**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 18 02:59:56 2007
May 18 03:14:12 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03laforge * r2006 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-pcf50606.patch: * fix typo resulting in compile failure
May 18 04:52:09 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[FAQ/zh_cn]]
May 18 05:00:40 <billl_> counter
May 18 05:00:40 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 65%) P1: a week, 2 days 06:59:17 (9.291 +-5.0 days) (1209;208)
May 18 05:36:09 <aloril> (script) openmoko-community: Werner Almesberger <werner at openmoko.org> Re: Making Neo Brickproof, was comments after reading Wiki
May 18 06:03:52 <roh> re
May 18 06:22:13 <Mandarino> counter
May 18 06:22:14 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 65%) P1: a week, 2 days 05:37:44 (9.235 +-5.0 days) (1210;208)
May 18 06:34:08 <massi> hi, i would like to partecipate in openmoko project with italian translation. could you help me to start?
May 18 06:34:08 <aloril> Commands: counter (see estimated time until P1), counter_msg (set message for counter), faq (link to FAQ in wiki)
May 18 06:59:54 <_alcik_> hello all
May 18 07:01:45 <_alcik_> I was trying to build openmoko using MokoMakefile and run into known problem, as I believie, registered in bugzilla under 'Bug 264'
May 18 07:02:19 <_alcik_> it was supposed to be resolved and it is not
May 18 07:02:21 <_alcik_> :-(
May 18 07:03:01 <_alcik_> I can manualy ./configure for this package but it still should be fixed
May 18 07:04:30 <aloril> first time this triggers: "said MokoMakefile -> not newbie: alcik" ;-)
May 18 07:42:00 <TRIsoft> morning
May 18 08:10:41 <KragenSitaker> still no news about the may 10 production run?
May 18 08:11:26 <mjr> KragenSitaker, there was news that it was delayed by about two weeks on logistical issues
May 18 08:11:56 <KragenSitaker> oh, hey, that's great.  i mean, it sucks that it's delayed, but it's great that there's news.
May 18 08:12:39 <KragenSitaker> i had missed the email
May 18 08:12:50 <KragenSitaker> maybe this shouldbe in the /topic
May 18 08:12:57 <KragenSitaker> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-May/005241.html
May 18 08:14:04 <jeddy3_> counter?
May 18 08:14:04 <aloril> "/msg aloril counter?" for actual long message, giving short version here: http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 65%) P1: a week, 2 days 03:45:53 (9.157 +-5.0 days) (1211;208)
May 18 08:15:10 <aloril> KragenSitaker: [[Neo1973]] page was updated
May 18 08:15:26 <aloril> (and page mentioned few lines up too)
May 18 08:16:48 <KragenSitaker> aloril: thanks ;)
May 18 08:20:11 <stefreak> Hi
May 18 08:20:18 <stefreak> I have a small question
May 18 08:20:31 <mjr> no, not yet, late May hopefully
May 18 08:20:31 <stefreak> is it possible to run moko on an vm?
May 18 08:20:32 <aloril> stefreak: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
May 18 08:20:58 <mjr> oh, that; yes, qemu, though you don't necessarily need a vm, since you can compile it for x86
May 18 08:21:49 <stefreak> It runs on quemu?
May 18 08:22:04 <stefreak> *qemu
May 18 08:22:56 <roh> stefreak there is a special modiefied version of qemu which tries to reensemble the hardware as good as possible. currently you can already boot the same binary images which run on the real moko in this qemu
May 18 08:23:34 <roh> stefreak see the wiki. mokomakefile can help you build that qemu and 'flash' it with the images you can compile
May 18 08:24:57 <PBeck> hoi
May 18 08:25:03 <stefreak> hmm i'm not that specialist ... can i get a pre-builded qemu everywhere?
May 18 08:25:14 <stefreak> anywhere^^
May 18 08:28:40 <roh> stefreak afaik currently there are none avail.
May 18 08:29:33 <stefreak> ok thank you
May 18 08:45:03 <stefreak> is there any warranty on the smartphone itself when i buy it?
May 18 08:50:08 <tholin> stefreak: I saw some list of what's included in the package and it listed a warranty note so I guess so.
May 18 08:50:56 <stefreak> i think it would be a flop when no :)
May 18 08:51:06 <stefreak> it's an interesting project
May 18 08:52:20 <_alcik_> stefreak: but still remember that one supposed to be sold late May is 'for developers' version
May 18 08:53:09 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Look_%26_Feel]] [[Wish_List]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Screen_Saver]]
May 18 09:01:54 <tholin> I wounder how flexible the hardware will be. You will be able to use it as a gprs modem over usb. Will it also be possible to use it as a wifi card over usb if future versions get wiki?
May 18 09:03:07 <stefreak> i heard that it has no wifi integrated ...
May 18 09:04:42 <LuitvD> stefreak: the P1+ version will have wifi
May 18 09:04:55 <Hopscotch> running linux it should be as easy as inserting a nat-rule to make it an wifi<->usb adapter
May 18 09:05:34 <LuitvD> yeh...
May 18 09:06:13 <LuitvD> but I don't think that will be very fast...
May 18 09:08:19 <Hopscotch> i got 700kb/s via scp over usb
May 18 09:08:34 <Hopscotch> not good for copying videos, but perfect for surfing
May 18 09:08:56 <Hopscotch> and scp involves crypto - so plain usb/eth <-> wifi should be faster
May 18 09:09:06 <koen> currently it's the best way
May 18 09:09:16 <koen> since the sd slot is _beneath_ the battery
May 18 09:10:12 <Hopscotch> yeah... and beneath the sim...
May 18 09:10:20 <Hopscotch> but for sd access it's perfect
May 18 09:14:58 <buz> version 1+ might also have usb2
May 18 09:15:10 <buz> at least s3c244X has usb2
May 18 09:16:41 <Hopscotch> does it?
May 18 09:17:31 <XorA> 2443 has usb2
May 18 09:19:40 <buz> 2440 does not according to datasheet (ive just checked)
May 18 09:20:28 <buz> 2443 can do 2.0 device, 1.1 host
May 18 09:21:01 <buz> http://www.samsung.com/products/semiconductor/MobileSoC/ApplicationProcessor/ARM9Series/S3C2443/S3C2443.htm
May 18 09:29:19 <KragenSitaker> the 1.1 host is about 1000x more interesting to me than the device
May 18 09:29:38 <Hopscotch> 2.0 compliant doesn't say much about the speed
May 18 09:49:37 <tholin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mobile_phone_use_world2.PNG
May 18 09:49:55 <tholin> interesting statistics. I would have thought japan would be highest.
May 18 09:50:57 <tholin> Europe ftw!
May 18 10:16:41 <buz> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=17936
May 18 10:16:53 <buz> off the shelf bluetooth AP
May 18 10:17:29 <buz> but its ~240usd
May 18 10:27:21 <ALexman> hi to all
May 18 10:27:47 <ALexman> i want to ask
May 18 10:28:01 <Stephmw> we want to answer
May 18 10:28:04 <ALexman> how do mount the sd
May 18 10:28:11 <ALexman> in moko
May 18 10:28:37 <ALexman> what daemon or etc?
May 18 10:28:37 <aloril> ALexman: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
May 18 10:33:26 <Fletch> counter
May 18 10:33:27 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 65%) P1: a week, 2 days 01:26:30 (9.060 +-5.0 days) (1212;208)
May 18 10:53:09 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Shipping_Notes]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Screen_Saver]]
May 18 11:13:35 <Stephmw> Python+(some native gfx binding)... not OSS, but interesting, http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5617889988.html
May 18 11:33:08 <GaKKGaKk> What is the latest news considering OpenMoko?
May 18 11:33:36 <SpeedEvil> Couple of week delay till hardware
May 18 11:33:48 <SpeedEvil> Well - buyable hardware
May 18 11:35:51 <GaKKGaKk> And how long for usable hardware?
May 18 11:35:57 <GaKKGaKk> :)
May 18 11:36:29 <Moo^> 5 years? :)
May 18 11:37:36 <SpeedEvil> What do you mean by usable?
May 18 11:38:09 <SpeedEvil> In a couple of weekish you'll be able to buy a small X box with some rudimentary phone apps on it.
May 18 11:38:36 <SpeedEvil> All the hardware actually works - the software to drive it is very 
May 18 11:38:45 <GaKKGaKk> not?
May 18 11:38:48 <SpeedEvil> prototype at the moment
May 18 11:39:07 <SpeedEvil> Expect more polished end-user stuff in several months
May 18 11:41:35 <GaKKGaKk> Kind of weird really... I would expect software to develop faster than hardware. Especially in an Open Source environment.
May 18 11:41:44 <GaKKGaKk> btw. http://www.colorwarepc.com/ + Neo1973 ...
May 18 11:43:29 <Elrond> GaKKGaKk - Part of the software is the linux kernel, which is not "hack away". That's, why it takes its time.
May 18 11:45:20 <GaKKGaKk> How's the situation for people who want to write their own programs now then? Is the documentation and tools in place?
May 18 11:45:47 <Elrond> GaKKGaKk - For normal userspace stuff? Basicly yes.
May 18 11:46:12 <Elrond> GaKKGaKk - You can even just compile stuff on your normal desktop and test there.
May 18 11:47:27 <GaKKGaKk> Elrond: Are there any "starter guides" to OpenMoko dev work then? I would really like to take a look at it,
May 18 11:49:27 <Elrond> GaKKGaKk - Try this one: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/How_to_run_OpenMoko_Apps_on_PC
May 18 11:50:21 <GaKKGaKk> thnx
May 18 11:53:25 <Elrond> koen - Do you know of your head, if there's a method to upadate the bad block list with more bad blocks?
May 18 11:55:12 <koen> no idea on that
May 18 11:56:05 <XorA> there is a nand markbad or something like that in uboot
May 18 11:56:13 <XorA> not sure if that adds it to the BBT as well though
May 18 11:56:32 <Elrond> XorA - Yeah, just found it.
May 18 11:56:54 <balrog-kun> nand markbad off - mark bad block at offset (UNSAFE)
May 18 11:56:54 <balrog-kun> nand biterr off - make a bit error at offset (UNSAFE)
May 18 11:57:02 <Elrond> But it's makred as "UNSAFW" in the u-boot wiki page.
May 18 11:57:14 <XorA> Elrond: thats because its one way
May 18 11:57:20 <balrog-kun> "help nand" shows this
May 18 11:57:48 <XorA> Elrond: on my bv2 pre BBT I had to markbad a whole bunch of blacks by hand
May 18 11:58:22 <Elrond> XorA - How did you find the blocks to mark?
May 18 11:58:35 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: What are you doing to this nice phone ;)
May 18 11:59:03 <stefan_schmidt> hmm, why is the CIA bot not here. Public holiday?
May 18 11:59:36 <so_solid_moo> he's on oftc, maybe he got banned from freenode ;)
May 18 11:59:42 <XorA> Elrond: the ones I couldnt write to
May 18 11:59:44 <Elrond> stefan_schmidt - I'm trying my best not to hurt it. :-(
May 18 12:00:07 <Elrond> XorA - "write" to using u-boot?
May 18 12:00:13 <XorA> maybe handhelds.org trademarked it
May 18 12:00:41 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: It's fine. :)
May 18 12:00:51 <stefan_schmidt> so_solid_moo: He is alos on #openezx
May 18 12:05:10 <Elrond> stefan_schmidt - I might have ended up on this issue: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Neo1973_Hardware#Bad_block  and now I'm looking around for help (how to know, that I ended on this issue, how to workaround it)
May 18 12:14:13 <Moo^> hmm. another moo has appeared :)
May 18 12:14:35 <LuitvD> meh? :P
May 18 12:34:28 <ewon> counter
May 18 12:34:28 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 65%) P1: a week, a day 23:25:29 (8.976 +-5.0 days) (1213;208)
May 18 12:43:43 <_alcik_> is there some nice gui app for monotone ?
May 18 12:44:30 <XorA> rxvt
May 18 12:45:07 <xkr47> :)
May 18 12:46:57 * ewon waits
May 18 12:47:02 <_alcik_> :-) its really nice... but Ive ment something with more GUIness
May 18 12:47:41 <koen> didn't you hear, they cracked sha1
May 18 12:48:05 <koen> or maybe sha1 was trademarked by an ass
May 18 12:49:12 <stefan_schmidt> http://www.samsung.com/PressCenter/PressRelease/PressRelease.asp?seq=20070517_0000346824
May 18 12:50:29 <tholin> \o/
May 18 12:52:01 <tholin> no price but I'm guessing expensive.
May 18 12:52:39 <stefan_schmidt> tholin: expected for 2010 :)
May 18 12:53:10 <thomasg_gpm> no stefan_schmidt :)
May 18 12:53:31 <thomasg_gpm> its expected for 2010 that 8 GB is standard (the capacity normally used)
May 18 12:53:59 <stefan_schmidt> tholin: Let us see when you buy one. 4GB cards are still not available :)
May 18 12:54:22 <thomasg_gpm> the 8gb microsd will be available in 2007 (maybe until the p2 release?)
May 18 12:55:17 <thomasg_gpm> 4 gb microsds are available in germany for about 90-100$
May 18 12:55:19 <stefan_schmidt> thomasg_gpm: I still doubt this, but the future will tell.
May 18 12:55:42 <stefan_schmidt> thomasg_gpm: So you have one? Every shop announce this cards don't have them on stock :)
May 18 12:57:04 <stefan_schmidt> thomasg_gpm: So if you have a shop which really can send us tell me. OpenMoko like to have this tested officially.
May 18 12:57:11 <thomasg_gpm> stefan_schmidt, you're right, but SDHC in normal size are already available and there never was a microSDHC, so they should be available soon
May 18 12:58:15 <thomasg_gpm> stefan_schmidt, I'll see if we (mobile phone carrier) already have some testdevices
May 18 12:58:25 <stefan_schmidt> thomasg_gpm: yeah, that's my knowledge, too. SDHC is no problem at all. The small formfactor is the problem.
May 18 12:58:51 <stefan_schmidt> thomasg_gpm: Would be great. I wrote sandisk a mail, but got no reply.
May 18 12:58:56 <thomasg_gpm> yeah, they are really tiny :)
May 18 12:59:46 <stefan_schmidt> Hi LetoTo. Long not seen. How is all the cryptphone stuff going?
May 18 13:05:39 <Richard> Hi, Is it possible to port openmoko to kernel 2.4?
May 18 13:06:22 <koen> no
May 18 13:06:33 <koen> better spend your time porting your device to 2.6
May 18 13:06:50 <Bish> lol
May 18 13:07:03 <Richard> oh, Thanks
May 18 13:07:13 <roh> Richard noone tried, and noone with a sane mind will do
May 18 13:12:09 * XorA doesnt really see the problem as its all based on X11 and gtk+
May 18 13:13:27 <koen> XorA: the in-kernel muxer would be a deal breaker
May 18 13:14:46 <ewon> who the hell still uses 2.4?
May 18 13:15:09 <Stephmw> nutcases and Motorola
May 18 13:15:20 <ewon> madness
May 18 13:15:22 <KragenSitaker> 2.4 is still stabler than 2.6
May 18 13:15:29 <tholin> What does the gsm kernel muxer actually do? There is a lot of talk about it on the wiki. 
May 18 13:15:29 <ewon> it's like those retards still using RHEL3 for stuff
May 18 13:15:33 <KragenSitaker> also smaller
May 18 13:15:50 <ewon> 2.4 smells of old-man-turds
May 18 13:17:57 <Mukunda> Haha, perhaps late may... Ah geez, I hope it'll come soon.
May 18 13:18:23 <roh> KragenSitaker sorry.. but thats just not true.
May 18 13:19:11 <roh> 2.6 is much more modular and better optimizeable for mobile uses
May 18 13:19:28 <Bish> will there be any hardware changes between p1 and 2?
May 18 13:20:02 <XorA> Bish: massive
May 18 13:20:13 <Bish> damn and when will p2 come out?
May 18 13:20:19 <Bish> i want to buy it. im crazy about it xD
May 18 13:20:46 <fledermaus> aloril: counter
May 18 13:20:47 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 65%) P1: a week, a day 22:39:10 (8.944 +-5.0 days) (1214;208)
May 18 13:31:07 * arw_hal9000 hello to all
May 18 13:32:54 <loufoque> Bish: never
May 18 13:32:57 <loufoque> or in a long time
May 18 13:33:15 <Bish> loufoque: so i have to buy p1 this year?
May 18 13:33:48 <loufoque> p1 is aimed at developers, not average users
May 18 13:33:56 <loufoque> plus there will be an hardware upgrade after that
May 18 13:34:16 <Bish> so .. i have to wait for more than 1 year?
May 18 13:34:25 <loufoque> no
May 18 13:34:36 <loufoque> I don't think so
May 18 13:34:46 <Bish> so , how long will i have to wait :P .. half year? 
May 18 13:34:56 <loufoque> maybe
May 18 13:35:11 <Bish> ok thanks for answering
May 18 13:35:19 <loufoque> for example P1 was originally planned in april, and it's not even out yet
May 18 13:35:37 <loufoque> looks like openmoko has quite some delay
May 18 13:35:46 <loufoque> or rather the neo1973 has
May 18 13:36:39 <Kensan> Does anybody know what kind of projects in the realm of crypto/security are underway?
May 18 13:37:09 <loufoque> Bish: phase 2 was originally planned for September
May 18 13:37:41 <Bish> ahh that would be great :P 
May 18 14:00:42 <buz> rofl
May 18 14:00:58 <buz> my 20" lcd makes noise lately, and different noise depending on what it displays
May 18 14:01:01 <buz> annoying as hell
May 18 14:04:02 <Moo^> buz: are you sure it's the monitor, not your sound card taking interference from the graphics card?
May 18 14:04:14 <buz> its the screen
May 18 14:04:41 <Moo^> hmmm... then it's a bad sign
May 18 14:04:54 <buz> ah well its 3 years old
May 18 14:05:06 <buz> noise comes only when external screen is on, and definitely from the screen
May 18 14:05:17 <buz> a dvi screen should never make noise because of soundcard
May 18 14:05:26 <buz> and vice versa shouldnt really happen either
May 18 14:05:30 <Moo^> my monitor did that before giving up its magic smoke
May 18 14:05:39 <buz> i had one who did this for years
May 18 14:05:43 <Moo^> the high frequency tranformer blew up or something
May 18 14:05:44 <buz> until it pissed me off to badly
May 18 14:05:49 <buz> yeah sounds like that
May 18 14:05:55 <buz> still weird its affected by what it displays
May 18 14:06:05 <Moo^> depends on frequencies
May 18 14:06:17 <Moo^> and it uses different voltage for brighter areas and so on
May 18 14:06:18 <buz> as i said, it's hooked up via dvi
May 18 14:06:29 <buz> that should not differe in frequency
May 18 14:08:56 <buz> whats this thing about massive hardware upgrade?
May 18 14:09:14 <SpeedEvil> It's going to have FPGAs and ponies now.
May 18 14:10:34 <buz> no v8? :-(
May 18 14:11:02 <tholin> omg ponies! I'll be the first one to order the pink edition.
May 18 14:11:07 <LuitvD> :P
May 18 14:11:18 <LuitvD> damn, beaten in the 'omg ponies' reaction :P
May 18 14:11:20 * buz preorders hello kitty design
May 18 14:19:59 <LetoTo> (09:36:41 AM) Kensan: Does anybody know what kind of projects in the realm of crypto/security are underway?
May 18 14:20:24 <LetoTo> Me and my company are going to add ipsec/l2tp/openvpn/sip client
May 18 14:20:55 <guaqua> open sourced?
May 18 14:21:09 <LetoTo> yeah
May 18 14:21:13 <LetoTo> it's all opensource software
May 18 14:21:26 <buz> yeah neat, wengophone finally talks to other sip providers
May 18 14:21:29 <LetoTo> (I'm from xelerance, the guys who write/maintain openswan and xl2tpd)
May 18 14:21:54 <tonyg> so, the 10 may production run didn't happen - is the 20th still on target?
May 18 14:22:07 <buz> we dont really know
May 18 14:22:30 <tonyg> ah.
May 18 14:24:08 <mjr> probably not, since the word was that production was delayed by about two weeks
May 18 14:24:16 <bmidgley> has anyone gotten the bluetooth adapter to power up?
May 18 14:24:17 <mjr> so it should be about 24th, if I interpret correctly
May 18 14:24:18 <tonyg> oh, I see. ok. that makes sense
May 18 14:24:36 <tonyg> my current phone is dying slowly so I'm **really** keen to get a new one and start hacking :-)
May 18 14:24:38 <bmidgley> modprobe hci_usb worked, did the echo 1>/sys/.../power_on
May 18 14:24:46 <bmidgley> hciconfig -a is still empty
May 18 14:28:50 <buz> neat, openwengo works perfectly with my existing sip account
May 18 14:29:34 <Kensan> LetoTo: Thanks for the info. Anybody looking at dm-crypt+jffs2?
May 18 14:31:12 <LetoTo> not yet, but we do want to encrypt the fs
May 18 14:31:17 <LetoTo> not sure how feasable it is though
May 18 14:31:21 <dwmw2_gone> not hard
May 18 14:31:28 <LetoTo> because anyone can take the flash and start brute forcing it
May 18 14:31:33 <dwmw2_gone> you wouldn't use dm-crypt
May 18 14:31:41 <dwmw2_gone> you'd hook crypto into the jffs2 compression bits
May 18 14:31:51 <LetoTo> so unless someone comes up with some "scribble -> passwd" scheme, I dont think it will work
May 18 14:31:55 <buz> i would use ext3 on dm-crypt on the sd card
May 18 14:31:56 <LetoTo> pincodes are just not big enough
May 18 14:32:07 <dwmw2_gone> the only real difference between crypto and compression, as far as the file system is concerned, is that crypto doesn't shrink the data quite as much :)
May 18 14:32:20 <Bish> is the neo1973 a high quality mobilephone or a cheap taiwan product :P ?
May 18 14:32:22 <dwmw2_gone> and you need to make crypto _mandatory_ so it's stored 'compressed' even if it isn't smaller
May 18 14:32:37 <buz> maybe encfs on jffs2 would work
May 18 14:32:50 <buz> i havent had very good experiences with encfs though
May 18 14:33:01 <LetoTo> you wouldnt be able to compress it anymore
May 18 14:33:11 <LetoTo> if it is goof crypto, it's all pretty uncompressable random
May 18 14:33:12 <buz> i dont really care
May 18 14:33:14 <LetoTo> good
May 18 14:33:14 <dwmw2_gone> buz: why encfs instead of what I just said?
May 18 14:33:14 <aloril> dwmw2_gone: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
May 18 14:33:22 <buz> because it needs no hacking ;)
May 18 14:33:27 * dwmw2_gone looks at aloril 
May 18 14:33:38 <buz> and hacking crypto correctly is hard
May 18 14:33:46 <dwmw2_gone> no it isn't
May 18 14:33:47 <Bish> somebody got a neo1973 here?
May 18 14:33:50 <dwmw2_gone> the _crypto_ parts are done
May 18 14:33:53 <dwmw2_gone> Bish: yeah
May 18 14:34:00 <Bish> dwmw2_gone: is it high quality?
May 18 14:34:09 <dwmw2_gone> it's just a case of plugging them into the existing jffs2 compression core, as I said
May 18 14:34:14 <dwmw2_gone> Bish: define 'high quality'
May 18 14:34:41 <Bish> hm... like.. it wont get broken
May 18 14:34:50 <dwmw2_gone> it seems quite robust to me
May 18 14:35:03 <Bish> ah cool thats what im talkin about :P thanks
May 18 14:35:04 <dwmw2_gone> that's just my impression though -- obviously I haven't tried hard to break it yet :)
May 18 14:37:49 <Bish> man i want a neo1973 too :p but the final version :P
May 18 14:38:41 <kslater> seems like they could sell a fair amount of this phone just to geeks that don't want to bow down to Apple
May 18 14:40:24 <Bish> xD
May 18 14:40:25 <guaqua> or to geeks who might wanna write apps with decent tools and decent languages
May 18 14:42:33 <LuitvD> hmm, is the Neo1973 going to be displayed on the electronics & automation 2007 too?
May 18 14:42:55 <LuitvD> next week in utrecht, NL
May 18 14:43:07 <LuitvD> wednesday till friday
May 18 14:45:49 <Bish> whats about cebit :p in germany?
May 18 14:47:10 <LuitvD> Bish: where in germany? :)
May 18 14:47:16 <guaqua> hannover i think
May 18 14:47:18 <Bish> hannover
May 18 14:47:19 <Bish> yeah
May 18 14:53:09 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Text_Input]] [[Talk:Screen_Saver]] [[Buying_Interest_List]]
May 18 15:00:18 <Kensan> dwmw2_gone: I think the tricky part is to gather some sensible information whether adding crypto to jffs2 will significantly increase writes to the flash...
May 18 15:01:57 <buz> uhm what happens when i do PWM on a fan?
May 18 15:01:57 <Kensan> LetoTo: One could be using Tokens/Smartcards that you have to plugin at "bootup"/"wakeup" if you want "strong" security.
May 18 15:03:00 * LuitvD is going to recieve a free WiFi sniffer :D
May 18 15:03:19 <Kensan> LetoTo: I don't know if one could even use the SIM-Card for that... I don't know how restricted the access to the SIM-Card is and what functionality it could offer.
May 18 15:03:40 <SpeedEvil> buz: Generally - it goes slower
May 18 15:03:48 <SpeedEvil> Some behave better than others.
May 18 15:07:12 <simon_> i sniffer :D
May 18 15:08:03 <buz> yeah but do the fans fail faster when i do pwm?
May 18 15:42:01 <don-o> slightly off topic but the iPhone got FCC approval. https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=268052&fcc_id='BCGA1203'
May 18 15:43:20 <pjz>  
May 18 15:49:12 <mrcucumber> Any ETA on the purchase of Phase 1 devices?
May 18 15:49:29 <mrcucumber> or know how the May 10th run went?
May 18 15:51:37 <Elrond> mrcucumber - The May 10th run was delayed by 2 weeks.
May 18 15:54:03 <mrcucumber> Bummer
May 18 15:54:15 <mrcucumber> shouldn't someone update the wiki?
May 18 15:54:45 <mrcucumber> oh, someone has
May 18 16:00:55 <pjz> countre
May 18 16:00:57 <pjz> counter
May 18 16:00:58 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 65%) P1: a week, a day 19:58:59 (8.833 +-5.0 days) (1215;208)
May 18 16:04:20 <TRIsoft> gtg cu
May 18 16:15:18 <Marex-notebook> hmm ... do you think I can get a free mokophone proto too? ;-)
May 18 16:15:47 <Marex-notebook> ... as a development and testing platform
May 18 16:15:52 <mjr> are you hot shit?
May 18 16:16:16 <Marex-notebook> dunno, I made a few ports
May 18 16:16:32 <Marex-notebook> palmz71 and palmtt some time ago, my current project is palmtc and palmld
May 18 16:16:50 <Marex-notebook> Im cooperating with hackndev (see hackndev.com)
May 18 16:17:14 <mjr> 'cause basically, the freebie-getters have been selected already earlier this year, but if one is hot shit, it'd probably be worth a shot.
May 18 16:17:28 <mjr> (I'm not affiliated with FIC or OpenMoko inc.)
May 18 16:18:13 <Marex-notebook> mjr, well ... I was wondering rather because palm devices are a bit weak on hardware, so I can have some stronger testing device
May 18 16:18:42 <Marex-notebook> for testing userspace stuff (GPE on lifedrive is really slow :-/ )
May 18 16:29:03 <guaqua> 5421
May 18 16:42:47 <SpeedEvil> Damn. This is getting silly.
May 18 16:43:12 <SpeedEvil> I was trying to remember where I'd learned from an accidental release the numbers in the first run.
May 18 16:43:26 <SpeedEvil> I realise it now was a dream.
May 18 16:49:34 <tholin> is there any real danger of destroying the device when you tinker with it?
May 18 16:49:57 <tholin> like overwriting the 4K region the bootloader needs?
May 18 16:53:09 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Screen_Saver]]
May 18 16:53:39 <roh> tholin actually the bootloader is about 265k big and is not protected. but there's jtag on the device and a easy to use debugboard is avail for it
May 18 16:54:28 <roh> which features a serial and jtag at the same time and gets completely supplied via usb, so you don't need an old notebook with serial or parallel on it
May 18 16:55:08 <tholin> if need be, I have a 286 standing by.
May 18 16:57:26 <Elrond> Do I get that right? While the phone is on, pressing the power button for 8 seconds should power off the phone, not matter what else is going on inside it?
May 18 17:01:06 <Elrond> Hi ossman 
May 18 17:01:16 <ossman> evening
May 18 17:36:06 <zecke> mickey|moving: are you around?
May 18 17:40:39 <zecke> why do we need moko_stock_register()?
May 18 17:41:02 <zecke> just make a __attribute__((constructor)) and if you link to libmokoui it will initialize the stuff...
May 18 17:45:20 <Elrond> zecke - Maybe because OM apps want to run on platforms without the GNU linker?
May 18 17:45:50 <zecke> the GNU linker is free
May 18 17:46:21 <Elrond> But not ported to all the platforms that have a c-compiler (or gcc), I think.
May 18 17:46:52 <Elrond> I would guess, it's still not ported to aix. ;o)
May 18 17:46:55 <zecke> Elrond: all Unix systems I regulary use have a working cxa_init :)
May 18 17:47:22 <zecke> shame on me, I forgot our target platform AIX
May 18 17:48:06 <Elrond> Oh, so you have also been infected by the standard GNU "do never ever consider AIX a worthwhile platform to port your app to"-virus? ;o))
May 18 18:44:10 <Elrond> <5>JFFS2 notice: (1121) read_unknown: unknown RWCOMPAT_DELETE nodetype 0X2000 at 0x06f614
May 18 18:44:13 <Elrond> <4>JFFS2 warning: (1121) jffs2_do_read_inode_internal: no data nodes found for ino #31
May 18 19:01:36 <webjames> weird question: does anyone remember the tv show with a talking motorcycle i'm sure it was called black something.. similar to knight rider
May 18 19:02:05 <Tv> i think street hawk
May 18 19:02:11 <Tv> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Hawk
May 18 19:02:20 <webjames> nice.. that was quick!
May 18 19:02:55 <webjames> Tv that's it brilliant
May 18 19:03:11 <Tv> hey i watched it ;)
May 18 19:09:34 <Maybelline> Do you guys remember "Manimal?"
May 18 19:09:35 <aloril> Maybelline: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
May 18 19:31:25 <webjames> Maybelline: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manimal i don't remember it but it sounds pretty funny, if a little budget
May 18 20:54:11 <kiney_> counter
May 18 20:54:11 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 65%) P1: a week, a day 15:05:46 (8.629 +-5.0 days) (1216;208)
May 18 21:03:00 <don-o> the only thing the counter has accurately predicted is when it will be reset to two weeks from now.
May 18 21:07:02 <Elrond> *G*
May 18 21:10:32 <Elrond> Hi Bish
May 18 21:17:52 <Bish-drunk> Hi Elrond 
May 18 21:18:05 <Bish-drunk> sup?
May 18 21:18:05 <aloril> Bish-drunk: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
May 18 21:18:22 <Bish-drunk> ?
May 18 21:18:28 <Bish-drunk> blub?
May 18 21:22:59 <Elrond> Bish-drunk - Your nick suggests, that you've drunken a bit? ;)
May 18 21:26:54 <Bish-drunk> yeah a little bit xD
May 18 21:27:05 <Bish-drunk> jack daniels ftw
May 18 21:27:44 <Bish-drunk> but i still want to buy phase2 of openmoko !! (neo1937)
May 18 21:28:25 <Elrond> 1937 is a bit far away ;o)
May 18 21:29:54 <Bish-drunk> damn xD 73
May 18 21:34:07 <Elrond> So the jack daniels already has changed your typing? ;o)
May 18 21:34:49 <balrog-kun> or warped the time
May 18 21:35:15 <Elrond> balrog-kun - hehe :-)
May 18 21:36:00 <Elrond> balrog-kun - echo standby >/sys/power/state made it standby for 0.3sec, after that it came back and usbnet did not work anymore.
May 18 21:41:04 <balrog-kun> Elrond: i noted the same happened the first time i tried it on the Neo yesterday, but now it suspends fine
May 18 21:41:39 <balrog-kun> and it's so far the only way i found to suspend it with the default shipped OpenMoko install
May 18 21:42:11 <balrog-kun> (which sucks but i want to back it up before i replace it with something better)
May 18 21:42:36 <Bish-drunk> Elrond: no.. it changed my thinkin :P
May 18 21:43:55 <balrog-kun> however reconnecting the usb cable is a wakeup event just like the power button
May 18 21:46:40 <Bish-drunk> <3 openmoko
May 18 21:46:43 <Elrond> balrog-kun - I did not reconnect the usb-cable. It wokeup within 0.3sec.
May 18 21:47:13 <balrog-kun> Elrond: have you tried only once?
May 18 21:47:14 <Elrond> balrog-kun - Yeah... I noticed the wakeup thing. Put battery in, plug usb cable in... thing boots without using power button. ;o)
May 18 21:47:55 <balrog-kun> i have it suspended right now using /sys/power/state, but i need to kill ssh everytime i do that
May 18 21:48:09 <Elrond> balrog-kun - Yes. After the first try I again had to remove the battery, and I'm now waiting for comments on my bugreport before putting the battery back. ;)
May 18 21:48:40 <balrog-kun> probably "(sleep 1; echo standby > /sys/power/state) & exit" would work better
May 18 21:48:58 <balrog-kun> oh okay
May 18 22:03:34 <goki> so... there will be wifi in version 1.5?
May 18 22:03:34 <aloril> P1.5 will likely have WiFi (Atheros AR6K): http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-April/000012.html  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F  (WiFi status for P1.5 will be known for sure when P1 becomes available and also what kind of discount for P1.5 is given for P1 buyers)
May 18 22:03:41 <goki> nice :)
May 18 22:03:56 <LuitvD> 1-0 for aloril's script :P
May 18 22:06:07 <Elrond> *G*
May 18 22:09:20 <mrcucumber> How would one start helping develope the software for open moko?
May 18 22:09:46 <Elrond> mrcucumber - Build it for your desktop and go fixing bugs? :)
May 18 22:09:49 <mrcucumber> I'm a college student with experience in C++/Java/Ruby
May 18 22:10:32 <Elrond> mrcucumber - Most is in C.
May 18 22:10:51 <LuitvD> mrcucumber: well... read a bit of the wiki, hang around here, and just code what you think is right :P
May 18 22:11:23 <mrcucumber> Elrond: I've built it using the moko make file, and it runs, I'm not sure where the code I'm supposed to be messing with lives though
May 18 22:14:41 <Elrond> mrcucumber - I haven't used the mokomakefile...
May 18 22:16:31 <mrcucumber> Elrond: How about you find me a simple bug to fix (I realize you can't exactly know what's simple until it's fixed, but still) and I'll figure out how to fix it.
May 18 22:18:30 <Elrond> mrcucumber - My setup is a bit old, so I don't know, if it's still a bug (READ: Try to reproduce it, and if you can't look for next bug). Are you looking for GUI bugs? If so: Starting the openmoko-keyboard, while the taskmanager is active, looks funny. The taskmanager is partly transparent and one sees parts of they keyboard. ;)
May 18 22:20:16 <mrcucumber> Elrond:Okay, I'm updating to the latest version and then I'll try and reproduce, but how does one pull up the keyboard?
May 18 22:22:58 <Elrond> mrcucumber - http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=494571426&size=l&context=pool-339900@N21
May 18 22:23:21 <Elrond> mrcucumber - You see the white rectangle in the top? Click on it.
May 18 22:23:51 <mrcucumber> Elrond:that's what that thing is for
May 18 22:24:08 <mrcucumber> Elrond:are we planning on putting some keys their to make it look like a keyboard later?
May 18 22:24:24 <goki> the screen looks really really good
May 18 22:25:06 <Elrond> mrcucumber - On one screenshot it looked like a keyboard. :)
May 18 22:26:05 <Elrond> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=412663954&size=l
May 18 22:26:13 <Elrond> There it looks like a keyboard.
May 18 22:27:21 <mrcucumber> Elrond:is that a bug in it's self?
May 18 22:27:31 <mrcucumber> Elrond:or jus tthe way the screen is tilted?
May 18 22:27:35 <balrog-kun> this is how the original matchbox keyboard applet looks like, they removed the icons, i believe in order to replace them with something better later
May 18 22:27:59 <Elrond> mrcucumber - See balrog-kun 
May 18 22:28:24 <goki> http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/412663954/in/pool-openmoko/
May 18 22:28:29 <goki> looks like a keyboard there
May 18 22:28:46 <goki> actually that shot looks really fancy :)
May 18 22:29:09 <goki> I don't really get why the top section has to look different from the bottom though
May 18 22:29:11 <Elrond> goki - That's the screenshot I posted. ;)
May 18 22:29:22 <balrog-kun> the wiki may have some mockup image from the graphics design people depicting how they want it to look, but i haven't seen any
May 18 22:29:48 <Elrond> goki - Because the top is from matchbox, the bottom from openmoko.
May 18 22:30:02 <Elrond> goki - koen does not boot stock openmoko rootfs ;)
May 18 22:30:03 <balrog-kun> goki: note that the CPU usage and the batter level applets on this shot are also the old ones from original matchbox
May 18 22:30:27 <goki> Elrond: heh yeah, I've been looking at the flickr album since the first link, so I didn't see it :)
May 18 22:31:26 <goki> They look like nice icons, seems like a low priority to change them compared to getting other stuff done, but what do I know? :)
May 18 22:34:59 <DukeOfURL> In the pictures, the battery covers half of the SIM and microSD cards.  What is in the space above the other half?
May 18 22:35:19 <Elrond> DukeOfURL - Nothing.
May 18 22:35:43 <DukeOfURL> Empty space?
May 18 22:36:26 <Elrond> Yes.
May 18 22:37:45 <Elrond> It's good for putting in your fingers to get the battery out.
May 18 22:39:38 <balrog-kun> i think it's for smuggling small amounts of drugs
May 18 22:39:45 <Elrond> *G*
May 18 22:39:46 <hads> heh
May 18 22:40:30 <pjz_> howdy all
May 18 22:40:51 <Elrond> Hi pjz_ 
May 18 22:41:37 <Elrond> Hi cworth!
May 18 22:42:25 <pjz_> i'm on via putty from my cell, wishing for an openmoko and a bt kbd
May 18 22:42:26 <cworth> hi Elrond!
May 18 22:42:39 <Elrond> pjz_ - ;o)
May 18 22:42:56 <Elrond> pjz_ - So everybody within 10m could sniff your password? ;)
May 18 22:43:39 <Elrond> (or is BT crypto any good and is it supported at all?)
May 18 22:44:14 <pjz_> ugh isn't that encrypted yet?
May 18 22:44:21 <parag0n__> he's using putty, so it'll be ssh encrypted
May 18 22:45:04 <hads> putty doesn't quite make it to the keyboard
May 18 22:45:11 <Elrond> parag0n__ - For over the internet, yes. But "keyboard --> BT --> Neo" has the BT link.
May 18 22:45:23 <parag0n__> ah, good point
May 18 22:45:25 <pjz_> parag0n__:he means thd kbd link
May 18 22:45:59 <Elrond> I have NO idea on BT security.
May 18 22:46:20 <Elrond> It might be secure my now. But we all know, how secure Wifi was. ;o)
May 18 22:46:55 <pjz_> that's got to be encrypted or most macs are compromised
May 18 22:47:23 <Elrond> pjz_ - Well, it's only short range. Your attacker must be within meters. :-)
May 18 22:48:25 <pjz_> outside an office door is close enough to get the secretary's password
May 18 22:48:38 <balrog-kun> is probably hiding under your desk, check there
May 18 22:49:15 <Elrond> balrog-kun - *G*
May 18 22:50:27 <Kensan> Elrond: AFAIK, the BT protocol per se is regarded as secure but I read about some attack vectors depending on the implementation
May 18 22:52:05 <Elrond> Kensan - It's quite surprising, that they got something secure, that is even intended for headsets or so.
May 18 22:52:08 <Kensan> Elrond: There's authentication and encryption between paired devices. Maybe this link is of interest: http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1830
May 18 22:52:53 <pjz_> cool
May 18 22:53:05 <Kensan> Elrond: If you scroll down to the "Vendor issues" part it talks about implementation issues
May 18 22:53:20 <Elrond> Ahh.
May 18 22:54:18 <Kensan> Elrond: I don't want to be spamming the channel but there's a Part2 to that article: http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1836
May 18 22:55:29 <pjz_> well, bye for now!
May 18 22:55:36 <don-o> Kensan: great links, thanks.
May 18 22:56:52 <Kensan> don-o: Well google is your friend ;) Those articles are from 2005 though so maybe some other issues have come up since then...
May 18 22:59:00 <zecke> night
May 18 22:59:35 <Kensan> Elrond: There's also an "official" page [bluetooth.com]: http://www.bluetooth.com/Bluetooth/Learn/Security/
May 18 22:59:59 <Kensan> and of course wikipedia has some (not so detailed) info I believe.
May 18 23:00:44 <Elrond> Kensan - Many thanks. :-)
May 18 23:01:44 <Kensan> Elrond: AFAIK Marcel Holtmann is the main dev of the linux bluetooth stack (bluez) and he has discovered some attacks himself.
May 18 23:04:15 <don-o> Kensan: the Car Whisperer situation could be fun :)
May 18 23:05:41 <Kensan> don-o: There's other funny things you can do with car/navi systems ;) 
May 18 23:08:42 <Kensan> don-o: at CanSecWest 07 some guys used the Traffic Message Channel of RDS to send fake data to navi systems. (http://dev.inversepath.com/rds/cansecwest_2007.pdf)
May 18 23:09:54 <Kensan> (WARNING: it's a >13 Meg PDF!)
May 18 23:14:41 <don-o> Kensan: i wish all slide sets were that interesting to read
May 18 23:19:44 <Kensan> don-o: AFAIK the Neo1973 won't be affected though. It has no support for RDS, etc.
May 18 23:24:08 <Elrond> It has BT ;)
May 18 23:25:35 <don-o> the new pass-less pairing in bluetooth 2.1 is interesting
May 18 23:34:22 <Elrond> Night people. :)
May 18 23:37:29 <neostrider> hello folks
May 18 23:38:01 <neostrider> hello mukunda
May 18 23:45:59 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03stefan * r2031 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-startup/ (ChangeLog src/openmoko-panel-startup.c): (log message trimmed)
May 18 23:45:59 <CIA-24> openmoko: 2007-05-18 Stefan Schmidt <stefan@openmoko.org>
May 18 23:45:59 <CIA-24> openmoko:  * ChangeLog:
May 18 23:45:59 <CIA-24> openmoko:  * src/openmoko-panel-startup.c:
May 18 23:45:59 <CIA-24> openmoko:  (startup_applet_free):
May 18 23:46:01 <CIA-24> openmoko:  (monitor_event_func):
May 18 23:46:05 <CIA-24> openmoko:  (applet_main):
May 19 00:33:54 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03stefan * r2032 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-startup/ (ChangeLog src/openmoko-panel-startup.c): (log message trimmed)
May 19 00:33:54 <CIA-24> openmoko: 2007-05-19 Stefan Schmidt <stefan@openmoko.org>
May 19 00:33:54 <CIA-24> openmoko:  * src/openmoko-panel-startup.c:
May 19 00:33:54 <CIA-24> openmoko:  (show_hourglass):
May 19 00:33:54 <CIA-24> openmoko:  (hide_hourglass):
May 19 00:33:56 <CIA-24> openmoko:  (monitor_event_func):
May 19 00:33:58 <CIA-24> openmoko:  (applet_main):
May 19 01:50:43 <Richard> Hi,  Is there someone developing openmoko in shanghai,china?
May 19 02:18:58 <bluelightning> hmm, that's weird... the task manager bar appeared at the top of the screen this time
May 19 02:20:52 <balrog-kun> happened to me a couple of times too
May 19 02:21:17 <balrog-kun> other things also work randomly (desktop backgrounf and the task manager background, some top bar applets)
May 19 02:21:28 <bluelightning> it's also not having much luck getting on the gsm network :(
May 19 02:21:30 <balrog-kun> i've seen the same happen under Familiar
May 19 02:21:43 <balrog-kun> on other ARM devices
May 19 02:21:49 <bluelightning> annoyingly that seemed to be working before I reflashed
May 19 02:22:02 <bluelightning> (the network thing)
May 19 02:22:17 <bluelightning> at least the dialer doesn't crash on making a call now though
May 19 02:26:23 <alphaone> bluelightning: That's the new bar? The one that looks nice, or are you using an older version?
May 19 02:30:53 <alphaone> bluelightning: Do you have some way of reproducing that bug?
May 19 02:31:23 <bluelightning> alphaone: I don't think so, it just did it once on boot... I'm rebooting now and I imagine it will not do it this time
May 19 02:31:34 <bluelightning> I imagine it has something to do with the order that apps are loading
May 19 02:31:49 <alphaone> I think it could be related to the footer starting too early sometimes.
May 19 02:31:55 <bluelightning> yeah
May 19 02:32:09 <bluelightning> yep it went in the right place this time
May 19 02:32:31 <bluelightning> (this is with the 20070517192145 image)
May 19 02:33:22 <alphaone> bluelightning: Maybe you could play around with the script that starts the apps a little and see if it happens more/less often if you move it back in the startup process.
May 19 02:33:36 <alphaone> Ah, okay. Then the footer still looks strange.
May 19 02:33:46 <bluelightning> alphaone: ok
May 19 02:33:57 <alphaone> I fixed that a couple of hours ago.
May 19 02:34:26 <alphaone> bluelightning: Thanks. If you find something significant please file a bug.
May 19 02:35:21 * alphaone needs some sleep now.
May 19 02:35:26 <alphaone> good night
May 19 02:35:29 <bluelightning> night
May 19 02:36:51 <balrog-kun> alphaone: you can reproduce it in qemu, it happens every 1/10 times in my experience
May 19 02:37:18 <DukeOfURL> \
May 19 02:37:21 <balrog-kun> and the bottom bar also changes background pattern randomly
May 19 02:37:33 <bluelightning> argh no sshd running in this image :/
May 19 02:37:41 <bluelightning> or even installed
May 19 02:37:43 <bluelightning> wtf
May 19 02:39:28 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03laforge * r2033 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/gta01-kernel_2.6.bb: update default kernel to 2.6.21.1
May 19 02:41:48 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03laforge * r2034 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/linux-gta01/defconfig-2.6.21.1-fic-gta01: enable GTA01 backlight and HXD8 light sensor driver
May 19 02:43:28 <bmidgley> bluelightning: i've noticed no gsm working but i'm also disappointed bluetooth won't come up
May 19 02:44:30 <bmidgley> i tried the 5/17 image and also a custom image
May 19 02:46:54 <bluelightning> bmidgley: things still seem to be rather broken atm
May 19 02:47:42 <bmidgley> yeah everybody is so uptight about hardware release schedules when there's so much more to the story
May 19 02:48:12 <bmidgley> i'm trying to help with the bluetooth audio
May 19 02:48:23 <bluelightning> I'd love to help but I'm not really sure where to start... ie, who is working on what...
May 19 02:48:28 <bmidgley> i also hacked together a gps repeater over bluetooth that would be nice
May 19 02:48:30 <bluelightning> some "junior jobs" would probably be useful
May 19 02:48:45 <bluelightning> cool :)
May 19 02:48:45 <bmidgley> (i hacked it together on gumstix)
May 19 02:50:03 <bluelightning> ah, silly me, of course no sshd, it's dropbear or similar
May 19 02:50:13 <bmidgley> until power management works, it always has to be tethered
May 19 02:50:15 <bmidgley> not as fun
May 19 02:50:25 <bluelightning> yeah that is a problem
May 19 02:51:16 <bmidgley> I hope they put a umts radio in the next rev. i don't care so much about wifi
May 19 02:52:30 <bluelightning> I'm just glad bluetooth made it in :)
May 19 02:53:35 <bmidgley> oh yes that would be a dealbreaker
May 19 02:54:09 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xephyr]]
May 19 02:54:30 <bmidgley> my 1gb card is working... would be nice to try some of the bigger cards
May 19 02:55:28 <bluelightning> hmm, I haven't even tried that yet
May 19 02:55:51 <bmidgley> you have to modprobe s3cmci
May 19 02:58:03 <bluelightning> hmm, it tells me "invalid argument" when I try to mount it
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