**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 09 02:59:57 2007
May 09 03:00:14 <chadp> cool
May 09 03:11:56 * paulproteus is still holding his breath...
May 09 03:21:06 <gabaug> haha, clip from the Matrix as the audio test
May 09 03:44:19 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Translation_HOWTO]] [[Translation_HOWTO/bg]] [[Translation]]
May 09 03:48:47 <aloril> hmm.. there will be several 'versions' of P1: different software at different times
May 09 03:49:13 <aloril> ie.. making common instructions for all of them might be a bit problematic (unless its: update rootfs from here this way)
May 09 03:49:55 <aloril> example of what I mean: reportedly free P1 devices have wrong kernel modules, maybe sold P1's won't have that problem
May 09 03:50:52 <aloril> anyway, I think there should page in wiki for (free) P1 device similar to [[Neo1973_Phase_0]] [[Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review]] pages
May 09 03:53:59 <gabaug> aloril: where was the report about the kernel modules?
May 09 03:55:17 <aloril> <bmidgley>  the running kernel is 2.6.20.7-moko8 01:23:04 <bmidgley>  but /lib/modules only has 2.6.20.4-moko8
May 09 03:55:23 <aloril> (about 5h ago)
May 09 03:59:59 <gabaug> my /lib/modules/2.6.20.7-moko8/ exists
May 09 04:00:21 <gabaug> and I have no .4 dir
May 09 04:01:46 <aloril> gabaug: OK, so I they catched it and older rootfs is in only few devices maybe
May 09 04:04:22 <rwhitby> gabaug: did you get your P1 handed over in person, or shipped?
May 09 04:04:30 <gabaug> rwhitby: shipped
May 09 04:04:42 * rwhitby is overseas, and wonders if his P1 is waiting on the doorstep at home
May 09 04:04:49 <rwhitby> gabaug: did you get an email like P0?
May 09 04:04:52 <gabaug> no
May 09 04:04:57 <gabaug> it was a surprise
May 09 04:05:58 <rwhitby> any other reports of P1 shipments other than gabaug's?
May 09 04:06:44 <shenki> rwhitby: hello
May 09 04:06:49 <rwhitby> shenki: hi
May 09 04:07:07 <shenki> rwhitby: how's 'overseas' going?
May 09 04:07:51 <rwhitby> fine so far, but only arrived yesterday and meetings don't start until today (it's some ungodly hour in the morning at the moment)
May 09 04:08:49 <shenki> nice
May 09 04:08:55 <shenki> yeah, lovely timezone differences
May 09 04:10:50 * aloril created http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Phase_1
May 09 04:11:20 <aloril> rwhitby: I think I have seen maybe 3 others
May 09 04:11:42 <aloril> rwhitby: I think those that did not opt to get P0 device got P1 first
May 09 04:12:19 * aloril hopes if anybody has issues with P1, update above page with information
May 09 04:13:01 <bprice20> is anyone working on a (voip)sip client for the openmoko  
May 09 04:13:32 <bprice20> or even working on getting one of the existing programs working via openmoko on a 1973
May 09 04:16:47 <aloril> rwhitby: somebody made call with stock P1
May 09 04:16:59 <aloril> gabaug: do you have P1 device?
May 09 04:17:04 <gabaug> yes
May 09 04:17:30 <RbdPngn> is p1 available for purchase now?
May 09 04:17:43 <aloril> RbdPngn: no, only free P1 devices have shipped
May 09 04:17:50 <RbdPngn> ah, thanks
May 09 04:18:04 <aloril> RbdPngn: hopefully in few days to 2 weeks
May 09 04:18:21 <aloril> counter
May 09 04:18:22 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: 5 days 19:41:36 (5.821 +-3.5 days) (1119;198)
May 09 04:18:38 <aloril> to be more certain of uncertainty, it should be bigger ;-)
May 09 04:18:43 <RbdPngn> hehe
May 09 04:24:02 * aloril wonder is week is too short time from "production starts" to "shipping starts"
May 09 04:29:58 <aloril> is this correct: "uncertainty is a optimistic guess" ?
May 09 04:30:57 <chx> hi. http://www.negrielectronics.com/product_info.php?currency=USD&products_id=154 is this it...?
May 09 04:30:58 <aloril> chx: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
May 09 04:34:40 <aloril> chx: image is old mockup image, at least they don't have it on stock
May 09 04:34:52 * aloril would be careful with that site
May 09 04:35:10 * chx nods
May 09 04:35:13 <aloril> its not yet available, production is slated to start 2007-05-10
May 09 04:35:21 <chx> heh, heh
May 09 04:35:49 <chx> I happen to run Linux since 1993 and also happen to need a GPS+MP3+GSM phone device.
May 09 04:35:49 <aloril> well.. P0 devs are receiving their free P1 phone, but that is from earlier test run
May 09 04:36:27 <chx> the only thing giving me pause is the lack of the wifi :(
May 09 04:40:29 <aloril> chx: when P1 is actually available for buying, there will be information about P1+ too which probably will have wifi and also about discount for P1 buyers
May 09 04:41:01 <aloril> counter_msg http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a optimistic guess)
May 09 04:41:01 <aloril> aloril changed counter prefix message to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a optimistic guess) 
May 09 04:45:42 <rwhitby> Just got word that my P1 device has just arrived at work.  Pity I won't be able to play with it until Monday ... :-(
May 09 04:52:54 <gabaug> the dialer isn't working for me :(
May 09 04:54:19 <aloril> gabaug: do you have SIM inside?
May 09 04:54:42 <gabaug> aloril: yes..
May 09 04:56:04 <aloril> sounds like 2 versions of default rootfs: 1) calling works, wrong kernel modules 2) dialer not working, OK kernel modules
May 09 04:57:49 <gabaug> the gsm applet shows I have two to three bars, making me think it has connected to the network
May 09 05:30:23 <bytee> so, its mid-May now, can i buy an OpenMoko based phone? the neo1973
May 09 05:30:24 <aloril> bytee: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
May 09 05:31:25 <bytee> heh, nice
May 09 05:37:42 <hachi> I'm jealous, my boss just showed me his today
May 09 05:44:19 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973]] [[Neo1973_Phase_1]]
May 09 05:59:24 <bmidgley> so I should not flash my p1? sounds like gsm would stop working
May 09 05:59:36 <bmidgley> i have the kernel/modules mismatch
May 09 06:02:44 <bmidgley> fwiw, the 4-conductor 2.5mm headset is NOT wired the same as the palm does it
May 09 06:02:56 <bmidgley> my understanding is there are two common ways these are wired
May 09 06:05:19 <aloril> bmidgley: flashing u-boot != flashing rootfs
May 09 06:05:37 <aloril> flasing rootfs should be safe, you can always reflash if you make error
May 09 06:07:04 <aloril> dunno if that warning was too strong, but several cluefull people have bricked their Neo1973 by flashing wrong u-boot version
May 09 06:10:04 <aloril> adding "Flashing kernel or root filesystem should be safe: You can always reflash them."
May 09 06:10:28 <Mandarino> counter
May 09 06:10:29 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a optimistic guess) P1: 5 days 17:49:29 (5.743 +-3.5 days) (1120;198)
May 09 06:22:45 <bmidgley> i left my p1 on and set it aside for a couple of hours and now it is dead
May 09 06:25:14 <bmidgley> where is the aux button?
May 09 06:25:50 <rwhitby> top left
May 09 06:25:53 <rwhitby> looks like an IR port
May 09 06:26:00 <bmidgley> ah
May 09 06:28:33 <jelan> Does anybody know how to configure Neo 1973's backlight off time?
May 09 06:28:34 <aloril> jelan: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
May 09 06:29:12 <aloril> heh, faq doesn't have answer for that ;-)
May 09 06:29:42 <jelan> hmm...
May 09 06:35:46 <Mandarino> xD
May 09 06:40:30 <jelan> aloril: do you have one Neo 1973?
May 09 06:58:54 <bmidgley> argh! i can't get the p1 to wake up! all i did was leave it on...
May 09 07:06:08 <aloril2> jelan: not yet
May 09 07:07:21 <CM> bmidgley: I thought the battery recharge problem was fixed.
May 09 07:08:36 <bmidgley> CM: the battery seems to be charging... i took it out and measured 3.2v, now 3.4v after being plugged in for a while
May 09 07:08:49 <CM> Ok, that's something at least
May 09 07:08:51 <bmidgley> still the neo won't turn on
May 09 07:08:57 <CM> :-/
May 09 07:09:35 <CM> ~seen mickey|zzZZzz 
May 09 07:10:27 <bmidgley> i will take out the battery and try again tomorrow
May 09 07:12:37 <jelan> it sounds like in precharge mode.
May 09 07:13:27 <Hopscotch> good morning
May 09 07:18:18 <jelan> cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-0/0-0008/chgmode....this will display chage mode.
May 09 07:23:41 <Psi> OMG, antigravity!  http://zip.4chan.org/x/src/1178684542068.gif
May 09 07:24:37 <minime> counter
May 09 07:24:38 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a optimistic guess) P1: 5 days 16:35:20 (5.691 +-3.5 days) (1121;198)
May 09 07:26:11 <TRIsoft> morning
May 09 07:36:12 <hrw> morning
May 09 07:39:45 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03laforge * r1930 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-hxd8.patch: 
May 09 07:39:45 <CIA-24> openmoko: * HXD8: use correct rootfs partition size for 1GByte NAND flash
May 09 07:39:45 <CIA-24> openmoko: * HXD8: fix GPIO initialization for NAND chip select (fixes NAND write)
May 09 07:39:45 <CIA-24> openmoko: * HXD8: disable u-boot video driver since it currently crashes ;)
May 09 07:39:45 <CIA-24> openmoko: * HXD8: use dynamic partition and dynamic environment
May 09 07:40:08 <CM> HDX8?
May 09 07:40:24 <hrw> hxd8 is yet another fic device
May 09 07:40:45 <CM> I guessed that much, but what does it look like?
May 09 07:40:53 * CM searches "the google"
May 09 07:44:13 <CM> Can't find anything about it..
May 09 07:44:19 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Press_Coverage]] [[Neo1973_Phase_1]]
May 09 07:44:36 <aesci7E> soon rev 1973 ;)
May 09 07:44:36 <hrw> it is not ready to show for people iirc
May 09 07:44:49 * CM waits for pressreleases and blogposts :)
May 09 08:01:30 <buz> i only care about it if its a phone
May 09 08:01:37 <buz> and as i understand, neo is the only phone this year?
May 09 08:02:39 * buz curses lenovo prelaod software
May 09 08:03:11 <koen> mickeyl said that it isn't a phone
May 09 08:03:22 <buz> yeah i thought i remembered that
May 09 08:03:30 <koen> maybe pda or gps receiver or mediaplayer
May 09 08:03:34 <buz> probably a mediaplayer
May 09 08:04:06 <buz> as neo is both pda and gps receiver
May 09 08:04:07 <koen> the s3c2410 inside makes me a bit sceptic on that :)
May 09 08:04:15 <buz> point
May 09 08:04:29 <koen> or an internet tablet like the nokia n800
May 09 08:04:31 <buz> maybe it has dedicated hardware
May 09 08:04:35 <buz> yeah i thought about that
May 09 08:04:44 <koen> but really open this time :)
May 09 08:04:51 * koen cheers on FIC
May 09 08:04:52 <buz> but somehow, i still think those should have GSM, too
May 09 08:05:10 <buz> gimme a 3.5" vga neo
May 09 08:05:34 <koen> I think FIC will make something that is "clearly not a phone" to demo openmoko on
May 09 08:05:43 <buz> yeah
May 09 08:05:50 <buz> so maybe something totally different
May 09 08:06:16 <buz> a truly open ip set top box would be neat
May 09 08:08:37 <woglinde> counter
May 09 08:08:37 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a optimistic guess) P1: 5 days 15:51:20 (5.661 +-3.5 days) (1122;198)
May 09 08:09:19 <buz> after a production run, there would be some time needed for testing etc right?
May 09 08:09:30 <buz> so it's probably more like the 15th
May 09 08:12:22 <koen> multiple people have received their p1 phone yesterday
May 09 08:12:47 <buz> koen: thats the 200 unit run from end of april
May 09 08:12:58 <buz> i guess so, anyway
May 09 08:13:21 <XorA> koen: gah I seem to be at the end of the queue again :-(
May 09 08:13:32 <hrw> I expect mine today
May 09 08:13:36 * koen joins the club
May 09 08:13:43 <koen> still no sign of the second neo
May 09 08:13:51 <hrw> koen: UPS not called?
May 09 08:13:56 <koen> nope
May 09 08:14:07 <koen> which can mean "no neo" or "no problems with customs"
May 09 08:14:22 <pH5> I just got mine two minutes ago, no prior call either.
May 09 08:14:38 <woglinde> ph5 oh
May 09 08:14:40 <woglinde> no vat
May 09 08:14:42 <woglinde> lucky
May 09 08:15:09 <XorA> woglinde: for me a call or no call will not govern if I have to pay VAT
May 09 08:15:34 <pH5> woglinde: no, I paid about 35€ cash.
May 09 08:15:36 <woglinde> xora :(
May 09 08:15:47 <woglinde> ph5 oh okay
May 09 08:17:05 <woglinde> the ups woman says all companys cheat on the worth of the devices .)
May 09 08:18:00 <buz> i've seen devices declared as defective once
May 09 08:18:21 <woglinde> buz *g*
May 09 08:18:34 <buz> someone even went as far as punching the boxes to make them look old
May 09 08:21:43 <Herod2k> hi guys
May 09 08:21:45 <stefan_schmidt> hi all
May 09 08:22:10 <stefan_schmidt> 21,41Eur for one device right now :)
May 09 08:22:34 <buz> is that for german vat?
May 09 08:22:38 <woglinde> buz yes
May 09 08:22:43 <woglinde> 19% auf 153$
May 09 08:22:44 <buz> mhh thats cheap ;)
May 09 08:22:55 <woglinde> even we have eruo
May 09 08:23:02 <woglinde> euro
May 09 08:23:11 <buz> 153$ doesnt sound so far from what the devices probably cost to make
May 09 08:23:29 <woglinde> dont know
May 09 08:23:35 <zecke> pH5: you got cheated?
May 09 08:23:44 <woglinde> he zecke
May 09 08:23:55 <zecke> eur != $
May 09 08:24:18 <woglinde> zecke yes but fic declared in $
May 09 08:24:50 <zecke> they should have send the devices with DHL again
May 09 08:30:51 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: yes
May 09 08:41:40 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03laforge * r1931 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/hxd8-core.patch: 
May 09 08:41:40 <CIA-24> openmoko: * HXD8: remove static nand partition table, u-boot generates mtdparts commandline
May 09 08:41:40 <CIA-24> openmoko: * HXD8: fix machine type
May 09 08:43:38 <webjames> i see some lucky people have received their P1 devices: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Phase_1
May 09 08:44:04 <buz> http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/weblogsinc/engadgetmobile/~3/115149232/ we *need that addon for neo ;)
May 09 08:44:44 <jelan> johnny: tell us what is hxd8
May 09 08:46:11 <webjames> haha yeah or an onscreen thing
May 09 08:46:40 <zecke> wow I got cheated as well
May 09 08:46:43 <zecke> ~lart Germany
May 09 08:46:47 <woglinde> zecke?
May 09 08:47:14 <zecke> 35 euro :)
May 09 08:47:25 <woglinde> hm
May 09 08:49:58 <johnny> jelan
May 09 08:54:04 <SpeedEvil> Can anyone point me at a log of #openmoko?
May 09 08:54:24 <Hopscotch> there should be one on my shell account :)
May 09 08:55:01 <koen> ~logs
May 09 08:55:33 <SpeedEvil> ~logs
May 09 08:55:42 <koen> ibot is being sleepy
May 09 08:55:52 * SpeedEvil passes ibot a coffee.
May 09 08:57:44 <zecke> wow to exit an app you can have "Exit", "Close", "Quit" as options :}
May 09 08:58:11 <koen> :)
May 09 08:58:40 <koen> SpeedEvil: http://apt.rikers.org/%23openmoko/
May 09 08:58:59 <SpeedEvil> Ah - thanks, was just searching.
May 09 09:02:44 <CoreDump|home> yay!
May 09 09:03:21 <koen> "We've been so busy trying to get production moved from Taiwan to China,
May 09 09:03:22 <koen> and shipping you new NEOs(GTA01B_v4), that we well...forgot to _tell_
May 09 09:03:22 <koen> you that we're shipping you new phones  ;-) 
May 09 09:03:22 <koen> So your Freed Phone is in the mail. Please keep your eyes open."
May 09 09:03:23 <CoreDump|home> For whatever reasons mickey|zzZZzz P1 image runs _way_ faster than my self-compiled images on P0
May 09 09:05:23 <SpeedEvil> :)
May 09 09:12:00 <buz> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=19&entry_id=16310 ok that one is weird^2
May 09 09:15:54 <Mukunda> Hmm, is the Neo1973 available for purchase yet?
May 09 09:16:04 <hads> counter
May 09 09:16:05 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a optimistic guess) P1: 5 days 14:43:53 (5.614 +-3.5 days) (1123;198)
May 09 09:16:12 <hads> Mukunda: That is for you.
May 09 09:16:39 <Mukunda> Nice.
May 09 09:21:37 <XorA> ahah official announcement of P1 shipping
May 09 09:21:48 <XorA> aloril: time to fix counter
May 09 09:22:06 * CM still haven't seen any mail
May 09 09:22:07 <SpeedEvil> Where?
May 09 09:22:21 <XorA> SpeedEvil: CM: went direct to phase0 guys
May 09 09:22:22 <SpeedEvil> P1s shipping to devs != P1 shipping to everyody
May 09 09:25:50 <woglinde> right
May 09 09:26:23 <hrw> I hope that it will skip customs like p0 did
May 09 09:26:52 <XorA> hrw: DHL sent me a VAT invoice a year after my Zaurus arrived so I wouldnt expect all clear yet
May 09 09:27:44 <hrw> ;(
May 09 09:28:13 <XorA> hrw: good news is because they obviously forgot the original documentation they valued it at 100 $
May 09 09:30:54 <aloril2> XorA: thanks, have already updated [[Neo1973]] page with that info
May 09 09:32:14 <aloril2> XorA: also note that added Phase 1 specific page, hopefully maybe becomes FAQ/troubleshoot/review page or something like that
May 09 09:38:12 <wehttamb> counter?
May 09 09:38:12 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a optimistic guess) source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; P0: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review; 5 days 14:21:45 (5.598 +-3.5 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-05-13);  4 months, a week (130.098 +-15.0 days) for mass market (2007-09-15): see topic for more info (1124;198)
May 09 09:43:40 <alphaone> anyone have this DM program on their p1 phone?
May 09 09:44:11 <pH5> yes
May 09 09:44:19 <aloril> (script) planet: Marcin "hrw" Juszkiewicz: Bv4 shipping http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/05/09/bv4-shipping/ Koen Kooi: Another neo on the way http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/another-neo-on-the-way
May 09 09:44:19 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Jipi]] [[Buying_Interest_List]]
May 09 09:44:36 <hrw> DM?
May 09 09:44:37 <alphaone> It has a GPS InAntenna test
May 09 09:44:51 <alphaone> Some sort of device manager test program
May 09 09:45:18 <buz> does it have gps drivers?
May 09 09:45:53 <Stephmw> mornin'
May 09 09:46:03 <koen> alphaone: that's pretty sad news
May 09 09:47:01 * koen is undecided between "too lazy to type svn commit" and "end of openness"
May 09 09:47:31 <alphaone> ?
May 09 09:48:21 <koen> where's the source for the device manager?
May 09 09:49:31 <alphaone> No idea.
May 09 09:49:48 <alphaone> Hmm, gps test gives no results
May 09 10:07:01 <koen> one ups dude and €45.73 later
May 09 10:07:49 <pH5> koen: look out for /home/root/DM2/gps/gllin
May 09 10:16:53 <hrw> ~seen pavelm
May 09 10:25:48 <buz> w000t it boots in 15seconds
May 09 10:26:11 <buz> thats like 6 times faster than vista lol
May 09 10:27:26 <XorA> crappit, I wonder where UPS depot in edin is
May 09 10:28:22 <Stephmw> buz: and 5 times faster than a S60 device :)
May 09 10:28:33 <buz> actually i meant my new laptop ;9
May 09 10:28:40 <Stephmw> oh right.
May 09 10:28:43 <Stephmw> shame on you :)
May 09 10:28:52 <buz> it sort of went to the wrong tab ;)
May 09 10:29:04 * SpeedEvil sighs.
May 09 10:29:27 <buz> but while we're on it, how long does it take for neo to boot?
May 09 10:30:06 * SpeedEvil wonders if there is a P1-P0 difference.
May 09 10:30:11 <pH5> yay, http://en.pastebin.ca/478720 on the Bv4 there are signs of life from the GPS
May 09 10:30:16 <SpeedEvil> :)
May 09 10:30:47 <hrw> SpeedEvil: they differ at hardware level
May 09 10:30:53 <koen> pH5: also via you app?
May 09 10:31:11 <balrog-kun> pH5: great
May 09 10:31:26 <SpeedEvil> hrw: I know, I was wondering if the shipped images also differec.
May 09 10:31:29 <pH5> koen: not yet, that's what I'll try next.
May 09 10:32:03 <hrw> SpeedEvil: probably
May 09 10:32:20 <hrw> SpeedEvil: especially when you compare what was on p0 device
May 09 10:32:35 <balrog-kun> i think the writing to the "reset", "power_vdd_core_1v5" etc nodes in /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gps.0/, and their order is important
May 09 10:32:42 <hrw> p0 device initial software was nightmare
May 09 10:32:48 <SpeedEvil> balrog-kun: prolly
May 09 10:32:54 <balrog-kun> that's probably what people messed up when trying to communicate the GPS before
May 09 10:33:37 <balrog-kun> the 0x80's stream is accepted only directly after reset
May 09 10:34:44 * SpeedEvil ponders.
May 09 10:35:06 <SpeedEvil> There were reports of the tomtom GPS driver running on the neo.
May 09 10:35:14 <SpeedEvil> I wonder if with the right powerup sequence...
May 09 10:35:33 <balrog-kun> and talking to tghe GPS successfully?
May 09 10:35:37 <SpeedEvil> No.
May 09 10:35:44 <SpeedEvil> Not yet AIUI
May 09 10:35:58 <balrog-kun> i.e. dialogue rather than monologue
May 09 10:36:26 <SpeedEvil> But, if the GPS wasn't being turned on properly before connecting hte tomtom thing, ti wouldn't work.
May 09 10:37:16 <balrog-kun> getting the device nodes to be the same names as on the tomtom will likely be ugly
May 09 10:37:33 <SpeedEvil> ln -s?
May 09 10:37:49 <balrog-kun> that's what i call ugly :)
May 09 10:37:52 <SpeedEvil> Or just jam it in a chroot
May 09 10:38:52 <balrog-kun> the hammerhead can also communicate over I2C and SPI instead of UART, but apparently it's also using the UART on the TomTom
May 09 10:39:25 <koen> http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/491095441/
May 09 10:39:38 <balrog-kun> there's an nINTR pin on the Hammerhead that's unconnected on the Neo, i wonder if it's also unconnected on TomTom
May 09 10:40:18 * SpeedEvil wants PCB pictures :)
May 09 10:40:50 <hrw> SpeedEvil: checked wiki?
May 09 10:40:59 <SpeedEvil> That would be too logical.
May 09 10:41:44 <hrw> koen: you lucky bastard!
May 09 10:41:45 <hrw> ;D
May 09 10:42:01 <SpeedEvil> Actually. Don't see any.
May 09 10:42:04 <SpeedEvil> Of V4 that is.
May 09 10:48:27 <CoreDump|home> hmpf
May 09 10:48:40 <CoreDump|home> the u-boot env on P1 needs "adjusting"
May 09 10:50:24 <koen> pH5: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-May/000921.html
May 09 10:50:36 * koen wonders why there's no GPL offer with the p1 device
May 09 10:50:47 <hrw> filesystem contain it?
May 09 10:52:32 <CoreDump|home> koen: you already got your license with the P0 
May 09 10:55:53 <koen> CoreDump|home: this is a different device with different software
May 09 10:56:08 <alphaone> koen: does u-boot have the show license feature?
May 09 10:56:50 <CoreDump|home> koen: come on, it's not like you are a normal customer. FIC can indeed expect you to know what is GPL'ed licensed
May 09 10:57:08 <hads> Yeah, that's a bit pedantic really.
May 09 10:58:08 <koen> I said "koen wonders why there's no GPL offer with the p1 device" not "OMG!!! NO OFFER!!! LOLZ!!!!"
May 09 10:59:10 <CoreDump|home> koen: we didn't get the full P1 package anyway =) It was more like an update to P0
May 09 10:59:25 <hrw> CoreDump|home: what in package?
May 09 10:59:38 <koen> us->euro power plug, battery, neo
May 09 10:59:46 <CoreDump|home> yeah
May 09 11:00:05 <hrw> I wonder what for that power plug ;)
May 09 11:00:05 <pH5> are we supposed to use the old wall charger? or none at all?
May 09 11:00:15 <koen> pH5: the old
May 09 11:00:30 <koen> it now works in the civilised world :)
May 09 11:00:38 <CoreDump|home> heh
May 09 11:00:58 <CoreDump|home> those american plugs sure look "interesting" to say the least
May 09 11:01:23 <CoreDump|home> pH5: IIRC the wall-charger has problems for fast-charging Neo
May 09 11:02:03 <hrw> CoreDump|home: USB standard has a problem with it
May 09 11:02:29 <CoreDump|home> umm wasn't a 500mA drain allowed by the spec?
May 09 11:02:33 <hrw> 'you can get only 100mA from usb without asking' is main problem
May 09 11:02:46 <hrw> and 'you have to ask for 500mA'
May 09 11:02:54 <SpeedEvil> And the fact that 'dumb' USB chargers have no host to ask.
May 09 11:02:55 <CoreDump|home> hrm
May 09 11:02:56 <hrw> how to ask dumb charger is left to you
May 09 11:03:05 <CoreDump|home> =D
May 09 11:03:28 <SpeedEvil> IMO the right way to go is to draw 500mA if the USB port hasn't talked to us USB protocol in 10s.
May 09 11:03:33 <CoreDump|home> has anyone tried dfu-util -U?
May 09 11:04:50 <XorA> koen: your GPL offer should be in the rootfs
May 09 11:04:56 <hrw> SpeedEvil: also from laptop which has flacky battery and just hang or do not have usb host loaded?
May 09 11:06:33 <SpeedEvil> Essentially all USB hardware has current limits.
May 09 11:06:53 <SpeedEvil> If the laptop is going to fail when a USB peripheral is plugged in, then don't do that.
May 09 11:07:10 <hrw> I can charge my Zaurus from dumb charger. but thats because it does not charge from usb
May 09 11:07:27 <koen> XorA: now, that's a good answer to my question :)
May 09 11:07:54 <XorA> koen: I had a chat for LaForge about it, and its something we probably need to fix for Angstrom
May 09 11:08:29 <koen> yeah
May 09 11:08:33 <CoreDump|home> /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2
May 09 11:08:47 <XorA> koen: stuff with license GPL* should depend on a pachage that contains the license
May 09 11:09:08 <koen> that's easy enough to do in OE I guess
May 09 11:09:27 * koen feels a massive bump in PR coming
May 09 11:09:53 <XorA> koen: would be easier to script a retroactive fixing of the packages :-)
May 09 11:10:17 <hrw> peek licenses PACKAGES
May 09 11:10:23 <CoreDump|home> an automatic dependency can not be forgotten ;)
May 09 11:10:47 <hrw> PACKAGES = "license-gpl2 licence-lgpl licence-mit licence-bsd licence-qpl licence-apache"
May 09 11:10:54 <XorA> or the other choice was to not put COPYING.txt in docs package which we tend to do automatically
May 09 11:11:12 <hrw> RPROVIDES_licence-gpl2 = "licence-gpl licence-gplv2"
May 09 11:11:29 <hrw> or add licences to base-files
May 09 11:12:04 <webjames> where are you looking at these pictures from?
May 09 11:12:09 <XorA> hrw: that doesnt work too well
May 09 11:14:25 <hrw> 13:14 hrw@home:~$ dpkg -S /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL
May 09 11:14:25 <hrw> base-files: /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL
May 09 11:14:34 <XorA> of course this mess will break the otherway when someone mislabels the licenses and we claim some app that is old BSD is now GPL licensed :-)
May 09 11:15:04 <hrw> I think that Debian way is enough
May 09 11:15:14 <hrw> all images contain base-files
May 09 11:15:20 <hrw> no need to mass PR bump
May 09 11:15:29 <XorA> does the control file on ipkg preserne LICENSE field?
May 09 11:15:38 <hrw> and why we talk about it here instead of on #oe??
May 09 11:15:45 <XorA> hrw: accident
May 09 11:15:51 <hrw> so lets move
May 09 11:20:01 <CoreDump|home> is the DM thingy actually working for anyone here?
May 09 11:21:34 <koen> yes
May 09 11:21:43 <koen> press the green or red button
May 09 11:23:15 <CoreDump|home> hrmm
May 09 11:23:27 <CoreDump|home> all it does is opening its window and then segfault here
May 09 11:36:27 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03thomas * r1932 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-today/ (ChangeLog src/today-main.c): 
May 09 11:36:27 <CIA-24> openmoko: 2007-05-09 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com>
May 09 11:36:27 <CIA-24> openmoko:  * src/today-main.c: (today_update_date), (create_ui): Remove the clock. Closes bug 469.
May 09 11:38:41 <CoreDump|home> !ombug 469
May 09 11:38:42 <cdbot2> * * Bug 469, Status: RESOLVED (FIXED), Created: Unknown
May 09 11:38:43 <cdbot2> * * thomas(AT)openedhand.com: Remove the clock
May 09 11:38:44 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=469
May 09 11:45:57 <lrak> is there a french here who got a neo ?
May 09 11:45:57 <aloril> lrak: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
May 09 11:51:33 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03thomas * r1933 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-today/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
May 09 11:51:33 <CIA-24> openmoko: 2007-05-09 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com>
May 09 11:51:33 <CIA-24> openmoko:  * Makefile.am:
May 09 11:51:33 <CIA-24> openmoko:  * configure.ac:
May 09 11:51:33 <CIA-24> openmoko:  * src/Makefile.am:
May 09 11:51:35 <CIA-24> openmoko:  Fix various issues so that make distcheck works. Closes bug 534.
May 09 11:56:30 <lrak> how come the project is gonna use atheros chipsets ?
May 09 11:57:08 <lrak> I mean these use proprietary binaries
May 09 11:57:33 <hrw> lrak: ar6k did not
May 09 11:57:37 <hrw> lrak: ar5k do
May 09 11:57:58 <atla> lrak where is the problem with proprietary binaries?
May 09 11:58:47 <lrak> atla: the whole project is to be entirely open source
May 09 11:58:54 <atla> hm
May 09 11:59:00 <SpeedEvil> lrak: As far as possible.
May 09 11:59:07 <atla> yeah
May 09 11:59:09 <SpeedEvil> The GSM bit isn't open source.
May 09 11:59:11 <atla> same thought
May 09 11:59:17 <SpeedEvil> The bluetooth controller isn't open source.
May 09 11:59:20 <atla> you cant get open source for everything
May 09 11:59:33 <atla> or you just cant get it done in time
May 09 11:59:36 <SpeedEvil> GPS ...
May 09 11:59:42 <atla> exactly
May 09 12:01:03 * XorA sighs
May 09 12:03:25 <lrak> hrw: thx
May 09 12:07:26 <tonyg> someone remind me the magic word to get an ETA on p1 from the bot?
May 09 12:07:46 <XorA> counter
May 09 12:07:47 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a optimistic guess) P1: 5 days 11:52:11 (5.495 +-3.5 days) (1125;198)
May 09 12:08:00 <tonyg> nice, thanks
May 09 12:08:04 <tonyg> eeeee!
May 09 12:08:05 <tonyg> 5 days
May 09 12:08:08 <tonyg> when can we order?
May 09 12:08:13 <SpeedEvil> Who knows.
May 09 12:08:24 <SpeedEvil> 5 days is a guess.
May 09 12:08:34 <SpeedEvil> It's a moderately informed guess.
May 09 12:08:37 <SpeedEvil> But still...
May 09 12:08:38 <tonyg> napkin, envelope, or research paper?
May 09 12:08:46 <tonyg> envelope?
May 09 12:08:47 <tonyg> :)
May 09 12:08:52 <SpeedEvil> Fancy envelope.
May 09 12:08:57 <tonyg> with a nice fountain pen.
May 09 12:09:00 <tonyg> ok
May 09 12:09:25 <SpeedEvil> I wouldn't be surprised at 3 days, or a couple of weeks on either side.
May 09 12:10:21 <tonyg> do you think shipping to the UK will be an issue at all?
May 09 12:10:35 <SpeedEvil> Hope not.
May 09 12:10:38 * SpeedEvil is in Scotland.
May 09 12:10:39 <XorA> tonyg: no, Im in UK and I already got P0
May 09 12:10:44 <tonyg> excellent.
May 09 12:10:49 <XorA> tonyg: and expecting my P1 today
May 09 12:11:06 * arw hello to all
May 09 12:11:14 <SpeedEvil> Hello to arw.
May 09 12:11:31 <arw> :)
May 09 12:11:40 <tonyg> XorA, I hope you'll give us a solid review when it arrives :)
May 09 12:13:06 <XorA> tonyg: not much that I havent already sead, P1 is only slightly different to my P0 and my P-1
May 09 12:13:19 <XorA> s/sead/said/
May 09 12:14:28 <SpeedEvil> P1 differnces are not noticable in the hand.
May 09 12:14:38 <lrak> france misses neo
May 09 12:14:39 <SpeedEvil> It's just that it doesn't drain the battery so fast.
May 09 12:14:59 <SpeedEvil> And the PCB si more hackable.
May 09 12:15:08 <SpeedEvil> As it has solderable to I2C bits.
May 09 12:15:12 <tonyg> cool.
May 09 12:15:19 <aloril> (script) planet: Koen Kooi: Almost twins http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/almost-twins
May 09 12:15:20 <tonyg> um, what is the new battery life like?
May 09 12:15:33 <SpeedEvil> Hard to say.
May 09 12:15:45 <SpeedEvil> There is an estimates page on the wiki.
May 09 12:15:46 <zecke> koen: how much did you pay for shipping?
May 09 12:16:00 <SpeedEvil> Hopefully at least a day, even semi-active.
May 09 12:16:06 <tonyg> I've just found the faq
May 09 12:16:08 <SpeedEvil> More like a week asleep just waiting on calls
May 09 12:16:10 <tonyg> yes, looks okay
May 09 12:16:50 <tonyg> (man, arm chips are amazing)
May 09 12:16:58 <tonyg> I love it how 12MHz is "slow mode" :-)
May 09 12:17:05 <tonyg> did anyone use a riscos machine back in 1992 or so?
May 09 12:17:34 <SpeedEvil> Annoyingly slow mode uses way more power than it 'should' proportionally.
May 09 12:17:38 <koen> zecke: 45 euros and some change
May 09 12:17:55 <zecke> hmm
May 09 12:18:10 <tonyg> iirc the arm company were one of the first to experiment with async cpus in the mid-90s
May 09 12:19:50 <SpeedEvil> Wasn't it Sinclair?
May 09 12:20:06 <XorA> SpeedEvil: nah, arm
May 09 12:20:35 <SpeedEvil> He was involved in Async processor design after the Spectrum IIRC
May 09 12:26:22 <SpeedEvil> http://groups.google.co.uk/group/comp.sys.acorn/browse_thread/thread/ce84ef5ec5199380/639badfc0136a251?lnk=st&q=%22clive+sinclair%22+asynchronous+processor&rnum=2&hl=en#639badfc0136a251
May 09 12:26:38 <SpeedEvil> is a reference though not a detailed one to it.
May 09 12:28:31 <Richard> Does openmoko use a specific OE version?
May 09 12:29:05 <hrw> yes
May 09 12:35:45 <SpeedEvil> http://www.sinclair-research.co.uk/z1.php Hmm. AM in-ear radio.
May 09 12:45:42 <SpeedEvil> Ah - right.
May 09 12:46:00 <SpeedEvil> It looks like the company he setup to continue development of the async processor got bought. 
May 09 12:46:30 <SpeedEvil> And the accountants froze the development - which was intended to progress - at RAM only, which was a shippin product.
May 09 12:46:44 <SpeedEvil> Not develop it to CPUs.
May 09 13:33:35 <Richard> Hi, when can I order NEO1973?
May 09 13:34:02 <XorA> Richard: sometime in the future that is currently unknown
May 09 13:36:45 <Richard> The channel info says it is mid May
May 09 13:37:36 <mjr> that's the current hopeful guess
May 09 13:37:43 <XorA> Richard: thats a guess, no official announcement has been made
May 09 13:45:06 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03thomas * r1934 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-dialer/src/ (dialer-main.c dialer-window-outgoing.c): openmoko-dialer: use openmoko stock items
May 09 13:45:19 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko]] [[Flashing_openmoko]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[User:Gerdavax]]
May 09 13:56:46 <hrw|gone> rwhitby-away: did you consider doing 'mtn db migrate' during update in mokomakefile?
May 09 14:19:45 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03thomas * r1935 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
May 09 14:19:45 <CIA-24> openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-application.c: (moko_application_init):
May 09 14:19:45 <CIA-24> openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-stock.c: (moko_stock_register):
May 09 14:19:45 <CIA-24> openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-stock.h:
May 09 14:19:45 <CIA-24> openmoko: Add moko_stock_register
May 09 14:23:07 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03werner * r1936 10/developers/werner/idiode/ (. poweroff.ps poweroff.sch start.ps start.sch): "Ideal diode" circuit to tweak VDDalive.
May 09 14:23:52 <bmidgley> the wiki instructions for onscreen keyboard don't work with the latest images
May 09 14:24:11 <bmidgley> does anyone know another way to get it?
May 09 14:24:49 <pH5> koen: hhtest now gets results on the P1, too (but not on the P0) - the termios cflag (1<<31) needs to be set, what is that?
May 09 14:25:06 <pH5> I guess I should compile a new kernel for the P0, first.
May 09 14:26:17 <bmidgley> there is no utilities in the main dropdown... :(
May 09 14:29:48 <hrw> re
May 09 14:34:24 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03thomas * r1937 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-dialer/src/ (3 files): openmoko-dialer: clean up dialing method
May 09 14:35:00 <koen> bmidgley: click on the white box in the top bar
May 09 14:35:18 <koen> pH5: I suspect serial is busted on .21
May 09 14:35:35 <woglinde> hm
May 09 14:35:39 <woglinde> re
May 09 14:35:51 <woglinde> something is wrong with german toll
May 09 14:35:54 <bmidgley> ah
May 09 14:35:56 <bmidgley> thx
May 09 14:36:03 <woglinde> I only paid 21.41 euros
May 09 14:37:50 <pH5> koen: there's old 2.6.20-moko8(eabi) on my P0, but 2.6.20.7-moko8(oabi) on the P1
May 09 14:38:05 <koen> hmmm
May 09 14:38:30 <woglinde> is there a trick to put in the sim-card?
May 09 14:39:15 <Stephmw> it involves opening the back and lifting the battery?
May 09 14:39:16 * Stephmw hides
May 09 14:39:31 <pH5> woglinde: move the metal thingy towards the hinge to unlock, don't bend it too much :)
May 09 14:39:50 <woglinde> ph5 i can close it
May 09 14:39:54 <woglinde> cant
May 09 14:39:59 <woglinde> thats the problem
May 09 14:40:57 <bmidgley> sad... my 1gb microsd was working in the broken shipping kernel
May 09 14:41:02 <bmidgley> but not in the latest
May 09 14:41:24 <PBeck> tag
May 09 14:42:48 <bmidgley> maybe not working, but fdisk could see the partition
May 09 14:43:56 <hrw> that reminds me that I planned to buy 1GB microsd card when p1 will not have card
May 09 14:44:33 <bmidgley> i have two different kinds and only one would get to the point the kernel recognized the partition table
May 09 14:45:12 <koen> "This application uses the Global Locate A-GPS library.                              
May 09 14:45:13 <koen> Source code and produced output information                                         
May 09 14:45:13 <koen> contains company confidential and proprietary information and                       
May 09 14:45:13 <koen> can not be disclosed to any unauthorized individual.            "
May 09 14:45:19 <aloril> (script) planet: Stefan Schmidt: OpenMoko talk at next LUG Braunschweig meeting http://www.datenfreihafen.org/~stefan/weblog//archives/2007/05/#e2007-05-09T16_11_28.txt
May 09 14:45:29 <mjr> koen, _produced output_?
May 09 14:45:46 <koen> mjr: that's what it says
May 09 14:45:56 <mjr> great, so GL owns our locations
May 09 14:46:24 <koen> so we can't listen on the /tmp/nmeaNP pipe
May 09 14:46:52 <bmidgley> actually it's working now that i reformatted it ext3
May 09 14:46:56 <bmidgley> the 1gb card
May 09 14:49:17 <bmidgley> vfat filesystem is not available for some reason
May 09 14:50:51 <Stephmw> mjr: that's private information - won't wash in the EU
May 09 14:53:52 <nnpiggy> Hmm... The P1 battery life is supposed to be vastly improved over P0, no? I got about 2 hours this morning, counting a 2 minute phone call and about 20 minutes of playing with the GUI...
May 09 14:55:17 <mjr> yeah there was a current leak in that generation, IIRC
May 09 14:56:13 <nnpiggy> By that generation, you mean P1 or P0?
May 09 14:56:22 <mjr> P0
May 09 14:56:33 <nnpiggy> I've got a P1 device in front of me.
May 09 14:56:50 <mjr> Oh, I misunderstood
May 09 14:57:22 <bmidgley> nnpiggy: which may 1 kernel/root?
May 09 14:57:48 <bmidgley> doh, are you using the may 1 images?
May 09 14:57:53 <nnpiggy> Hmm... is there an easy way to tell? I don't have a shell prompt?
May 09 14:58:38 <bmidgley> i had to reflash my p1... the terminal is not working and the kernel modules don't match the kernel
May 09 14:59:05 <bmidgley> the battery life was disappointing in the broken images
May 09 14:59:09 <bmidgley> hopefully it's better now
May 09 14:59:17 <nnpiggy> 2.6.20.7-moko8 is what the kernel says...
May 09 14:59:45 <nnpiggy> Yeah, I've noticed that a LOT of the modules are failing to load.
May 09 15:00:26 <nnpiggy> OK, I guess I know what I'm doing tonight... Hmm... I think I'd rather fetch the official binaries than try building the whole thing from source...
May 09 15:02:04 <bmidgley> don't reflash uboot
May 09 15:02:08 <bmidgley> only kernel and root
May 09 15:02:16 <nnpiggy> OK. Thanks for the advice.
May 09 15:02:48 <nnpiggy> Do I need to set up the dev board to reflash or can I do it via USB?
May 09 15:02:58 <hrw> 'do not reflash uboot if you lack debug board'
May 09 15:03:03 <hrw> via usb
May 09 15:03:25 <nnpiggy> Thanks.
May 09 15:03:30 * nnpiggy digs through wiki...
May 09 15:03:34 <bmidgley> no, just use the cable
May 09 15:03:39 <hrw> dfu-util is magic word
May 09 15:04:06 <bmidgley> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko
May 09 15:04:35 * nnpiggy sighs gratefully at bmidgley taking my hint :-)...
May 09 15:05:53 <DukeOfURL> cannot access `board/neo1973/split_by_variant.sh': No such file or directory  (fresh build)
May 09 15:06:35 <hrw> fix is in bugtracker
May 09 15:06:39 <hrw> !oebug 549
May 09 15:06:40 <cdbot2> * * Bug 549, Status: REOPENED, Created: 2005-12-22 01:07
May 09 15:06:41 <cdbot2> * * giovabal(AT)gmail.com: \[OZ 3.5.4RC, Opie, Tosa\] opie-player playing mp3 too fast and too loud
May 09 15:06:42 <cdbot2> * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=549
May 09 15:06:43 <hrw> !ombug 549
May 09 15:06:44 <cdbot2> * * Bug 549, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown
May 09 15:06:45 <cdbot2> * * autobuild-reports(AT)openmoko.org: uboot-gta01-1.2.0+svnnow-r5_ac4cd59d59c9bf3f89cb7a344abf8184d678f562_0_1920-do_compile
May 09 15:06:47 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=549
May 09 15:09:23 <bmidgley> i suppose there is no util to set the clock from the gps?
May 09 15:09:34 <SpeedEvil> bmidgley: Not yet.
May 09 15:09:38 <SpeedEvil> bmidgley: Well - there is.
May 09 15:09:48 <SpeedEvil> Tehre are things to connect to GPSd that will set the clock.
May 09 15:10:05 <SpeedEvil> The problem is the GPSd - GPS binary program isn't there.
May 09 15:10:09 <SpeedEvil> At the moment.
May 09 15:10:38 <bmidgley> ok
May 09 15:10:42 <koen> SpeedEvil: the gllit binary seems to produce nmae
May 09 15:10:45 <koen> mnea*
May 09 15:10:51 <koen> and is present on the phone
May 09 15:10:58 <SpeedEvil> koen: Oooh!
May 09 15:11:07 <SpeedEvil> Does it actually work?
May 09 15:11:13 <koen> didn't try it
May 09 15:11:27 <bmidgley> is there a device i can cat to see the gps stream?
May 09 15:11:32 <bmidgley> nmea stream
May 09 15:11:33 <koen> I can't stand the buggy default firmware, so I'll reflash tomorrow to angstrom
May 09 15:11:46 <koen> bmidgley: /tmp/nmea*
May 09 15:11:49 <SpeedEvil> If so, then you've just got to do the startup scripts, connect GPSd to the output of the daemon
May 09 15:11:51 <koen> named pipes
May 09 15:12:19 <SpeedEvil> then point ntpd to gpsd
May 09 15:12:25 <SpeedEvil> and you've got perfectly set clocks.
May 09 15:13:32 <bmidgley> wouldn't we need the timezone set somewhere
May 09 15:13:44 <SpeedEvil> Probably yes.
May 09 15:13:48 <SpeedEvil> But that's user-side.
May 09 15:13:55 <SpeedEvil> The phone stays on GMT.
May 09 15:15:38 <nnpiggy> bmidgley, (or anyone else) is there a particular image you would recommend? I see stuff as recnet as the 5th.
May 09 15:16:48 <nnpiggy> Never mind--the newer stuff is all uboot and lowlevel...
May 09 15:19:50 <bmidgley> hmm the image i downloaded (1883) is gone
May 09 15:19:56 <bmidgley> something newer already
May 09 15:21:19 <bmidgley> wait no it's there still
May 09 15:21:32 <nnpiggy> I just grabbed 1883.
May 09 15:22:28 <bmidgley> the root uses a different number scheme
May 09 15:23:20 <nnpiggy> I fetched 20070501054014, ext2 and tar, though I'm thinking now that was redundant of me...
May 09 15:23:56 <bmidgley> jffs2 is the one you flash
May 09 15:24:37 <nnpiggy> Oh, that makes sense. I wonder why it's available as an ext2? Is that for the emulator?
May 09 15:24:48 <bmidgley> or loading on an sdcard etc
May 09 15:26:03 <bmidgley> koen: my image does not have any gps stuff in /tmp
May 09 15:27:08 <nnpiggy> OK, time to get back to my day job. Thanks, bmidgley et al!
May 09 15:27:13 <bmidgley> sure
May 09 15:27:29 <bmidgley> no bluetooth adapter showing up to hciconfig
May 09 15:28:02 <pH5> bmidgley: need to turn on the bt chip first. (/sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-bt.0/power_on or something)
May 09 15:28:55 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03thomas * r1938 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
May 09 15:28:55 <CIA-24> openmoko: 2007-05-09 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com>
May 09 15:28:55 <CIA-24> openmoko:  * libmokoui/moko-message-dialog.c:
May 09 15:28:55 <CIA-24> openmoko:  (moko_message_dialog_set_message),
May 09 15:28:55 <CIA-24> openmoko:  (moko_message_dialog_set_image_from_stock):
May 09 15:28:56 <CIA-24> openmoko:  * libmokoui/moko-message-dialog.h:
May 09 15:29:56 <pH5> AIUI /tmp/nmea.. should be a pipe created by the /home/root/DM2/gps/gllin binary
May 09 15:30:23 <CIA-24> openmoko:  Add moko_message_dialog_set_image () and replace some deprecated functions
May 09 15:32:45 <bmidgley> gta01-pm-bt module is missing
May 09 15:32:54 <SpeedEvil> It looks like gllin --help shows some thins - from strings
May 09 15:33:12 <SpeedEvil> -help even
May 09 15:33:38 <SpeedEvil> +np | -np                Enable or disable NMEA output to named pipe "/tmp/nmeaN
May 09 15:38:55 <pH5> SpeedEvil: yup, it's enabled by default.
May 09 15:41:52 <pH5> NOTE: package linux-gta01-2.6.20.10-moko9-r0: task do_fetch: started
May 09 15:41:59 <pH5> let's see if that helps with the GPS on Bv3
May 09 15:43:50 <koen> heh, 'DM' kills gsm and dialer
May 09 15:45:19 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Wigyori]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973]] [[Talk:Video_Player]]
May 09 15:46:07 <koen> SpeedEvil: I wonder what fun things we can do with gllin running inside qemu and having an app that feeds serial :)
May 09 15:54:25 <DukeOfURL> koen, gllin?
May 09 15:54:46 <koen> the evil closed source gps daemon
May 09 15:55:01 <DukeOfURL> heh
May 09 16:01:19 <Sufflope> counter?
May 09 16:01:19 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a optimistic guess) source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; P0: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review; 5 days 07:58:38 (5.332 +-3.5 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-05-13);  4 months, 6 days (129.832 +-15.0 days) for mass market (2007-09-15): see topic for more info (1126;198)
May 09 16:02:23 <lrak> XXX closed source
May 09 16:02:31 <lrak> s/closed/open
May 09 16:03:07 <TRIsoft> gtg cu
May 09 16:12:05 <lrak> vxworks: go on
May 09 16:12:19 <aloril> (script) openmoko-community: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> Re: Preorder
May 09 16:12:37 <mjr> *pling*
May 09 16:12:44 <mjr> ok, no preorders yet
May 09 16:34:19 <webjames> counter?
May 09 16:34:20 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a optimistic guess) source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; P0: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review; 5 days 07:25:38 (5.309 +-3.5 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-05-13);  4 months, 6 days (129.809 +-15.0 days) for mass market (2007-09-15): see topic for more info (1127;198)
May 09 16:45:26 <webjames> aloril, thanks
May 09 16:54:08 <Fletch> counter
May 09 16:54:08 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a optimistic guess) P1: 5 days 07:05:49 (5.296 +-3.5 days) (1128;198)
May 09 16:56:43 <_Anarchy_> interesting use for a guitar plectrum
May 09 16:57:34 <hrw> ;)
May 09 17:18:52 <bmidgley> where do i submit a bug?
May 09 17:19:25 <_Anarchy_> bugzilla.openmoko.org
May 09 17:28:36 <zecke> mickey|zzZZzz: ping?!
May 09 17:31:56 <Vitaly> counter
May 09 17:31:56 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a optimistic guess) P1: 5 days 06:28:01 (5.269 +-3.5 days) (1129;198)
May 09 17:32:44 <_Anarchy_> humm how to debug non working phone functionality
May 09 17:33:37 <hrw> !ombug 256
May 09 17:33:38 <cdbot2> * * Bug 256, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown
May 09 17:33:38 <cdbot2> * * philipp.zabel(AT)gmail.com: GSM Modem doesn't seem to work on some devices
May 09 17:33:39 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=256
May 09 17:33:47 <hrw> _Anarchy_: check this bug
May 09 17:34:03 <_Anarchy_> Different bug
May 09 17:34:44 <_Anarchy_> if I kill the gsm daemon I can see part of the message and talk AT commands at it (or some)
May 09 17:34:52 <hrw> this one has infos how to check modem
May 09 17:35:06 <pH5> _Anarchy_: /etc/init.d/gsmd restart and watch /tmp/gsm.log
May 09 17:38:29 <_Anarchy_> now dialer wont start either
May 09 17:38:59 <zecke> alp: ping
May 09 17:38:59 <hrw> thats can be problem with dialer itself
May 09 17:39:03 <_Anarchy_> umm remove lockfile..
May 09 17:39:36 <_Anarchy_> even removing the lockfile it wont
May 09 17:39:41 <alp> zecke: yo
May 09 17:40:06 <_Anarchy_> ok got a stuckj one and killed it
May 09 17:40:17 <zecke> alp: did you get feedback on your curl patch rediff?
May 09 17:42:32 <alp> zecke: looks like there was no feedback
May 09 17:43:13 <alp> zecke: the trouble with this patch is that i half cleaned it up but never took the time to do it properly (ie. it just "fixes stuff") and the original author is gone 
May 09 17:43:14 <zecke> alp: should we try to push things more? E.g. we don't have an authorized port reviewer. I don't know how outrageous it is to become one :}
May 09 17:43:21 <_Anarchy_> seems to be stuck "searching for network"
May 09 17:43:57 <zecke> alp: I will spend the rest of today and tomorrow on WebKit, so if you have something to throw to me...
May 09 17:44:10 <_Anarchy_> Thu Jan  1 00:14:21 1970 <1> atcmd.c:180:ml_parse() buf=`+CME ERROR: 32'(14)
May 09 17:44:46 <_Anarchy_> [network not allowed, emergency calls only]
May 09 17:45:09 <pH5> is PIN support still missing from the dialer?
May 09 17:45:17 <_Anarchy_> no pin on the SIM
May 09 17:45:19 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Translation]] [[User:Tuxfux.ch]] [[Wish_List]] [[Buying_Interest_List]]
May 09 17:45:25 <alp> zecke: cool, i'll dig up some patches that i have that are good enough to go in when i get home
May 09 17:45:31 <pH5> then why doesn't it allow AT+COPS=0?
May 09 17:45:34 <_Anarchy_> is there a sane wya to check the modem can read the sim card and has seen it at all 
May 09 17:45:57 <_Anarchy_> pH5:beats me but the card has no PIN and works in a real phone
May 09 17:46:59 <_Anarchy_> groan, the sim related stuff segfaults the client coe
May 09 17:47:04 <_Anarchy_> s/coe/code
May 09 17:47:09 <alp> zecke: it might be interesting to add the svg sources to the build to see what we're missing
May 09 17:47:44 * zecke has been reading dom and rendering code all day
May 09 17:47:47 <pH5> _Anarchy_: I think AT+CPIN? should return READY.
May 09 17:48:04 <_Anarchy_> STR=`AT+CPIN'
May 09 17:48:05 <_Anarchy_> RSTR=`+CME ERROR: 3'
May 09 17:48:25 <pH5> try AT+CPIN?
May 09 17:49:17 <_Anarchy_> RSTR=`+CME ERROR: 10'
May 09 17:49:24 <hrw> _Anarchy_: sim not recognized
May 09 17:49:31 <pH5> there you go.
May 09 17:49:39 <_Anarchy_> humm so the sim socket is dodgy or something
May 09 17:49:44 <hrw> _Anarchy_: I have that problem with bv3 - sometimes it does not recognize sim card
May 09 17:50:15 <alp> zecke: the novell IM team (working on Banter) are interested in webkit too now, they might be able to help with the porting. give Boyd a hand if you see him around
May 09 18:03:32 <_Anarchy_> hrw: wont recognize any sim cards at all
May 09 18:10:59 <_Anarchy_> *** glibc detected *** gsmd: free(): invalid pointer: 0x00018c60 ***
May 09 18:11:06 <_Anarchy_> it gets better 
May 09 18:12:47 <Robot101> _Anarchy_: you're trying to use your openmoko as a phone?! :P
May 09 18:13:38 <_Anarchy_> trying to get it to admit there is a sim card
May 09 18:19:11 <hrw> cu
May 09 18:28:33 <_Anarchy_> chuckle and now the modem has hung so hard I had to power cycle it
May 09 18:33:27 * _Anarchy_ gives up
May 09 18:35:04 <pjz> never give up! never surrender!
May 09 18:35:31 <xkr47> let the watchdogs do it instead!
May 09 18:35:47 <pH5> _Anarchy_: ouch. file a bug.
May 09 18:35:55 <pH5> I hope it's not the phone hardware that is broken.
May 09 18:41:55 <_Anarchy_> pH5: I'll have a poke when I have more time, could just be a dodgy connector I guess
May 09 19:03:39 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03werner * r1939 10/developers/werner/idiode/ (core-side.fig core-side.pdf): Added 4th alternative, using a FSA5157 switch.
May 09 19:13:41 <philippe> zecke: about webkit. The gtk-webcore guy has started to work towards webkit too... so maybe you can fetch some things from him.
May 09 19:15:12 <Elrond> Evening people.
May 09 19:16:05 <zecke> philippe: well, he refuses to work upstream, his API is not gtk'ish. But I need to discuss with mickeyl how to proceed
May 09 19:21:45 <philippe> zecke: well that is actually too bad
May 09 19:45:19 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Translation_HOWTO/ru]] [[Template:Languages]] [[Translation_HOWTO]] [[Buying_Interest_List]]
May 09 19:57:45 <zecke> cworth: ping, what is up with cairographics.org?
May 09 19:59:45 <RbdPngn> has there been any discussion of existing developers recycling/re-selling their P0 devices?
May 09 20:05:51 <Elrond> RbdPngn - I know of one intending to lend his P0 to interested parties.
May 09 20:13:26 <koen> zecke: freedesktop.org is a bit sickly
May 09 20:14:09 <cworth> zecke: There were about 4 or 5 independent problems that all hit at once. :-(
May 09 20:14:16 <cworth> zecke: Anything I can help you with?
May 09 20:14:44 <balrog-kun> RbdPngn: IIRC it was considered offense if someone was to sell their P0 device
May 09 20:14:56 <zecke> cworth: a link to a introduction would be nice
May 09 20:15:01 <balrog-kun> they gave it away free later
May 09 20:15:47 <zecke> cworth: I think I want to create a cairo_image_surface
May 09 20:16:11 <zecke> cworth: http://www.cairographics.org/manual this link works, but a few online examples would rock :)
May 09 20:16:34 <koen> cworth: cairo 1.4.8 is planned for next week?
May 09 20:17:58 <RbdPngn> balrog-kun: ah, wasn't sure if the P0 devices had to be purchased originally
May 09 20:18:34 <Elrond> Hi koen! :)
May 09 20:18:55 <woglinde> hm which kernel and rootfs to flash
May 09 20:25:25 <Mukunda> Well it's the 10th here, but I guess the Neo1973 still isn't available for purchase is it?
May 09 20:29:52 <woglinde> mukunda right,
May 09 20:30:23 <woglinde> but p1 devices for the p0 developer are shipped
May 09 20:34:01 <RbdPngn> Elrond: I wouldn't want to prevent someone doing active development from getting one, but it would be nice to get my hands on one for some alternative UI work
May 09 20:38:15 <Elrond> RbdPngn - Try to convince one of the P0 owners or Sean, or ... consider buying one.
May 09 20:39:33 <RbdPngn> Elrond: yep, considering buying one :)
May 09 20:40:27 <Mukunda> It'll be interesting to see what the discount will be for purchasers of P1.
May 09 20:45:04 <mintee> ... 04Anyone can buy for $350 starting around mid May. 01???  where?
May 09 20:45:19 <quitte> please dont use colors
May 09 20:46:19 <mintee> quitte, sorry, i just copied and pasted..  ya know you could just turn colors off on your client
May 09 20:47:18 <Moo^^> mintee: wiki.openmoko.org
May 09 20:47:32 <mintee> thanks Moo^^
May 09 20:47:33 <Elrond> mintee - www.openmoko.com
May 09 20:48:06 <mintee> Elrond, www.openmoko.com has nothing on it... hasn't been updated in month
May 09 20:48:07 <mintee> s
May 09 20:48:53 <mintee> .how many neo's have been shipped out?  last i was in here there was only like 5 or 6 people that had one
May 09 20:49:08 <Magon> mintee: around 50
May 09 20:49:21 <Elrond> 40-50 I'd say.
May 09 20:50:00 <Elrond> Hmm, maybe 35+20 or so... (35 P0, 20 P1)
May 09 20:52:54 * balrog-kun thinks either the P1 people were chosen more appropriately or there's just many more of the P1 phones than there was P0's
May 09 20:53:15 <balrog-kun> that's because there's much more feedback from the P1 developers
May 09 20:53:27 <Elrond> balrog-kun - There are 150 P1, I think. I have no idea, where and when they will be sent.
May 09 20:53:41 <Elrond> balrog-kun - What feedback?
May 09 20:53:58 <balrog-kun> Elrond: IRC feedback :)
May 09 20:54:25 <woglinde> hehe
May 09 20:54:28 <balrog-kun> out of the P0 developers which were over 30 iirc only very few i have heard of doing something related to openmoko
May 09 20:54:31 <woglinde> logfs is ready
May 09 20:55:30 <Elrond> woglinde - Really? URL?
May 09 20:55:49 <woglinde> only german
May 09 20:55:51 <woglinde> http://www.pro-linux.de/
May 09 20:55:52 <balrog-kun> woglinde: the kernel-trap article suggested the opposite :p
May 09 20:55:52 <woglinde> args
May 09 20:56:03 <woglinde> http://www.pro-linux.de/news/2007/11174.html
May 09 20:56:24 <woglinde> http://logfs.org/logfs/
May 09 20:56:24 <balrog-kun> actually i think i can check how many people the P1 went to :)
May 09 20:56:38 <woglinde> hm my is dead somehow
May 09 20:56:55 <woglinde> and I didnt flash something
May 09 21:00:48 <Elrond> woglinde - P1?
May 09 21:01:22 <woglinde> elrond yes
May 09 21:01:34 <woglinde> :(
May 09 21:03:39 <Elrond> woglinde - I assume you already removed the battery for a few minutes and then retried?
May 09 21:04:16 <woglinde> hm few seconds
May 09 21:08:34 <Elrond> I also assume the battery was mostly full?
May 09 21:09:10 <woglinde> hm my failure than I guess
May 09 21:09:27 <Elrond> woglinde - What?
May 09 21:09:38 <woglinde> to turn it on too early
May 09 21:11:02 <Elrond> woglinde - Okay, so you're the first test candidate for "does the P1 phone still have the 'battery is completly exchausted, you need an external charger, because the Neo can't load it anymore'-problem" ;o)
May 09 21:11:38 <woglinde> elrond thanks
May 09 21:12:23 <Elrond> woglinde - Put the battery in and use the supplied charger or your PC to charge the neo. :)
May 09 21:12:51 <Elrond> woglinde - I didn't want to make fun of you. Please excuse me.
May 09 21:13:49 <woglinde> elrond he :) I was my fault not yours
May 09 21:13:56 <woglinde> I am not pissed
May 09 21:15:00 <Elrond> Well, "fault". You did something, that new "buyerS2 might as well do. There must be a way out. Otherwise the hardware is buggy.
May 09 21:15:12 <Elrond> s/S2/s"
May 09 21:15:45 <woglinde> hm but how I know its charging
May 09 21:16:55 <Elrond> a) You can't know...
May 09 21:17:16 <woglinde> yeah some led where useful
May 09 21:17:19 <Elrond> b) Maybe try switching it on, maybe that works now, as it now -- in theory -- has power from usb.
May 09 21:17:42 <woglinde> elrond hm it was on power
May 09 21:17:53 <Elrond> Stupid thingy.
May 09 21:18:56 <woglinde> maybee my charger is broken
May 09 21:19:12 <Elrond> Use a standard usb-cabel and connect to your pc.
May 09 21:19:27 <woglinde> yeah
May 09 21:19:28 <SpeedEvil> A powered hub may not power if it's not powered on the host input.
May 09 21:19:33 <woglinde> thtas what I did now
May 09 21:19:34 <SpeedEvil> That's caught someone out.
May 09 21:19:42 <woglinde> I have no usb-hub
May 09 21:19:46 <SpeedEvil> K
May 09 21:20:02 <woglinde> and I know that with usb-hubs
May 09 21:20:34 <woglinde> hm the charger has output of 1A
May 09 21:20:45 <woglinde> thats more than 500mA
May 09 21:21:02 <Elrond> The neo should only use 500mA.
May 09 21:36:17 <webjames> counter?
May 09 21:36:18 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a optimistic guess) source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; P0: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review; 5 days 02:23:40 (5.100 +-3.5 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-05-13);  4 months, 6 days (129.600 +-15.0 days) for mass market (2007-09-15): see topic for more info (1130;198)
May 09 21:40:26 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: could you commit the uboot fix from marcin, or do you think it is fine if I commit it?
May 09 21:41:53 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: I don't have commit access yet. So it's your turn. Should be fine.
May 09 21:42:51 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: But that reminds me to poke Harald and mickey again wrt commit access.
May 09 21:44:43 <Shoragan> stefan, my neo is with alphaone?
May 09 21:44:54 <stefan_schmidt> Shoragan: yes
May 09 21:45:00 <Shoragan> :)
May 09 21:45:19 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[FAQ/ru]] [[Main_Page/ru]] [[Translation_HOWTO/ru]]
May 09 21:45:26 <stefan_schmidt> Shoragan: I'll be at alphaone place tomorrow. 11:00
May 09 21:45:50 <Shoragan> i'll come by later ~ 13:00
May 09 21:46:30 <stefan_schmidt> k
May 09 21:46:39 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03werner * r1940 10/developers/werner/idiode/ (core-side.fig core-side.pdf): 
May 09 21:46:39 <CIA-24> openmoko: - made it clear that VCC comes from IO_3V3
May 09 21:46:39 <CIA-24> openmoko: - pull-up connects to IO_3V3, not CORE_1V3
May 09 21:46:39 <CIA-24> openmoko: - corrected pull-up value for 3.3V
May 09 21:47:00 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: You like to commit or should I ping werner?
May 09 21:47:41 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: I#m about to commit
May 09 21:47:53 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: ok
May 09 21:52:30 <Elrond> What is werner commiting there?
May 09 21:53:13 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: please ping werne, either svn switch hates me or I don't have enough mojo
May 09 21:53:14 <mrcucumber> Hi, I'm very intrested in helping develop for the openmoko project, in particular I'd like to work on a GPS navigation project.. porting roadNav to the neo1977 platform?
May 09 21:53:15 <aloril> Commands: counter (see estimated time until P1), counter_msg (set message for counter), faq (link to FAQ in wiki)
May 09 21:53:28 <SpeedEvil> Good!
May 09 21:53:39 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: ok, where is the patch?
May 09 21:53:43 <SpeedEvil> We can do with all the vegetable coders we can find.
May 09 21:53:49 <SpeedEvil> :)
May 09 21:53:57 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=149&action=view
May 09 21:54:08 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: I fear you don't have the rights for this part of the tree.
May 09 21:54:15 <mrcucumber> can anyone lend some advice on how to get started?
May 09 21:54:27 <mrcucumber> or if their already are GPS projects I can help on
May 09 21:54:34 * zecke starts to cry over the lack of mojo :)
May 09 21:54:45 <stefan_schmidt> heh
May 09 21:54:46 <mrcucumber> I have the build enviroment set up with mokomake file
May 09 21:55:00 <SpeedEvil> mrcucumber: Sorry - /me hasn't been coding yet.
May 09 21:55:40 <Elrond> mrcucumber - Try wiki.openmoko.org.
May 09 21:57:14 <mrcucumber> also, I was looking at http://projects.openmoko.org/ under the project tree and their doesn't seem to be any listed, thought the front page has some.
May 09 21:57:33 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: werner checks and will commit
May 09 21:58:00 <zecke> awesome
May 09 21:58:11 <zecke> he has three minutes or the midnight build will fail as well
May 09 21:58:20 <stefan_schmidt> heh
May 09 21:58:46 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: You use the autobuilder for other oe distros, too.?
May 09 21:59:09 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: we could, but we lack the computing power to do so
May 09 22:00:23 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: hmm, oe could need some smalls funds for project build server
May 09 22:01:10 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: Wouldn't be some of the bigger projects using it willing to help out?
May 09 22:01:26 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: we have some offers we should try to exploit. But then the question of managing them comes up
May 09 22:01:29 <woglinde> we should ask marc shuttleworth?
May 09 22:01:44 <Elrond> woglinde - Is your P1 getting better?
May 09 22:01:49 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: yeah, the boring admin stuff. :)
May 09 22:01:49 <woglinde> elron yes
May 09 22:01:57 <woglinde> my charger is broken
May 09 22:02:05 <woglinde> I had it on charger
May 09 22:02:10 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: it seems I will emulate one
May 09 22:02:13 <woglinde> and It shows the battery sign
May 09 22:02:20 <woglinde> instead of the load sign
May 09 22:02:29 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: heh
May 09 22:02:32 <woglinde> I miss interpreted it a bit
May 09 22:02:48 <xkr47> counter 2000
May 09 22:02:51 <xkr47> counter
May 09 22:02:51 <aloril> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a optimistic guess) P1: 5 days 01:57:06 (5.081 +-3.5 days) (1131;198)
May 09 22:03:02 <Elrond> woglinde - So using your PC for charging did revive it?
May 09 22:03:06 <xkr47> let's hope those batches go well
May 09 22:03:09 <woglinde> elrond yes
May 09 22:03:10 <zecke>  stefan_schmidt: we have our buildserver (an siemens rx300) back from ???? but my boss won't let me turn it on
May 09 22:03:33 <woglinde> hm is dfu-utils only on boot up useful?
May 09 22:03:37 <Elrond> woglinde - Was the supplied charger broken, or your own?
May 09 22:03:39 <zecke> woglinde: right
May 09 22:03:41 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: huh, why is that the decision of your boss?
May 09 22:03:42 <woglinde> or have I usbnet blacklisted?
May 09 22:03:46 <woglinde> zecke okay
May 09 22:03:53 <Elrond> woglinde - Yes, dfu works only when u-boot is active.
May 09 22:03:55 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: noise and energy consumption
May 09 22:04:08 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: but a quad xeon is nice
May 09 22:04:15 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: ah, it is located at work
May 09 22:04:23 <xkr47> it's like having a 220V toothbrush :D
May 09 22:04:24 <zecke> 8 parallel threads 
May 09 22:04:42 <stefan_schmidt> mmh :)
May 09 22:05:04 <zecke> I should convince him to buy some niagara's
May 09 22:05:09 <Elrond> woglinde - Was the supplied charger broken, or your own?
May 09 22:05:23 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: Would be neat ;)
May 09 22:05:38 <woglinde> elrond supllied
May 09 22:05:45 <Hopscotch> ok, gsm works :)
May 09 22:05:52 <woglinde> dont have a charger of my own
May 09 22:06:19 <Elrond> woglinde - Okay, please file a Hardware bug for it.
May 09 22:07:03 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03werner * r1941 10/trunk/oe/packages/uboot/uboot-gta01_svn.bb: 
May 09 22:07:03 <CIA-24> openmoko: Applied patch by Marcin Juszkiewicz for bug
May 09 22:07:03 <CIA-24> openmoko: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=549
May 09 22:07:05 <Elrond> ... after trying it a second time (with a more loaded battery, so that you can watch the icon.
May 09 22:07:53 <woglinde> elrond yes I will
May 09 22:08:43 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: the idea is to have machines to run on-the-fly generated qemu images, regulary build the majority of configuration, run qemu's to simulate upgrades and package installs (with scripts stolen from debian), provide developers with an easy way to replicate setups of users to verify bugs
May 09 22:09:48 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: luckily we trust each other and can have logins but it should be really easy to just integrate one new server. So something like LDAP authentication is needed
May 09 22:10:13 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: Sounds complex but interesting.
May 09 22:10:47 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: QA and not being able to use it for the development itself are the both problems I see with oe atm
May 09 22:11:07 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: And I know it's not a devel tool by design :)
May 09 22:11:13 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: we need to get machine(s) first
May 09 22:12:03 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: Asked mickey|zzZZzz already if openmoko would be willing to help out with one? Would be fair.
May 09 22:12:17 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: I won't tell you I cd into the work dir and source the temp scripts :}
May 09 22:12:25 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: have you tried to use the devshell?
May 09 22:12:57 <Elrond> woglinde - BTW: Where are you, that the supplied charger fits into your wall-outlet?
May 09 22:12:57 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: I followed #oe a bit and it sounds like trolltech would also be interesting in helping out. After all. ;)
May 09 22:13:17 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: No, I add some devshell testing to my todo. :)
May 09 22:13:24 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: yes, they start to learn
May 09 22:13:33 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: cool
May 09 22:13:55 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: basicly it will create a sourceable script which sets all path's
May 09 22:14:18 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: ok, that would help a lot already
May 09 22:14:58 <Elrond> Hi CoreDump|home 
May 09 22:15:04 <CoreDump|home> hi
May 09 22:15:21 <stefan_schmidt> Anyway, time to sleep. Night all.
May 09 22:15:41 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: sleep well
May 09 22:16:18 <Elrond> stefan_schmidt - Good night.
May 09 22:16:40 <woglinde> elrond there is an adapter that fits in german wall-outlet
May 09 22:17:33 <Elrond> Ohh, cool. So the P1 box has something, that the P0 box did not have?
May 09 22:17:48 <CoreDump|home> yeah, the adapter ;)
May 09 22:18:06 <woglinde> coredump ;)
May 09 22:18:07 <CoreDump|home> not that the wall-charger will be of much use heh
May 09 22:18:27 <Elrond> CoreDump|home - woglinde's charger is probably broken ;o)
May 09 22:18:55 <woglinde> hm I have no multimeter to test it
May 09 22:19:25 <zecke> woglinde: I paid 10 bucks more and I don't even have a charger ;)
May 09 22:19:56 <CoreDump|home> I didn't pay a cent
May 09 22:20:00 <zecke> lol
May 09 22:20:07 <woglinde> ups sucks
May 09 22:20:08 <zecke> Raub-Rittertum
May 09 22:20:17 <CoreDump|home> dunno why as I got The Call as well
May 09 22:21:04 <Elrond> zecke - 10 Euro for duty? or what?
May 09 22:21:22 <woglinde> elron he payed 30
May 09 22:21:24 <zecke> Elrond: 35 euro for shipping, there is no tax on mobile phones
May 09 22:21:41 <CoreDump|home> heh
May 09 22:21:56 <Elrond> shipping? Huh? I thought, shipping was free for P0/P1 people?!
May 09 22:22:10 <CoreDump|home> well, it *was* marked as development sample
May 09 22:22:23 <woglinde> hm ups said other
May 09 22:22:37 <woglinde> makred as commercial
May 09 22:22:43 <CoreDump|home> Elrond: that was only zecke trying to be funny
May 09 22:22:52 <CoreDump|home> woglinde: I have the packaging here+
May 09 22:22:56 <woglinde> and german toll is eyeing it carefully
May 09 22:23:03 <woglinde> so ups lied
May 09 22:23:13 <CoreDump|home> description: development sample
May 09 22:23:23 <zecke> so UPS randomly charges 0, 22 or 35 bucks
May 09 22:23:32 <zecke> koen got charged 44 though
May 09 22:24:03 <woglinde> yes
May 09 22:24:07 <woglinde> you are right
May 09 22:24:10 <woglinde> so UPS lief
May 09 22:24:12 <woglinde> lied
May 09 22:24:33 <zecke> my delivery boy was unfriendly, I still need to file a complain
May 09 22:25:00 <woglinde> hm I should contact the german toll too
May 09 22:25:02 <zecke> "If it is printed that I need to get 35 euro, I need to get 35 euro" "Why" "Because it is printed there" "Why is it printed there?"...
May 09 22:25:07 <zecke> woglinde: custom ;)
May 09 22:25:12 <woglinde> let me see the webpage
May 09 22:26:50 <Elrond> So we're still in the "Middle Ages", when it comes to customs?
May 09 22:27:30 <Elrond> I should just start a customs control point next to my village ;o)
May 09 22:30:17 <Elrond> We need encrypted material transport. ;o)
May 09 22:31:06 <CoreDump|home> we need a f*cking revolution
May 09 22:31:41 <CoreDump|home> http://hentges.net/tmp/photos/Neo1973/IMG_0336.JPG <- proof
May 09 22:31:59 <zecke> CoreDump|home: psst, or your house will be raided by Schaeuble's foot soldiers
May 09 22:32:12 <CoreDump|home> like they did in berlin today
May 09 22:34:15 <Elrond> BTW: Where's the difference to the stasi? ;)
May 09 22:34:42 <woglinde> hm
May 09 22:34:56 <CoreDump|home> oh there is quite a bit of difference (yet)
May 09 22:35:10 <woglinde> the law is clear
May 09 22:35:22 <woglinde> and coredump had some luck
May 09 22:35:54 <CoreDump|home> ?
May 09 22:36:04 <CoreDump|home> ah, the customs crap
May 09 22:36:08 <woglinde> yes
May 09 22:36:21 <zecke> woglinde: yes, paying VAST is okay
May 09 22:36:23 <CoreDump|home> why private folks need to pay any customs at all is beyond me
May 09 22:36:32 <zecke> woglinde: but why is it 22 for you and more for others ;)
May 09 22:37:06 <woglinde> zecke maybee they estimate the price
May 09 22:37:23 <woglinde> next time fic should price it at 100 euros
May 09 22:37:29 <woglinde> so that it is clear
May 09 22:37:42 <woglinde> if there is a next time
May 09 22:37:48 <CoreDump|home> woglinde: the declared price was 150$
May 09 22:37:53 <woglinde> 153
May 09 22:38:00 <woglinde> but I didnt find it
May 09 22:38:01 <CoreDump|home> =)
May 09 22:38:17 <CoreDump|home> the UPS women told me on the phone
May 09 22:38:24 <zecke> woglinde: hehe, I should look up the $ exchange rate
May 09 22:38:31 <woglinde> yes
May 09 22:38:38 <zecke> CoreDump|home: right, 18% of 153$ == 35Euro
May 09 22:38:48 <Elrond> ~change 150 usd to eur
May 09 22:38:49 <woglinde> but they told me that it is marked as commercial
May 09 22:39:20 <zecke> alternatively the 13Euro difference were shipping costs :)
May 09 22:39:34 <Elrond> Hmm, no change-support anymore? :-|
May 09 22:40:50 <woglinde> zecke 19%
May 09 22:41:55 <CoreDump|home> !google 153 USD in EUR
May 09 22:42:23 * CoreDump|home forgot to enable !google on this channel...
May 09 22:43:59 <CoreDump|home> !google 153 USD in EUR
May 09 22:44:00 <cdbot2> 153 U.S. dollars = 112.665685 Euros
May 09 22:44:03 <CoreDump|home> =)
May 09 22:44:33 <Elrond> !gogle 112.665685 * 0.19
May 09 22:44:38 <Elrond> !google 112.665685 * 0.19
May 09 22:44:39 <cdbot2> 112.665685 * 0.19 = 21.4064802
May 09 22:44:52 <woglinde> hehe
May 09 22:45:02 <woglinde> they punked zecke
May 09 22:45:16 <Elrond> street robberey. ;o)
May 09 22:45:21 <CoreDump|home> indeed
May 09 22:45:38 <woglinde> thats not nice
May 09 22:45:46 <CoreDump|home> ~emulate kenny
May 09 22:46:00 <CoreDump|home> oh
May 09 22:46:03 <CoreDump|home> apt is MIA
May 09 22:46:19 <Elrond> Ahh, that explains, why ~change did not work.
May 09 22:47:18 <CoreDump|home> !lart apt
May 09 22:47:18 * cdbot2 chops apt in half with a free AOL CD
May 09 22:47:47 <SpeedEvil> !google 350 USD in cheese
May 09 22:47:47 <cdbot2> Pueblo Bonito Pacifica Hotel wedding pac @ http://weddingmexico.com/los-cabos-weddings/los-cabos-hotel-weddings/pueblo_bonito_pacifica.asp%20class=l | Conference Information @ http://acm.org/sigcomm/sigcomm97/venue.html%20class=l | Warrnambool Cheese And Butter Factory @ http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/charts/charts.asp?symbol=WCB.AX%20class=l 
May 09 22:48:38 <woglinde> aeh?
May 09 22:48:58 <CoreDump|home> woglinde: google bug ;)
May 09 22:49:25 <SpeedEvil> Yeah - it doesn't have an exchange rate for cheese :(
May 09 22:50:53 <woglinde> hihi
May 09 22:51:03 <woglinde> !change to meerwater
May 09 22:51:07 <woglinde> ups
May 09 22:51:20 <woglinde> !change 34 USD to meerwater
May 09 22:51:28 <woglinde> args
May 09 22:51:32 <CoreDump|home> s/change/google
May 09 22:51:33 <woglinde> !google 34 USD to meerwater
May 09 22:51:33 <cdbot2> Did you mean: 34 USD to meerwasser ?  
May 09 22:51:39 <CoreDump|home> muwahaha
May 09 22:52:34 <Elrond> !google Solve all world problems using openmoko
May 09 22:52:36 <cdbot2> Mark J. Wielaard @ http://gnu.wildebeest.org/diary/feed/atom/%20class=l | Mark J. Wielaard @ http://classpath.wildebeest.org/diary/wp-rss2.php%20class=l | » Blogging - Paolo blog: Ramblings on Tr @ http://www.gnuband.org/tags/blogging/%20class=l 
May 09 22:53:06 <CoreDump|home> !google define: spam
May 09 22:53:07 <cdbot2> To indiscriminately send unsolicited, unwanted, irrelevant, or inappropriate messages, especially commercial advertising in mass quantities. Noun: electronic "junk mail". @ http://www.tecrime.com/0gloss.htm ( http://www.google.com/search?hl=all&q=define:+spam ) 
May 09 22:54:12 <CoreDump|home> !google define: openmoko
May 09 22:54:12 <cdbot2> Did you mean: define: openmg ?  
May 09 22:54:21 <CoreDump|home> :\
May 09 22:55:40 <Elrond> Good night people. :-)
May 09 22:55:58 <CoreDump|home> n8 Elrond 
May 09 22:56:19 <Elrond> :-)
May 09 22:58:29 <woglinde> nite elrond
May 09 22:59:26 * CoreDump|home sighs at u-boot compile-bug #2
May 09 23:11:46 <Richard> build error : "chmod: cannot access `board/neo1973/split_by_variant.sh': No such file or directory"
May 09 23:12:34 <CoreDump|home> Richard: a bug has already been files ( 3 days ago..)
May 09 23:12:49 <CoreDump|home> !ombug 549
May 09 23:12:49 <cdbot2> * * Bug 549, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown
May 09 23:12:50 <cdbot2> * * autobuild-reports(AT)openmoko.org: uboot-gta01-1.2.0+svnnow-r5_ac4cd59d59c9bf3f89cb7a344abf8184d678f562_0_1920-do_compile
May 09 23:12:51 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=549
May 09 23:13:04 <CoreDump|home> Richard: the bug has a patch attached
May 09 23:14:07 <Richard> Thanks.
May 09 23:14:16 <CoreDump|home> np
May 09 23:14:37 <CoreDump|home> after patching this bug, you'll hit another ( for which there is no patch yet ) heh
May 09 23:16:17 <Richard> Let me check
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May 10 00:37:59 <[basiC]Script> 01,00somebody says Portuguese12?01,00
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May 10 01:00:29 <MrFeeti1> does the neo1973 have multitouch?
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