**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 07 02:59:57 2007 Mar 07 03:10:00 * rwhitby catches bus from city to airport and back ... Mar 07 03:11:29 * newmedian catches cold from bloody freezing temperatures in Toronto Mar 07 03:23:02 * don-o has 2 hours left in openembedded checkout Mar 07 03:23:34 pain. Mar 07 03:35:27 woo! I'm up to the common libx11-X11R7.1-1.0.1 breakage! Mar 07 03:41:19 anyone with a debug board around? Mar 07 03:56:03 pjz: missing xau package or something? Mar 07 03:56:30 or failure in fetching the package? Mar 07 03:56:34 aevin: yeah, exactly. It seems to be looking under i686 instead of i486 Mar 07 03:56:43 aevin: missing xau package Mar 07 03:57:09 pjz: I'm having the same problem here. Mar 07 03:59:01 pjz: like this, right? http://rafb.net/p/KnTADt59.html Mar 07 03:59:40 aevin: yeah, see line 5? I think that's wrong Mar 07 04:00:00 aevin: b/c that's checking i686 instead of armv4t-linux Mar 07 04:01:34 last 2 nick count records: 270 2007-02-26 276 2007-03-06 23:54:54 Mar 07 04:03:08 what was that, aloril? Mar 07 04:04:23 pjz: but we're building it for i686 architecture, as specified in your /home/moko/build/conf/local.conf Mar 07 04:05:46 aevin: oh? you seem to be trying to build home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-linux/libx11-X11R7.1-1.0.1-r4/temp/log.do_configure.9976. Note the armv4t-linux part Mar 07 04:06:15 mine says /home/pj/moko/pcmoko/build/tmp/work/i486-linux/libx11-X11R7.1-1.0.1-r4/temp/log.do_configure.30362. Note the i486-linux part Mar 07 04:06:40 so I'm betting your build/conf/local.conf doesn't say x86 in it Mar 07 04:06:56 aevin: count of nicks in this channel Mar 07 04:07:16 aloril: and the numbers? Mar 07 04:07:21 ah Mar 07 04:07:22 nm :) Mar 07 04:07:41 aloril: are you logging them for future statistics? Mar 07 04:08:30 aevin: just telling that there has been peak interest after P0 was shipped (and arrived at least once already) Mar 07 04:16:59 wow, where would I mod PKG_CONFIG_PATH if I wanted to!? Mar 07 04:18:19 Is Qemu a good idea for testing apps, or should I try Xoo ? Mar 07 04:18:19 apg88: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Mar 07 04:22:39 pjz: i tried to set $PKG_CONFIG_PATH in the moko/setup-env file (which gets loaded before building), but i had no success. Mar 07 04:25:10 after the building fails, there's no variable $PKG_CONFIG_PATH set... Mar 07 04:26:08 * rwhitby returns from airport, after learning that DHL had lied to him on the phone and the package is out with the courier >>>:-| Mar 07 04:26:54 * rwhitby stabs DHDL Mar 07 04:27:05 and DHL as well, just for good measure. Mar 07 04:27:06 yes.. Mar 07 04:27:12 article about "Fixed Mobile Convergence" and "Fixed Mobile Substitution" that mentions OpenMoko http://www.wirevolution.com/2007/03/06/13/ Mar 07 04:27:13 is DHL the only shipping option? Mar 07 04:27:14 konrad__: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Mar 07 04:27:25 bother. Mar 07 04:27:47 rwhitby: problewm Mar 07 04:27:51 problems? Mar 07 04:28:20 * newmedian hates DHL Mar 07 04:28:26 * rwhitby does now too Mar 07 04:28:45 anyway, I'm sure I'll be much happier in less than half an hour ... Mar 07 04:28:58 oops Mar 07 04:29:00 :P Mar 07 04:29:56 it's here :-) Mar 07 04:30:15 oooh Mar 07 04:30:16 rwhitby: cool Mar 07 04:30:35 pjz: i tried copying the xau.pc from ....tmp/staging/??/share/pkg-config/ to ....tmp/staging/??/lib/pkg-config (which is default in $PKG_CONFIG_PATH ) Mar 07 04:31:51 i guess this shouldnt be necessary so something might be wrong, but it seemed to help. now it complains about another package (xdmcp.pc) missing though (i only copied xau.pc).. Mar 07 04:31:59 right Mar 07 04:32:17 like I said, it's looking in the wrong arch's share/pkg-config dir Mar 07 04:32:30 only 16 mins left of battery. i better save this problem for later. Mar 07 04:32:35 yes. Mar 07 04:33:11 rwhitby: O Clueful One, spare us a moment to debug the X11 problem? I know what the problem is, I'm just not sure where/how to fix it. Mar 07 04:33:30 there are more .pc files in the share/pkg-config than lib/pkg-config , need to edit the $PKG_CONFIG_PATH :-) or copy them over :-( Mar 07 04:35:46 yeah, need to figure out how to get target into that path Mar 07 04:46:26 ETel report, OpenMoko mentioned only briefly at end: http://herot.typepad.com/cherot/2007/03/etel_why_let_we.html Mar 07 05:02:47 i met the problem also, did it be fixed? Mar 07 05:35:57 anybody know how much disk space /home/moko will take up after running the MokoMakefile? Mar 07 05:37:47 gabaug: maybe 7GB Mar 07 05:38:10 jesus...that needs to be stated on the wiki :) Mar 07 05:38:41 | checking for arm-linux-pkg-config... no Mar 07 05:38:41 | checking for pkg-config... /home/sbox/moko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin/pkg-config Mar 07 05:38:41 | checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes Mar 07 05:39:02 | checking for X11... Package xau was not found in the pkg-config search path. Mar 07 05:39:22 X117.1 building reports error Mar 07 05:45:40 does any one build successful with the latest version of MokoMakefile? Mar 07 05:59:15 openmoko: 03jiang_li * r1256 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-simplemediaplayer/beep/ (main.c mainwin.c): This commit modify the code to ensure that only one instance of simple mediaplayer exists. Mar 07 06:05:19 Yay, my Neo is in Cologne! Mar 07 06:07:35 how many have received Phase 0 phone? at least 3 I think Mar 07 06:09:57 started http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Chat_log though most of it will be here too Mar 07 06:10:24 (nothing new there now) Mar 07 06:26:55 once 'make openmoko-devel-image' finishes, then what? Mar 07 06:30:57 don-o: then you can use it with devirginator, or you can rebuild with MACHINE=x86 for xoo or MACHINE=qemuarm for qemu Mar 07 06:32:52 what would you recommend? Mar 07 06:33:15 who can tell me what means of mtn in openmoko at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_OpenMoko_from_scratch_%28pre-BBT%29 Mar 07 06:33:37 ping_tu: That's the monotone command Mar 07 06:34:12 i install montone, i do mnt command, OS cant find this command Mar 07 06:34:28 mtn Mar 07 06:34:34 ping_tu: you have ubuntu? Mar 07 06:34:35 yes Mar 07 06:34:35 Should be there Mar 07 06:34:40 yes Mar 07 06:35:08 ubuntu has an old version in repositories that will not work anyways Mar 07 06:35:20 install the deb from the monotone project Mar 07 06:35:29 ping_tu: use mokomakefile, and install monotone > 0.27 Mar 07 06:35:52 OK,i try it Mar 07 06:35:57 I used this one http://monotone.ca/downloads/0.32/ Mar 07 06:36:08 version .33 will not work Mar 07 06:36:14 * rwhitby wonders why people try http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_OpenMoko_from_scratch_%28pre-BBT%29 before MokoMakefile ... Mar 07 06:36:17 peepsalot: yes it will now Mar 07 06:36:32 oh ok, cool. sorry about that Mar 07 06:36:40 rwhitby: should i stop the openmoko image build in order to start the X86 build? Mar 07 06:37:03 (the Makefile falls back to the latest OE version available, and then you may need to mtn db upgrade from there if there has been a change in the db format) Mar 07 06:37:23 don-o: up to you - would be good to get a known good build first. Mar 07 06:37:53 rwhitby: well if its crosscompiling for the neo CPU, id rather skip that part and build something I can use with Xoo Mar 07 06:38:10 rwhitby: where does the MACHINE=x86 config go? Mar 07 06:38:21 don-o: in build/conf/local.conf Mar 07 06:41:48 rwhitby: maybe there should be some comment about "easier to use MokoMakefile" or something Mar 07 06:46:47 rwhitby: how is the P0 device? Mar 07 06:48:00 it's in pieces at the moment Mar 07 06:48:57 connecting it up to the debug board Mar 07 07:16:13 openmoko: 03ken_zhao * r1257 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard/gtk-2.0/gtkbutton: Mar 07 07:16:13 openmoko: fix bug 228: Mar 07 07:16:13 openmoko: openmoko-stylus-demo and openmoko-appmanager runs OK. Mar 07 07:16:13 openmoko: contacts still crashes. Mar 07 07:34:31 i do sudo cat > file < sudo cat > filename < EOF Mar 07 07:39:18 according to DHL page my neo should be in Poland today Mar 07 07:39:34 mine arrived today :) Mar 07 07:40:32 lucky you Mar 07 07:40:34 it's probably quicker to send within Asia-Pacific I imagine Mar 07 07:42:47 (CL) Phone idea with all kind of stuff in it running OpenMoko (target $1,275): [ http://www.embedded-computing.com/departments/embedded_perspective/2007/03/ The Phone of Next Tuesday] (this sounds like a 'joke' ;-) Mar 07 07:43:02 bluelightning: that brings Phone 0 in wild at least up to 4 now Mar 07 07:43:42 the Aussies have theirs by now too I should imagine? Mar 07 07:51:24 rwhitby received his nearly 3 and a half hours ago in Adelaide, .au Mar 07 07:52:04 so he should be able to show it off at the next LinuxSA meeting (last meeting they had an OLPC demo) Mar 07 08:02:47 Mine's in hanover now. That's only 90km away :-) Mar 07 08:04:30 Leipzig, Germany -> Poznań, Poland should be few hours Mar 07 08:07:22 no napewno :p Mar 07 08:10:03 ynezz: skoro tak mówisz ;D Mar 07 08:16:12 amarsh04: yep, definatelty at next LinuxSA meeting, with debug board and all Mar 07 08:17:49 * rwhitby has remote usbnet connectivity to the neo which is now installed in the lab at work Mar 07 08:19:26 rwhitby: now all you need is an IP-enabled robotic arm to press the power button when necessary ;) Mar 07 08:19:41 thanks rwhitby Mar 07 08:19:52 nope, I have a serial controlled relay box, which will power a powered hub Mar 07 08:20:04 nice Mar 07 08:20:19 since the battery life is only 2 hours, that's the most I would need to wait if I can't reset it through jtag Mar 07 08:20:35 took some pictures - will upload after the kids go to bed Mar 07 08:22:10 * bluelightning is running MokoMakefile "make setup" atm Mar 07 08:26:30 More P0: http://gburt.blogspot.com/2007/03/open-devices.html Mar 07 08:27:19 hey koen Mar 07 08:34:13 http://www.flickr.com/photos/rwhitby/ Mar 07 08:37:24 rwhitby: OT, but is your vantec drive case "live" when it's powered and not plugged into the USB (can be felt by running your hand over the case)? Mar 07 08:37:34 openmoko: 03alex_tang * r1258 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-messages/src/ (callbacks.c main.c main.h): Mar 07 08:37:34 openmoko: Add get_model_number to get current folder's message number. Mar 07 08:37:34 openmoko: Add search key word initializtion. Mar 07 08:37:47 hey rwhitby Mar 07 08:37:53 bluelightning: yes, it is Mar 07 08:38:06 hi koen Mar 07 08:38:10 hey hrw Mar 07 08:38:15 interesting, I figured it was a model defect... I returned two in that condition Mar 07 08:38:18 hi koen Mar 07 08:38:25 hey bluelightning Mar 07 08:38:29 bluelightning: I don't expect it to spin down. Mar 07 08:38:57 rwhitby: not so much the spinning down thing as the being electrified thing... Mar 07 08:39:20 the case floats at about 90VAC above earth ground Mar 07 08:39:30 * rwhitby 's neo settles in nicely amongst his other embedded devices: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rwhitby/413452216/ Mar 07 08:39:58 bluelightning: oh, dunno about that. I never go much near that rig - it's all controlled remotely. Mar 07 08:40:26 ah ok Mar 07 08:40:36 lots of gadgets there :) Mar 07 08:40:38 You need a Gumstix, rwhitby ;-) Mar 07 08:40:46 daxxar: want to send me one? Mar 07 08:41:17 I wish :-P Mar 07 08:41:37 My only model is in a home-made box under a stairwell across the country, acting as a router Mar 07 08:45:14 my aim is to have full remote control of jtag, serial console, power, webcam (to see the screen), bluetooth, ethernet, etc Mar 07 08:47:04 * amarsh04 was busy with a long overdue addition of a KDE menu entry for running "Skyroads" under DOSbox for 2 younger members of the household Mar 07 08:47:49 Ah, I remember that Mar 07 08:48:20 good photos rwhitby Mar 07 08:50:20 rwhitby: What Mar 07 08:50:42 's that huge grey thing with a floppy drive? Mar 07 08:50:57 HP Logic Analyser Mar 07 08:51:36 Ah, ok :) Mar 07 09:02:41 * rwhitby adds his "Slug Central" photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/rwhitby/sets/72157594574980824/ Mar 07 09:07:03 openmoko: 03caowai_song * r1259 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-keyboard/src/matchbox-keyboard-ui-xft-backend.c: Remove unnecessory debug message. Mar 07 09:10:28 !info Mar 07 09:10:33 !help Mar 07 09:10:58 * Beltz looks up openmoko on the google Mar 07 09:12:44 http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=244 Mar 07 09:12:46 right, beltz Mar 07 09:12:51 any one can help? Mar 07 09:15:25 Readon: firstly, it should be reported against Bitbake/OE recipes Mar 07 09:15:53 and it has nothing to do with MokoMakefile (it happens with straight bitbake commands too) Mar 07 09:18:11 why openmoko must use the latest version of OE? Mar 07 09:18:20 why not using a stable one? Mar 07 09:18:34 Readon: it will when openmoko is released Mar 07 09:18:42 Readon: see the first few lines of MokoMakefile if you want to freeze. Mar 07 09:18:42 Readon: it is currently a developer toy Mar 07 09:18:55 XorA: don't feed the trolls... Mar 07 09:19:16 koen: if you feed them past daylight they turn into stone Mar 07 09:21:24 XorA: which daylight? :D Mar 07 09:21:55 Readon: ignore koen, he's unable to do level 1 support in a community channel. Mar 07 09:22:26 funny, when harald said "guitar pick" I thought that was just the name for a special tool, not an actual guitar pick :) Mar 07 09:22:30 hrw: localtime Mar 07 09:22:46 bluelightning: it works perfectly though, doesn't it! Mar 07 09:22:59 rwhitby: yeah Mar 07 09:23:23 it has a funky looking face on it too Mar 07 09:23:37 if only I'd learnt guitar, a whole lot of other devices I own wouldn't have screwdriver marks around the joining edges ... Mar 07 09:25:00 rwhitby, i will try it Mar 07 09:25:39 Readon: no guarantee it will solve your libx11 problem. Mar 07 09:28:53 at least it would be a chance Mar 07 09:34:17 Beltz: Mar 07 09:34:22 faq? Mar 07 09:34:23 See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ Mar 07 09:35:00 There's two of you :-) Mar 07 09:36:49 hehe, this one is much slower though (on 128x128 pixel device, Neo1973 will be quite update ;-) Mar 07 09:40:48 cjb: I saw you had problems starting the OpenOCD last night? Have you been able to solve this? Mar 07 10:00:25 damn - I've lost connection with the Neo (which is at work), and can't get it back again. Oh well, I'll need to set up remote power control on the hub tomorrow to fix that. Mar 07 10:01:05 * rwhitby wonders if there is a linux command which can be sent to a hub to power cycle it's ports ... Mar 07 10:03:05 hmm - maybe I'll still be able to program the ftdi eeprom on the debug board and get openocd working ... Mar 07 10:06:35 rwhitby: managed switch ;) Mar 07 10:08:26 guaqua: huh? I can get to the host the neo is connected to, but the cdc ethernet device is not coming up for usb0 Mar 07 10:09:17 rwhitby: Any way to trigger a power outage in your general region? :-) Mar 07 10:10:04 rwhitby: okay, nm then :) Mar 07 10:10:15 i was thinking network Mar 07 10:11:53 alphaone: since it's at my workplace, not really :-) Mar 07 10:12:39 so.. what do i put in the "splash" partition in the nand? Mar 07 10:12:56 balrog-kun: have you built devirginator? Mar 07 10:13:08 rwhitby: nope, i'm flashing with u-boot Mar 07 10:14:14 balrog-kun: devirginator creates a splash.gz file Mar 07 10:14:31 oh ok Mar 07 10:15:05 i was using prebuilt images, i guess splash is not critical :) Mar 07 10:16:31 M�rz 07, 2007 09:42 Hannover - Germany in Auslieferung durch Kurier Mar 07 10:16:33 Yay! Mar 07 10:16:36 I think the splash screen should have a THX kindof animation Mar 07 10:16:51 with somebody open an "access door" to the inside machinery Mar 07 10:17:08 THX as in the ones around ~2000 Mar 07 10:17:29 March 07, 2007 10:02 Edinburgh - UK With delivery courier Mar 07 10:17:35 hehe Mar 07 10:17:38 yay so it will be in depot tomorrow Mar 07 10:18:36 oh ok, devirginator doesn't force me to build all the images from scratch, nice Mar 07 10:18:42 *compiles* Mar 07 10:19:26 anyone reprogrammed the ftdi eeprom on the debug board yet? Mar 07 10:20:12 mine will be here in 3-4 hours :) Mar 07 10:20:26 rwhitby: i don't think too much people got and broke it already :)) Mar 07 10:21:03 heh - mine's not broken, but perhaps I can power cycle it if I can get into u-boot, and that might kick cdc ether into action Mar 07 10:23:05 btw for anyone who tries to open the device, I found the top clip to be quite difficult to unlatch even with the help of the pick, so be careful (assuming you'd rather not break it) Mar 07 10:24:14 bluelightning: yeah, me too. Looks like if you push inward with the pick it might help. Mar 07 10:24:23 (to unhook the catch there) Mar 07 10:25:01 rwhitby: yeah that probably would have worked... I just wiggled the cover sideways (gently) until it came free Mar 07 10:25:37 if I get time, I'll write up a howto like this one: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/OpenTheCase Mar 07 10:27:36 I must try the pick or something similar on my IPAQ sleeve with the dodgy power connector... I had figured it impossible to open without destroying the case, but maybe there is hope Mar 07 10:31:56 yo Mar 07 10:32:10 morning Mar 07 10:32:17 mickey|austria, ping Mar 07 10:32:32 pvanhoof: mickeyl is offline during this week Mar 07 10:32:35 ok Mar 07 10:32:35 good morning Mar 07 10:32:39 hey florian Mar 07 10:32:56 hrw, is mickey|austria mickey@openmoko.com? Mar 07 10:33:03 pvanhoof: yes Mar 07 10:33:05 okay :) Mar 07 10:33:16 Is sean@m.. here? ;) Mar 07 10:33:18 hmm... good point Mar 07 10:33:23 pvanhoof: sean? no Mar 07 10:33:36 Okay, well I spoke them at FOSDEM about meeting at KC Mar 07 10:33:43 pvanhoof: we don't have a bb file for modest yet, right? Mar 07 10:33:46 kc? Mar 07 10:33:51 a bb file? Mar 07 10:33:55 hrw, kernel concepts Mar 07 10:33:56 bitbake recipe Mar 07 10:34:02 :) Mar 07 10:34:08 so i basically wanted to check on that :) Mar 07 10:34:20 florian, you happen to know when such a meeting would take place? Mar 07 10:34:42 because I would have to plan that a little bit ;) if it does take place of course Mar 07 10:35:12 florian, I don't know whether or not we have a bb file for modest Mar 07 10:35:33 I know dirk-jan is creating private packages :) Mar 07 10:35:40 pvanhoof: i guess for us it would be quite flexible to arrange :) Mar 07 10:35:40 but releasing will take a few months Mar 07 10:35:52 Also note that modest is by far usable :) Mar 07 10:36:05 it does crash and it doesn't let you configure the account and ... Mar 07 10:36:06 :p Mar 07 10:36:26 pvanhoof: what about the status of the "normal" gtk ui? Mar 07 10:36:31 the demoui? Mar 07 10:36:43 yes well, it doesn't crash :) else it's definitely a tinymail bug too Mar 07 10:36:51 pvanhoof: no, the modest one... it used to be way more stable than the maemo ui Mar 07 10:36:57 ah I see Mar 07 10:37:01 yes that one is more stable Mar 07 10:37:13 but also no account configuration stuff (anymore) Mar 07 10:37:21 they are replacing this with something more generic I think Mar 07 10:37:48 florian, but you don't have any info on that planned meeting? Mar 07 10:37:59 pvanhoof: ah right Mar 07 10:38:12 pvanhoof: no, but i can ask later Mar 07 10:38:16 ok Mar 07 10:38:57 I moved the summary model from using glist to gptrarray Mar 07 10:39:04 it now sorts very fast on large folders too, Fletch Mar 07 10:39:05 err florian Mar 07 10:39:05 :) Mar 07 10:39:15 sorry Fletch , for waking you up Mar 07 10:39:23 :-) Mar 07 10:39:39 pvanhoof: that's cool, fast sorting rocks Mar 07 10:39:53 I still have one or two reeaaally strange race conditions in case a huge amount if IDLE events happen Mar 07 10:40:04 like removals and additions Mar 07 10:40:18 it's reproducable only if you use mailsync on huge folders :) Mar 07 10:40:38 huge is 3000 or 30000 or 300000? Mar 07 10:40:38 I also have incrementally filling the view while downloading is taking place working Mar 07 10:40:42 30000 Mar 07 10:41:00 but atm that is done as a hack, but the mailsync stuff (race) might happen in that case too Mar 07 10:41:14 as it's happening in the model and view code Mar 07 10:41:31 (it would reuse the same infrastructure) Mar 07 10:42:03 however, incrementally filling would be useless because there's only one connection supported atm Mar 07 10:42:09 so you would see it being filled up Mar 07 10:42:25 but starting to use the imap server for something else would have to wait on a lock Mar 07 10:42:41 so I basically have to enable a second connection too Mar 07 10:42:54 maybe something some kernel concepts guys want to take a look at, florian ? :D Mar 07 10:43:26 However, all that is short term planning Mar 07 10:43:53 long term, a filtering infrastructure, one implementation for sieve and one for .mailfilter on the imap server Mar 07 10:43:59 etc etc, a lot :) Mar 07 10:44:04 rwhitby, actually it won't Mar 07 10:45:43 * rwhitby starts writing ftdi-eeprom_0.2.bb ... Mar 07 10:54:28 does anybody remember name of a package that has fig2dev on their system? Mar 07 10:56:22 oh "transfig", it's listed in the wiki Mar 07 11:06:47 my Neo is in Poznań ;) Mar 07 11:08:46 so there's a L.A.S.E.R. in the stylus ? and a ballpoint pen? Mar 07 11:09:00 aevin: and a white LED light too Mar 07 11:09:12 aevin: FM radio and DVB-T also Mar 07 11:09:23 ynezz: haha Mar 07 11:09:27 dvb-c once again left out :( Mar 07 11:10:09 ynezz: no V8 then? Mar 07 11:10:37 i'm 99% sure the stylus is this http://cgi.ebay.com/4in1-PDA-Stylus-LED-Light-Torch-Laser-Pointer-Pen-h7_W0QQitemZ280089656134QQihZ018QQcategoryZ48677QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Mar 07 11:11:19 buz: definitely looks like it Mar 07 11:11:45 i wonder if you can replace the ink for the pen? Mar 07 11:12:09 and charge it over usb Mar 07 11:12:33 buz: yes, it's a little metal insert Mar 07 11:12:50 aevin, it should be chargeable over BT! Mar 07 11:12:56 remains the question just where you could get replacements Mar 07 11:13:02 * rwhitby is not too happy with the way the stylus point wobbles around when touching the screen. Mar 07 11:13:23 inz: yeah! ;-) Mar 07 11:13:35 rwhitby: a bit of careful glue padding in the end of the pen would probably fix that Mar 07 11:17:28 somehow i doubt glue works very well on moving pens ;) Mar 07 11:20:11 * CoreDump|afk i pretty certain his "pen" will only be used as stylus. And to annoy people w/ the laser pointer of course =) Mar 07 11:21:07 rwhitby: you should give feedback about the less-than-ideal stylus. It is a cheap item to replace ;) Mar 07 11:21:28 i still think stylus should live inside the phone Mar 07 11:21:57 buz: well, In a perfect world yeah =) Mar 07 11:21:58 yep Mar 07 11:21:59 CoreDump|afk: I don't really want to be seen to be complaining in the first 24 hours ;-) Mar 07 11:22:23 rwhitby: we got the phones partly to give constructive feedback ;) Mar 07 11:23:52 ~lart DHL for beeing so damn slow Mar 07 11:23:53 * apt beats DHL severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken for beeing so damn slow Mar 07 11:24:02 ~botsnack Mar 07 11:24:02 CoreDump|afk: thanks Mar 07 11:25:50 dhl once managed to put no less than 5 typos in my address Mar 07 11:25:56 yet still delivered the package Mar 07 11:26:00 buz: =D Mar 07 11:26:04 thanks to barcode Mar 07 11:26:29 courier took package Mar 07 11:26:50 i think thanks to humans being able to still parse broken addresses Mar 07 11:27:29 (i know the original address was correct, the shipping documents had it on it) Mar 07 11:27:47 I do not give proper address outside Poland. always strip national chars from it Mar 07 11:27:55 ah well i do that too Mar 07 11:28:04 for fun Mar 07 11:29:54 hrw: same for me in finland. that stray � is impossible to comprehend for the systems Mar 07 11:29:56 dhl today made me go all the way to the airport to find out that the parcel actually did make it onto the last courier run >:-| Mar 07 11:30:06 bah Mar 07 11:31:24 At least they didn't stab you with huge brokerage fees by designating a broker without your consent, like DHL does in Canada. Mar 07 11:33:19 I've had couriers leave parcels that *required* a signature tucked away next to my bin... in front of my house Mar 07 11:33:36 ... my answer to that, no signature? it never arrived. Mar 07 11:33:37 =) Mar 07 11:35:51 NEO TIME =D Mar 07 11:36:10 Can't touch this. Mar 07 11:36:55 * CoreDump|afk needs a converter for these funnny amrican power plugs Mar 07 11:39:44 hmmm I got the flexible cable bot no debug board :) Mar 07 11:40:15 CoreDump|afk: Look again. fluffs was hidden Mar 07 11:40:48 ohhhh Mar 07 11:40:58 in the pouch Mar 07 11:41:09 heh Mar 07 11:41:10 indeed :) Mar 07 11:41:32 poor dwery didn't get a debug board with his neo, and he's the kernel RTC subsystem maintainer :-( Mar 07 11:42:05 oh Mar 07 11:42:13 I will have to get the cool case. I wonder if they sell it separately. Mar 07 11:42:27 Sad :-( Mar 07 11:42:29 alphaone: which case? Mar 07 11:42:49 Openmoko bomb squad Mar 07 11:42:51 (dwery == Alessandro Zummo) Mar 07 11:43:05 the case looks and feels very nice Mar 07 11:43:14 Don't take it to Boston ;) Mar 07 11:43:21 Heh :-) Mar 07 11:43:47 newmedian: Nah, as long as I don't have LEDs on it I should be fine :-) Mar 07 11:44:13 rwhitby: If he feels he need one he could ask to get one with the working phone. Mar 07 11:44:37 is there a website where everyones posting pics of there p0 neos? Mar 07 11:45:16 btw, SN #153 ;) Mar 07 11:45:30 CoreDump|afk: sweet Mar 07 11:46:49 Psi: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rwhitby/ shows mine. Mar 07 11:47:00 * Psi looks Mar 07 11:48:04 the text on that screen looks nice and small Mar 07 11:48:21 Psi: it does Mar 07 11:48:56 i have an application planned and with the phone able to display that many lines if will make my app work better Mar 07 11:49:03 if=it Mar 07 11:49:52 Psi: it has VGA in portrait Mar 07 11:50:02 yeah Mar 07 11:50:29 jesus Mar 07 11:50:33 i dont think we really grasp what vga on a screen that small really looks like Mar 07 11:50:36 best - screen - ever Mar 07 11:50:42 well. atleast.. until now :P Mar 07 11:51:08 it's unbelievable and I'm used to goot PDA screens Mar 07 11:56:08 CoreDump|afk: ;D Mar 07 11:56:09 My Zaurus C3000 has a vga screen Mar 07 11:56:18 Ycros: shitty vga screen Mar 07 11:56:35 Ycros: the C3000's screen is however like two-times larger than the noes Mar 07 11:56:43 Ycros: zaurus sl-6000 has best Zaurus screen Mar 07 11:57:03 CoreDump|afk: ah. Mar 07 11:57:11 hrw: fair enough Mar 07 11:57:19 I'm still quite impressed by it Mar 07 11:57:31 Ycros: its same screen as in c700 line Mar 07 11:57:43 Ycros: indeed. The clamshell zauruses and the 6000 have very goog screens Mar 07 11:58:15 Bus 002 Device 029: ID 0525:a4a2 Netchip Technology, Inc. Linux-USB Ethernet/RNDIS Gadget Mar 07 11:58:16 * Ycros prefers clamshell devices Mar 07 11:59:53 my co-workes will have a damn hard time wiping _that_ grin out of my face today =) Mar 07 11:59:57 Psi: at flickr Mar 07 12:00:16 huh? Mar 07 12:00:32 phase0 photos Mar 07 12:02:58 root@fic-gta01:~ =D Mar 07 12:05:11 the default splash in devirginator is cute :) Mar 07 12:10:46 CoreDump|afk, :) Mar 07 12:13:45 * CoreDump|afk is off to work Mar 07 12:31:50 NEO! Mar 07 12:32:02 :) Mar 07 12:32:16 1973! Mar 07 12:33:00 hrw, good luck with the red pill :) Mar 07 12:33:09 dmesg anyone? :) Mar 07 12:33:59 it isn't on wiki either, so it might be ok to put it for example under kernel topic Mar 07 12:34:03 Is it an white pill with orange stripe, or a black and silver pill :) Mar 07 12:34:12 black of course Mar 07 12:34:14 yeah, dmesg :) Mar 07 12:34:21 "the silver lining" Mar 07 12:34:30 [[Wishlist:Neo1973 P0 Review]] Mar 07 12:34:52 Assorted reviews and desires for information from new owners. Mar 07 12:35:14 ok :) Mar 07 12:35:30 * xkr47 apologizes for the bad "silver lining" parallell Mar 07 12:35:41 http://shadowdane.shackspace.com/cats_files/shower.jpg is the direct link. Mar 07 12:35:46 Err, no it's not. Mar 07 12:36:01