**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 17 02:59:56 2007 Apr 17 03:23:58 amarsh04:back? Apr 17 03:27:18 yes joss193 Apr 17 03:36:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Talk:Main_Page]] Apr 17 04:35:36 hi Apr 17 05:29:24 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] Apr 17 06:06:58 counter Apr 17 06:06:58 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks 05:53:00 (14.245 +-14.0 days) (888,165) Apr 17 06:07:51 Hmm.. Six hours.. hopefully. ^^ Apr 17 07:10:24 counter Apr 17 07:10:24 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks 04:49:34 (14.201 +-14.0 days) (889,165) Apr 17 07:11:44 good morning Apr 17 07:13:39 morning Apr 17 07:23:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Main_Page]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] Apr 17 07:52:09 counter Apr 17 07:52:10 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks 04:07:49 (14.172 +-14.0 days) (890,165) Apr 17 08:04:00 i'm relativelky certain that the counter just takes 2 weeks, adds on a random number, and spews that back now Apr 17 08:33:12 mornin Apr 17 08:55:53 aloril: counter? Apr 17 08:55:53 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; P0: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review; 2 weeks 03:04:05 (14.128 +-14.0 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-04-30); 5 months, 6 days (152.128 +-15.0 days) for mass market (2007-09-15): see topic for more info (891,165) Apr 17 08:56:21 I read that being 1 week some days ago, am I mistaken? Apr 17 08:57:05 Hm, 1 week 21:07:03 about a week ago. :S Apr 17 08:57:16 It's been delayed a bit, not sure how much hence the large +/- Apr 17 08:59:30 I just read Michael Lauers blogpost on the subject (http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2007/04/10/openmoko-coreteam-in-frankfurtmain/) Apr 17 08:59:43 It shed some light on the situation :) Apr 17 09:00:12 Greeting ! Apr 17 09:00:46 I've built qemu-based GTA01 emulator for Win32: http://mdk.linux.org.tw/~jserv/openmoko/openmoko-emulator-win32-bin-20070416.zip Apr 17 09:02:03 jserv2: hey there :) Apr 17 09:02:06 jserv2: nice work! Apr 17 09:03:06 Stephmw: hi Apr 17 09:03:07 Does anyone know if gsm functionality in Openmoko be implemented on A780 or other EZX devices? Apr 17 09:03:08 vimalg2: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Apr 17 09:03:48 Maybe I should add my Win32 binary on Wiki. :-) Apr 17 09:06:33 jserv2: what are the keybindings btw? Apr 17 09:07:28 Stephmw: Enter for switch items, Space for select in U-Boot. Apr 17 09:07:35 thanks! Apr 17 09:08:10 Stephmw: Does it work? Apr 17 09:08:24 it's booting atm Apr 17 09:08:38 interesting that if it timesout on uboot, it powers off Apr 17 09:09:02 ok. Apr 17 09:09:23 hmmm Apr 17 09:09:43 a few error messages, but it's still going ;) Apr 17 09:09:55 doing the 1st time config stuff Apr 17 09:10:01 gnome-vfs atm Apr 17 09:11:50 gone into X... calibrating... Apr 17 09:12:12 it's up Apr 17 09:12:51 takes a while for the moko statusbar at the top to show up, but it's all good Apr 17 09:12:58 jserv2: do you need a screenshot? Apr 17 09:13:05 morning Apr 17 09:13:16 hi Mac Apr 17 09:13:33 hi Marcin Apr 17 09:15:38 Hi all, can any one help me with the info regarding the various SMS-CB channels available between 0-999. for example: 050 - area information Apr 17 09:22:51 jserv2: let me know when you've updated the wiki, I have a screenshot ready to go Apr 17 09:23:10 it takes some time to boot, but even on my restricted system at school it seems to be doing fine Apr 17 09:23:20 i can take a screenshot aswell Apr 17 09:25:04 jserv2: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:MokoWin32Emu.jpg Apr 17 09:25:14 this is sweet Apr 17 09:25:38 Hi all, can any one help me with the info regarding the various SMS-CB channels available between 0-999. for example: 050 - area information Apr 17 09:26:01 sureshkumar: this totally depends on your mobile operator Apr 17 09:26:09 there is no icon shown for the keyboard :/ Apr 17 09:26:13 that's the only bug in main screen Apr 17 09:27:59 aye Apr 17 09:28:10 any sluggishness I think is qemu's problem Apr 17 09:28:17 it's slow as hell Apr 17 09:28:24 no doubt about that :D Apr 17 09:28:35 yeah... 500ms->800ms response time to click Apr 17 09:28:43 better here Apr 17 09:29:14 aye, I do have a load of cruft loaded... work stuff, you know :) Apr 17 09:29:34 same here, but this computer is quite high end...at school now Apr 17 09:30:16 you can see my specs on the screenie :) Apr 17 09:30:38 my system still becomes unresponsive when I'm doing a distributed build Apr 17 09:39:02 Stephmw: cool! thanks Apr 17 09:40:21 Stephmw: In fact, FIC provided me a GTA01 handset, and I could take a picture about real openmoko and emulated one in the same moment. Apr 17 09:40:24 :) Apr 17 09:40:48 My office is near by FIC's. :) Apr 17 09:40:52 the more, the merrier :) Apr 17 09:41:00 bah, you just have an easy life Apr 17 09:43:10 How about Java vm porting on openmoko? Apr 17 10:02:35 jserv2: Ask them to send me one too ^^ Apr 17 10:07:20 Pretty please. =D Apr 17 10:07:46 Rakshasa: soon they will send one for only $350 postage Apr 17 10:09:30 Maybe I should go fetch it myself to save the postage... Apr 17 10:11:44 XorA: that's gonna be a BIG stamp :) Apr 17 10:12:17 its a pity postage costs still get customs charges :-( Apr 17 10:12:24 XorA: Bring it on, my Sony Ericsson is really annoying me now Apr 17 10:14:15 my simcard in neo annoys me Apr 17 10:14:26 how so? Apr 17 10:15:37 I have one simcard (PL Plus) in Neo. in normal phone (locked to PL Era) I have Era simcard. Neo works with Era sim but refuse to see Plus one Apr 17 10:16:33 hrw: In my last job I could have debugged that Apr 17 10:16:34 These are different service providers are they? Apr 17 10:16:44 lardman: they are Apr 17 10:16:56 lardman: and I lack unlocked phone to check Plus one Apr 17 10:17:17 will probably buy some prepaid from PL Era Apr 17 10:17:31 but Plus prepaid have already ~50 PLN to use Apr 17 10:22:51 * XorA wonders can you get a trace of GSM->SIM comms? Apr 17 10:23:32 probably not Apr 17 10:24:43 * Stephmw hands XorA some bare wires to solder to the simcard terminals Apr 17 10:24:54 get your logic probe out :) Apr 17 10:30:40 Stephmw: smartstation 3 :-D Apr 17 10:30:50 Stephmw: Im sure I could try borrowing one Apr 17 10:47:20 Hooray! the dollar has hit 2 dollars to the GBP Apr 17 10:48:25 ~change 2 usd to gbp Apr 17 10:48:31 2.00 United States Dollar (USD) makes 0.999016 Pound (GBP) (from http://www.xe.com/) Apr 17 10:48:32 ~change 1 usd to pln Apr 17 10:48:37 1.00 United States Dollar (USD) makes 2.82184 Zloty (PLN) (from http://www.xe.com/) Apr 17 10:48:57 thats why my hour rate is in EUR :D Apr 17 10:49:25 ;) Apr 17 10:51:08 weird... doing it via their web interface (xe.com), I get 1.00 GBP Apr 17 10:51:08 = Apr 17 10:51:09 2.00218 USD Apr 17 10:52:35 ~change 1 gbp to usd Apr 17 10:52:41 1.00 Pound (GBP) makes 2.00222 United States Dollar (USD) (from http://www.xe.com/) Apr 17 10:54:00 ~change 1 eur to usd Apr 17 10:54:05 1.00 Euro (EUR) makes 1.35461 United States Dollar (USD) (from http://www.xe.com/) Apr 17 10:56:30 hmmm, ok, so the reverse exchange isn't yet at the 2:1 stage Apr 17 10:56:44 So is the device priced in dollars? Does this mean it will not actually cost us Ł350? ;) Apr 17 10:57:22 350$ + shipping + tax Apr 17 10:57:32 + duty Apr 17 10:57:36 :( Apr 17 10:57:51 still, better than Ł350 Apr 17 10:58:05 it might still come close Apr 17 10:58:12 the UK import duty is ludicrous Apr 17 10:58:22 I know Apr 17 10:58:24 I'm very tempted to collect instead Apr 17 10:58:30 needs to be marked as a "present" Apr 17 10:58:34 spend that extra 90GBP on something nice Apr 17 10:58:42 lardman: nay, that won't work Apr 17 10:58:43 like a flight over ;) Apr 17 10:58:49 lardman: they now go on declared value Apr 17 10:59:00 oh, shame Apr 17 11:06:22 mobile telephones from taiwan into EU have 0% tax Apr 17 11:06:36 all you have to pay is whatever local VAT the respective local government collects Apr 17 11:10:20 counter Apr 17 11:10:20 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: 2 weeks 00:49:38 (14.034 +-14.0 days) (892,165) Apr 17 11:11:24 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] [[User_talk:Stephmw]] Apr 17 11:12:56 hi mickeyl Apr 17 11:13:05 cheers hrw Apr 17 11:13:09 how are you? Apr 17 11:14:36 he mickeyl Apr 17 11:16:14 good Apr 17 11:16:17 thx Apr 17 11:16:25 hi hrw Apr 17 11:17:06 mickeyl: I am more and more thinking about writing 'sim info' application but first need to find out why neo does not like my simcard Apr 17 11:17:22 hrw uh Apr 17 11:18:24 hrw: sounds good. i'm going to integrate this into the gsmgprs applet then once you're done :) Apr 17 11:19:18 mickeyl: no plans to create bt applet working with atleast ON/OFF? Apr 17 11:19:28 sure thing Apr 17 11:19:39 skeleton is there, don't you see in top panel? Apr 17 11:19:45 just missing the popup menu Apr 17 11:20:07 mickeyl: I did not have it as I use angstrom on phone. Apr 17 11:20:10 ah Apr 17 11:20:14 you should really use OpenMoko for now Apr 17 11:20:24 mickeyl: and we did not added empty applets yet Apr 17 11:20:31 *nod* Apr 17 11:20:43 hey mickeyl! Apr 17 11:20:49 hi ho philippe Apr 17 11:20:54 mickeyl: phone apps are same Apr 17 11:21:10 mickeyl: and you plan to switch to gtk 2.10 anyway Apr 17 11:21:17 mickeyl: is there any openmoko stuff that needs hacking? Apr 17 11:21:23 philippe: i'm expecting 10 debug boards this week. as soon as I get them, I'll send one to you. Please write me your address Apr 17 11:21:34 mickeyl: no prob. Thanks! Apr 17 11:21:43 philippe: oh lots of... we started using the bugtracker as todo list Apr 17 11:21:52 even for missing features and stuff Apr 17 11:22:10 mickeyl: hmm, I'll delve into it tonight then, when I get back from work Apr 17 11:22:31 mickeyl: so any news on my hackfest proposal? Apr 17 11:23:34 philippe: not really. it's waiting for p1 hardware to be shipped, but I'll start organizing that right after Apr 17 11:25:11 mickeyl: good! So I know on time when to get my stock of cola and pizza :-) Apr 17 11:25:54 hehe Apr 17 11:25:55 will do Apr 17 11:26:06 s/will do/definitely/ Apr 17 11:26:06 mickeyl meant: definitely Apr 17 11:28:33 * guaqua wants visual basic bindings to openmoko Apr 17 11:33:48 guerby: yeah, and internet explorer :) Apr 17 11:33:58 d'oh, guaqua, not guerby Apr 17 11:33:58 LaF0rge: not that I'm paranoid or anything, but Customs have screwed me plenty of times in the past - I'll check before deciding :) Apr 17 11:34:23 * hrw had luck with customs and p0 Apr 17 11:34:42 drath: i have to do visual basic at school for this base course Apr 17 11:34:51 and it _sucks_ Apr 17 11:35:09 heh, of course it does Apr 17 11:35:17 funniest thing is, you can't select cells from more than one worksheet in excel Apr 17 11:35:18 write some nifty Word/Excel integration... sell it online :) Apr 17 11:35:38 you can do all sorts of automation Apr 17 11:35:43 and some of it is actually pretty cool Apr 17 11:35:49 BASIC: language so primitive that it is not even contemptible Apr 17 11:36:18 guaqua: so you have VBA not VB Apr 17 11:36:58 hrw: i don't really care what it is :D Apr 17 11:37:11 VBA = visual basic for applications Apr 17 11:37:23 ms office usage etc Apr 17 11:37:36 that must be it Apr 17 11:42:35 Automation is good - I wrote an invoicing & stock control system using it Apr 17 11:43:09 Used real VB though, as otherwise the interface was too clunky Apr 17 12:00:16 quickbasic will always have a special place in my heart Apr 17 12:04:58 qb kicked arse, you could make .exe's! Apr 17 12:07:10 Hm. Thanks to QB, I never ate spaghetti again. Apr 17 12:08:12 lol Apr 17 12:08:30 commodore basic v2, iirc :) Apr 17 12:08:55 Turbo Basic XL v1.5 roxx (Atari 8bit) Apr 17 12:09:11 started with sinclair basic on a zx spectrum Apr 17 12:12:23 who needs basic when you can have snobol (-: Apr 17 12:12:41 * ewon did a cobol module during his degree ;_; Apr 17 12:12:48 * ewon still has night terrors Apr 17 12:13:42 "Night of the missing full stop in your cobol assignment" Apr 17 12:14:08 all coders should use brainfuck Apr 17 12:14:12 everything else is lame Apr 17 12:15:45 XorA: afaik there are no brainfuck bindings for the openmoko libs (yet?) Apr 17 12:16:02 XorA: maybe your brain is fucked up already ;) Apr 17 12:16:53 pH5: what they wasting their time on then :-D Apr 17 12:18:25 What's the package to make the kernel headers with mokomakefile? Apr 17 12:54:52 * hrw bought another simcard Apr 17 12:55:54 pinless one Apr 17 12:57:25 never seen one Apr 17 12:57:53 I mean SIM-PIN-less Apr 17 13:03:41 Can the uSD on the neo already be used for mass storage by other devices? I note tha tthere is a list in the USB product IDs. Apr 17 13:05:03 oh - seen page on wiki Apr 17 13:06:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Wishlist:Unlikely]] [[Wish_List]] [[UI_Improvements]] Apr 17 13:11:33 root@neo:~$ picocom -fh -b115200 -i -r /dev/ttySAC0 Apr 17 13:11:42 works without stty ;D Apr 17 13:12:30 hmm but not always Apr 17 13:12:59 hmm.,, Apr 17 13:36:57 hrw: is it a cdma device? Apr 17 13:38:28 no - GSM Apr 17 13:40:16 hrw: do you have an idea if cdma 1x1900mhz device should work with 450mhz band? Apr 17 13:40:21 somehow Apr 17 13:42:36 It's a quadband device. Apr 17 13:42:44 It'll work anywhere there is GSM Apr 17 13:46:19 counter Apr 17 13:46:19 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 23:06:50 (13.963 +-14.0 days) (893,165) Apr 17 13:47:37 counter Apr 17 13:47:38 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 23:06:10 (13.963 +-14.0 days) (894,166) Apr 17 14:20:49 hi Apr 17 14:32:53 mickeyl, LaF0rge: could you put gcc, binutils and autofoo in the openmoko feeds? OE doesn't work on marcel's machine, so we want to do native compiling, but gcc is missing from your ipk/ dirs Apr 17 14:36:34 and mc and picocom ;) Apr 17 14:36:49 openmoko: 03thomas * r1786 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-contacts/ (ChangeLog src/contacts-contact-pane.c): * src/contacts-contact-pane.c: (make_widget), (update_ui): Add photo chooser. Closes bug 473. Apr 17 14:45:46 any new news on bug statuses? Apr 17 14:47:57 eg. when can I spend money? :) Apr 17 14:50:33 well, atleast there seems to be plenty of commits in the repository, so these days are not wasted Apr 17 14:54:27 openmoko: 03thomas * r1787 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-contacts/ (ChangeLog src/contacts-contact-pane.c): Apr 17 14:54:27 openmoko: * src/contacts-contact-pane.c: (choose_photo_cb), (update_ui): Make Apr 17 14:54:27 openmoko: sure the contact is committed when the photo is changed. Apr 17 15:00:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Christophloew]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] Apr 17 15:01:21 mickeyl: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2007-April/msg00066.html <- tap-n-hold for gtk+ upstream Apr 17 15:01:51 YEAH! Apr 17 15:02:31 * mickeyl going to respond Apr 17 15:02:32 mickeyl: I'll try to get marcel a working native toolchain or working OE today :) Apr 17 15:02:38 please do! Apr 17 15:02:39 thanks Apr 17 15:02:50 * mickeyl ponders whether to submit something for MDD07 Apr 17 15:03:02 seems they're mostly windows weenies there :D Apr 17 15:03:34 mickeyl: could you add the native toolchain to the openmoko feeds? Apr 17 15:03:45 * koen doesn't have a openmoko OABI builddir Apr 17 15:03:53 hmm Apr 17 15:04:06 dunno whether we have an appropriate working recipe for that in OM Apr 17 15:04:19 bitbake gcc binutils autoconf automake Apr 17 15:04:32 hmm, these should already be in IIRC Apr 17 15:04:35 * mickeyl double checks Apr 17 15:05:05 nope, they aren't Apr 17 15:05:12 unless you hid them very well :) Apr 17 15:05:35 mickeyl: why not show them jserv2's win32 qemu running openmoko? Apr 17 15:05:37 you're right Apr 17 15:05:42 I checked http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.04/ipk/armv4t/ and http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/ipk/ Apr 17 15:05:43 Stephmw: hahah :) Apr 17 15:05:55 * mickeyl bitbake gcc binutils autoconf automake Apr 17 15:05:56 anything else? Apr 17 15:06:12 bluez-utils, glib and linux-libc-headers Apr 17 15:06:19 glib-2.0, that is Apr 17 15:06:37 glibc ? Apr 17 15:06:43 glib is a dependency to gtk Apr 17 15:06:47 that should really be there Apr 17 15:06:52 ah, cool Apr 17 15:07:12 bbl, I need to walk to the conference and register Apr 17 15:25:57 hello. I have a handset, and can't get it to talk to my machine. is there anybody about who could help me? Apr 17 15:26:16 how is it connected to your machine? Apr 17 15:26:23 usb Apr 17 15:27:04 how do you want it to talk to your machine? usb mass storage? ip over usb? something else? (I'm just a random linux head, I don't actually have one of these handsets) Apr 17 15:29:35 usb-audio Apr 17 15:29:40 There is a 'getting started' link on the wiki Apr 17 15:30:40 SpeedEvil: ok. missed that one. thanks Apr 17 15:30:50 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973 Apr 17 15:31:15 the front page suffers from over-linkage Apr 17 15:31:38 MacNorth: propose better layout - it is wiki Apr 17 15:32:06 I've been meaning to work over the main page for a bit. Apr 17 15:32:15 true, but SE seems to be the protector and style enforcer ;) Apr 17 15:33:04 MacNorth: if you propose something good then he will probably accept it ;) Apr 17 15:33:05 I don't especially care if others do major bits. Apr 17 15:33:06 * hrw goes to washing dishes Apr 17 15:33:33 At the moment, all I've been trying to do is to reduce duplicated bits and over-verbose bits on pages, and sort them. Apr 17 15:33:38 okay. so those are the steps i've basicly figured out for myself. i still can't ping the device though. Apr 17 15:34:14 For example, several recent wishlist entries have been put in because the people simply haven't read the page. Apr 17 15:34:43 Now, part of it is due to lazyness, but ideally it should be short enough not to be scary. Apr 17 15:34:43 a 10-screen scroll isn't a fun 'read' :^) Apr 17 15:34:54 my linux networking knowledge is limited. i'm getting this (excuse the paste): Apr 17 15:34:58 $ ping 192.168.0.202 Apr 17 15:34:58 PING 192.168.0.202 (192.168.0.202) 56(84) bytes of data. Apr 17 15:34:58 From 192.168.0.11 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable Apr 17 15:35:21 is the interface up? Apr 17 15:35:29 do you have the relevant default gw set? Apr 17 15:35:55 the unreachable message is coming form .11, which is my laptop's wifi card. do i need to do somethign so it sends the ping out thru .200 (which is the usb-ethernet)? Apr 17 15:36:24 ewon: all i did was "ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0", so no, i haven't set a default gateway Apr 17 15:37:12 -I interface address Apr 17 15:37:12 Set source address to specified interface address. Argument may Apr 17 15:37:12 be numeric IP address or name of device. When pinging IPv6 link- Apr 17 15:37:13 local address this option is required. Apr 17 15:37:38 a kludge, but it should make the pings go through the right interface. maybe. Apr 17 15:42:22 ip route add host 192.168.0.(neo address) dev (device) Apr 17 15:42:38 `ip route show` might be helpful aswell Apr 17 16:00:09 gtg, cu Apr 17 16:45:13 counter Apr 17 16:45:13 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 21:37:23 (13.901 +-13.9 days) (895,166) Apr 17 16:52:06 openmoko: 03mickey * r1788 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-mainmenu/src/buttonactions.c: Apr 17 16:52:06 openmoko: openmoko-panel-mainmenu: make AUX/POWER button menu appear if button is held >= 1 seconds instead of always waiting for releaseing Apr 17 16:52:06 openmoko: NOTE: Thanks LaF0rge for spotting my bogus UI :D Apr 17 16:53:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Music_Player]] [[Neo1973_host_software]] [[Main_Page]] [[Wishlist:GeoP2P]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] Apr 17 17:01:43 mickeyl: ~lart you for site.conf in openmoko/oe/conf Apr 17 17:12:39 counter Apr 17 17:12:39 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 21:23:40 (13.891 +-13.9 days) (896,166) Apr 17 17:13:32 not 2 weeks anymore? Apr 17 17:35:40 ~spell customizations Apr 17 17:35:43 'customizations' may be spelled correctly Apr 17 17:36:35 "may be" heh Apr 17 17:48:30 http://flickr.com/photos/hrwandil/463055517/ Apr 17 17:50:51 so how's everyone liking the neo1973 thus far, (assuming it did ship to devs)? Apr 17 17:58:50 most of us are still waiting Apr 17 17:58:59 a few dozen have phones, though :) Apr 17 17:59:02 I have one Apr 17 18:00:05 do I like it? recently I do not have too much time to test software on it Apr 17 18:00:30 At the moment, there is little to like, other than the hardware. Apr 17 18:00:34 i have one. i still can't get it to talk to my box over usb-ethernet Apr 17 18:00:44 The software is basically not functional for most uses. Apr 17 18:00:44 shenki__: you have rwhitby one? Apr 17 18:00:52 hrw: that's correct Apr 17 18:01:13 shenki: usbnet module loaded on desktop? Apr 17 18:01:44 hrw: yes. module loads fine, i get the usb0 device, give it an ip, but pinging doesn't work Apr 17 18:02:18 shenki: run terminal on neo and check ifconfig there Apr 17 18:02:59 hrw: i couldn't work out how to get a terminal up. it appears the build that rwhitby has on there doesn't have a terminal Apr 17 18:03:14 arhg.. Apr 17 18:03:21 argh indeed Apr 17 18:03:22 shenki: you can flash newer image Apr 17 18:04:04 oh, okay. i've downloaded one, where do i read about flashing it? Apr 17 18:04:52 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util Apr 17 18:05:53 dfu-util -d 0x1457:0x5119 -a 5 -R -D openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070415224624.rootfs.jffs2 Apr 17 18:05:57 flash rootfs Apr 17 18:08:56 dfu-util -d 0x1457:0x5119 -a 3 -R -D uImage-2.6-moko9-r0_0_1754_0-fic-gta01.bin Apr 17 18:08:59 flash kernel Apr 17 18:09:58 speaking about liking or not -- I do not like case Apr 17 18:10:12 its a bit too thick Apr 17 18:10:25 and I would prefer to have small stylus in case instead of external one Apr 17 18:12:20 Anyone know how to order the Neo1973? All the press releases said the phone was supposed to be out in Jan 2007, but I dont see it listed for sale anywhere. Apr 17 18:12:20 Rogueist: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Apr 17 18:12:23 *grin* Trolltech announced a contest for their greenphone? Apr 17 18:12:57 Will the case be changed for the release in september? Apr 17 18:13:04 Yep if you win in any of the many categories, you get a free phone and SDK - and if you win the top place you get $5k and a full commercial license Apr 17 18:13:20 GreenPhone is not a phone Apr 17 18:13:30 it is hardware reference platform Apr 17 18:13:31 .o(???) Apr 17 18:13:45 ah. that kind of discussion. ;) Apr 17 18:14:15 It's the dark side of open source, if you ask me. Apr 17 18:14:23 yeah well thats what they say - its a hardware ref platform - i have no clue if it works as a phone since i dont have one Apr 17 18:14:31 Well - apparently they don't have enough appliucations ;) Apr 17 18:15:06 GP is 'open' - 17 binary kernel modules for which even TT does not have source Apr 17 18:16:01 but at least it works Apr 17 18:16:18 "works" hmm I haven't seen proof of that :) Apr 17 18:16:31 applications developers shouldnt care about kernel stuff Apr 17 18:16:38 well i have proof Apr 17 18:16:41 SuN: you can boot it and use Apr 17 18:16:46 * hrw had GP in hands Apr 17 18:16:55 Open source developers should, if you ask me. Apr 17 18:17:20 and i guess you use an open source bios on your desktop machine? Apr 17 18:17:27 UI environment is hard to use compared to normal phones Apr 17 18:17:46 hard to use? Apr 17 18:17:58 ljp: my desktop use closed bios for few seconds - then opensource OS start Apr 17 18:18:31 ljp: for me it was not intuitive - SonyEricsson system is better for me Apr 17 18:19:17 hrw: LinuxBIOS will fix that, no? Apr 17 18:19:23 but sonyericsson doesnt allow you to change it do they> Apr 17 18:19:35 ljp: does not Apr 17 18:19:43 The fact that I'm not running an open source bios doesn't mean I don't care, in fact, I do care. Apr 17 18:19:53 GaKkGaKk: I do not need linuxbios for my machines Apr 17 18:20:20 GaKkGaKk: Phoenix BIOS is good enough to boot Grub from my hdd Apr 17 18:20:22 The moment it becomes viable to run on my machine, you can bet I'll use it. Apr 17 18:20:56 I go to shop - cu tomorrow Apr 17 18:21:11 Have fun Apr 17 18:21:14 hrw: Of course it will, but if we want too boot open source, we can :) Apr 17 18:23:56 Anyway, I asked earlier, but I think the GreenPhone stole my question... Does anyone know if the September release of the Neo has any changes to the case planned? Like an internal stylus or such? Apr 17 18:24:46 !counter Apr 17 18:24:48 counter Apr 17 18:24:48 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 20:47:35 (13.866 +-13.9 days) (897,166) Apr 17 18:27:04 that wiki entry reads like some of my rambling notes when I've been up working on stuff too long with no sleep - only 50% of it makes sense Apr 17 18:30:46 GaKkGaKk: There will be no changes in housing." "http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-March/004255.html Apr 17 18:30:53 Doh, misquoted Apr 17 18:31:04 "There will be no changes in housing." http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-March/004255.html Apr 17 18:31:30 Though that doesn't specifically mention September. Apr 17 18:33:35 SuN: Thanks Apr 17 18:48:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Main_Page1]] Apr 17 19:24:12 making phones isn't as easy as one might think, i guess :) Apr 17 20:00:42 judging by the speed at which some chinese knockoffs appear it doesnt seem terribly hard tho Apr 17 20:48:27 counter Apr 17 20:48:28 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 19:35:45 (13.816 +-13.8 days) (898,166) Apr 17 21:05:57 * xkr47 is now 30! *scratches wrinkles slightly* Apr 17 21:06:03 \o/ Apr 17 21:06:17 sad thing moko didn't make it to be my birthday present to myself ;) Apr 17 21:06:47 xkr47: next year moko2 :-) Apr 17 21:07:44 xkr47: happy birthday Apr 17 21:07:49 thx! Apr 17 21:09:23 stefan_schmidt: thanks for forgetting your Fosdem speaker gift... I enjoyed it very much last weekend :-) Apr 17 21:09:47 philippe: heh, next time. :) Apr 17 21:10:36 philippe: btw, was your hackfest idea about virtual or reality hackfest? Apr 17 21:11:03 stefan_schmidt: virtual would be a start. Real would be more fun. Apr 17 21:11:30 philippe: Easiest would be virtual connected local groups. Apr 17 21:11:40 I thought virtual would be the easiest. But thinking of it Germany is not that far :-) Apr 17 21:12:04 philippe: And we have *many* OpenMoko Hackers in germany. :) Apr 17 21:12:22 stefan_schmidt: idd... I am the only one in .fi afaik. Apr 17 21:12:51 philippe: hmm, just get Nokia to use OpenMoko on some phones in their lab. ;) Apr 17 21:13:12 hehe Apr 17 21:13:21 philippe: But it's still some time as it makes no sense before P1 are in more dev hands. Apr 17 21:13:41 where would a openmoko hackfest be in germany? :) Apr 17 21:13:58 stefan_schmidt: P1 indeed might make more sense yes. Apr 17 21:14:20 yeah, send some free openmoko phones to the maemo lab will you :D Apr 17 21:14:20