**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 05 02:59:59 2007
Jan 05 06:02:50 <SkramX> there's no pricign out yet.. is there?
Jan 05 06:04:09 <whurley> I read that it was $350 for the hardware and development kit in Linux Magazine 
Jan 05 06:05:19 <SkramX> interesting ok
Jan 05 06:05:27 <whurley> that price also shows up on several other sites: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=openmoko+pricing&btnG=Google+Search
Jan 05 06:05:34 <SkramX> ok
Jan 05 06:05:44 <SkramX> i may be interested.. so cool
Jan 05 06:06:02 <SkramX> i hope the projec todes well regardless
Jan 05 06:06:03 <SkramX> brb
Jan 05 10:02:51 <sannes> hm, battery time of three hours? (http://www.cellphonebeat.com/entry/openmoko-the-open-linux-phone-with-gps/) Is that while calling or no powersaving features turned on or do I have to always bring a charger?
Jan 05 10:03:35 <koen> sannes: all the info is in openmoko.com
Jan 05 10:03:47 <koen> if something isn't there it doesn't exist :)
Jan 05 10:04:43 <mickeyl> you know it's funny
Jan 05 10:04:51 <mickeyl> specs *sigh*
Jan 05 10:05:31 <mickeyl> battery time is really a speculation at this point of time.
Jan 05 10:06:16 <buz> 3hours of talking is not great but would be enough for me
Jan 05 10:07:08 <buz> but 3 days of standby i want
Jan 05 10:07:15 <mickeyl> 3 days of standbye
Jan 05 10:07:24 <mickeyl> ok
Jan 05 10:07:24 <mickeyl> tough
Jan 05 10:07:29 <mickeyl> but that is a must, i agree
Jan 05 10:07:34 <hrw|work> mickeyl: 900mAh battery or more?
Jan 05 10:07:46 <mickeyl> 1200
Jan 05 10:07:46 <hrw|work> mickeyl: custom one or popular one?
Jan 05 10:08:19 <hrw|work> where popular means 'battery from popular cellphone brand'
Jan 05 10:08:19 <mickeyl> i only seen one battery yet
Jan 05 10:08:37 <mickeyl> which was labelled FIC
Jan 05 10:08:37 <mickeyl> no idea about exchangability
Jan 05 10:08:40 <hrw|work> ok
Jan 05 10:08:42 <hrw|work> time will show
Jan 05 10:08:59 <hrw|work> my SE 750i has 900mAh and there are 2200 mAh replacements
Jan 05 10:09:18 <mickeyl> 2200?
Jan 05 10:09:18 <mickeyl> crazy
Jan 05 10:09:18 <mickeyl> how heavy is that thing?
Jan 05 10:10:03 <mickeyl> and it still fits?
Jan 05 10:10:06 <koen> I had some questions about linux on the netbook pro because it has a lot of battery power
Jan 05 10:10:25 <koen> the oxfam novib people lacked chargers in africa :)
Jan 05 10:10:53 <mickeyl> heh. that's a good reason for optimizing power drain and maximizing batteries
Jan 05 10:11:06 <hrw|work> mickeyl: it still fit and I do not know how heavy it is
Jan 05 10:11:12 <koen> ~lart xios and psion
Jan 05 10:11:13 * apt keeps mailing xios and psion free America Online CDs until he drowns
Jan 05 10:11:28 <mickeyl> hrw|work: let me see that @ FOSDEM
Jan 05 10:11:42 <mickeyl> i need a stronger battery for my k800i
Jan 05 10:11:45 <mickeyl> with BT it drains in 3 days standbye
Jan 05 10:11:58 <mickeyl> ~spell standby
Jan 05 10:12:01 <apt> 'standby' may be spelled correctly
Jan 05 10:12:56 <hrw|work> mickeyl: 2400mAh even
Jan 05 10:13:03 <mickeyl> cool. what's the brand?
Jan 05 10:13:08 <buz> bomb in your pocket
Jan 05 10:13:38 <hrw|work> mickeyl: the common one: noname
Jan 05 10:13:54 <mickeyl> heh, ok, where did you buy it?
Jan 05 10:14:26 <hrw|work> mickeyl: MaxCell do 1900mAh
Jan 05 10:14:35 <hrw|work> mickeyl: allegro.pl, ebay etc sites
Jan 05 10:14:40 <mickeyl> hmm
Jan 05 10:14:48 * mickeyl checks how large the current battery in the k800i is
Jan 05 10:14:57 <buz> not sure if i would want to hold a 2000mah lithium battery next to my head
Jan 05 10:17:11 <mickeyl> grrr that cover sits so tight
Jan 05 10:17:31 <koen> mickeyl: how did the experiments with the lcd work out?
Jan 05 10:18:01 <mickeyl> *cough* fell asleep right after watching tv... the plan was to work 3 more hours
Jan 05 10:18:18 <mickeyl> setting up the board atm.
Jan 05 10:18:32 <koen> :D
Jan 05 10:19:14 <koen> so when I come back from the post office you are jumping up and down celebrating the coolness of you GUI?
Jan 05 10:19:30 <mickeyl> that's one option
Jan 05 10:19:34 <CM> :)
Jan 05 10:20:28 * sannes wants a variable profile .. if it is a lot of noise when I get a call I want a loud profile, if it is quiet not very loud .. that would be nice :)
Jan 05 10:20:49 <mickeyl> hmm interesting
Jan 05 10:21:04 <mickeyl> so we should keep the mic always one and measure the environmental noise level
Jan 05 10:21:14 <mickeyl> s/one/on/
Jan 05 10:21:15 <apt> mickeyl meant: so we should keep the mic always on and measure the environmental noise level
Jan 05 10:21:16 <sannes> mickeyl: not always, just when you need to make sound .. heh
Jan 05 10:21:18 <buz> wouldnt that suck a lot of battery
Jan 05 10:21:27 <buz> oh right
Jan 05 10:21:33 <buz> monitoring it when making noise is enough
Jan 05 10:22:06 <mickeyl> that's actually a _cool_ idea
Jan 05 10:22:10 <mickeyl> why is no one doing that yet?
Jan 05 10:22:27 <sannes> don't know, that is one of the things I'm going to implement if no-one else does it .. heh
Jan 05 10:22:55 <buz> so simple really
Jan 05 10:22:56 <sannes> should I put this on a webpage so that it doesn't get patented? :P (I saw a page somewhere full of obvious ideas, got me thinking)
Jan 05 10:24:14 <sannes> another thing I want is to take into account that the phone is charing, because on the phone I have now (nokia 5210e) it doesn't vibrate when charing so it really should switch to something more noisy then. . heh :)
Jan 05 10:24:35 <sannes> s/charing/charging/
Jan 05 10:24:35 <apt> sannes meant: another thing I want is to take into account that the phone is charging, because on the phone I have now (nokia 5210e) it doesn't vibrate when charing so it really should switch to something more noisy then. . heh :)
Jan 05 10:24:53 <buz> sannes: i agree
Jan 05 10:25:03 <buz> it annoys the hell out of me that the p900 goes into stealth mode when i charge it
Jan 05 10:25:30 <buz> usually i always have it on vibra
Jan 05 10:25:35 <sannes> same here
Jan 05 10:25:58 <buz> oh and calling the phone to tell it should make noise would be useful for finding the damn thin
Jan 05 10:26:01 <sannes> missed alot of calls because of it..
Jan 05 10:27:21 <mickeyl> d'oh, finally got that damn battery cover off. it's 950mAh in my k800i. i need mooore
Jan 05 10:40:52 <koen> re
Jan 05 14:01:43 <mjr> by the way, there was some NTP talk before
Jan 05 14:01:55 <mjr> but bollocks to that, doesn't GPS transmit rather accurate times?
Jan 05 14:02:56 <so_solid_moo> iirc it does, but does that info come out of the gpsd?
Jan 05 14:03:48 <mjr> well, if it doesn't, we'll get one more argument why closed programs are bad :]
Jan 05 14:03:52 <so_solid_moo> :)
Jan 05 14:07:18 <sannes> just can't lose :)
Jan 05 14:12:51 <mjr> anyway, considering that, wouldn't be surprised if all Mokos were on time, always
Jan 05 14:12:54 <mjr> which would be nice
Jan 05 14:19:53 <koen> mickey|bbl: started jumping up and down already?
Jan 05 14:24:21 <sannes> hm, atleast if fic get the gps working, they have no excuse for not releasing any information in january :)
Jan 05 14:37:17 <CM> Yeah, we're all dying for some more info here! :)
Jan 05 14:41:49 <Stephmw> Wooohoo! I'm error-free for the first time in 5 months!
Jan 05 14:41:54 <Stephmw>  ...what are the bets on how long that state will last? 5mins? 10? 30?
Jan 05 16:42:44 <buz> why is openmoko using the funambol stack as opposed to opensync?
Jan 05 17:08:46 <silen> greetings all
Jan 05 17:12:16 <silen> what frequency bands will it operate on?
Jan 05 17:15:50 <greentux> see topic -> website -> press release
Jan 05 19:23:59 <koen> mickey|bbl: have a look at https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=229207
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