**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 16 02:59:57 2007 Apr 16 03:54:40 counter Apr 16 03:54:40 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, a day 08:05:18 (15.337 +-14.0 days) (873,163) Apr 16 06:02:36 counter Apr 16 06:02:36 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, a day 05:57:22 (15.248 +-14.0 days) (874,163) Apr 16 06:09:06 FYI: I will be away from IRC from 17th to 27th April (holidays). I have given my P0 phone to Joel Stanley (who is a Google SoC developer for One Laptop Per Child) for that duration to see what he can do with it in that time. Please welcome him if he appears here :-) Apr 16 06:09:59 Hopefully MokoMakefile won't break during that time. I expect OE and OM to break, but that will be up to upstream to fix those things :-) Apr 16 06:54:14 good morning Apr 16 07:26:06 counter Apr 16 07:26:06 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, a day 04:33:52 (15.190 +-14.0 days) (875,163) Apr 16 07:49:39 morning Apr 16 07:54:54 heya Apr 16 08:14:06 rwhitby: if it breaks we at least have a reason to throw time on fixing the svn on projects *ducks* Apr 16 08:15:22 but have fun on your holiday :) Apr 16 08:28:27 good morning Apr 16 08:32:49 roh: thx :-) Apr 16 08:40:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Massi]] Apr 16 08:56:49 counter Apr 16 08:56:49 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, a day 03:03:09 (15.127 +-14.0 days) (876,164) Apr 16 09:03:27 CM|Philippines: ping Apr 16 09:50:11 http://www.pastebin.ca/442468 Apr 16 09:57:19 Raja: that's a problem with your host OS, not with any of the build environment or openmoko stuff. Apr 16 09:59:49 hello rwhitby Apr 16 10:00:04 g'day shenki Apr 16 10:00:06 joel here Apr 16 10:00:19 yup Apr 16 10:00:46 * rwhitby gave shenki his P0 device to play with while he's on holidays. Apr 16 10:00:58 :) got the phone plugged in; does it have it's own IP, or? Apr 16 10:00:58 shenki: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Apr 16 10:01:19 woah. that's creepy. Apr 16 10:01:29 shenki: you need cdc_ether to talk to it Apr 16 10:01:51 it has IP 192.168.0.202 and expects the usb0 interface on host to be 192.168.0.200 Apr 16 10:02:28 ok, cheers Apr 16 10:02:40 have you used usbnet before? Apr 16 10:02:52 no, i haven't Apr 16 10:03:13 iface usb0 inet static Apr 16 10:03:13 address 192.168.0.202 Apr 16 10:03:13 netmask 255.255.255.0 Apr 16 10:03:40 when you plug it in, kernel should load cdc-ether module to enable usb0 device. Apr 16 10:04:23 yeah, i've got the usb0 device. network manager tried to grab an IP from the phone; it was quite confusing for a moment Apr 16 10:09:50 rwhitby: i'm not too crash hot on my linux networking. our LAN uses 192.168.0.0/16. when i ping 192.168.0.202, i'm getting host unreachable. is there anything else i need to set up? Apr 16 10:10:30 does ifconfig show usb0 up with that IP address? Apr 16 10:12:31 i put the iface block into /etc/network/interfaces, and ran ifup. so now it has .200 Apr 16 10:18:22 shenki: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/03/22/hotpluging-usbnet/ Apr 16 10:19:26 hrw: thx Apr 16 10:21:13 hrw: thanks for that... lets see how i go now Apr 16 10:22:01 hrw: what does the 'network' line do? Apr 16 10:22:38 shenki: its default configuration for interface Apr 16 10:24:24 hmm. no love yet. Apr 16 10:25:42 shenki: I'll leave you in these good folk's hands. I need to go and pack for the flight tomorrow. Apr 16 10:26:00 rwhitby: no worries. have a good trip Apr 16 10:26:31 rwhitby: enjoy holidays Apr 16 10:26:41 shenki: usbnet loaded on host? Apr 16 10:26:46 lsusb show neo? Apr 16 10:26:54 Bus 003 Device 063: ID 1457:5122 FIC Neo1973 kernel usbnet (g_ether, RNDIS) Mode Apr 16 10:27:31 i have a 1457:5122, yep Apr 16 10:27:49 ok. Apr 16 10:27:51 hrw: thx. I'm expecting shenki to have offline IMAP working by the time I get back on the 30th ... Apr 16 10:28:05 hehe Apr 16 10:28:11 shenki: sudo bash;ifconfig usb0 Apr 16 10:28:28 shenki: or even (as root): ifdown usb0;ifup usb0 Apr 16 10:28:48 yeah, i've ifdown/up'd Apr 16 10:32:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Press_Coverage]] Apr 16 10:42:43 counter Apr 16 10:42:44 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks, a day 01:17:15 (15.054 +-14.0 days) (877,164) Apr 16 12:22:22 openmoko: 03thomas * r1779 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-contacts/ (ChangeLog src/contacts-groups-editor.c src/contacts-omoko.c): Apr 16 12:22:22 openmoko: * src/contacts-groups-editor.c: Apr 16 12:22:22 openmoko: (contacts_groups_pane_update_selection), (contacts_groups_new_cb): Apr 16 12:22:22 openmoko: * src/contacts-omoko.c: (add_menu_item), Apr 16 12:22:22 openmoko: (contacts_ui_update_groups_list): Apr 16 12:22:26 openmoko: Add a "No Groups" message to the details pane when there are no groups defined Apr 16 12:27:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] Apr 16 12:51:34 counter Apr 16 12:51:34 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks 23:08:24 (14.964 +-14.0 days) (878,164) Apr 16 12:52:01 Hopefully tomorrow ^^ Apr 16 12:52:31 good Apr 16 12:54:58 it's easy use phone book with finger in real device? Apr 16 13:09:53 Rakshasa: : tomorrow ? Apr 16 13:15:23 sannes: ~15 days +/- 14 = 1 - 29 days... =P So, hopefully tomorrow, with my luck, next month. Apr 16 13:16:36 it's very very unlikely that it will happen tomorrow or in the next two weeks Apr 16 13:19:50 openmoko: 03mickey * r1780 10/trunk/oe/packages/ (3 files in 2 dirs): oe: add own version of vte, fixing #468 Apr 16 13:43:57 I wonder if we get an update when those issues that delayed it in the first place is resolved .. Apr 16 14:04:11 hi Apr 16 14:04:20 hi. Apr 16 14:05:03 In the Hardware Wish_list, on the wiki, what are the chances of some of these ideas being implemented? Apr 16 14:05:08 * SpeedEvil wishes that the person that reverted his '2-4 weeks' estimate on the wiki at the beginning of the month'd get back. Apr 16 14:05:11 Like, WiFi hardware Apr 16 14:05:18 Wifi is almost certain. Apr 16 14:05:26 Awesome Apr 16 14:05:27 Though not for P1 Apr 16 14:05:35 If P1 does not slip to P1.5 Apr 16 14:05:39 P1? Apr 16 14:05:55 The version that should have been sold to developers for $350 now. Apr 16 14:06:00 but has been delayed a bit. Apr 16 14:06:03 ah Apr 16 14:06:28 AIUI, certainly for the release in September. Apr 16 14:06:48 Sounds good Apr 16 14:07:05 That'll definitely motivate to code for OpenMoko, now Apr 16 14:07:25 I was trying to decide if I wanted to get an OpenMoko or some other small internet handheld dvice Apr 16 14:07:56 poffy: WiFi will definitely be around sooner or later so you shouldn't let P1/P1.5 stop you anyway ;3 Apr 16 14:17:58 nc Apr 16 14:21:02 1.5 will have faster cpu and faster graphics - that is known already for sure (no details) Apr 16 14:21:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Bootable_USB_device_emulation]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] Apr 16 14:22:02 Hello Apr 16 14:22:18 can I install openmoko on my iPAQ ? Apr 16 14:22:18 accept: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Apr 16 14:23:22 probably not... Apr 16 14:24:15 accept: you can Apr 16 14:24:26 but will everything work OK Apr 16 14:24:35 (not that WM 5.0 does) Apr 16 14:24:55 accept: keep in mind that openmoko is not finished Apr 16 14:25:18 hrw: ok... so it should work... generally... Apr 16 14:25:44 I have a suggestion, I would like OpenMoko to have Mono in it... that'd be really cool Apr 16 14:27:10 accept: Keep in mind the Neo only has 266MHz in its current incarnation so I'm not sure about the performance of such high-level languages Apr 16 14:27:24 ok Apr 16 14:28:10 I am kinda afraid to install OpenMoko on my iPAQ, but it's the only Linux distro for these PocketPC's, with a decent design Apr 16 14:28:43 python ftw Apr 16 14:30:19 Afraid? Why afraid? Apr 16 14:31:05 because, I have never done a installation of an OS to these PC's not even Windows, and second it's not finished Apr 16 14:31:35 Okay, that may be a little challenging then Apr 16 14:32:09 anyway, how do you install a os to these PC's? Apr 16 14:32:19 You mean the Neo1973? Apr 16 14:32:44 well, both, the iPAQs and the Neo... Apr 16 14:32:54 how do you do it on the Neo Apr 16 14:33:10 if you buy it empty Apr 16 14:33:22 without any software Apr 16 14:33:35 The Neo will come with OpenMoko pre-installed so there's no need to install anything Apr 16 14:33:50 but IF there wasn't anything Apr 16 14:34:25 there isn't a CD-ROM drive to install it from a CD Apr 16 14:34:32 Then you'd use the devirginator: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Devirginator Apr 16 14:35:19 That's true but the phone has a JTAG port that can be connected to a PC's USB port using the debug board Apr 16 14:35:23 abraxa_: pre-installed? Sheesh, there goes the credibility as a Hacker's Phone. :) Apr 16 14:37:19 can I ask how you developed it, and tested it... you certainly can't compile code on a Neo Apr 16 14:37:38 And there I was with images in my head of having to enter the bootcode in via the (touchscreen) keypad... Apr 16 14:39:04 counter Apr 16 14:39:04 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks 21:20:54 (14.890 +-14.0 days) (879,164) Apr 16 14:39:16 has someone looked into widsets? Apr 16 14:40:39 guaqua: that requires a JVM, no? Apr 16 14:41:00 no idea, i only just opened the website Apr 16 14:43:31 those widsets just would be a fine addition :/ Apr 16 14:43:49 cbaird: I think using a touchscreen to run console commands on a tiny linux device qualifies you more to be a "hacker" than following instructions on how to flash the firmware ;) Apr 16 14:44:36 guaqua: most of the bits are there, you just need to assemble them :) Apr 16 14:45:09 Stephmw: yep yep :) and maybe write some low level code in the process ;) Apr 16 14:47:10 guaqua: nah, nah, that's just for bitmonkeys Apr 16 14:47:17 * Stephmw hides in his nuclear bunker Apr 16 14:49:31 haha Apr 16 14:50:43 ooh Apr 16 14:50:51 rm -rf build takes some time :S Apr 16 14:51:15 like minutes Apr 16 14:53:35 meh, that's nothing. rm -rf / build times are huge... mine can take over 10mins Apr 16 14:55:56 "build" time, lol Apr 16 14:58:05 sure! more datail... "creating an empty ext3 filesystem using rm -rf /" takes a long 'build' time :D Apr 16 14:58:48 s Apr 16 15:00:45 * Stephmw goes home Apr 16 15:09:03 * aloril2 intents to compile code in neo Apr 16 15:15:13 counter Apr 16 15:15:13 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks 20:44:45 (14.864 +-14.0 days) (880,165) Apr 16 15:16:28 I'm trying to get Openmoko libs set-up, right now Apr 16 15:16:31 But it's failing Apr 16 15:16:50 Apparently, my DEPS aren't good enough Apr 16 15:16:58 "gtk+-2.0 >= 2.6" Apr 16 15:17:20 I check on this, and apparently, my distro's gtk packate is only at 2.0 when 2.10 is out, I believe Apr 16 15:17:29 suggestions? Apr 16 15:23:20 configure is also wanting libgsmd, which I didn't know I needed Apr 16 15:30:27 counter Apr 16 15:30:27 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks 20:29:31 (14.854 +-14.0 days) (881,165) Apr 16 15:31:12 openmoko: 03rob * r1781 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (ChangeLog libmokoui/moko-message-dialog.c): Apr 16 15:31:12 openmoko: 2007-04-16 Rob Bradford Apr 16 15:31:12 openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-message-dialog.c: (moko_message_dialog_map), Apr 16 15:31:12 openmoko: (moko_message_dialog_class_init), (moko_message_dialog_realize_cb), Apr 16 15:31:12 openmoko: (moko_message_dialog_expose_event_cb), (moko_message_dialog_init): Apr 16 15:31:16 openmoko: Add support for pseudo-transparent blending of the dialog box's Apr 16 15:31:18 openmoko: background. Apr 16 15:31:35 counter Apr 16 15:31:35 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks 20:28:23 (14.853 +-14.0 days) (882,165) Apr 16 15:32:30 openmoko: 03rob * r1782 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard/gtk-2.0/openmoko-message-dialog-background.png: Add new background artwork for MokoMessageDialog Apr 16 15:36:50 Does anyone in here run Ubuntu as their distro? Apr 16 15:37:41 yes Apr 16 15:38:18 MetaMorfoziS: Did you get the openmoko-libs to compile? Apr 16 15:38:32 i'm never tryed Apr 16 15:38:38 ah Apr 16 16:14:14 counter Apr 16 16:14:15 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks 19:45:44 (14.823 +-14.0 days) (883,165) Apr 16 16:30:59 conter Apr 16 16:31:01 counter Apr 16 16:31:02 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks 19:28:56 (14.812 +-14.0 days) (884,165) Apr 16 16:33:25 poffy: building openmoko-libs standalone would be a little more difficult due to its dependencies. Apr 16 16:34:05 poffy: itd be easier to build it as a part of a full openmoko build. you can do that for x86 too, not only for the device(s). Apr 16 16:34:55 poffy: and yes, that works pretty well on ubuntu. edgy in my case. Apr 16 16:36:04 [ot] don't suppose anyone here is in LA, Santa Monica specifically? Apr 16 16:36:57 prom: is it possible to build full openmoko for x86 whit mokomakefile? Apr 16 16:38:29 simon_: yes, more or less. you have to edit build/conf/local.conf, replacing the target. this change would probably get lost when you do "make setup". but appart from that, it works. Apr 16 16:40:31 simon_: the variable you have to change is "MACHINE". you can use "x86" or "qemux86" for it. the later results in images for qemu, but they dont really work due to touchscreen driver issues. if you want an emulator, build for the neo and use the hacked qemu from openmoko svn. Apr 16 16:40:58 ewon: forwarding your query in other chans... not getting any answers yet Apr 16 16:41:12 simon_: BUT the packages, root filesystem and so on are usable for compiling and doing testruns with xnest/xoo. Apr 16 16:41:20 Stephmw: cheers Apr 16 16:41:32 prom: thx Apr 16 16:43:49 openmoko: 03thomas * r1783 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-contacts/ (ChangeLog src/contacts-omoko.c): Apr 16 16:43:49 openmoko: * src/contacts-omoko.c: (create_contacts_list), Apr 16 16:43:49 openmoko: (create_main_window): Don't use MokoNavigationView. Fixes bug 472. Apr 16 16:50:58 prom: shulld i use make all when i've changed build/conf/local.conf? Apr 16 17:21:30 counter Apr 16 17:21:31 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks 18:38:28 (14.777 +-14.0 days) (885,165) Apr 16 17:37:02 philippe: there is not much sense with talking to an autobuilder :) Apr 16 17:37:32 philippe: also changing the milestone is nothing the bbclass likes or will recognize Apr 16 17:37:45 zecke: indeed :-) Apr 16 17:38:05 But I just put in the information for the person handling the bug after the autobuilder. Apr 16 17:38:08 re Apr 16 17:39:04 zecke: is that the weird stuff in the patch? I guessed mickeyl was smart enough to figure that out :-) Apr 16 17:39:17 http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=397 is the current error of http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tinderbox/showlog.pl?machine_id=190&logfile=20070416185145.log Apr 16 17:39:39 philippe: that is weird stuff (an empty patch) Apr 16 17:42:34 philippe: I wonder if the buildhost has bad connectivity or if the upstream is bad Apr 16 17:43:04 zecke: I think there is bad connectivity for some stuff. Like portmap always showing up in builds Apr 16 17:43:06 philippe: anyway the added sha256sums to OE should allow us to fail in do_fetch already... Apr 16 17:43:21 I know I changed the mirror for that one on my machine Apr 16 17:43:30 zecke: indeed. That would be nice... Apr 16 17:43:45 bbl Apr 16 18:08:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User_talk:Speedevil]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] Apr 16 18:10:08 simon_: oh. sorry i missed that. you dont have to do anything special. you can make all. or openmoko-devel-image. Apr 16 18:12:33 prom: ok, whats the diffrent between make all and openmoko-delvel-image? Apr 16 18:13:11 simon_: it also builds "openmoko-devel-tools". Apr 16 18:13:24 simon_: which is dfu-util and friends. Apr 16 18:13:46 prom: ok, thanks :) Apr 16 18:45:49 openmoko: 03mickey * r1784 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Apr 16 18:45:49 openmoko: openmoko-libs: rename moko_search_box_make_visible to moko_search_box_set_visible to be more in tune with the gtk naming scheme Apr 16 18:45:49 openmoko: openmoko-rssreader: catch up with above change Apr 16 18:51:35 Hi Ppl Apr 16 18:51:38 counter Apr 16 18:51:38 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks 17:08:20 (14.714 +-14.0 days) (886,165) Apr 16 19:04:39 openmoko: 03mickey * r1785 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/libmokoui/ (moko-pixmap-button.c moko-tree-view.c): libmokoui: remove some warnings Apr 16 20:01:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] [[User_talk:Speedevil]] [[User_talk:Ast]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Music_Player]] [[UI_Improvements]] Apr 16 20:52:27 counter Apr 16 20:52:27 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks 15:07:31 (14.630 +-14.0 days) (887,165) Apr 16 22:15:37 * mmp guesses that if there are channel stats somewhere, the word 'counter' simply has to sit in the top ten list :) Apr 16 22:19:20 :)) Apr 17 00:53:32 any MokoMakefile experts around? Apr 17 00:54:11 I'm wondering if it's safe to do multiple kinds of builds in the same tree. eg. qemu and moko Apr 17 01:12:45 as in make openmoko-devel-image and make qemu ? that's ok Apr 17 01:18:27 pjz no problem so far Apr 17 02:46:01 has anyone used cdma? Apr 17 02:46:32 only as a user, joss193 Apr 17 02:46:51 amarsh04: only as user? Apr 17 02:47:26 one stepdaughter has a cdma handset, in Australia cdma is being phased out over the next 2 years Apr 17 02:47:56 I like my mobile handsets to last a *long* time (e.g. 9 years for my first gsm handset) Apr 17 02:48:37 amarsh04: yeah but here will be cdma network Apr 17 02:48:51 back in a few minutes, loading new kernel (kexec is fast, fsck_vfat is slow) Apr 17 02:48:53 well using this seems quite straightforward, only problem is Apr 17 02:49:04 bands are different Apr 17 02:49:20 i can not see a handset supporting 450mhz usually Apr 17 02:50:11 too little bandwidth at the lower frequencies Apr 17 02:50:14 back soon Apr 17 02:53:04 amarsh04: well does not matter, i can not make a new it inrastructure, i need to know, if those modules can be used to access 450mhz network,qualcomm airplane and such modules **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Apr 17 02:59:56 2007