**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 08 02:59:57 2007 Mar 08 03:15:16 openmoko directory size is 8.7 GB after build. How can i delete unnecesssary files ? make clean return no target found Mar 08 03:21:27 empty_mind: see wiki page for rm_work Mar 08 03:28:29 evening all Mar 08 03:30:07 hello all Mar 08 03:32:23 nobody speaks in here? Mar 08 03:32:23 LINCMAN: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Mar 08 03:32:38 Quiet at the moment. Mar 08 03:32:42 most are asleep Mar 08 03:32:43 ok Mar 08 03:32:58 busier earleier and later Mar 08 03:33:05 I just have to say that I think this project is so great Mar 08 03:33:26 :) Mar 08 03:33:44 can't wait to see what happens with it Mar 08 03:34:01 speed, are you one of the lucky 36? Mar 08 03:34:09 The wiki is a good place to wander round. Hardware has gone out to some devs, and no. Mar 08 03:34:46 yea I have read it from cover to cover Mar 08 03:35:15 just thought I would tune in here to see what goes on Mar 08 03:35:39 LINCMAN: where you from? Mar 08 03:35:49 Los Angeles, CA Mar 08 03:38:18 I really want to see what happens with this because I know my treo650 has several more months left in it Mar 08 03:39:05 and there is no way I am going to get a treo with WM on it Mar 08 03:39:33 palmos was great but I think its dead Mar 08 03:40:19 treo650 here too Mar 08 03:41:00 I consider it the benchmark Mar 08 03:42:11 I have no doubt that the open community can make something much better usining linux Mar 08 03:43:19 only thing I will miss is the keyboard Mar 08 03:44:48 but I think this concept has a much better chance of having great apps made for it Mar 08 03:49:03 ok well I guess if everyone is not gonna talk I guess I am out Mar 08 03:50:24 there are various ideas for inputting text fast Mar 08 03:54:31 how come nobody talks here Mar 08 03:56:11 there are various ideas for inputting text fast Mar 08 03:56:16 (while you were away) Mar 08 03:56:26 this time of day is usually quiet though Mar 08 03:56:36 what time is better? Mar 08 03:56:56 I guess its the middle of the night in eu Mar 08 03:57:09 is most of the dev group in the eu? Mar 08 03:57:14 about 6AM here Mar 08 03:59:13 where is here aloril? Mar 08 04:00:34 LINCMAN: Finland Mar 08 04:01:05 5AM in where many other developers in Europe live Mar 08 04:01:06 aloril, what are the other input methods? Mar 08 04:01:26 I am in California, US Mar 08 04:01:59 LINCMAN: I'll collect links and paste link to link page a bit later Mar 08 04:02:08 thank you Mar 08 04:02:18 is it on the main .org site somewhere? Mar 08 04:02:47 some maybe, looking Mar 08 04:02:50 dont want to have to do work that is already out there Mar 08 04:04:12 http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=244 Mar 08 04:04:49 the code is still not compilable Mar 08 04:05:12 I was just curious what they were thinking for input Mar 08 04:06:18 would you like to change xorg version back to 7.0? i want but i don't know how.... Mar 08 04:06:30 readon are you one of the lucky 36? Mar 08 04:13:21 CM: it was counter_msg, but now counter_set also works (ie.. now your command works): Mar 08 04:13:27 counter_set P0: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/neo1973/ Mar 08 04:13:27 aloril changed counter prefix message to P0: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/neo1973/ Mar 08 04:13:29 counter Mar 08 04:13:30 P0: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/neo1973/ P1: 3 weeks, 3 days 07:46:30 (24.324 +-7.0 days) (see faq) (499) Mar 08 04:13:59 no Mar 08 04:14:17 i just compile the openmoko myself Mar 08 04:15:04 this is current input method: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Input_Method Mar 08 04:23:43 counter Mar 08 04:23:43 P0: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/neo1973/ P1: 3 weeks, 3 days 07:36:16 (24.317 +-7.0 days) (see faq) (500) Mar 08 04:23:50 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List#Text_input there are these ideas too Mar 08 04:24:24 some people were talking about mini bluetooth keyboards(size of credit card) that would be another possibility Mar 08 04:24:50 or regular size BT keyboard Mar 08 04:25:39 I think the regular sized bluetooth keyboards are good. they can be folded Mar 08 04:29:27 wouldn't it be cool if someone made a vmware image of a distro with all the OpenMoko development software installed and ready to go? Mar 08 04:31:20 i think it would be cool, but maybe most people prefer to develop in their native OS Mar 08 04:49:52 (CL) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Text_Input Mar 08 04:50:51 good work aloril Mar 08 04:52:03 first section probably should have its own page + actual instructions/links to pages to get those things Mar 08 04:54:51 another option could be Morse code, to make use of that one buton we get ;-) Mar 08 04:54:56 need to add 2 entries to FAQ: about text input and audio routing Mar 08 04:55:09 peepsalot: hehe, feel free to add it Mar 08 04:58:28 yeah, i sorta want to add it, but seems too silly Mar 08 04:58:39 * peepsalot doesn't even know Morse code Mar 08 04:59:07 that finger splash idea is pretty interesting. hadn't seen that before Mar 08 04:59:11 peepsalot: not really, there was competition between using 2 morse code experts and 2 teenagers using mobile phones Mar 08 04:59:20 guess who won? ;-) Mar 08 04:59:59 hehe, yeah but I bet the morse code experts had more hours under their belts than the teenagers on their mobile phones Mar 08 05:00:33 well, i'll add it just for the hell of it Mar 08 05:01:27 peepsalot: yes, but teenagers were not newbies and they were allowed to use shortcuts too Mar 08 05:01:54 peepsalot: wish list side though, because there is no software currently to support that ;-) Mar 08 05:03:48 strange, the hardware wiki page does not seem to mention this button at all Mar 08 05:36:48 (CL) last two nick count records on this channel (count, date): 276 2007-03-06 23:54:54; 283 2007-03-07 (full list at http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Chat_log ) Mar 08 05:38:13 lots of people on not talking Mar 08 05:39:35 how many folk in here are the lucky 36? Mar 08 05:41:20 nobody? Mar 08 05:41:26 at least 7 (and, no I'm not one) Mar 08 05:47:39 ok now I know I am a geek when I get the sixfeet underbar Mar 08 05:55:29 so what is the best way to follow whats goin on with the project Mar 08 05:57:06 hang here, read the mailling lists, read the wiki Mar 08 05:57:34 another option could be Morse code, to make use of that one buton we get ;-) Mar 08 05:57:40 there are two buttons Mar 08 05:57:54 for data entry? Mar 08 05:57:55 and neither are suitable for using as a key to enter morse code Mar 08 05:58:03 seems spam bloggers have discovered openmoko, now google blog search results in many spam blog entries too Mar 08 05:58:54 btw, I have a P0 device in my hands right now so if anyone has any questions feel free to ask Mar 08 05:59:00 noidd: feeling not suitable? OK Mar 08 05:59:06 pickboards work okay for text entry; the motoA780 uses one just fine Mar 08 05:59:11 i know there is a power button, and i wasn't counting that as a button. i heard that the "911" button could be programmd as general purpose Mar 08 05:59:20 * LINCMAN groks at noidds feet Mar 08 05:59:27 It probably can, I don't know. Mar 08 05:59:36 noidd: run some simple benchmark so we could get feeling of speed difference between PC and Neo1973 Mar 08 05:59:40 noidd: how sturdy is it? Mar 08 05:59:42 its not really suitable for a key tho - very stiff and completely flush to the case Mar 08 05:59:55 is the little orange bar that goes around the outside changeable or is it how you order it Mar 08 06:00:05 like with a silver edge or orange Mar 08 06:00:08 more sturdy than my treo for sure Mar 08 06:00:14 oh, nice Mar 08 06:00:40 LINCMAN, they come in a black/silver style too, which is what i have seen shipped to most of the p0 devs Mar 08 06:00:48 noidd when the final releases that will be the re[placement for my 650 Mar 08 06:01:15 yeah, I want a black/silver one :) Mar 08 06:01:46 I have black + silver Mar 08 06:01:50 and I'm *trying* to get to where I can help out with the apps but I'm not familiary with OE and mokometamakefile has given me trouble Mar 08 06:02:00 The trim is not a seperate piece so you can't swap it per se Mar 08 06:02:17 got it! Mar 08 06:02:19 http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=244 Mar 08 06:02:20 thanks noid Mar 08 06:02:30 however, the case is easy to seperate from the device so concievably you could just swap them witha torque screwdriver in the field Mar 08 06:02:44 i think it is a critical problem,isn't it? Mar 08 06:02:52 is the screen inset some to try and avoid scratches? Mar 08 06:02:53 I will make one observation and it won't make any sense until you see it Mar 08 06:03:02 the screen is inset - yes Mar 08 06:03:10 by about the same amount as the treo Mar 08 06:03:20 okay so just a little Mar 08 06:03:25 thats nice Mar 08 06:03:28 The feeling of the platics is very different to anything I have ever felt before Mar 08 06:03:39 noidd: for example play and/or encode something with ogg123/oggenc ? Mar 08 06:03:39 oh? rubbery? hard? Mar 08 06:03:44 it feels like rubber covered in fine powder Mar 08 06:03:52 its really strange but really REALLY cool Mar 08 06:04:11 oh nice Mar 08 06:04:32 have you put a sim in it and made a call? Mar 08 06:04:41 LINCMAN: no dialer yet, iirc Mar 08 06:04:55 I have put a sim in it Mar 08 06:04:57 and no GPRS stack either, I hear Mar 08 06:05:06 aloril: i read in IRC earlier that the neo def cannot play 160kbit ogg Mar 08 06:05:08 and it has successfully stopped my cell# going to voicemail Mar 08 06:05:09 I have made and received calls, no audio. Mar 08 06:05:20 which I believe means that it logged into the cell network Mar 08 06:05:28 cool Mar 08 06:05:31 rwhitby is ahead of me. Mar 08 06:05:49 I've been filling out http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AT_Commands Mar 08 06:05:55 rwhitby: cool: audio problem is in getting it from the GSM or outputting it to the speaker(s) ? Mar 08 06:06:02 you have to talk to the GSM module with AT commands at the moment Mar 08 06:06:08 peepsalot: ah, yeah using floating point codec Mar 08 06:06:35 peepsalot aloril: isn't there a fixed point ogg codec? Mar 08 06:06:42 pjz: I don't grok the audio circuitry yet, so have no idea how to make the connections. you need to do something with the alsa mixer apparently. Mar 08 06:06:58 pjz: yes, it was mentioned at same discussion peepsalot refers Mar 08 06:07:03 rwhitby: ah Mar 08 06:07:10 noidd: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM Mar 08 06:07:19 all I have to say is that I think this project is gonna blow the sox off of anything coming out in the next year Mar 08 06:07:41 I figure my treo650 has another 6 month Mar 08 06:07:45 rwhitby: i've been working on PCI audit all night, not had any time to play with new toy yet :-/ Mar 08 06:08:02 and then I am just gonna have to ditch my palmos Mar 08 06:08:11 and I sure as hell don't want to be on WM Mar 08 06:08:19 LICMAN: my treo is so dead already. It doesn't recieve calls anymore and I regularly have to push it back together Mar 08 06:08:32 noidd: yeah, I was trying to get debug board working yesterday, but decided to just start getting familiar with the device connected to a linux host by usb first. Mar 08 06:08:39 rwhitby: how would you describe the textture of the phone? Mar 08 06:08:50 and palmos is NOT gonna evolve I have just come to grips with that Mar 08 06:09:04 as much as I love it Mar 08 06:09:08 noidd: hard, smooth, neoprene-like plastic Mar 08 06:09:10 rwhitby: I've not felt anything like it before and I'm at a complete loss to describe it other than it feels like alien technology Mar 08 06:09:31 "neoprene" - get it? ;-) Mar 08 06:09:37 heh Mar 08 06:09:43 lol Mar 08 06:09:49 I call it "neoplastic" Mar 08 06:10:05 so is there going to be some kind of standard event bus running? dbus or something? Mar 08 06:10:46 ah, nm, found the right wikipage :) Mar 08 06:11:17 you know what I mean by it feeling like alien tech tho right? I've not felt anything like it before. It's a whole new texture that I can barely describe Mar 08 06:12:22 ps listing - http://pastebin.ca/385957 Mar 08 06:12:58 noidd do you know if the gui will be able to be customizable Mar 08 06:14:11 noidd do you have a specific project you are focused on? Mar 08 06:14:13 noidd: it is the texture is somewhat noticable just from some of the p0 photos. has a matte, slightly sparkly/finely textured look to it Mar 08 06:14:26 rm "it is" Mar 08 06:14:33 openmoko: 03zhiyong_sun * r1268 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-mainmenu/src/ (12 files): add launch history applications function & some small modfiy Mar 08 06:14:51 s/it is// Mar 08 06:14:51 peepsalot meant: rm "" Mar 08 06:15:00 * peepsalot laughs Mar 08 06:18:07 anyways - 1:15 - headint to bed. Mar 08 06:18:08 later Mar 08 06:18:30 hmm.. I guess integer only benchmark would be more interesting, there probably will soon be EABI (I guess this might mainly depend on when EABI version of proprietary GPS library code becomes available) Mar 08 06:18:42 (still floating point comparing also is interesting ;-) Mar 08 06:18:48 g'night noid Mar 08 06:19:00 aloril: I just guessed about that counter things, but thanks :) Mar 08 06:19:15 noidd are you on any specific project? Mar 08 06:24:40 * cworth tried buying a replacement battery today, but it just wouldn't fit. :-( Mar 08 06:24:59 here is one benchmark command: dd bs=1024 count=1024 if=/dev/zero | gzip -9 > /dev/null Mar 08 06:25:00 cworth are you one of the 36? Mar 08 06:25:09 LINCMAN: yes Mar 08 06:25:40 each of the 36 assigned to different projects? Mar 08 06:25:44 uuups, dd bs=1024 count=1024 if=/dev/zero | time gzip -9 > /dev/null Mar 08 06:25:55 LINCMAN: no idea Mar 08 06:26:11 are you assigned to something special? Mar 08 06:26:20 LINCMAN: assigned to? Mar 08 06:26:33 no assignments, we do what we please :-) Mar 08 06:26:44 like the gui or calendar for instance Mar 08 06:27:37 LINCMAN: No, no asignment came with the phone. It's officially a gift. Mar 08 06:29:03 LINCMAN: there is source code to almost everything (except GSM modem and GPS library to decipher and calculate data from chip) Mar 08 06:29:13 i wonder why one of the first pictures of the neo has "nomad" stamped on it. Mar 08 06:29:24 LINCMAN: so you can do about anything ;-) Mar 08 06:30:03 ok Mar 08 06:30:14 peepsalot: it's believed that's the name of the case manufacturer Mar 08 06:30:22 so the basic functions are being handled by the staff? Mar 08 06:30:46 LINCMAN: phase0 devs are just getting up to speed at the moment Mar 08 06:31:54 I personally am looking at a custom firmware distribution for the nslu2 (or similar devices) to make it easy to network the neo at home and work via bluetooth, and have it automatically change based on proximity (or switch to GPRS if desired based on GPS location) Mar 08 06:32:04 so the basic functions have nothing to do with what the P0 devs are doing? Mar 08 06:32:36 LINCMAN: I don't understand what you're asking, or where you're going with it ... Mar 08 06:33:38 LINCMAN: it depends wholly on P0 developer Mar 08 06:33:39 I was just trying to figure out whether the P0 folks are actually writing some of the main functionality Mar 08 06:34:23 LINCMAN: some do integration with other devices (rwithby), some do distribution stuff (like running EABI Angstrom), some so kernel hacking, etc.. Mar 08 06:34:46 LINCMAN: I would say P0 developers will touch stuff widely ;-) Mar 08 06:35:19 LINCMAN: there already are contributions even before P0 devices because source was released a while ago Mar 08 06:35:39 LINCMAN: I think there is a core team of paid devs from FIC, but the community is welcome to contribute as well. p0 devs are working on whatever the heck they want Mar 08 06:37:09 how will we know what each of you wonderful p0's are working on Mar 08 06:38:00 i keep IRC open and read the logs from when I'm away. never miss a beat Mar 08 06:38:11 LINCMAN: You can read what people post. Or, even, ask! Mar 08 06:38:27 then there's the mailing lists... and the list archives Mar 08 06:38:33 LINCMAN: Me, I'm just working on getting a charged battery back into this device... :-( Mar 08 06:38:34 what is it you are going to focus on cworth? Mar 08 06:38:41 oh ok Mar 08 06:38:43 hehe Mar 08 06:39:21 LINCMAN: Hard to say for sure. I'll obviously make sure a recent cairo build is available for the device, and check out its performance. Mar 08 06:39:51 LINCMAN: I'm quite interested in exploring the impacts of the 285ppi display, (how much antialiasing do we still need with pixels that small?). Mar 08 06:40:32 LINCMAN: And I've been wanting a hackable GPS device with a good display for a long time, so I might play there too... (though I'd really prefer not to have any binary-only code in the way). Mar 08 06:41:05 * cworth can easily forget there's actually phone hardware here... Mar 08 06:41:37 cw do you know if the gps can tell another phone where it is and display the map of where it is Mar 08 06:42:10 LINCMAN: "the gps" is just hardware for talking to GPS satellites. After that it's all just software waiting to be written. Mar 08 06:42:15 LINCMAN: that is functionality which is about three levels above where the software is at right now. ask again in six months. Mar 08 06:42:52 hehehe ok Mar 08 06:42:59 that would be cool tho Mar 08 06:43:02 * rwhitby wonders how we get the message out that there is basically *no* applications on the Neo right now - you have to use AT commands to make a phone call. Mar 08 06:43:13 so you can pinpoint your buddy on a map Mar 08 06:43:37 rwhitby: I'd be surprised if P0 people weren't all quite clear on that. But, yeah... Mar 08 06:43:55 LINCMAN, at the very least, once the basic GPS drivers are written, you would be able to get your coordinates and send them in an sms to your friend Mar 08 06:44:43 cworth: they did give us the choice to wait a month :-) Mar 08 06:45:10 LINCMAN but i'm sure there will be much fancier applications for utilizing the GPS soon after that Mar 08 06:45:15 rwhitby: Yeah, that should have scared away anyone expecting something more "consumer-ready". :-) Mar 08 06:45:23 openmoko: 03zhiyong_sun * r1269 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-mainmenu/src/ (dbus-conn.c main.c main.h): remove ^M Mar 08 06:45:50 how were the p0 devs chosen? Mar 08 06:46:00 but currently it does have some gui right? Mar 08 06:46:16 rwhitby: Though I am feeling foollish for not having gotten this thing onto a charger before running the battery dead. I hadn't anticpated the current state of the power controller wouldn't be able to recover from that. Mar 08 06:46:19 and then under that a shell? Mar 08 06:46:43 peepsalot: you sent your application to the core team Mar 08 06:46:48 * LINCMAN read about the quick drain of the bat Mar 08 06:46:58 LINCMAN: An X server, a menu, a few simple programs, and an X terminal emulator. Mar 08 06:47:06 my guess is they chose people with a history of significant contributions to embedded and UI open source projects. Mar 08 06:47:33 and it probably helped if you knew someone on the core team too :-) Mar 08 06:47:34 LINCMAN: some gui pics here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review Mar 08 06:47:46 (through association and work on similar projects) Mar 08 06:48:29 I'd say people who "get things done" have gotten it :) Mar 08 06:50:00 and hopefully people who "fix, don't bitch" Mar 08 06:50:25 * peepsalot wonders how many of the p0 devs have a day job and do openmoko in their spare time, vs how many are able to devote majority of their time to it. Mar 08 06:50:36 or both ... Mar 08 06:51:37 what do you p0 intend to code in Mar 08 06:52:21 time for bed, g'night all Mar 08 06:52:37 LINCMAN: cross-compiled C Mar 08 06:53:20 (that would have been a criteria too - understanding of cross-compilation for an embedded device) Mar 08 06:57:38 has there been much discussion on text entry? Mar 08 06:57:53 that is one thing I will miss from my 650 Mar 08 07:01:13 LINCMAN: look around in the wiki.openmoko.org for text entry Mar 08 07:01:45 how about the freedom mini keyboard bluetooth Mar 08 07:02:37 so I've been looking at the OpenMokoFramework architecture stuff and thinking that libgsmd needs to show up as a dbus service Mar 08 07:03:23 LINCMAN: are you subscribed to the mailing lists? Mar 08 07:03:33 that was discussed in the last 48 hours Mar 08 07:03:39 because lots of apps might want to know about dialing, ringing, haning up, etc etc Mar 08 07:04:30 good morning all Mar 08 07:04:32 no rw im not Mar 08 07:04:51 hey koen Mar 08 07:05:20 koen: what's the secret to audio output? is there a wiki page on how to control the mixer? Mar 08 07:05:31 * rwhitby wants to listen to thereisnophone.mp3 Mar 08 07:06:23 rwhitby: load the state files from XorA|gone Mar 08 07:06:44 rwhitby: http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/~gg/neo1973/ Mar 08 07:06:51 I guess no-one's put that on the wiki yet? Mar 08 07:06:59 koen: pls can you make a dmesg from neo somewhere available? :) Mar 08 07:07:03 I did read that in the wiki *somewhere* Mar 08 07:08:08 koen: so "alsactl -f stereoout.state store" then madplay? Mar 08 07:08:28 that should work Mar 08 07:08:35 hmm - didn't for me :-( Mar 08 07:09:50 rwhitby: I'll add link to Mokomakefile to wikipedia article ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile unless you have better idea ) Mar 08 07:10:42 rwhitby: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem implies that the asound files are different for various revisions Mar 08 07:11:01 also I think adding mention that Phase 0 developers have gotten phone ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review ) Mar 08 07:12:12 aloril: sure Mar 08 07:17:13 koen: the ~gg ones should work for P0 phones, right? Mar 08 07:18:22 rwhitby: AIUI, yes Mar 08 07:18:32 (~gg == Xora) Mar 08 07:23:43 yeah. I must be licking it wrong then. Mar 08 07:24:39 * pjz left a comment on OpenMokoFramework. Who's working on that stuff? Mar 08 07:24:55 ok, I was licking it wrong. Mar 08 07:25:15 sorry if I somehow missed, but... could anybody with hardware run this command? (works on qemu at least): dd bs=1024 count=10240 if=/dev/zero | time gzip -9 > /dev/null Mar 08 07:25:19 rwhitby: grats on sound! Mar 08 07:26:33 10485760 bytes (10 MB) copied, 0.340193 seconds, 30.8 MB/s Mar 08 07:26:35 0.12user 0.00system 0:00.37elapsed Mar 08 07:26:36 aloril: ^ Mar 08 07:26:54 wow, those are better numbers than my desktop! Mar 08 07:26:55 kmeyer: hehe, I mean Neo1973 ;-) Mar 08 07:27:02 oh whoops Mar 08 07:27:08 I thought I was in ##linux, lol Mar 08 07:27:35 I was wondering why you said "anybody with hardware" :P Mar 08 07:28:21 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem#Phase0_Quick_Start Mar 08 07:28:30 so is there any word what the special feature on the phone is gonna be in september? Mar 08 07:28:59 koen: thx for the help on sound - I've added a quick start for others at the top of that page. Mar 08 07:31:01 * koen wonders how to solve the getty problem cleanly Mar 08 07:31:56 rwhitby: does that allow voice calls now? Mar 08 07:34:00 aloril: no, he was just getting sound output to work Mar 08 07:34:30 aloril: by doing some magic and then running madplay Mar 08 07:36:47 pjz: OK, I was wondering whether is was time to update P0_Review page about that (maybe there should be separate P0 FAQ page?) Mar 08 07:38:43 got a phone call with audio (only through speaker, no mic) Mar 08 07:38:55 so I could hear them, but they couldn't hear me Mar 08 07:39:46 cool, I'll add link to it anyway then Mar 08 07:40:27 http://pastebin.ca/385991 is what I had to do - first I made a call (the number has been changed), then I received a call, and then hung up. Mar 08 07:40:53 Had to do http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM first of course to turn on GSM and register with the network. Mar 08 07:43:31 course all of this has been done by the .eu guys 12 hours ago - I'm just catching up after work. Mar 08 07:50:21 adding "Q: Can I record calls and/or play audio files in calls?" question to FAQ: I think its fair to say that there is not yet software to record calls? (well.. if there is no software to do calling then ;-) Mar 08 07:51:06 A: Yes, audio path from GSM to/from mic and speakers is completely controllable by user. For example recording calls (both sides) and implementing answering machine is possible. Also you using text->speech should be possible or modifying outgoing voice. Currently there is no software bundled in phone to do this. Mar 08 07:51:06 the answer to both is "yes, you will be able to do that when the software is written" Mar 08 07:51:27 (seen this question at least 3 times I think in IRC) Mar 08 07:52:00 s/ Also you/ Also/ Mar 08 07:52:27 nice ;) Mar 08 07:53:32 OK, I think FAQ now answers most questions asked on IRC (that belong to FAQ) Mar 08 07:55:35 * aloril thinks Asterix can do answering machine already, so it might be just configure thing to get that working Mar 08 07:57:38 rwhitby: if you build from OE .dev, making a call became a lot easier since the last commit :) Mar 08 07:57:52 koen: saw that :-) Mar 08 08:00:13 pjz: cool idea about SMS<->email gateway in phone Mar 08 08:00:41 aloril: it seemed the easy thing to do to suddenly leverage a bunch of existing code Mar 08 08:00:57 aloril: procmail, etc. Mar 08 08:04:44 pjz: yeah, ideas is kind of obvious in hindsight ;-) Mar 08 08:05:14 s/ideas/idea Mar 08 08:05:16 yup, I'm good at pointing out the obvious things that people miss :) Mar 08 08:06:04 like: don't bother binding libmoko* to N different languages, just bind to Dbus and the other langs can all use them that way Mar 08 08:06:27 modulo performance overhead, of course Mar 08 08:07:13 plus then there will be some introspection into the API, which is always good. Mar 08 08:08:02 does it do usbnet yet? Mar 08 08:08:11 presumably that's high prio for the devs Mar 08 08:08:43 pjz: I ssh root@neo through usbnet Mar 08 08:08:48 pjz: I think they are using it currently trough usbnet Mar 08 08:09:32 I plan to switch to ssh over BT Mar 08 08:09:34 although at one point I had to run vi on the phone to get usbnet working again, and it was *painful* Mar 08 08:09:54 (but doable on P0) Mar 08 08:10:39 heh Mar 08 08:10:41 * aloril wonders what this would require: when you go away from desktop, your X11 is still accessible (using FreeNX) in Neo1973 Mar 08 08:10:51 ok, what's the secret to the phone seeing the SD card? Mar 08 08:11:37 rwhitby: prepare for kernel oops or something like that if you do too much IO with SD (I guess you have seen this already in IRC logs) Mar 08 08:11:46 aloril: I was thinking of doing it the other way: running vncserver on the Neo and connecting to it on my desktop Mar 08 08:12:01 aloril: so I could just take my desktop with me Mar 08 08:12:25 pjz: that too, but desktop has more resources ;-) Mar 08 08:12:41 aloril: well, sure, but if it's a corporate desktop it's behind firewalls and things Mar 08 08:13:38 aloril: but yeah, a freeNX Neo client would be cool Mar 08 08:13:39 (Neo1973 X11 would be just yet another workspace in desktop) Mar 08 08:14:42 aloril: looks like the Zaurus 5XXX already has a FreeNX client Mar 08 08:15:58 If I'm paying per MB then I think I'm going to use the thinnest stream I can =] Mar 08 08:17:56 something like "screen -d -R" offers but for X11: transfer control or duplicate it (using FreeNX of course, so I guess Neo1973 side already has requisite software available (^Zaurus 5XXX comment)) Mar 08 08:18:49 * rwhitby wonders if he's put the SD card in wrong, cause the neo aint seeing it. Mar 08 08:18:54 koen|lab: do you feel that angstrom image works slower? Mar 08 08:19:09 hrw: in some areas Mar 08 08:20:34 is the sd card a full size sd? Mar 08 08:20:43 LINCMAN: no, its 8" one Mar 08 08:21:31 8??? Mar 08 08:21:51 LINCMAN: yes. and comes with extra battery for power it. Mar 08 08:22:01 * hrw wonder why people do not read wiki Mar 08 08:22:33 I am talking the memory chip Mar 08 08:22:52 LINCMAN: and he's kidding, in case you can't tell... ;) Mar 08 08:22:59 LINCMAN: by the way, having an all-caps nick does not inspire confidence ... Mar 08 08:23:06 LINCMAN: and I'm saying "read WIKI" using other words Mar 08 08:23:15 sorry Mar 08 08:23:37 I think my client did something odd Mar 08 08:24:03 lincman: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware Mar 08 08:24:25 hrw from the pix I saw it lookd like a regular sd card with a mini Mar 08 08:25:31 but I couldn't tell for sure and that is why I was asking Mar 08 08:25:37 do I need to do something in u-boot to get the neo to see the storage card? Mar 08 08:26:43 rwhitby: mmcinit in uboot see card Mar 08 08:27:32 hrw: thx Mar 08 08:28:10 rwhitby: but linux does not (here) Mar 08 08:28:47 so everyone's running all packages from internal flash at the moment? Mar 08 08:30:39 I do Mar 08 08:32:27 anyone has experience building an ARMv4 kernel with gcc 4.1.1 ? Any outstanding issues ? Mar 08 08:32:54 sameo: armv4 or armv4t? Mar 08 08:33:31 partial (or full) answer to my question: http://dmx.sourceforge.net/ Mar 08 08:33:42 hrw: thx, I'll stop worrying about it now :-) Mar 08 08:33:45 hrw: v4 Mar 08 08:34:20 sameo: should work Mar 08 08:34:42 hrw: thx Mar 08 08:34:53 rwhitby: now I want to get gps and gsm working Mar 08 08:35:47 hrw: are there any issues with v4t ? Mar 08 08:36:21 hrw: I made and received calls just before. speaker works (and headset), but no microphone path. Mar 08 08:36:49 hrw: http://pastebin.ca/385991 Mar 08 08:39:42 sameo: I do not have any Mar 08 08:40:13 rwhitby: my neo refuse to connect to serials Mar 08 08:40:41 hrw: did you set to usb console in u-boot and follow setup instructions in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM ? Mar 08 08:41:05 probably not quite yet Mar 08 08:42:19 thx Mar 08 08:55:27 openmoko: 03alex_tang * r1270 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-messages/src/ (callbacks.c main.c main.h sms-membership-window.c): Mar 08 08:55:27 openmoko: Add send_signal_to_footer to send message information to footer Mar 08 08:55:27 openmoko: Modify cb_mmitem_activate . Mar 08 08:57:14 argh.. now I remembed why I hate usbnet Mar 08 08:57:45 all those 'ifup after hotplug and then run iptables'.... Mar 08 08:57:49 ~curse usbnet Mar 08 08:57:51 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, usbnet ! Mar 08 09:06:47 hm. koen|lab: matchbox-panel-2 has other method of adding/removing/moving applets then mb-1 had? Mar 08 09:11:22 yes Mar 08 09:11:26 @^&^$@&^$&@*$^*&# matchbox Mar 08 09:11:45 from a user POV: mb-panel2 == unfinished crap Mar 08 09:11:53 and @#$@%@$@FWSDF@T$%%@! usbnetworking Mar 08 09:12:04 I never liked matchbox Mar 08 09:12:05 there's no way to add mb-panel2 applets after starting it Mar 08 09:12:20 Ycros: this is about matchbox-panel, not matchbox-wm Mar 08 09:14:23 I don't like the whole stack Mar 08 09:22:22 hrw: are you going to fix it, now you work for o-hand? Mar 08 09:24:56 koen|lab: thats not my part of job Mar 08 09:25:09 koen|lab: I'm OE man Mar 08 09:29:56 (CL) FIC submitted/submitting Neo1973 to FCC/EC?''' "some of them will be used as samples for FCC/CE/... style certifications" [http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-March/004060.html full mail]. Also seems they don't have any 'extra' phones currently. Mar 08 10:13:42 Hi all... when is OpenMoko going to be available for general public in March? & how can I obtain a piece? Mar 08 10:13:42 makuchaku: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Mar 08 10:14:38