**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 14 02:59:57 2007 Feb 14 03:00:46 well basically you have a "Common lite" profile (which doesn't support fp) and a "Common" (which do) Feb 14 04:13:49 counter Feb 14 04:13:49 source: a day 07:13:06 (0.301 - 1.301 days); P0: 9.301 - 15.301; P1: 31.301 - 46.301; P2: 199.301 - 229.301 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (305) Feb 14 04:13:58 added lower limits Feb 14 04:16:18 (based on http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-February/000003.html and http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-February/000337.html Feb 14 04:16:21 ) Feb 14 04:28:51 just don't lay any other plans for tomorrow night. you know you're gonna hack on the source :) Feb 14 04:29:03 aevin: hehe Feb 14 04:29:52 that mail, about +5 hours (if lunchtime is 11:00 AM) Feb 14 04:30:41 ah, i hadn't read that one before. Feb 14 04:33:31 i better get some sleep or else i won't last long tomorrow. *zZzZ* Feb 14 05:17:19 quit Feb 14 05:18:42 just wondering... where is the core team located ? taiwan ? mainland ? Feb 14 05:19:21 they're distributed Feb 14 05:19:50 anybody in beijing ? ;) Feb 14 05:20:28 not that I know of Feb 14 05:21:20 niff Feb 14 05:21:26 eheh Feb 14 06:01:15 moin Feb 14 06:02:16 morning Feb 14 06:33:41 We now have a second developer working on MokoSlug: (http://blog.hentges.net/?p=93) Feb 14 06:40:43 counter Feb 14 06:40:44 source: a day 04:46:10 (0.099 - 1.199 days); P0: 9.199 - 15.199; P1: 31.199 - 46.199; P2: 199.199 - 229.199 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (306) Feb 14 06:47:04 cool Feb 14 06:58:51 counter Feb 14 06:58:51 source: a day 04:28:03 (0.086 - 1.186 days); P0: 9.186 - 15.186; P1: 31.186 - 46.186; P2: 199.186 - 229.186 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (307) Feb 14 07:17:43 Interesting companion device for a Neo: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4837503255.html Feb 14 07:24:37 rwhitby, but it needs a powered usb port, isn't it ? Feb 14 07:25:42 what could be fun is to build a little usb-hub 1 port, powered by a lithium battery :P Feb 14 07:26:01 then plug any kind of device onto Feb 14 07:29:33 robtaylor, mickey|zzZZzz: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-February/000360.html Feb 14 07:44:18 have you contacted Opera and ask them if they will maybe provide a version of their browser for the OpenMoko ? Feb 14 07:45:26 I contacted them before with a similar request Feb 14 07:45:39 "thank you for your enquiry, we will get back to you soon" Feb 14 07:45:49 that was a few months ago Feb 14 07:45:55 aha Feb 14 07:46:06 maybe they thought that their phone version is enough ? :) Feb 14 07:46:39 it wasn't for a phone Feb 14 07:47:18 why not use minimo ? Feb 14 07:48:20 <_-InFeRnO-_> still no svn access Feb 14 07:48:31 <_-InFeRnO-_> counter Feb 14 07:48:31 source: a day 03:38:23 (0.052 - 1.152 days); P0: 9.152 - 15.152; P1: 31.152 - 46.152; P2: 199.152 - 229.152 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (308) Feb 14 07:48:50 inferno, i think the release is planned for today at noon (GMT + 1) Feb 14 07:49:37 <_-InFeRnO-_> 10x Feb 14 07:52:35 aesci7E: because minimo sucks hard? Feb 14 07:52:55 aesci7E: no, pesky users demanded opera, so I thought I'd try to arrange it Feb 14 07:53:01 koen: that is the usual opera answer Feb 14 07:54:33 that company has an amazing arrogance regarding open projects Feb 14 07:55:25 koen, okay ^^ Feb 14 08:03:27 Eblis: compile JavaME and let the Java opera run? Feb 14 08:03:31 http://operawatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/acid2.opera.mobile.gif Feb 14 08:04:22 zecke: no, you can't just compile java Feb 14 08:04:26 :) Feb 14 08:04:45 zecke: you have to write 30 emails, open a gforge project 3 times and let others do it in the end Feb 14 08:06:29 in the butt? Feb 14 08:13:48 koen: hehe Feb 14 08:17:40 * koen discovers yet another bug in ipkg Feb 14 08:18:09 koen: no prizes, sorry... ;) Feb 14 08:18:26 'ipkg upgrade' doesn't compare versions properly Feb 14 08:18:37 * koen adds back '-m' to the ipkg-make-index script Feb 14 08:18:52 no I *finally* can get a decent backtrace in gdb Feb 14 08:21:29 s/no/now/ Feb 14 08:21:29 koen meant: now I *finally* can get a decent backtrace in gdb Feb 14 08:23:26 Wow, that's a useless feature. Feb 14 08:23:32 s/useless/cute/ Feb 14 08:23:34 daxxar meant: Wow, that's a cute feature. Feb 14 08:49:44 counter Feb 14 08:49:44 source: a day 02:37:09 (0.009 - 1.109 days); P0: 9.109 - 15.109; P1: 31.109 - 46.109; P2: 199.109 - 229.109 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (309) Feb 14 08:51:19 hi, does anyone know if there is a AT Command to retrieve the money left on a prepaid card ?? Feb 14 08:52:11 counter Feb 14 08:52:11 source: a day 02:34:42 (0.007 - 1.107 days); P0: 9.107 - 15.107; P1: 31.107 - 46.107; P2: 199.107 - 229.107 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (310) Feb 14 08:55:34 ok, that's the final drop Feb 14 08:55:50 * koen deletes "setting up OE" instructions from the linuxtogo wiki Feb 14 08:56:16 It doesn't help copying http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted verbatim into another wiki Feb 14 08:58:01 wow Feb 14 08:58:07 new css for lists.openmoko.org Feb 14 09:04:33 hmmm, only on some messages Feb 14 09:04:34 weird Feb 14 09:05:20 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/ <- new css Feb 14 09:05:33 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/ <- old css Feb 14 09:06:06 oooh Feb 14 09:06:09 * koen discovers http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/webdesign-commitlog/2007-February/thread.html Feb 14 09:06:31 good morning people Feb 14 09:06:36 hey fluffs Feb 14 09:10:32 counter Feb 14 09:10:33 source: a day 02:16:21 (-0.005 - 1.095 days); P0: 9.095 - 15.095; P1: 31.095 - 46.095; P2: 199.095 - 229.095 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (311) Feb 14 09:11:53 any time now I guess, counting negative for source lower limit ;-) Feb 14 09:18:18 *shrug* they are using HTML 3.2 on the mail archives now Feb 14 09:18:40 I heard html 2.0 is all the rage now Feb 14 09:21:59 Well at least html 2.0 is an IETF standard. Feb 14 09:26:21 morricone: they use doctype from 3.2 Feb 14 09:26:30 which is not a bug Feb 14 09:26:52 page is nice done - formating via css is proper way Feb 14 09:28:02 that's true Feb 14 09:34:04 it's nice to see they are taking the theme seriously Feb 14 09:36:59 I can hear the websquad crying over gforge theming Feb 14 09:37:45 hrw: if harald is right, we might get our neo's before fosdem Feb 14 09:40:30 hey Stephmw Feb 14 09:41:35 Morning people. Feb 14 09:41:37 wowsers Feb 14 09:41:39 /last arald Feb 14 09:41:41 oops Feb 14 09:43:37 aloril: the lower limit was the plain touching down in NY? Feb 14 09:48:17 any news? still no source? Feb 14 09:48:40 * koen checks Feb 14 09:48:44 nope, still no source Feb 14 09:50:19 where will the source be? svn.openmoko.com? Feb 14 09:50:43 svnweb.openmoko.org will be a lot easier to browse Feb 14 09:51:57 koen: ah, thanks :) Feb 14 09:56:26 koen: lower limit is based on http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-February/000337.html Feb 14 09:56:49 ah, forgot about that mail Feb 14 09:57:02 * koen offers LaF0rge some food Feb 14 09:57:57 ah, wednesday around lunchtime gmt+1.. that's right about now ;) Feb 14 09:58:31 I am getting hungry Feb 14 09:58:38 but that's because I skipped breakfast Feb 14 10:00:09 you know "geek lunchtime"? Feb 14 10:00:57 that's around 17:00, right? Feb 14 10:02:07 yes that sounds right :) Feb 14 10:02:11 depends, if you have had breakfest it's around 23:00 Feb 14 10:03:16 glad to see my office isn't the only one like that Feb 14 10:03:33 not uncommon to hear 'hey guys, want to get some lunch?' as the sun sets Feb 14 10:07:39 * SpeedEvil jumps up and down. Speedevil will have neo money by 'late march'. Feb 14 10:07:42 :) Feb 14 10:08:48 counter Feb 14 10:08:59 source: a day 01:18:04 (-0.046 - 1.054 days); P0: 9.054 - 15.054; P1: 31.054 - 46.054; P2: 199.054 - 229.054 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (312) Feb 14 10:09:06 * fluffs picked up breakfast on the way to work Feb 14 10:14:19 counter? Feb 14 10:14:20 a day 01:12:33 (-0.050 - 1.050 days) for source for *all* developers (2007-02-14); 2 weeks, a day (9.050 - 15.050 days) for devices for selected developers (2007-02-28); a month, 2 weeks, a day (31.050 - 46.050 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-03-31); 7 months, 2 weeks, a day (199.050 - 229.050 days) for mass market (2007-09-30): see topic for more info (313) Feb 14 10:15:08 oh, the device availability for developers was moved back two weeks? Feb 14 10:15:48 does the new openmoko web (wiki, etc.) launch at the same time source is released? Feb 14 10:15:54 yes Feb 14 10:16:10 el coolio, thanks Feb 14 10:16:13 Hadaka: atleast thats what coreteam told Feb 14 10:18:34 Hadaka: counter has both upper and lower limits now, though lower limit is displayed only as part of days range Feb 14 10:19:30 ah, so it does Feb 14 10:19:47 so source could be out already! I'll have to check every 5 seconds then ;) Feb 14 10:20:13 Hadaka: hehe, yeah it can be out anytime Feb 14 10:53:48 are we there yet? Feb 14 11:03:24 * koen starts making lunch in GMT +1 Feb 14 11:26:53 counter Feb 14 11:26:53 source: a day 00:00:00 (-0.100 - 1.000 days); P0: 9.000 - 15.000; P1: 31.000 - 46.000; P2: 199.000 - 229.000 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (314) Feb 14 11:27:48 counter Feb 14 11:27:49 source: 23:59:04 (-0.101 - 0.999 days); P0: 8.999 - 14.999; P1: 30.999 - 45.999; P2: 198.999 - 228.999 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (315) Feb 14 11:32:40 counter Feb 14 11:32:40 source: 23:54:12 (-0.104 - 0.996 days); P0: 8.996 - 14.996; P1: 30.996 - 45.996; P2: 198.996 - 228.996 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (316) Feb 14 11:32:57 * LuitvD hopes to see the source today :0 Feb 14 11:34:37 hmm, on the extended counter, it says "for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers)" ... Feb 14 11:34:54 does that mean everybody can order one by that time?? Feb 14 11:35:00 yes Feb 14 11:35:08 (in a month and 2 weeks) Feb 14 11:35:11 but you don't get to complain about the bugs :) Feb 14 11:35:25 heheh, I won't :) I'll try to fix them Feb 14 11:35:39 sounds like you're a developer then Feb 14 11:35:59 koen: you lucky basterd... you'll get yours a month earlyer Feb 14 11:36:26 rwhitby: no, I'm just a newbe hacker :) Feb 14 11:36:40 same thing Feb 14 11:36:45 heh Feb 14 11:36:51 not exactly Feb 14 11:37:23 I think my hacks are just temporary (slow) changes that do work... but actually don't :P Feb 14 11:38:11 If I fix something, it works... but not exactly in a nice way :) Feb 14 11:38:44 don't worry, that's how koen describes my work too Feb 14 11:39:06 * koen isn't even a proper developer Feb 14 11:39:17 :P Feb 14 11:39:31 but I commit it anyway :-) Feb 14 11:39:59 plus, I'm only 17, and have just enough knowledge of linux to keep my desktop computer running :P Feb 14 11:40:26 I can't even get my Palm PDA to run linux in a stable manner Feb 14 11:40:35 :P Feb 14 11:40:56 (not that it's easy to get a Tungsten E2 to run linux...) Feb 14 11:41:50 koen - So what are you? Feb 14 11:42:10 Elrond: I'm more like an integrator Feb 14 11:42:17 reusing other peoples work Feb 14 11:42:20 koen: don't tell me you are no developer.. you're in the OE core team :P Feb 14 11:42:57 koen: isn't 'reusing other peoples work' the main idea of 'open source software' ? Feb 14 11:43:12 tihi ;) Feb 14 11:43:18 LuitvD: no, NIH is Feb 14 11:43:28 koen makes "complaining about other peoples work" an artform ;-) Feb 14 11:43:33 lol Feb 14 11:43:37 koen: NIH? Feb 14 11:43:41 rwhitby - *giggle* Feb 14 11:43:46 Not Invented Here Feb 14 11:43:46 is it released yet? Feb 14 11:43:48 LuitvD - NIH==not invented here. Feb 14 11:43:54 ... don't get me started on NIH. Feb 14 11:44:29 fluffs - wiki at least not. Feb 14 11:45:04 counter Feb 14 11:45:05 source: 23:41:48 (-0.113 - 0.987 days); P0: 8.987 - 14.987; P1: 30.987 - 45.987; P2: 198.987 - 228.987 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (317) Feb 14 11:45:24 * rwhitby believes a good developer is one who can get lots of other people to do the work for them. Feb 14 11:45:25 so openmoko still isn't FOSS Feb 14 11:46:08 LuitvD: have you read the cathedral and bazaar? Feb 14 11:46:19 there is a right time and a wrong time to release the first source Feb 14 11:46:31 yeah, i know Feb 14 11:46:53 and that choice is up to the authors, not the people waiting to use it. Feb 14 11:47:07 the source was viewable a while ago Feb 14 11:47:13 a small error in .htaccess Feb 14 11:47:18 lol Feb 14 11:47:39 rwhitby - Well, they could start by opening the wiki for example. Feb 14 11:47:51 s/start/continue/ Feb 14 11:47:51 Elrond meant: rwhitby - Well, they could continue by opening the wiki for example. Feb 14 11:47:56 koen: can't you force an error like that now? Feb 14 11:48:02 :) Feb 14 11:48:04 koen: so that fact that you're hoarding it means that you agree with not releasing it until they are ready to do so :-) Feb 14 11:49:06 I want this man-page: http://burningsmell.org/man_overboard.png Feb 14 11:49:07 :) Feb 14 11:49:09 I fully agree with their decisions on the source, yes. Feb 14 11:51:57 Anyone here listen Scott Sigler podcast novels? The anticipation here is just like his "junkies" waiting for their next episode ... Feb 14 11:52:25 * koen is waiting for Robert Jordan to finish part 12 Feb 14 11:54:26 * koen has finished his lunch in GMT +1 Feb 14 11:55:38 * Robot101 breaths in GMT Feb 14 11:55:55 hmmmm Feb 14 11:55:55 rwhitby - hehe, yeah. ;) Feb 14 11:56:04 we'd better download the source and stuff before slashdot and digg hit Feb 14 11:56:41 koen: I'll just wait for your mtn sync to finish ... Feb 14 11:57:26 koen - I'll happily wait for the slashdot being over. :) Feb 14 12:05:14 my phone bill: 4,12€ for 6.5 months Feb 14 12:05:50 somehow i'm guessing that my mno wouldn't be too pissed if an open phone platform would inrease my gprs usage Feb 14 12:08:05 jannu: €4 in half a year is not much... Feb 14 12:08:38 LuitvD: exactly. I bet customers like me are not exactly profitable Feb 14 12:08:58 jannu: i'm exactly the same Feb 14 12:09:40 ~change 4 âB¬ to eur Feb 14 12:09:45 4.00 Dollar (ZWN) makes 0.0122328 Euro (EUR) (from http://www.xe.com/) Feb 14 12:09:59 ~change 4 eur to usd Feb 14 12:10:03 4.00 Euro (EUR) makes 5.23250 United States Dollar (USD) (from http://www.xe.com/) Feb 14 12:10:07 ... Feb 14 12:10:08 hmm Feb 14 12:10:41 Elrond: what currency is äB¬? :P Feb 14 12:10:45 LuitvD: mind you, I got 14.10 euros rebate for my calls Feb 14 12:11:04 jannu - hihi ;) Feb 14 12:11:30 jannu: I recieved 15 euro's prepaid for 5 euro's :P Feb 14 12:12:04 beat that :P Feb 14 12:12:05 LuitvD - Whatever jannu used there. ;) I used cut'n'pasted it. ;) Feb 14 12:12:36 ah, the euro sign ;P Feb 14 12:12:38 and that rebate doesn't apply to gprs or 3g data, so I'd say that my MNO will be pretty happy about any development which might result in me using more data services Feb 14 12:13:16 jannu: you think you can use 3g, but you don't mention EDGE? :P Feb 14 12:13:16 Hmm, strange. my terminal must be more broken than I thought. ;) Feb 14 12:13:40 Elrond: wrong charset? :P Feb 14 12:13:55 LuitvD: well, that too. they all costs the same Feb 14 12:14:09 LuitvD - Better not ask. ;) Feb 14 12:14:16 :P Feb 14 12:14:55 jannu - the neo can't do edge (and 3g, I think) Feb 14 12:15:03 so.. the source will most likely be released between now and 24 hours Feb 14 12:15:11 the neo can do EDGE! Feb 14 12:15:15 actually, they gave me more money on dividends from shares than I paid to them as phone bills Feb 14 12:15:16 i think... Feb 14 12:15:19 I read... Feb 14 12:15:21 LuitvD - No. Feb 14 12:15:33 I doubt it can't Feb 14 12:15:49 only gprs, not edge Feb 14 12:16:07 Elrond: no, but for me the main obstacle for using data services ahs never been bandwidth Feb 14 12:16:08 ah wait :P 2,5G Feb 14 12:16:20 thought 2.5G included EDGE Feb 14 12:16:30 no, edge is 2.75g Feb 14 12:16:36 yay for confusing terms Feb 14 12:16:39 lol Feb 14 12:16:46 from http://www.openmoko.com/press/index.html : Ti GPRS (2.5G not EDGE) Feb 14 12:16:51 Elrond: but rather the fact that current data services here in Finland are completely useless Feb 14 12:17:03 I read somewhere that china or japan... will just stip 3G and start to use 4G :P Feb 14 12:17:13 aloril: looking at that too :P Feb 14 12:17:28 LuitvD: though that page is a bit outdated, no mention of bluetooth Feb 14 12:17:45 aloril: so bluetooth will be implemented after all? Feb 14 12:17:54 Elrond: which is something that clever applications on openmoko might change Feb 14 12:18:02 Elrond: or, at least i hope so Feb 14 12:18:19 read seans mail to announce Feb 14 12:18:24 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-January/000000.html is more up to date Feb 14 12:18:40 "January's announcement bought us more time to fix some hardware issues Feb 14 12:18:40 still plaguing us. We also modified the position of the bluetooth module Feb 14 12:18:40 to make way for a JTAG port (we're trying our best to be hacker Feb 14 12:18:40 friendly). This required our vendor to design a special FPC to connect Feb 14 12:18:40 the module to our board. Something on the order of 3 weeks would be Feb 14 12:18:41 required to complete this "simple" task." Feb 14 12:19:35 hmmmmm, JTAG :) Feb 14 12:19:50 some of my microchips can do jtag :) Feb 14 12:20:45 above quote by koen is from http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-February/000003.html Feb 14 12:20:58 it features BT2.0 and it still has USB1.1? Feb 14 12:21:04 why not usb2.0? Feb 14 12:22:10 SoC doesn't support it (AFAIC) Feb 14 12:23:42 does it really need twice as much RAM as Flash? Feb 14 12:24:29 LuitvD: That's good, there's plenty of room for programs on the micro sd :) Feb 14 12:24:36 aloril: s3c2410 only has usb1.1 device and host Feb 14 12:25:12 CM: :( now I'll have to buy me a microSD card... Feb 14 12:25:41 LuitvD - microsd is cheap. Feb 14 12:25:48 LuitvD: 64mb isn't that small anyway Feb 14 12:26:09 LuitvD - Unless you reboot, you can put programs in RAM too. :) Feb 14 12:26:11 Elrond: i know, but I already own 2 SD cards (1GB for my PDA and 2GB for my camera...) Feb 14 12:26:47 Elrond: well... luckily there's no need to mount any swap :P Feb 14 12:27:52 I hope openmoko does have some energy-efficient sleep-state... Feb 14 12:27:55 the neo will have miniSD cards right? Feb 14 12:28:06 ecraven: at least up to 2GB Feb 14 12:28:19 512MB micro SD card in Finland seems to be 10 EUR Feb 14 12:28:33 is miniSD the same as microSD? the siemens/benq e71 (mobile phone) i just got has the same i think, so i thought about getting a card, since i'll need it for the neo anyway Feb 14 12:28:47 ecraven: micro is smaller Feb 14 12:29:07 foo :( it's about the size of a sim card, bit smaller i think.. Feb 14 12:29:38 2GB: 53 EUR Feb 14 12:31:02 1GB is only 16EUR here in sweden at least Feb 14 12:31:31 1GB I have to buy in ddr1 form first ;D Feb 14 12:32:09 Is the bsdl for the soc avaialble? Feb 14 12:35:23 bsdl? :P Feb 14 12:36:22 Elrond: http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconductor/MobileSoC/ApplicationProcessor/ARM9Series/S3C2410/S3C2410.htm Feb 14 12:36:49 there is a couple of projects which work Feb 14 12:39:19 1GB: 19 EUR (prices in Finland seems to vary from 9 EUR to 100 EUR) Feb 14 12:40:29 pH5 - Weeee... Seems a nice toy. :) Feb 14 12:40:50 uups, not actually up to 100EUR, up to 54 EUR Feb 14 12:41:45 8- ch 10-bit ADC... what is connected to all those 8 channels?! Feb 14 12:41:53 does the neo have mini or micro SD? Feb 14 12:42:28 * aloril wonders what kind of speed Neo1973 supports for micro SD (ie.. would Ultra II type be a waste of money) Feb 14 12:43:04 ecraven: *micro* SD: see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-January/000000.html Feb 14 12:43:46 * koen loads 4 months worth of gpx files into josm Feb 14 12:44:16 aloril: very cool, thanks Feb 14 12:45:08 nice, 10 euro for 1gb Feb 14 12:45:56 * alphaone just got 3 1GB microSD cards on ebay Feb 14 12:46:15 All for ~10 EUR including shipping Feb 14 12:46:22 "RTC : 32.768 KHz, alarm interrupt" ... does that mean, I can put the neo to power-off and can it can awake on its own in the morning and wake me up by playing music? ;) Feb 14 12:46:50 Elrond: Arm should be capable of doing that, yeah Feb 14 12:47:15 That will be nice. :) Feb 14 12:55:05 counter Feb 14 12:55:05 source: 22:31:47 (-0.161 - 0.939 days); P0: 8.939 - 14.939; P1: 30.939 - 45.939; P2: 198.939 - 228.939 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (318) Feb 14 12:56:36 man, that's getting more and more cryptic Feb 14 12:56:54 Some light entertainment... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ux8nSWmAz0 Feb 14 12:57:46 Stephmw: hehe, there is longer version, but lower limit is cryptic there too Feb 14 12:57:56 Elrond: yes Feb 14 12:58:04 one of my tests is sleeping for 1min on rtc Feb 14 12:58:41 22:31:47?? Feb 14 12:59:25 Stephmw: I like the buzzing sound of a microwave generating plasma :) Feb 14 13:00:06 fluffs - But it can sleep much longer? Feb 14 13:03:53 ecraven: that is upper limit, lower limit has already passed, so anytime ;-) Feb 14 13:04:08 back to some embedded stuff... isn't this an N700? http://hackedgadgets.com/2007/01/21/winem-rfid-enabled-smart-wine-rack/ Feb 14 13:05:41 I forgot to get a card for my gf and I'm working late so I drew hearts and her name on the frost on my bus' window and mms'd it to her Feb 14 13:05:46 I love technology Feb 14 13:06:04 Also: check out googe's logo today Feb 14 13:08:17 Elrond: i belive it should at least match 24hr time Feb 14 13:13:09 does anybody know if the battery is Li-Po or Li-Ion ? Feb 14 13:17:56 lol, I can get microSD cards including adapter for only 9 euro's :P Feb 14 13:18:03 (1GB_ Feb 14 13:18:36 and 2GB for 40 euro's :| Feb 14 13:19:01 strange, i'd better buy 2x 1GB then 1x 2GB Feb 14 13:20:01 the next Openmoko device should have miniSDHC Feb 14 13:20:02 :( Feb 14 13:21:57 and WIFI!1! lol Feb 14 13:22:47 or 3G... Feb 14 13:22:56 multitouch... Feb 14 13:23:19 faster CPU... Feb 14 13:23:21 :P Feb 14 13:24:07 ah, 10 euro for a microSD card, 10 euro for shipment.. Feb 14 13:28:33 longer battery live. Really. Feb 14 13:28:55 At least the s3c2410 can be put in SLOW mode. It takes 33mW then. :) Feb 14 13:35:05 LuitvD: I'd still take smaller size, a full sd slot, 3,5mm plug and a bigger 16:9 touchscreen before any other hw improvements Feb 14 13:35:33 s/plug/jack/ Feb 14 13:35:33 jannu meant: LuitvD: I'd still take smaller size, a full sd slot, 3,5mm jack and a bigger 16:9 touchscreen before any other hw improvements Feb 14 13:35:47 jannu: what kind of jack is on the current one? 2,5? Feb 14 13:36:01 LuitvD: yes. Feb 14 13:36:11 :( Feb 14 13:36:28 LuitvD: imho using anything other than 3.5mm for audio is just silly Feb 14 13:36:31 * LuitvD takes a look in his electronics-drawers Feb 14 13:36:46 stereo 2,5 Jack found :D Feb 14 13:36:50 twice Feb 14 13:37:01 so that's no problem for me Feb 14 13:37:52 maybe i'll just make my headphones have 2,5mm jack ... I've got a 2,5 > 3,5 adapter too ... Feb 14 13:38:36 I've been using an ugly convertor with my E680. Feb 14 13:38:40 LuitvD: I also have an adapter, but a 3,5mm jack on the phone would be so much better Feb 14 13:38:46 3.5mm is nicer. Feb 14 13:39:19 I'd say it's a must, if you want to use the phone as an audio player Feb 14 13:39:46 what I'm saying is that I can convert my headphones to 2,5mm permanently by changing the plug, and use some cable to listen to computer music with those headphones Feb 14 13:39:50 It works just as well with the adapter, it's just annoying to have to carry the adaoter all the time. Feb 14 13:40:03 and i've got enough plugs :P Feb 14 13:40:07 I'm not about to cut up my expensive headphones :) Feb 14 13:40:09 and with a 3-channel jack you could have stereo output and mic input in one Feb 14 13:40:24 SuN: my thoughts exactly Feb 14 13:40:34 SuN: changing the cable on headphones is sometimes even better... Feb 14 13:41:05 my current headphones (great speakers, but lousy cable) needs a thicker cable to improve it's sound... Feb 14 13:41:15 Have you ever tried that on consumer electronic headphones like Sony? They have TINY wires, you're guaranteed to make a mess out of it. Feb 14 13:41:23 :P Feb 14 13:41:26 And a thicker cable is not something I'd want on the road. Feb 14 13:41:37 what kind of headphones do you mean? earplugs? Feb 14 13:41:44 I'm not changing wires on earplugs... Feb 14 13:41:46 Yep Feb 14 13:41:57 a retractable cable would be nice on any headphones Feb 14 13:42:17 nah Feb 14 13:42:21 I wonder if anyone makes those Feb 14 13:42:29 jannu: that stuff is bad for your cables Feb 14 13:42:39 jannu: those things don't last long Feb 14 13:43:13 LuitvD: I have one on my laptop mouse and it has worked really well so far Feb 14 13:43:30 jannu: I've had nothing but trouble with those things... Feb 14 13:43:42 LuitvD: ymmv I guess Feb 14 13:43:48 lol,ymmv? Feb 14 13:43:59 you mileage may vary Feb 14 13:44:10 :) Feb 14 13:44:25 weird, my TI calculator has a 2,5mm jack too :D Feb 14 13:44:42 LuitvD: why? Feb 14 13:44:52 for inter-ti communication Feb 14 13:44:52 LuitvD: does it have an mp3 player? Feb 14 13:44:57 noooo Feb 14 13:45:03 for communication between devices Feb 14 13:45:08 sending programs and stuff Feb 14 13:45:14 LuitvD: ok. sounds a lot more sane Feb 14 13:45:17 hmm, might be a good idea... Feb 14 13:45:27 hack a Neo to communicate with a TI calc Feb 14 13:45:35 There is a midi hack for the ti Feb 14 13:45:53 (it's regular I2C/SPI communication on that jack... if only the Neo could do that too) Feb 14 13:45:54 LuitvD: yes, and use the neo sreen for graphs Feb 14 13:46:00 leventhal: yeah, i know, i tried :) Feb 14 13:46:01 Requires adding a speaker though Feb 14 13:46:20 and it worked (using a 2,5mm > 3,5mm jack) Feb 14 13:46:53 a friend of mine works at the electronics-walhalla, and can get every type of plug and converter :P Feb 14 13:47:14 even 2,5mm > 5.25mm :P those things look weird Feb 14 13:47:20 LuitvD: TCX3106 too? Feb 14 13:47:31 tcx what? Feb 14 13:47:38 LuitvD: its plug Feb 14 13:47:45 hi hrw Feb 14 13:47:46 hmm, any news yet Feb 14 13:47:47 hi woglinde Feb 14 13:47:54 hrw: I guess so... Feb 14 13:47:58 counter Feb 14 13:47:58 hm Feb 14 13:47:58 source: 21:38:53 (-0.198 - 0.902 days); P0: 8.902 - 14.902; P1: 30.902 - 45.902; P2: 198.902 - 228.902 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (319) Feb 14 13:48:14 LuitvD: its hard to get connector used in only few devices rather Feb 14 13:48:20 hrw: this? http://www.kyohritsu.com/CATALOG/CONNECTOR/PHOTO/tcx3106010100.jpg Feb 14 13:48:26 hrw did the phine arrive already? Feb 14 13:48:31 phone even Feb 14 13:48:39 hrw: that shop can get it ordered I guess... Feb 14 13:48:52 what is that TCX plug used in? Feb 14 13:49:11 zaurus palmtops Feb 14 13:49:32 ah :) Feb 14 13:50:08 Hello, everyone. Feb 14 13:50:26 Are there the sources available, yet? I tried checking openmoko.org, but it asks me for password... Feb 14 13:50:30 hi Pavel Maczek Feb 14 13:50:38 pavelm: no sources yet Feb 14 13:51:00 Hi, hrw! Feb 14 13:51:02 pavelm: will see at fosdem? Feb 14 13:51:15 s/see/meet even Feb 14 13:51:25 hrw: Yes, I should be there, talking about fingerprints and suspend. Feb 14 13:51:42 pavelm: I will attend suspend one. Feb 14 13:51:58 pavelm: but I use suspend2 not kernel one ;D Feb 14 13:52:45 is it possible to suspend even when running X? Feb 14 13:52:48 hrw: Then we'll meet. I do not yet have the travel details, but I'd certainly like to talk about small machines. Feb 14 13:52:51 ynezz: Yep. Feb 14 13:53:31 hrw: That's okay, many people use suspend2. It has more features... unfortunately it is also more broken :-). Feb 14 13:53:43 ynezz: but you can have problem with ati/nvidia drivers or other crap Feb 14 13:53:58 i have some s3 Feb 14 13:54:12 s3 is crap, too Feb 14 13:54:17 it is Feb 14 13:54:30 there is no choice Feb 14 13:55:07 ynezz: Actually, vesafb tends to work okay :-) Feb 14 13:55:23 pavelm: when last time I tried to suspend with kernel implementation (2.6.19) and fglrx module it was impossible. suspend2 mostly worked Feb 14 13:55:39 pavelm: to je pomale :) Feb 14 13:56:21 hrw: Good for you. It probably unloads some modules. We actually have code in opensuse to do that. Feb 14 13:56:29 pavelm: vesafb... argh. Feb 14 13:56:34 ynezz: Jo, je to pomaly, ale aspon to funguje :-) Feb 14 13:56:55 I have webpad here with s3 lynx gfx and vesafb works but no output on screen until X11 Feb 14 13:57:06 hrw: well, at least it does not crash systems. Feb 14 13:57:53 hrw: I'd not call that working vesafb :-). It should produce text before x11, too. Feb 14 13:58:19 pavelm: this machine has many other problems ;d Feb 14 13:58:49 hrw: Ok... Feb 14 13:59:02 Are there any time estimates when I should check for the sources? Feb 14 13:59:30 Someone recommended every 5 seconds earlier. Feb 14 13:59:32 not that we know of :P Feb 14 13:59:32 :) Feb 14 13:59:44 Probably before a couple of days. Feb 14 13:59:47 counter Feb 14 13:59:47 source: 21:27:05 (-0.206 - 0.894 days); P0: 8.894 - 14.894; P1: 30.894 - 45.894; P2: 198.894 - 228.894 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (320) Feb 14 13:59:59 between now and 20 hours... hmmm Feb 14 14:00:00 pavelm: any time - 1 day Feb 14 14:05:15 I wonder what the SD read rate is. Feb 14 14:05:26 For suspend to 'disk' resumes. Feb 14 14:06:19 speed: I guess you really do not want to suspend your phone. Feb 14 14:06:40 maybe for faster startup Feb 14 14:08:43 For _long_ battery life mode it might be nice. Feb 14 14:09:07 A mode where it wakes up daily and polls something for missed calls. Feb 14 14:09:22 there are dynticks and few other things which can expand battery probably Feb 14 14:09:32 SpeedEvil: phone has to work 24/7 for me Feb 14 14:09:41 True. But 128M of RAM will still use power. Feb 14 14:10:00 Well - of course. This would be a -probably rarely used- option. Feb 14 14:14:52 btw.. counter? is available for answering newbies (just noticed that discussion was more lines than counter? output would have been in logs ;-) Feb 14 14:20:04 Sigh. http://gauss.ffii.org/PatentView/EP1090342 An attempt to patent putting DRAM into self-refresh mode on power failure. Intel. (though withdrawn) Feb 14 14:20:18 (found when looking for suspend current on modern 128M chips) Feb 14 14:30:09 Hmm. 400uA is the figure I found for micron devices with temperature compensated self refresh. Feb 14 14:30:49 That's 700uW or so at 1.8V, or 200uA or so at 3V. Feb 14 14:31:00 openmoko.org os up! Feb 14 14:31:27 1mA of battery used in 5 hours, or 6000 hours uptime without powering down the SDRAM. Feb 14 14:32:06 cute wiki Feb 14 14:32:12 If it does self-refresh right, then there is indeed little reason to power down fully unless you want battery life of >6 months. Feb 14 14:32:12 :) Feb 14 14:32:18 :) Feb 14 14:32:24 and already slashdotted or what Feb 14 14:32:55 * koen waits for svn and bugzilla to come up Feb 14 14:33:02 ah maybe it just lives in asia Feb 14 14:34:33 * fluffs has to go Feb 14 14:34:33 bye for now, have to go. Feb 14 14:34:39 Wave. Feb 14 14:34:40 Hehe, and now the side goes up... Feb 14 14:35:31 http://www.openmoko.org just came up Feb 14 14:35:46 etf|work: old news, scroll up :) Feb 14 14:35:51 oops Feb 14 14:35:57 Are you on a zaurus or something? ;) Feb 14 14:35:59 nice site Feb 14 14:36:29 Is it me or are none of the links actually working yet? Feb 14 14:36:37 (other than projects) Feb 14 14:36:40 can someone pipe it through coral cache or something? Feb 14 14:36:49 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo1973 Feb 14 14:37:22 ohh wow Feb 14 14:37:26 www is nice Feb 14 14:37:40 Sweet! Feb 14 14:38:03 You are definitely going to want to cache that because slashdot is probably going to hit it hard. Feb 14 14:38:25 it's already slow :( Feb 14 14:38:34 koen: woot Feb 14 14:38:43 * SpeedEvil wgets and mirros Feb 14 14:38:50 Nifty, the round part above the hole has the antenna. Feb 14 14:39:04 I like how they themed the wiki. Feb 14 14:39:20 very nice looking Feb 14 14:40:07 koen: greetings Feb 14 14:40:16 hey prpplague Feb 14 14:40:25 hmmm: http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/f/ff/Layout_confirm_alert.png Feb 14 14:40:33 * koen slaps openmoko with the HIG Feb 14 14:40:42 no nouns, only verbs on buttons Feb 14 14:40:53 koen: there any info on the wiki about the make and model of the lcd? Feb 14 14:41:24 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware Feb 14 14:41:27 Cool - verbal buttons! Feb 14 14:41:33 "This is a 2.8" 480x640 toppoly (tpo) TD028TTEC1 module, using a Toshiba JBT6K74 TFT LCD Driver Chipset." Feb 14 14:41:40 SuN: ahh thanks, just found it Feb 14 14:41:48 svn is up, too Feb 14 14:42:37 i sure hope they offer the neo1973 as an OEM package Feb 14 14:42:51 You mean without case? Feb 14 14:42:54 koen: are you referring to Footer Area? I don't see any other verbs, but I'm pretty sure that's a description and not actually a button. Feb 14 14:43:00 The case is likely to be the much, much cheaper bit. Feb 14 14:43:18 I would be astonished if the case cost $5 in volume. Feb 14 14:43:19 SuN: [Yes] [No] buttons in a dialog Feb 14 14:43:35 Oh, alright. Are those nouns though? :) Feb 14 14:43:49 SuN: no idea what the proper english word is Feb 14 14:44:20 Sigh - the GPS antenna is at the bottom, when on a lanyard. Feb 14 14:44:28 I wouldn't even know what they're called in Dutch. Feb 14 14:44:31 That will probably hurt it a fair bit. Feb 14 14:44:41 SpeedEvil: yea, without the case Feb 14 14:44:51 * koen reads http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debug_Board Feb 14 14:45:03 SpeedEvil: basically so the design could be integrated into a different product Feb 14 14:45:07 ah, at least one more month :( Feb 14 14:45:23 Heh, it's overclockable.. "neo1973 266MHz on" Feb 14 14:46:31 so with a powered hub I can use a neo to debug a neo Feb 14 14:46:44 counter? Feb 14 14:46:44 source: http://svn.openmoko.org/ ; 2 weeks 20:40:07 (8.861 - 14.861 days) for devices for selected developers (2007-02-28); a month, 2 weeks (30.861 - 45.861 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-03-31); 7 months, 2 weeks (198.861 - 228.861 days) for mass market (2007-09-30): see topic for more info (321) Feb 14 14:46:48 counter Feb 14 14:46:48 P0: 2 weeks 20:40:03 (8.861 - 14.861 days); P1: 30.861 - 45.861; P2: 198.861 - 228.861 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (322) Feb 14 14:51:09 Nice icons and logos in the look and feel page Feb 14 14:51:37 Yeah, I think the style is very classy. Feb 14 14:51:51 USB port is at side it seems Feb 14 14:52:47 I would like a 'trivial' mod - larger screen - leaving all the electronics the same. Just a new case/battery. Feb 14 14:52:50 Yeah. Feb 14 14:52:53 That's a pity. Feb 14 14:53:26 It would have been nice for me if it was on bottom or top. Feb 14 14:53:41 It's going to get in the way when plugged in. Feb 14 14:53:45 hi Feb 14 14:55:29 can we get black neos? Feb 14 14:55:49 OE_REVISION = "0fd8aee84dc95e1ea0c5b61f73df1cf48f856c81" Feb 14 14:55:50 TARGET_ARCH = "arm" Feb 14 14:55:50 TARGET_OS = "linux-gnueabi" Feb 14 14:55:50 MACHINE = "fic-gta01" Feb 14 14:55:51 :D Feb 14 14:55:52 koen: eabi build started yet? Feb 14 14:56:47 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo1973#GSM_Antenna i take it the antenna is really the metallic thing not the whole back thing rihgt? Feb 14 14:58:33 whoever is @mauve.plus.com and tries to 'wget' the wiki: please stop it Feb 14 14:59:00 buz: the shape might be important Feb 14 14:59:13 buz: but I think it's just the mettalic strip Feb 14 14:59:17 LaF0rge: kernel source 404s Feb 14 14:59:36 SpeedEvil: wgetting? Feb 14 14:59:40 mhh i guess one could fit some usb wifi thingy in it Feb 14 14:59:49 i hope the final modals are the black & silver versions of the neo1973 Feb 14 14:59:49 LaF0rge ohcrap Feb 14 15:00:04 That was meant to be only the hardware page Feb 14 15:00:11 LaF0rge: http://people.gta01.hmw-consulting.de/laforge/tmp/linux-2.6.17.7-gta01-lcm.tar.bz2 <- 404 Feb 14 15:00:31 * Stephmw pats SpeedEvil on the head... did you forget -np ? Feb 14 15:00:32 Also - the touchscreen driver URL has a * at the end Feb 14 15:00:55 No, I added -l3 when I meant -p I think. Feb 14 15:01:26 koen: it is a 'tmp' path ;) Feb 14 15:01:48 koen: from where is that linked? Feb 14 15:01:58 LaF0rge: from the kernel recipes in svn Feb 14 15:02:21 hmm, there are a coule uf unused GPIOs Feb 14 15:02:30 pity they weren't brought out to a header Feb 14 15:02:36 parag0n: brought out? Feb 14 15:02:36 oh Feb 14 15:02:48 could have used them for additional i2c / spi peripharals Feb 14 15:03:16 koen: there's a later, working recpie ;) Feb 14 15:03:31 * koen svn up Feb 14 15:05:13 Hm, once we get rid of all the transparency effects, it'll probably take up about 10MB of RAM and it'll run fine on an EZX phone ;) Feb 14 15:06:01 This has more eye candy than I've seen in any other FOSS project -- not that that's a bad thing, I like it. Feb 14 15:07:03 * mickeyl notes that everything in the Wiki is the designer's idea Feb 14 15:07:07 read: MOCKUPS Feb 14 15:07:32 How accurate are they? Feb 14 15:07:38 * mickeyl sees no way to realize this w/ the current software + hardware stack Feb 14 15:07:40 but might it actually work that way? Feb 14 15:07:41 SuN: it might be usable on new moto platform based on freescale Feb 14 15:07:49 ah so that answers that Feb 14 15:07:49 feel free to build the stuff Feb 14 15:07:57 to get the idea of how it looks :) Feb 14 15:07:58 sorry, no time for screenies Feb 14 15:08:01 mickeyl: good to know that microsd card is connected to backlight Feb 14 15:08:06 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware Feb 14 15:08:06 I understand. Feb 14 15:09:36 hehe Feb 14 15:09:38 feel free to fi Feb 14 15:09:43 x Feb 14 15:10:11 That's actually not a bad idea... flicker in sync with disk activity :) Feb 14 15:10:23 WM8753 or other? I saw WM8769 or sth like that somewhere Feb 14 15:11:03 WTF? Feb 14 15:11:05 arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-ld: ERROR: Source object /data/build/koen/OE/build/tmp/angstrom/cross/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.1.1/libgcc.a(_udivdi3.o) has EABI version 4, but target u-boot has EABI version 0 Feb 14 15:12:32 hrw: earlier hardware had WM8769, now long abandoned. Feb 14 15:12:34 Is there a pic of the inside of the front cover? Feb 14 15:12:54 LaF0rge: thx Feb 14 15:12:56 * [g2] hugs LaF0rge. Thx for all the hard work! :) Feb 14 15:13:10 speed: no, why would there? Feb 14 15:13:45 He wants to see if he can hide money in there. Feb 14 15:13:55 hmmm, uboot clashes with libgcc Feb 14 15:14:00 * koen stabs uboot Feb 14 15:14:01 LaF0rge: nice wiki theme Feb 14 15:14:06 <[g2]> hrw are you planning to use your OE build environ to bootstrap openmoko ? Feb 14 15:14:13 hrw: not my work (the design at least) Feb 14 15:14:13 | arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-ld: Warning: size of symbol `__udivsi3' changed from 152 in lib_arm/libarm.a(_udivsi3.o) to 252 in /data/build/koen/OE/build/tmp/angstrom/cross/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.1.1/libgcc.a(_udivsi3.o) Feb 14 15:14:36 koen: that means you're using the wrong toolchain Feb 14 15:14:45 LaF0rge: I want to see if there is any spare space in there. Feb 14 15:14:51 LaF0rge: need fixing for konqueror (edit/discuss button are nearly not visible) but that minor Feb 14 15:15:00 LaF0rge: I'm using the correct toolchain, the one OE builds Feb 14 15:15:01 speed: the lower cover has space next tot he battery Feb 14 15:15:09 I think Konqueror needs fixing ;) Feb 14 15:15:37 * [g2] didn't think openmoko was going to be eabi to start with right ? Feb 14 15:15:38 koen: not the one that our OE tree has, i guess Feb 14 15:15:54 first edit of wiki done Feb 14 15:16:09 LaF0rge: will wakeup on GSM events be done via UART IRQs and not via the GPF0 or GPF1 GPIO? Feb 14 15:16:22 does nayone know if the phase 1 neo1973s will be the black/silver or the white/orange version? Feb 14 15:17:06 parag0n: my guess: P0: either one, no choice, P1: there is choice Feb 14 15:18:27 what app can do such nice graph? http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/2/28/Openmokoframework.png Feb 14 15:18:41 My Treo wakes up when there's no signal or when the battery is low. I hope the Neo doesn't do that. Feb 14 15:19:36 ynezz: visio Feb 14 15:19:48 bah Feb 14 15:20:10 ynezz: and omni graffle Feb 14 15:20:30 i thought it's graphviz or so :) Feb 14 15:21:17 LaF0rge: Specifically, I was wondering evil thoughts involving a tiny bit of flex circuitry plugged into the debug port. Feb 14 15:21:25 With the case closed. Feb 14 15:22:22 on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Sjf2410-linux there is a link to password protected URL https://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/gta01/deploy/images/sjf2410 Feb 14 15:22:37 *sigh* back to learning Feb 14 15:22:48 would it be possible to download ready made images? Feb 14 15:23:43 ynezz: yes, see the wiki Feb 14 15:24:33 ynezz: fixed Feb 14 15:24:44 thanks :) Feb 14 15:25:17 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Layout_info_alert.png WARRING! Feb 14 15:25:36 Pelase recharge the battery! Feb 14 15:26:05 yeah, site is probably going to be slow for a little while :) Feb 14 15:27:23 <[g2]> hrw / LaF0rge can one build from svn (r988) or do we need the OE version f499733e6db527846e1a48cf70f9862d6b3798ae hrw@openembedded.org 2006-12-18T22:35:31 ? Feb 14 15:28:17 [g2]: this rev was used as base and then extended with svn Feb 14 15:28:55 <[g2]> hrw so I need to base then right ? Feb 14 15:29:01 <[g2]> s/to/the/ Feb 14 15:29:01 [g2] meant: hrw so I need the base then right ? Feb 14 15:30:05 g2: you need that specific OE snapshot Feb 14 15:30:14 g2: plus our svn Feb 14 15:30:20 g2: please read the wiki Feb 14 15:30:48 is the microsd next to/underneath the sim card? Feb 14 15:30:56 underneath Feb 14 15:31:12 ah, ok, that makes sense. Feb 14 15:31:25 Email sent to: mickey@vanille-media.de, koen@openembedded.org

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is not proper HTML 4.x! Feb 14 15:32:00 yes, known bug Feb 14 15:32:27 koen: i never had time to look into such issues. that's something somebody can loko into if he doesn't know what else to do with his time Feb 14 15:32:28 ;) Feb 14 15:32:46 LaF0rge: uboot or html? Feb 14 15:33:00 koen: html Feb 14 15:33:06 right Feb 14 15:33:18 What's that html code part of? Feb 14 15:34:30 bugzill Feb 14 15:34:31 a Feb 14 15:35:22 Hm, I'm inclined to give that a html overhaul, but that could possibly prove to be a very taxing job. Feb 14 15:37:03 counter Feb 14 15:37:03 P0: 2 weeks 19:49:48 (8.826 - 14.826 days); P1: 30.826 - 45.826; P2: 198.826 - 228.826 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (323) Feb 14 15:43:04 mickeyl, LaF0rge: I see that neo1973 and openmoko will get nice BT support - MH in list of people Feb 14 15:43:43 yes. we got him on boat once we were sure BT would make it Feb 14 15:43:50 so gpe-calendar got dissed as the base for the openmoko cal:( Feb 14 15:44:13 (I knew this, but I didn't officially realize that it was considered) Feb 14 15:44:31 what is the base for the cal then? Feb 14 15:44:37 mccarthy: OH Dates iirc Feb 14 15:44:54 hrw, I see that (on wiki.openmoko.org) Feb 14 15:45:05 I like gpe-calendar (but obviously I am biased ;) Feb 14 15:45:37 is dates *really* immature or did I do something wrong when building it? Feb 14 15:45:42 mccarthy: Well - make it better than the existing one, and ... Feb 14 15:45:56 my x86 version has no recurrence, no alarms, no view other than day...?! Feb 14 15:47:25 seems like it would be nice to use the same thing the N800/Maemo devs are using, which is currently GPE-cal Feb 14 15:47:38 better to work together on developing the mobile calendar app Feb 14 15:48:55 I would be glad to help with whatever cal is going to be standard (although it will take a bit of a learning curve since all I know now is gpe-cal) Feb 14 15:49:24 neal w. would be a great addition too (much better than adding me, actually :) Feb 14 15:50:05 mccarthy: coding a eds-dbus backend for libeventdb would be neat Feb 14 15:51:15 koen, I thought the same thing. if the main reason dates was chosen was the eds thing, it seems like it would have been easier to re-tool the backend of gpe-cal then to build a whole new beast Feb 14 15:51:40 (I guess that is how OSS seems to always work though) Feb 14 15:52:11 koen, if I checkout the svn from openmoko will it have the current calendar stuff? Feb 14 15:52:19 no idea Feb 14 15:52:27 good monring Feb 14 15:52:30 koen, (are you one of the pre-phase 0 developers?!) Feb 14 15:52:32 I'm trying to fix uboot right now Feb 14 15:52:35 florian, hello Feb 14 15:52:39 mccarthy: yes Feb 14 15:52:55 koen, I guess not on pim apps though, then ;) Feb 14 15:53:12 good morning (evening here in germany) Feb 14 15:53:47 how big is the openzaurus tree disk-space wise? Feb 14 15:54:04 crap sorry, wrong tab Feb 14 15:54:06 ignore that Feb 14 15:54:21 hi, is any projects.openmoko.org admin around ? Feb 14 15:54:23 hmm, could be an idea to fork some gpe stuff Feb 14 15:55:02 Harlekin: no Feb 14 15:55:16 koen: did not look at code yet Feb 14 15:55:33 Harlekin: forking is almost never a good idea Feb 14 15:55:39 eblis: yes Feb 14 15:55:46 koen: depends Feb 14 15:55:55 koen: if there is something usefull in there Feb 14 15:56:04 Harlekin: forking is almost never a good idea.... Feb 14 15:56:04 Harlekin: why fork? Feb 14 15:56:11 Harlekin: why not work with them Feb 14 15:56:12 ? Feb 14 15:56:13 koen: and how much it is object oriented Feb 14 15:56:16 ooo, wait Feb 14 15:56:21 you're an opie dev Feb 14 15:56:34 koen: is the gui separated? Feb 14 15:56:40 florian, sometimes even *moving* is bad ;) (not *really* bad, just painful) Feb 14 15:56:42 nice MVC modelled? Feb 14 15:56:56 mccarthy: heh Feb 14 15:57:00 LaF0rge: i don't seem to have a fully functional project ... or maybe i'm doing something wrong Feb 14 15:57:19 eblis: what's the matter? Feb 14 15:57:23 http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/dotnet/ Feb 14 15:57:28 i can't access the svn repository Feb 14 15:57:36 i can't use ssh Feb 14 15:57:40 mh. Feb 14 15:57:53 eblis: will put this on the TODO, but might take up to a week until i find time, sorry Feb 14 15:57:59 i get a 404 if i try to browse the SVN Feb 14 15:58:00 eblis: we have way higher prio stuff Feb 14 15:58:07 ok, np Feb 14 16:00:08 koen, who is working on calendar? Feb 14 16:00:09 who is going to help me with a work on ncurses gui for OM? :p Feb 14 16:00:23 mccarthy: no idea Feb 14 16:00:33 hmm Feb 14 16:00:39 Holy Shit - that Feb 14 16:00:48 That's a lot of work they published there Feb 14 16:00:48 not in svn yet (as far as I can find) Feb 14 16:00:54 koen, who would know? Feb 14 16:01:13 mccarthy: mickeyl would be my first guess Feb 14 16:01:37 ncurses isn't even that bad of an idea. Feb 14 16:02:06 why does the wiki say one needs write permissions to the om svn? for which process is this needed? Feb 14 16:02:24 rep: the wiki was originally written for internal developers Feb 14 16:02:29 sry - wiki page about building oe from scratch Feb 14 16:02:36 ah okay Feb 14 16:02:38 mickeyl, who is working on the calendar? Feb 14 16:02:41 rep: talk to wpwrak about that Feb 14 16:02:49 mccarty: o-hand Feb 14 16:03:02 wow. the uis are definitely bling-bling Feb 14 16:03:12 LaFOrge: gsmmux_ldisc.c in ts0710.patch - is the revision 988 in svn the latest version? Feb 14 16:03:22 Is it me, or would the 'power on image' http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:System_boot.png look really cool with animated flames at the bottom? The flames rise (over 1 second) to cover the screen, then fade to reveal the screen. Feb 14 16:04:01 SpeedEvil: jannu you know these are mockups Feb 14 16:04:32 Harlekin: of course. Feb 14 16:05:00 LaF0rge: http://openmoko.org looks a little bit broken... i have a svn conflict mark in there. Feb 14 16:05:06 Harlekin: Yes, obviously Feb 14 16:06:13 jannu: you would need a different toolkit for such a gui Feb 14 16:06:16 oh boy - i really am looking forward to having this phone in my hands - i think i will soon be dreaming about openmoko and the neo =) Feb 14 16:06:29 jannu: efl e.g. Feb 14 16:06:53 cu Feb 14 16:07:15 Hmm. It looks like the LCD is not going to be at all visible without the backlight. Feb 14 16:07:19 Which is a pity. Feb 14 16:07:45 (there is a tradeoff between LCD brightness, and reflective visibility) Feb 14 16:08:13 s/visible/readable/ Feb 14 16:08:44 jannu: or cocoa/quartz Feb 14 16:09:03 Harlekin: plus some sort of 2d accelerated hardware Feb 14 16:09:09 better 3d Feb 14 16:09:09 .-) Feb 14 16:09:14 not really - images are not readable. Feb 14 16:09:55 Harlekin: anyway, less bling would actually be better for usability Feb 14 16:10:13 jannu: not only less bling Feb 14 16:10:20 SpeedEvil - Huh, one needs the backlight to see anything? I had hoped for putting a big clock on the lcd as "screen saver", so I can use the neo as a watch. ;) Feb 14 16:10:42 Look at the LCD details, follow it to the LCD vendors page. Feb 14 16:10:50 It lists the LCD as 'reflective' N/A Feb 14 16:11:02 Whereas other ones have 3-5% reflectance. Feb 14 16:11:22 On the flipside, they have 30% transmission, compared to 70%. Feb 14 16:11:31 which means they'd be dimmer. Feb 14 16:12:13 "Sean & Harald wants events to be absolute. IE when traveling only the time & date is shifted but events remain fixed. This could a local / fixed setting if needed." Feb 14 16:12:13 In that case, my idea of powering one LED of the backlight - maybe the corner one at the top, with the signal indicators and clock would be more interesting. Feb 14 16:12:14 yay for that Feb 14 16:12:36 (though others will have had it too) Feb 14 16:12:52 Harlekin: yep. I'll probably start working on some simpler designs over the weekend Feb 14 16:13:21 hehe, for a short while there was a svn conflict marker in the html file for openmoko.org :) it's gone now though Feb 14 16:14:03 koen: what else Feb 14 16:23:56 * LaF0rge solves some speed problems with openmoo Feb 14 16:24:10 counter Feb 14 16:24:10 P0: 2 weeks 19:02:41 (8.794 - 14.794 days); P1: 30.794 - 45.794; P2: 198.794 - 228.794 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (324) Feb 14 16:24:11 openmoo :) Feb 14 16:24:41 hmm, what's the minimum gcc required. my FC6 gcc seems to not have all required options :P Feb 14 16:24:46 woo, openmoko src is up Feb 14 16:25:50 cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-mlittle-endian" Feb 14 16:25:50 cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-mapcs" Feb 14 16:25:50 cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-mno-sched-prolog" Feb 14 16:25:50 cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-mabi=apcs-gnu" Feb 14 16:25:54 LaF0rge - BTW: Thanks for the nice posting on planet yesterday (or was it two days ago)! :) Feb 14 16:26:01 gcc (GCC) 4.1.1 20070105 (Red Hat 4.1.1-51) Feb 14 16:26:55 Ohh. duh Feb 14 16:26:57 never mind. Feb 14 16:33:09 Is the wiki and bugzilla using different accounts? Feb 14 16:35:37 * koen gives up on uboot for the moment Feb 14 16:37:55 LaF0rge: kernel can use patches from svn without do_prepatch Feb 14 16:38:13 LaF0rge: OH do it with qemu-native in poky Feb 14 16:38:26 hrw: mickeyl uses patcher, which breaks things Feb 14 16:38:45 patcher?? argh Feb 14 16:38:58 ok. time to go to cinema Feb 14 16:38:59 cu Feb 14 16:39:03 happy hacking Feb 14 16:39:04 that's why the ezx kernels where broken for a long time as well Feb 14 16:42:06 with regard to the simcard (don't remember who asked): http://people.openmoko.org/laforge/photos/gta01-sd-simcard/ Feb 14 16:42:29 wow Feb 14 16:42:34 elrond: yes, of course different accounts Feb 14 16:44:12 LaF0rge: is that an external RF antenna socket next to the SIM slot? Feb 14 16:45:07 noidd: that's GPS antenna, right Feb 14 16:45:16 GSM antenna jack is on the back Feb 14 16:45:45 FINALLY :D Feb 14 16:46:22 is the server flooded now? :P Feb 14 16:46:42 oeh... kinky red PCB :) Feb 14 16:48:28 LaF0rge: is the kernel in a seperate partition for phase0? Feb 14 16:48:36 anyone here? or are y'all droolin on the wiki? :P Feb 14 16:48:40 LaF0rge: ok to put those pictures in a 'more pictures' page off the hardware page? With description of each. Feb 14 16:49:00 s/to/for me to/ Feb 14 16:49:01 SpeedEvil meant: LaF0rge: ok for me to put those pictures in a 'more pictures' page off the hardware page? With description of each. Feb 14 16:49:02 great - thx Feb 14 16:49:29 Of course, I'm now worried about shipping issues to the US since the wiki says they only have info for Agentina and .de Feb 14 16:49:43 I think that's users adding info that they know of. Feb 14 16:49:50 Yeah, I know Feb 14 16:49:52 Aaaargh, arrrgh... purifying a 60mb binary... it's killing me Feb 14 16:50:00 I just don't know where to look to investigate it on the US side. Feb 14 16:50:14 I guess I should ask customs. The question is, how is it going to be shipped Feb 14 16:50:26 as an industrial prototype, as a cellphone... as what? Feb 14 16:50:30 what should I be asking Feb 14 16:52:14 I'd ask on usenet - sci.electronics.design Feb 14 16:53:38 there are so many registered user on projects Feb 14 16:54:42 i just had a very weird vision of my head of a retro openmoko interface using (sometimes scaled) linux console fonts and colored text+backgrounds Feb 14 16:54:51 *in my head Feb 14 16:54:59 Is there any difference between 01Bv3 and v4? Feb 14 16:55:28 there was mention of a jtag addition Feb 14 16:56:45 cbpage - v3 already has a jtag port on the pcb. Feb 14 16:58:05 ah ok Feb 14 16:58:10 i guess v4 has yield fixes Feb 14 16:58:30 (hopefully!) Feb 14 16:58:35 counter Feb 14 16:58:36 P0: 2 weeks 18:28:15 (8.770 - 14.770 days); P1: 30.770 - 45.770; P2: 198.770 - 228.770 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (325) Feb 14 16:58:53 * LuitvD can't stop looking at the FIC Neo1973's sexy internals Feb 14 16:58:57 i was going to say i wanted a broken one w/o jtag... then i realized it'd have no bluetooth, so... ;) Feb 14 16:59:09 * cbpage = "OMG BLUETOOTH" Feb 14 16:59:17 ;) Feb 14 16:59:30 cbpage: are there any broken ones w/o jtag? Feb 14 16:59:34 hehe, SVN DDOS obviously Feb 14 16:59:41 cbpage: I'd love to have a broken one :D Feb 14 16:59:51 It's the bluetooth cable that was changed. Feb 14 16:59:53 they all have jtag Feb 14 17:00:05 It was changed so that JTAG would be accessible. Feb 14 17:00:06 yeah Feb 14 17:00:07 * koen hums quietly Feb 14 17:00:11 <[g2]> \o/ all with JTAG :) Feb 14 17:00:11 but... what do you mean by 'broken ones' ? Feb 14 17:00:23 there was a 7% yield on the bluetooth ribbon/cable thingie Feb 14 17:00:33 so P0 is holding on one that works Feb 14 17:00:53 unfortunatly we're coming up on New Year so that might take a bit longer Feb 14 17:01:36 congrats on getting the wiki up! Feb 14 17:01:55 it's slow as hell though Feb 14 17:02:12 i had to look to see if it got dugg already Feb 14 17:02:15 [18:35] CIA-20: koen org.oe.dev * rfbfae3b9... / (5 files in 4 dirs): matchbox-panel-2: add it from openmoko svn (which probably got it from poky) Feb 14 17:02:15 this is where you need P2P website sharing Feb 14 17:02:15 [18:35] CIA-20: koen org.oe.dev * rb507f7e7... / (1 packages/gsm packages/gsm/libgsmd_svn.bb): libgsmd: add from openmoko svn Feb 14 17:02:15 [18:35] CIA-20: koen org.oe.dev * r278c86c9... / (37 files in 11 dirs): openmoko: add openmoko framework (from openmoko svn) Feb 14 17:02:16 <[g2]> LuitvD agreed on that speed issue Feb 14 17:02:19 Wait till someone slashdots it. Feb 14 17:02:20 almost there...... Feb 14 17:02:47 [g2]: everyone's drooling over the pics of the device's nude-pictures :) Feb 14 17:03:03 koen: so you will pull the OM svn reguarly? Feb 14 17:03:22 xorAxAx: no, I hope they'll deprecate the svn repo once everything is in Feb 14 17:03:50 LuitvD: I, for one, am drooling over some completely different nude pictures Feb 14 17:04:10 sticky hands? Feb 14 17:04:12 jannu: seriously, do I have to know? :P Feb 14 17:04:43 LuitvD: lousy humour I know, but I really had no choice Feb 14 17:04:52 lol Feb 14 17:05:11 LuitvD: some jokes just have to be told Feb 14 17:05:25 Is it me, or is wiki.openmoko.com timing out for everyone now? Feb 14 17:05:35 SpeedEvil, slow here... Feb 14 17:05:39 <[g2]> SpeedEvil it's pretty slow Feb 14 17:05:44 SpeedEvil: slow, but not timed out yet Feb 14 17:05:54 it's pretty slow here Feb 14 17:05:59 (germany) Feb 14 17:06:00 <[g2]> there should be a mirror :) Feb 14 17:06:10 * koen hums while uploading openmoko packages to angstrom feeds Feb 14 17:06:13 there should be a decent server behind it :) Feb 14 17:06:34 LaF0rge - Is there any difference between 01Bv3 and v4? Feb 14 17:06:43 Main page not loading after 2 mins, 'show preview' not after 5. Oh well. Feb 14 17:06:53 (UK) Feb 14 17:07:07 hmm, looks like I don't need to create anything to import data from google calendar... Feb 14 17:07:13 SpeedEvil - Thanks fot slashdot, probably. Feb 14 17:07:26 google calendar can create vCal data... Feb 14 17:08:09 now i'm getting connection refused from the server Feb 14 17:08:25 ah, svn works again Feb 14 17:08:35 * LuitvD cached up some 20 pages... Feb 14 17:08:43 * koen caches svn checkouts Feb 14 17:08:57 i'm trying to improve, but it's hard Feb 14 17:09:12 load average: 112.77, 87.88, 54.18 Feb 14 17:09:21 is this "werner" in irc btw? Feb 14 17:09:28 xora: wpwrak Feb 14 17:09:40 xora: werner almesberger Feb 14 17:10:22 LaF0rge: i am not xora :) Feb 14 17:11:36 but thanks Feb 14 17:14:43 cannot connect to the wiki? Feb 14 17:15:08 Okay, I think, I found a bug (or at least inconsitency) in the gps power module. Feb 14 17:15:29 what's the licensing on sjf2410-linux? Feb 14 17:15:35 blech no monotone 0.32 rpms yet. Feb 14 17:17:10 LetoTo: venge.net/monotone Feb 14 17:17:22 what server is the wiki on? Feb 14 17:17:35 * Elrond getting home now. Feb 14 17:17:55 koen: i dont want suse rpms :) Feb 14 17:18:41 * koen doesn't want to use RPMs at all Feb 14 17:18:57 ues gentoo then, if you want more global warming :) Feb 14 17:19:26 or use monotone debs Feb 14 17:20:24 or the static build Feb 14 17:21:39 * LuitvD is still trying to load the wiki... Feb 14 17:21:40 LetoTo, what distro? Feb 14 17:21:56 * koen starts making a list of openmoko bugs till bugzilla comes up again Feb 14 17:22:03 FC6 Feb 14 17:22:19 I could just grab the .31 srpm and turn it into a .32 rpm Feb 14 17:22:24 but now i am just building from source Feb 14 17:23:04 the wiki diddn't last long did it Feb 14 17:23:28 LetoTo, grab these: ftp://ftp.blagblagblag.org/pub/BLAG/linux/60000/en/os/i386/BLAG/RPMS.TESTING/monotone-0.32-0blag.fc6.i386.rpm ftp://ftp.blagblagblag.org/pub/BLAG/linux/60000/en/os/i386/BLAG/RPMS.TESTING/bitbake-1.6.2-0blag.fc6.noarch.rpm Feb 14 17:23:50 what are thos for? Feb 14 17:24:00 s/thos/those/ Feb 14 17:24:00 LuitvD meant: what are those for? Feb 14 17:24:03 LuitvD, they'll work with FC6 Feb 14 17:24:14 yeah, but what is monotone for? Feb 14 17:24:23 bitbake I have heard of... Feb 14 17:24:42 (thanks for those btw, running fc6 too) Feb 14 17:24:44 LuitvD: venge.net/monotone Feb 14 17:24:45 <[g2]> LuitvD monotone manages the OE metadata Feb 14 17:24:51 LuitvD, check the openembedded wiki... Feb 14 17:25:04 jebba: okay Feb 14 17:25:09 koen: thanks Feb 14 17:25:18 [g2]: thnx :P Feb 14 17:25:41 lol, openmoko wiki is running slow, and in the IRC channel, everyone is helpful ^^ Feb 14 17:25:54 even some mysql connect failures Feb 14 17:26:01 i think there's some load ;) Feb 14 17:26:04 jebba: you should tell LetoTo to use yum :P Feb 14 17:26:19 bitbake and monotone are in the Fedora Extras repo's :P Feb 14 17:26:34 LuitvD, ya, but they are the older versions than recommended in the wiki. Feb 14 17:26:49 are they? Feb 14 17:26:54 * LuitvD checks Feb 14 17:28:01 jebba: yeah, y're right Feb 14 17:28:26 both bitbake and monotone are older on the fedore repo's Feb 14 17:28:37 s/fedore/fedora/ Feb 14 17:28:38 LuitvD meant: both bitbake and monotone are older on the fedora repo's Feb 14 17:30:05 meh, now what... Feb 14 17:30:31 got bitbake, monotone, some stuff the OE wiki recommended... and no source :P Feb 14 17:30:31 LuitvD: FC is at monotone 0.31, not 0.32 and it refuses to build OE Feb 14 17:30:47 LetoTo: yeah, saw that just now Feb 14 17:31:04 LetoTo: monotone doesn't build OE Feb 14 17:31:10 though I tried the repo's because I wanted the x86_64 version :P Feb 14 17:31:26 LetoTo: get one of the older OE snapshots that GettingStarted mentions Feb 14 17:31:52 lol, i'd like to see the webstats of the openmoko server :P Feb 14 17:32:14 all I've got just now is the gpio.txt :P Feb 14 17:32:33 staring at that file for minutes now, waiting until some other files load Feb 14 17:33:49 mtn: connecting to monotone.openembedded.org Feb 14 17:33:52 working now Feb 14 17:34:16 counter Feb 14 17:34:16 P0: 2 weeks 17:52:34 (8.745 - 14.745 days); P1: 30.745 - 45.745; P2: 198.745 - 228.745 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (326) Feb 14 17:34:20 LuitvD: larforge said load of 112 a few minutes ago :) Feb 14 17:34:34 i take it the source is out now? Feb 14 17:35:32 LetoTo: yeah :) but I'd rather see graphs :) Feb 14 17:35:59 maydaytx_: something like that, yeah Feb 14 17:37:54 does the LCD module have CCFL, foil, or LED backlight? Feb 14 17:38:35 I think it's LED. Feb 14 17:38:44 LEDs have come on a _long_ way in the past 3 years. Feb 14 17:38:54 It's not CCFL Feb 14 17:38:57 that'd be insane. Feb 14 17:39:09 Foil is marginally possible, though unlikely. Feb 14 17:39:39 SpeedEvil: can't check it on the wiki :P Feb 14 17:40:28 wait... i can :D external links <3 Feb 14 17:41:56 that's a relatively new LCD module on the Neo1973 Feb 14 17:45:02 CCFL at that size are horribly inefficeint. Feb 14 17:45:14 Tehy were used 5 years ago, as white LEDs sucked. Feb 14 17:45:29 Since then, white LEDs have gotten 5 times or more more efficient. Feb 14 17:45:37 :P Feb 14 17:46:08 The best of breed LEDs are now competitive with large conventional fluroescant tubes. Feb 14 17:46:10 and they're now using led backlights on commercial 17" TFT displays Feb 14 17:46:31 Which are more efficient than the thin CCFL tubes. Feb 14 17:46:46 yeah Feb 14 17:46:55 produce less heat too Feb 14 17:47:08 leave out the 'too' there :P Feb 14 17:47:09 i think those new 5000:1 lcd tvs even use leds Feb 14 17:47:13 because they can dim those Feb 14 17:47:19 White LEDs are getting pretty good. Feb 14 17:47:35 They are getting to around 35% input electricity to output photons. Feb 14 17:47:36 i just wished they get oled in an useable state Feb 14 17:47:45 i've got a bunch of 18000 mcd white leds to play with :) Feb 14 17:47:47 Yeah - OLED sucks in comparison. Feb 14 17:48:25 oled will get there. eventually Feb 14 17:48:50 they have to last longer though (as a display) Feb 14 17:48:59 one super bright led on top of the openmoko would be cool. flashlight phone Feb 14 17:49:07 I recently upgraded my minimaglite solitare that had been sitting on my keyring for years to http://fenix-store.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_49&products_id=111 which is a 1W LED torch. Feb 14 17:49:10 like the nokai 51xx? Feb 14 17:49:10 I would no longer have to stumble in the dark using just the backlight :) Feb 14 17:49:13 Same size as the minimag. Feb 14 17:49:20 And around 30 times as bright. Feb 14 17:49:32 my father has a 3W led one Feb 14 17:49:36 evil stuff Feb 14 17:49:58 3W LEDs can be mislabeled. Many makers put in a 3W LED, and run it at 1W, while labelling as 3W. Feb 14 17:50:53 i've got a 5W luxeon emitter, which will be placed on my bike :) Feb 14 17:51:04 You prolly want to go cree. Feb 14 17:51:06 who cares Feb 14 17:51:22 i guess it would be trivial to check Feb 14 17:51:26 80lm/W, compared to 40 or so for luxeon. To drag this sort-of-back on topic. Feb 14 17:51:37 if it runs on 1W, battery will last 3 times as long Feb 14 17:51:37 buz: not before purchase :( Feb 14 17:51:48 was cheap enough Feb 14 17:51:51 If it did have a camera. Feb 14 17:52:00 Then the LED would actually double as flash. Feb 14 17:52:01 friend of mine buys them in bulk Feb 14 17:52:18 I buy them from china :P Feb 14 17:52:20 dealextreme.com - insane. Feb 14 17:52:35 $5 for a 1W LED 1AA flashlight, with stainless steel case. Feb 14 17:52:58 OpenMoko.org is down Feb 14 17:53:13 er not anymore :) Feb 14 17:53:15 sorry Feb 14 17:53:16 It's not down, it's just resting. Feb 14 17:53:28 pining the fjords :) Feb 14 17:53:29 lol Feb 14 17:53:37 hehe Feb 14 17:53:40 correction: pining for the fields Feb 14 17:53:55 Pining for the phone? Feb 14 17:53:59 fjords, sorry Feb 14 17:54:03 for the* Feb 14 17:54:20 SpeedEvil: exactly Feb 14 17:58:21 thatwould be phining? :) Feb 14 17:59:37 duh. the wiki is down and i closed some pages Feb 14 17:59:47 anyone have a link to the openmoko local.conf for OE? Feb 14 18:03:11 hehe, did mediawiki DDOS it? :) Feb 14 18:04:15 LetoTo: I still have the page open Feb 14 18:06:34 i think, that one needs cluster to run mediawiki for such project :) Feb 14 18:07:22 so does anyone have screenshots of current gui? Feb 14 18:07:29 why'd the wiki get pulled down? Feb 14 18:07:31 pjz_ slashdotted Feb 14 18:07:34 pjz: overloaded Feb 14 18:07:35 ah Feb 14 18:08:01 obviously, ms doesnt want the word to get out Feb 14 18:08:15 it's what, mediawiki? Feb 14 18:08:20 running with mod_php I hope? Feb 14 18:09:19 This page has been accessed 2,651 times. main page on wiki Feb 14 18:09:19 no that much Feb 14 18:09:29 yes, moinmoin could serve the wiki from an openmoko phone, for mediawiki you would need a cluster :) Feb 14 18:09:29 s/no/not/ Feb 14 18:09:29 ynezz meant: not that much Feb 14 18:09:41 If I were FIC, I'd look into finding someone else to do the webhosting Feb 14 18:09:53 sourceforge ehehehe Feb 14 18:09:55 it's not their core competency Feb 14 18:10:05 nah, sforge is kinda lame lately Feb 14 18:10:16 "lately" Feb 14 18:10:30 and by lately I mean the last 5 yrs or so Feb 14 18:10:30 there you go Feb 14 18:10:46 but that *is* lately for some of us :) Feb 14 18:11:09 anyway, FIC should find some provider who is already doing mediawiki hosting Feb 14 18:11:23 they'll have the infrastructure to handle a slashdotting Feb 14 18:12:12 meanwhile I'm following the build instructions on the page of the wiki I got before it went down =) Feb 14 18:12:18 not even wiipedia itself can handle that Feb 14 18:13:40 really? is mediawiki that bad? Feb 14 18:13:49 ick Feb 14 18:14:01 well, what should you expect from PHP, I guess Feb 14 18:14:11 The wiki seems to work for me now Feb 14 18:14:35 yes, there are faster wikis Feb 14 18:14:37 been to wikipedia lately? Feb 14 18:15:51 * pjz wonders what it takes to set up a mirror Feb 14 18:17:34 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?name=moko&action=search Feb 14 18:21:10 pjz: don't complain too much, everything seems to be running again Feb 14 18:21:42 but yes, we need more scalable infrastructure soon. Feb 14 18:21:51 too centralized now (five boxes at one ISP) Feb 14 18:22:05 and we're already running memcached for mediawiki Feb 14 18:23:17 LaF0rge: what's the licensing on sjf2410-linux? Feb 14 18:23:59 clint: unclear, but freely distributable Feb 14 18:24:07 clint: it's not really needed anymore anyway Feb 14 18:24:08 LaF0rge: not complaining, just saying that if FIC is doing their own hosting they might want to look into outsourcing it Feb 14 18:24:22 pjz: I am doing all openmoko hosting now. Feb 14 18:24:26 I'd rather they focus on doing Neo work than on keeping mediawiki running Feb 14 18:24:28 LaF0rge: ah, nevermind then Feb 14 18:24:43 pjz: FIC would not even understand our insane demads ;) Feb 14 18:24:45 dmans Feb 14 18:24:49 demands, even Feb 14 18:25:00 "just install IIS" Feb 14 18:25:07 is qt2410_boot_usb used instead? Feb 14 18:25:16 LaF0rge: *laugh* okay, well, I just keep thinking I'd rather have you doing real dev work than sysadmin stuff Feb 14 18:25:20 clint: no, just openocd Feb 14 18:25:29 okay, thanks Feb 14 18:25:47 pjz: yes, if we could find reasonably skilled people with reasonable availability, that would all be solved. Feb 14 18:26:41 koen, that would be *pretty* insane Feb 14 18:27:01 parag0n: what would be? Feb 14 18:27:03 LaF0rge: define reasonably skilled and availability Feb 14 18:27:08 ah, IIS Feb 14 18:27:19 oot@hx4700:/var/lib/ipkg# ipkg install libmokoui0 openmoko-appmanager openmoko-chordmaster openmoko-common openmoko-contacts openmoko-dialer openmoko-finger-demo openmoko-footer openmoko-mainmenu openmoko-panel-battery openmoko-panel-clock openmoko-panel-demo-simple openmoko-session openmoko-simplemediaplayer openmoko-simplemediaplayer-dev openmoko-simplemediaplayer-doc openmoko-stylus-demo openmoko-stylus-demo-simple openmoko-taskmanager openmoko- Feb 14 18:27:19 Installing libmokoui0 (0.0.1+svn20070214-r1) to root... Feb 14 18:27:19 Downloading http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv5te/base/libmokoui0_0.0.1+svn20070214-r1_armv5te.ipk Feb 14 18:27:21 * pjz happens to be skilled an looking for work, actually :) Feb 14 18:27:51 oooh, ogg support out of the box Feb 14 18:27:53 what's BBT ? Feb 14 18:27:59 (not that I have oggs) Feb 14 18:28:18 koen: neat. take screenshots! Feb 14 18:28:28 cjb: will do Feb 14 18:28:30 flash videos hehehe Feb 14 18:28:35 with wink or some such Feb 14 18:28:45 wink doesn't run on arm Feb 14 18:28:52 koen, why not ipkg install ... on your neo? Feb 14 18:28:57 oh you're running it native Feb 14 18:29:14 mccarthy: because the neo hasn't arrived yet? Feb 14 18:30:09 koen, ahh. bummer. I forgot. Phase 0 got pushed back to "late" Feb ... Feb 14 18:30:17 bjz: bad block table Feb 14 18:30:43 koen, what will you be working on for the neo? Feb 14 18:30:54 just comed home, so let's build it Feb 14 18:31:22 mccarthy: openembedded integration, EABO Feb 14 18:31:31 i'm liking the look of this test port from the hardware developer POV Feb 14 18:32:48 Are there any docs? Feb 14 18:32:53 pinout? Feb 14 18:33:17 * SpeedEvil didd't find any direct ones. Feb 14 18:35:49 LaF0rge: ah, thanks. Feb 14 18:36:28 LaF0rge: I solved one EABI isssue with uboot, will look into the unwind error later Feb 14 18:37:03 LaF0rge: if it keeps failing I'll add a uboot-utils-native recipe to work around it Feb 14 18:37:07 SpeedEvil - For the s3c2410, there is a pinout docu, yes. Feb 14 18:42:03 I'm interested to see how they decide to do power mgmt Feb 14 18:42:27 at Agenda we kind of hacked in custom mechanisms Feb 14 18:42:47 though I wrote about 20% of an ACPI-compliant device driver for it Feb 14 18:43:05 since that seemed to be the only power mgmt spec I could find Feb 14 18:46:50 Copyright (C) 2006-2007 by OpenMoko, Inc how is that Inc ??? Feb 14 18:46:58 s/how/who Feb 14 18:49:04 finally Feb 14 18:49:13 Inc - incorporated Feb 14 18:49:26 screenshots: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ Feb 14 18:49:47 koen, OT: FWIW I did not have any problems with adding a new calendar either (in the latest gpe-calendar svn) Feb 14 18:49:59 mccarthy: hmmm Feb 14 18:50:00 weird Feb 14 18:50:22 maybe I will erase my db file and try again (did you have a pre-existing db?) Feb 14 18:50:30 Ok, last minute valentines ideas. Feb 14 18:50:32 Shoot! Feb 14 18:51:48 koen: nice, are you running it on your hx4700? Feb 14 18:51:56 koen, nope. that works fine too. 0.90 looks to work nicely to me. Feb 14 18:52:06 goxboxlive: yes Feb 14 18:52:14 koen, do you have ur unit already ? hence the screenshots Feb 14 18:52:23 rob_w: hx4700 Feb 14 18:52:28 ah ok Feb 14 18:52:45 i will try it on my universal too Feb 14 18:53:24 goxboxlive, that theming and widget style looks quite good Feb 14 18:53:51 * rob_w reads the theme wiki .. was waiting for one with good theming skills for long time Feb 14 18:54:55 yes it does Feb 14 18:56:25 5931 root 18 0 72156 37m 1636 R 8.4 62.4 0:29.01 openmoko-finger Feb 14 18:56:27 hmmm Feb 14 18:56:34 poor swapfile on the sdcard Feb 14 18:56:53 counter Feb 14 18:56:53 P0: 2 weeks 16:29:57 (8.687 - 14.687 days); P1: 30.687 - 45.687; P2: 198.687 - 228.687 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (327) Feb 14 18:57:10 koen, is already someting to pull via mtn now ? Feb 14 18:57:28 rob_w: yes Feb 14 18:57:50 org.openembedded.dev ? Feb 14 19:00:00 yes Feb 14 19:00:30 alrighto.. lets go Feb 14 19:01:07 * rob_w moves all other stuff on the side and pulls .. hopes the servers will stand it .. Feb 14 19:01:30 koen, did you specially prepare for this day in terms of servers and bandwith ? Feb 14 19:01:40 nope Feb 14 19:03:42 hehe Feb 14 19:07:13 how long it can take to build OE + openmoko ? Feb 14 19:07:46 mm, work to do tonight :) Feb 14 19:09:00 ok..maybe i will be a bit delayed, in 3 days i will have better connection to internet, so maybe it is wise to wait Feb 14 19:11:03 I'm trying to do a build (made a couple of small mods to hthe buildpage o the wiki even) Feb 14 19:14:58 http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/tags/openmoko/ Feb 14 19:15:34 koen that was a tease Feb 14 19:15:39 hrm, I don't have psycho installed Feb 14 19:16:34 thats evil, koen Feb 14 19:16:41 koen: bah, no pics tagged with openmoko yet :P Feb 14 19:17:12 2 Feb 14 19:18:51 mhh the feed reader must be able to download feeds for offline reading Feb 14 19:19:00 else my gprs bill will bankrupt me Feb 14 19:26:14 http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/openmoko-running-on-an-ipaq Feb 14 19:28:22 damn, you're fast working koen Feb 14 19:28:30 noidd: the power of OE Feb 14 19:28:54 build, upload, install, play Feb 14 19:29:22 very cool koen Feb 14 19:29:31 koen: I want that too :) on my Palm T|E2 Feb 14 19:30:01 hmm, i wonder if i can put linux on my palm T|X Feb 14 19:31:07 parag0n: you most likely can Feb 14 19:31:08 awesomez Feb 14 19:31:08 * LuitvD searches for some software Feb 14 19:31:08 http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/390413621/ is pretty neat for a demo Feb 14 19:31:08 parag0n: get Garux first :P Feb 14 19:31:19 what about an original T|T ? Feb 14 19:31:21 hehe Feb 14 19:31:56 parag0n: http://projects.linuxtogo.org/projects/palmtx/ Feb 14 19:32:09 Zer0HiT: http://trac.hackndev.com/palmtt Feb 14 19:33:35 for all of you interested in linux on palms try www.hackndev.com Feb 14 19:33:52 both: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SupportedHandheldSummary Feb 14 19:34:05 LuitvD: page you link me to seems to be a generic welcome page Feb 14 19:35:19 the trac pages are not well updated...try www, that is drual and a bit more frequently updated Feb 14 19:35:20 sorry Zer0HiT, trying to fix that Feb 14 19:35:20 mhh why is feedreader a stylus app Feb 14 19:35:20 seems kinda weird Feb 14 19:35:20 Zer0HiT: get Garux first, it's the bootloader :) Feb 14 19:35:28 Zer0HiT: to chainload into linux Feb 14 19:35:35 Zer0HiT: then you'll need a kernel Feb 14 19:35:55 sweet, i thank you both LuitvD and Magon Feb 14 19:36:31 i'll have to digg out my TT Feb 14 19:36:34 Zer0HiT: hack'n'dev and handhelds.org are the places to be :) Feb 14 19:36:45 Zer0HiT: you'll need an MMC card though... Feb 14 19:36:51 (or SD ofcouse) Feb 14 19:37:03 it is pain with SD cards Feb 14 19:37:41 Magon: try to repartition an SD card in windows XD Feb 14 19:37:46 just won't work Feb 14 19:38:41 LuitvD: try to get SD reader's driver to work...it have no docs Feb 14 19:40:02 i think i have MMC Feb 14 19:40:08 how much space should i need Feb 14 19:40:16 i think the one in there is old like 32mb or so Feb 14 19:40:30 Magon: It worked in linux, but creating 2 partitions on an SD card running Windows is impossible Feb 14 19:40:42 just went throuth look&feel and it have many semi transparent window Feb 14 19:40:56 LuitvD: i have not tried it in windows... Feb 14 19:41:01 Magon: see topic Feb 14 19:41:20 i was sad to see that note in topic Feb 14 19:41:39 Magon: you'd be better off not try, it's a waste of time :P Feb 14 19:42:10 are semi transparent windows a good idea? On a device that may be in sunlight Feb 14 19:42:19 koen: i know, but why to show everywhere transparents, when it actually cannot handle it Feb 14 19:44:18 Magon: marketing Feb 14 19:44:25 why shouldnt it be able to handle it? Feb 14 19:44:45 jeddy3_: it could, but would not make sense Feb 14 19:44:50 jeddy3_: read the hardware specs Feb 14 19:45:03 at least not on the first device Feb 14 19:45:13 i think the mockups were made by an art-guy, not a guy-who-knows-what-a-266mhz-arm-can-do Feb 14 19:45:27 or 300dpi is not your crt Feb 14 19:45:29 a 266 samsung which does the graphics as well Feb 14 19:46:00 kdrive can do transparency pretty well Feb 14 19:46:03 popping up a tranparent window over a static background isn't hard. Feb 14 19:46:05 not a real problem there Feb 14 19:46:07 yeah, but there are different approaches to "transparency" than hardware Feb 14 19:46:20 SpeedEvil, excactly Feb 14 19:46:30 you're not gooing to get windows over moving video. Feb 14 19:46:48 koen: it will be able of some sort of pseudo-transparency/ Feb 14 19:46:49 ? Feb 14 19:46:59 i still think it is too slow to do that Feb 14 19:47:05 is it me, or is the debian wiki down? :S Feb 14 19:47:20 Magon: no real transparency via xcomposite Feb 14 19:47:27 Magon, you don't have to blend it realtime Feb 14 19:47:27 Magon: It's only 480*640*16. Feb 14 19:47:37 mhh screenshot and blend that Feb 14 19:47:59 This is not a huge amount of data top process top popup a window Feb 14 19:48:11 its not like most apps will do hell a lot without any input from the user Feb 14 19:48:33 and if they freeze it's a feature. Feb 14 19:48:36 so we will try to get pseudo-transparency working Feb 14 19:48:41 SpeedEvil: exactly Feb 14 19:48:51 albeit it would help if they actually froze Feb 14 19:48:54 not just not get updated Feb 14 19:49:16 display new fs window of a copy of screen. Feb 14 19:49:21 paint on that Feb 14 19:49:40 yeah Feb 14 19:49:48 i think that's what Kompose did before composite worked Feb 14 19:50:16 the Neo has a Wolfston codec right? Feb 14 19:50:30 http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/products/WM8753/ Feb 14 19:51:36 buz: thnx :) Feb 14 19:51:49 i was just look ing at the page ;) Feb 14 19:51:51 my palm has a wolfston codec too :P Feb 14 19:52:02 just realized that Feb 14 19:52:06 i wonder if one can abuse that one as a more general AD converter Feb 14 19:52:11 luitvd: s/t// Feb 14 19:52:12 parag0n: http://www.mem0.com/static.php?page=install-tutorial <- The tutorial for installing the latest Linux version on your Palm TX Feb 14 19:52:28 LaF0rge: sorry :P Feb 14 19:52:58 thanks denis^da Feb 14 19:53:04 hello Feb 14 19:53:14 no problem parag0n Feb 14 19:53:37 I've noticed to screenshot of the neo, and why are there two speakers inside the phone? Feb 14 19:53:58 so it can go to 11 Feb 14 19:54:09 parag0n: If you want to read sth about the status you can look at the following page: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/PalmTXStatus Feb 14 19:54:28 jebba, go where? Feb 14 19:55:16 * rwhitby wakes up to a new day, and notices source and wiki are there. Feb 14 19:55:23 rgl, nevermind. kind of obscure reference. But i'm guessing it has two so it sounds good :) Feb 14 19:55:36 11 IS louder then 10 Feb 14 19:55:41 rwhitby: and large parts committed :) Feb 14 19:55:58 I was just looking at the OE commits RSS feed from CIA ... Feb 14 19:56:01 aargh, the GPE image for the T3 is a .squashfs file... :S Feb 14 19:56:08 koen, ya, what should MACHINE= and DISTRO= be now? Feb 14 19:56:19 * buz wonders why one would use a stylus for a feedreader Feb 14 19:56:30 koen: how long do you think till it will build? Feb 14 19:56:44 jebba: doesn't really matter, since there are no neo's out there yet :) Feb 14 19:56:55 rwhitby: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/openmoko-running-on-an-ipaq Feb 14 19:57:08 rwhitby: to answer your question: -2 hours :) Feb 14 19:57:18 :-) Feb 14 19:58:11 is hx4700 vga? Feb 14 19:58:45 buz: count the pixels :) Feb 14 19:59:02 buz: it is Feb 14 19:59:21 koen: it doesn't run all that well on 240x320 yet.. Feb 14 19:59:38 pH5: magician? Feb 14 19:59:45 yup. watch scap :) Feb 14 19:59:52 koen: 624 MHz... /me wants... Feb 14 20:00:05 intel mhz... Feb 14 20:00:12 lol Feb 14 20:02:09 :) Feb 14 20:03:45 buz is right about that Feb 14 20:03:57 the only reason it's fast is the 200MHz memory bus Feb 14 20:04:52 damn those new imate line sure is schweeet Feb 14 20:05:02 thats what neo v2 should look like ;) Feb 14 20:05:17 counter Feb 14 20:05:17 P0: 2 weeks 15:21:33 (8.640 - 14.640 days); P1: 30.640 - 45.640; P2: 198.640 - 228.640 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (328) Feb 14 20:06:09 pH5: not as bad as I thought Feb 14 20:25:27 is there anyway to get firefox to download a whole site for offline reading? I need to catch the bus in one hour to get to work ... Feb 14 20:25:43 you could use wget? Feb 14 20:25:47 alias firefox=wget Feb 14 20:27:27 wget --no-check-certificate works Feb 14 20:27:52 perhaps openmoko needs to put up daily exports of the wiki Feb 14 20:28:05 to avoid dozens of people spidering :) Feb 14 20:28:26 openmoko on HTC Universal is up running :-) Feb 14 20:29:23 can someone help me with fixing error? Feb 14 20:29:28 if only the universal wasnt such a humongous device Feb 14 20:29:30 bitbake produce this Feb 14 20:29:30 ERROR: Exception:bb.MalformedUrl Message:${OPENMOKO_MIRROR}/src/target/${OPENMOKO_RELEASE}/artwork;module=images;proto=http Feb 14 20:29:34 ERROR: Printing the environment of the function Feb 14 20:29:36 ERROR: ${OPENMOKO_MIRROR}/src/target/${OPENMOKO_RELEASE}/artwork;module=images;proto=http while parsing /opt/openembedded/openmoko/trunk/oe/packages/openmoko-base/openmoko-common_svn.bb Feb 14 20:30:51 goxboxlive: Universal has 640x480? Feb 14 20:31:20 yes Feb 14 20:31:39 it looks very nice. Feb 14 20:32:58 goxboxlive: hmm, means another device on my need-to-get-for-hacking list. :) Feb 14 20:33:22 goxboxlive: That means you start work on libgsm now? Feb 14 20:33:51 yes i think you should :-) I am about to buy a A780 now, but they are hard to get. Everone on Ebay.de refuse to sell outsuide of germany Feb 14 20:33:57 sorry for that error....i had bad enviroment variables..i updated them in config, but forgot about updating them in term Feb 14 20:34:02 I think pH5 and cr2 are on it Feb 14 20:35:16 goxboxlive: right. A780 is hard. A1200 should be easier. Feb 14 20:36:06 I think A1200 is for sale here in Norway (but it lacks GPS), but A780 where never sold up here. Feb 14 20:36:44 goxboxlive: ah, gps is a point. But only europe versions have gps anyway. Feb 14 20:37:02 htc universal looks sort of like a zaurus phone - if there was such a thing Feb 14 20:37:12 I know, last week i bought one from Denmark, but it was the asian version. I have allready sold it Feb 14 20:37:21 heh Feb 14 20:37:26 cbpage: if only there would be, I'd love it Feb 14 20:37:42 hmm, just looking at gsmd... would it be possible to attach a 3G device via USB and use it? Feb 14 20:37:48 * stefan_schmidt has a a780 with gps here. But I use it for day-by-day stuff until neo is finished. Feb 14 20:38:05 like, using an external GSM 3G module... Feb 14 20:38:22 LuitvD: Try it and report. :) Feb 14 20:38:38 stefan_schmidt: I can't :P don't have a Neo Feb 14 20:38:41 I wish I had.. Feb 14 20:39:10 LuitvD: Ah, you mean attach 3G device on the*neo* Feb 14 20:39:19 yeah Feb 14 20:39:24 or just openmoko... Feb 14 20:39:26 I guess... Feb 14 20:40:03 (anyway, I don't have a 3G modem anyway... but since the Neo can't do EDGE and HSDPA...) Feb 14 20:40:25 I wish there was a linux based phone for CDMA, or even CDMA CF card Feb 14 20:40:52 summatusmentis: CDMA? Feb 14 20:41:09 isn't that pre-2.5G? Feb 14 20:41:14 LuitvD: obsolete technology used in the US, .au and .jp Feb 14 20:41:17 LuitvD: yeah, in the US :-/ it's the only cell service I get in rural ME Feb 14 20:41:33 koen and summatusmentis: ah, okay... Feb 14 20:42:06 * LetoTo still needs to sell his gsm/wifi parawireless phone running a "proprietary linux OS" :) Feb 14 20:42:32 but I've thought about buying a neo, when it comes out, just to play with, but that probably won't happen Feb 14 20:42:43 Ah, this finally explains the loop thing on the Neo! what you do is hold it upside down and then you can use RFC1149 to get out onto the net! Feb 14 20:43:13 it has been baffling me for ages :) Feb 14 20:43:19 LetoTo: hi, nice to meet you again. Sorry for not being at you ccc talk. I had a meeting with Harald and Mickey at this time. Feb 14 20:44:03 stefan: s'okay. the talk is online if you're interested Feb 14 20:44:11 oeh, I like openmoko's power on/off images :) Feb 14 20:44:47 LetoTo: I already saw it. :) Feb 14 20:45:23 LetoTo: Some interesting bits. Do you had a more in deep technical talk with the cryptophone guys? Feb 14 20:46:35 we chatted afterwards. the CEO is really cool Feb 14 20:46:59 they think we'll hit some latency issues Feb 14 20:47:11 I know how to optimised on the data to data calls Feb 14 20:47:25 people who designed and implemented that are from Amsterdam :) Feb 14 20:47:55 * LetoTo hopes that wifi will be the main usage of his neo anyway :) (dreaming) Feb 14 20:48:12 LetoTo: why not calling ? Feb 14 20:48:23 LetoTo: wishful thinking? or is the neo gonna have wifi now? Feb 14 20:48:27 LetoTo: it has no wifi Feb 14 20:48:31 magon: the project is about creating a phone that only does encrypted calls Feb 14 20:48:32 i hope to be lucky and get oe working properly Feb 14 20:48:36 buz: yet Feb 14 20:48:52 LetoTo: so need to use wifi and voip? Feb 14 20:48:55 gprs has a crappy latency that will be hard to use for crypted voip calls over iespc Feb 14 20:48:56 ipsec Feb 14 20:49:06 LetoTo: how about GSM data Feb 14 20:49:10 lol Feb 14 20:49:14 * Psi_ notices website Feb 14 20:49:14 LetoTo: only option is GSM call Feb 14 20:49:24 holy popularity, batman Feb 14 20:49:28 magon: yup. planning to put pjsua on it (cmdline sip client) Feb 14 20:49:50 magon: yeah gsm data call is another option. not sure how a ppp/ipsec overhead would be Feb 14 20:49:56 hows latency in umts Feb 14 20:49:58 I'll find out once we implement it Feb 14 20:50:01 cant be too bad if they run videocalls Feb 14 20:50:01 same Feb 14 20:50:06 no Feb 14 20:50:15 well, video display is different from interactive video talks Feb 14 20:50:21 great..building first package..1.5h of configuring oe and downloading basic staff Feb 14 20:50:22 they will do "push to talk" Feb 14 20:50:36 i think you can do face-to-face videocalls right now Feb 14 20:50:50 at least thats what the telco guys tried to sell me Feb 14 20:51:01 (not that it is actually useful in any way) Feb 14 20:51:18 Uploading screenshots using Openmoko on universal : http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ Feb 14 20:51:20 do you think it is wise to checkout head version of svn? Feb 14 20:51:52 buz, are you sure that was not using 3G? Feb 14 20:51:54 [paul@bofh openmoko]$ bitbake nano Feb 14 20:51:54 Traceback (most recent call last): Feb 14 20:51:54 File "/usr/bin/bitbake", line 27, in ? Feb 14 20:51:54 import bb Feb 14 20:51:54 File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/bb/__init__.py", line 71, in ? Feb 14 20:51:54 from bb import msg Feb 14 20:51:56 ImportError: cannot import name msg Feb 14 20:52:03 guess one shouldnt use bitbake 2.6.4 Feb 14 20:52:16 RevTig: umts is 3g Feb 14 20:52:30 buz: isn't umts 2.75G? Feb 14 20:52:34 :P Feb 14 20:52:39 it ain't exactly 3G Feb 14 20:52:40 goxboxlive: thanks Feb 14 20:52:41 i think edge is 2.75G Feb 14 20:52:49 HSDPA is 3G Feb 14 20:52:55 LADSPA Feb 14 20:52:58 I did not think the Neo had UMTS Feb 14 20:52:59 HSDPA is 3G+ no? Feb 14 20:53:04 RevTig, it doesn't Feb 14 20:53:06 RevTig: it has no Feb 14 20:53:06 t Feb 14 20:53:07 euh? Feb 14 20:53:36 lol HSDPA is 3.5G according to wikipedia Feb 14 20:53:52 i think UMTS is what is generally considered plain 3G Feb 14 20:54:11 EDGE is 2.75G, UMTS is 3G Feb 14 20:54:13 Ah, sorry I have mixed up postings, I thought Buz was on about GSM data which was why I was getting baffled when he was talking about video calls :) Feb 14 20:54:36 and HUDPA is 3.75G i think Feb 14 20:54:53 HSUPA = 3.75G Feb 14 20:55:04 ah yes Feb 14 20:55:06 high speed uplink packet access Feb 14 20:55:11 those acronyms are getting to hard Feb 14 20:55:19 :P Feb 14 20:55:25 then wimax is 4G or what Feb 14 20:55:33 i guess technically its not 4G Feb 14 20:55:38 lol, practically Feb 14 20:55:52 technically we are in stone age Feb 14 20:56:04 4G = UMB, UMTSr8 and WiMAX Feb 14 20:56:52 technically, i have umts here Feb 14 20:56:55 is wimax going to be used for cell networks in the future? Feb 14 20:56:59 practically i go bankrupt when i use it Feb 14 20:57:14 i hope someone besides a plain old telco will roll out wimax here Feb 14 20:57:20 at home, I can recieve up to HSDPA :) Feb 14 20:57:21 then maybe we'll actually get to use it Feb 14 20:57:33 that is... if I'd have a device that supports 3G+ Feb 14 20:57:52 so where does China's 4G stuff fit in? I doubt it is a standard anywhere else Feb 14 20:58:34 they're skipping to WiMAX and LTE before even trying HSDPA and HSUPA Feb 14 20:58:53 and UMB by the way Feb 14 20:58:53 well it will depend just how much huawei will charge for the antennas Feb 14 20:59:31 i have builded gcc toolchain in advance..but used wrong arm..so i have to do that once again from scratch Feb 14 21:29:22 So quiet here. Feb 14 21:29:38 Everyone's reading and no one is chatting :-) Feb 14 21:29:56 my head is bleeding from ramming it against the wall while trying to use bitbake :P Feb 14 21:29:57 don't encourage them Feb 14 21:32:12 awfully quiet on the devel mailinglist as well Feb 14 21:32:28 given the noise the java people made I'd thought they'd have somethine by now Feb 14 21:32:51 there's a "sign up, developers!" somewhere? Feb 14 21:33:33 i'm interested in "developing" packages Feb 14 21:33:56 thresh: www.openembedded.org Feb 14 21:34:30 or if you want to write openmoko apps: https://lists.openmoko.org/mailmanlistinfo/openmoko-apps Feb 14 21:34:37 koen: I thi nk ou have wait for a ready java until 2008, or do it yourself. ;) Feb 14 21:34:41 only if ruby is supported :) Feb 14 21:35:25 * stefan_schmidt just starts to jump into wiki and starts some builds over the night. Feb 14 21:36:38 mmh Feb 14 21:36:53 Has there been info on the "Hacker's Lunchbox" Sean mentioned? Feb 14 21:37:11 stefan_schmidt: funnily enough the java people are conforming to my prejudices Feb 14 21:38:01 koen: Hey, they use java, that means they have no idea how to configure the stuff a level lower. *caught* Feb 14 21:38:40 stefan_schmidt: more like 'ignorant, lazy loudmouths' Feb 14 21:38:45 sad, but true Feb 14 21:38:55 just to make sure i understand this... i need openembedded compiled to be able to wirte/compile apps for openmoko? or is there some shortcut? Feb 14 21:39:05 s/wirte/write/ Feb 14 21:39:05 rep meant: just to make sure i understand this... i need openembedded compiled to be able to write/compile apps for openmoko? or is there some shortcut? Feb 14 21:39:14 you don't 'compile openembedded' Feb 14 21:39:56 yes sorry - i meant - using openembedded to compile the crosscompiler and other packages for the om distribution Feb 14 21:40:07 yes Feb 14 21:40:44 so the "bitbake openmoko-devel-image" is required for every individual developer? Feb 14 21:41:10 right now, yes Feb 14 21:41:29 okay thanks - i had the feeling i misunderstood something Feb 14 21:42:22 once my svn stops complaining about some ssl lib version mismatch i hope the bake process finishes... Feb 14 21:45:28 but that command fails for me Feb 14 21:45:47 LetoTo: so you have to fix it Feb 14 21:46:06 * LetoTo thanks koen for his advise :P Feb 14 21:48:53 the mockups use a lot of transparency, i hope that the neo has enough processing power for that eye-candy Feb 14 21:49:02 why do i only see a mokoslug.conf in conf/distro ? Feb 14 21:49:10 ahh Feb 14 21:49:11 ok Feb 14 21:49:17 so you really do need bitbake svn Feb 14 21:49:23 1.6.4 isnt good enough Feb 14 21:50:57 hi, I'm browing around the openmoko site, and there is no reference to any binary blob, everything seems GPL with sources. Did I miss something? :) Feb 14 21:51:27 guerby: the agps software is non-free, but everything else is free. Feb 14 21:52:51 cjb, interesting thanks! Any idea of why the GPS stuff has special status? Feb 14 21:52:55 i miss the long waited conf/distro/openmoko.conf Feb 14 21:53:33 guerby: it is a software-assisted GPS, and there is not yet free software to do the same task. Feb 14 21:53:37 rob: Feb 14 21:53:39 MACHINE = "fic-gta01" Feb 14 21:53:39 DISTRO = "openmoko" Feb 14 21:53:53 BUILD_ARCH = `uname -m` Feb 14 21:54:11 guys... is there a openmoko emulator, or something else Feb 14 21:54:15 ? Feb 14 21:54:17 * koen wonders why BUILD_ARCH needs to be set according to FIC Feb 14 21:54:27 kbral: what do you need an emulator for? Feb 14 21:55:08 we needa wiki page "how to compile openmoko for desktop" :) Feb 14 21:55:28 cjb, ok it doesn't matter much (most GPS are just closed boxes, mine is a small bluetooth one I use it with my Nokia N800), would the vendor give the spec if someone wanted to develop the needed software? Feb 14 21:55:32 openmoko for desktop ? Feb 14 21:55:42 guerby: I don't know. Feb 14 21:56:01 gpe-image ? Feb 14 21:56:28 This debug board is really sweet. I need one. Anyone know if one will come with p0 phones? Feb 14 21:56:41 which debug board? Feb 14 21:57:09 i wonder what maps are available for neo Feb 14 21:57:12 for gps stuff Feb 14 21:57:17 * thresh needs moscow. Feb 14 21:57:46 cjb: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debug_Board Feb 14 21:58:08 LetoTo, again i dont have a conf/distro/openmoko.conf ? how can this work ? Feb 14 21:58:40 sorry for the questions... i'm looking for openmoko wiki Feb 14 21:58:41 i dont have that either. i have local.conf with the contents i just told you Feb 14 21:58:51 kbrai: wiki.openmoko.org ? Feb 14 21:59:11 stefan_schmidt: iirc the 'lunchbox' includes it Feb 14 21:59:20 master koen , tell me why i cant find a conf/distro/openmoko.conf ?? Feb 14 21:59:34 rob_w: because you haven't read the wiki? Feb 14 22:00:04 man , i do it , but still i cant get the reason .. i believe in this logic .. sorry Feb 14 22:00:10 koen: right, but is the lunchbox included? Feb 14 22:00:20 stefan_schmidt: it should be for p0 Feb 14 22:00:25 that's what I've been told Feb 14 22:00:43 yay Feb 14 22:00:51 koen: fine Feb 14 22:00:57 koen: what is the lunchbox? Feb 14 22:01:03 koen: I hoped so, but was not sure. We will see. Feb 14 22:05:28 ohh the openmoko logo is a little person Feb 14 22:05:33 not a pacman thingee Feb 14 22:05:35 :) Feb 14 22:06:55 LetoTo: :-) Feb 14 22:08:03 qmake, bitbake, mtn... wild things :) Feb 14 22:08:39 * LetoTo looks at his build chucking away Feb 14 22:08:52 mtn: misuse: layout of database /home/kero/OpenEmbedded/OE.mtn doesn't match this version of monotone Feb 14 22:09:01 now i need to start one to produce native binaries for my desktop Feb 14 22:09:19 kero: you need monotone 0.32 Feb 14 22:09:30 Kero, get mtn-0.32 Feb 14 22:09:47 debian unstsable has 0.31 Feb 14 22:09:59 fedora is stuck there too Feb 14 22:09:59 how bleeding edge do I need to go? :) Feb 14 22:10:13 all the way baby :) Feb 14 22:10:19 what do you epect on release day #1 Feb 14 22:10:21 :) Feb 14 22:10:29 "experimental" Feb 14 22:12:11 mtn: connecting to monotone.openembedded.org Feb 14 22:13:02 (and then what, network is suspiciously inactive...) Feb 14 22:13:11 so export BBPATH will rule with its exports and their order .. interesting Feb 14 22:13:46 Kero, stay confident Feb 14 22:14:02 some output; ok :) Feb 14 22:17:55 mm, how to tell a gtk-app (totally unrelated to OE) to use the (OE) theme from .gtkrc-2.0 ? It read the file, since it complained about the dir on first run... Feb 14 22:18:14 Noooo Feb 14 22:18:16 patching file gcc/config/i386/i386.c Feb 14 22:18:16 Hunk #1 FAILED at 1502. Feb 14 22:18:16 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file gcc/config/i386/i386.c.rej Feb 14 22:18:16 Applied patch patches/gcc-4.1.1-pr13685-1.patch (forced; needs refresh) Feb 14 22:18:16 NOTE: dropping user into a shell, so that patch rejects can be fixed manuall Feb 14 22:18:19 darn :P Feb 14 22:21:46 mmh i keep getting this damn svn error... i start believing it's related to the om-svn-server... SSL negotiation failed: SSL disabled due to library version mismatch (https://svn.openmoko.org) Feb 14 22:21:59 does someone have a little hint for me? Feb 14 22:22:11 i recompiled svn and its deps already Feb 14 22:22:43 eww. the .rej file is DOS Feb 14 22:23:45 laugh. the rej is on a comment for code for P-III's :P Feb 14 22:29:13 * alphaone is excited about the calendar. Feb 14 22:29:37 The one on my Sony Ericsson sucks big tim Feb 14 22:29:38 e Feb 14 22:29:42 leto: can you please retry now? Feb 14 22:29:58 leto: I've disabled the 'SSLCipherSuite HIGH' in the apache config Feb 14 22:30:55 LaF0rge - If I see some inconsistencies in the source, should I file a bugtilla-bug, or what? Feb 14 22:32:07 elrond: e.g. what kind of inconsistency? Feb 14 22:32:26 elrond: if there's a clear fix, submit a patch to the apropriate list Feb 14 22:32:54 LaF0rge - The PM module for gps: Some parts let me believe, that a pin is wierd somewhere, some others let me believe, it's not. Feb 14 22:33:11 s/wierd/wired/ Feb 14 22:33:12 Elrond meant: LaF0rge - The PM module for gps: Some parts let me believe, that a pin is wired somewhere, some others let me believe, it's not. Feb 14 22:33:31 There is a most likely fix. Feb 14 22:33:45 But as I don't know the hw... ;) Feb 14 22:35:04 LaF0rge: still SSL negotiation failed - or wasn't this related to my problem (you adressed leto)? Feb 14 22:37:47 hi Feb 14 22:37:53 rep: sorry, I meant you. I've now changed the url's in the bbfiles to http instead of https Feb 14 22:37:53 LaF0rge: The mirror requirements are 300GB? Feb 14 22:38:06 alpha: until end of 2007, that's a reasonable prognosis Feb 14 22:38:20 alpha: every release comes with ~10GB of sources alone Feb 14 22:38:23 LaF0rge: thanks! Feb 14 22:38:45 alpha: we don't want to rely on upstram projects to provide their sources. Feb 14 22:39:18 alpha: their linsk break every so often. only by providing all source tarballs ourselves, we can guarantee that our OE releases always build Feb 14 22:39:29 hm Feb 14 22:39:30 alpha: plus, the actual binary packages have to have source packages for GPL requirements Feb 14 22:40:04 what's the number of projects used in? Feb 14 22:40:28 like, how many opensource projects are already used? Feb 14 22:40:52 LaF0rge: got uboot checkout - runs fine Feb 14 22:40:58 thresh: I don't have a number, but a lot. I'm not the OE/distribution expert in this project Feb 14 22:41:06 rep: ok, thanks for testing Feb 14 22:41:10 alphaone: Need more disk on debian.tu-bs.de? Feb 14 22:41:23 LaF0rge: Hmm, okay. We'll have to see whether we can mirror that Feb 14 22:41:25 alphaone: Perhaps we just buy just a new hdd for it Feb 14 22:41:33 well, it doesn't sound too much for 10 gig... we've preparing a git repository for each of ours packages in distro i use Feb 14 22:41:45 stefan_schmidt: Hmm Feb 14 22:42:03 alpha: we don't need the space now, but I'm just indicating that we assume it will grow up to that by the end of 2007 Feb 14 22:42:36 alpha: And I'm sure we could offer to buy the disk, if that was the problem. Feb 14 22:42:41 alphaone: Or your own machine? debian.tu-bs.de have 1GB instead your 100mbit. :) Feb 14 22:42:43 10G seems excessive, my entire portage tree is only 12GB and that is several versions of every package installed on it, including all of KDE and Gnome Feb 14 22:43:15 /dev/hdc6 272G 192M 258G 1% /children3 Feb 14 22:43:22 LaF0rge: Is a german mirror interest at all? Feb 14 22:43:26 our buildhost ran out of space jsut by creating source code packages Feb 14 22:43:27 guess i have space for a mirror :) Feb 14 22:43:45 LaF0rge: and you're not archiving it? Feb 14 22:43:52 git has a nice packing mechanism Feb 14 22:44:11 what's a proper OE/build/conf/local.conf for neo? i.e. MACHINE and DISTRO ? (and what's with ASSUME/PREFERRED_PROVIDERS ?) Feb 14 22:44:17 thresh: we _need_ to archive to assure old builds still build Feb 14 22:44:29 LaF0rge: The problem is since ATekoN bought new switches for our network we don't have too much money to spend. Feb 14 22:44:31 LaF0rge: i mean, are they packed with gzip or something? Feb 14 22:44:47 LaF0rge, is it tarball+patches or complete source trees? Feb 14 22:45:14 i love git for storing history in patches, kinda saves a *lot* of space Feb 14 22:45:20 source tarballs that OE needs _plus_ source packages that OE generate :) Feb 14 22:45:37 kero: Feb 14 22:45:43 looks like oe build system looks not so good Feb 14 22:45:47 MACHINE = "fic-gta01" Feb 14 22:45:47 DISTRO = "openmoko" Feb 14 22:45:47 BUILD_ARCH = `uname -m` Feb 14 22:45:56 LaF0rge: atm we have ~120GB free on debian.tu-bs.de Feb 14 22:46:02 git rocks! Feb 14 22:46:07 i should repack more often though Feb 14 22:46:12 thresh: Even if it would be 20GB, diskspace is cheap Feb 14 22:46:23 we use git for openswan now (git.openswan.org) Feb 14 22:46:24 sounds like you need something similar to portage, where it builds the source trees on request Feb 14 22:46:47 *at client side Feb 14 22:46:57 stefan_schmidt: well, true. Feb 14 22:47:11 alpha: guess that would do for some time at least. Feb 14 22:47:13 puddingpimp_work: The stuff needs to be archived to garantuee a build Feb 14 22:47:48 LetoTo: it can't guess BUILD_ARCH? :) Feb 14 22:48:01 stefan_schmidt, but if you archive every used tarball and a patch history to get to any given state, then you can guarantee a build Feb 14 22:49:30 Kero: dontshoot the messenger :P Feb 14 22:49:37 puddingpimp_work: True, but why should you bother at all. Just store a know state of it when building it. Diskspace is just cheap. Feb 14 22:49:56 stefan_schmidt, ok, but bandwidth isn't :P Feb 14 22:50:31 puddingpimp_work: heh, that depends. We have 1GB flat here. university. Feb 14 22:51:02 bandwidth is reaosnablycheap these days too :P Feb 14 22:51:22 LaF0rge: If you send me the details we can setup a mirror. Feb 14 22:51:55 LetoTo, depends on where you live, and if you count time as an asset, If I'm on 8M dsl it will take many hours to fetch 10GB of data (admittedly I probably don't need most of it) Feb 14 22:51:55 LetoTo: I'll shoot much more :) no openmoko.conf in org.openembedded.dev/conf/distro/ Feb 14 22:52:04 * Shoragan starts configuring the logical volumes Feb 14 22:52:22 kero: i dont have one either Feb 14 22:52:23 LetoTo: but I guess now is a good time to reconsider what I'm trying to achieve... Feb 14 22:52:25 guess it's normal Feb 14 22:52:32 LaF0rge: and I think the FeM guys have already started addin templating support to mailman. Feb 14 22:52:42 Ah, it's fine seeing Shoragan and alphaone work again. Not only learning. :) Feb 14 22:52:44 They ran into the same problem some time ago Feb 14 22:52:49 stefan_schmidt: :-) Feb 14 22:55:39 so, is there any (graphical) application but those three demo apps in openmoko itself? (finger, stylus, sylus simple) Feb 14 22:57:18 counter Feb 14 22:57:18 P0: 2 weeks 12:29:31 (8.520 - 14.520 days); P1: 30.520 - 45.520; P2: 198.520 - 228.520 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (329) Feb 14 22:57:31 Oh! Feb 14 22:58:39 BTW, what is the planned release date for openmoko, my Ngage died today and I need a new phone :( Feb 14 22:58:58 puddingpimp_work, september is mass market Feb 14 22:59:11 rob_w, when can I buy a dev unit? Feb 14 22:59:20 counter Feb 14 22:59:21 P0: 2 weeks 12:27:29 (8.519 - 14.519 days); P1: 30.519 - 45.519; P2: 198.519 - 228.519 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (330) Feb 14 22:59:23 puddingpimp_work: march Feb 14 22:59:58 rob_w, I don't really care if it fully works as long as I can make phone calls ;) I guess I'm going to have to buy a cheap phone in the meantime Feb 14 23:16:13 LaF0rge: have you guys approached OSUOSL about hosting mirror space for openmoko? That's where nslu2-linux.org lives. Feb 14 23:27:07 hmm its' compiling gcc twice? Feb 14 23:27:44 native and cross Feb 14 23:29:07 my native compile wasnt good enough to build a cross compiler ? :P Feb 14 23:32:29 LetoTo: The whole embedded business lives from well known states. :) Feb 14 23:38:57 mmh okay i tried to find the problem myself - but i don't get it... package gta01-kernel-2.6 it wants to fetch the patches but complains about not being able to find revision 11 Feb 14 23:39:55 i already tried the bb files but i am not quite into OE/bitbake - at least until now... Feb 14 23:43:58 hmm my compile is still running. but i have to go have dinner now. damn :P Feb 14 23:44:06 and i didnt run it from a screen Feb 14 23:44:39 ctrl+z =) Feb 14 23:44:45 then hibernate the machine Feb 14 23:49:13 i want it to keep going :P Feb 14 23:49:29 It's my desktop. as long as it doesnt see more rej files that requires human interaction Feb 15 00:20:34 Saving to: `/usr/local/movies/openmoko/sources/linux-2.6.17.14.tar.bz2' Feb 15 00:20:43 ok, time to leave my compile alone for the rest of today :P Feb 15 00:26:40 :-) Feb 15 00:36:13 rep: SRCDATE is wrong Feb 15 00:36:50 rep: somehow the preferred_version for gta01-kernel doesn't seem to get respected in your setup Feb 15 00:38:10 That asound.state is *huge*.. Feb 15 00:39:34 LaF0rge: i fixed it the dirty way by falling back to a patches archive - for now... any idea where i could find the source for that problem? Feb 15 00:41:10 hrm Feb 15 00:41:27 anyone know why mokodesktop.c:(.text+0x48): undefined reference to `mb_util_get_homedir' Feb 15 00:41:30 ? Feb 15 00:47:18 Full error message at http://pastebin.ca/356360 Feb 15 00:55:48 Huh. Is OpenMoko a company? Feb 15 00:56:02 no. openmoko is a software stack. Feb 15 00:56:02 from the source: Feb 15 00:56:04 * (C) 2006-2007 by OpenMoko, Inc. Feb 15 00:56:18 ah, hrm. good point. Have to ask them about that. Feb 15 00:56:33 anyone got a hint about http://pastebin.ca/356360 ? Feb 15 01:01:56 OpenMoko, Inc. is a spin off of FIC Feb 15 01:06:55 there also is a company, yes Feb 15 01:07:16 a legal body to represent the project Feb 15 01:08:26 counter Feb 15 01:08:26 P0: 2 weeks 10:18:24 (8.429 - 14.429 days); P1: 30.429 - 45.429; P2: 198.429 - 228.429 (long: "/msg aloril counter?") (331) Feb 15 01:08:43 (neo1973-unrelated) I'm trying to make gsmd work with an option globetrotter gprs card Feb 15 01:09:08 any hints why my build might have failed? http://pastebin.ca/356360 is the failmsg Feb 15 01:09:40 it's not exactly a phone but I think it's following gsm07.07 Feb 15 01:10:40 the first problem, after commenting out ticalypso's initialization commands, is that I don't get a PIN event and I must enter the PIN manually (either using atcmd or by modifying shell to add a new command) Feb 15 01:10:44 any ideas? Feb 15 01:11:00 and sorry for asking neo-unrelated questions on the first day :) Feb 15 01:27:50 night all Feb 15 01:29:57 night stefan_schmidt Feb 15 01:30:45 night Feb 15 01:38:18 LaF0rge: did you see my note about OSUOSL? We've got some contacts there that might help you get a mirror site there. Feb 15 02:29:53 how would I go about compiling the openmoko gui on my desktop? Feb 15 02:36:34 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/How_to_run_OpenMoko_Apps_on_PC Feb 15 02:43:41 hrm, it seems to want the ipkg headers Feb 15 02:45:57 wah. lost my connection to my house. now i cant watch my openmoko build anymore Feb 15 02:52:09 joebird: so what does src/target/OM-2007 signify? Feb 15 02:52:20 is that the same code that bitbake has checked out? Feb 15 02:57:56 LetoTo: I believe it is: svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Feb 15 02:59:57 2007