**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 02 02:59:56 2007 May 02 03:17:28 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Hammerhead_protocol]] May 02 03:17:44 counter May 02 03:17:44 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: a week, 5 days 20:42:13 (12.863 +-3.5 days) (1067;191) May 02 03:17:52 hurmph May 02 07:46:53 good morning May 02 07:47:01 Good moaning. May 02 07:47:24 Goede dag. May 02 07:49:18 Hopscotch: Any progress? Nobody has gotten the GPS on the neo to talk. May 02 07:52:32 not so far May 02 07:52:43 different problems here stopped me from working on that May 02 07:53:08 we have a ~130 people wlan network here and in one of the most important antennas was water... May 02 07:56:36 Oops. May 02 07:56:52 besides that we have no rain for four weeks May 02 08:00:46 hiho May 02 08:01:26 hi hopscotch May 02 08:14:04 * aloril suspects that once P1 becomes available (or before that) once we know how to talk to GPS deciphering protocol and fitting existing code to use it won't take long May 02 08:15:11 i hope so May 02 08:16:26 hammerhead is very sensitive - in fact more than any gps i've seen so far May 02 08:17:05 sensitive as in "fragile" or "freaking good reception" ? May 02 08:17:55 hehe, good reception May 02 08:18:04 it's the only one to get a lock inside my flat May 02 08:18:15 cool May 02 08:19:53 even if only 130dbm of the 160dbm sensitivity in the datasheet are true, it's amazing May 02 08:20:32 sirf states 159dbm in the datasheet but it doesn't get a lock here May 02 08:20:47 need to go outside and the lock is lost once i'm inside again May 02 08:21:00 the hammerhead keeps the lock May 02 08:25:03 as said before here, it would be funny if GPL GPS driver was available for Neo1973 before closed one ;-) May 02 08:25:25 that would really rock da house :) May 02 08:25:56 I have a ssh link to the neo open right now May 02 08:26:08 so if someone needs some commands to be run.... May 02 08:26:56 May 02 08:27:23 :))) May 02 08:29:40 i will try to get my p0 here charged again May 02 08:29:54 * Hopscotch still can't understand why it drains the battery all the time May 02 08:29:59 even if i force the charger May 02 08:31:21 (koen: I guess you have already tried what esw at alum.mit.edu said) May 02 08:31:27 yes May 02 08:31:32 counter May 02 08:31:33 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: a week, 5 days 15:28:26 (12.645 +-3.5 days) (1068;191) May 02 08:31:40 (the od doesn't work, but neither does cat) May 02 08:36:13 * koen ipkg install coreutils May 02 08:46:03 LaF0rge: hey, do you have a machine with a spare CPU? May 02 08:46:29 hi May 02 08:50:52 hi all May 02 09:16:28 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Gpsd]] [[Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xephyr]] [[Main_Page]] May 02 09:16:31 hopscotch: charge? May 02 09:16:43 hopscotch: what exactly is your problem May 02 09:28:00 130dB would not be good. In fact it'd be utterly useless. May 02 09:28:34 Well - unless you need only approximate time, within a few thousand kilometers of the satellite. May 02 09:31:57 speed: we have multiple chipsets with actual measured sensitivity beyond -150dB. and yes, it is useful for getting weak signals in AGPS applications even [partially] indoors May 02 09:35:49 Oh - yes. I agree more sensitivity is good. May 02 09:36:18 Just that 130dB is insensitive enough that it actually won't work on earth. May 02 09:36:20 LaF0rge: seems my phone drains the battery May 02 09:36:24 LaF0rge: it's probably still the "phone draws power while powered off" May 02 09:36:37 LaF0rge: only when i let it stay in bootloader mode it switches on the charger May 02 09:37:56 mickeyl: righto... May 02 09:39:23 morning May 02 09:39:37 LaF0rge: don't bother - i'll fight it down myself May 02 09:40:00 * SpeedEvil would have given up and attached a 3.3V PSU to the battery contacts. May 02 09:40:09 (regulated) May 02 09:41:09 in the lab this wouldn't be a problem May 02 09:41:16 but here i have only 5v May 02 09:41:17 ... May 02 09:42:40 any idea when P0 devs get their P1 device? (from those 150 working devices) May 02 09:43:31 *g* May 02 09:45:05 the audio in neo..will it be mono or stereo? May 02 09:45:21 Stereo. May 02 09:45:34 Though from the internal speakers you won't get much stereo effect. May 02 09:46:25 SpeedEvil: turn on the 3d and the stereo effect is better May 02 09:46:26 hey, hey May 02 09:47:20 good morning May 02 09:48:41 SpeedEvil, that's why in v2 we'll need extensible speakers ! May 02 09:51:30 Optical audio connector for digital 7.1 output? May 02 09:51:55 i there just was a regular 3.5mm plug connector :< May 02 09:52:01 * SpeedEvil too. May 02 09:52:02 if, that is May 02 09:52:41 now i need to rig up some half-assed solution to get headphones attached May 02 09:53:39 a regular connector would probably also attracy buyers May 02 09:54:07 getting a standard 4 gb player for the price isn't actually that bad, considering it's extendable May 02 09:54:29 4g? May 02 09:55:42 guaqua: an adapter costs like 1$ May 02 09:55:59 maybe fic should bundle it May 02 09:56:13 definitely more useful than the lanyard May 02 09:56:24 hmmm May 02 09:56:32 as for 4gb, we still dont know if sdhc will work May 02 09:56:32 gltt seems to run neo1973 May 02 09:56:41 despite of the wrong abi May 02 09:56:44 :) May 02 09:56:53 Adaptor costs $1 May 02 09:57:10 If it's the rigid sort, it stresses the headphone jack. May 02 09:57:16 If it's not, it tangles more. May 02 09:57:54 as opposed to a 3,5mm plug which doesn't stress the jack??? May 02 09:58:28 Jan 1 00:29:29 fic-gta01 user.info gltt: *** initializing hal May 02 10:00:38 philippe: ping May 02 10:02:10 3.5mm plug on 2.5mm-3.5mm adaptor, adding 3cm or so of length is much worse May 02 10:03:37 it's always more stuff to carry with you May 02 10:03:55 but if it was bundled i suppose many people would appreciate it May 02 10:04:16 And these things cost near zero in thousands. May 02 10:04:38 hmmm May 02 10:04:51 koen: ok... you're right... gltt seems to fail May 02 10:04:51 i wonder if the button some headsets have could be abused to control the mp3 player May 02 10:04:51 press once to skip track May 02 10:04:53 press longer to go backward May 02 10:04:55 or somoe such May 02 10:05:04 koen: 1184 io_submit(0x2, 0x2, 0xfbad2088 May 02 10:05:08 end-user going home eager to plug in their own headphones realizes he can't do that....it's a bad user experience May 02 10:05:22 koen: in the trace on the tomtom that line is 256 getpid() = 256 May 02 10:05:36 guaqua: realistically, you cant do it with just about all phones May 02 10:05:43 possible exception of mp3 player cum phone May 02 10:05:50 (say nokia n91) May 02 10:06:02 buz: and how does that make it a bad user experience? May 02 10:06:08 err May 02 10:06:12 how doesn't it? May 02 10:06:17 i'd say it's kinda expected by most May 02 10:06:30 so bundling an adapter would actually be a big improvement May 02 10:06:43 from "usual crap" to "hey, they thought of it" May 02 10:06:52 yeah May 02 10:07:06 i'm all for that May 02 10:07:18 mhh maybe you could actually do a proper remote for the mp3 player May 02 10:07:30 with DMTF like interface to the microphone? May 02 10:08:21 also if there was a way to have the connector attached to the phone's hole to reduce stress on the actual connector board May 02 10:08:26 buz: i like the idea May 02 10:08:28 guys, where do I go if I'm new and have issue executing make openmoko-devel-image May 02 10:08:32 guaqua: so do i May 02 10:08:33 gets a bit complicated though :) May 02 10:08:37 i should patent it ;) May 02 10:08:40 Not really practical guaqua. May 02 10:08:57 well the general idea here now May 02 10:09:02 The case isn't suitable for that sort of attach. May 02 10:09:05 just sketching in my head May 02 10:09:32 attaching it the same way the lanyard is? May 02 10:09:34 i wonder what kind of sampling rate you'd need on the microphone port to get dtmf like stuff working May 02 10:09:42 8Khz is just fine. May 02 10:10:04 yeah but how much power does it draw to constantly sample @8khz May 02 10:10:10 Near zero. May 02 10:10:14 buz: no generating 2600 tones :-) May 02 10:10:17 But then you need to have the CPU on. May 02 10:10:18 mhh that might work then May 02 10:10:21 press the button - then talk May 02 10:10:22 Which doesn't use near zero. May 02 10:10:31 SpeedEvil: you kinda need the cpu to decode mp3 May 02 10:10:42 Oh - right, missed that bit. May 02 10:11:08 buz: your problem is the speakers are next to microphone, feedback hell awaits May 02 10:11:23 wtf listens to music over those speakers May 02 10:11:26 :D May 02 10:11:34 or some casemod to connect adapter "inside" case and be a 2inch-soft-coord coming out May 02 10:11:51 the REMOTE is gonna generate the tones and send it over cable to the microphone port May 02 10:12:02 neither micro nor speakers are really involved May 02 10:12:35 about the only question is how to power the tone generator May 02 10:12:40 1 wire bus. May 02 10:12:54 1 wire bus is cool. May 02 10:13:11 can you use that on the headset jack? May 02 10:13:25 Don't see a reason why not. May 02 10:13:41 i'd suppose it's only connected to the dac? May 02 10:13:52 hang on May 02 10:14:21 mhh need go cook lnunch ;) May 02 10:14:21 bbl May 02 10:16:25 buz: power it from the mic bias May 02 10:17:52 1 wire bus is basically a 1 wire parasite powered bus. May 02 10:18:05 There are assorted things that hang off it. May 02 10:18:31 From DACs and ADCs, to switches, GPIO, and even security tokens. May 02 10:20:09 http://www.maxim-ic.com/auto_info.cfm May 02 10:36:33 1wire is kinda cool May 02 10:39:28 I'd like an L-shaped 2.5mm -> 3.5mm connector for the audio May 02 10:39:59 The Treo650 one is L shaped May 02 10:40:17 :) May 02 10:43:31 wel May 02 10:44:02 we'll have an adapter, L shaped, but not right now. just nobody seems to have time to source them in quantities here yet ;) May 02 10:44:26 Ah, nice. Thanks for the info May 02 10:44:45 LaF0rge: consider changing wiring so Neo matches some other phones wiring :-) May 02 10:46:16 XorA: Nokia? May 02 10:46:34 hrw: I was thinking HTC as ebay is awash with 1$ adaters for them May 02 11:18:28 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_Hardware]] May 02 11:49:12 openmoko: 03thomas * r1893 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (10 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) May 02 11:49:12 openmoko: * Makefile.am: May 02 11:49:12 openmoko: * configure.ac: May 02 11:49:12 openmoko: * po/LINGUAS: May 02 11:49:12 openmoko: * po/Makefile.in.in: May 02 11:49:14 openmoko: Add gettext and intltool support May 02 11:49:16 openmoko: * libmokoui/Makefile.am: May 02 11:56:28 (script) openmoko-devel: Werner Almesberger Re: GPS GPL driver. May 02 11:58:48 * SpeedEvil wonders if that's an announce of a completed one, but suspects not :) May 02 11:59:10 http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/weblogsinc/engadgetmobile/~3/113593197/ wtf 7.1 in a phone May 02 12:00:00 XorA: afaik neo's wiring is moto v360 compatible May 02 12:00:09 shouldnt be a problem to get THOSe adapters in big quantities May 02 12:01:19 as for the 1 wire thing, i udnerstand the concept, yet i dont know if you could abuse the mic port for some simple signalling? May 02 12:02:02 Sure - short out the mic, and it can be told in software. May 02 12:04:55 "But on the internet I read that the iPhone might go with the Samsung s3c2460 chip," May 02 12:05:09 does that one have video acceleration? if not, i dont see how they would get that gui working May 02 12:05:42 uhm graphics acceleration i mean May 02 12:09:01 buz: thats useful to know May 02 12:09:13 no, i don't think it has graphics acceleration May 02 12:11:03 iphone is vapourware so no sense worrying about it May 02 12:14:45 * Stephmw sniffs that glorious Apple Coke... it's the pure stuff. May 02 12:32:45 * SpeedEvil was surprised to get mail about OLPC today. May 02 12:33:00 what was it about? May 02 12:33:03 There were a couple of interesting pages of text, then guess what at the bottom. May 02 12:33:16 A viagra advert. May 02 12:33:32 :D May 02 12:33:57 'Viagra Professional' ? May 02 12:34:06 one viagra per child? May 02 12:34:08 Hoping never to need that. May 02 12:34:49 any volunteers to write the C app werner was talking about? May 02 12:35:00 <- not a C coder May 02 12:35:23 what C app? May 02 12:35:36 send data to the GPS May 02 12:35:59 cat May 02 12:36:31 that's what I thought, but the experts say cat doesn't do the job May 02 12:37:24 dd :-) May 02 12:39:28 does it need some signalling lines wiggled? May 02 12:39:35 XorA the problem is just that closing and reopening the device wouuld propaply irritate the hammerhead or so May 02 12:39:35 no idea May 02 12:39:59 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-May/000900.html May 02 12:41:05 It has no RTS/CTS May 02 12:41:16 opening and closing the device as such does not send data. May 02 12:41:31 Of course. May 02 12:41:40 If you're not listening when it sends data. May 02 12:41:47 That means the data hits the bit bucket. May 02 12:42:00 Which is the other problem with cat solution May 02 12:43:02 I'd be wondering about minicom, and 'upload ascii' May 02 12:54:33 How do I flash the boot loader through the debug board? I flashed the v3 boot loader into v4 hardware by accident. May 02 12:56:40 holtmann: load the low-level-foo via jtag then the bootloader to ram May 02 12:57:07 Is there a wiki page with details. I flying blindly here. May 02 12:57:22 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Devirginator May 02 12:57:40 the provided configs and scripts didn't work for me, but I could extract the needed info May 02 12:58:13 I used devirginator with bv3 without problems May 02 12:58:40 bv4 not yet here (yet) May 02 13:02:28 counter May 02 13:02:28 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: a week, 5 days 10:57:30 (12.457 +-3.5 days) (1069;191) May 02 13:04:07 counter May 02 13:04:07 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: a week, 5 days 10:55:50 (12.455 +-3.5 days) (1070;191) May 02 13:17:28 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Bootable_USB_device_emulation]] [[Bootloader]] May 02 13:41:46 anyone here? May 02 13:41:46 J_a_m_e_s: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) May 02 13:42:15 hi i am having a problem, can anyone help? May 02 13:42:33 with MokoMakeFile May 02 13:43:00 which problem? May 02 13:43:10 not unless you provide with some info on the problem May 02 13:43:53 i'm trying to use qemu, so i type "make qemu" it downloads the stuff then comes up with this error: May 02 13:44:03 james@james-ubuntu:~/Desktop$ make qemu May 02 13:44:04 [ -e stamps/patches ] || \ May 02 13:44:04 ( svn co http://svn.nslu2-linux.org//svnroot/.../trunk/patches patches ) May 02 13:44:04 Checked out revision 93. May 02 13:44:04 [ -e bitbake/patches ] && \ May 02 13:44:04 ( cd bitbake ; quilt pop -a -f ) || true May 02 13:44:06 ( cd bitbake ; svn revert -R . ) May 02 13:44:08 cd: 1: can't cd to bitbake May 02 13:44:10 svn: '.' is not a working copy May 02 13:44:12 svn: Can't open file '.svn/entries': No such file or directory May 02 13:44:14 make: *** [stamps/patches] Error 1 May 02 13:44:33 do 'make setup' first May 02 13:44:40 i have installed: sudo apt-get install qemu lynx netpbm May 02 13:44:41 oh ok May 02 13:44:57 thank you May 02 13:45:03 roll on mid may! May 02 13:49:52 do you know if i will be able to order a phone from the UK in mid may? May 02 13:51:34 counter May 02 13:51:35 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: a week, 5 days 10:08:23 (12.422 +-3.5 days) (1071;191) May 02 13:51:59 counter May 02 13:51:59 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: a week, 5 days 10:07:59 (12.422 +-3.5 days) (1072;192) May 02 13:52:14 nice! :D May 02 13:55:57 ~lart people w_h_i_c_h u_s_e n_i_c_k_s h_a_r_d t_o w_r_i_t_e May 02 13:55:57 * apt puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at people w_h_i_c_h u_s_e n_i_c_k_s h_a_r_d t_o w_r_i_t_e May 02 13:56:35 hard to read as well May 02 13:56:48 lame in other word May 02 13:57:40 mpf May 02 13:57:52 2gb microsd: 26chf, 4gb microsdhc 110chf May 02 13:58:22 and just look at the difference! May 02 13:58:33 how much is that in a non-monoploy currency? May 02 13:58:48 nevertheless, it would be nice to know if the sdhcs work, but I'll almost certainly settle for a 2G one May 02 13:58:49 1gb microsd is <8 eur here May 02 13:58:58 26 Swiss francs = 15.808Euros May 02 13:59:00 ~change 26 chf to eur May 02 13:59:09 i got some error trying that May 02 13:59:17 buz: quite cheap May 02 13:59:24 yeah cant complain about that May 02 13:59:30 on top of it, microsdhc isnt even on stock anywhere May 02 14:00:08 .21 has the sdhc patch May 02 14:00:26 but we dont know yet if it works with neo right? May 02 14:01:07 the .21 kernel works May 02 14:01:21 i mean sdhc support May 02 14:01:30 i would hope that the kernel works May 02 14:01:31 root@neo1973:~# uname -a May 02 14:01:31 Linux neo1973 2.6.21.1-moko10 #1 PREEMPT Tue May 1 09:30:17 CEST 2007 armv4tl unknown unknown GNU/Linux May 02 14:01:54 ~lart lenovo May 02 14:01:54 * apt overclocks lenovo until lenovo burns out May 02 14:02:09 i've changed my nick name May 02 14:02:20 those suckers wont ship my thinkpad May 02 14:02:47 'make setup' takes a while May 02 14:05:12 350.00 USD = 175.982 GBP can i assume that would be the selling price? May 02 14:05:12 webjames: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) May 02 14:05:50 well that plus shipping cost May 02 14:06:16 and probably vat May 02 14:06:21 cool.. i just sold my K800i so that should cover it May 02 14:06:24 and customs May 02 14:06:47 customs on electronics is usually very low May 02 14:07:00 vat aswell, i suppose, although a single unit would not have a customs fee possibly May 02 14:07:44 i'd expect a "in your hand price" of about 400usd May 02 14:07:54 i see you guys seem to be around Europe as well, i guess we can expect similar shipping rates May 02 14:07:57 unless you live in a 20% vat country obviously May 02 14:08:10 haha, nearly 17.5% May 02 14:08:22 * hrw assume free costs May 02 14:09:07 brb May 02 14:09:08 i think it's such a good idea, i hope Ubuntu will start supporting it's features May 02 14:09:19 * May 02 14:09:42 hm, 25% vat .. ugh May 02 14:09:57 ugh indeed May 02 14:10:18 how long does it take to complete 'make setup' on your computer? May 02 14:11:04 first time takes a long time May 02 14:11:10 cos the download mirror is slow May 02 14:12:16 ahh is that what it's doing, i thought it was compiling something May 02 14:12:32 revs in - 701/4,465 May 02 14:13:31 might take a while ;) May 02 14:13:46 it'll continue where it left if you break it May 02 14:14:00 yeah.. :( i just wanted to see what it looked like in Qemu May 02 14:14:16 it's the price you pay for taking the easy route and not reading the docs May 02 14:14:32 i did read the docs.. May 02 14:15:08 if you're pulling from scratch, you obviously didn't May 02 14:15:34 i have tried using mokomakefile and typing make qemu, but it fails May 02 14:17:02 koen:what should i have done? May 02 14:20:03 i think it was cos i did make qemu before, i've started again May 02 14:22:10 webjames: read the manual May 02 14:27:40 i have been reading the manual, i've got it now, it was cos i downloaded the make qemu, then it was trying to update stuff May 02 14:28:02 openmoko: 03thomas * r1894 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (5 files in 2 dirs): May 02 14:28:02 openmoko: * libmokoui/Makefile.am: May 02 14:28:02 openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-ui.h: May 02 14:28:02 openmoko: Added moko-ui.h to include all libmokoui headers May 02 14:28:02 openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-stock.c: May 02 14:28:02 openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-stock.h: May 02 14:28:04 openmoko: Add copyright headers May 02 14:29:53 webjames: please paste your error message somewhere so could be more helpful May 02 14:30:42 Moo^^:no no, you were very helpful and i'm sorted now. thank you May 02 14:39:43 where is the list which tells which openembedded packages go to openmoko? May 02 15:24:46 openmoko: 03thomas * r1895 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/artwork/ (52 files in 5 dirs): artwork: Move stock icons into icon theme May 02 15:26:10 counter May 02 15:26:11 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: a week, 5 days 08:33:47 (12.357 +-3.5 days) (1073;192) May 02 15:33:07 openmoko: 03thomas * r1896 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/artwork/icons/openmoko-standard/ (6 files in 2 dirs): artwork: Move 22x22 icons to correct directory May 02 15:46:45 Moo^^: It's in packages/tasks/ May 02 16:00:13 abraxa__: thanks! May 02 16:01:19 Moo^^: Thank CoreDump|afk, not me - I could find it for the life of me either ;) May 02 16:01:36 couldn't* May 02 16:02:11 And matter of fact my package gets included in the build process now but doesn't get installed. May 02 16:03:45 abraxa__: make sure it is added as _R_DEPENDS May 02 16:05:36 gtg, cu May 02 16:06:26 CoreDump|afk: It is, I just put it in the finger task category where the calculator was already in May 02 16:07:16 The calculator does get built and installed, however my app only built (and the image/install dirs inside the work dir look just fine also) May 02 16:09:52 and you are absolutely sure that you rebuilt openmoko-task.bb? May 02 16:11:17 openmoko: 03laforge * r1897 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-dfu.patch: May 02 16:11:17 openmoko: * fix breakage of DFU upload (device->host pc) introduced in rev. 1803 May 02 16:11:17 openmoko: * turn debug message into real debug() rather than printf() May 02 16:12:06 CoreDump|afk: I did a "bitbake task-openmoko" after which parts of the toolchain were rebuilt May 02 16:12:47 that would not rebuild task-openmoko unless you "bumped" its "PR" / version May 02 16:13:03 Hmm May 02 16:13:16 bitbake -c clean $PATH_TO_BB ; bitbake -b $PATH_TO_BB forces a rebuild May 02 16:14:12 Would bitbake's force option do the same? ie. "bitbake -f -b $PATH_TO_BB"? May 02 16:14:58 I dunno actually, I made a script doing the two-step method above a looooong time ago May 02 16:15:14 And that makes sense now since I cleaned my own package, not task-openmoko May 02 16:15:15 (back in the day that way the only way to do it) May 02 16:15:20 Ah okay May 02 16:15:27 I'll try -f then and if it doesn't work... :) May 02 16:15:33 ) May 02 16:15:35 ;) May 02 16:15:56 Again, thanks a bunch! May 02 16:16:10 I think I'd waste even more time on this if you weren't around. May 02 16:17:18 you're welcome 09 May 02 16:17:20 Has anyone here brought up a Java on Openmoko? May 02 16:17:20 Zigurd: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) May 02 16:17:24 s/09/=) May 02 16:18:05 I see that is still an open issue in the FAQ May 02 16:20:01 Zigurd, there's been a lot of questions but fewer volunteers to actually do the job. One guy from Sun did say that he'd work for getting J2ME on OpenMoko (on the community list some months back) May 02 16:20:17 I have a question , why neo1973 use jffs2 in nand flash instead of yaffs ? May 02 16:20:34 I think yaffs is more fit for nand flash for jffs2 May 02 16:22:00 mjr: jserv2 did put screenshots up of CacaoVM+Classpath May 02 16:22:09 mjr: not J2ME, but it's *a* Java ;) May 02 16:22:16 mjr, Interesting. I'm having an open source Java ported to an embedded graphics stack for a project I'm working on, but Openmoko is an interesting platform. May 02 16:22:26 Might be worth adding. May 02 16:22:37 Right, a real Java SE May 02 16:22:50 cool! May 02 16:22:51 what stack are you starting from for your own project? May 02 16:22:59 Kaffe/Classpath May 02 16:23:18 you should hang around in #classpath ;) May 02 16:23:28 MiniGUI for the graphics May 02 16:23:46 Yeah, I shoudl May 02 16:27:12 falls_huang: I think you're better off asking that on the -devel mailing list May 02 16:27:39 abraxa__, I see , thx ! May 02 16:33:45 when i go 'make setup' it takes ages, will it take this long when it comes to updating my phone when i get it? May 02 16:34:25 webjames: Nope, what takes so long is fetching the monotone repository - the end-user doesn't need that May 02 16:34:40 webjames: Though... since you're running qemu I'm not sure make setup is even needed May 02 16:35:39 i ran 'make qemu' and it gave me an error so i was told to run make setup May 02 16:35:42 :( May 02 16:36:03 "make setup-env" should suffice May 02 16:36:05 this is the error: May 02 16:36:09 james@james-ubuntu:~/Desktop$ make qemu May 02 16:36:09 [ -e stamps/patches ] || \ May 02 16:36:09 ( svn co http://svn.nslu2-linux.org//svnroot/.../trunk/patches patches ) May 02 16:36:09 Checked out revision 93. May 02 16:36:09 [ -e bitbake/patches ] && \ May 02 16:36:10 ( cd bitbake ; quilt pop -a -f ) || true May 02 16:36:12 ( cd bitbake ; svn revert -R . ) May 02 16:36:14 cd: 1: can't cd to bitbake May 02 16:36:16 svn: '.' is not a working copy May 02 16:36:18 svn: Can't open file '.svn/entries': No such file or directory May 02 16:36:22 make: *** [stamps/patches] Error 1 May 02 16:36:33 Uh May 02 16:36:38 webjames: please use pastebin in the future =) May 02 16:36:47 Yeah, I was about to say that, lol May 02 16:36:56 whats pastebin? May 02 16:37:03 ~pastebin May 02 16:37:04 But yeah, try a "make setup-env" and then "make qemu" May 02 16:37:05 pastebin is probably a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well May 02 16:37:13 okay i'll try that May 02 16:38:28 okay i've done that, now what? May 02 16:38:57 okay i've got make qemu running May 02 16:39:03 Good ;3 May 02 16:47:43 okay i get this error: http://dpaste.com/9474/ May 02 16:48:28 what the bloody hell May 02 16:48:47 my god damn broker spam tripled over night WITF May 02 16:50:21 i've got ubuntu feisty installed with netpbm lynx and qemu May 02 16:51:27 any ideas? i've got make setup still running i spose i'll see if that works after. that other setup option didn't give me the bitbake dir that i think is needed May 02 16:51:56 webjames: "make setup-bitbake" May 02 16:53:14 okay i'll try that May 02 16:55:20 okay now i get this error but the bitbake error has gone: http://dpaste.com/9475/ May 02 16:59:55 webjames, "cd: 1: can't cd to openembedded" ---> it seemed u lack openembedded dir in /home/moko May 02 17:00:03 webjames: That's interesting. May 02 17:00:22 did u execute "make update && make setup" first ? May 02 17:00:28 yeah, i guess i do need the whole 'make setup' it's nearly done now May 02 17:00:52 i have it's still running, but apparently i shouldn't need to do that? May 02 17:02:47 webjames: Thing is that I don't see a reason why qemu should need OpenEmbedded - yet the makefile seems to insist that it's present May 02 17:03:05 rwhitby: Can you clear that up maybe when you're around again? :) May 02 17:03:15 yeah.. in the FAQ it never mentions you need to run make setup, just make qemu May 02 17:03:47 webjames: Actually it does in the "Installation" paragraph - but it's overkill imo May 02 17:04:10 i thought that was for if you wanted to install it not if you wanted to emulate it May 02 17:04:49 which web browser is used by openmoko now ? May 02 17:05:09 Internet explorer :p May 02 17:05:16 (not really) May 02 17:05:19 maybe epiphany ? May 02 17:05:40 yeah, i think thats the gnome integrated one May 02 17:05:55 although most gnome distro use firefox May 02 17:05:57 falls_huang: webkit will be used as far as I know May 02 17:06:10 !webkit May 02 17:06:32 webkit will be used in future . Now ,I started openmoko in qemu , and clicked Web , a web browser started, but I don't what it is May 02 17:06:51 don't know what it is May 02 17:06:58 Ah May 02 17:07:56 I executed "web" command in termianl of qemu-openmoko , it printed some stuffes includes "epiphany" May 02 17:08:11 so I think maybe the /usr/bin/web is epiphany May 02 17:08:44 falls_huang: Actually it's "web" May 02 17:09:00 (quite the unique name...) May 02 17:09:58 abraxa__: can u visit any web site in the "web" of openmoko-qemu ? May 02 17:11:45 I have no idea how OpenMoko within qemu would connect to the outside world so I'm quite certain that it won't work at this point May 02 17:14:59 how does one start qemu once one has run make qemu? May 02 17:15:33 make qemu-run (but that's already done by make qemu) May 02 17:15:59 err run-qemu, not qemu-run May 02 17:16:51 great another error: http://dpaste.com/9477/ May 02 17:17:34 i have gcc 3.x, problem is i also have gcc 4.x May 02 17:18:28 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[ChangeLog]] May 02 17:18:48 Then you can use gcc-config to switch or edit qemu's makefile May 02 17:18:52 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:OpenMoko_under_QEMU has more May 02 17:19:08 cool, thanks May 02 17:19:51 Welcome ;3 May 02 17:22:46 oh, I know what's the web in openmoko ---> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=web May 02 17:22:58 --> openembedded/packages/web/web_svn.bb May 02 17:24:14 the web is a toy :) May 02 17:24:58 i've never seen the "Bad fd number" error from qemu's configure May 02 17:29:16 abraxa__:i can't use gcc-config i don't have it on my system May 02 17:29:42 Ah okay... then you'll have to edit the makefile May 02 17:30:36 i'm looking at the make file i cannot find where it says where the version is. you can use "gcc -V 3.3" to set the version May 02 17:31:57 It's in the MokoMakefile, line 262 May 02 17:32:40 --target-list=arm-softmmu ) becomes --target-list=arm-softmmu --cc=YOUR_GCC3_VERSION ) May 02 17:33:07 Then do a rm stamps/qemu and try again May 02 17:34:26 abraxa__:awesome thank you very much May 02 17:34:46 No prob ;3 May 02 17:35:19 abraxa__:like this: --target-list=arm-softmmu--cc=3.3 May 02 17:35:29 assuming my version is 3.3 May 02 17:35:30 hi May 02 17:35:35 howdy May 02 17:36:59 i was just wondering about the eu-order of phase1 - its always said the openmoko is 350$ - will it be more expensive from eu-order due to customs duty, shipping, etc? (i mean like shipping from taiwan(?) to the eu-order-stock(?)) May 02 17:38:13 it is very likely that there will be at least one european distributor May 02 17:40:14 * SpeedEvil will do it for a free one :) May 02 17:40:56 webjames: Almost: --target-list=arm-softmmu -cc=gcc-3.3 May 02 17:41:06 err --cc May 02 17:42:53 CoreDump|home: i read a mailinglist post that stated that there will be one May 02 17:43:14 other question is: how long after the "official" phase1 release will the eu distributor ship? May 02 17:44:15 AFAIK that depends entirely on FIC ;) May 02 17:44:22 *g May 02 17:44:45 4 days, 2 hours and 6 minutes May 02 17:45:14 balrog-kun: hm? May 02 17:46:48 i guess attempts to answer to "when" or "how long" questions are pointless, looking at the P0, and P1 releases May 02 17:47:21 hm, okay ;P May 02 17:54:27 okay, i've tried and tried i'm still getting this error: /home/james/Desktop/MOKO/openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/configure: 364: Syntax error: Bad fd number May 02 17:54:51 what's that mean? i've put the --cc=gcc-3.3 in May 02 17:55:20 /devel/arm/build:/devel/arm/org.openembedded.dev May 02 17:55:42 w May 02 17:55:59 ups May 02 17:56:00 webjames: When you type gcc-3.3 on a console and press the tab key, does it autocomplete it to something else? May 02 17:56:40 i don't think this error has anything to do with gcc versions anymore May 02 17:56:51 nope it's just 3.3 or 3.4 May 02 17:57:03 looks like the script is not compatible with your shell or something May 02 17:57:04 balrog-kun: Just wanted to make sure May 02 17:57:31 qemu's configure is not a regular autoconf generated configure May 02 17:57:46 how can i change my shell? May 02 17:57:48 webjames: what does a "set | grep SHELL" show? May 02 17:58:25 hard to say, have you tried building mainline qemu from qemu.org lately? May 02 17:58:39 SHELL=/bin/bash May 02 17:58:58 bash is good, *should* work then... May 02 17:59:13 i got my qemu from the ubuntu repos, apt-get install qemu May 02 18:00:58 hi all May 02 18:01:04 Hellos May 02 18:01:17 anybody here using gentoo May 02 18:01:19 ? May 02 18:01:19 stephan: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) May 02 18:01:23 wow, it is 2007 and people can still get the shadow files using /../../../etc/.. in queries... May 02 18:01:31 stephan: Yep May 02 18:02:07 nice OS then May 02 18:02:08 zecke I wonder why they use asp on unix May 02 18:02:16 haev you tried geting openmoko qemu to work? May 02 18:03:02 stephan: Yup May 02 18:03:04 stephan: it works for me May 02 18:03:20 webjames: What's line 364 of the qemu configure? May 02 18:03:23 ah ok so i am doing something wrong then... May 02 18:03:26 thanks May 02 18:03:39 stephan: What's the problem you're having? May 02 18:04:01 well it doesnt compile right May 02 18:04:17 i have to look deeper in it then May 02 18:04:24 braxa__:theres not a 364 in the makefile May 02 18:04:27 abraxa__:theres not a 364 in the makefile May 02 18:04:37 webjames: I meant line number 364 ;) May 02 18:04:44 And not the makefile, the configure file May 02 18:04:56 abraxa__:wheres that? May 02 18:04:59 /home/james/Desktop/MOKO/openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/configure May 02 18:05:08 bye May 02 18:05:14 woglinde: what should they use? php? May 02 18:06:19 abraxa__:erm it says "fi" May 02 18:06:50 zecke hehehehee May 02 18:10:28 webjames: Uh okay... that doesn't help much at all... can you maybe shove the 20 lines before and after that "fi" into a pastebin? May 02 18:10:42 abraxa__: don't put stuff on your Desktop May 02 18:11:03 loufoque: That's webjames' system, not mine May 02 18:11:50 * CoreDump|home prefers jailing build environments May 02 18:12:03 Same May 02 18:12:07 ++CoreDump|home May 02 18:12:14 =) May 02 18:12:39 abraxa__:okay i've done that: http://dpaste.com/9483/ May 02 18:14:39 webjames: Hmm, I don't see anything suspicious there... May 02 18:14:51 no i'm not sure if it is the gcc version.. May 02 18:15:02 CoreDump|home: because they may do bad things to your files? May 02 18:15:12 this bad fd thing flags up some weird results on google May 02 18:15:38 http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Bad+fd+number May 02 18:15:44 balrog-kun: oh yeah. A single rogue Makefile / script would be enough to render your machine useless May 02 18:16:14 something to do with the bash not being bash but dash May 02 18:16:17 CoreDump|home: well, yeah (or at least your account), but then anything you run may do that May 02 18:17:17 abraxa__:i'm running ubuntu 7.04 btw May 02 18:17:54 webjames: Yeah, that's why I was asking for SHELL earlier May 02 18:18:07 balrog-kun: I agree, but on my host system I trust Debian that they know what they are doing. I do not have the same trust into each of the 4000+ OE .bbs =) May 02 18:18:33 webjames: What does a "ls -l /bin/bash" show btw? May 02 18:18:37 abraxa__:and it said it was bash didn't it.. hmm maybe May 02 18:19:04 CoreDump|home: true May 02 18:19:27 abraxa__: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 700560 2007-04-11 00:32 /bin/bash May 02 18:19:52 webjames: which of the lines in http://dpaste.com/9483/ is 364? May 02 18:20:35 webjames: And "ls -l /bin/sh"? May 02 18:21:46 http://dpaste.com/9484/ i've highlighted line 364 May 02 18:22:07 humm May 02 18:22:15 abraxa__: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2007-04-27 12:24 /bin/sh -> dash May 02 18:22:24 Ah, there we go May 02 18:22:32 Gotta make that a symlink to bash then May 02 18:22:45 the only suspicious thing is the >& redirection, line 10, but i'm not a bash guru May 02 18:22:49 rm /bin/sh; ln -s /bin/bash /bin/sh May 02 18:24:29 counter? May 02 18:24:29 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; P0: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review; a week, 5 days 05:35:29 (12.233 +-3.5 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-05-13); 4 months, a week, 6 days (136.733 +-15.0 days) for mass market (2007-09-15): see topic for more info (1074;192) May 02 18:24:46 if that works, please add a hint to the wiki Talk page May 02 18:25:21 balrog-kun: It actually is already in the wiki on the MokoMakefile page - just easy to overlook, it seems May 02 18:25:46 ah okay :) May 02 18:25:52 abraxa__: ok i just ran that line, now i go to run 'make qemu' and it says: make: /bin/sh: Command not found May 02 18:25:53 * abraxa__ goes to bold it May 02 18:26:12 chmod a+x /bin/sh May 02 18:26:41 SpeedEvil: do you have a blog, a webpage or similar detailing your car hacking attempts? May 02 18:26:47 No. May 02 18:26:57 abraxa__: chmod: cannot access `/bin/sh': No such file or directory May 02 18:27:19 Did you do the rm/ln steps as root? May 02 18:27:40 nope, but then i did May 02 18:28:05 i mean i didn't then i thought i ought to so i then ran it again as root May 02 18:28:24 Then do the chmod and all should be fine May 02 18:29:08 okay that's sorted now seems to be making May 02 18:29:23 i just relinked it again as you said May 02 18:29:40 Good :) May 02 18:31:18 abraxa__: says now: ERROR: QEMU requires SDL or Cocoa for graphical output. i think that means it's worked May 02 18:31:45 Yup! And it means you need to install libsdl ;) May 02 18:31:53 "ERROR" doesn't mean things worked. May 02 18:32:39 for an optimist it does May 02 18:34:45 new errors //always// mean things are working more than they did :) May 02 18:35:32 abraxa__: in my synaptic i have about 30 libsdl... files May 02 18:35:43 how do i know which ones to tick? May 02 18:38:00 you need one that ends in -dev or -devel, probably 1.2, and doesn't say anyting like Audio, Net, etc May 02 18:38:41 abraxa__: cool, i have just ticked it and it's installing now. brilliant! May 02 18:41:15 abraxa__: seems to be working then lots of errors: ... http://dpaste.com/9487/ May 02 18:45:03 umm May 02 18:45:24 you need a space between --target-list=arm-softmmu and --cc May 02 18:46:41 actually you don't need the --cc at all it seems, because it got autodetected May 02 18:46:48 ahh... May 02 18:47:07 quitte_: I have been planning on making the Megasquirt ECU I'm running controllable through the neo. May 02 18:47:25 quitte_: There is already some OSS code out there. May 02 18:47:52 s/running/going to be running/ May 02 18:48:09 balrog-kun: thanks May 02 18:48:19 I think hard-real-time on the neo, with it controlling the injectors and sparks might, while fun, be a mistake. May 02 18:48:25 balrog-kun: same error though May 02 18:48:37 webjames: can you pastebin again? May 02 18:48:52 okay May 02 18:49:34 balrog-kun: http://dpaste.com/9488/ May 02 18:50:08 it doesn't seem to rerun ./configure May 02 18:51:24 maybe removing config-host.{mak,h} would for MokoMakefile to rerun configure, i haven't read the MokoMakefile yet May 02 18:51:35 s/for/force/ May 02 18:51:35 balrog-kun meant: maybe removing config-host.{mak,h} would force MokoMakefile to rerun configure, i haven't read the MokoMakefile yet May 02 18:53:13 oh, it says [ -e build/qemu/Makefile ] || \ May 02 18:53:24 i think this is the file that needs removing May 02 18:54:06 which file to i delete? May 02 18:54:29 build/qemu/Makefile May 02 18:54:43 ok May 02 18:55:51 oh, MokoMakefile does out-of-tree configuring and building, this is smart May 02 18:56:03 i didn't know it even works with qemu's makefiles May 02 18:58:03 balrog-kun: still alot of errors: http://dpaste.com/9491/ May 02 18:58:38 do you have zlib header installed? May 02 18:59:20 i'm going to add a mention of the zlib requirement in the wiki May 02 18:59:28 balrog-kun: pong May 02 18:59:30 yeah May 02 18:59:40 i have just installed that now May 02 18:59:42 hrw: timed-out ;) May 02 19:00:02 balrog-kun: ;D May 02 19:00:06 balrog-kun: what was it? May 02 19:00:15 yeah it's making now... May 02 19:00:23 SpeedEvil: hmm. shouldnt the ecu be able to operate mostly autonomously?+ May 02 19:00:46 after all it's quite security relevant. May 02 19:00:58 hrw: i was told to ask you for a minimal rootfs for regression testing as you might be able to easily produce one from poky or OE, one such image was needed to qemu.org downloads section May 02 19:01:04 balrog-kun: for your info: it's called zlib1g-dev in ubuntu May 02 19:01:31 balrog-kun: ah. yes - we discussed it today in OH May 02 19:01:46 balrog-kun: gratulations for qemu code acceptation May 02 19:01:48 SpeedEvil: can you give me some urls on that? i didnt know there was any free ecu software May 02 19:02:12 hrw: in the end i took a kernel from pokylinux.org and unpacked a couple of ipk's from angstrom-distribution.org feeds and it produced a very nice HD rootfs May 02 19:02:22 thanks :) May 02 19:08:27 its working!!! :D :D May 02 19:08:52 thank you so much! balrog-kun and abraxa__ May 02 19:09:19 Glad to help ;3 May 02 19:09:58 :) May 02 19:10:06 Hope you'll stick around and help make OpenMoko the best platform for mobile users ;p May 02 19:10:36 balrog-kun: during day it is easier to catch me using Jabber then irc May 02 19:15:48 hrw: okay, good to know May 02 19:16:05 balrog-kun: my OH account or hrw@jabber.org May 02 19:17:28 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] [[MokoMakefile]] May 02 19:24:13 abraxa__: i'll be sticking around, just had a quick play around it's looking good May 02 19:25:06 abraxa__: i'm an open source convert since november last year, used to have XP now have ubuntu, used to have a sony erricson now i'll have openmoko! May 02 19:25:59 Haha awesome =) May 02 19:26:48 why when it starts up does it have a nice background, and the dialer icons then they dissapear as doe sthe background and it goes blue/grey May 02 19:28:03 I'm not quite sure what exactly you're refering to but keep in mind it's still being majorly worked on - so the screenshots on the wiki is what it'll eventually look like and the current state shouldn't put you off May 02 19:28:39 i think it looks great already considering the short time its had to develop! May 02 19:29:31 Ah, I misunderstood then... and yup, that it does :) May 02 19:30:20 well done all. v impressed May 02 19:30:40 i like the web browser May 02 19:34:35 haha, a terminal on a phone.. brilliant May 02 19:35:00 Wow, there's an emulator? May 02 19:35:01 Zagrophyte: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) May 02 19:35:41 Zagrophyte: yeah! it give you a little taster, and my o my does it taste good May 02 19:36:40 I've recently switched to Ubuntu as my primary OS at home, excited about the prospect of a lunux phone as well May 02 19:36:52 *linux May 02 19:37:37 Zagrophyte: me to, only switched a few months ago, still have to use xp at university and i realise how bad it was! May 02 19:37:58 webjames we can choose May 02 19:38:01 What made you two switch btw? May 02 19:38:04 Yeah, I dual boot win2003 May 02 19:38:17 cu May 02 19:38:20 bye hrw May 02 19:38:22 Well, I just got tired of the blandness, saw how nice Beryl was, and certainly wasn't going for vista May 02 19:38:31 woglinde: you can choose at university, we can in certain rooms. but thats only jsut come in May 02 19:38:39 Also wanted to get away from all the pirated apps May 02 19:38:46 webjames we have windows and linux pc's May 02 19:39:24 Zagrophyte: you should reclaim your dualboot space by running win2k3 in a virtual machine when you need it May 02 19:39:45 Zagrophyte: plus, it makes that box a bit easier to back up :) May 02 19:39:46 pjz yes May 02 19:39:48 abraxa__: xp corrupted all my video file header so none of them would play, weird, i'd tried linux before redhat, suse, but ubuntu just worked which was good for me May 02 19:39:57 ltrace build fails for qemux86 target. does anyone has this problem? May 02 19:40:13 pjz: I probably will, is there any easy ways to transition a partition into a virtual hard disk file? May 02 19:40:16 vmware server is free May 02 19:40:19 *** No rule to make target `i586/arch.h', needed by `sysdep.h' May 02 19:40:26 Zagrophyte: yeah, VMware has some tools to do that May 02 19:40:54 I don't boot into windows really, it's so weird going back into it May 02 19:40:59 Moo^^: Never seen that one... did you check bugzilla yet? May 02 19:41:00 Zagrophyte: start out by getting VMware running though; you'll have to do a little patching to make it work May 02 19:41:15 VMware is closed-source May 02 19:41:18 only thing i miss is being able to play my old fav games May 02 19:41:27 The only thing I see keeping it around for is games and Visual Studio stuff May 02 19:41:32 qemu runs win2003 really nice May 02 19:41:42 balrog-kun: oh? interesting May 02 19:41:52 webjames: There's wine and dosbox May 02 19:41:59 i've only just heard of qemu doing this openmoko emulation May 02 19:42:02 I've heard things about Cedega too May 02 19:42:03 virtual box is also opensource May 02 19:42:10 Zagrophyte: balrog-kun says qemu will run 2k3 just fine for you; I haven't tried it, but that sounds better than VMware actaully May 02 19:42:17 abraxa yeah but not all games are running smooth May 02 19:42:21 Cedega is just for the REALLY, REALLY major games... anything else is pretty much unsupported May 02 19:42:26 nfsu for example May 02 19:42:42 Cedega also doesn't play nicely with oepnsource projects May 02 19:42:46 abraxa__: nohits May 02 19:42:48 yeah but cedega costs May 02 19:42:54 abraxa__: yeah i've tried wine, it's nearly there. it's jedi knight dark forces II i want to play at the moment May 02 19:43:13 winde supports many of the same software and is entirely free (as in freedom) May 02 19:43:15 cedega just freezes my computer when i load it May 02 19:43:20 *wine May 02 19:44:07 also cedega just takes advantage of what wine has been doing all along, most of the dev in cedega is the gui May 02 19:44:18 ah May 02 19:44:27 I love NX Server May 02 19:44:38 Esepcially the citrix-like parts May 02 19:44:52 serving gimp and firefox to my work pc, etc May 02 19:45:01 balrog-kun: is the 'messages' thing meant to work? May 02 19:45:29 webjames: which one? May 02 19:45:48 its an icon on the Home screen May 02 19:46:31 balrog-kun: i click the sand timer goes round then disappears and nothing comes up May 02 19:46:38 oh must have been added recently May 02 19:46:47 many things don't work yet May 02 19:46:55 it's amazing how fast it's developed May 02 19:47:27 they are releasing the phones in a matter of days though? May 02 19:48:00 I'm afraid to install wine ;) May 02 19:48:05 Is it huge/bloaty? May 02 19:48:12 nope May 02 19:48:51 i used it to run dreamweaver and flash when we had to do a project with it, it was brilliant May 02 19:49:01 Funniest thing though, to play Continuum, unless they fixed wine since the page's instructions were posted, to play it I have to download the entire 3gb source for wine and recompile it after fixing one line of code :/ May 02 19:49:23 So that gave me a bad impression from the get-go :D May 02 19:49:36 (Continuum is a tiny space shooter game) May 02 19:50:06 I'll give it a try tonight May 02 19:50:16 (wine, not recompiling the source, haha) May 02 19:50:58 whats the icon on the status bar at the bottom right? May 02 19:53:50 do you think you will be able to put a password on it? like a pin? May 02 19:54:02 abraxa__: added full trace back here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xephyr May 02 20:04:32 anyway thanks alot for all the help, i'll be buying one of these in a few days! very exciting, to my fellow Europeans i hope shipping isn't too much! May 02 20:05:29 take care, bye May 02 20:10:15 "i'll be buying one of these in a few days" - man, I wish. May 02 20:16:59 i've been saying that since the new year May 02 20:17:28 i should just get a tibetan prayer wheel instead. save the vocal chords and keyboard :-D May 02 20:17:41 hm May 02 20:17:43 why that? May 02 20:18:24 each time a prayer wheel revolves, the prayer is 'said' May 02 20:18:48 would also help direct the energy from anticipation May 02 20:32:35 hrm May 02 20:33:29 what if it directs the energy the opposite direction and the release is delayed? May 02 20:33:52 balrog-kun: if you know the release is delayed May 02 20:34:02 then you know you directed the energy the wrong way May 02 20:34:10 and start turning the wheel in the other direction May 02 20:34:25 oh, that might work May 02 20:34:33 buuuut May 02 20:34:50 how about us stopping to make fun of the only religion on this planet not having killed vast numbers of people so far? May 02 20:35:10 buddhism? May 02 20:35:14 i tried the trick with using a microwave as a fridge by spinning the plate the opposite direction but it didn't work as well as i expected May 02 20:35:17 abraxa__: yup May 02 20:35:53 Yeah, it's the reason why buddhism is the only religion I think is actually civilized enough to be respected May 02 20:36:18 yes May 02 20:44:10 abraxa__: I'll look into MokoMakefile qemu depending on OE - you're right, it shouldn't need that dependency, unles you're doing the qemu-flash-local target. May 02 20:44:43 rwhitby: Thank you :) May 02 20:44:45 rwhitby: can you test in mokomakefile does OE has proper revision and not pull if it does? May 02 20:45:03 hrw: already does that May 02 20:45:09 cool May 02 20:45:27 for make update at least. May 02 20:45:54 and make setup won't pull if it's been done at least once successfully before May 02 20:47:13 rwhitby: does 'make update' also check for update to makefile? May 02 20:47:31 no, you have to "make update-makefile" for that. May 02 20:47:58 I see May 02 20:48:06 that may change in the future when it moves back to projects.openmoko.org May 02 20:48:32 I am asking because today I had to debug why one user had a problem with builds. He had old makefile with floating OE head May 02 20:49:18 yeah, I'm open to preferences on that one. May 02 20:49:42 you need to do make update-makefile separately anyway, cause it changes the makefile, which could change the behaviour of the rest of the make update sub-targets. May 02 20:50:15 so you either need to do make update-makefile ; make update or make update ; make update (if make update updated the makefile automatically) to be sure. May 02 20:51:58 or let it do 'make check-makefile' during 'make update' with infos when update is available? May 02 20:52:25 hrw: yep, could easily do that. May 02 20:56:07 country May 02 20:56:09 counter May 02 20:56:10 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: a week, 5 days 03:03:48 (12.128 +-3.5 days) (1075;192) May 02 20:59:30 Good morning/day/evening all. May 02 21:00:06 Anyone knows whether the NEO1973 is available for purchase? May 02 21:00:06 mr007: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) May 02 21:00:33 phase0 devs will get own p1 devices soon May 02 21:01:07 Soon being days? May 02 21:01:37 any news coming up one planet.openmoko? May 02 21:02:45 Also - there how does one qualify for phase0 dev status? I haven't seen that covered in the FAQ or elsewhere. May 02 21:03:11 the next production run should be 10th, the one after that 20th, limited sales should be starting around those AFAIK May 02 21:03:26 phase 0 is over May 02 21:03:39 p0 was vitamin b May 02 21:03:47 I see :) May 02 21:03:51 or well, not over, but the phones were delivered quite a while ago already May 02 21:04:06 it's not really over over until p1 starts, of course... May 02 21:04:21 So - what's a realistic date for someone who wants to start developing on the platform/for the platform and joins now? May 02 21:04:54 You can develop now already May 02 21:05:10 Yes, but I need the device/dev. board to do something meaningful. May 02 21:05:20 really? May 02 21:05:36 Yes. For the purposes of what I intend to develop. May 02 21:07:41 So - can anyone shed some light on the availability for developers who join in now? I'd appreciate that. May 02 21:08:21 wait and pay $350? May 02 21:08:40 I'm prepared to pay. Question is - how long do I have to wait. May 02 21:08:44 My personal estimate is late May/early June because the first factory run is scheduled for May 10th May 02 21:08:55 * mr007 nods May 02 21:09:00 Thanks, abraxa. May 02 21:09:25 Well, maybe we're lucky and they ship 5 days after the first run... no one knows :) May 02 21:09:42 Who'd be the best person to contact for early purchase? May 02 21:09:59 No one - Sean will make an announcement on the announcement mailing list May 02 21:10:08 I see. May 02 21:10:27 At that point openmoko.com should become available and the 3800+ subscribers to that list will begin a DDoS May 02 21:10:31 Another question - for those who already tried the device - how good is the cellular functioning? May 02 21:10:58 There's a video on YouTube that shows bits May 02 21:11:08 Searching for the Neo brings it up May 02 21:11:31 Ok. I'll try. But was wondering whether anyone actually tried it and can give a personal testimony. May 02 21:12:04 mr007: It's still pretty rough. May 02 21:12:14 * mr007 nods May 02 21:12:30 Can it hold a steady GPRS connection for a while? May 02 21:12:48 A while=10's of minutes. May 02 21:12:53 mr007: If you would give us a hint about your application and or detailed question we could perhaps help you better... May 02 21:13:44 I'm interested in developing some things that run over GPRS/EDGE. The application should have a steady datalink for 10's of minutes. May 02 21:13:46 erm, I think a continuous connection is no problem, as long there are no incoming/outgoing calls or sms messages May 02 21:13:49 mr007: alphaone suggested that pavelm has tried it. There should be a wiki article May 02 21:14:18 Thanks, stefan. I presume it's on planet? May 02 21:14:58 mr007: wiki.openmoko.org May 02 21:15:10 Got it. Thanks for the inputs. May 02 21:15:18 mr007: I never tested it with mine though May 02 21:15:32 Would it be too much to ask to give it a run, stefan? May 02 21:15:42 mr007: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS May 02 21:16:13 mr007: sorry no time for it the next days. Really busy. Just looked into channel for a 5 minute break May 02 21:16:37 * mr007 nods - Understandable. May 02 21:17:03 Thanks for the help, guys. I hope to be able to get a device very soon. May 02 21:17:16 mr007: The biggest blocker for continous connection (while traveling) is probably crappy coverage May 02 21:17:28 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xephyr]] May 02 21:17:59 alphaone - that's an issue with any GSM phone. May 02 21:18:12 mr007: I think hardware is fine with your needs and software is fixable. May 02 21:18:26 I'm wondering whether there are rough edges in Neo GSM implementation that make the problem more severe. May 02 21:19:00 mr007: Yeah. Just wanted to point out that this will be the main issue. May 02 21:19:17 That's encouraging to hear, alphaone. May 02 21:19:37 Would rather focus on the application itself than debug the GSM rough edges. May 02 21:19:41 mr007: yeah, there *are* rough edges as this phone is available 4 month before mass market. :) But if you find a bug and can reproduce it, report it and we will fix it. :) May 02 21:19:50 mr007: Well thing are still in flux pretty much that we don't really worry about that yet. May 02 21:19:51 Cool :) May 02 21:20:40 * alphaone goes off again. Softening the edges :-) May 02 21:20:43 BTW - I've got some comments/suggestions for the installation HOWTO. Who do I address these to? May 02 21:20:54 wiki? May 02 21:21:11 If wiki then Talk: page? May 02 21:21:39 Ok. May 02 21:24:36 stefan_schmidt / alphaone: You two part of the Braunschweig Connection (TM) by chance? May 02 21:25:14 * stefan_schmidt gets back for some fights with libsn and xevents May 02 21:25:24 abraxa__: For sure. :) May 02 21:25:42 Somehow I got that impression... ;) May 02 21:26:20 Another question guys - is the dev. board availabel for purchase now and is it functional enough to establish a data connection over cellular? May 02 21:26:36 abraxa__: heh, right now alphaone an me sitting here and hack on footer and applets May 02 21:27:09 mr007: P1 is the dev board. May 02 21:27:15 abraxa__: Yup :-) May 02 21:27:26 Oh, I see. May 02 21:27:37 stefan_schmidt: Oh cool... and I'm still wondering whether the server rack you have in the living room is operating or not - and if it is... how the hell you guys manage to sleep May 02 21:27:42 mr007: Should be a complete phone from the hardware side. May 02 21:28:01 mr007 you can even call with p0 phones May 02 21:28:01 abraxa__: That's the one from alphaone May 02 21:28:04 abraxa__: That's mine :-) May 02 21:28:12 Is it packaged as a phone or as a dev board? May 02 21:28:12 *laughs* May 02 21:28:20 mr007: phone May 02 21:28:28 Got it. May 02 21:28:51 So is it operating or just postmodern interior design? May 02 21:28:53 mr007: If your search on flickr for Neo1973 you should find some photos from koen of his P0 package May 02 21:29:13 * stefan_schmidt whispers alphaone is just geeky. ;) May 02 21:29:19 abraxa__: It's actually not that loud. Only one switch and my server making noise in there and through the rack it's actually less noisy than without. :-) May 02 21:30:06 stefan_schmidt: You're just jealous because it didn't fit in your room :-) May 02 21:30:21 Ooh okay... I'm disappointed now - I was hoping you'd be even more hardcore than the pictures already depict you ;) May 02 21:30:25 abraxa__: And don't ask how we get this into the 13th floor without elevator. May 02 21:30:35 alphaone: righto May 02 21:31:00 abraxa__: We got it for free from a bank that closed their branch. May 02 21:31:15 Why should I ask? I'm 110% sure you guys are Trekkies so you just beamed it. May 02 21:31:21 abraxa__: http://projects.totalueberwachung.de/hummerc May 02 21:31:21 abraxa__: No, I *am* hardcore. :-) May 02 21:31:42 abraxa__: I think I don't need to tell more. :) May 02 21:31:51 * stefan_schmidt runs away from alphaone ... May 02 21:31:56 Heh May 02 21:32:53 Just curious... why did you choose WiFi instead of e.h. ZigBee? May 02 21:32:56 e.g.* May 02 21:32:59 All these projects...and still not finished. *sigh* May 02 21:34:50 mr007: Here are some from mine: http://sicherheitsschwankung.de/gallery/v/openmoko/IMG_8372.JPG.html May 02 21:34:50 abraxa__: Wifi has a larger range. The idea was (still is when I get some free time) to be able to drive around campus where they have WLAN coverage. May 02 21:34:58 ohh May 02 21:35:00 http://sicherheitsschwankung.de/gallery/v/openmoko/IMG_8375.JPG.html May 02 21:35:10 http://sicherheitsschwankung.de/gallery/v/openmoko/DSCN2121.JPG.html May 02 21:35:15 Okay, that just qualified you as geeky enough ;D May 02 21:35:21 http://sicherheitsschwankung.de/gallery/v/openmoko/IMG_8401.JPG.html May 02 21:35:38 With a different AP I could also connect a USB webcam. May 02 21:36:07 Anyway, enough full disclosure today. Now everybody know that alphaone is geeky and I can go back to work. ;) May 02 21:36:24 lol May 02 21:37:04 I'll hopefully meet you guys one day... and I'm confident already that it's gonna be fun May 02 21:37:24 abraxa__: It's always fun. :) May 02 21:37:33 abraxa__: LinuxTag embedded day? May 02 21:37:51 abraxa__: guadec, camp, linuxtag May 02 21:37:54 It is tempting but I'm not sure I can afford the trip May 02 21:38:37 abraxa__: IIRC you live in the near of FAM? May 02 21:38:44 Thanks, stefan. Looks just what I need :) May 02 21:38:56 Looks=Looks like May 02 21:38:56 mr007: good :) May 02 21:39:06 OpenMoko has their own village at the Chaos Communication Camp :-) May 02 21:39:07 alphaone: chaos camp? May 02 21:39:21 Well, the GSM Village. But so far nobody seems responsible for organization. May 02 21:39:29 lardman|gone: yup May 02 21:39:38 mr007: Just keep in mind that the doughter baord, JTAG and serial, is not in the default package. It's in the Hacker's Lunchbox. May 02 21:39:38 alphaone: Any more information about the CC Camp? May 02 21:39:51 stefan_schmidt: mokoparty? May 02 21:40:02 Hopscotch: Where, camp? May 02 21:40:02 That's what I meant - the hacker's lunchbox is exactly what I need :) May 02 21:40:10 mr007: ah, ok. :) May 02 21:40:12 stefan_schmidt: i meant the photos May 02 21:40:19 abraxa__: http://events.ccc.de/camp/2007 May 02 21:40:22 Hopscotch: heh, yes May 02 21:40:35 stefan_schmidt: on the camp there'll be a party anyways :) May 02 21:40:57 Another question - is the GSM s/w part also open sourced or is it following the sorry steps of Motorola and Greenphone? May 02 21:41:02 Hopscotch: All three phones arrived the same day. We jumped in our openmoko shirts and started the fun. :) May 02 21:41:24 p0 phones? May 02 21:41:31 or are you on p1? May 02 21:41:31 mr007: All the software in userspace is open source. May 02 21:41:40 mr007: You mean the GSM stack itself? May 02 21:41:51 Yes, the stack itself. May 02 21:41:59 alphaone: cool, hope to see you there then May 02 21:42:00 mr007: That one is closed and only available through AT commands May 02 21:42:03 Well, with the possible exception of the GPS daemon. May 02 21:42:13 Sad... :( May 02 21:42:25 mr007: Sorry, no chance to get this open. At least not the next years I guess. :( May 02 21:42:41 Is that regulatory considerations or company considerations? May 02 21:42:51 Hopscotch: All P0 atm. May 02 21:42:55 what could you do if this was open? May 02 21:42:57 mr007: Regulatory. May 02 21:42:58 the gsm stack May 02 21:43:04 Got it. May 02 21:43:13 alphaone: That sounds really good, too =) May 02 21:43:17 drath: Naturally - alter some parts of it :) May 02 21:43:32 drath: You could do a lot. :) Think about all the nice security holes... ;) May 02 21:43:35 I guess the providers fear (probably right so) that if the GSM stack was opened people could do *serious* bs with their network May 02 21:44:01 LarstiQ: I'm looking forward to it. May 02 21:44:03 alphaone: We will see what the gsm-scanner project will bring us here. :) May 02 21:44:18 heh, ok May 02 21:44:21 http://wiki.thc.org/gsm May 02 21:44:23 I am trying to run Openmoko in nested X11 server. All images are missing and no application will start (except main menu). May 02 21:44:35 could someone point me to the right direction? May 02 21:44:36 That's the other project that has joined the GSM Village May 02 21:44:46 I'm looking forward to meeting them. May 02 21:45:26 Moo^^: Set PATH appropriately? May 02 21:45:30 drath: More serious. I always prefer open standards. And we like to help them to get the bugs fixed. May 02 21:46:29 Is the Wi-Fi part an SDIO card add-on to Geo or soldered to the board? May 02 21:46:39 Neo that is. :) May 02 21:47:03 Soldered on board May 02 21:47:05 alphaone: how/where/why I need to set PATH? May 02 21:47:08 Shit. May 02 21:47:20 not SDIO for sure May 02 21:47:28 Oh? May 02 21:47:28 stupid question probably, is my assumption correct that DECT requires different hardware? May 02 21:47:45 alphaone, mr007: SDIO but soldered on the board anyway IIRC May 02 21:47:56 Argh.... May 02 21:47:58 oh May 02 21:48:01 mr007: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Neo1973_Hardware May 02 21:48:04 I'd like to replace it with other stuff... May 02 21:48:14 LarstiQ: Yes. May 02 21:48:32 alphaone: still need to get me a dect phone then May 02 21:49:17 LarstiQ: yes May 02 21:49:19 mr007: Sorry, misread Wifi for GSM May 02 21:49:35 I'm not seeing any mention of Wi-Fi on that page, alphaone. May 02 21:49:48 cu May 02 21:49:52 * alphaone still has the DECT phone he bought at WTH May 02 21:49:57 cu hrw May 02 21:50:26 * LarstiQ wasn't in the country during WTH :/ May 02 21:50:36 mr007: That's because it's only very (very) likely that p2 devices will have Wifi May 02 21:50:58 Argh... Disappointing. May 02 21:52:08 alphaone: err, P1.5 will not have wifi? May 02 21:52:46 mmp: Can't say. May 02 21:53:17 alphaone: :) May 02 21:53:23 What are the projected release dates for P 1.5 and P2? May 02 21:53:27 I asked just in case:) May 02 21:53:39 Don't want to say yes if it doesn't happen and I don't know how hard it will be to integrate. May 02 21:53:44 * mmp still waits for the announcements :) May 02 21:54:29 alphaone: From personal experience integrating Wi-Fi onboard can be quite challenging ;) May 02 21:55:04 One more reason to put in a SDIO card. May 02 21:55:13 put=put it May 02 21:55:51 mr007: Hardware is not our main resort. And release dates are Sean job. :) May 02 21:56:08 I see :) May 02 21:56:59 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-April/000012.html May 02 21:57:02 I really hope the Neo will take of well. It seems like an excellent concept (open source) and a great potential platform for all kinds of interesting stuff to do with it :) May 02 21:57:31 There's the announcement mentioning WiFi May 02 21:58:09 Yes, I just opened it. Looks like AR6K. May 02 21:58:18 yup May 02 21:59:01 Who do I talk to to change that decision? ;) May 02 21:59:19 Anyway, time for fetching a new club mate and work again. It's almost 00:00 am perfect time for work, as always. :) May 02 21:59:51 cu guys. May 02 21:59:55 mr007: Probably coreteam May 02 22:00:00 Ok. May 02 22:00:09 Cu, stefan. Thanks for your inputs. May 02 22:00:20 mr007: why would you want to change that decision? Just curious. May 02 22:00:29 Okay, bye May 02 22:00:52 Umm... To put in more functionality for one thing, LarstiQ. May 02 22:01:53 mr007: whilst adhering to the requirement for open drivers? May 02 22:02:02 Yes, of course. May 02 22:02:26 Otherwise it'd be defying the purpose of the phone. May 02 22:04:10 is there a some shell script/install script one should run after chroot'ing to x86 environment? May 02 22:04:22 pango-querymodules where missing, as gdk pixbuf loaders May 02 22:04:27 mr007: right, but the quest for such wifi hardware wasn't trivial iirc May 02 22:06:03 I understand that, LarstiQ. May 02 22:06:30 mr007: so you can understand my eagerness to hear about your suggestion :) May 02 22:06:38 :) May 02 22:06:50 Are you part of the core team, LarstiQ? May 02 22:07:39 nope May 02 22:09:25 There are some products that should hit the market and were not yet announced that might be an alternative to AR6K. May 02 22:11:45 * mr007 is back May 02 22:11:49 * mr007 is back May 02 22:11:51 aha, any idea on when they will hit the market? May 02 22:12:40 ~3 months AFAIK May 02 22:14:07 Again - having a SDIO slot instead of on-board soldering might help... May 02 22:14:36 mr007: mail one of the coreteam May 02 22:14:44 * mr007 nods May 02 22:15:35 why is AR6K bad? May 02 22:16:24 I didn't say it was bad. Just that one might get better functionality for the same size, if the platform is open enough hardware wise. May 02 22:16:56 Open should not stop with Open Source ;) May 02 22:20:09 Gotta run. Thanks for inputs, guys. May 02 22:22:16 hmm, ad one SDIO slot more - I heard something about that SD actually supports more devices hooked on one bus... May 02 22:23:45 yes, it does May 02 22:27:11 so there could be sdio slot even if there is ar6k... May 02 22:28:29 good night:) May 02 22:39:17 Free phone calls all around the world -----> http://callfree.point-serv.com/en/ May 02 22:41:04 Free phone calls all around the world -----> http://callfree.point-serv.com/en/ May 02 22:41:42 hit'n'run May 02 22:44:03 yiihaa! it's running! it's running. May 02 22:44:12 * Moo^^ succesfully started Xephyr Openmoko May 02 22:44:16 and updated the wiki page too! May 02 22:44:21 I love you guys May 02 22:44:43 :) May 02 22:49:07 Moo^^: Actually we love you for writing on the wiki ;) May 02 22:54:29 abraxa__: yay. I have been fighting with this three days now. I hope the next candidate doesn't need to be Hercules ;) May 02 22:55:11 Moo^^: Tell me about it. I've been fighting with OE for a little more than that, too. May 02 23:02:07 Moo^^: great :-) May 02 23:19:29 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page]] [[User:Miohtama]] [[Running_OpenMoko_on_PC]] [[Minimo]] [[User_talk:Miohtama]] [[Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xephyr]] May 02 23:22:01 counter May 02 23:22:01 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: a week, 5 days 00:37:56 (12.026 +-3.5 days) (1076;192) May 02 23:56:53 Heya, everyone May 02 23:57:05 I played a bit with decoding of the gps... but the wiki seems dead now :-( May 02 23:57:27 Hellos May 02 23:57:33 The wiki works fine for me May 02 23:59:31 Hmm, it works okay from second machine :-( May 03 00:00:13 yeah, it's good from here, too May 03 00:01:33 well, it was 1kb/sec from university machine. Plus something is wrong with my home network, I get 3second ping to the backbone. I guess combination of that is deadly. May 03 00:01:59 3s ping is deadly alone... May 03 00:02:29 Ok, I'll reboot that phone. May 03 00:04:04 Huh, reboot did _not_ help. May 03 00:04:22 Actually 3sec is lightly-loaded GPRS connection, or loaded EDGE May 03 00:05:01 ...aha, and problem is not with my home connection, but with university May 03 00:10:42 I've uploaded some scripts (hh.c and hhdecode) to http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/outgoing. Some interesting packet structure seems to be there: May 03 00:11:19 ..I can't update the wiki (network problems somewhere), so I just put the notice in my blog. May 03 00:11:27 ...I hope someone notices :-). Good night. May 03 00:12:03 i'm reading :) May 03 00:12:05 good n8 May 03 00:12:40 (hh.c is a bitch, you need to compile it twice, and it is really mess, but it should be a starting point. And those "len20" packets really look interesting. May 03 00:47:14 anyone know gtk? May 03 00:49:49 gimp tool kit May 03 00:49:53 I WIN!! May 03 00:50:48 * pjz eyes MacNorth warily May 03 00:51:48 a sound decision May 03 01:01:13 * Hopscotch blinks May 03 01:18:28 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Minimo]] [[Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xephyr]] May 03 02:19:19 silly question: are you sure GPS module is on before trying to communicate with it? May 03 02:19:49 that might be a problem May 03 02:19:51 umm.. I guess its off by default and you need to turn it on, just checking ;-) May 03 02:20:32 harald (or somebody else) pointed to right kernel source in some mailing list IIRC May 03 02:21:33 sorry, it was werner: "arch/arm/common/gta01_pm_gps.c should take care of powering it up." May 03 02:21:42 right now it's 4:20am here and my mailserver has burned down :| May 03 02:22:03 ouch May 03 02:22:11 and the man next to me is working on his diploma thesis May 03 02:22:22 which is due in four and a half hours May 03 02:23:09 thi is meltdown day May 03 02:34:29 mailer works again May 03 02:34:47 cyrus is both heaven and hell May 03 02:44:13 openmoko: 03andrew * r1898 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/ (usb-linux-gadget.c vl.c vl.h): Monitor commands to handle the USB gadget functionality, various gadgetfs usage fixes. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu May 03 02:59:56 2007