**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 24 02:59:57 2007 May 24 03:15:47 <_ASK> what happens to the neo if your battery runs out of power? May 24 03:15:53 <_ASK> data gets lost? May 24 03:19:27 _ASK: flash memory doesn't need power to keep its content May 24 03:21:02 <_ASK> there is a difference between losing the content of what is stored in ROM and RAM; many programs have a real time information that should be preserved even if the battery runs out of power May 24 03:21:12 <_ASK> for example, call log and things like that May 24 03:22:01 keeping RAM content doesn't need much power, though why would call log be in RAM only? May 24 03:22:22 <_ASK> if you store a copy of certain parts of the RAM in the ROM, you create a non volatile file system, but it's awfuly slow May 24 03:23:04 <_ASK> i ask because checking things on the nec mobilepro, i noticed some neat trick that could be very useful in the neo May 24 03:23:37 <_ASK> it has two batteries: one standard, rechargeable May 24 03:23:51 <_ASK> the other is a standard watch coin cell May 24 03:24:02 <_ASK> if the device runs out of power from the main battery May 24 03:24:10 <_ASK> it falls back to the coin battery May 24 03:24:51 <_ASK> this way you don't need to use flash to mantain the contents of critical parts of RAM and the device should work faster May 24 03:29:57 well.. call log, gps trace logs, etc.. its quite little amount of memory really, doesn't take long to write that May 24 03:30:09 IMHO May 24 03:30:15 <_ASK> belive me, it's a big issue May 24 03:30:28 <_ASK> when palm implemented the NVFS in the treo, performance got shitty May 24 03:31:50 <_ASK> most programs assume that the content of ram is protected May 24 03:36:16 <__ASK> everything on the system assumes ram integrity. unless you do 1:1 backup of every change on the flash, there is no warranty that data will be ok May 24 03:41:24 umm.. yes, but what (desktop) linux programs assumes that what is in ram is not lost? May 24 03:41:40 mostly they assume things on ram can be lost at any time May 24 03:43:37 <_ASK> but you don't want to lose things; that's the issue May 24 03:44:01 <_ASK> saving on each time is not really practical May 24 03:45:04 <_ASK> linked chains, for example, is something quite tricky to store in ROM without much overhead May 24 03:47:10 <_ASK> well, it's something to watch out. let's leave it at that. May 24 05:27:16 what's the idea behind developing a set of openmoko PIM apps instead of building on the GPE stuff May 24 05:27:46 Consistency. May 24 05:27:58 You pretty much need dedicated phone apps. May 24 05:28:11 Optimised for small screens. May 24 05:28:18 And touchscreens, and ... May 24 05:28:34 Also, to be integrated with each other. May 24 05:29:28 k May 24 05:29:34 Oops - /me misread that as GPL May 24 05:29:55 But the same sort-of-applies. May 24 05:30:01 What about Pimlico or what it's called? May 24 05:30:04 This is a phone that's got to work for everyone. May 24 05:30:24 o-hands PIM suit May 24 05:33:20 Could I get like a mentor to help me get involved, I'm a College student with C++/Java/Ruby/Scheme experience and I'm really excited about the openmoko project. I have set up the dev environment but I'm having trouble getting started. May 24 05:37:30 counter May 24 05:37:31 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 60%) P1: 4 days 03:11:13 (4.133 +-4.1 days) (1259;212) May 24 06:16:59 counter_msg http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 55%) May 24 06:16:59 aloril changed counter prefix message to http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 55%) May 24 06:26:17 (script) openmoko-community: Werner Almesberger Re: Few comments after reading Wiki May 24 06:37:26 counter May 24 06:37:27 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 55%) P1: 4 days 02:41:15 (4.112 +-4.1 days) (1260;212) May 24 06:37:39 counter? May 24 06:37:39 "/msg aloril counter?" for actual long message, giving short version here: http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 55%) P1: 4 days 02:41:09 (4.112 +-4.1 days) (1261;212) May 24 06:55:58 good morning May 24 07:25:57 Morning May 24 07:29:10 <__ASK> hi there **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 24 07:35:47 2007 May 24 07:43:50 morning May 24 08:48:09 * xuxa lost his cell phone yesterday May 24 08:48:17 ooops May 24 08:48:21 are Openmoko phones available anywhere yet? May 24 08:48:21 xuxa: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) May 24 08:48:28 aha May 24 08:48:29 * xuxa reads May 24 08:49:20 aha, September. Guess I'll have to get an interim phone... :) May 24 08:49:46 * CM too May 24 08:50:04 you could haul around a powerbrick with a P1 phone :-) May 24 08:50:11 :) May 24 09:10:47 counter May 24 09:10:47 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 55%) P1: 4 days 01:24:35 (4.059 +-4.1 days) (1262;212) May 24 09:17:54 good morning May 24 09:18:45 hey florian May 24 10:05:28 morning May 24 10:21:54 openmoko: 03mickey * r2075 10/trunk/oe/packages/gtk+/ (51 files in 4 dirs): oe: add overlay for gtk+ to apply lower-quality-scaling-in-pixbuf-engine.patch. patch courtesy Thomas Wood, thanks! May 24 10:22:17 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] May 24 11:10:40 openmoko: 03thomas * r2076 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-dialer/src/ (dialer-main.c dialer-window-dialer.c moko-dialer-autolist.c): May 24 11:10:40 openmoko: Patch by Neil J Patel May 24 11:10:40 openmoko: openmoko-dialer: Add threaded support for autolist May 24 11:17:17 morning all, morning hrw, florian May 24 11:17:49 hi webjames May 24 11:18:33 hi webjames May 24 11:46:17 (script) openmoko-community: Sean Moss-Pultz Re: Salesman & neo1973 May 24 11:49:08 give this a read when you have time, http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/08/06/kernel_patent_risks.html May 24 11:50:11 after that read comment 2 at the bottom May 24 11:58:40 this also: http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2169024/ballmer-warns-linux-lawsuits May 24 12:09:01 and this http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2187886/windows-patent-tax-pegged-21 May 24 12:41:24 counter May 24 12:41:24 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 55%) P1: 3 days 23:39:16 (3.986 +-4.0 days) (1263;212) May 24 12:56:47 Has anyone been able to install gcc 3.x on a FC6 box? May 24 12:57:12 DukeOfURL: if you look inside the qemu srpm there is a gcc3 for FC6 hidden inside May 24 12:57:33 hmm, how do I delete the touchscreen calibration data? :P May 24 12:57:42 rm /etc/pontercal May 24 12:58:45 XorA: thanks :) May 24 12:58:49 * ar1 hello to all May 24 13:02:29 LuitvD - Why do you want to delete it? May 24 13:03:14 Elrond: clicked like a maniac at calibration :P May 24 13:04:04 does anyone know the image type of openmoko-flash.image? May 24 13:04:34 raw May 24 13:04:42 XorA: is ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/extras/development/SRPMS/qemu-0.9.0-2.fc7.src.rpm the latest? May 24 13:04:43 so how do I mount it? May 24 13:05:05 LuitvD - You're on qemu? And openmoko-flash.image is 64MB? May 24 13:05:29 actually no, it changed to qcow2 format by default yesterday May 24 13:05:44 if it's 64MB (67 to be exact) it's raw May 24 13:05:51 Elrond: yes, it is May 24 13:06:06 Then the rootfs has a spefific offset in there. May 24 13:06:23 You first need a looß on that one, thaen mtd emulation on that, then jffs2 on the mtd. ;o) May 24 13:06:35 s/looß/loop/ May 24 13:06:35 Elrond meant: You first need a loop on that one, thaen mtd emulation on that, then jffs2 on the mtd. ;o) May 24 13:06:51 err... May 24 13:06:55 not sure how to do that... May 24 13:06:59 the mtd emulation part is the most tricky :) May 24 13:07:06 XD May 24 13:07:20 balrog-kun - really? (never tried it. A friend tried but it seems he failed) May 24 13:07:53 LuitvD - Why do you want to mount it anyway? May 24 13:07:54 i have also never tried, i don't know if any kind of tool exists to do that May 24 13:08:11 Elrond: to delete /etc/pontercal May 24 13:08:12 :P May 24 13:08:15 balrog-kun - MTD emulation on a blockdevice is a standard kernel feature. May 24 13:08:30 Elrond: ah, didn't know about it May 24 13:08:35 LuitvD - Boot qemu, ssh into the system and do "rm /etc/pontercal" May 24 13:08:47 Elrond: then the format of the image is probably not the raw format that the MTD emulation expects May 24 13:09:02 Elrond: I can ssh into qemu? :| May 24 13:09:14 it's /etc/pointercal (/etc/*cal will do) May 24 13:09:34 balrog-kun - That's why I say "first convert the part of the imge to a loop device". Check losetup(8) May 24 13:09:50 LuitvD - If you setup the networking correctly, yes. May 24 13:09:57 i see May 24 13:10:11 balrog-kun - losetup accepts offsets. May 24 13:10:50 DukeOfURL: no idea, I did it a year or so ago May 24 13:11:07 Elrond: however the format of the image is more "raw" than even losetup may be expecting May 24 13:11:49 balrog-kun - Oh wait. It has the oob data in it? May 24 13:11:58 Elrond: if you dissect a NAND chip, except normal data (page data) there is also a small OOB (out of band) area after each page May 24 13:12:01 yeah May 24 13:12:14 it's interleaved after the end of every page May 24 13:12:20 yuck. May 24 13:12:41 losetup will happily conert that to normal bytes in the blockdevice. ;-) May 24 13:12:56 But I have no idea, how MTD-on-blockdev really works. May 24 13:13:14 i guess the MTD emulator might be easily hacked to use that OOB parts May 24 13:13:16 s/MTD/MTD-emulation May 24 13:13:37 possibly. But someone has to do it. ;) May 24 13:13:44 So it might not be "out of the box". May 24 13:13:59 actually i have seen something called nand simulator in the kernel sources, it was an awful piece of code, with an amazing amount of typos May 24 13:14:31 all the comments and strings in it were non-gramatical and with typos too May 24 13:14:43 yuck. May 24 13:15:16 whats wrong with mtdram??? May 24 13:15:26 Hmmm... thinking again about it: Does neo-qemu support normal networking... and do our default kernels support it? May 24 13:15:48 just create an mtdram device dd if=image of=/dev/mtdX mount /dev/mtdX May 24 13:15:52 XorA - LuitvD needs mtd-emulation-on-blockdev, not mtdram. May 24 13:16:05 Ahh, that might work. May 24 13:16:15 XorA - Which leaves the oob-question. May 24 13:16:34 Elrond: what's normal networking? May 24 13:16:46 it supports almost exactly what the physical device supports May 24 13:16:49 Elrond: all he asked was to mount mtd, thats how you mount mtd without a nand driver :-) May 24 13:16:53 balrog-kun - Using non-usb. ;-) May 24 13:17:24 balrog-kun - Or is this usbfs thingy now stable? May 24 13:17:50 Elrond: well, it works for me :p dunno how stable it is May 24 13:17:59 hehe ;) May 24 13:18:10 (Guess NOW I know, why I like the real thingy ;o) ) May 24 13:18:31 except for the bluetooth it supports the same kinds of networking as an actual Neo May 24 13:19:11 ppp-over-rs232 ;o) May 24 13:20:21 HOw does one do the initial flashing of it? May 24 13:21:14 using devirginator May 24 13:21:43 (if you mean the real Neo) May 24 13:21:52 No, I mean the emulator. May 24 13:21:56 I know for the real hw. May 24 13:22:09 *admits* I haven't looked a lot at the emulator. May 24 13:22:24 then using something very similar to devirginator too May 24 13:22:53 i.e. loading the u-boot binary directly to the ram while the processor is suspended May 24 13:23:20 so it's 100% realistic from the beginning :) May 24 13:24:11 Ahh. Using gdbserver inside qemu? May 24 13:24:17 it says it can't mount... May 24 13:24:36 I dd'ed the image to /dev/mtd1 and tried to mount that ... May 24 13:24:49 am I missing someting? May 24 13:25:09 LuitvD - Yep, the offset. ;o) May 24 13:25:10 Elrond: nope, just reading the image file and writing the contents to the RAM before the VM starts May 24 13:25:41 balrog-kun - So qemu has now an option to preload RAM? May 24 13:25:41 Elrond: how? :P May 24 13:26:01 LuitvD - Using dd trickery. ;-) But don't ask me about the offsets. May 24 13:26:02 Elrond: that's what -kernel does in qemu for all architectures May 24 13:26:20 balrog-kun - Ahhh. I never looked at that. May 24 13:26:31 the PC emulator also can load bios images and vgabios from files May 24 13:26:53 and PXE rom for network booting May 24 13:27:25 Yeah, I know that. :-) May 24 13:27:43 Thinking about it, I should have guessed on that. May 24 13:35:57 counter May 24 13:35:57 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 55%) P1: 3 days 23:12:00 (3.967 +-4.0 days) (1264;212) May 24 13:56:54 counter? May 24 13:56:55 "/msg aloril counter?" for actual long message, giving short version here: http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 55%) P1: 3 days 23:01:31 (3.959 +-4.0 days) (1265;212) May 24 14:01:08 Does the counter-URL work for anyone? May 24 14:01:43 Oh, now it works. May 24 14:02:37 counter May 24 14:02:38 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 55%) P1: 3 days 22:58:39 (3.957 +-4.0 days) (1266;212) May 24 14:11:14 It would be really anticlimactic if the counter would reach negative numbers. May 24 14:11:34 ;o) May 24 14:11:41 heh May 24 14:13:43 tholin: nah, that'll never happen May 24 14:13:48 tholin: just increase the error margin May 24 14:16:02 hi May 24 14:16:20 heya May 24 14:17:29 openmoko: 03thomas * r2077 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-dialer/src/dialer-window-dialer.c: May 24 14:17:29 openmoko: openmoko-dialer: remove autolist functionality again as threads don't seem to May 24 14:17:29 openmoko: work too well May 24 14:51:05 FYI: To 'make qemu' on FC6, I had to 'yum install compat-gcc*' and 'yum install SDL_*'y May 24 14:51:39 s/'y/'/ May 24 14:51:39 DukeOfURL meant: FYI: To 'make qemu' on FC6, I had to 'um install compat-gcc*' and 'yum install SDL_*'y May 24 14:54:06 However, I get 'too many arguments to function `pxa27x_timer_init' in pxa2xx.c May 24 14:54:34 hah May 24 14:54:42 every time I see compat-gcc I twitch May 24 14:54:46 it means haxoring is afoot May 24 14:55:50 I really can't downgrade the box to an earlier FC, so my only option is to build new hardware $$$ May 24 14:55:55 "make qemu" doesn't work here either... though "make flash-qemu-local" does work... May 24 15:04:31 DukeOfURL: VMware May 24 15:04:45 yikes! May 24 15:04:56 its FC6 just use Xen May 24 15:09:34 is moko ok for x86_86 yet? about a month ago it threw errors. May 24 15:09:51 can you guys please add a section for using mokomakefile on fc to the wiki if the informations there are not good enough? May 24 15:10:03 i think that would help alot :) May 24 15:10:24 DukeOfURL: ah you are using x86_64? May 24 15:10:34 DukeOfURL: you are fairly fucked with regards to qemu then May 24 15:10:34 I tried about a month ago. May 24 15:11:47 what FC includes gcc-3.x? May 24 15:12:06 or am I on the wrong distro? May 24 15:13:15 DukeOfURL: debian/ubuntu is the easiest for OE work May 24 15:13:19 DukeOfURL: gentoo next May 24 15:13:26 DukeOfURL: then FC6, then SuSe May 24 15:13:56 can I boot Ubuntu from CD? May 24 15:14:07 DukeOfURL: yes, it comes as a live CD May 24 15:14:33 so I wouldn't have to reorg the development box? May 24 15:14:40 file system wise? May 24 15:14:50 DukeOfURL: you could just replace / May 24 15:15:04 k May 24 15:15:07 thanks May 24 15:15:26 DukeOfURL: then apt-get install gcc-3.4 will get you a gcc3 May 24 15:16:01 DukeOfURL: and if you look at OEAndYourDistro page in wiki there is a debian package that automatically installs all dependencies for OE May 24 15:16:19 k May 24 15:16:32 ~change 60 eur to gbp May 24 15:16:37 just watch out for the dash gotcha May 24 15:17:26 !google 60 EUR in GPB May 24 15:17:27 Did you mean: 60 EUR in GBP ? | Sign in @ https://www.google.com/accounts/Login?continue=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=60+EUR+in+GPB&safe=off&btnG=Search&lr=lang_all&hl=en | Layout 1 @ http://www.fidelity.co.uk/wealthmanager/funds/updates/16_euro.pdf%20class=l May 24 15:17:33 !google 60 EUR in GBP May 24 15:17:34 60 Euros = 40.9378485 British pounds May 24 15:17:51 !praise google May 24 15:17:52 * cdbot2 bows down to google and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" May 24 15:18:44 !google 60 EUR in CHF May 24 15:18:44 60 Euros = 99.3597 Swiss francs May 24 15:31:38 60 EUR in PGK does not work... May 24 15:35:29 counter? May 24 15:35:29 "/msg aloril counter?" for actual long message, giving short version here: http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 55%) P1: 3 days 22:12:14 (3.925 +-3.9 days) (1267;212) May 24 15:35:56 LaF0rge: you guys decide on a wireless chipset? May 24 15:36:23 Harald identified one in email... May 24 15:36:40 That was a few weeks ago--I don't see it in my recently-read list... May 24 15:38:24 ar6k May 24 15:42:10 yea, the post said they had pretty much decided on the ar6k, just didn't know if it was finally set in stone May 24 15:42:23 TimRiker: hey timmy May 24 15:46:42 prpplague: ols? May 24 15:48:22 TimRiker: probably not this year May 24 15:48:51 TimRiker: just getting the family moved back from overseas May 24 15:49:12 TimRiker: plus i didn't see any presentations that really jumped out at me on the list for this year May 24 16:01:11 openmoko: 03thomas * r2078 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-dialer/src/ (3 files): openmoko-dialer: remove more unused code, add some debugging messages May 24 16:15:10 gtg cu May 24 16:21:17 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] May 24 16:24:21 SpeedEvil: is this time from the GPS receiver GMT? May 24 16:29:12 I'm guessing it's gps time. May 24 16:29:29 xD May 24 16:29:35 good guess May 24 16:29:58 gps time does exist. It has an offset of 13 sec or something like that. May 24 16:30:42 that an artifact of time dilation and leap seconds or something? May 24 16:31:30 gps don't use leap seconds but real time does. May 24 16:31:57 yes, that's what I figured... May 24 16:33:07 tholin: offset from GMT? May 24 16:33:20 don't remember May 24 16:49:18 is gpsd working with the neo? May 24 16:56:07 haven't seen anything new on the gps issue so i think no May 24 17:02:27 counter May 24 17:02:28 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 55%) P1: 3 days 21:28:44 (3.895 +-3.9 days) (1268;212) May 24 17:09:52 How can one make bitbake a bit more chaty? So I see each cmpile? May 24 17:57:05 someone knows whats going wrong here with gsmd? May 24 17:57:07 http://www.pastebin.ca/507614 May 24 18:21:17 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:DaraParsavand]] May 24 18:27:49 woglinde: I don't see anything wrong with gsmd. this looks like the dialer was killed? May 24 18:28:30 Hy all!:) May 24 18:35:31 ph5 no I just used libgsmd-tool May 24 18:35:37 but R dont work May 24 18:35:41 it dont ask for my pin May 24 18:36:37 uh May 24 18:36:40 now it works May 24 18:37:09 woglinde: oh, ok. I always use the atcmd mode and AT+CPIN :) May 24 18:37:18 hm strange May 24 18:38:11 nice May 24 18:38:47 hm phonebook service segfautls May 24 18:40:01 pH5: do you have gsmd working again right out of OE using magician? May 24 18:43:01 openmoko: 03laforge * r2079 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/hxd8-core.patch: HXD8: Set LCM type S3C2410_LCDCON1_TFT (Johnny Wu) May 24 19:06:33 <3 openmoko project May 24 19:12:09 BTW: Has anyone ever seen the battery chgmode in something else then fast_cccv? May 24 19:20:29 counter May 24 19:20:29 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 55%) P1: 3 days 20:19:44 (3.847 +-3.8 days) (1269;212) May 24 19:26:48 openmoko: 03andrew * r2080 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/ (59 files in 8 dirs): Sync this week's changes from upstream. May 24 20:17:17 (script) openmoko-neo1973: Harald Welte Re: high speed parallel access to the CPU May 24 20:20:10 <[psy]> what bot are you guys using to show those svn commits? May 24 20:20:11 <[psy]> :) May 24 20:20:25 hm cia? May 24 20:21:17 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] May 24 20:21:21 cia.vc May 24 21:16:01 hmmm, anybody know of a page summarising the binary sizes of tinyx (kdrive) and its various optional libs (fonts, etc)? May 24 21:29:08 counter May 24 21:29:08 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 55%) P1: 3 days 19:15:24 (3.802 +-3.8 days) (1270;212) May 24 21:53:10 confidence dropping May 24 21:59:13 Weeee.... I finally have a cross-compile-environment on my box. :) May 24 21:59:55 Elrond: how many hours did it take to set that up? May 24 22:00:33 don-o - You mean except 5 hours compile time? May 24 22:00:43 Elrond: oe i assume? May 24 22:00:54 prpplague - oe / openmoko. May 24 22:01:41 don-o - Except the 5 hours compile time, it was like 2 hours fighting with mokomakefile. ;) May 24 22:02:01 Elrond: what distro are you running on your box? May 24 22:02:10 Elrond: what cpu/os did you build it on? May 24 22:02:53 prpplague - debian. But that's really unimportant, as this thing just builds everything, even for the host. May 24 22:03:52 don-o - cpu: pII-300 (except for the oe-monotone-download. I had to use a 2.6GHz p4 dual core to get that one in 120 cpu minutes), OS: Debian. May 24 22:06:38 Elrond: more important that you think, oe is pretty unforgiving on redhat/fedora May 24 22:06:44 s/that/than May 24 22:07:27 Oh, didn't know that. May 24 22:07:55 prpplague: I asked earlier, but you may know... just how big are the X binaries (aka kdrive)? May 24 22:09:18 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1025244 Jan 1 00:00 /usr/bin/Xfbdev May 24 22:10:16 Stephmw: sorry, i don't know specifically for the openmoko builds, i just hang around here to listen to the dev talk regarding the s3c24xx processors May 24 22:10:40 Elrond: thanks! May 24 22:10:48 Elrond: any deps? May 24 22:11:58 root@fic-gta01:~$ ipkg info xserver-kdrive-fbdev | grep Depends May 24 22:11:59 Depends: xserver-kdrive, libxfont1 (>= X11R7.1-1.2.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.10), libxau6 (>= X11R7.1-1.0.1), libfontenc1 (>= X11R7.1-1.0.2), libxdmcp6 (>= X11R7.1-1.0.1), libz1 (>= 1.2.3), libts-0.0-0 (>= 1.0), libc6 (>= 2.5), libgcc1 (>= 4.1.1) May 24 22:12:30 Elrond: right, hmm May 24 22:13:02 Elrond: instead of asking you all the time, should I just download an image and mount it? May 24 22:13:43 Stephmw - There is a .tar.gz of the impage on buildhost/tmp/deploy/. May 24 22:14:00 Stephmw - Just unpack and be happy. :) May 24 22:14:38 Elrond: great :) May 24 22:14:57 Stephmw - What are you looking for specifically anyway? May 24 22:15:45 Elrond: I'm trying to push a proposal at Sun to provide a proper headless version of java... one that understands about fbdev for instance May 24 22:16:06 Elrond: right now I have to argue about why I don't think having a separate x-server is a good idea May 24 22:16:22 Elrond: on a single-purpose device for instance May 24 22:17:03 Elrond: imo the app on the device should just export its display to a proper x server elsewhere... or use a local fbdev May 24 22:17:09 Ahh, so you're looking for arguments why an X-Server is "bad". ;) May 24 22:17:09 Elrond: directly. May 24 22:17:21 bad only for this usecase :) May 24 22:17:37 That's why I put the "bad" in quotes. May 24 22:17:40 if the has a need for multiple apps, then it's necessary May 24 22:17:48 * Stephmw hugs Elrond May 24 22:17:55 it's ok, I'm just a bit frazzled May 24 22:19:06 What's the meaning of "frazzled"? May 24 22:19:07 DukeOfURL: I test MokoMakefile on Debian Etch and CentOS 4 May 24 22:19:17 frazzle rock May 24 22:19:28 ok May 24 22:19:28 Elrond: ya know, hair everywhere after being hit by lightning May 24 22:19:48 Ahh. ;) May 24 22:19:53 Stephmw - For you: May 24 22:19:55 Elrond: Sun is still full of politics, the initial replies to my proposal weren't all encouraging May 24 22:20:03 PID USER STATUS RSS PPID %CPU %MEM COMMAND May 24 22:20:08 !google define:frazzled May 24 22:20:10 edgy; nervous; worn-out; at the end of one's endurance or tolerance. @ http://www.artistwd.com/joyzine/australia/strine/f-3.php ( http://www.google.com/search?hl=all&q=define:frazzled ) May 24 22:20:12 1067 root S < 7760 1048 0.0 6.1 Xfbdev May 24 22:20:17 see you tomorrow May 24 22:20:28 7mb resident. wow. May 24 22:20:48 I wonder if that would be less without the font dependencies May 24 22:21:12 I haven't looked into fonts on it for now. May 24 22:23:17 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Wish_List]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Guitar_Tuning]] [[GPS_Navigation]] May 24 22:27:18 Elrond: in case you're wondering about the font bits, Java provides its own TTF rasteriser, so X doesn't really need to support that in my usecase May 24 22:29:03 Stephmw - Ahh. May 24 22:35:42 Good night people. :) May 24 22:35:48 see ya! May 24 22:36:01 bye Elrond May 24 22:37:06 :) May 24 22:52:02 FYI, I posted a bunch of new phase0 Neo1973 pictures taken tonight (at LUG-BS) @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/lorphos/sets/72157600262308147/ May 24 22:54:14 hmm, nice pictures May 24 22:54:36 Thanks May 24 22:54:37 *sigh* May 24 22:54:46 the phone feels very nice, too May 24 22:55:00 I can imagine... May 24 22:55:11 what kind of cam did you use? May 24 22:55:17 but the software needs more lovin May 24 22:55:41 a Canon EOS 350D with EF 50mm f/1.8 and also some pictures using a Sigma 17-70mm macro May 24 22:56:02 1.8 :) lovely May 24 22:57:09 sorry, saw that EOS 350D part on flickr just after I asked :P May 24 22:57:12 XD May 24 22:57:35 np :) May 24 22:57:44 who'se P0 device is it? yours? May 24 22:57:52 i wish May 24 22:58:05 :P May 24 22:58:14 the same wish here May 24 22:58:24 i went to this: http://www.datenfreihafen.org/~stefan/weblog//archives/2007/05/#e2007-05-09T16_11_28.txt May 24 22:58:40 and they had like 3 phase0 units May 24 22:59:26 actually some where P1 i think May 24 22:59:32 not sure how to tell them apart really May 24 22:59:43 lol May 24 22:59:52 the internals are a little different May 24 22:59:53 do you know? May 24 23:00:10 not really visible on the outside except for battery life May 24 23:00:12 well that makes it hard to tell them apart i guess.. without opening them May 24 23:00:27 endurance-test :P May 24 23:00:39 well.. time to sleep.. laters May 24 23:00:44 later May 24 23:01:50 Lorphos: nice pics, thanks May 24 23:01:59 Lorphos: night May 24 23:04:13 webjames: pics so nice, they make you jump? :P May 24 23:04:35 * LuitvD saw you jump in and out of the room... May 24 23:04:55 LuitvD: jump? ahh i see, a case of mistaken window identity May 24 23:05:05 :P May 24 23:05:13 went a bit 'X' happy May 24 23:05:49 :P May 24 23:06:25 pics were good though, that screen is amazing, crisp and bright May 24 23:06:49 can't wait to get my hands on one, hope to hear news monday May 24 23:06:59 yeah, the EOS and that F/1.8 lens really does that device good :P May 24 23:07:00 counter May 24 23:07:01 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 55%) P1: 3 days 18:26:28 (3.768 +-3.8 days) (1271;212) May 24 23:08:12 i think if they're going to announce anything, prob be at the start of the week, as then end would not be in may May 24 23:08:12 on other pictures, the screen seemed to lack brightness, because of the bad lighting May 24 23:08:36 g'night guys May 24 23:08:44 'night Stephmw May 24 23:08:55 yeah, looks good, the casing also looks of an excellent quality May 24 23:09:03 night Stephmw[Zzzzz] May 24 23:10:23 i might have to go for the outrageous orange, but the black does look good May 24 23:10:48 openmoko: 03laforge * r2081 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (5 files): May 24 23:10:48 openmoko: * merge set-hwswp.patch into uboot-s3c2410_fb.patch May 24 23:10:48 openmoko: * move LCD controller register initialization into per-board function May 24 23:10:48 openmoko: * implement this function for neo1973 and qt2410 May 24 23:11:48 openmoko: 03laforge * r2082 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-gta02.patch: May 24 23:11:48 openmoko: * make sure memory bank configuration is correct for smedia May 24 23:11:48 openmoko: * add smedai framebuffer driver stub (just skeleton) May 24 23:14:35 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lorphos/sets/72157600262308147/ May 24 23:14:57 openmoko: 03laforge * r2083 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-hxd8.patch: implement [untested] hxd8 multiple nand chip support May 24 23:34:00 openmoko: 03laforge * r2084 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-hxd8.patch: enable framebuffer support on hxd8 May 24 23:34:24 yay, AIUI one of the hxd8 NAND chips is 512MB May 24 23:38:48 openmoko: 03laforge * r2085 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-20061030-qt2410.patch: * add dummy udc_ctrl() function to qt2410 code (fix compilation) May 25 02:22:17 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Press_Coverage]] **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri May 25 02:59:57 2007