**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 13 02:59:57 2007 Jan 13 06:53:46 | INTERNAL ERROR: architecture armv5te for pkg figment-locale-de is unsupported. Jan 13 06:53:50 grumble grumble Jan 13 06:55:24 uhh, why armv5te? Jan 13 06:55:25 MACHINE = "qemux86" Jan 13 07:08:41 umm.. anybody else have trouble accessing www.openmoko.com ? Jan 13 07:11:40 I can't load it Jan 13 09:56:20 gooood moooorning everyone! Jan 13 09:56:21 :) Jan 13 10:00:10 good morning back :-) Jan 13 10:36:36 anyone working on fixing the m/l archive server? Jan 13 10:49:33 dagb: http://lists.openmoko.org works fine over here Jan 13 10:50:10 koen: even after a force-refresh? Jan 13 10:50:29 koen: I get a 500 as well Jan 13 10:50:47 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/ Jan 13 10:51:05 koen: ok, that works. thanks. Jan 13 10:52:40 i signed up to both mailing lists a week ago and got the automatic response, but haven't received any mail, is the mailing list not very active? Jan 13 11:01:01 I have the same problems ... but the with the link it works again :-) Jan 13 11:04:33 koen: thanks. the links on the openmoko.com frontpage are broken. Maybe add a redirect on lists.openmoko.org while the openmoko.com site points into the void? Jan 13 11:04:52 dagb: you'd have to talk to LaF0rge about that Jan 13 11:04:52 Psi: Looks to me that there has been lots of e-mail the last week .. Jan 13 11:05:18 koen: I'll let him read the log.... Jan 13 11:10:35 * xkr47 would like to subscribe, where to did you send email? community-subscribe@lists.openmoko.org ? Jan 13 11:10:49 or maybe -request Jan 13 11:11:02 the mailman web interface doesn't work as you already declared :P Jan 13 11:11:15 so.. does anybody remember how they subscribed :) Jan 13 11:23:43 xkr47: I subscribed via the web interface. Jan 13 11:26:06 :P Jan 13 11:26:27 I sent a "help" mail to community-request@lists.openmoko.org but no response yet Jan 13 11:52:31 ? Jan 13 11:55:34 working again Jan 13 11:55:51 LaF0rge: yes, thanks. Jan 13 11:57:25 LaF0rge: is it possible to get the uncompressed audio data stream from the gsm module? Jan 13 11:57:33 to record small files instead of pcm-decompressed ones Jan 13 11:58:29 thx! Jan 13 11:59:25 xor: the audio path is analog Jan 13 12:00:33 a shame... but can one at least get an a/d recording of the conversation via the audio chip? Jan 13 12:02:32 yes Jan 13 12:05:54 LaF0rge: can you handle Sean's hotel? I'm a under etreme time pressure atm. Jan 13 12:05:57 morning, btw. Jan 13 12:06:02 extreme, that is Jan 13 12:11:10 mickeyl: did he send an email? Jan 13 12:11:14 yeah Jan 13 12:11:51 ok, will do Jan 13 12:11:53 thanks Jan 13 12:12:06 i don't need to bring anything with me or do I? Jan 13 12:12:09 (board-wise) Jan 13 12:12:13 * xkr47 hopes mickeyl survives the pressure Jan 13 12:12:17 thanks xkr47 Jan 13 12:13:07 going to move to a new appartement in april, have to work out a contract for a project, have to prepare for thesis defense Jan 13 12:13:08 *sigh* Jan 13 12:13:15 + openmoko Jan 13 12:13:17 (of course) Jan 13 12:13:25 :P Jan 13 12:17:25 wb Jan 13 13:30:08 the gsm module as no digital audio interface? or is it to complex to use it? Jan 13 14:23:50 just received this via mail: http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=neo1973vsp900oh9.png Jan 13 14:35:18 :O Jan 13 14:35:39 what is p900 ?-) Jan 13 14:35:47 ericssony Jan 13 14:35:53 k Jan 13 14:36:07 * so_solid_moo will be upgrading to the Neo from P800 :D Jan 13 14:36:12 :) Jan 13 14:37:09 * xkr47 will be upgrading to the Neo from Nokia 5210 :DD http://www.nokia.com/EUROPE_NOKIA_COM_3/r2/pics/phones/phone_models/5210_mainpage_s1.jpg Jan 13 14:38:01 * thresh_ has no mobile Jan 13 14:39:23 thresh_ will be upgrading from http://www.telephonelines.net/collecters_photos/6200.jpg Jan 13 14:39:25 ;) Jan 13 14:52:14 * yacc plans to kill his 9500 when the time comes. Sucky Nokia site, no jpg, just a flash of the phone ;( Jan 13 14:58:51 my n-gage dies before few days, its time to buy neo :) Jan 13 15:02:51 completely offtopic: is hula now dead? Jan 13 15:05:03 who is hula? Jan 13 15:05:27 mitsuhiko: I heard that they are going to move hula from novell to gna! or berlios Jan 13 15:05:41 xorAxAx: the novell email web thingy Jan 13 15:06:28 xorAxAx: that ex novell thing Jan 13 15:06:30 +y Jan 13 15:06:36 mitsuhiko: if you want an answer to that, come to #hula on irc.gimp.net at 20h GMT Jan 13 15:06:39 before the whore moved over to redmond Jan 13 15:06:41 it was on http://planet.hula-project.org/ yesterday Jan 13 15:07:00 so_solid_moo: darn. i will be offline at that time Jan 13 15:07:02 but i'll log it Jan 13 15:07:07 mitsuhiko: basically, the project isn't dead, no Jan 13 15:07:17 so_solid_moo: that's good news Jan 13 15:07:47 the builds i tried looked pretty nice (aside from the admin panel) Jan 13 15:07:52 in fact, w/o novell, we might actually do a release... Jan 13 15:08:02 yeah, webadmin was taken out and shot. Jan 13 15:08:44 hoooray Jan 13 15:13:40 so_solid_moo: is hula-project.org down? Jan 13 15:14:00 it wouldn't surprise me Jan 13 15:14:04 it's been unreliable recently :( Jan 13 15:18:28 so_solid_moo: yeah. looks like it's awfully slow Jan 13 15:23:05 haha Cisco lost its iPhone trademark Jan 13 15:23:47 too funny Jan 13 15:24:02 url? Jan 13 15:24:41 nm, ./ Jan 13 15:24:49 quants: What is funny about that? Jan 13 15:25:14 they made such a thing of it Jan 13 15:25:39 quants: It would be funny if one could associate Apple with the "good" side, but they are clearly at least shady ;) Jan 13 15:25:46 it's not really funny Jan 13 15:26:15 greed is always funny Jan 13 15:27:04 i hate apple for being proud of their fucking patents Jan 13 15:29:49 I thought it was some kind of PR scam in order to stay on the front-pages for some time - Cisco ./. Apple is always good for a headline Jan 13 15:39:40 that p900 overlay is nifty Jan 13 15:40:00 pity the neo doesnt have 3" display Jan 13 15:51:52 hi guys, hope it's not offtopic, but i would like to ask you, how does it look with openmoko phone... Jan 13 15:52:03 I mean release date, ... Jan 13 15:52:14 any new information? any urls? Jan 13 15:53:32 see topic Jan 13 15:55:23 that means, it will be available in february? Jan 13 15:56:02 do you need to be a developer for early access? Jan 13 15:56:12 to speak about those sites in topic, I visited all of them, but there is not much information Jan 13 18:30:46 and thusly silence Jan 13 18:32:54 * Melkman wonders if there is preliminary documentation available for the Neo1973... Jan 13 18:55:28 there isnt Jan 13 18:59:31 roll on february Jan 13 18:59:51 http://syslog.movial.fi/archives/42-Cairo-performance-on-small-devices.html Jan 13 19:00:32 oh, cairo. Jan 13 19:00:46 * thresh_ still remembers how cairo tries to render itself on a remote X. Jan 13 19:02:48 i wonder if openmoko's screen can be hacked to multi touch Jan 13 19:03:28 doubtful Jan 13 19:03:49 i wonder what the raw data input from the touch screen is Jan 13 19:03:54 is it a bitmap container pressure points Jan 13 19:03:59 or just a mouse Jan 13 19:09:07 it's a stream of x,y,pressure values Jan 13 19:09:17 the hardware isn't multitouch capable Jan 13 19:11:31 ahhh Jan 13 19:11:56 i wonder what it'd do if i pushed the screen in two places Jan 13 19:12:02 give me the average? Jan 13 19:12:59 that's what I've found to be the usual case, but dunno about the Neo Jan 13 20:57:06 http://joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyimages/910.gif Jan 13 21:50:27 decadent Jan 13 21:51:35 I can't believe all of the "OMG! It's bullshit." crap flowing about the iPhone Jan 13 21:56:08 since people can't modify the softs on Apple's new phone they should have called it "podphone" as in "podpeople" Jan 13 21:57:28 quants: running rockbox on the ipod is fine :) Jan 13 21:58:20 xorAxAx: I think they went thataway >>>> Jan 13 22:15:44 hi koen Jan 13 22:16:03 hey greentux Jan 13 22:18:10 * LaF0rge shouts hurray! I finally managed to trick that stupid s3c2410 steppingstone into booting something from RAM, rather than flash. Jan 13 22:18:31 LaF0rge: congrats Jan 13 22:18:32 one beer for LaF0rge ... Jan 13 22:18:48 LaF0rge: btw are you at fosdem or not, finally. Jan 13 22:18:52 LaF0rge: and I hope you'll find some time to have fun during the code sprint tomorrow Jan 13 22:19:04 greentux: no, will not be there, mainly because of time constraints Jan 13 22:19:50 koen: well, that will likely be higher-level problems. I'm currently working on getting everything to work with our 'up to 80 blocks bad, only the first block guaratneed good' nand flash Jan 13 22:20:16 LaF0rge: ok, heard something about program jury trouble ... Jan 13 22:20:30 LaF0rge: first block is 64kB? Jan 13 22:20:53 koen: 16k Jan 13 22:20:57 jffs2 cant handle that? :) Jan 13 22:21:27 xorAxAx: the bootloader doesn't use jffs2 Jan 13 22:21:31 xor: jffs2 can. but u-boot not very well. e.g. it expects the environment to be in a compile-time-defined block of nand. Jan 13 22:21:49 hmm, and where does u-boot reside? Jan 13 22:21:55 xor: in NAND ;) Jan 13 22:22:01 ok :) Jan 13 22:22:08 no other spi flash? :) Jan 13 22:22:22 xor: no other flash. boot directly from nand. no nor, no spi. Jan 13 22:22:43 and what if the flash block with u-boot dies? :) Jan 13 22:22:49 no maskrom to boot from uart? Jan 13 22:22:50 xor: exactly! Jan 13 22:22:58 koen: no maskrom to boot from uart. Jan 13 22:23:03 my ep93xx board have that, pretty neat Jan 13 22:23:07 koen: i thought you know the s3c2410 ;) Jan 13 22:23:45 I tend to confuse all those arm920t cpus Jan 13 22:23:57 LaF0rge: now you know how they pull in sales Jan 13 22:25:06 LaF0rge: there's always jtag to push a few kB of asm to load nand into memory Jan 13 22:27:44 one shouldn't need to reboot the neo that often :) Jan 13 22:28:06 * koen wonders how uboot deals with nand bitflipping Jan 13 22:28:13 probably via the ECC Jan 13 22:29:58 hmm, how about reed-solomon interweaved with self-modifying code? :) Jan 13 22:31:32 Stephmw: wb Jan 13 22:31:42 cheers :) Jan 13 22:56:10 http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=196802785&subSection=All+Stories Jan 13 22:58:04 seems like it might be that both openmoko and iphone are running samsung processors Jan 13 22:59:07 SO WE CAN RUN OS X ON NEO!?!?!!!111one Jan 13 22:59:15 * Tv runs Jan 13 22:59:45 Tv: yes, on qemu Jan 13 23:00:44 lol Jan 13 23:27:43 I found a module in the source tree that has no .config line, but I need a .ko for? How do I install it? Jan 13 23:44:46 * xkr47 reads the samsung s3c2410a user's manual ;) Jan 13 23:45:53 * xkr47 wonders which bit depths the X server will support on moko Jan 13 23:46:53 most likely only 16bit Jan 13 23:47:26 although 18bit would be nice since the lcd supports that Jan 13 23:47:40 well.. the lcd controller supports 24bit so.. Jan 13 23:48:50 does the tft screen support emulation modes like 320x240 ? Jan 13 23:48:53 yeah, but that cuts your bandwidth in half Jan 13 23:49:25 mm.. well still pictures look better in 32bit but action could maybe even use the 8-bit mode Jan 13 23:49:29 .. like games Jan 13 23:50:31 it does seem to have a fake 18bit mode where the the lsb is the same for all colors Jan 13 23:50:38 (the samsung cpu I mean) Jan 13 23:50:56 I wonder if kdrive supports 18bit Jan 13 23:51:27 wonder how this 5:5:5:1 mode actually looks Jan 13 23:51:51 guess there is some reason they put it in next to the 5:6:5 mode Jan 13 23:55:17 will the display & touchscreen be controllable from userspace ? Jan 13 23:55:33 how do you mean? Jan 13 23:55:49 will X do the decision whether the touchpad & screen light is on ? Jan 13 23:56:57 maybe through /proc or /sys Jan 13 23:57:53 nice, the samsung has a watchdog timer built-in Jan 13 23:59:38 did moko have the 200 or 266MHz version (or something else) of the samsung cpu ? Jan 14 00:00:31 266, according to Sean Jan 14 00:00:40 hmm.. "operating temperature 0°C to 70°C" for commercial model.. better keep it in the pocket in winter :) Jan 14 00:00:56 or then run seti@home on it ;) Jan 14 00:01:06 mjr, ok Jan 14 00:05:02 does the cpu support adjusting the operating frequency online ? Jan 14 00:07:37 there seems to be some "slow mode" and "idle mode" Jan 14 00:10:04 is there any coprocessor installed ? Jan 14 00:18:57 i thought seti is dead Jan 14 00:23:00 sorry, I meant some cpu-hogging software in general, kindof like google means to search the web Jan 14 00:23:03 :) Jan 14 00:42:13 irony - a 24-bit lcd controller and not 24-bit frame buffer Jan 14 00:42:19 (most lcd monitors are 18-bit :P ) Jan 14 02:55:55 Will the Neo do video Jan 14 02:57:20 its got a 640x480 color display and runs linux, what do you think? :P Jan 14 02:57:44 unless you mean videocalling, in which case, i dunno **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jan 14 02:59:57 2007