**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 18 02:59:56 2007 Apr 18 03:13:47 215 people here. that's not bad. Apr 18 03:14:23 I can't wait to see after P1 and there's more hardware around :) Apr 18 03:22:44 yeah Apr 18 03:22:55 It should be... interesting Apr 18 03:27:12 im excited about this phone Apr 18 03:27:23 just heard about it today in popular science Apr 18 03:27:38 ah, yeah, I heard about it in... november I think Apr 18 03:27:42 it's been a long wait Apr 18 03:28:03 is there any video demonstrations of it in action? Apr 18 03:28:03 DigeratiH: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Apr 18 03:28:30 I don't think so; I'm not sure the apps are quite up to actually working yet Apr 18 03:29:21 looks like I'm wrong; hit youtube.com and search for openmoko Apr 18 03:36:07 openmoko: 03werner * r1790 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/nand-otp.patch: (log message trimmed) Apr 18 03:36:07 openmoko: - new file board/neo1973/nand.c with board-specific NAND functions, including Apr 18 03:36:07 openmoko: OTP support and board_nand_init Apr 18 03:36:07 openmoko: - common/cmd_nand.c (do_nand): added read.otp and write.otp Apr 18 03:36:07 openmoko: - common/cmd_nand.c (U_BOOT_CMD): cleaned up read and write synopsis, added Apr 18 03:36:09 openmoko: .otp and .oob Apr 18 03:36:11 openmoko: - cpu/arm920t/s3c24x0/nand.c (board_nand_init): renamed to s3c24x0_nand_init Apr 18 04:00:22 * aloril thinks openmoko.com will sell once it becomes available (should trigger here if that site changes) Apr 18 04:12:56 what program handles the rendering of windows? Apr 18 04:15:04 omg Apr 18 04:15:05 im in heaven Apr 18 04:15:48 is anyone there to tell me when the neo1973 is going to be out Apr 18 04:15:56 zomg Apr 18 04:16:34 hum? Apr 18 04:16:49 ha..j/j around Apr 18 04:16:58 first development machine is already availabe Apr 18 04:17:03 but only useful to hackers Apr 18 04:17:10 I just found out about the phone.. Apr 18 04:17:14 and openmoko Apr 18 04:17:14 ah Apr 18 04:17:22 and I am beyond excited.. Apr 18 04:17:31 where is the dev machine Apr 18 04:17:35 i guess its still some time until its available and ready for an enduser Apr 18 04:17:58 right.. Apr 18 04:18:05 http://planet.openmoko.org/ Apr 18 04:18:07 has FIC set a timeline..or is it fairly vague.. Apr 18 04:19:25 dunno Apr 18 04:19:29 i am no developer Apr 18 04:20:57 oh ok Apr 18 04:21:00 cya Apr 18 04:21:10 is anyone here a developer in the openmoko project? Apr 18 04:21:10 marksworld: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Apr 18 04:24:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User_talk:Speedevil]] Apr 18 04:33:16 I have question about contacts application: I try to create new contact, and don't know how to save it Apr 18 04:45:49 can an X server without a window manager only display one "window"? Apr 18 04:46:34 oops wrong channel Apr 18 04:53:47 http://matchbox-project.org/documentation/developers/matchbox.pdf does this pdf display correctly for anyone else? Apr 18 04:53:57 it looks corrupted on my machine Apr 18 04:55:49 nope Apr 18 04:55:50 not for me Apr 18 05:08:53 marksworld, not corrupted, or not display correctly? Apr 18 05:41:47 openmoko: 03werner * r1791 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/unbusy-i2c.patch: Apr 18 05:41:47 openmoko: board/neo1973/neo1973.c: added logic to detect pending PMU interrupts Apr 18 05:41:47 openmoko: board/neo1973/neo1973.c (neo1973_new_second, neo1973_on_key_pressed): only poll Apr 18 05:41:47 openmoko: PMU if there is a pending interrupt Apr 18 05:41:47 openmoko: board/neo1973/pcf50606.c (pcf50606_initial_regs): cleared (unmasked) SECONDM in Apr 18 05:41:50 openmoko: INT1M Apr 18 05:43:23 peepsalot: kpdf doesn't open Apr 18 05:43:39 or does open, but it's only lines here and there Apr 18 05:44:21 yeah. it doesn't open in kpdf or evince. I'm not sure where to log a bug/complaint Apr 18 05:44:40 #matchbox is dead Apr 18 06:18:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page]] Apr 18 07:22:24 morning Apr 18 07:33:51 morning Apr 18 07:54:39 good morning Apr 18 08:03:04 counter Apr 18 08:03:04 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 13:58:27 (13.582 +-13.6 days) (902,166) Apr 18 08:17:15 morning Apr 18 08:19:11 hrw: morning Apr 18 08:19:19 hi Mac Apr 18 08:44:17 ~change 22.50 usd to eur Apr 18 08:44:26 22.50 United States Dollar (USD) makes 16.5527 Euro (EUR) (from http://www.xe.com/) Apr 18 08:45:49 hmm, anyone happen to know how I could achieve "nice -n 5 somescript" as a normal user? Apr 18 08:47:18 Stephmw: using sudo Apr 18 08:47:41 XorA: doesn't that start the script as root? Apr 18 08:48:01 humm Apr 18 08:48:16 Stephmw: run script and then 'sudo renice' Apr 18 08:49:26 or do sudo nice -n 5 su username -c somescript, heh Apr 18 08:49:42 lol Apr 18 08:50:09 "sudo su user" ;D Apr 18 08:50:15 i thought that normal user can set priorities between 0 and 20 with nice Apr 18 08:50:24 yeah, that'd work... what about suid-ing the script and just using nice? Apr 18 08:50:27 so nice -n 5 dumdidum shoud work Apr 18 08:50:49 hmmm, yeah, I meant -5, sorry Apr 18 08:50:55 aaaah Apr 18 08:51:04 Stephmw: I actually read that as -5 :-D Apr 18 08:51:19 then you need root-power at some point Apr 18 08:51:25 * XorA makes twilightzone noises Apr 18 09:14:20 openmoko: 03laforge * r1792 10/trunk/oe/packages/openocd/ (openocd-native_141.bb openocd_141.bb): add openocd version 141 Apr 18 09:16:29 openmoko: 03laforge * r1793 10/trunk/oe/packages/openocd/openocd_141.bb: remove wait-patiently.patch from openocd 141, since it has that code included Apr 18 09:52:56 hi there. Apr 18 09:53:02 any news so far? Apr 18 09:53:22 counter Apr 18 09:53:22 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 13:03:18 (13.544 +-13.5 days) (903,166) Apr 18 09:54:34 hi guys Apr 18 09:55:28 someone can tell how can i buy an openmoko phone? Apr 18 09:55:28 Herod2k: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Apr 18 09:55:45 i live in italy... Apr 18 09:56:03 herod2k not yet Apr 18 09:56:28 uff Apr 18 09:56:34 ok Apr 18 09:56:50 and read the wiki Apr 18 09:56:59 i've readed the wiki... Apr 18 09:57:17 than look at counter Apr 18 09:57:19 counter Apr 18 09:57:19 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 13:01:19 (13.543 +-13.5 days) (904,166) Apr 18 09:57:48 ok Apr 18 09:57:50 tnx Apr 18 10:07:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_Battery]] Apr 18 10:07:48 any news on the delays? Apr 18 10:08:01 The news about the delays are delayed... Apr 18 10:08:21 woglinde, where is the counter ? Apr 18 10:08:27 herdo2k here Apr 18 10:08:29 counter Apr 18 10:08:29 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 12:55:45 (13.539 +-13.5 days) (905,166) Apr 18 10:08:41 hasn't gone down at all. Apr 18 10:09:33 aaa ok Apr 18 10:10:05 i'm searching something like a countdown clock Apr 18 10:10:07 :) Apr 18 10:13:41 i'm without a mobile since the beginning of april Apr 18 10:13:56 herod2k Apr 18 10:13:58 counter Apr 18 10:13:59 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 12:53:00 (13.537 +-13.5 days) (906,166) Apr 18 10:14:03 i don't want to buy anything else than the neo, but if takes too long i'll have to :( Apr 18 10:14:16 yes woglinde i've seen.. Apr 18 10:14:29 tnx Apr 18 11:08:06 counter Apr 18 11:08:07 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 12:25:56 (13.518 +-13.5 days) (907,166) Apr 18 11:08:41 is anyone here actually on the openmoko team? Apr 18 11:09:02 speedevil afaik Apr 18 11:09:08 *vague handwaving to define said entity* Apr 18 11:09:44 and mickey Apr 18 11:14:10 counter Apr 18 11:14:11 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 12:22:54 (13.516 +-13.5 days) (908,166) Apr 18 11:18:36 ah, i figured it: someone changed the counterscript from weeks to days - this is why every day lasts a week ;) Apr 18 11:19:01 :D Apr 18 11:36:59 ^^ Apr 18 12:01:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Translation]] [[Main_Page]] [[Wishlist:BuiltInScriptingLanguage]] [[MokoMakefile]] [[FAQ]] [[OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] Apr 18 12:21:59 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 should correspond to counter (ie.. if counter has changes, then that page too) Apr 18 12:29:36 hi MindCrusher_ Apr 18 12:29:40 ehm, mickeyl Apr 18 12:29:47 * LarstiQ frowns at his tab trigger happiness Apr 18 12:30:05 haha Apr 18 12:30:10 sometimes I'm afraid I'm mindcrusher[ro] Apr 18 12:30:13 oops Apr 18 12:30:24 * LarstiQ grins Apr 18 12:37:43 If you're you and he's him, am I still me? Apr 18 12:37:51 who's eating this chicken? Apr 18 12:38:03 heh Apr 18 12:40:54 hi all, I wanted to know how framebuffer driver(drivers/video/s3c2410fb.c) comminicate with the lcd driver JBT6K74 (drivers/spi/jbt6k74.c) to configure LCD panel. I have assume following information , pls correct me if i m wrong. Apr 18 12:40:54 1) samsung board has lcd controller Apr 18 12:40:54 2) lcd controller communicate with lcd driver JBT6K74 through SPI interface . Apr 18 12:40:54 But here in code I didnt get how framebuffer driver configure lcd. Apr 18 12:40:55 Because spi driver and framebuffer driver is seperate . Apr 18 12:40:57 then how framebuffer communicate with spi driver to configure the LCD . Apr 18 12:40:59 So please tell me where i got missunderstood ? Apr 18 12:41:38 Yogesh: via platform_device? Apr 18 12:42:20 scap.openmoko.org with openmoko-scap would be nice to have Apr 18 12:43:30 hrw: but when framebuffer probe gets executed , there is no link to send this information to spi driver so it can configure the LCD panel. Apr 18 12:44:19 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/2ce1cd3eec084ab7b4948ed58aca08c4.png Apr 18 12:44:25 I didnt see any code in drivers/video/s3c2410fb.c doing that. Apr 18 12:46:55 can anybody tell me how exactly operating flow is going on . Apr 18 12:49:47 hrw: i have gone through the openmoko pathes Apr 18 12:50:04 hrw: still a wierd blank rectangle :-) Apr 18 12:50:32 XorA: and now it is openmoko official so two blanks Apr 18 12:51:53 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ - please compare PhoneBook & Messages - which one is wrong? Apr 18 12:52:23 (script) openmoko-community: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" Re: built-in scripting languages. Apr 18 12:58:04 hrw: Messages is wrong Apr 18 12:58:17 hrw: Should use a plain background for the details area Apr 18 12:58:38 mickeyl: look at top area Apr 18 12:58:41 oh, and the headers are missing !? Apr 18 12:58:43 odd Apr 18 12:58:48 well Apr 18 12:58:57 i wonder whether this is actually a feature Apr 18 12:59:05 perhaps we don't need headers Apr 18 12:59:07 mickeyl: I need those headers Apr 18 12:59:15 you do? ok, I'll tell them Apr 18 12:59:32 or rather Apr 18 12:59:36 please do you tell them :) Apr 18 12:59:40 * mickeyl hints at bugtracker Apr 18 12:59:42 ;D Apr 18 12:59:44 will Apr 18 12:59:46 thanks Apr 18 12:59:50 so... what is the story behind the delay? ooi. Apr 18 13:02:32 !ombug 489 Apr 18 13:02:32 * * Bug 489, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown Apr 18 13:02:33 * * openmoko(AT)hrw.one.pl: List of messages lack headers Apr 18 13:02:34 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=489 Apr 18 13:05:48 mickeyl, tell sean that if he visits the Netherlands or Belgium, that we'll go skating. he's a skater right? :) btw, you have a date for KC's meeting in mind already? Apr 18 13:06:19 !ombug 490 Apr 18 13:06:19 * * Bug 490, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown Apr 18 13:06:20 * * openmoko(AT)hrw.one.pl: Contacts or Phonebook? Apr 18 13:06:21 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=490 Apr 18 13:06:28 oh in case we're at some conference and I have my car with me, I always travel with skateboard :) Apr 18 13:06:37 bbiab Apr 18 13:09:56 pvanhoof: i think he's rather into surfing Apr 18 13:10:25 pvanhoof: re. meeting date, i need to wait until Sean is back in .tw (next week) to see how my schedule for May will be Apr 18 13:11:17 pvanhoof: gtk question...: Apr 18 13:11:44 do you have any idea how i can restrict the size-request to have a certain granularity? Apr 18 13:11:46 i.e. Apr 18 13:11:58 i have a tree view that shows some entires Apr 18 13:12:18 i want the tree view to be always the height of * Apr 18 13:12:19 I run OpenMoko snapshot in QEmu. Tries to create new contact in Contacts application: fill some data and can't save this contact: can't find Save button. How save this contact? Apr 18 13:12:35 mickeyl, okay (for the meeting date) Apr 18 13:13:34 the size: you can do a size request, but it's not guarantee that it'll also be that size unless you implement the allocate_(space/size/Iforgot) method of gtkwidget Apr 18 13:13:45 or override it Apr 18 13:14:12 or, no, it's not overriding. it's a signal to implement (on realize or something like that) Apr 18 13:14:26 Partizan: press first button from left Apr 18 13:15:52 mickeyl, widget_class->size_allocate Apr 18 13:16:06 and ->map and ->unmap Apr 18 13:16:41 !ombug 491 Apr 18 13:16:41 * * Bug 491, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown Apr 18 13:16:42 * * openmoko(AT)hrw.one.pl: Dates or Calendar? Apr 18 13:16:43 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=491 Apr 18 13:20:03 pvanhoof: ok, i'm going to try that. I think it's strange that noone has been bothered by that before. Especially on small displays, it's annoying seeing the TreeView scroll pixel-wise and not entry-wise Apr 18 13:20:36 at least I have hooked into the adjustment stuff, so that up/down works entry wise for my tree view now Apr 18 13:20:39 it should scroll "guessed size"-wise Apr 18 13:20:51 that way it wouldn't need a fixed-row-size property Apr 18 13:20:56 heh, yeah Apr 18 13:20:58 yet it wouldn't have to touch all the items in the model Apr 18 13:21:10 btw., i never understood why fixed-row needs fixed-columns Apr 18 13:21:14 sounds backwards to me Apr 18 13:21:31 one of the dozens of gtk annoyances i have come over since starting this project :D Apr 18 13:21:37 well, I'm guessing because the tree is a 2d element (in both dimentions, it's doing the same for the scrollbars, I think) Apr 18 13:22:13 there are quite a few annoyances in the treeview and its models though. You learn to forgive them as it's not easy to get one right in C Apr 18 13:22:38 what I never learn how to forgive, is how API mistakes hunt gtk+ for years :( Apr 18 13:23:04 yet for users like openmoko, breaking api over and over again sucks even more Apr 18 13:23:18 chicken/egg/paradoxical/etc Apr 18 13:23:19 ya Apr 18 13:23:38 A good design ... Apr 18 13:24:05 that is adaptive, in stead of restrictive. Where each interface defines precisely its own task and nothing more Apr 18 13:24:19 and where new types can multi-implement multiple such interfaces Apr 18 13:25:08 different;y put :), by utilising *buzz-alarm, I know* design patterns Apr 18 13:25:31 counter Apr 18 13:25:31 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 11:17:14 (13.470 +-13.5 days) (909,166) Apr 18 13:31:48 ~curse gconf Apr 18 13:32:02 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, gconf ! Apr 18 13:40:49 Hi, just got a quick question is support for gstreamer planned? Apr 18 13:40:50 openstandards: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Apr 18 13:42:46 openstandards: I beleive its a Google Summer of Code project for moko Apr 18 13:45:32 ahh ok cheers was just speaking to one of the devs from bmp who mentioned openmoko didn't use gst but this certainly is good news, thank you for replying so quickly Apr 18 13:47:41 openstandards: Yup, will use gstreamer Apr 18 13:48:11 (and I'm the GSoC guy btw) Apr 18 13:48:48 ahh nice, looking forward to what work you do Apr 18 13:55:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Music_Player]] Apr 18 13:57:25 abraxa_ ah.. nice to hear Apr 18 13:58:15 Yupyup :) Apr 18 13:58:29 I'm happy to be able to do it, too ;) Apr 18 14:02:22 abraxa_ where are you located Apr 18 14:02:31 enough neo for today Apr 18 14:02:59 roh: I'm from Germany Apr 18 14:03:09 i know... which city? Apr 18 14:03:36 because if you are in the area of berlin i'd suppose we should meet some time soon in person Apr 18 14:08:37 roh: That would be spiffy, though I'm actually closer to Mickey - 30km north of Frankfurt Apr 18 14:08:44 roh: But you never know... :) Apr 18 14:28:08 openmoko: 03thomas * r1794 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-contacts/ (5 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) Apr 18 14:28:08 openmoko: * src/contacts-callbacks-ebook.c: (contacts_changed_cb): Apr 18 14:28:08 openmoko: * src/contacts-contact-pane.c: (field_changed), Apr 18 14:28:08 openmoko: (contacts_contact_pane_class_init): Apr 18 14:28:08 openmoko: * src/contacts-contact-pane.h: Apr 18 14:28:10 openmoko: * src/contacts-omoko.c: (fullname_changed_cb), Apr 18 14:28:14 openmoko: (create_main_window): Apr 18 14:44:44 hi Apr 18 14:45:10 Hallo Apr 18 15:06:04 counter Apr 18 15:06:04 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 10:26:57 (13.435 +-13.4 days) (910,167) Apr 18 15:06:42 its staying at 6 days somehow Apr 18 15:08:49 have there been any rumours in the last 2 days i might have missed? Apr 18 15:12:16 yes, 32 kids got killed Apr 18 15:13:29 does that delay p1? Apr 18 15:14:04 quitte: I've heard a rumour. Apr 18 15:14:11 actually more of a second hand report. Apr 18 15:14:34 but it's of such a nature that I wouldn't want to spread it unless I heard it from one of the team :/ Apr 18 15:14:37 quitte, who knows? Apr 18 15:14:51 fledermaus: now you got my curiosity Apr 18 15:14:59 heh. Apr 18 15:16:25 * XorA thinks P1 has been replaced by the new Intel UMPC chip but you need a foil pocket to stop the heat cooking your delicates Apr 18 15:18:08 soo... anyone on the moko team here? Apr 18 15:18:50 LaF0rge, mickeyl :-D Apr 18 15:23:11 that internet tablet intel are working on, could the wifi chipset be used for the neo 1973? Apr 18 15:45:05 fledermaus: is that good or bad news? Apr 18 15:49:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Press_Coverage]] [[Music_Player]] [[Talk:Music_Player]] Apr 18 15:58:54 buz: is what good or bad news? the rumour/report I heard? Apr 18 15:58:57 bad. Apr 18 15:59:06 dooh Apr 18 15:59:50 gtg, cu Apr 18 16:14:16 counter Apr 18 16:14:16 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 09:52:51 (13.412 +-13.4 days) (911,167) Apr 18 16:14:33 hum no new informationen from sean or fic, right? Apr 18 16:15:05 everyone's keeping schtum. Apr 18 16:15:59 PBeck: sean is ~10m away from me :) Apr 18 16:16:02 bad :( Apr 18 16:16:16 koen: hehe, then ask sean for news ;) Apr 18 16:16:34 there's lots of news, he just can't tell yet Apr 18 16:16:50 yes? Apr 18 16:16:59 where you are? Apr 18 16:17:06 ELC2007 Apr 18 16:17:30 koen: you play with a neo? ;) Apr 18 16:17:47 no, I left my neo at home Apr 18 16:17:52 koen: can sean tell us that the p1 device is finished? :) Apr 18 16:18:03 koen: you have one, ok ;) Apr 18 16:18:41 I've been helping marcel holtmann to get bluetooth working on his neo Apr 18 16:18:51 great progress made there Apr 18 16:19:10 hello all Apr 18 16:19:13 nice Apr 18 16:19:46 koen: gta01bv4 one? Apr 18 16:19:58 bv3 Apr 18 16:20:05 the v4 he has lacks an LCD Apr 18 16:21:27 I'm trying to build a setup with MokoMakefile, and after one day of fetching/compiling/thinging (;-) ) there is an error that says : fatal: corrupted pack file .git/objects/pack/pack-a146bcbc18f4826d6bf2a7f63be5dd77bbb5b2f5.pack, just after a line saying NOTE: package uboot-gta01-1.2.0+svnnow-r4_37837828d89084879bee2f2b8c7c68d4695940df_0_1791: task do_fetch: started Apr 18 16:22:06 koen: only lcd? :D Apr 18 16:22:09 I don't know if this is anough details, but can anyone give me any advice please? Apr 18 16:22:09 Mid: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Apr 18 16:22:45 * koen waves to holtmann Apr 18 16:22:59 Mid: looks like git fails to fetch Apr 18 16:23:17 Mid: I would remove git dir to force it to refetch Apr 18 16:23:25 koen: Funny guy ;) Apr 18 16:23:34 heh, the git fanboys claim you can't get that corrupted pack problem any more Apr 18 16:24:02 hrw, this one : ./sources/git/www.denx.de.git.u-boot.git./.git or this one ./sources/git ? Apr 18 16:24:10 first Apr 18 16:24:20 hrw: ok, thank you, I'll try this Apr 18 16:28:00 ok, now I have this: fatal: Not a git repository: '.git' Apr 18 16:28:00 is there a way to force it to rebuild this dir? Apr 18 16:29:16 bitbake -crebuild uboot-gta01 Apr 18 16:29:38 anyway, I forgot to asy that, as a lot of people, I think this project really great Apr 18 16:29:45 hrw: ok I try Apr 18 16:33:11 counter Apr 18 16:33:11 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 09:43:23 (13.405 +-13.4 days) (912,167) Apr 18 16:34:25 openmoko: 03thomas * r1795 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-contacts/ (6 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) Apr 18 16:34:25 openmoko: * src/contacts-callbacks-ebook.c: (contacts_changed_cb): Apr 18 16:34:25 openmoko: * src/contacts-contact-pane.c: (field_changed), Apr 18 16:34:25 openmoko: (contacts_contact_pane_class_init): Apr 18 16:34:25 openmoko: * src/contacts-contact-pane.h: Apr 18 16:34:27 openmoko: * src/contacts-main.c: Apr 18 16:34:31 openmoko: * src/contacts-omoko.c: (create_main_window): Apr 18 16:54:36 is thomas here? Apr 18 16:54:44 the guy who just made that commit Apr 18 16:55:14 hopefully he fixed the cant-delete-added-fields bug Apr 18 16:56:35 is that bug in bugtracker? Apr 18 17:04:24 hrw: no luck, when I do the rebuild, after removing "./sources/git/www.denx.de.git.u-boot.git./.git" I get the error: fatal: Not a git repository: '.git'... and if I do a "make openmoko-devel-image" it reread and reinstalls the corrupted pack file :-( Apr 18 17:04:51 I'm new to bitbaker and git, sorry Apr 18 17:05:01 make update Apr 18 17:09:05 guaqua: after "make update" and "make setup", both "make openmoko-devel-image" and "bitbake -crebuild uboot-gta01" give same error: "fatal: Not a git repository: '.git'" Apr 18 17:09:55 what git version do you have, which distro? Apr 18 17:11:13 guaqua: git version 1.4.1, Ubuntu edgy with monotone and libc from feisty (I was obliged to do that because no OE.mtn matching edgy monotone version Apr 18 17:11:41 i just compiled a newer monotone in edgy Apr 18 17:12:19 libc is a tricky bastard Apr 18 17:12:21 good luck Apr 18 17:13:10 guaqua: so should I downgrade back to edgy? Apr 18 17:13:16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfghxOO7vCE something for openmoko maybe?! Apr 18 17:13:34 i haven't built it on feisty, but it did work on feisty Apr 18 17:13:45 but i'd suggest to use a ready image and the qemu Apr 18 17:14:39 the only thing about the script is that it costs 10 euros appearantly Apr 18 17:15:23 (script) planet: Andrew Cowie: Meeting OpenMoko running on the Neo1973 http://research.operationaldynamics.com/blogs/andrew/software/openmoko/doing-open-the-right-way.html Apr 18 17:16:37 SrRaven: interesting Apr 18 17:17:12 SrRaven: however, lot of those ideas could be included into hexinput and get even a better soltuion Apr 18 17:18:08 thats possible but im pretty damn dumb and just saw it and immediatly thought of the openmoko as use,I got no clue about anything considering that so there maybe even are better methods out that thing just looks extremely quick (got a youtube video) Apr 18 17:20:29 sorry, this probably asked 10 times a day, but if the $350 developer kits are available, where can they be found? Apr 18 17:20:29 stuhood: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Apr 18 17:20:33 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfghxOO7vCE <- that one Apr 18 17:20:37 haha. Apr 18 17:21:25 SrRaven: mostly it was fast typing, because he was fast at it, not because of the method Apr 18 17:22:07 well I guess so,they have comparison table on their website stating that with that method you can do upto 20 more words than with a normal qwerty keyboard Apr 18 17:22:11 (virtual) Apr 18 17:28:23 koen: any idea when there might be news? Apr 18 17:29:05 SrRaven: url? Apr 18 17:29:38 http://www.speedscript.biz/default.aspx?p=speed Apr 18 17:29:54 if it isnt in english for you,theres a change language thing Apr 18 17:30:30 any company with biz tld...argh Apr 18 17:31:22 * SrRaven hides Apr 18 17:33:54 SrRaven: that is a smart method Apr 18 17:34:34 I guess so Apr 18 17:34:49 I never really used a PDA except for a few minutes for fun if it could read my handwriting Apr 18 17:35:09 qwerty is surprisingly fast too Apr 18 17:35:14 even with very small buttons Apr 18 17:41:17 guaqua: thanks! I have a running machine in qemu Apr 18 17:42:10 openmoko: 03ortalo * r1796 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-calculator/README: Test modification Apr 18 17:43:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] Apr 18 17:44:12 counter Apr 18 17:44:12 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 09:07:53 (13.380 +-13.4 days) (913,167) Apr 18 17:46:19 a week again ? Apr 18 17:55:57 two weeks Apr 18 17:56:06 qemu: fatal: Trying to execute code outside RAM or ROM at 0x38000000 Apr 18 17:56:51 openmoko: 03mickey * r1797 10/trunk/oe/conf/distro/include/openmoko.inc: oe/openmoko.inc: set PREFERRED_PROVIDER for db[-native] Apr 18 17:57:16 openmoko: 03mickey * r1798 10/trunk/oe/packages/libftdi/ (3 files in 2 dirs): oe/libftdi: add 0.9 Apr 18 17:57:51 openmoko: 03mickey * r1799 10/trunk/oe/packages/tasks/task-openmoko.bb: oe/packages: add cvs to task-openmoko-native-sdk Apr 18 19:33:37 counter Apr 18 19:33:38 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 08:13:10 (13.342 +-13.3 days) (914,167) Apr 18 19:46:23 so is phase 1 really gonna happen? Apr 18 19:46:23 ole1: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Apr 18 19:46:33 felt like it was supposed to be Jan 1 Apr 18 19:49:52 Phase 1/1.5/2 will definitely happen, yeap Apr 18 19:50:42 Hi Apr 18 19:50:48 counter Apr 18 19:50:48 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 08:04:35 (13.337 +-13.3 days) (915,167) Apr 18 19:53:43 oh it's near... it's just a week Apr 18 19:53:49 and six days:( Apr 18 19:56:54 Woot. Got a greenphone. :D Apr 18 19:57:15 * SpeedEvil stabs the counter. Apr 18 19:58:26 hi Apr 18 19:58:50 Sure would be nice to see an update on the hardware from FIC. :| Apr 18 19:59:53 it's almost month until counter shows 0, its moving at half speed now ;-) Apr 18 20:01:16 * aloril2 remembers seeing mention at irc about sending some test boards Apr 18 20:07:03 * aloril2 suspects that lower limit is > week Apr 18 20:08:16 for some testers it could be now though Apr 18 20:08:42 <--- loosing interest fast. Apr 18 20:09:51 Apr 18 20:10:27 I'm thinking my prototype on 'that other device' could be done before this one ships. :( Apr 18 20:11:50 high-rez: No offense but I'd rather see bug-free hardware than several different versions out of which every single one needs other hardware bug workarounds ;x Apr 18 20:12:56 abraxa: The lack of any update on the wiki is driving me nuts. The hardware status needs to be a little more transparent. Apr 18 20:13:25 high-rez: don't hesitate and go with your prototype Apr 18 20:13:37 I'm sure Sean would post news if there were any, so... Apr 18 20:14:18 if he had time Apr 18 20:14:32 he's being assaulted by companies and fanboys non-stop Apr 18 20:14:32 Yeah ;) Apr 18 20:14:43 Companies? Why companies? Apr 18 20:14:44 * koen_ should go fanboying after lunch Apr 18 20:14:56 "hire us, we can do cool shit" Apr 18 20:15:00 lol. Apr 18 20:15:27 Makes me wonder how desperate those companies are Apr 18 20:16:06 not desperate Apr 18 20:16:11 openmoko is really high profile Apr 18 20:16:57 those companies somehow didnt understand how opensource works Apr 18 20:17:04 you do the cool shit first, THEN you get hired Apr 18 20:17:27 counter Apr 18 20:17:27 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 07:51:16 (13.327 +-13.3 days) (916,167) Apr 18 20:17:54 hmm... 2 week freeze on openmoko software has not started? Apr 18 20:18:48 maybe counter should be static: > weeks, unknown how much ;-) Apr 18 20:19:04 koen_: I just thought that these companies were desperate for assaulting Sean - I'm used to companies to inquiring only once or twice before they leave you alone Apr 18 20:19:06 s/weeks/2 weeks/ Apr 18 20:19:06 aloril2 meant: maybe counter should be static: > 2 weeks, unknown how much ;-) Apr 18 20:19:38 abraxa: Which companies? Apr 18 20:21:01 high-rez: Those trying to offer their services to you: web-design agencies, advertising companies, phone companies, etc Apr 18 20:24:38 ah the ones i hang up on Apr 18 20:25:40 then again, i generally hang up on anyone trying to sell me something uninvited Apr 18 20:26:02 unless its some financial scam, those are way too funny Apr 18 20:27:48 lol Apr 18 20:28:12 Luckily I don't have to be the one answering them Apr 18 20:28:25 well at times they call you at home Apr 18 20:28:58 I really hope that they can't do that with Sean Apr 18 20:31:01 abraxa_: well i guess they just try every single number Apr 18 20:31:11 cause i sure as hell am not giving out my home number Apr 18 20:31:37 <[g2]> mickeyl, around ? Apr 18 20:31:47 * [g2] is curious about the latest sdk info Apr 18 20:32:27 * buz is curious about the summer release Apr 18 20:33:21 'release' being the key word ;-) Apr 18 20:33:42 specs and date being the most important ones, really Apr 18 20:33:51 i reaaaally want wifi Apr 18 20:38:59 it'll be interesting to see, if a second rev product contains wifi, what type of battery life it will. The device with wifi I'm using has terrible battery life when the radio is on. Apr 18 20:39:26 (and I think it's only got a 30mW transmitter) Apr 18 20:44:07 Hello, everyone Apr 18 20:44:14 Are there any news on GPS front? Apr 18 20:45:14 pavelm: sadly no Apr 18 20:45:18 crap Apr 18 20:45:22 and I forgot to ask sean Apr 18 20:45:34 * koen looks around and tries to spot sean Apr 18 20:46:06 koen: There was plans to do phase1 sometimes soon... I guess this is going to slip w/o GPS support? Apr 18 20:46:33 looks like it Apr 18 20:47:22 :-(. Too bad. om should be pretty good GPS receiver. Apr 18 20:48:38 If anybody ever meet a global locate employee, shoot in his foot. Apr 18 20:48:38 There was talk about openmoko patches being merged into mach-s3c2410 repository... is that repository available somewhere? Apr 18 20:49:18 what is "global locate"? Apr 18 20:50:17 gps chip vendor probably Apr 18 20:51:02 ynezz: Aha, yes, that makes sense. Apr 18 20:51:04 ynezz: Perhaps we should reverse-engineer their crap, then? Apr 18 20:52:12 I'm still waiting for P1 device :) Apr 18 20:52:48 Me too xD Apr 18 20:53:18 (My network connection is failing. Sorry if I do not say good bye. GPRS sucks in the mountains). Apr 18 20:53:39 ynezz: is there any driver for any operating system... for that chip? Apr 18 20:54:35 http://www.globalocate.com/SEMICONDUCTORS/SEMI_HAMMER_Frameset.htm Apr 18 20:54:38 dunno Apr 18 20:54:55 Ok, I guess I'll keep my bluetooth gps, then. Apr 18 20:55:18 counter Apr 18 20:55:18 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 07:32:20 (13.314 +-13.3 days) (917,167) Apr 18 20:55:24 you need a big pocket then :) Apr 18 20:56:49 that counter seems to be in infinite loop Apr 18 20:56:52 :p Apr 18 21:00:22 Could someone please join #c and tell C_Dreamer I made a wrong joke, and that I already have a book? :) Apr 18 21:01:49 having been a bit distracted for the last weeks - may i ask what's broken on the gps front? Apr 18 21:03:14 Hopscotch: afaik global locate is unable to write a proper driver/plugin for the gps Apr 18 21:03:27 hi koen Apr 18 21:03:32 unable in such a way it can be included in openmoko Apr 18 21:03:34 hey woglinde Apr 18 21:03:57 ouch Apr 18 21:04:18 hm I have a buisness idea with the moko Apr 18 21:04:21 i guess the problem is a probable binary only think Apr 18 21:04:48 but dont know if it will work Apr 18 21:05:01 Does any kind of developer device program exist for the Neo1973? I looked through the various documentation on the wiki and didn't see anything about one one way or the other. Apr 18 21:05:26 ???? Apr 18 21:05:35 developer device programm is phase1 Apr 18 21:05:35 JoshTriplett: write a mail to mickeyl and/or harald Apr 18 21:05:44 woglinde: a *free* dev device Apr 18 21:05:57 koen he didnt say this Apr 18 21:06:00 koen_: Not necessarily, but a discounted one perhaps. Apr 18 21:06:00 *g* Apr 18 21:06:44 JoshTriplett: write a mail and they'll be able to tell you if they can get you a free/discounted/regular one Apr 18 21:07:00 koen_: Thanks! Apr 18 21:07:09 no garantees, though Apr 18 21:07:17 koen_: Of course. Apr 18 21:07:34 right now they are out of LCDs.... Apr 18 21:08:24 * Hopscotch new that these 640x480 screens where too neat :) Apr 18 21:10:58 that's the hold-up for releasing the v4 based phones Apr 18 21:11:15 koen: {laforge,mickey}@openmoko.org ? Apr 18 21:11:39 JoshTriplett: yes Apr 18 21:12:44 GaKkGaKk: what was your bad joke? :) Apr 18 21:15:11 is that the final holdup? Apr 18 21:15:48 it must be more, otherwise there would be pre-orders now-ish Apr 18 21:16:19 quitte: according to sean the hardware is OK Apr 18 21:16:34 that is great news Apr 18 21:16:37 * lokkju_wrk is waiting till there is some for of wireless support Apr 18 21:17:18 lokkju_wrk: like gsm or bluetooth? Apr 18 21:17:24 heh Apr 18 21:17:55 koen, heh, sorry, but 802.11a/b/g Apr 18 21:17:57 MacNorth: I told them I would rather pirate books than buy them. Apr 18 21:18:12 lokkju_wrk only bg is planned for now Apr 18 21:18:27 roh, thats fine, even that would be enough Apr 18 21:18:30 why pirate or buy when there are plenty of open ones out there? Apr 18 21:19:07 koen, excellent Apr 18 21:19:07 MacNorth: Appearantly they thought I meant downloading books from the web... And axed me out :\ Apr 18 21:19:19 hopefully Global Locate can get their act together too... Apr 18 21:19:46 holy crap, there are a lot of people in here Apr 18 21:19:53 love that tolerance :-\ Apr 18 21:19:54 btw, the bluetooth chips in on a seperate board, so you can design a board with wifi and plug it in Apr 18 21:19:57 I was expecting at least 1/8 this many Apr 18 21:19:59 since it's just USB :) Apr 18 21:20:18 anyway, what's the architecture for this neo thinger? Apr 18 21:20:18 albino: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Apr 18 21:20:48 i'd prefer a free gps app that makes it easy for uers to create free maps instead of any deals to et closed maps. but i guess thats minorities opinion Apr 18 21:21:01 MacNorth: The real joke is that I already have the book... Apr 18 21:21:08 hah! Apr 18 21:21:40 * GaKkGaKk stole it... or not. Apr 18 21:22:34 pretty harsh operators Apr 18 21:23:58 koen: wow. is the expansion port documented somewhere? Apr 18 21:24:42 i guess the pinout will leak :) Apr 18 21:24:42 quitte: no, but it's only a few pins Apr 18 21:24:44 Yep... They didn't help much while I was in there though :) Can't help but think that the people in #python are nicer... ;) Apr 18 21:25:04 koen: do you know wha the power supply is? Apr 18 21:25:38 I suspect 3.3 V Apr 18 21:26:01 but someone will have to measure it Apr 18 21:26:31 great. now i'll have to stare at the photos to figure out the maximum dimesions for that board ;) Apr 18 21:26:49 but i guess that can be expanded with a dremel Apr 18 21:26:54 rofl Apr 18 21:27:03 1x4 cm or something Apr 18 21:27:05 almost anything can be expanded with a dremel :) Apr 18 21:27:36 especially smd multilayer pcbs Apr 18 21:27:48 quitte: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/412616264/in/set-72157594573486523/ Apr 18 21:27:58 I highlighted the board Apr 18 21:28:11 heh i really have to stop using irc in a terminal Apr 18 21:28:13 thank Apr 18 21:28:15 s Apr 18 21:29:04 should be four pins on the connector - usb and vcc Apr 18 21:30:27 So does anyone have the developer editions of this phone yet? Apr 18 21:30:28 fholmes_laptop: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Apr 18 21:31:43 fholmes serval people have a phase0 phone Apr 18 21:32:46 it really looks an awful lot like just an usb stick Apr 18 21:33:54 * pavelm has phase0 phone here. Apr 18 21:34:07 Hopscotch: Actually the screen is totaly unusable. Apr 18 21:34:20 ...it seems to work pretty well indoors, and is indeed very nice. Apr 18 21:34:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] Apr 18 21:34:27 ...but it is unreadable in direct sunlight. Apr 18 21:34:35 ...which is a showstopper for a phone. Apr 18 21:34:38 Wow. Are they still available and how much would one cost. would it be pointless to buy a dev phone if I am not really planning on doing any developement on there? Apr 18 21:35:07 ...along with missing stylus holder, I guess. Something to fix in new version, I guess. Apr 18 21:35:20 pavelm: the stylus is nagging me as well Apr 18 21:35:31 pavelm: the thing with the display is true Apr 18 21:35:43 pavelm: i fear that the resolution is just a bit overkill Apr 18 21:35:55 pavelm: every bit of dirt is bigger than a single pixel... Apr 18 21:36:18 fholmes: dunno if they are still available. AFAICT some should be available Apr 18 21:36:28 fholmes: But they are terminally broken w.r.t. power management. Apr 18 21:38:40 Cool, well either way I subscribed to the annouce list, so I should get the upcoming pre-orders. Apr 18 21:38:43 hopscotch: Dunno if resolution conflicts with sunglight-readability . Apr 18 21:38:45 Thanks Apr 18 21:39:42 pavelm: don't know. i just saw it thought "whow - that's a display"... and then after a while fighting dust i thought "more is not always better" Apr 18 21:39:52 a bit bigger and everything would be perfect Apr 18 21:39:59 not considering the sunlight of course Apr 18 21:42:12 actually, that's software problem. We should not use as small details as we are using. Apr 18 21:43:08 but then the display could do with less resolution and we would save cpupower as well Apr 18 21:46:53 well, more resulion means nicer fonts etc, so it is not entirely wasted power. Apr 18 21:47:32 counter Apr 18 21:47:32 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 07:06:13 (13.296 +-13.3 days) (918,167) Apr 18 22:13:44 counter Apr 18 22:13:44 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 06:53:07 (13.287 +-13.3 days) (919,167) Apr 18 22:23:50 hi Apr 18 22:50:17 still no news on when the neo is going to go in fase 1? Apr 18 22:50:46 no news = exact date ? Apr 18 22:50:52 yes. Apr 18 22:51:02 There is still no news. Apr 18 22:51:05 fix-- nope Apr 18 22:51:06 :) Apr 18 22:51:08 ah k Apr 18 22:51:15 to bad Apr 18 22:51:22 I'm really looking forward Apr 18 22:51:29 fix-- nothing i know of (and i already have a P0 and see harald every few days in person) Apr 18 22:52:14 roh, will there be any requirements as to who can get one in phase 1? Apr 18 22:52:17 the news: 15% yield on the screens Apr 18 22:52:28 roh: Any news on what the tests on the V4 hardware revealed? Apr 18 22:52:41 SpeedEvil: no bugs, but they can't get enough screens Apr 18 22:52:46 Ah. Apr 18 22:52:49 fix-- nope.. besides about 350$ ;) Apr 18 22:53:08 I paid more for a stupid windows mobile Apr 18 22:53:14 the one with built in gps Apr 18 22:53:26 I used it about 6 times Apr 18 22:53:33 4 times it sent me to the wrong place :s Apr 18 22:53:44 roh: So is it just waiting on screens ATM? Apr 18 22:53:53 and then I'm starting about the responsivness Apr 18 22:54:37 SpeedEvil: that's what sean said this morning Apr 18 22:54:57 SpeedEvil i dunno if i should ack that or better say nothing ;) but i must admit: atm its not the mokos hardware team's fault Apr 18 22:55:39 K Apr 18 22:56:01 and YES.. you guys will propably be the first to know and to slashdot the webshop Apr 18 22:56:19 Personally. If the team can produce working hardware, I'm much happier. Apr 18 22:56:28 Even if component vendors let them down. Apr 18 22:56:33 you are already faster that the coreteam on fixing wiki-vandalism ;) Apr 18 22:56:38 Worst case, screens can be changed. Apr 18 22:56:47 worst case. Apr 18 22:57:01 lets hope it will not come down to that Apr 18 22:57:07 worst case you can buy the screens as 'add-on' ;) Apr 18 22:57:09 * SpeedEvil wants 1440*1024 4". Apr 18 22:57:46 Indeed. It'd be extremely lucky to avoid a case and PCB respin on changing the screen. Apr 18 22:58:22 Just wish there were nice cheap small SAW screens. Apr 18 22:59:03 SAW ? Apr 18 22:59:10 Surface Accoustic WAve. Apr 18 22:59:16 at some point LCDs will reach the DPI reoslution of a DVD Apr 18 22:59:31 Basically it pings the screen glass and listens for the dead spot of a finger or stylus. Apr 18 22:59:42 The nice thing is that you can use diamond coated glass for the screen. Apr 18 22:59:50 Bye Bye scratches. Apr 18 22:59:56 sounds like its as expensive as a house Apr 18 23:00:02 Actually not. Apr 18 23:00:13 They are _mass_ produced for use in checkout scanner windows. Apr 18 23:00:34 where they are used to read barcodes through, while having tins dragged over them all day. Apr 18 23:00:46 (the glass) Apr 18 23:01:22 I got a question,i'm pretty new to wikis and stuff and just saw the music player entry,how do I add a feature request ? Apr 18 23:01:37 Would it fit in the 'use cases' section? Apr 18 23:01:48 Basically. Create an account. Apr 18 23:01:52 openmoko: 03werner * r1800 10/trunk/src/host/devirginator/setup.sh: Apr 18 23:01:52 openmoko: Added command-line option "-c config_file" to load a specific configuration Apr 18 23:01:52 openmoko: file. Apr 18 23:02:00 Find the section you want to edit on the page in question. Apr 18 23:02:13 click the 'edit' link on the right hand side of the page just above it. Apr 18 23:03:04 Questions and Answers would that fit? Apr 18 23:03:23 moment Apr 18 23:04:16 depends what it is. Apr 18 23:04:29 Q&A may be appropriate, or implementation recommendations. Apr 18 23:05:09 im gonna do it in the latter Apr 18 23:05:14 * SrRaven hopes he wont mess up on grammar Apr 18 23:05:32 Or use cases if it's simply some way you want to use it. Apr 18 23:05:46 Grammar is generally easy to fix. Apr 18 23:06:50 can I pm ya what im about to add ? Apr 18 23:06:53 Sure. Apr 18 23:07:21 SrRaven: If it's a question/request, please add it to the talk page Apr 18 23:07:35 cool with me Apr 18 23:07:42 Thanks ;3 Apr 18 23:08:08 Ehm,where is it ? Apr 18 23:09:16 It's the "discussion" page you can see at the top Apr 18 23:10:52 k found it thanks Apr 18 23:11:18 You're welcome Apr 18 23:11:50 And you can sign your entry by using four tildes (~~~~) which will automatically expand to your name and the date Apr 18 23:14:04 ok done Apr 18 23:15:33 ouch i just read openmoko wont be able to do fullscreen video :( Apr 18 23:16:15 Yeah, unfortunately - however even 320x240 should look just fine Apr 18 23:16:53 if 320x240 would be native screen resolution I would agree,but a video not fullsize on a mobile device looks weird Apr 18 23:17:14 It's scaled in the LCD hardware Apr 18 23:17:19 not postage stamp Apr 18 23:17:35 and for noobs that means...? Apr 18 23:17:40 It's fullscreen. Apr 18 23:17:44 Just lower res. Apr 18 23:18:00 meh Apr 18 23:18:12 Why meh? Apr 18 23:18:21 It's a 2.8" screen. Apr 18 23:18:34 have people actually succeeded in playing decent quality 320x240 video yet? Apr 18 23:18:34 You'll only be able to tell a difference with the display under 20cm from your eyes. Apr 18 23:19:30 mmh Apr 18 23:20:11 SrRaven: Is there a standard for storing cover art? E.g. always having something like "cover.jpg" in the directory? Apr 18 23:22:48 mostly its up to the user Apr 18 23:22:52 I got Folder.jpg Apr 18 23:23:05 some use cover,some use album_art as name Apr 18 23:23:42 Hm Apr 18 23:23:46 it really does depend on the media player you use Apr 18 23:24:13 Yeah, I figured something like that - either way there should be only one .jpg in the directory so just using that should work Apr 18 23:24:24 I use foobar (windows) and its just a single line in a config I have to change for it to find the cover art Apr 18 23:25:07 question -> the neo1973 will be the unique phone based in openmoko or will be there other models? Apr 18 23:25:14 other models. Apr 18 23:25:29 The idea is basically for FIC to become a 'PC' type phone maker. Apr 18 23:25:30 SrRaven: Okay. Not using any config would be nicer, though ;) Apr 18 23:25:34 nonickatm: there will be other models, and there will be non-phone devices Apr 18 23:25:36 Selling the hardware only. Apr 18 23:25:47 The software is free. Apr 18 23:25:50 (there is one already) Apr 18 23:25:57 And any hardware maker can install it on their device. Apr 18 23:26:40 FIC would make more margin selling to end users this way, rather than being a subcontractor for Nokia building phones to lowest bid. Apr 18 23:27:54 great, if someone has got cam + {microsd|minisd|whatever} + optionally fm radio just for fun (and coolness too :P) I would be really interested Apr 18 23:28:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Music_Player]] Apr 18 23:28:54 FM would be nice. Apr 18 23:29:03 * SpeedEvil wonders if there are cheap BT radios. Apr 18 23:29:44 wouldn't be possible listen fm via streaming media? Apr 18 23:29:46 do you think they will ever add a gpu? Apr 18 23:30:04 nonickatm: Sure - but bandwidth is a problem. Apr 18 23:30:06 to handles 3d work Apr 18 23:30:43 * mjr just noticed SpeedEvil's Video Player wiki page. Good to hear that stuff plays already Apr 18 23:30:56 openstandards: I'm sure they will, just... when Apr 18 23:31:03 openstandards, "ever" is a long time. Apr 18 23:32:04 indeed it is, just can see it being popular with home brew game creators Apr 18 23:33:22 well for me a vga cam would be enough, because people will always complain of bad quality of the photos Apr 18 23:33:26 i can see FIC doing well out of this they seem to have their heads screwed on Apr 18 23:33:45 openstandards, we all hope so Apr 18 23:34:18 the only thing that the openmoko would need for me to buy it 100% is a cam,I would seriously be happy with a VGA resolution cam,just need a cam Apr 18 23:34:45 buy a camera, then Apr 18 23:34:51 i'd rather see wifi rather than a camera Apr 18 23:35:31 well cjb I dont want to carry a rather big mobile and a camera around....thats what smartphones are for :P Apr 18 23:35:53 with wifi the possibilities are endless Apr 18 23:38:09 hello. Apr 18 23:38:19 hola Apr 18 23:38:30 konnichiwa Apr 18 23:38:35 curious if anyone knows anything about bulk orders? looking to surprise my fellow employees Apr 18 23:38:35 josh__: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Apr 18 23:39:41 FIC says they can make as many as are ordered. there isn't any solid estimate on when pre-orders will start, tho Apr 18 23:39:54 dunno about quantity discounts Apr 18 23:42:20 well I've got canada covered. haahha.. ive been spreading the love about this phone. Apr 18 23:42:20 balrog: non-phone devices, openmoko compatible? I did not know about that. What's the one? Apr 18 23:43:36 pavelm: there are three machines currently supported by the linux & u-boot in openmoko svn Apr 18 23:43:49 the development board, the GTA01 and the HXD8 Apr 18 23:43:56 as i understand it HXD8 is a non-phone Apr 18 23:45:08 balrog: Okay, devel board does not count; but what is hxd8? Apr 18 23:46:20 pavelm: there's no official statement on it Apr 18 23:47:45 balrog: Google returned some commit logs, but that's it. If someone has (unofficial) photo, let me know :-) Apr 18 23:48:36 openmoko: 03werner * r1801 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/mmcinit-power-up.patch: Apr 18 23:48:36 openmoko: board/neo1973/neo1973.c (board_late_init): moved MMC power-up to separate Apr 18 23:48:36 openmoko: function Apr 18 23:48:36 openmoko: cpu/arm920t/s3c24x0/mmc.c (mmc_init): call mmc_power_up and return -ENODEV Apr 18 23:48:36 openmoko: immediately if there is no card Apr 18 23:48:38 i don't know if the case is designed yet :P but there are pictures of the PCB on the internal wiki Apr 18 23:50:18 hxd8? Highly Extreme Device...8bit? Apr 18 23:50:32 No, don't be silly. Apr 18 23:50:35 er, eXtreme i mean, of course Apr 18 23:50:38 it's a new gaming system. Apr 18 23:50:42 ... d8 Apr 18 23:51:06 is it possible to a/ without a service provider b/ be able to transmit voip to the device? or u still need to connect to some tower, etc. etc? Apr 18 23:51:24 you can talk to it via bluetooth or USB Apr 18 23:51:35 you cannot talk point-point with standard GSM radios. Apr 18 23:51:59 so what if we created Open Source Towers? Apr 18 23:52:14 id be grateful to participate in such events. Apr 18 23:52:19 who will pay the construction and electric bill Apr 18 23:52:32 my company. Apr 18 23:52:36 josh__: Highly illegal in most places. Apr 18 23:52:48 the uboot patches say hxd8 has gsm and gps :) Apr 18 23:53:04 what about like wimax towers? I know you can operate under different frequencies that dont require a license such as 5.8ghz Apr 18 23:53:22 Well - that's wimax. Apr 18 23:53:25 That isn't in the phone. Apr 18 23:53:27 C7: doesn't mean it's a phone Apr 18 23:53:34 but mickey said its not a phone Apr 18 23:53:35 .. Apr 18 23:53:52 Could be anything from a truck tracker, to ... Apr 18 23:53:58 josh__, why wouuld your company pay for free phone service? Apr 18 23:54:12 to help connect the world to open source. Apr 18 23:54:38 I hope you realize im not messing around. Apr 18 23:55:02 sure, but what is their motive? will they be able to profit in any way? Apr 18 23:55:02 If it wasnt for open source, I wouldnt be here today, where I am. Apr 18 23:55:13 I run the company. Apr 18 23:55:19 Right. Apr 18 23:55:27 Do enough unprofitable stuff, and there is no company. Apr 18 23:55:47 agreed. Dont worry about profits, Im looking at whether it can be done or not. Apr 18 23:56:27 You can't put up your own GSM towers. Apr 18 23:56:37 (unless there is no law nearby) Apr 18 23:56:39 need a license Apr 18 23:56:42 ok fine. what can we put up then that will work with teh openMoko? Apr 18 23:56:46 Nothing. Apr 18 23:56:53 wifi or bluetooth at the moment. Apr 18 23:57:08 IR towers! Apr 18 23:57:11 well - bluetooth at the moment to be strictrly accurate. Apr 18 23:57:11 hehe Apr 18 23:57:23 josh__, its a government problem Apr 18 23:57:25 ok. so... theoretically if you where in a car with a wimax device, you could theoretically bridge the two? Apr 18 23:57:29 fuck the government. Apr 18 23:57:43 thats no excuse. Apr 18 23:57:46 If you go putting up your own GSM towers, other peoples phones stop working. Apr 18 23:57:50 people need open source. Apr 18 23:57:52 not microsoft. Apr 18 23:57:52 And you should IMO be shot. Apr 18 23:57:57 nah josh__ they have too many STDs... Apr 18 23:58:11 would be unhealthy Apr 18 23:58:17 open source != free bandwidth. Apr 18 23:58:33 Bandwidth will always be a constraint. Apr 18 23:58:40 Wimax is _vastly_ over-hyped. Apr 18 23:58:55 agreed. Apr 18 23:59:13 However. Apr 18 23:59:21 SpeedEvil, do you know what they do with the olpc concerning wifi? Apr 18 23:59:21 60GHz is a possible interesting case. Apr 18 23:59:36 They are using 'mesh' routing. Apr 18 23:59:41 openstandards: we have a wifi chip that implements mesh networking, 802.11s. Apr 18 23:59:43 Which sort-of-works in many cases. Apr 18 23:59:44 * josh__ lol Apr 18 23:59:57 Mesh networking is also alas overhyped by some. Apr 19 00:00:25 It is good in some cases, which may overlap the OLPC considerably. Apr 19 00:00:28 802.11s is completely a new one to me... interesting. Apr 19 00:00:29 you do lose a lot of bandwidth for each mesh hop. Apr 19 00:00:29 other than that I don't see that it's overhyped. Apr 19 00:00:46 especially when you have a chip like ours, which stays on and routing layer2 when the main CPU is off. Apr 19 00:00:53 The problem is that you have no collision avoidance on distant nodes. Apr 19 00:01:14 what kind of collision? Apr 19 00:01:19 And in places where there are many nodes close together, you get cocktail party effects drowning out local signals. Apr 19 00:01:29 Like ethernet. Apr 19 00:01:29 yeah. that's why the bandwidth drops. Apr 19 00:01:53 You can't tell when a far transmitter transmits, so you can't avoid transmitting at the same time. Apr 19 00:02:11 So you inherently interfere with it once you get a bit out of normal range. Apr 19 00:02:32 but surely the mesh node that actually communicates with that far away node could know? Apr 19 00:02:35 But the number of sources rises as fast as the signal drops off (given sources distributed evenly over a plane) Apr 19 00:02:38 * cjb kinda clueless. Apr 19 00:03:00 Mesh routing works for 'small' meshes. Apr 19 00:03:23 we're using a moderately large one at OLPC hq fine :) Apr 19 00:03:25 When the mesh starts to get large - say >10 hops, you start to need to split frequencies. Apr 19 00:03:34 >1000 nodes? Apr 19 00:03:35 doesn't that happen automatically? Apr 19 00:03:37 nah. Apr 19 00:03:39 No. Apr 19 00:04:04 you're right that such a huge mesh would suffer. I don't know that OLPC is creating any that large, though. Apr 19 00:04:09 * SpeedEvil wishes he wrote down the source of that nice paper. Apr 19 00:04:19 I don't think it's a direct problem for OLPC. Apr 19 00:04:38 It's a problem for those proclaiming that mesh routing will solve everything. Apr 19 00:05:00 Consider an infinite plane of evenly distributed transmitters. Apr 19 00:05:19 As you go out from the origin, the signal strength falls off by 1/r^2 Apr 19 00:05:24 (per transmitter) Apr 19 00:05:41 but the number of new transmitters increases as r Apr 19 00:06:03 bah, it's a technical problem; we just need to have the underlying network use auto-directed point-to-point infrared lasers! Apr 19 00:06:05 This means that eventually, you hit infinite noise. Apr 19 00:06:47 Absorbing atmosphere (60Ghz frequency) could fix this. Apr 19 00:07:12 Pointing links at each other helps a little too - but only by a factor of several. Apr 19 00:07:17 heh... slowly i'm gaining speed *install* Apr 19 00:08:58 cjb: What's the largest mesh so far? Apr 19 00:10:04 SpeedEvil here in berlin and in a lot of other cities throughout europe the 'freifunk' community is quite strong Apr 19 00:10:33 SpeedEvil: Your IRC client is sending ANSI codes that my client doesn't understand, Apr 19 00:10:38 SpeedEvil a few hundred nodes in one cloud, and they tunnel the clouds together also Apr 19 00:11:07 cjb: odd. Apr 19 00:11:36 roh: True - there is at least a modicum of network planning in some of that though. Apr 19 00:11:49 SpeedEvil i think its the fat ':' your client emits Apr 19 00:11:56 SpeedEvil: I think it's trying to make the : bold, Apr 19 00:12:01 Odd. Apr 19 00:12:06 * SpeedEvil stabs. Apr 19 00:12:27 * SpeedEvil is unsure how to turn that off. Apr 19 00:13:42 * josh__ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:OLPC-800px-Frame.jpg Apr 19 00:14:12 speedevil: test Apr 19 00:14:31 seems to have done it Apr 19 00:14:39 SpeedEvil: it only does it for tab-completed colons, Apr 19 00:14:56 so try one of those :) Apr 19 00:14:59 Actually - seemingly not. I rarely use the feature. Apr 19 00:15:13 I generally simply type the name followed by a colon. Apr 19 00:15:25 Ah, okay. Apr 19 00:16:31 /fset format_nick_comp $0:$1 or so Apr 19 00:16:44 counter Apr 19 00:16:44 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 6 days 05:51:37 (13.244 +-13.2 days) (920,167) Apr 19 00:16:49 :'< Apr 19 00:17:05 /set NICK_COMPLETION OFF Apr 19 00:17:07 AIUI Apr 19 00:18:11 man, this ibm factory-reset-all procedure takes ages Apr 19 00:18:42 What are you trying to do? Apr 19 00:19:25 i have to give back the t60 to the last company i worked for and migrate my setup to the new t60p Apr 19 00:20:46 meaning copying a few hundred gig of data and wipeing the disk afterwards and then recover the old winxp install (thats what i'm watching right now... 7th reboot or so without any key press needed) Apr 19 00:21:11 Ah. I was thinking it was something PDA like. Apr 19 00:21:54 8th reboot X-) Apr 19 00:22:54 i can't wait to see the integration between evolution and openmoko Apr 19 00:23:35 a phone that will actually be easy to sync up and manage contacts, appointments Apr 19 00:23:58 openstandards: I totally dig it. :) Apr 19 00:24:28 that would be nice wouldn't it orospakr? Apr 19 00:28:53 so basically youre saying that 802.11s could work for this application... although the standard is not yet approved... Apr 19 00:29:43 I'm not actually saying that. 802.11s chips are too expensive for the Moko, I bet. Apr 19 00:30:05 And you need to have other .11s chips around to talk to. So, no, it's an awful idea. Apr 19 00:30:15 something def intersting for the future. Apr 19 00:30:18 cjb besides that i'd like to see any mobile mesh which really works first ;) Apr 19 00:30:19 cjb, how did olpc get away with having them? Apr 19 00:30:39 was going to ask that Apr 19 00:30:47 openstandards: it is a requirement. the developing world does not contain ethernet. :) Apr 19 00:31:52 they're not outrageously expensive (I don't know how much OLPC pays), but I imagine it's too much for the consumer moko, in the quantities they're building in. Apr 19 00:31:52 fair enough, good enough reason Apr 19 00:31:58 and wimax was supposed to be the last mile.. lol Apr 19 00:32:48 i wonder if we'll see nokia supporting openmoko as a framework in years to come Apr 19 00:37:53 we'll see, I rather think they'll try and do something semi-open in-house first. Like Maemo ;] Apr 19 00:38:36 just throwing this out.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZigBee Apr 19 00:41:01 josh_ its dead already Apr 19 00:41:23 oh ok Apr 19 01:23:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Talk:Video_Player]] [[Talk:Music_Player]] Apr 19 01:26:56 openmoko: 03werner * r1802 10/developers/werner/usb-pullup/ (gates.fig npn-pnp.sch two-diodes.sch): Apr 19 01:26:56 openmoko: two-diodes.sch: QUCS schematic and simulation of dual diode design Apr 19 01:26:56 openmoko: npn-pnp.sch: QUCS schematic and simulation of NPN/PNP pair Apr 19 01:26:56 openmoko: gates.fig: schematic (XFig) for solution using 74AUP1Gxx or 74AHC1Gxx gates **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Apr 19 02:59:56 2007