**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 20 02:59:57 2007 Mar 20 03:44:54 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] Mar 20 03:50:28 oooh. Mar 20 03:50:28 openmoko: 03caowai_song * r1421 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-appmanager/src/ (28 files): Use the "/*" instead of the "/**" Mar 20 04:47:54 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Meet_the_Core_Team]] Mar 20 05:41:32 openmoko: 03caowai_song * r1422 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-appmanager/src/ (5 files): Fix the bug that last commit. Mar 20 05:46:04 ~change 135 USD to SGD Mar 20 05:46:10 135.00 United States Dollar (USD) makes 206.159 Dollar (SGD) (from http://www.xe.com/) Mar 20 05:53:38 rwhitby: guys thi serror still persists while building wiht mokomakefile http://pastebin.ca/403191 Mar 20 05:55:00 rm -rf /home/moko/sources/svn/gta01-kernel Mar 20 05:55:22 empty_mind: tried that? Mar 20 05:55:42 rwhitby: nope, but why do we get a 404 error ? Mar 20 05:56:22 that's normal - it looks at the sources cache site to see if the svn download is already there as a tarball. it's called PREMIRROR Mar 20 05:57:26 ok, trying again after rm -rf Mar 20 07:18:58 openmoko: 03sean_chiang * r1423 10/developers/seanchiang/: Created folder remotely Mar 20 07:19:47 openmoko: 03sean_chiang * r1424 10/developers/seanchiang/gsm/ (8 files): Added a folder remotely Mar 20 07:23:55 openmoko: 03sean_chiang * r1425 10/developers/seanchiang/gsm/: Removed file/folder Mar 20 07:29:42 openmoko: 03sean_chiang * r1426 10/developers/seanchiang/gsm/ (80 files in 11 dirs): support phonebook, sms(not fully support yet) Mar 20 07:41:51 openmoko: 03sean_chiang * r1427 10/developers/seanchiang/: Removed file/folder Mar 20 07:48:55 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] Mar 20 07:51:31 * rwhitby heads off to the local linux users group to give an openmoko talk ... Mar 20 07:55:21 openmoko: 03alex_tang * r1428 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-messages/src/ (callbacks.c callbacks.h main.c sms-membership-window.c): Mar 20 07:55:21 openmoko: Clean the footer while colse messages. Mar 20 07:55:21 openmoko: Fix message membership folder display, any change add/delete will change the list. Mar 20 08:01:54 (script) openmoko-announce: Harald Welte [openmoko-announce] [ADMINISTRATIVE] openmoko.org scheduled Mar 20 08:11:21 openmoko: 03sean_chiang * r1429 10/developers/sean_chiang/: pake Mar 20 08:16:13 openmoko: 03sean_chiang * r1430 10/developers/sean_chiang/gsm/ (154 files in 16 dirs): pake Mar 20 08:20:19 i'm getting build errors Mar 20 08:20:31 can anyone please help me Mar 20 08:21:03 logs at http://pastebin.ca/403264 Mar 20 08:21:16 it is is been more than 5 days i'm working on the build Mar 20 08:21:32 the worst build i have seen in the whole development life Mar 20 08:21:44 poor error checking and poor maintainance Mar 20 08:22:15 I'll see if I can get it building right now Mar 20 08:22:44 CM: i deleted the whole directory and tried to build more than three times Mar 20 08:22:50 *directory tree Mar 20 08:23:02 Strange, very.. And you have the latest makefile and all? Mar 20 08:23:03 also it doesn't mean if it works for you it works for everyone Mar 20 08:23:13 I mean: make update-makefile; make update ;make setup Mar 20 08:23:25 it deeply went into my brain Mar 20 08:23:32 since i did more than 30 times until now Mar 20 08:23:56 and did tried deleting the whole directory tree and tried to build again Mar 20 08:23:56 Well, I had some issues in the beginning with broken packages when building for 64-bit Mar 20 08:24:08 i'm working on 32 bit Mar 20 08:24:12 not 64 bit Mar 20 08:24:16 But most people here got it built right away Mar 20 08:24:30 What distro? Mar 20 08:24:34 fc6 Mar 20 08:24:50 doesn't loooks like it is the problem with distrobution Mar 20 08:24:51 Version of montone? Mar 20 08:24:57 if comppilation problem then i can accept it Mar 20 08:25:10 it is retriveing file from svn Mar 20 08:25:23 i have given the link check it out Mar 20 08:25:24 http://pastebin.ca/403264 Mar 20 08:25:32 openmoko: 03caowai_song * r1431 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-appmanager/ (ChangeLog src/application-menu.c): Mar 20 08:25:32 openmoko: Using an errcode to idetify the install result. Mar 20 08:25:32 openmoko: Show infomation after installing single ipk file. Mar 20 08:25:54 You get the +svnnow in the svn calls and I'm not sure if that's right Mar 20 08:26:41 do you have any higher verbose mode to get the error messages more clear ? Mar 20 08:27:02 you checked the link, possible to understand anything from that with regards to your question? Mar 20 08:27:23 Did you try what I mentioned before? Mar 20 08:27:33 make update-makefile; make update ;make setup Mar 20 08:27:36 ? Mar 20 08:27:42 i think i replied for that Mar 20 08:27:55 it deeply went into my brain Mar 20 08:27:55 [16:21:28] since i did more than 30 times until now Mar 20 08:27:55 [16:21:53] and did tried deleting the whole directory tree and tried to build again Mar 20 08:27:56 Ah, ok, sorry Mar 20 08:28:06 i did more than 30 times Mar 20 08:28:07 Hmm. Mar 20 08:28:19 so hows it going with the preliminary dev launch? Mar 20 08:28:22 rwhitby: Can you see the problem in http://pastebin.ca/403264 Mar 20 08:28:48 Paladine: Harald and Werner is still in Taipei I think Mar 20 08:29:04 Paladine: I'm waiting for Haralds next blogpost ;) Mar 20 08:29:27 I been out of the loop for a month but it looks like things are moving forward nicely Mar 20 08:29:52 meanwhile I got free LG shine Mar 20 08:30:00 whichis kinda nice too Mar 20 08:30:12 and came with a free wii :) Mar 20 08:30:15 Nice Mar 20 08:30:25 which is the only reason I got it hehehe Mar 20 08:31:47 sumasuma: I can do the svn checkouts. Look at this log: http://pastebin.ca/403275 Mar 20 08:33:00 CM: sam i can also i guess Mar 20 08:33:15 but when it comes with the make file it doesn't Mar 20 08:33:21 sumasuma: I mean with the makefile, the ones that failed for you Mar 20 08:33:43 What version of neon and svn do you have? Could that be an issue maybe? Mar 20 08:34:10 * CM has neon-0.26.1 and svn 1.4.3 Mar 20 08:34:16 neon ? Mar 20 08:34:38 It's some ssl library that svn uses, I think Mar 20 08:34:56 I'm no guru here, just know I've had problems with neon before Mar 20 08:36:03 CM: let me check it Mar 20 08:36:14 sumasuma: heh, its a "HTTP and WebDAV client library" Mar 20 08:36:39 how you checked the neon version ? Mar 20 08:36:58 I'm on gentoo, so i just looked what I had installed Mar 20 08:37:19 openmoko: 03alex_tang * r1432 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-messages/src/ (callbacks.c sms-membership-window.c): Fix the message membership window message list. Mar 20 08:38:13 sumasuma: I'm at work, off to a meeting. Hope someone can help you out more, or I'll be back later. Mar 20 08:39:58 ok Mar 20 08:48:55 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Rakshasa]] Mar 20 08:49:02 good morning Mar 20 09:05:47 gug Mar 20 09:10:11 openmoko: 03caowai_song * r1433 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-appmanager/is-processing.patch: Update the is-processing.patch file Mar 20 09:20:35 morning Mar 20 09:21:34 hi hrw Mar 20 09:22:11 hrw, stefan_schmidt: does gsm work for you now? Mar 20 09:22:34 ph5: my ph is acidic Mar 20 09:22:39 with alphaone's hint I finally got it to work, so I guess we could close #256 Mar 20 09:22:56 sumasuma: coffee :) Mar 20 09:22:59 dmesg -n1? Mar 20 09:23:22 XorA: cu disables flow control again, so I had to run stty -F *after* starting cu Mar 20 09:24:11 why on linux of all OS's do terminal programs suck so much ass Mar 20 09:25:22 pH5: I have to test it Mar 20 09:25:28 XorA: picocom roxx Mar 20 09:27:17 hrw: heh, see my comment #5 on that bug. although this probably isn't picocom's fault :) Mar 20 09:28:15 yep Mar 20 09:29:00 root@home:~# ifconfig usb1 192.168.0.200 Mar 20 09:29:32 fsck! it works Mar 20 09:29:40 `ATE0V1' returned `ERROR' Mar 20 09:29:44 openmoko: 03zhiyong_sun * r1434 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-mainmenu/src/ (11 files): add stylus menu object , abstract finger menu object Mar 20 09:29:51 Thu Jan 1 00:02:33 1970 <1> atcmd.c:178:ml_parse() buf=`AT-Command Interpreter ready Mar 20 09:30:33 Tue Mar 20 09:30:28 2007 <1> atcmd.c:178:ml_parse() buf=`ERROR'(5) Mar 20 09:30:33 Tue Mar 20 09:30:28 2007 <1> atcmd.c:269:ml_parse() unspecified error Mar 20 09:31:27 hrw: terrific! Mar 20 09:37:21 * koen stabs "This is a test resualt without libgsmd support" Mar 20 09:43:05 koen: build picocom for angstrom Mar 20 09:44:29 hrw: and that fixes the gsm panel plugin to do something usefull? Mar 20 09:44:44 no Mar 20 09:48:58 how can i get that the first touch while the screensaver is on will be ignored and doesnt touch a button or such ? Mar 20 09:49:07 do we have such in place ? Mar 20 09:49:55 rob_w: press the AUX button? Mar 20 09:50:18 ~lart neo's power button Mar 20 09:50:18 * apt executes killall -KILL neo's power button Mar 20 09:50:29 not an option this neeeds to be working also by touching Mar 20 10:00:44 the poor mokomakefile could not do the build Mar 20 10:01:06 anyone here can modify for the problem which i'm facing ? Mar 20 10:01:39 my crystal ball is in repairs Mar 20 10:03:05 koen: don't go to doctors Mar 20 10:03:33 * pH5 wonders why crystal balls break so often Mar 20 10:06:00 http://pastebin.ca/403381 Mar 20 10:06:18 i'm going to update wiki, since this problem is not resolved for more than 4+ days Mar 20 10:19:58 pH5: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/selfone/ Mar 20 10:21:11 sumasuma, http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/openmoko_svn.o-hand.com_.repos.dates.branches__now.tar.gz Mar 20 10:27:30 what is xau ? Mar 20 10:27:50 man Xau :) Mar 20 10:27:59 "The XAU is an index traded on the Philadelphia exchange. It consists of 11 precious metal mining companies. " Mar 20 10:28:15 my openmoko build fails saying "No package 'xau' found| configure: error: Package requirements (xextproto xtrans xau xcmiscproto bigreqsproto) were not met: Mar 20 10:28:16 " Mar 20 10:28:48 lol koen Mar 20 10:34:25 koen: very interesting, though I keep imagining people holding their n800's to their heads. Mar 20 10:34:49 * pH5 wonders how people making calls with their htc universal or even athena look like. Mar 20 10:34:52 pH5: you could make your magician do conference calls :) Mar 20 10:39:41 !counter Mar 20 10:42:17 counter Mar 20 10:42:17 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: 2 weeks 01:17:42 (14.054 +-7.0 days) (576) Mar 20 10:42:32 openmoko: 03thomas * r1435 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-today/ (ChangeLog src/today-main.c): Mar 20 10:42:32 openmoko: Patch by: Daniel Willmann Mar 20 10:42:32 openmoko: * src/today-main.c: (today_launcher_clicked_cb): Initialise the GError Mar 20 10:42:32 openmoko: pointer to prevent segfault. Fixes bug 268. Mar 20 10:48:55 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[MokoMakefile]] [[OpenMoko_compatible_cellphone_providers]] Mar 20 10:59:13 sumasuma: just checking, did you get makefile from here: http://www.rwhitby.net/files/openmoko/Makefile Mar 20 11:02:41 openmoko: 03thomas * r1436 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-today/ (ChangeLog src/today-events-area.c src/today-main.c): Mar 20 11:02:41 openmoko: * src/today-events-area.c: (render_event): Mar 20 11:02:41 openmoko: * src/today-main.c: (today_infoline_new): Mar 20 11:02:41 openmoko: Use invisible windows for GtkEventBox where appropriate. Mar 20 11:16:55 (script) openmoko-devel: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" Reminder: Google SoC application deadline in 4 days Mar 20 11:17:53 mickey|zzZZzz: when one will know if his application is accepted? Mar 20 11:21:13 Magon: when mentors will give comments, select ones for mentoring and then google will choose which are accepted Mar 20 11:21:55 (script) openmoko-devel: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" Reminder: Google SoC application deadline in 4 days Mar 20 11:25:36 hrw: ok so i have to just wait Mar 20 11:41:55 (script) openmoko-devel: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" Re: Reminder: Google SoC application deadline in 4 days Mar 20 11:51:55 (script) openmoko-devel: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" Re: Reminder: Google SoC application deadline in 4 days Mar 20 11:54:49 mickey|zzZZzz: moin, is my mail in the moderation queue of -devel? Mar 20 12:12:01 what are the other ways to get the toolchain for openmoko ? Mar 20 12:12:08 i'm using fc6 Mar 20 12:14:29 mokomakefile seems to work pretty well Mar 20 12:14:43 Hopscotch: yes not for all Mar 20 12:14:57 it breaks for me Mar 20 12:15:00 ouch Mar 20 12:15:09 5+ days spent on it Mar 20 12:15:13 really waste Mar 20 12:15:28 updated svn to the latest, neon etc., Mar 20 12:15:41 http://pastebin.ca/403381 Mar 20 12:15:45 works fine on SuSe and thats pretty damn close to FC6 Mar 20 12:15:47 still the bug exists Mar 20 12:16:32 kumbalae: got a web proxy? Mar 20 12:16:52 XorA: may be the isp might have, not one my own Mar 20 12:17:17 kumbalae: does svn checkout svn://svn.o-hand.com/repos/dates/branches/ o-hand work on command line? Mar 20 12:17:27 Xora: for me also Mar 20 12:17:36 it works on the hand Mar 20 12:17:47 but o-hand fails with the mokomakefile Mar 20 12:18:16 i did update mokomakefile Mar 20 12:18:19 update Mar 20 12:18:21 setup Mar 20 12:18:36 and all nonsense mentioned in that page Mar 20 12:18:56 make update-makefile; make update; make setup; make openmoko-devel-image Mar 20 12:19:48 kumbalae: Try to catch rwhitby in here Mar 20 12:19:50 does anyone's build bork at perl-native...mine does Mar 20 12:20:04 Sup3rkiddo: Yes, that's the perl gentoo issue ;) Mar 20 12:20:13 kumbalae: snv --version please Mar 20 12:20:24 CM: OMG...any workarounds? Mar 20 12:20:31 Sup3rkiddo: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1988 Mar 20 12:20:39 [moko@localhost ~]$ svn --version Mar 20 12:20:40 svn, version 1.4.3 (r23084) Mar 20 12:20:40 compiled Mar 20 2007, 17:18:18 Mar 20 12:20:57 CM: thanks man....i bunked my college today because of that.. Mar 20 12:21:15 Sup3rkiddo: Basically make a ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/asm/page.h page.h in /usr/include/asm Mar 20 12:21:29 kumbalae: that is exceedingly odd Mar 20 12:21:33 CM: yeah i had done that before....but dunno what happened Mar 20 12:21:57 zecke: your mail came through fine Mar 20 12:22:00 (at least to me) Mar 20 12:22:03 CM: sounds like gentoo glibc didnt do the header copy right Mar 20 12:22:25 XorA: Yes, there's a gentoo bug about it, linked in that oe bug Mar 20 12:23:38 Experts around here, is there is any other way to install the toolchain for openmoko other than mokomakefile ? Mar 20 12:24:49 kumbalae: You should be able to do a completely manual install, but I doubt it's easier. Mar 20 12:25:02 Sucks that you've gotten stuck on some weird svn issue Mar 20 12:25:18 yeah, I simply don't get pipermail's indenting of mail :) Mar 20 12:25:20 yes, if something reasonable definitely i will try to resolve Mar 20 12:25:37 even if svn fails, it is acceptable Mar 20 12:25:43 it works in the command line Mar 20 12:26:14 is there a way i can get through command line and the mokomakefile get for building it ? Mar 20 12:26:50 kumbalae: Should be, if you download the file to the source dir Mar 20 12:27:10 http://pastebin.ca/403381 Mar 20 12:27:32 in the directory where it is trying to download through the svn ? Mar 20 12:29:13 mickeyl: modem works here Mar 20 12:29:36 CM: can you point me which directory i need to svn ? Mar 20 12:30:12 kumbalae: My files are in /home/moko/sources/ Mar 20 12:30:30 kumbalae: Btw, bitbake does not play nice with softlinks.. Mar 20 12:30:46 CM: you mean binutils Mar 20 12:30:59 koen: True, sorry :) Mar 20 12:31:53 i find all the files in the sources are .bz2 and md5 Mar 20 12:32:03 are you sure of the location ? Mar 20 12:32:56 guys, i leaving off Mar 20 12:33:07 already spent useless time on openmoko Mar 20 12:33:13 never waste my lifetime on this Mar 20 12:33:14 bye Mar 20 12:33:20 Good riddance Mar 20 12:33:48 another victim of "makefile disables brain: Mar 20 12:33:53 hrw: glad to hear Mar 20 12:33:56 s,:,", Mar 20 12:34:14 Good day all Mar 20 12:34:51 Morning ;) Mar 20 12:35:28 mickeyl: time to buy cheap prepaid card Mar 20 12:35:30 CM: were you the one that recommended Boi Preto? Mar 20 12:36:30 I just read the WiFi section on the wiki but I thought I'd ask if there was any more progress in finding a wifi chipset? Mar 20 12:36:30 When version 1 was designed there was no sufficiently low-power WiFi chip available which has an open driver. You can attach (battery) powered USB hub to Neo1973 and then use supported WiFi USB stick. Also some model later this year probably will include WiFi. For more information see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F Mar 20 12:36:57 Goose: there meeting with vendors this week Mar 20 12:37:02 I'm working on a country wide wifi deploymnet on an island in the caribbean and we're looking at SIP handset options... in our case we actually don't necessarily want/need GSM, we'd be happy with an all WiFi product based on open source.... Mar 20 12:37:05 s/there/they are/ Mar 20 12:37:06 koen meant: Goose: they are meeting with vendors this week Mar 20 12:37:28 Goose: http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/03/18/#20070318-one_week_of_taipeh Mar 20 12:37:50 *click* Great! Is it feasible to do a wifi only spin of the phone to reduce cost and power consumption? Mar 20 12:39:36 does someone know how the JBT6K74 driver is going to be transferring 9 bit commands (which is what the LCD expects) over the 8 bit SPI channel? Mar 20 12:40:54 also i think the driver shouldn't assume that MISO pin is not connected if it is to be generic, cause this is only true on the Neo Mar 20 12:41:51 ~lart gmane Mar 20 12:42:55 zecke: could you add the recipe for openmoko-rssreader to OE? Mar 20 12:43:26 * apt takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking gmane's head off Mar 20 12:43:34 koen: I could once I have some hosting Mar 20 12:45:38 Koen - good luck in Taipeh, I'll keep an eye out for some wifi news :) Mar 20 12:45:41 koen: Yes Mar 20 12:45:51 koen: Did you go there? Mar 20 12:46:37 CM: yes! Mar 20 12:47:14 CM: it's unbelievable Mar 20 12:47:23 koen: I'm glad you thought so too Mar 20 12:47:48 Chat I've never tried that many good things at one time in my whole life before, or since Mar 20 12:48:04 I never ate soo much beef in my life Mar 20 12:48:08 Hehe Mar 20 12:48:55 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_compatible_cellphone_providers]] Mar 20 12:49:19 * koen heads out to buy a SIM for his neo Mar 20 12:51:43 * CM flips the red-green tile to green (hint at koen) Mar 20 12:51:51 :) Mar 20 12:52:16 if you bring 12 people you even get a discount Mar 20 12:52:23 so we brought 27 people :) Mar 20 12:54:09 :) Mar 20 12:55:43 mickeyl: I think using libmrss was a good idea. It allows me to focus on the UI and Model Site of things Mar 20 12:56:36 yeah Mar 20 12:56:52 i'm all for external libraries if they don't come with insane dependencies Mar 20 12:59:28 mickeyl: Tonight evening I will look into GThread and using ModelFilter and ModelSort Mar 20 12:59:43 great! crossing fingers Mar 20 13:00:37 mickeyl: any comments/feedback on the Gstreamer SoC idea that I sent to the devel mailing list ? Mar 20 13:04:06 unmadindu: I'm not sure I understand the aim of the project Mar 20 13:04:21 "porting" Gstreamer to neo is not necessary Mar 20 13:04:30 is it about an audioplayer that uses gstreamer? Mar 20 13:04:31 koen: What did it cost? I never got to see the receipt.. Mar 20 13:04:38 or what exactly? Mar 20 13:04:46 that and my overload prevented any comments yet, sorry Mar 20 13:05:34 if unmandindo doesn't answer...i think it was something in the sense of the new kde multimedia framework Mar 20 13:05:52 so that there would be a generic way to do stuff on openmoko layer, such as playing audio Mar 20 13:05:58 mickeyl, i think he wants to run gstreamer on openmoko and stream audio to other devices over bluetooth Mar 20 13:06:02 mickeyl: essentially, the aim is to integrate Gstreamer into the OpenMoko framework, so that just like you have libmokoui for creating UI related stuff (using the widgets provided by the lib), 3rd party app developers can easily develop multimedia applications on top of the stack (without worrying much about adding a lot of dependencies) Mar 20 13:06:05 and this openmoko layer would then take care of the actual process Mar 20 13:06:25 okay, three versions Mar 20 13:07:27 empty_mind: gstreamer is not just for streaming - you cna use it to do all kind of multimedia stuff, from simple playback to non linear editing and other fancy stuff Mar 20 13:07:27 unmadindu, but we already have alsa running on openmoko Mar 20 13:07:34 unmadindu: i see. this sounds like an ambitioned project. would a high-level API for triggering audio events be a result of that? Mar 20 13:07:50 unmadindu: because this is what we need the most atm. :) we can't play ring tones yet, heh Mar 20 13:07:59 mickeyl: I thought that was already inside libmokoui Mar 20 13:08:05 How did the pulse audio discussions go? Mar 20 13:08:15 mickeyl: I thought you were going to fire up frodo for the ringtones Mar 20 13:08:25 unmadindu: it's scheduled for inclusion in libmokoui, but alas, i haven't had time :/ Mar 20 13:08:31 XorA: nah, UAE Mar 20 13:09:02 wooble wooble wooble woooble, boink boink boink boink Mar 20 13:09:03 mickeyl: it is possible - gstreamer would provide you with all the audio and video related functionality that you may want Mar 20 13:09:07 and repeat Mar 20 13:09:16 empty_mind: alsa-lib is too low level - Mar 20 13:09:20 figuring out what to do for SoC is hard, cos there isn't anything specific that can be implemented in that timeframe Mar 20 13:09:31 there is nothing certain, what will be finished by then and what not Mar 20 13:09:42 3 months is a long time Mar 20 13:10:01 i agree, that's why application applications are easier than library enhancement applications Mar 20 13:10:07 450 man hours Mar 20 13:10:13 but in any case we can help you to refine your proposal Mar 20 13:10:17 we just need an application for a start :) Mar 20 13:10:28 (application as in GSoC application, not software application :)) Mar 20 13:10:42 guaqua: the deliverables are basically, 1. integrating gstreamer into the build system 2. developing the media player as outlined in the wiki on top of the stack as a PoC Mar 20 13:10:47 It's not that easy to make applications when the libs aren't done either. ;) Mar 20 13:11:09 mickeyl: umm, do I use the web based form at google to submit the application ? Mar 20 13:11:10 univac: 1. is done Mar 20 13:11:15 1. is done Mar 20 13:11:19 pH5: Good to hear that is doesn't seem to be such a big hardware problem after all Mar 20 13:11:27 damn auto comp[lete Mar 20 13:11:41 I have to sync with oe... Mar 20 13:12:17 unmadindu: yes, i think that's the way. Mar 20 13:12:31 mickeyl: so I can modify it later on if I want to ? Mar 20 13:12:38 unmadindu: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/README?root=selfone&rev=3&view=markup Mar 20 13:12:51 unmadindu: i think so, yes. bear with me i never submitted an application, so I'm not exactly an expert in that area Mar 20 13:13:02 mickeyl: ok :-) Mar 20 13:13:37 hrw: checking... Mar 20 13:13:39 what would you think of an application that would do the basic gps receiver stuff. for example show speeds and bearings and that kind of stuff. i have quite a few ideas for sailing and how it could be used there? Mar 20 13:14:06 unmadindu: you can change abstract part at any time and description part one after each mentors comment Mar 20 13:14:19 Magon: oh - great. thanks :-) Mar 20 13:14:22 and you can add your own commends at any time you want to Mar 20 13:14:22 or is the basic receiver and basic gps-info going to be a core app? Mar 20 13:14:24 openmoko: 03mickey * r1437 10/trunk/oe/packages/gsm/ (files/gsmd libgsmd_svn.bb): oe/gsm: submit dmesg -n1 in gsmd start script to make sure Mar 20 13:14:52 guaqua: sailing + gps + gsm + cron == happy captain Mar 20 13:14:54 CM: 35 real pp or 28 real with a group Mar 20 13:15:08 :) Mar 20 13:15:24 %CSQ is signal strength reporting? Mar 20 13:15:29 hrw: yes, sailed dinghies for hald my life and bigger boats for the last 5 :) Mar 20 13:15:48 what's the meaning on the three values? i.e. (16,99,1) Mar 20 13:16:31 mickeyl: http://www.nobbi.com/atgsm.htm#+csq Mar 20 13:16:35 thanks Mar 20 13:16:44 what values do you get on your magician usually? Mar 20 13:16:46 but this is the problem...what do you think, would there be someone interested in this kinda thing? Mar 20 13:16:49 guaqua: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6458005.stm Mar 20 13:17:12 looks i'm not getting anything above 20 Mar 20 13:17:23 although my Sony Ericsson gives 4 of 4 bars here in my office Mar 20 13:17:35 I'd expect the usual wireless thing of poorly defined random units with random scales :) Mar 20 13:17:36 and the Neo sits right next to it Mar 20 13:17:39 hehe Mar 20 13:17:44 sounds likely, ya Mar 20 13:18:00 by the way, if it clears the confusion, here's a modified version of the framework diagram http://sayamindu.randomink.org/soc/ofm.svg Mar 20 13:18:13 The 'bars' mashes down as I understand it signal strength and quality into one measure. Mar 20 13:18:21 XorA: would require a speaking framework aswell Mar 20 13:18:26 to guess at the likelyhood of you getting a call. Mar 20 13:18:34 although that might be kinda cool to implement aswell Mar 20 13:18:39 guaqua: just that looks like a group thats interested in that sort of thing Mar 20 13:18:42 why am i getting this error http://pastebin.ca/403529 though i have xau and xau dev packages installed on debian Mar 20 13:18:49 hmm Mar 20 13:18:53 CM: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/428063065/ <- spot the hidden message Mar 20 13:18:55 these events come regularly Mar 20 13:18:56 XorA: ? Mar 20 13:19:00 unmadindu: What did you draw that with? Mar 20 13:19:03 I'd guess that the three might be signal, quality, have signal, for example. Mar 20 13:19:11 is that based on a timeframe or on actual reception, i.e. will i get two consecutive ones with the same strenght or probably not ? Mar 20 13:19:13 CM: inkscape Mar 20 13:19:21 guaqua: poeple guided on land instead of sea, but basically the same problem Mar 20 13:19:37 I'd guess it's based on reception, probably with some lag as the reciever is often not on all the time. Mar 20 13:19:42 right Mar 20 13:19:43 yes, but i'm looking for an app that's suitable for SoC :) Mar 20 13:19:49 koen: Hehe.. Capiriña! Mar 20 13:19:54 :) Mar 20 13:20:03 * mickeyl tries to make a phone call using the dialer now Mar 20 13:20:08 koen: you get SIM in a tin? Mar 20 13:20:09 the best way is probably to turn on logging, and wander around places with poere reception. Mar 20 13:20:18 * SpeedEvil declaims "Use the force!". Mar 20 13:20:26 XorA: yes, that surprised me as well Mar 20 13:20:27 mickeyl: unsolicited SQ is vendor specific, so anything could happen. I guess it only notifies you when it changes, though. Mar 20 13:20:34 mickeyl: beware of the speakerphone button! Mar 20 13:21:01 koen: they could at least have filled it with beans :-) Mar 20 13:21:16 on the magician I got values around 17 vor CSQ, but I'm not sure if that's the norm because the HTC firmware doesn't have %CSQ Mar 20 13:21:52 instead they have some strange %HTCCSQ that returns numbers from 0 to 5 (= bars in wince) Mar 20 13:22:09 interesting Mar 20 13:22:13 that correlates with my findings Mar 20 13:22:18 16-19 here on the Neo Mar 20 13:22:24 oscillating Mar 20 13:22:26 without me moving it Mar 20 13:22:28 *shrug* Mar 20 13:23:15 grrr Mar 20 13:23:29 * mickeyl wants to shoot the dialer coder Mar 20 13:23:29 mickeyl: most of readings from any sensor will oscilate Mar 20 13:25:19 * mickeyl rips all the command line stuff out and makes the dialer respect the 'dial' button Mar 20 13:26:47 mickeyl: you want even call already ? ;-) Mar 20 13:27:11 Magon: It already works :-) Mar 20 13:27:26 morning * Mar 20 13:27:46 cheers alphaone Mar 20 13:28:16 alphaone: which alsa state is 100% working for handset call? Mar 20 13:28:38 (or XorA, for that matter) Mar 20 13:29:06 gsmhandsetalc.state Mar 20 13:29:26 alc Mar 20 13:29:27 * Magon building openmoko in order to get closer look what have to be done for my SoC idea Mar 20 13:29:33 Automatic Level Control Mar 20 13:29:34 is that in the new alsa-state package ? Mar 20 13:29:36 mickeyl: I had to modify it... Mar 20 13:29:42 alphaone: how? Mar 20 13:29:47 one sec Mar 20 13:29:50 thanks Mar 20 13:30:01 * mickeyl thinks Neo1973 is almost there Mar 20 13:30:03 better updating to head Mar 20 13:30:06 as a telephone Mar 20 13:30:07 *cough* Mar 20 13:30:13 mickeyl: http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/~gg/gsmhandset.working.state Mar 20 13:30:17 mickeyl: http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/~gg/gsmheadset.working.state Mar 20 13:30:20 thanks XorA Mar 20 13:30:22 Magon: what is your project? Mar 20 13:30:27 mickeyl: http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/~gg/gsmhandsetalc.state Mar 20 13:30:31 guaqua: Footer Mar 20 13:30:36 mm Mar 20 13:30:37 XorA: three? Mar 20 13:30:45 Right, that link Mar 20 13:30:51 XorA: what's the difference between working and alc ? Mar 20 13:30:52 mickeyl: one is headset, one is handset, and one is handset via the ALC Mar 20 13:31:08 so for actual calling, ALC would be preferred? Mar 20 13:31:19 mickeyl: the ALC should adjust the level to a good one automatically, but I dont fully inderstand the unit yet Mar 20 13:31:29 heh Mar 20 13:31:31 ok, thanks Mar 20 13:32:59 * mickeyl tries to tell something to its answering machine to verify the mic is actually working Mar 20 13:35:01 hmm. just thinking. what would a speech reader for the moko sound like as an idea? Mar 20 13:35:11 to enable it to be used by the blind, for example Mar 20 13:35:12 good. Mar 20 13:35:22 It's not only the blind. Mar 20 13:35:31 or just add extra functionality, like when you are driving Mar 20 13:35:42 It's also a nice option - for example, you might want it to read your SMSs to you. Mar 20 13:35:46 incoming SMS Mar 20 13:36:08 i found this nvda project that's written in python for windows Mar 20 13:36:22 I was surprised to find that it is possible to listen to speech at 500+WPM. Mar 20 13:36:34 yeeeeeeeeeeah Mar 20 13:36:40 you have sound ?-) Mar 20 13:36:43 yeah! Mar 20 13:36:45 cool Mar 20 13:36:47 tsp - occasionally in #freenode-social uses a speech reader at an insane speed. Mar 20 13:36:48 :) Mar 20 13:36:52 my first Neo call on the answering machine Mar 20 13:36:57 that's really cool Mar 20 13:36:57 Through the 'proper' dialer? Mar 20 13:37:01 yep Mar 20 13:37:05 * mickeyl starts getting faith in the project again Mar 20 13:37:05 mickeyl: got no friends :-) Mar 20 13:37:08 :) Mar 20 13:37:08 :) Mar 20 13:37:17 mickeyl, now take 10 mins to celebrate :) Mar 20 13:37:21 XorA: no. since working on OpenMoko i didn't go out Mar 20 13:37:27 so all my friends are pissed off Mar 20 13:37:28 heh Mar 20 13:37:29 mickeyl: proposal submitted Mar 20 13:37:30 So, does it work 'as a basic touchscreen phone' now? Mar 20 13:37:33 mickeyl: buy the leffe Mar 20 13:37:35 unmadindu: cool Mar 20 13:37:41 SpeedEvil: yeah Mar 20 13:37:44 :) Mar 20 13:37:45 actually Mar 20 13:37:49 * mickeyl checks the refrigerator Mar 20 13:37:57 ~spell refridgerator Mar 20 13:38:00 possible spellings for refridgerator: refrigerator refrigerate refrigerators refrigerator's refrigerated refrigerates Mar 20 13:38:04 * mickeyl finds Leffe Brun Mar 20 13:38:07 * mickeyl opens Mar 20 13:38:09 Cheers guys Mar 20 13:38:24 is that some cigar ?-) Mar 20 13:38:24 :D Mar 20 13:38:27 mickeyl: doh! Mar 20 13:38:32 * mickeyl is outta here Mar 20 13:38:32 * SpeedEvil edits wiki with new info. Mar 20 13:38:34 ;) Mar 20 13:38:40 heh Mar 20 13:38:42 * koen submits the moko-squid project and makes a lot of noise without showing code Mar 20 13:38:54 hmm Mar 20 13:38:56 * xkr47 put EARs into his ear Mar 20 13:39:02 koen: squid? Mar 20 13:39:07 mokotalk, hmm...how does that sound? :) Mar 20 13:39:11 zecke: I read your last mail Mar 20 13:39:19 koen: your project sucks compared to my moko-pr0n Mar 20 13:39:24 koen: patent pending :) Mar 20 13:39:48 patent bending Mar 20 13:40:13 aaargh Mar 20 13:40:18 ~lart sim in a can Mar 20 13:40:18 * apt readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at sim in a can Mar 20 13:40:32 * koen cleans the blood of his neo Mar 20 13:41:55 koen: how many times do we have to tell you...... your neo can not be used to shave with Mar 20 13:42:06 :D Mar 20 13:42:48 or atleast not until vesion p155 Mar 20 13:43:15 until then we'll have to use the usb shaver :) Mar 20 13:45:12 mickeyl: you found Leffe Brun shop in FTA/FFM? Mar 20 13:46:11 mickeyl: What rootfs are you using? Mar 20 13:47:48 mickeyl: With newest rootfs Bug #289 is acting up here... Mar 20 13:48:55 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review]] [[Documentation]] [[Manually_using_GSM]] [[FAQ]] Mar 20 13:49:37 *** glibc detected *** gsmd: free(): invalid pointer: 0x00018110 *** Mar 20 13:49:55 Uuh, glibc detected, that's bad Mar 20 13:50:00 Better get uclibc quickly! Mar 20 13:55:13 * XorA turns the Neo into chipmunk mode Mar 20 13:57:04 * hrw fights with gstreamer Mar 20 13:58:13 hrw: why ? Mar 20 13:58:20 why fight? Mar 20 13:58:30 mickeyl, do you need a patch/plugin which will alert openmoko-devel mailing list with title and public description of the project registered for approval ? Mar 20 13:58:30 yep Mar 20 13:58:35 Round 2! Fight! Mar 20 13:58:44 unmadindu: because I'm paid to get it working in some strange setup Mar 20 13:58:55 * empty_mind fights with x,org compilation bug Mar 20 13:58:55 hrw: oh - ok :-) Mar 20 13:59:23 0:00:06.680000000 2883 0x1d9b8 INFO GST_ELEMENT_FACTORY gstelementfactory.c:375:gst_element_factory_create: creating element "pipeline" Mar 20 13:59:26 Segmentation fault Mar 20 13:59:54 mickeyl: why can't I call someone from inside the phonebook? Mar 20 13:59:54 koen|away: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Mar 20 14:00:27 ugh.. gdb time :-( Mar 20 14:01:46 koen|away: you newb :-) Mar 20 14:01:47 hrw, well luckily it doesn't take 6 hours to reproduce :P Mar 20 14:08:36 cute, you can crash the neo by turning off power to the gsm modem Mar 20 14:09:35 sounds like a tamagotchi :) Mar 20 14:10:06 urgh. automagically generated C code is fugly. Mar 20 14:10:09 koen|away: See Bug 289 Mar 20 14:10:21 I think thats the same issue Mar 20 14:10:29 Stephmw, worse than perl ?-) Mar 20 14:10:59 mickeyl: I don't seem to get PIN entry... Mar 20 14:11:18 * XorA hates the reset to factory defaults menu option :-) Mar 20 14:11:35 reset to XorA defaults Mar 20 14:13:01 xkr47: dunno... the file I'm looking at atm is 147k source Mar 20 14:13:07 uuh Mar 20 14:13:48 ... there are many like it, but this one is the one I have to grok Mar 20 14:13:49 :D Mar 20 14:16:53 hmm, moko headset is horrendous Mar 20 14:17:33 :( Mar 20 14:17:47 Just cheap and bad? Mar 20 14:17:51 i found an open source speech synthesis thingie... Mar 20 14:18:00 festival? Mar 20 14:18:03 There are many. Mar 20 14:18:07 flite, moreso Mar 20 14:18:10 festival is the elephant in the room. Mar 20 14:18:18 lite version this is Mar 20 14:18:28 they've been able to make it work on strongarm Mar 20 14:18:39 Then there is flite, and one 70K binary that I've got, and can't remember the name of. Mar 20 14:18:52 i'm thinking this as my SoC project Mar 20 14:19:03 i'd just like to know there is some hope Mar 20 14:23:52 guaqua: http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:QtbaSjj2sb8J:moimart.org/category/flite/page/2/+FliteWidget&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=flock <- gstreamer-flite plugin for Maemo :-) Mar 20 14:24:44 hrw: no Leffe Brune shop, but these are the remainders of someone who visited Belgium last year :) Mar 20 14:25:04 alphaone: I'm using the P0 official rootfs with my updated gsm package Mar 20 14:25:45 alphaone: i don't get a PIN entry either, but that's probably due to my SIM. I always disable PIN1 Mar 20 14:26:00 mickeyl Okay, I'm now using a rootfs built the 17th and the latest openmoko-dialer, gsmd and libgsmd0 Mar 20 14:26:01 koen: no idea, please don't ask me about any bugs in dialer... i just started dissecting it Mar 20 14:26:24 And that seems to work - except for the pin entry Mar 20 14:27:21 counter?? Mar 20 14:27:25 counter? Mar 20 14:27:25 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; P0: devices shipped at 2007-03-05; a week, 6 days 21:32:34 (13.898 +-7.0 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-04-02); 5 months, 3 weeks, 5 days (179.898 +-15.0 days) for mass market (2007-09-15): see topic for more info (577) Mar 20 14:27:39 ^__^ Mar 20 14:27:43 alphaone: http://rafb.net/p/NSknQV97.html Mar 20 14:29:00 koen: Then the kernel hangs or does the output hang? Mar 20 14:29:33 alphaone: nothing hangs Mar 20 14:30:24 koen: Try dmesg -n1 before connecting to the serial line Mar 20 14:31:48 unmadindu: now the only thing is to cross-compile and someone to try it on neo Mar 20 14:31:48 * noidd thwaps xkr47 for his anti-perl thwap Mar 20 14:32:44 koen: Newer images should take care of that automagically Mar 20 14:32:44 guaqua: umm, the flite gstreamer plugin is probably dependant on some Maemo specific widget. That may need to be changed Mar 20 14:33:02 unmadindu: yes, but flite in general Mar 20 14:33:19 alphaone: how does doing dmesg -n1 make the modem work? Mar 20 14:33:22 guaqua: yeah.. Mar 20 14:33:26 unmadindu: if flite in general can be compiled for the platform and it works, then it shouldn't be a problem to make it into something else Mar 20 14:33:45 alphaone: and no, newer images don't do that, only the ones build from openmoko svn, which I don't use, since it is too buggy Mar 20 14:33:52 koen: It keeps the kernel from spilling out messages to the gsm modem Mar 20 14:34:21 guaqua: the maemo people even have a dbus interface to flite Mar 20 14:34:22 s/newer images/newer images built from openmoko svn/ then Mar 20 14:35:21 koen: angstrom ones are unusable without external keyboard ;( Mar 20 14:35:44 morning wansti Mar 20 14:36:29 hrw: why? Mar 20 14:36:33 alphaone: morning? i already worked six hours today :-P Mar 20 14:36:38 hrw: I have mbinmputmg in my panel Mar 20 14:36:55 koen: I did not had when built it some time ago Mar 20 14:36:59 alphaone: and, looking at our kitchen, there's more waiting for me :-P Mar 20 14:36:59 what does maemo widget mean in general english? Mar 20 14:37:28 'maemo' is a made up word Mar 20 14:37:44 i was referring to the term widget Mar 20 14:37:51 is it some general addon or what? Mar 20 14:40:12 openmoko: 03mickey * r1438 10/trunk/oe/packages/alsa/ (8 files in 2 dirs): oe/alsa: fix PACKAGE_ARCH, add improved alsa states into repository Mar 20 14:41:00 wansti: Heh :-) Mar 20 14:46:25 alphaone: why would the kernel put messages into the gsm modem? Mar 20 14:46:33 alphaone: wrong CMDLINE for the kernel? Mar 20 14:46:57 koen: ttySAC0 is also console Mar 20 14:47:10 so a wrong CMDLINE Mar 20 14:47:19 koen: yeah Mar 20 14:47:27 koen: It's not a wrong cmdline if you have the debug board connected Mar 20 14:48:04 koen: Since then you want the serial console on ttySAC0... Mar 20 14:48:33 alphaone: ehm Mar 20 14:48:40 alphaone: IT'S A PHONE!!!! Mar 20 14:49:00 people with a debug board can use uboot to frob CMDLINE Mar 20 14:49:20 you dont even need a debug board to fix u-boot Mar 20 14:49:31 aloril: With all your spell weaving handwaving talk you must love this screen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jLmwjN4wwE ;) Mar 20 14:49:46 koen: Now it is, yeah :-) Mar 20 14:51:49 koen: So just remove the commandline in the u-boot environment and submit a bug report Mar 20 14:52:30 * koen fixes the kernel recipe first Mar 20 14:53:30 openmoko: 03mickey * r1439 10/trunk/oe/packages/openmoko-base/openmoko-theme-standard_svn.bb: oe/openmoko-base: ensure our theme is active (ugly hack for now) Mar 20 14:55:20 the coolest hack would be to prefix all console messages with an AT command that does nothing Mar 20 14:56:26 openmoko: 03mickey * r1440 10/trunk/oe/packages/gsm/ (files/gsmd libgsmd_svn.bb): oe/gsm: add (temporary demo) hack to gsmd start script setting alsa handset mode Mar 20 14:59:49 mickeyl: getting in gear to ship p1? Mar 20 15:00:51 kind of Mar 20 15:00:57 zecke: can you give a link to your python related stuff? and if you need hosting, i have a server with 5MB upstream available Mar 20 15:01:05 i want the guys in Taiwan to be able to demo a phone call out-of-the-box Mar 20 15:01:14 hopefully somewhere later today this is finished Mar 20 15:01:24 then i can go on banging some sense into the dialer Mar 20 15:02:05 guaqua: I'm still waiting for a functional projects site Mar 20 15:03:02 so you have basic hosting? Mar 20 15:03:23 guaqua: projects.openmoko.org but the svn repository is not functional Mar 20 15:05:02 alphaone: another #256 dance solved it Mar 20 15:05:04 can you still give an url so i can tinker with stuff in the meantime? :) Mar 20 15:05:30 guaqua: http://page.mi.fu-berlin.de/~freyther/python-openmoko-0.3.tar.bz2 Mar 20 15:05:55 (script) openmoko-devel: Sean Moss-Pultz Re: FeedReader for OpenMoko Mar 20 15:06:06 are you giving out the sources of the feedreader, zecke? Mar 20 15:06:38 guaqua: http://page.mi.fu-berlin.de/~freyther/openmoko-rssreader-0.0.1.tar.bz2 Mar 20 15:07:08 tanks Mar 20 15:07:10 mickeyl: it looks like ttf dejavu is not fetchable :} Mar 20 15:07:12 thanks that is Mar 20 15:08:08 phonecall! Mar 20 15:08:40 * koen|away claims "first EABI phonecall" Mar 20 15:08:47 zecke: that's hrw's baby Mar 20 15:09:27 * k-s is away: Lunch Mar 20 15:09:40 koen: you are too late Mar 20 15:10:08 XorA: sssssht! Mar 20 15:10:37 koen|away: actually I cant remeber if the angstrom-bootstrap I used for debugging the neo audio was EABI or not Mar 20 15:10:58 zecke: fscking sf.net Mar 20 15:11:13 heh Mar 20 15:11:18 koen|away: are you using openmoko or angstrom as distro? Mar 20 15:11:34 my number is being recognized as "ATD" Mar 20 15:11:39 pH5: angstrom Mar 20 15:11:47 pH5: I don't use clones ;) Mar 20 15:11:58 nice. Mar 20 15:12:03 * pH5 starts yet another image build Mar 20 15:13:21 koen|away: Is there an Openmoko-angstrom_for_dummies wiki page? :) Mar 20 15:14:17 http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/the-short-and-sweet-guide-to-building-openmoko-for-ngstr-m Mar 20 15:15:58 Nice :) Mar 20 15:16:48 (no need for the svn overlay) Mar 20 15:17:33 hrw: :) Mar 20 15:17:46 mickeyl: see, for ttf-dejavu no new bugreports are created Mar 20 15:17:49 Who picked Ångström for the name btw? Å is a tricky char for many ppl Mar 20 15:17:59 CM: mickeyl and me Mar 20 15:18:11 :) Mar 20 15:18:36 the Cabal Mar 20 15:18:40 I like it of course, being swedish and actually getting to use my å-key Mar 20 15:19:11 option-shift-a on a mac Mar 20 15:19:15 at least it'll remind people not to assume ascii-only Mar 20 15:19:46 Ã¥f cÃ¥urse I alsÃ¥ have it Ã¥n my keybÃ¥ard, being Finnish Mar 20 15:20:34 mjr: stripping out the '?' I saw... "f curse I als have it n my keybard, being Finnish" Mar 20 15:20:46 at least you're still comprehensible :) Mar 20 15:21:38 well, you're running irssi, so you should be able to use utf-8, depending on how well your local, settings and terminal agree Mar 20 15:21:45 locale Mar 20 15:22:05 here Ã… is ralt+shift+[ then shift-a Mar 20 15:22:05 openmoko: 03mickey * r1441 10/trunk/src/target/debug/input/input.pro: debug/input: use gcc to link Mar 20 15:23:29 mjr: I have the ungodly mixture of irssi, SCREEN and PuTTY.... haven't found an agreeable way of displaying utf8 yet Mar 20 15:24:17 uhm... putty is so win32ish...? Mar 20 15:24:28 hey, I'm at work, no choice :) Mar 20 15:24:37 can't ssh from the linux buildfarm Mar 20 15:24:42 hehehe, ok Mar 20 15:24:44 screen needs to be run with -U to pass UTF8 on my computer Mar 20 15:24:46 I do believe that putty will happily show utf-8, given a unicode font Mar 20 15:24:56 Stephmw: I have too Mar 20 15:25:01 Stephmw: screen -U Mar 20 15:25:03 but it's doable with irssi and screen Mar 20 15:25:08 balrog-kun, -U forces utf-8 mode in screen, yes, however if you run it in an UTF-8 locale, it's not required Mar 20 15:25:16 screens seems to have no problem with UTF-8 here... Mar 20 15:25:20 ah, yeah Mar 20 15:25:32 yea Mar 20 15:25:55 I still do need the -U switch on my irc box, as that's the Uni's old Solaris Mar 20 15:26:22 how would I go about finding out what my default locale is? Mar 20 15:26:37 Stephmw: run 'locale'? Mar 20 15:26:43 hi Mar 20 15:27:19 hrw: LANG is empty, as is LC_ALL, the rest shows POSIX Mar 20 15:28:12 POSIX has ASCII as its charset, so no wonder you don't see any fancier characters :] Mar 20 15:30:00 someone port this to Neo http://www.ngltc.org/train_depot/td.htm Mar 20 15:31:31 hey, i am trying to build a distro for the simputer (http://simputer.org), i tried the getting started guide and have now built core-utils based on linux-2.6.18. Now i see the target has a bunch of ipkg files, how can you install this onto the device? Mar 20 15:31:32 shres: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Mar 20 15:31:56 * shres is awed by aloril's coolness Mar 20 15:32:28 i ask about oe here since, the openmoko project does similar stuff. Mar 20 15:32:48 shres: i believe there's #oe Mar 20 15:33:29 vmaster, oh thanks, i tried #openembedded and it had only one person. Sorry for the inconvenience Mar 20 15:33:59 shres: you're welcome Mar 20 15:37:13 shres: #oe Mar 20 15:41:38 mickey|lunch: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/images/neo-calling.png Mar 20 15:45:39 nice to see contact pictures are supported as well Mar 20 15:45:55 * koen|away rsynced ~/.evolution to his neo Mar 20 15:48:55 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Battery/de%26action%3Dedit]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] Mar 20 16:36:41 rwhitby: pingy Mar 20 16:42:04 ok...the MokoMakefile is looking for ttf-dejavu-2.15 but only 2.12 exists...well i did a sneak by downloading it and renaming it..but didntwork at the install phase.. Mar 20 16:42:22 openmoko: 03thomas * r1442 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/artwork/icons/ (133 files in 17 dirs): * Added icon theme files and layout Mar 20 16:45:20 Sup3rkiddo: You can change the sourceforge mirror in openmoko/trunk/oe/conf/site.conf ... Mar 20 16:45:40 TobiX: thanks mate...found it Mar 20 16:45:42 Sup3rkiddo: switch.dl.sf.net has the file... Mar 20 16:46:02 TobiX: oh..i changed the 2.15 to 2.12..oh well... Mar 20 16:46:06 TobiX: thanks Mar 20 16:48:55 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[ChangeLog]] [[OpenMoko_Wiki_Editing_Guidelines/de]] Mar 20 16:57:45 openmoko: 03thomas * r1443 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/artwork/icons/ (AUTHORS COPYING ChangeLog NEWS README): * Add files required by autotools Mar 20 16:58:02 Sup3rkiddo: the makefile isn't looking for anything Mar 20 16:59:46 koen: hmm..yeah..i found that by now...:D, i thought the Makefile was a script like that e17 script Mar 20 17:13:18 openmoko: 03mickey * r1444 10/trunk/src/target/debug/input/ (input input.c): debug-input: remove bogus binary Mar 20 17:14:28 * ks-[AWAY_WORK] is back. Mar 20 17:24:26 dont know if this query reach the channel earlier as i got disconnected. But anyone has a workaround to this http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=244 Mar 20 17:25:32 cc1: internal compiler error: in add_path, at c-incpath.c:362 Mar 20 17:25:37 why? why to me? Mar 20 17:29:05 counter Mar 20 17:29:05 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 6 days 18:30:54 (13.771 +-7.0 days) (578) Mar 20 17:30:17 aloril, out of curosity, you a human , a bot or some hybrid thingie Mar 20 17:30:40 Hi all. We're interested in buying a few neo1973 handsets as a platform for context-aware mobile apps. What's the process of ordering or pre-ordering? Mar 20 17:31:37 natp: when you need it? Mar 20 17:35:43 there is no announced process as yet. Mar 20 17:38:59 openmoko: 03mickey * r1445 10/trunk/src/host/dfu-util/ (configure.ac src/Makefile.am): dfu-util: use pkg-config to check for libusb Mar 20 17:40:50 Magon: ASAP Mar 20 17:41:02 OpenMoko looks much nicer than the greenphone Mar 20 17:41:12 Partly because I'm used to Gtk+ programming Mar 20 17:41:20 And also because of the vibrant community Mar 20 17:41:44 We want to release our research software and get it into as many hands as possible to see what people can come up with Mar 20 17:42:26 natp: context-aware, as in location-based? Mar 20 17:43:35 koen: location and other things Mar 20 17:43:59 we're working on a set of services that would allow apps to be extensible with new context-aware capabilities without change Mar 20 17:44:31 so, for example, a messaging app would be able to send messages to rooms in a building when you enter a building that provides that service Mar 20 17:45:06 or you could write a music player controller (playlist) app that picked songs that matched the current weather Mar 20 17:45:21 etc. etc. Mar 20 17:45:41 need a weathervane. Mar 20 17:45:42 :) Mar 20 17:46:02 np: The Weathergirls - It's raining men. Mar 20 17:46:25 we're also experimenting with body sensors and some people in the team are working on algorithms to infer context from your activities Mar 20 17:46:32 and sensor readings Mar 20 17:46:50 SpeedEvil: Lazy Sunday Afternoon by the Kinks Mar 20 17:47:03 as long as you've got a big enough SD card! Mar 20 17:47:25 hi Mar 20 17:48:55 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Current_events]] Mar 20 17:52:21 $350 for the phone... I can get an openezx phone for ~$150 right now Mar 20 17:52:24 openmoko: 03mickey * r1446 10/trunk/oe/packages/openmoko-base/openmoko-icon-theme-standard_svn.bb: oe: add recipe for openmoko-icon-theme Mar 20 17:53:01 openmoko: 03mickey * r1447 10/trunk/oe/conf/distro/include/preferred-openmoko-versions.inc: oe/conf: add openmoko-icon-theme-standard Mar 20 17:53:48 openmoko: 03mickey * r1448 10/trunk/oe/packages/tasks/task-openmoko.bb: oe/tasks: add openmoko-icon-theme to task-openmoko Mar 20 17:55:19 c5jr: so get an openezx phone and help porting openmoko to qvga :) Mar 20 17:55:43 I have an openezx phone and have been doing some work for almost a year now :) Mar 20 17:55:58 I just need to know what direction to go in... I am swamped at my full-time work Mar 20 17:55:59 pH5: i assume this also means porting openmoko to "having no touchscreen"? Mar 20 17:55:59 SP8472: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Mar 20 17:56:40 empty_mind: yes, a new project proposed trigger would be nice Mar 20 17:56:55 that might actually be more work than reducing the res., assuming usability is supposed to not suck Mar 20 17:56:56 hmm someone has proposed a spanish project Mar 20 17:57:11 i can't understand anything :D Mar 20 17:58:51 SP8472: oh, I didn't know that there are touchscreenless ezx phones. Mar 20 17:58:57 maybe those would be better off with gpephone. Mar 20 17:59:36 yeah they have a few touchscreenless ezxs Mar 20 17:59:44 but theyre mostly useless imo Mar 20 18:03:43 pH5: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/0253eb9420aa021c779047dcea0ce8ca.png Mar 20 18:04:13 ooh Mar 20 18:04:30 koen: SWEET Mar 20 18:04:45 s/abiword/abiword-embedded/ Mar 20 18:05:07 hiho Mar 20 18:05:10 cheat :) Mar 20 18:05:46 now I'm longing for a slide-out keyboard again. Mar 20 18:05:54 d00d koen dont you want a /g after that s/// ? Mar 20 18:51:26 /nick zecke|moko Mar 20 18:58:34 mickey|sports: http://page.mi.fu-berlin.de/~freyther/mokolibs-klammern-r0.diff Mar 20 19:01:09 zecke: does that infer you're ircing from your moko? :-) Mar 20 19:05:53 no, not yet Mar 20 19:06:27 I'm certain irssi will work :) Mar 20 19:07:09 zecke|moko: correct :) Mar 20 19:07:18 haha Mar 20 19:07:19 nice Mar 20 19:07:39 when I get home this evening I'm going to try and get a bluetooth keyboard working Mar 20 19:07:52 I'm guessing that everythingis there already and its just a case of documenting it Mar 20 19:08:18 noidd: and writing a nice GUI for searching and connecting the keyboard Mar 20 19:09:07 indeedy Mar 20 19:09:33 I have an unhealthy obsession with my laser keyboard Mar 20 19:10:04 k-s: how's celfone going? Mar 20 19:10:07 ehm Mar 20 19:10:09 selfone Mar 20 19:13:16 Hi :) Mar 20 19:13:18 counter Mar 20 19:13:18 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 6 days 16:46:41 (13.699 +-7.0 days) (579) Mar 20 19:13:24 koen: stalled Mar 20 19:13:50 koen: I tried to get pavel to work with it, but he opted to keep working with his own code Mar 20 19:14:03 k-s: ah, too bad Mar 20 19:14:16 koen: I talked to Johan (nokia bluetooth guy) today about n800 and sco... maybe we can get it working Mar 20 19:14:21 did anyone use g_async_queue here? Mar 20 19:14:53 koen: and some talk with bluetooth and even opensync may lead to a library to deal with AT commands Mar 20 19:15:02 k-s: nice Mar 20 19:15:04 koen: it's replicated all over the places :-( Mar 20 19:15:48 k-s: marcel mentioned something like that when we talked about gsm multiplexers Mar 20 19:15:56 koen: yes... Mar 20 19:16:05 koen: he is still here in recife :-) Mar 20 19:16:19 I know :) Mar 20 19:16:23 En E1 :P Mar 20 19:16:46 these brazilian women ;-) Mar 20 19:16:55 k-s: show marcel http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=734 ;) Mar 20 19:21:19 Are there some webmaster of OM project ? Mar 20 19:21:32 koen: :-D Mar 20 19:21:49 koen are you alive? :P Mar 20 19:22:07 Mandarino: it seems so :) Mar 20 19:22:13 xD Mar 20 19:22:51 I've registered openmoko.es Mar 20 19:23:14 opensnot.es Mar 20 19:23:32 uh :? Mar 20 19:24:09 opensnot.es it doesn't resolve ... Mar 20 19:24:16 .es is spain, right? Mar 20 19:24:20 Yes :) Mar 20 19:24:24 noidd, :D Mar 20 19:24:38 and moko is snot, right? Mar 20 19:24:57 people keep going on about moko ~= moco Mar 20 19:24:59 xkr47" you saw my comment about thwacking you about perl earlier? Mar 20 19:25:01 xDDDDDDDDDDD Mar 20 19:25:08 you are very bad xD Mar 20 19:26:26 After this bad joke.... Do you want to redirect the domain? Mar 20 19:27:08 noidd, sure I did :) Mar 20 19:28:12 melonis :P Mar 20 19:30:35 succesfully running openmoko on xen Mar 20 19:31:18 hrw|gone: did you find a new sim yet? Mar 20 19:32:35 root@x86:/etc$ cat issue OpenMoKo .dev-snapshot-20070319 \n \l Mar 20 19:43:59 ~change 350 usd to eur Mar 20 19:44:43 * Stephmw taps his foot Mar 20 19:44:47 * koen opens up the bottle of cachaça Mar 20 19:46:43 koen: I like the wingman thing Mar 20 19:46:53 that's marcel in brazil Mar 20 19:48:10 it is :) Mar 20 19:52:08 maybe johan more so Mar 20 19:53:28 * noidd hugs TemplateToolkit Mar 20 19:59:53 is there some faq for building openmoko? Mar 20 19:59:53 See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ Mar 20 20:01:42 is the openmoko dropbear capable of x forwarding? Mar 20 20:02:06 yes Mar 20 20:07:02 I get an error with MokoMakefile. Mar 20 20:10:44 KLinux: Put it in a pastebin and maybe someone here can help :) Mar 20 20:10:57 ~lart atk Mar 20 20:11:26 apt seems to have left the building Mar 20 20:12:51 20:18 -!- apt [i=ibot@pdpc/supporter/active/TimRiker/bot/apt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] Mar 20 20:13:56 NOTE: package libelf-0.8.6-r0: task do_populate_staging: failed Mar 20 20:14:20 KLinux: don't claim you are i486, or fix libelf's configure check :) Mar 20 20:21:49 Q: Is Gtk+ thread safe Mar 20 20:22:00 A: Yes, as long you don't have ATK loaded into your memory... Mar 20 20:28:57 zecke|moko: atk messes it up badly? Mar 20 20:30:03 koen: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=329454 Mar 20 20:30:15 koen: Good thing: We don't have ATK on the Neo Mar 20 20:30:26 koen: Bad Thing: I want to use atk/dogtail for automated testing Mar 20 20:30:36 koen: atk+orbit are not thread aware :} Mar 20 20:30:44 orbit should die Mar 20 20:33:04 I know KDE's a11y people talk about a dbus based at-spi replacement... well... Mar 20 20:34:48 * zecke|moko hopes feitsy will update atk soon... Mar 20 20:35:19 KLinux: See http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=264 Mar 20 20:37:41 abraxa__: Ah, thanks a lot. I didnt know that these problems are also handled by bugzilla. Mar 20 20:38:12 You're welcome ;3 Mar 20 20:38:25 instead of curing symptoms, fix the root cause... Mar 20 20:38:51 I now recompile for i686... Mar 20 20:49:56 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] [[OpenMoko_Wiki_Editing_Guidelines/de]] Mar 20 20:53:09 zecke|moko: The only fix for the root cause seems to be to alter the .bb file for libelf - since I neither know who's in charge of that recipe nor got any developer feedback on bugzilla I think I did all I can do at this point Mar 20 20:55:17 abraxa__: might be openembedded issue Mar 20 20:56:45 Well yes but the OE developers seem to dislike DISTRO="openmoko" bugs on their bugzilla, so... ;) Mar 20 20:59:19 well if it also applies to others Mar 20 20:59:27 whenever it's built for x86 that is Mar 20 21:50:26 I will leave now. Thanks for your help! Mar 20 22:06:47 counter Mar 20 22:06:47 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 6 days 13:53:12 (13.579 +-7.0 days) (580) Mar 20 22:24:27 Heya, everyone. Mar 20 22:24:36 pavelm: hi Mar 20 22:25:06 Reading openmoko planet.... it seems like userland is finally getting to shape. Mar 20 22:25:45 Is it time to flash new version, or should I wait a bit more? Mar 20 22:26:25 also... did anyone get python/pygtk working on openmoko? Mar 20 22:26:37 I'm bit afraid of setting up cross-gtk... Mar 20 22:26:58 pavelm: ph5 made pygtk2.6 cross compile, I don't know if he tried it on his neo Mar 20 22:28:57 I was thinking about terminal emulator with touchscreen support... Mar 20 22:29:24 ...just add few labels around the corners, and get ability to send some 10 keys to console application. Mar 20 22:29:38 ...10 keys should be enough to get mutt running. Mar 20 22:29:48 öa Mar 20 22:29:54 ...but I do not think I want to code it in C. Mar 20 22:30:00 "Asa"? Mar 20 22:30:07 pavelm: try to control it with the power of your mind Mar 20 22:30:27 pavelm: "Asa" equals my inability to type... Mar 20 22:32:01 zecke: I already use power of my mind to control horses, so I'll have to use hands to control computers ;-) Mar 20 22:33:19 pavelm: hehe, try pygtk2.6 (I think it hit OE) Mar 20 22:33:27 mickeyl: have you seen my "klammer" patch? Mar 20 22:33:29 pavelm: give us two or three more weeks and then it's time to install a new userland Mar 20 22:33:33 zecke|moko: not yet, wher? Mar 20 22:33:39 mickeyl: scroll up Mar 20 22:34:08 how many lines? Mar 20 22:35:05 ok Mar 20 22:35:12 mickeyl: some Mar 20 22:35:25 looks good Mar 20 22:35:28 applying that Mar 20 22:35:29 mickeyl: http://page.mi.fu-berlin.de/~freyther/mokolibs-klammern-r0.diff Mar 20 22:35:35 ya found it Mar 20 22:38:08 mickey: Okay, I guess I'll have to live with tui for few more weeks. Either that, or get openmoko buildsystem to work. Mar 20 22:38:46 CoreDump|afk: hey, where did you upload that oe chroot you made? Mar 20 22:38:47 pavelm: it works, ask hrw or us to hel you Mar 20 22:39:14 mickeyl: I'm victim of a really evil ATK+/Gail bug :( Mar 20 22:39:54 (and not using a SCM for my work feels so wrong...) Mar 20 22:40:24 openmoko: 03mickey * r1449 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/libmokoui/ (6 files): openmoko-libs/libmokoui: fix brackets in macros and clean up a bit. patch by Holger 'Zecke' Freyther -- thanks! Mar 20 22:41:31 mickeyl: you just played table tennis? Mar 20 22:42:11 ya Mar 20 22:42:17 usual practice twice a week Mar 20 22:42:34 I have excercised my bike for the first time this year... Mar 20 22:42:37 zecke|moko: re. SCM. I'm going to fight for giving you access to OM svn Mar 20 22:42:54 zecke|moko: it makes sense for openmoko-feedreader to be developed there, don't you think? Mar 20 22:42:55 this is not my intention Mar 20 22:43:25 mickeyl: svn:external is good enough for such things (one of the few strength's of svn) Mar 20 22:43:27 i know, but would you do it or not? Mar 20 22:43:50 counter Mar 20 22:43:50 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1: a week, 6 days 13:16:09 (13.553 +-7.0 days) (581) Mar 20 22:44:20 zecke|moko: I want to get key people access anyway Mar 20 22:44:26 so let me start w/ you as a guinea pig Mar 20 22:44:34 e.g. (if more contributors show up) a long term stragey for OpenMoko could be to host everything on projects.openmoko.org and grand access individually Mar 20 22:44:51 is the wiki dead? Mar 20 22:44:51 zecke|moko: ya, that's definitly a good long term plan Mar 20 22:44:52 mickeyl: and with svn:external you can export a global and complete OM-2007 Mar 20 22:45:49 hmm interesting Mar 20 22:45:55 * mickeyl puts on the pile of things to look add Mar 20 22:50:29 prom: feel free to set unfiltered on ;) Mar 20 22:56:57 mickeyl: attributes == properties in regard to gtk_tree_view_column_set_attributes? Mar 20 22:57:18 afaict yes Mar 20 22:58:56 mhh, I wonder what is wrong. Mar 20 22:58:59 /home/fille/mydev/openmoko/build/tmp/work/i686-linux/autoconf-native-2.59-r5/temp/run.do_configure.29952: line 215: storcenter-image_do_configure: command not found Mar 20 22:59:26 where the hell is that storcenter-image_do_configure coming from? Mar 20 23:01:46 I just got pygtk running (on notebook)... and it looks like quite nice scripting environment for openmoko. Mar 20 23:05:49 pavelm: right Mar 20 23:12:15 mickeyl: hmm, can you reach gtk.org? Mar 20 23:14:17 gtk.org is unreachable for me. Mar 20 23:14:22 zecke: I can't either Mar 20 23:16:01 thanks, developer.gnome.org is my last resort then Mar 20 23:17:05 philippe: did you ever toy with with gtk_tree_view_columns? Mar 20 23:18:23 Hi pavelm|afc ! Mar 20 23:20:03 zecke: I did, but I never got it completely... Mar 20 23:20:35 philippe: I know that _autosize is... not doing what I want Mar 20 23:20:57 philippe: I can either give a fixed mim/max width to my column, or be complelety lost Mar 20 23:22:26 Hi, Elrond. Mar 20 23:28:09 * zecke goes home Mar 20 23:28:12 later Mar 20 23:28:40 bye, zecke. Mar 20 23:28:56 (pavel lies in bed, but that's okay) Mar 20 23:29:55 bye zecke Mar 20 23:30:23 * zecke has to cycle home... Mar 20 23:30:52 I really should start to sleep here... Mar 20 23:31:41 ...shall I mail you a bed? Mar 20 23:32:01 ...if the weather is something like here.... I don't envy you the biking experience. Mar 20 23:32:35 BTW: Did any P0 owner rebuild their own kernels? Mar 20 23:36:56 Elrond: Not yet.... but I should have capable toolchain. Mar 20 23:37:14 Elrond: I did not see patches in any very public place... Mar 20 23:41:33 Elrond: Is there nice big patch ready for applying somewhere? Mar 20 23:41:35 pavelm - I could create a patch for gps-power-management. ;o) Mar 20 23:42:06 pavelm - svn has the neo-patches one should apply on top of 2.6.20.2 Mar 20 23:42:31 * pavelm hates svn Mar 20 23:42:34 Elrond: I have build and tested around 40 kernels so far. :) Mar 20 23:42:54 ...everybody knows kernels should be stored in git. Mar 20 23:43:17 pavelm: It's a quilt patchset in svn Mar 20 23:43:18 stefan_schmidt - :-)) Mar 20 23:50:56 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Bootloader]] Mar 20 23:55:43 aloril - What about adding the change comment from the RecentChanges thing? :) Mar 21 00:01:33 Okay, should really get some sleep now. Bye bye. Mar 21 00:04:26 please vote for Ellen Reavey http://www.wvia.org/education/AoW06-07/index.shtml Thanks for your gnerousity of spirit in advance Mar 21 00:08:10 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery/de%26action%3Dedit Mar 21 00:08:15 What's that for a crap?! Mar 21 00:08:25 I mean the title. Mar 21 00:08:53 heh Mar 21 00:08:58 sounds like a mistake Mar 21 00:09:47 Yeah. Mar 21 00:11:14 I'll fix it. Mar 21 00:12:37 where's the rename-button in the wiki?! Mar 21 00:12:42 Or the delete-button?! Mar 21 00:14:06 'move' Mar 21 00:14:16 IIRC it's on the left Mar 21 00:14:20 dunno about delete Mar 21 00:15:00 *looking* Mar 21 00:16:30 * mickeyl links alphaone video Mar 21 00:16:35 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Introduction#Videos Mar 21 00:18:11 hmm wait Mar 21 00:18:13 can't do that Mar 21 00:21:24 mickeyl - Where's the move or delete button on the wiki?! Mar 21 00:21:41 top row Mar 21 00:22:22 guess you need to be logged in to see that row Mar 21 00:22:30 I'm logged in. Mar 21 00:22:39 hmm odd Mar 21 00:22:43 i can see it here: Mar 21 00:22:47 I've switched it to "use no style" to see all and everything. Still nothing. Mar 21 00:22:49 article discussion edit history protect delete move watch Mar 21 00:23:02 mickeyl: admin privs... Mar 21 00:23:05 ok, the video is here Mar 21 00:23:07 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Introduction#Videos Mar 21 00:23:11 stefan_schmidt: hmm possible Mar 21 00:23:15 should i do something for ya? Mar 21 00:23:49 Move page Mar 21 00:23:49 From OpenMoko Mar 21 00:23:49 Move succeeded Mar 21 00:23:49 Jump to: navigation, search Mar 21 00:23:49 Page "Battery/de&action=edit" moved to "Battery/de". Mar 21 00:23:53 ok? Mar 21 00:26:30 mickeyl - Yeah, exactly that. Mar 21 00:26:40 mickeyl - But you need to kill the empty Battery/de first. Mar 21 00:27:01 seems to have worked Mar 21 00:27:41 Yeah, cool! Mar 21 00:28:06 * mickeyl just ordered two Nokia DT14 and BL-5C Mar 21 00:28:26 to put an end w/ all those charging problems Mar 21 00:30:43 Thanks for fixing it, anyway. :) Mar 21 00:30:58 it can't be good that it doesnt charge properly after the p0 guys have had it for 2+ weeks Mar 21 00:31:36 well, apparantly not all people have problems w/ charging Mar 21 00:31:38 Huh? What? Mar 21 00:31:55 perhaps it's an isolated problem due to my USB configuration Mar 21 00:33:28 guys, there is a goof up while mucking around with code a n00b deleted a directory from /home/openmoko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-linux . Now the system is not building. How can this be fixed ? Mar 21 00:35:02 if you remember what has been removed, then just rebuild that Mar 21 00:35:12 if not, you probably need to rebuild the whole distro Mar 21 00:35:16 g'night now Mar 21 00:35:21 mickeyl, yaa i know what has been deleted Mar 21 00:35:28 logs show the package name Mar 21 00:35:30 then bitbake -c rebuild Mar 21 00:35:41 mickey|zzZZzz, thnxs Mar 21 00:50:56 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Introduction]] Mar 21 00:59:30 openmoko: 03zhiyong_sun * r1450 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-mainmenu/src/ (callbacks.c fingermenu.c): make figner wheel and toolbox show **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 21 02:24:18 2007 Mar 21 02:40:06 when would openmoko release its first edition? Mar 21 02:40:31 Readon: say something else with a question mark on the end Mar 21 02:40:57 Readon: Readon further .... there is no release to openmoko, only devel version always Mar 21 02:42:26 Readon: there are already motorola linux phone available in the market, you can really put the linux into it and develop your own apps Mar 21 02:42:40 i bought on costed $150 Mar 21 02:43:19 openmoko is $350, will take time to revisit it sometime, when the costs reduces Mar 21 02:45:27 there are $70 devices that can run openmoko natively too Mar 21 02:45:34 old Palms and iPaqs Mar 21 02:47:42 (not natively as from factory, but natively as in no emulation) Mar 21 02:48:32 sumasuma, but i can't compile openmoko-devel-image totally. Mar 21 02:49:04 i think it would have a relatively stable one, isn't it? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 21 02:59:56 2007