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May 26 03:31:18 <aloril> (script) openmoko-community: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> Re: First impressions of Neo1973
May 26 03:33:13 <aloril> is Sean refering to P1 or P1+?
May 26 03:33:49 <aloril> first sentence sounds like P1+, second like P1
May 26 04:25:18 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem]]
May 26 05:10:48 <TimRiker> apt_: wantnick apt
May 26 05:33:45 <rwhitby> morning
May 26 06:16:18 <aloril> (script) openmoko-community: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> Re: HXD8?
May 26 06:26:10 <LoDown> counter
May 26 06:26:10 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 50%) P1: 3 days 02:46:53 (3.116 +-3.1 days) (1283;213)
May 26 06:26:19 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]]
May 26 07:59:19 <Hopscotch> good morning
May 26 07:59:46 <CM> morning :)
May 26 08:14:05 <LuitvD> mornin'
May 26 08:15:00 <CM> OpenMoko's GPS: http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/39229.html
May 26 08:26:18 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Bluetooth_Support]]
May 26 08:44:55 <pavelm> Hello, everyone.
May 26 08:45:24 <pavelm> I searched angstrom wiki and openmoko wiki... but still don't know. 
May 26 08:45:36 <pavelm> How do I get angstrom to run on neo?
May 26 08:46:02 <pavelm> Ipkg update (from phase1 machine) tries to load non-existent http://downloads.openmoko.org/snapshots/20070301/ipk/Packages.gz :-(
May 26 08:46:13 <pavelm> Hi, Magon!
May 26 08:46:37 <webjames> LuitvD: check out the ThinkPad x range, for example x40 x30 etc.. 12"
May 26 08:46:39 <CM> pavelm: Ask koen
May 26 08:47:36 <LuitvD> webjames: thanks :)
May 26 08:47:37 <pavelm> CM: Koen will eat me alive ;-).
May 26 08:47:48 <LuitvD> webjames: OMG, x-series tablet :D 
May 26 08:48:26 <webjames> LuitvD: yeah, pretty cool, well made as well you know that with the thinkpads, metal hinges etc..
May 26 08:48:35 <LuitvD> webjames: only thing is that it isn't 12" widescreen
May 26 08:49:22 <CM> pavelm: Hehe.. He tends to do that ;)
May 26 08:49:26 * CM hides
May 26 08:49:42 <webjames> LuitvD: ahh yes, i guess they are quite old now
May 26 08:50:22 <LuitvD> webjames: though for a nice price it could be interesting
May 26 08:50:43 <LuitvD> too bad it's a laptop based on the old centrino platform (nape)
May 26 08:51:14 <webjames> LuitvD: i would say less than 300
May 26 08:51:31 <LuitvD> webjames: a tablet pc for less then 300? :|
May 26 08:51:45 <webjames> LuitvD: oh maybe not the tablet one
May 26 08:51:50 <LuitvD> heheh
May 26 08:52:56 <pavelm> CM: If there's anyone else who got it working (and not yet eaten by koen), please speak up ;-).
May 26 08:53:35 <LuitvD> webjames: the x60 tablet is at least 1300 euro's
May 26 08:53:44 <LuitvD> 1400 even
May 26 08:53:48 <webjames> LuitvD: check out: http://www.tabletpcreview.com/default.asp?newsID=275 has fingerprint reader as well
May 26 08:53:55 <LuitvD> excluding vat
May 26 08:54:08 <webjames> i think that would be an amazing feature to have with the neo
May 26 08:54:18 <webjames> a fingerprint reader that is
May 26 08:54:54 <webjames> LuitvD: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X60-Tablet-6366_W0QQitemZ260121868651QQihZ016QQcategoryZ177QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
May 26 08:55:31 <LuitvD> that's 600 euros :|
May 26 08:55:35 <LuitvD> that's not much
May 26 08:57:24 <LuitvD> webjames: nah, I still prefer that HP Pavilion tx1127 :P
May 26 08:58:16 <webjames> LuitvD: the HP is nice
May 26 08:58:19 <pavelm> webjames: Fingerprint reader is basically useless.
May 26 08:58:28 <webjames> pavelm: how so?
May 26 08:58:50 <LuitvD> webjames: it has the same features as that thinkpad x60 or x40 tablet
May 26 08:58:51 <pavelm> webjames: You can't use it for encryption, and when it is not encrypted, it does not matter....
May 26 08:58:59 <michaelshiloh_> anyone up for a libgsmd-tool question?
May 26 08:58:59 <aloril> michaelshiloh_: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
May 26 08:59:00 <LuitvD> lol
May 26 08:59:00 <pavelm> ...on easily-stolen machine like neo, anyway.
May 26 08:59:55 <webjames> i meant like a pin, login thing, unlock thing
May 26 09:00:25 <Elrond> Well, your fingerprints are all over your neo. ;-)
May 26 09:00:35 <Elrond> Take them and fool the fingerprint reader ;)
May 26 09:01:22 <webjames> Elrond: yeah, but aparently it reads the electrical signature of the print, so if your finger was cut of it would only work for ~15mins after
May 26 09:01:24 <Elrond> pavelm - You tried to a repos of prebuild armv4t binary .ipk, or what?
May 26 09:01:46 <Elrond> webjames - All of that can be fooled, really.
May 26 09:02:18 <webjames> Elrond: ah, o well, how about camera with iris recognition?
May 26 09:02:30 <webjames> or facial recognition
May 26 09:02:48 <Elrond> Oh, and if your fingerprint is not good on your phone, use your tfid reader and get the fingerprint from your new all-cool ID card ;o)
May 26 09:03:08 <drath> heh, webjames just found the killer argument why neo needs a camera :)
May 26 09:03:27 <pavelm> elrond: No, you just steal the neo. 
May 26 09:03:36 <pavelm> elrond: and then you read the flash using jtag.
May 26 09:03:55 <Elrond> webjames - The basic problem with all these things is: They must be fuzzy. So it still recognizes you after you drank 20 beers. ;o)  And that fuzziness makes them weak.
May 26 09:04:11 <Elrond> pavelm - Right, that anyway
May 26 09:04:12 <webjames> pavelm: therefore encryption is the answer, but what way to lock/unlock that encryption
May 26 09:04:13 <pavelm> elrond: I'd love to try prebuild .ipk's, yes.
May 26 09:04:32 <pavelm> webj: Fingerprints _do not work_ for unlocking encryption.
May 26 09:04:53 <pavelm> webj: You can't md5 fingerprint and use that as a key!
May 26 09:05:11 <Elrond> Because the fingerprint is always a little different.
May 26 09:05:35 <webjames> pavelm: no, but what interesting way are there to do that, passwords are so last year...! :)
May 26 09:05:41 <Elrond> warm weather... small blood vessels
May 26 09:06:12 <Elrond> webjames - passwords are the current best thing.
May 26 09:06:27 <Elrond> ... use them to unlock an RSA key, which then is your SSO key :)
May 26 09:06:47 <mjr> a suitable complex squiggle would work, divvying the screen into segments and taking a series of them as the passkey
May 26 09:06:55 <mjr> would have to be somewhat long though
May 26 09:06:58 <Elrond> pavelm - I was googling for prebuild .ipk yesterday.  Of course I only got drugs for koen ;o)
May 26 09:07:24 <Elrond> mjr - Quite long.
May 26 09:07:44 <pavelm> elrond: Prebuilt binaries seem to be on http://angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/ ...
May 26 09:09:05 <Elrond> pavelm - Hmm, they're eabi?
May 26 09:09:21 <pavelm> elrond: They should be
May 26 09:09:30 <pavelm> elrond: Is it as easy as changing /etc/ipkg/base-feed.conf ?
May 26 09:09:47 <Elrond> pavelm - openmoko is OABI.
May 26 09:10:15 <Elrond> ... at least I think so.
May 26 09:10:31 <pavelm> elrond: Are you sure? I think koen runs his stuff on openmoko.
May 26 09:10:33 <Elrond> pavelm - Yep, it should be as easy as that. Or just wget individual .ipk :)
May 26 09:10:50 <pavelm> elrond: Plus openmoko is incompatible with everyone exactly because of being eabi.
May 26 09:10:51 <Elrond> pavelm - koen runs OE and builds everything by hand.
May 26 09:11:17 <pavelm> elrond: and uploads it to his http://angstrom-distribution.org/ website ;-).
May 26 09:11:20 <Elrond> neo% file hello-world
May 26 09:11:29 <Elrond> hello-world: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (ARM), for GNU/Linux 2.4.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.4.0, not stripped
May 26 09:11:49 <Elrond> Looks like OABI to me... let me download some .ipk from angstrom
May 26 09:14:19 <Elrond> neo% wget 'http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv4t/base/libpython2.4-1.0_2.4.4-ml1_armv4t.ipk'
May 26 09:14:28 <Elrond> neo/1/usr/lib% file libpython2.4.so.1.0 
May 26 09:14:32 <Elrond> libpython2.4.so.1.0: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), stripped
May 26 09:14:36 <Elrond> EABI, I thihk.
May 26 09:14:37 <webjames> pavelm: lets hope a small dna reader comes along, then we could use an unbreakable one time pad
May 26 09:15:01 <Elrond> webjames - Well, you leave your DNA around everywhere.
May 26 09:15:10 <pavelm> web: dna is not random.
May 26 09:15:32 <webjames> hmm.. back to the drawing board
May 26 09:15:58 <Elrond> pavelm - DNA is at least non-changing, so md5'ing it would work. Main question would be, how many bits you get (excluding the non-random part)
May 26 09:16:16 <pavelm> elrond: Actually, http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/ has both arm and arm-oabi.
May 26 09:16:17 <Elrond> ... of course ignoring my first argument, that you leave your dna everywhere.
May 26 09:16:22 <pavelm> So pick one ;-)
May 26 09:16:46 <pavelm> elrond: I do not think DNA is "non-changing" at the "whole cell" level. Still doubt md5 would work.
May 26 09:17:02 <pavelm> elrond: plus it is 700MB :-)
May 26 09:17:06 <Elrond> pavelm - The arm-oabi does't look like "for armv4t", just for armv-we-dont-know ;o)
May 26 09:17:14 <webjames> okay so i guess a password/pin would be the best way
May 26 09:17:48 <pavelm> elrond: But I still think openmoko is eabi.
May 26 09:17:57 <pavelm> elrond: Because openmoko is incompatible with everyone and newer.
May 26 09:18:24 <pavelm> have to go, bye bye!
May 26 09:18:31 <Elrond> pavelm - Let me download a fresh .ipk from openmoko. :)
May 26 09:18:38 <Elrond> Bye pavelm!
May 26 09:18:52 <Elrond> pavelm - ONe question: Where you lucky to run gllin on P0?
May 26 09:19:09 <pavelm> no gllin on p0 :-(
May 26 09:32:05 <Elrond> pavelm - You're back?
May 26 09:32:05 * pavelm is back --- from zaurus -- and travelling.
May 26 09:32:13 <Elrond> hehe :)
May 26 09:32:27 <Elrond> pavelm - Did you try to copy the gllin from P1 to P0?
May 26 09:32:39 <pavelm> elrond: did any of the binaries work?
May 26 09:33:47 <Elrond> pavelm - You mean from angstrom? Did you try yet. I'm reboot the P0 to try gps with different kernels.
May 26 09:34:16 <ossman> did you guys see this: http://www.spectec.com.tw/sdw823.htm ?
May 26 09:34:21 <ossman> wlan without hw mod :)
May 26 09:35:18 <Elrond> ossman - ;)
May 26 09:35:25 <guaqua> interesting
May 26 09:35:28 <pavelm> Elrond: there was no gllin on phase0, so yes, I had to copy it.
May 26 09:36:12 <Elrond> ossman - BTW: I talked to my friend and gave him the SD-(for SPI)-URL from you. His problem was: What to do with the non-needed pins of the SD card. Connect to pull-down, or pull-up?
May 26 09:36:35 <Elrond> pavelm - But with the copied one it did not work, right?
May 26 09:37:19 <pavelm> elrond: I could not get it to work :-(
May 26 09:37:47 <ossman> Elrond, pull-up if we're talking about dat[1-3]
May 26 09:38:19 <ossman> but I'm unsure exactly how spi uses the pins
May 26 09:38:50 <Elrond> ossman - I have not looked at the hw-spec myself... maybe I should do that soon. I want the spi thing to work too. ;)
May 26 09:39:13 <Elrond> pavelm - Same here.
May 26 09:39:47 <ossman> if you're hacking linux, then talk to David Brownell
May 26 09:40:01 <ossman> he's been working on it for some time
May 26 09:40:07 <Elrond> pavelm - If I were much better at hw things, I'd try to get a P1 and put both next to each other and put probes on the PCB ;)
May 26 09:40:22 <Elrond> ossman - No. 8051 uC.
May 26 09:41:50 <pavelm> Elrond: I guess you can find enough info in kernel patches.
May 26 09:42:05 <pavelm> elrond: look for 'if phase(0)'...
May 26 10:05:30 <Elrond> pavelm - Yeah, I'll look at it again.
May 26 10:07:06 <Elrond> Bus 001 Device 014: ID ffff:1300  
May 26 10:07:14 <Elrond> Hey... That's noname. Cool. ;o)
May 26 10:24:04 <CoreDump|home> hi
May 26 10:26:18 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_compatible_cellphone_providers]]
May 26 10:46:31 <mikesh> counter
May 26 10:46:31 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 50%) P1: 3 days 00:36:43 (3.025 +-3.0 days) (1284;213)
May 26 12:26:18 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Optical_Character_Recognition]]
May 26 12:27:18 <hrw> someone know which kernel version we should use on devices? 2.6.20.x or 2.6.21.x?
May 26 13:15:34 <sannes> counter
May 26 13:15:34 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 50%) P1: 2 days 23:22:11 (2.974 +-3.0 days) (1285;213)
May 26 13:35:31 <webjames> hrw did you find out which kernel version?
May 26 13:35:36 <hrw> no
May 26 13:38:56 <webjames> hrw, maybe here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kernel#General seems to indicate 20
May 26 13:39:07 <webjames> but could be patched to 21
May 26 13:42:36 <hrw> that page is old
May 26 13:43:44 <webjames> o..
May 26 13:51:57 <hrw> webjames: 2.6.21 is correct
May 26 13:52:09 <hrw> bye
May 26 13:52:20 <webjames> hrw, cool. bye
May 26 14:14:50 <balrog-kun> ossman: do you have an idea why CMD3 may be failing? i now have the dmesg on my screen with MMC_DEBUG enabled but i have no means to transfer it to the PC
May 26 14:15:26 <balrog-kun> CMD3 is the first command that fails in the sequence (reporting Card Error) but it does write a sane looking "relative address" in the response
May 26 14:26:18 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User_talk:Maui_Addicted]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Main_Page]]
May 26 14:32:41 <balrog-kun> oh, nevermind, the omap folks forgot to take R6 into account (again!) and treated it as R1, while the omap hardware does distinguish betwen them - now it stops at CMD9
May 26 14:40:51 <koen> balrog-kun: troubles with the CSD register?
May 26 14:44:14 <balrog-kun> koen: i don't know, it is likely the host driver's fault
May 26 14:45:02 <koen> was the big omap merge schedules for .22 or .23?
May 26 14:47:10 <balrog-kun> the arch/ and include/ part has been mostly merged now, and the rest i think depends on when rmk will have time to review. iirc he didn't find time in the .22 merge window
May 26 14:47:50 <koen> ah, right
May 26 14:50:54 <yavannadil> beg your pardon, was anyone successful recently with MokoMakefile and qemu? I try to run 'make qemu' and it keeps saying 'U-boot failed to finish writing in 300 seconds, giving up.'
May 26 14:52:00 <guaqua> yes
May 26 14:52:04 <guaqua> worked for me
May 26 14:52:48 <yavannadil> any ideas why doesn't it work? Neither in 300, nor in 900, 1800 etc. seconds...
May 26 14:54:12 <guaqua> so this is when the qemu is running?
May 26 14:55:08 <yavannadil> well, as I understand it, when it's trying to flash  rootfs image into NAND
May 26 14:55:25 <guaqua> mmh
May 26 14:58:12 <yavannadil> Should it write anything informative after 'Please wait, programming the NAND flash...' ?
May 26 14:58:39 <guaqua> i don't know
May 26 14:58:52 <guaqua> never looked at the terminal when it was doing it :)
May 26 14:59:24 <balrog-kun> yavannadil: can you try without MokoMakefile?
May 26 15:00:16 <balrog-kun> yavannadil: webjames had exactly the same problem before - qemu hung after the "Please wait..." message and did nothing
May 26 15:00:19 <balrog-kun> i don't know why yet
May 26 15:00:27 <yavannadil> That's my next idea, but, according to wiki, it means just calling the same flash.sh by hand, if I'm not mistaken...
May 26 15:01:12 <yavannadil> and without MM it worked?
May 26 15:01:18 <balrog-kun> yavannadil: hmm, yes, maybe you'll also have to call download.sh by hand too because MokoMakefile does someting with the directories
May 26 15:01:22 <balrog-kun> yavannadil: yes
May 26 15:01:48 <yavannadil> o, thanks, will try and then bother everyone later :)
May 26 15:02:05 <balrog-kun> but then i think there was one person for whom it would also hang without MokoMakefile
May 26 15:02:28 <yavannadil> hm... 
May 26 15:02:29 <balrog-kun> i haven't found any relation between when it happens and the system configuration yet
May 26 15:02:42 <yavannadil> I run Ubuntu Feisty
May 26 15:03:30 <guaqua> same here
May 26 15:03:45 <guaqua> which build of openmoko are you using?
May 26 15:03:53 <yavannadil> just before I leave: is it necessary to put everything into /home/moko?
May 26 15:04:14 <balrog-kun> but yes, it should spit whole lots of stuff after the Please wait message, the script would then detect it and wouldn't fail
May 26 15:04:21 <yavannadil> don't know, just 'make update-makefile; make update; etc.'
May 26 15:04:38 <guaqua> i have it in /home/username/moko
May 26 15:04:46 <yavannadil> so do I
May 26 15:05:47 <yavannadil> it failed for me twice before (with different errors), so I try to get latest version for every new attempt
May 26 15:05:58 <yavannadil> never worked yet :(
May 26 15:06:33 <yavannadil> and with 1-1.5 week between attempts, it's rather slow :(
May 26 15:07:04 <yavannadil> well, leaving to try qemu without MM
May 26 15:07:26 <webjames> yavannadil: paste this into a file and run it: http://dpaste.com/11077/
May 26 15:08:24 <webjames> this is the script that i use, mokomakefile didn't work for me, this did. it also is a lot quicker
May 26 15:12:03 <webjames> you'll have to change the dir (2nd line)
May 26 15:15:39 <LuitvD> so anybody else interested in that HDX8 stuff? :P
May 26 15:17:04 <webjames> okay here's an updated file, just paste it into a file and make it executable then run it: http://dpaste.com/hold/11078/
May 26 15:18:39 <webjames> yavannadil: see above, hope this helps
May 26 15:33:27 <webjames> bye bye
May 26 15:36:02 <_buz> LuitvD: my guess is hxd8 is a mp4 player thingy
May 26 15:36:26 <_buz> lots of flash and a widescreen
May 26 15:36:42 <_buz> and wifi
May 26 15:37:14 <_buz> maybe this is what zune could have been
May 26 15:37:53 <_buz> or then it is a iphone killer
May 26 15:37:59 <_buz> if it has gsm
May 26 15:42:39 <bmidgley> is there any way to try out the gps
May 26 15:43:30 <koen> bmidgley: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hammerhead_protocol
May 26 15:45:30 <tholin> bmidgley: here is some info http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/
May 26 16:00:57 <Rince> Hmm
May 26 16:01:07 <Rince> das qemu need Framebuffer?
May 26 16:01:21 <Rince> when I try to do the "make qmeu" it complaints about missing /dev/fb or /dev/fb0...
May 26 16:02:46 <roh> Rince it should not need it. it usually uses sdl
May 26 16:02:51 <Rince> hmm
May 26 16:03:00 <Rince> (!) Direct/Util: opening '/dev/fb0' and '/dev/fb/0' failed
May 26 16:03:00 <Rince>     --> No such file or directory
May 26 16:03:00 <Rince> (!) DirectFB/FBDev: Error opening framebuffer device!
May 26 16:03:00 <Rince> (!) DirectFB/FBDev: Use 'fbdev' option or set FRAMEBUFFER environment variable.
May 26 16:03:09 <Rince> (!) DirectFB/Core: Could not initialize 'system' core!
May 26 16:03:09 <Rince>     --> Initialization error!
May 26 16:03:09 <Rince> Could not initialize SDL - exiting
May 26 16:03:25 <roh> eh... what do you try there
May 26 16:03:39 <Rince> I just did a "make qemu"
May 26 16:03:46 <Rince> or better:
May 26 16:03:47 <Rince> ( cd build/qemu ; arm-softmmu/qemu-system-arm \
May 26 16:03:47 <Rince>                 -M neo -m 130 -usb -show-cursor \
May 26 16:03:47 <Rince>                 -mtdblock openmoko/openmoko-flash.image \
May 26 16:03:47 <Rince>                 -kernel openmoko/openmoko-kernel.bin )
May 26 16:04:14 <roh> ah.. you have directfb installed and it tries to link against it?
May 26 16:06:46 <roh> eh.. the lines youve postet suggest it tried to execute and youve compiled it successfully against directfb which cannot find the framebuffer
May 26 16:07:59 <bmidgley> fwiw, i have bluetooth powering on consistently now
May 26 16:08:12 <bmidgley> had to power on and reset in a script so they happen one after the other
May 26 16:09:26 <balrog-kun> Rince: if your SDL build doesn't support X, or DISPLAY is not set, SDL will probe other devices
May 26 16:13:02 <roh> balrog-kun yeah... that sounds like it... i just were thinking how qemu can run on directfb
May 26 16:15:52 <balrog-kun> i think other than no mouse input, everything should work
May 26 16:26:18 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Current_events]]
May 26 16:27:43 <Richard> Hi,  does anyone knowwhere  I down libosc8k?
May 26 16:42:04 <Rince> hm
May 26 16:42:14 <Rince> ok, I'll try it another way... thanks ;)
May 26 17:05:09 <guaqua> alan cox on the openmoko-apps list...ooh
May 26 17:05:12 <guaqua> superstars around ;)
May 26 17:05:44 <ewon> I've been drinking with Alan Cox
May 26 17:05:46 <ewon> nice guy
May 26 17:06:49 <guaqua> :)
May 26 17:06:57 <guaqua> they mostly are
May 26 17:07:11 <ewon> I've been meaning to meet Ulrich Depper
May 26 17:07:17 <ewon> mostly so I can poke him in the eye
May 26 17:50:27 <Elrond> Is it me, or did the buildhost build nothing since the 22th?
May 26 18:01:39 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: It's the buildhost not you :)
May 26 18:01:54 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: You like something newer?
May 26 18:05:13 <zecke> anyone worked with GtkLayout?
May 26 18:07:39 <PBeck> hi
May 26 18:22:29 <Elrond> stefan_schmidt - Kernel with patches from revision 2072. ;-)
May 26 18:22:38 <Elrond> (gps module fixes)
May 26 18:23:12 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: ok, give me a moment (food).
May 26 18:23:38 <Elrond> stefan_schmidt - No need to panic. If the buildhost will be fixes within the next days, it's fine.
May 26 18:34:39 <kiney> counter
May 26 18:34:39 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 50%) P1: 2 days 20:42:39 (2.863 +-2.9 days) (1286;213)
May 26 18:41:24 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: http://people.openmoko.org/stefan/uImage-2.6-moko10-r0_0_2079_0-fic-gta01.bin
May 26 18:45:20 <Elrond> stefan_schmidt - :-))
May 26 18:48:35 <Elrond> Hmm, is the gsm modem connected to the PMU?
May 26 18:49:20 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: No idea, why?
May 26 18:51:04 * stefan_schmidt flashes bleeding edge u-boot/kernel/rootfs to reproduce some of the recent bugs
May 26 18:52:42 <Elrond> stefan_schmidt - Because a friend wanted to know, if one can really cut the gsm module from the power. The normal sysfs powermanagement-gsm driver just sets a pin on the SoC, so it just sets a pin on the gsm. The module still gets power, it seems.
May 26 18:54:08 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: I would need to dig out the schematics, try to understand and would still not be sure what I'm allowed to say. :)
May 26 18:54:36 <Elrond> :-)
May 26 18:54:47 <Elrond> I'm currently digging through the PMU init code. ;)
May 26 18:56:02 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: As far as I know we have full control over the BP, but not sure if that's includes total power off.
May 26 18:56:42 <Elrond> Right, and that's the question. ;o)
May 26 18:57:39 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: I know :)
May 26 19:06:50 <Elrond> stefan_schmidt - http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/doc/hardware/GTA01Bv4/pmu-voltage.txt  doesn't look like we have full control over the power.
May 26 19:08:20 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: hmm, it seems.
May 26 19:18:38 <parag0n__> counter?
May 26 19:18:39 <aloril> "/msg aloril counter?" for actual long message, giving short version here: http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 50%) P1: 2 days 20:20:39 (2.848 +-2.8 days) (1287;213)
May 26 19:19:09 <parag0n__> i wonder if the 24th run ever actually happened
May 26 19:23:20 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: Is there any doc how kernel module building, packaging into rootfs and perhaps autoloading is done? Or is it reads the source?
May 26 19:24:40 <mmp> Hello, sorry for asking things I could read, but it's just quick idea...
May 26 19:25:11 <mmp> Neo1973 doesn't have any hardware blitter, which slows it down a bit...
May 26 19:25:42 <mmp> on PXA, there are some DMA channels available for general purpose, serving as a "copy engines"
May 26 19:26:04 <mmp> doesn't S3C contain something like that as well?
May 26 19:26:29 <mmp> I guess it might be then used as very simple hardware blitter, although all the compositing has to be done in software... .
May 26 19:26:42 <Hopscotch> yeah, s3c can do that
May 26 19:26:59 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: hehe, I'm not certain about the current situation. But there is a bbclass to build external modules (example would include hostap), packaging into rootfs by making the neo machine file RRECOMMEND or RDEPEND it (this might have changed), autoloading by inheriting update-modules and asking the module to be autoloaded (I can search an example)
May 26 19:28:00 <mmp> I'm still not sure about the gain in speed, but maybe someone could try to measure that... it could possibly save few hundreds of cycles... .
May 26 19:28:39 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: packages/hostap/hostap-modules.inc an example for building external modules
May 26 19:29:16 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: 1) modules are not external 2) modules are already build 3) I take a look at the RRECOMMEND adn RDEPENDS 4) thanks
May 26 19:29:23 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: packages/linux/linux-rp.inc for autoloading modules
May 26 19:29:33 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: ah, cool
May 26 19:29:46 <mmp> Hopscotch: any idea whether it is real/how it would affect performance? :) (I have never played with these things on PXA)
May 26 19:29:55 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: module_autoload_mmc_block_collie = "mmc_block" this should make the mmc_block_collie package load mmc_block
May 26 19:30:16 <Hopscotch> mmp: haven't tried it either
May 26 19:30:36 <Hopscotch> mmp: and i'm not sure if it is possible to program line sizes and skip values
May 26 19:30:36 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: ok, sounds easy
May 26 19:30:48 <Hopscotch> mmp: otherwise only full screenwith can be blitted
May 26 19:31:01 <SpeedEvil> I'm pretty sure you'd need to reset the DMA thingy for each line
May 26 19:31:14 <mmp> Hopscotch: I think you can tell DMA processor how many data it has to copy...
May 26 19:31:20 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: change MACHINE_EXTRA_RRECOMMENDS in the machine conf
May 26 19:31:22 <SpeedEvil> And at 480 lines - every 60Hz, that's a nasty burden.
May 26 19:31:35 <SpeedEvil> Not as bad as doing it by hand.
May 26 19:31:46 <mmp> SpeedEvil: I'm not sure, but there are more DMA channels... . That could help a bit... .
May 26 19:32:01 * mmp guesses
May 26 19:32:03 <SpeedEvil> Hmm. You mean do several lines at once.
May 26 19:32:04 <SpeedEvil> Maybe.
May 26 19:32:07 <mmp> yes
May 26 19:32:19 <mmp> and setting up DMAs again only after they are all drawn
May 26 19:32:31 <Hopscotch> there's always the method of painting into offscreen memory and then swapping pages in hardware
May 26 19:32:50 <SpeedEvil> Doesn't help much with smooth moves though.
May 26 19:35:39 <Hopscotch> true
May 26 19:36:15 <Hopscotch> but without the ability to skip a number of bytes every line you can't use that dma engine...
May 26 19:36:49 <SpeedEvil> A DMA engine that could handle scatter/gather would do.
May 26 19:39:05 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: ok, I added the sound module to MACHINE_EXTRA_RRECOMMENDS. Is there a recommended way for modules that are not needed for the machine itself but should anyway go into the rootfs?
May 26 19:39:54 <zecke> scratches head, well the next best thing would be distro?
May 26 19:40:08 <zecke> e.g. it is a distro decision to ship ipsec by default or not
May 26 19:40:59 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: Perhaps, I'm just not sure how mickey|lunch like to have it organized.
May 26 19:41:15 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: I play a bit more with this stuff. Thanks
May 26 19:41:40 <zecke> hmm orginsation is the enemy of chaos?
May 26 19:42:29 <mmp> SpeedEvil, Hopscotch: well, I don't know what DMA engines on s3c can handle... . But I guess it could be possible to have somehow minimize losses when it comes to line-by-line copying... .
May 26 19:42:44 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: heh, cu you at ccc camp? :)
May 26 19:43:07 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: Ah, I think we see us at LinuxTag, right?
May 26 19:43:22 <zecke> hopefully
May 26 19:43:32 <zecke> haha "2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2"
May 26 19:43:42 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: :)
May 26 19:44:01 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: Why hopefully? No time?
May 26 19:45:15 <zecke> hopefully for the camp, for the LinuxTag I might be forced to hack at the LinuxTag
May 26 19:45:53 <stefan_schmidt> ok
May 26 19:46:43 <SpeedEvil> Or overloAded values of +
May 26 19:55:33 <bmidgley> what is the /home/root/DM2 that pavel machek is referring to
May 26 19:55:54 <bmidgley> apparently it has gllin and a working earphone alsa state file
May 26 19:56:06 <hrw> morning
May 26 19:56:11 <CoreDump|home> hey hrw 
May 26 19:56:21 <hrw> bmidgley: DM2 is set of soft on bv4 phones which p0 devs got
May 26 19:56:41 <bmidgley> hmm I didn't get it
May 26 19:56:47 <bmidgley> where?
May 26 19:56:53 <hrw> in /home/root
May 26 19:57:38 <bmidgley> hrw: not in my /home/root (empty)
May 26 19:57:56 <hrw> bad luck?
May 26 19:58:21 <balrog-kun> i though only p1 people had it
May 26 19:58:44 <CoreDump|home> only the original P1 image had it
May 26 19:58:52 <balrog-kun> right
May 26 19:59:26 <bmidgley> I did not back up the image that came with this phone
May 26 19:59:36 <bmidgley> but it wouldn't work (kernel module mismatch)
May 26 20:01:46 <bmidgley> I filed a bug for a missing alsa state file
May 26 20:01:54 <bmidgley> maybe it is in /home/root/DM2/audio/ after all
May 26 20:03:13 <bmidgley> I also filed a bug because stereoout.state does not work as advertised hmm
May 26 20:03:30 <bmidgley> pavel refers to play_wav_earphone.state
May 26 20:03:33 <stefan_schmidt> bmidgley: DM2 was only for factory testing. The alsa state files should be in the normal rootfs
May 26 20:03:36 <hrw> balrog-kun: p1 phase is not yet started in full..
May 26 20:04:14 <stefan_schmidt> bmidgley: I'll look into this bug later today
May 26 20:04:37 <bmidgley> ok
May 26 20:05:46 <bmidgley> I couldn't match up the alsa controller names with the labels in the wolfson docs
May 26 20:05:52 <stefan_schmidt> bmidgley: That are the alsa state files we currentyl have in rootfs: http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/oe/packages/alsa/files/
May 26 20:06:05 <stefan_schmidt> bmidgley: yeah, alsa controls are a pain in this phone. :)
May 26 20:06:26 <stefan_schmidt> bmidgley: That why we let the wolfson guys do the alsa state files. :)
May 26 20:06:33 <bmidgley> I thought I would write the systembluetooth state but I can't figure out what is going on
May 26 20:07:15 <hrw> alsa controls are pain on WMxxxx codecs
May 26 20:07:20 <hrw> they are too complex
May 26 20:07:41 <stefan_schmidt> bmidgley: Normally Xora and lrg hanging out here. Both are working for wolfson and should be able to help you perhaps
May 26 20:08:05 <bmidgley> stefan_schmidt: what timezone?
May 26 20:08:11 <zecke> bmidgley: U.K.
May 26 20:09:42 <stefan_schmidt> Anybody still have the delievered image on the P1 and can tell me if there are different state file then here? http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/oe/packages/alsa/files/
May 26 20:12:03 <stefan_schmidt> In the DM2 folder I mean
May 26 20:13:56 <hrw> when finally openmoko drop that md-desktop1 crap...
May 26 20:15:19 <stefan_schmidt> hrw: What exactly you refer to?
May 26 20:15:19 <hrw> stefan_schmidt: there are few others
May 26 20:15:24 <balrog-kun> there are the loopback_* and play_wav_*.state files 
May 26 20:15:52 <zecke> WebKit victory is near :}
May 26 20:15:54 <hrw> stefan_schmidt: are you able to use that small up/down icons which are in top right corner to navigate?
May 26 20:16:20 <stefan_schmidt> hrw: Besides they re to small they work
May 26 20:16:40 <hrw> stefan_schmidt: they work IF you ARE able to select them
May 26 20:16:45 <stefan_schmidt> hrw, balrog-kun: Can you upload this file somewhere?
May 26 20:16:54 <stefan_schmidt> hrw: heh, indeed
May 26 20:17:16 <hrw> it is guessing where this time I had to point stylus to press them
May 26 20:17:20 <stefan_schmidt> hrw: In the end we will not use the desktop but the mainmenu instead
May 26 20:17:25 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: do you know if one can sleep in the GSM village? (at the camp?)
May 26 20:17:44 <hrw> stefan_schmidt: mainmenu is?
May 26 20:17:50 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: I hope so. We plan to build our tend there. :)
May 26 20:17:56 * hrw is lost in openmoko naming
May 26 20:18:17 <hrw> menu, window menu, mainmenu, tasklist, task switcher
May 26 20:18:28 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: sleep with shelter/roof without a tent
May 26 20:18:49 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: ah, no idea
May 26 20:19:02 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: I'm not certain that doku will join me and having a single tent doesn't sond like fun
May 26 20:19:15 <stefan_schmidt> hrw: moment
May 26 20:19:34 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: We will come with a SG30 (30m^2 tent)
May 26 20:20:20 <stefan_schmidt> hrw: main menu is the app which displays all the app icons and have the fingerwheel to navigate.
May 26 20:20:21 <balrog-kun> stefan_schmidt: try http://www.numenor.art.pl/balrog/alsa/
May 26 20:20:30 <stefan_schmidt> balrog-kun: thanks
May 26 20:21:52 <stefan_schmidt> balrog-kun: Will they stay there for some time or should I copy them over when I like to link them from the bugreport?
May 26 20:22:40 <hrw> I would add to bugtracker anyway
May 26 20:23:08 <stefan_schmidt> hrw: You mean the files directly?
May 26 20:23:14 <hrw> yes
May 26 20:23:26 <stefan_schmidt> hrw: sounds like a good idea, indeed. :)
May 26 20:23:48 <mmp> SpeedEvil, Hopscotch: Err, I thought s3c has more than 4 DMA engines; I'm not sure whether this amount can significantly help and not hurt other parts of system... .
May 26 20:23:54 <stefan_schmidt> I'll take care of this.
May 26 20:23:57 <hrw> what if someone want to read bug and balrog machine will be down?
May 26 20:24:39 <stefan_schmidt> bmidgley: It seem this files will not help you, too. No system -> bt profile
May 26 20:26:28 <balrog-kun> stefan_schmidt: if it's not very critical you can link to this address
May 26 20:26:31 <bmidgley> stefan_schmidt: ok. btw, I also checked out play_wav_earphone.state. still not stereo
May 26 20:26:42 <bmidgley> but at least it turns of the ext speaker
May 26 20:27:01 <stefan_schmidt> balrog-kun: I'll add them to the bug directly as hrw suggested
May 26 20:27:08 <balrog-kun> stefan_schmidt: okay, cool
May 26 20:27:12 <balrog-kun> (the machine has had zero downtime in last 54 days)
May 26 20:27:39 <bmidgley> maybe there's a bug somewhere else
May 26 20:27:57 <bmidgley> I looked at the wolfson docs and couldn't figure out how you'd accidentally get left/right mixed down
May 26 20:28:09 <hrw> shit
May 26 20:28:19 <hrw> my bv3 has charge-die loop again ;(
May 26 20:28:56 <balrog-kun> i'm now playing with the modem and the modem brand responses at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AT_Commands appear to have been fixed, i.e. correct names are reported
May 26 20:29:00 <balrog-kun> :)
May 26 20:29:02 <balrog-kun> do i update the page?
May 26 20:29:16 <hrw> balrog-kun: bv3 does not report, bv4 does 
May 26 20:29:40 <balrog-kun> ah okay, i thought someone intentionally obscured the strings :)
May 26 20:31:26 <balrog-kun> is there a reason to not give out your IMEI number?
May 26 20:33:26 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: okay, I will book a place in your tent then
May 26 20:33:47 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: noted
May 26 20:34:42 <stefan_schmidt> balrog-kun: The bv4 has a new GSM frimware image
May 26 20:34:46 <stefan_schmidt> firmware even
May 26 20:35:39 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: are you preparing an official P1 image?
May 26 20:35:55 <hrw> ~lart openmoko bitbake
May 26 20:36:11 <zecke> hrw: why?
May 26 20:36:22 <hrw> zecke: parse time
May 26 20:36:24 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: no, just try to fix some bugs. mickey|lunch seems a bit overloaded
May 26 20:36:31 * apt wallops openmoko bitbake with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing.  It won't take long
May 26 20:37:12 * stefan_schmidt thinks we need a counter how often hrw uses the lart command a day. ;)
May 26 20:38:00 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: official P1 images are for puppies :)
May 26 20:38:01 <hrw> stefan_schmidt: ;D
May 26 20:38:22 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: I want to lend my neo to a puppy
May 26 20:38:38 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: oh
May 26 20:39:03 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: You should try to get girls without hardware ;)
May 26 20:39:39 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: don't make me cry. I'm working on it though
May 26 20:40:19 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: She will come, for sure
May 26 20:40:50 <zecke> hehe
May 26 20:40:57 <stefan_schmidt> balrog-kun: ok, I have added the files to the bug. You can remove them if you like
May 26 20:41:54 * zecke flips a coin and decides to shave
May 26 20:42:17 <slider> hm...how long does it take to build the openmoko-devel-image at average? :)
May 26 20:42:17 <aloril> slider: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
May 26 20:42:54 <stefan_schmidt> slider: 3,5h if you have all sources already and a AMD X2 4600 with 4GB RAM
May 26 20:43:24 <stefan_schmidt> slider: Without the sources it depends on your internet connection
May 26 20:43:26 <hrw> ~lart openmoko^Wfic for lack of normal ps in rootfs
May 26 20:43:26 * apt gives openmoko^Wfic a good seeing to for lack of normal ps in rootfs
May 26 20:43:41 <slider> 2ghz singlecore without sources...so maybe tomorrow i guess :)
May 26 20:43:53 <stefan_schmidt> hrw-lart-counter++;
May 26 20:43:59 <CoreDump|home> hrw: the ps thingy is driving me nuts as well
May 26 20:44:05 <pavelm> Hello, everyone.
May 26 20:44:20 <stefan_schmidt> slider: Let it do his job tonight :)
May 26 20:44:33 <pavelm> stefan: oh now , lart counter just overflowed.
May 26 20:44:52 <hrw> matchbox-desktop-2 is much better then 1
May 26 20:44:54 <hrw> hi Pavel
May 26 20:45:12 <stefan_schmidt> pavelm: it's a long and I started it just 10 minutes ago :)
May 26 20:45:20 <hrw> CoreDump|home: few other things too but I lack time to play more with neo to complain enough
May 26 20:45:49 <CoreDump|home> hrw: complaining is of no use. Reaction times to bugreports are a little bit "high"
May 26 20:46:17 <stefan_schmidt> hrw: btw, I'll submit my startup-monitor applet for panel-2 to mallum next week
May 26 20:46:32 <hrw> CoreDump|home: sometimes I do some neo related things which are pushed by not only me to coreteam to look at them
May 26 20:46:42 <stefan_schmidt> CoreDump|home: Just add patches and we gat faster ;)
May 26 20:46:59 <hrw> stefan_schmidt: really?
May 26 20:47:04 <hrw> !ombug 564
May 26 20:47:05 <cdbot2> * * Bug 564, Status: RESOLVED (INVALID), Created: Unknown
May 26 20:47:06 <cdbot2> * * gronslet(AT)gmail.com: MokoMakefile: cmd_mfsl.c:32:21: error: asm/asm.h: No such file or directory
May 26 20:47:07 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=564
May 26 20:47:08 <CoreDump|home> stefan_schmidt: did once, didn't help.
May 26 20:47:13 <hrw> !ombug 566
May 26 20:47:15 <cdbot2> * * Bug 566, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown
May 26 20:47:16 <cdbot2> * * openmoko(AT)hrw.one.pl: settings-daemon recipe NEED updating
May 26 20:47:17 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=566
May 26 20:47:29 <hrw> 566 is critical even
May 26 20:47:50 <hrw> as it break upgrades totally
May 26 20:47:50 <stefan_schmidt> ok guys, I'll poke mickey|lunch once he is online again
May 26 20:48:47 * hrw want separate /boot partition on neo ;D
May 26 20:50:13 <hrw> o.. new theme has smaller fonts
May 26 20:54:54 * hrw will run powertop on neo..
May 26 20:56:45 <hrw> after recompilation of kernel and dfu
May 26 21:20:10 <hrw> http://blog.haerwu.biz/tmp/grab.png
May 26 21:20:51 <goxboxlive> hrw: looking good
May 26 21:23:13 <goxboxlive> hrw: is the screeni from the FIC phone? 
May 26 21:23:19 <hrw> yes
May 26 21:23:49 <Elrond> hrw - What app do you use to show this nice list?
May 26 21:24:05 <hrw> matchbox-desktop-2
May 26 21:24:36 <Elrond> Is that in the default image?
May 26 21:24:45 <hrw> no
May 26 21:28:07 <goxboxlive> I builded a openmoko-image today and tried it out on my Universal but the text and folders where twice as big as usual (yes i have a vga screen). Looked like i was running the image on a qvga screen.
May 26 21:30:35 * pavelm is back, this time hopefully for real.
May 26 21:31:22 <hrw> pavelm: how goes gps hacking?
May 26 21:32:38 <pavelm> hrw: phase1 + gllin -> mostly working gps, so I guess I have other toys right now.
May 26 21:33:08 <hrw> pavelm: bridge it to BT so neo will work as BT-GPS :)
May 26 21:34:49 <pavelm> hrw: I played with that already ;-). It works on a pc, and I guess I could make it run on neo, too.
May 26 21:35:15 <pavelm> hrw: But gps does not have signal here, so such games are time-consuming.
May 26 21:35:38 <Elrond> stefan_schmidt - You still alive?
May 26 21:35:39 <hrw> happens
May 26 21:35:53 <pavelm> (Is there any way to get recent history of this irc channel? I've seen discussion that looked interesting, but then my machine crashed).
May 26 21:35:57 <pavelm> Hi, Elrond.
May 26 21:36:09 <pavelm> Elrond: So what is the result of neo vs. oabi vs. eabi?
May 26 21:36:17 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: Always, but give me a moment
May 26 21:36:39 <Elrond> pavelm - I did not fully it more. I compiled python + pyserial finally. :-)
May 26 21:36:54 <Elrond> pavelm - But now u-boot doesn't like me.
May 26 21:37:06 <hrw> ~logs
May 26 21:37:25 <pavelm> ~logs
May 26 21:37:28 <apt> i guess logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz
May 26 21:37:40 <hrw>   94.6% (200.2)       <interrupt> : S3C2410 Timer Tick
May 26 21:37:51 <hrw> 200 wakeups per second????
May 26 21:37:54 <apt> [logs] apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz
May 26 21:38:35 <pavelm> thanks, hrw
May 26 21:38:41 <Elrond> hrw - That's the normal timer clock, not wakeup.
May 26 21:38:44 <wehttamb_> counter
May 26 21:38:44 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 50%) P1: 2 days 19:10:36 (2.799 +-2.8 days) (1288;213)
May 26 21:39:07 <hrw> Elrond: I did not get it on x86/amd64
May 26 21:39:35 <zecke> hrw: we don't use dynticks yet?
May 26 21:39:40 <Elrond>            CPU0       
May 26 21:39:40 <Elrond>              0:     275589    XT-PIC-XT        timer
May 26 21:40:06 <pavelm> hrw: ...unfortunately that means I'll have to wait few hours to see the logs :-(.
May 26 21:40:18 <Elrond> 100Hz, 2755 secs, looks like 46min uptime, which is close.
May 26 21:40:27 <pavelm> ...that would certainly explain why openmoko gets warm while turned on.
May 26 21:41:05 <hrw> pavelm: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/t/#openmoko.log
May 26 21:41:13 <hrw> pavelm: whole month
May 26 21:42:11 <pavelm> You don't have permission to access /tmp/hrw/t/#openmoko.log on this server
May 26 21:42:31 <hrw> pavelm: retry
May 26 21:42:55 <pavelm> Thanks a lot!
May 26 21:43:12 <hrw> zecke: they are in kernel. but not enabled ;( will reboot
May 26 21:44:09 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: ok, here I am
May 26 21:44:46 <Elrond> stefan_schmidt - Does that match: 83cbdc0b33d4d90c4e26da198bcbdbe8  uImage-2.6-moko10-r0_0_2079_0-fic-gta01.bin ?
May 26 21:45:20 <Elrond> stefan_schmidt - Because I loaded it into RAM and u-boot complains about "Verifying Checksum ... Bad Data CRC".
May 26 21:46:02 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: moment
May 26 21:48:09 <stefan_schmidt> 83cbdc0b33d4d90c4e26da198bcbdbe8  uImage-2.6-moko10-r0_0_2079_0-fic-gta01.bin
May 26 21:48:29 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: So yes
May 26 21:49:10 <hrw> fscking usb serial
May 26 21:50:14 * Elrond is reading dfu code in u-boot. ;-)
May 26 21:51:19 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: Le me try to flash it on bv4
May 26 21:52:56 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: Works fine here
May 26 21:53:42 <stefan_schmidt> BTW, if anybody has problems with dfu and has the neo connected to a hub please try it again directly connected to pc
May 26 21:54:06 <stefan_schmidt> There are problems reported with a hub between
May 26 21:54:27 <stefan_schmidt> I added a note to the wiki, but you guys are mostly faster for answers :)
May 26 21:54:29 <stefan_schmidt> http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Dfu-util&curid=2018&diff=8821&oldid=8281
May 26 21:55:39 <Elrond> stefan_schmidt - Okay... Story: I do not flash new kernels. I load them into the neo's RAM using DFU. Then I boot the RAM via u-boot's usbserial. Normally works nicely. This time I had to DFU it two times, because u-boot decided to read some fun from flash after the first DFU.
May 26 21:56:38 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: ah, ok
May 26 21:57:12 <Elrond> stefan_schmidt - I made a photo of the NEO doing that. ;-) (excluding my second DFU load)
May 26 21:57:22 <Elrond> stefan_schmidt - I'll upload it to flickr tomorrow.
May 26 22:00:16 <pavelm> ...I have may19 image here.. and I'd like to install some software from angstrom.
May 26 22:00:37 <pavelm> ...unfortunately ipkg update gives me 404.
May 26 22:04:23 <hrw> pavelm: normal
May 26 22:04:37 <hrw> I have own local feed
May 26 22:05:29 <hrw> and especially for stefan_schmidt:
May 26 22:05:30 <pavelm> hrw: could we point ipkg at angstrom/something else working by default?
May 26 22:05:41 <hrw> ~lart neo for not recognizing my sim card
May 26 22:05:41 * apt smacks neo up side the head with a clue-by-4 for not recognizing my sim card
May 26 22:05:50 <hrw> pavelm: openmoko has feed
May 26 22:05:59 <hrw> but in other place
May 26 22:06:10 <stefan_schmidt> hrw-lart-counter++;
May 26 22:06:11 <hrw> I have it on bv3 but it decided to die again
May 26 22:06:45 <zecke> hrw-lart-counter
May 26 22:07:08 <hrw> pavelm: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/ipk/ and subdirs
May 26 22:07:11 <zecke> ~hrw-lart-counter
May 26 22:07:22 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: heh, I'm not a IRC scripter
May 26 22:07:40 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: well, somehow this works over at the webkit channel ;)
May 26 22:07:55 <stefan_schmidt> Perhaps a fun job for aloril2 
May 26 22:08:19 * Elrond is installing python on "his" neo. ;-)
May 26 22:08:34 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: heh
May 26 22:09:08 <pavelm> unfortunately angstrom's armv4t packages are incompatible with openmoko
May 26 22:10:06 <hrw> pavelm: openmoko is oabi
May 26 22:10:28 <pavelm> ...and  http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/ipk/ does not seem to contain "basic" stuff like bash.
May 26 22:10:54 <hrw> pavelm: build it by yourself?
May 26 22:11:24 <Elrond> stefan_schmidt - BTW: Your kernel also does not support the backlight on Bv03. ;-)
May 26 22:11:48 <pavelm> hrw: I thought it is eabi. Ok, that means I should be able to "just run debian/arm" in chroot?
May 26 22:12:20 <hrw> pavelm: your and your way....
May 26 22:12:36 <hrw> it reminded me 'please, do not follow pavelm way' post 
May 26 22:12:57 <hrw> pavelm: grab mokomakefile and build what you want
May 26 22:13:12 * pavelm is downloading debian/arm now :-)
May 26 22:13:29 <hrw> lamer
May 26 22:13:34 <balrog-kun> i think it should be trivial to recompile all of openmoko with an eabi toolchain
May 26 22:13:36 <Elrond> pavelm - If you want python, you can have my *.ipk. :-)
May 26 22:13:56 <hrw> balrog-kun: it is even easier if you just install angstrom on phone 
May 26 22:14:21 <balrog-kun> hrw: well, or any other distro
May 26 22:14:27 <pavelm> hrw: How do I "just install angstrom" on phone?
May 26 22:14:30 <balrog-kun> i think debian also has en eabi version
May 26 22:14:33 <pavelm> hrw: I'd pretty much like to do that.
May 26 22:14:43 <pavelm> balrog: Yes, but arm/eabi seems in beta now.
May 26 22:14:44 <hrw> balrog-kun: unofficial only
May 26 22:14:57 <hrw> pavelm: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/images/
May 26 22:15:28 <balrog-kun> pavelm: things can stay in "beta" for years on debian ;)
May 26 22:15:40 <pavelm> hrw: That gives me nice "not found" page.
May 26 22:16:10 <hrw> moment
May 26 22:16:16 <zecke> victory is near :}
May 26 22:16:21 <hrw> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/
May 26 22:18:19 <pavelm> hrw: Thanks, I did not know about that one. I attempted to search for it but no luck.
May 26 22:18:45 <Elrond> YES!
May 26 22:18:58 <Elrond> The GPS on the P0 gives me some bytes! :-)
May 26 22:19:01 <zecke> there are no uclibc EABI ARM images
May 26 22:19:11 <pavelm> Elrond: How did you do that?
May 26 22:19:28 <Elrond> pavelm - Got a _very_ fresh kernel from stefan_schmidt :-)
May 26 22:19:31 * hrw goes to bed - see you guys
May 26 22:19:53 <Elrond> pavelm - checkin 2072 fixes a stupid bug in the kernel. It gives 1.5V on a 2.5V line to the gps. ;-)
May 26 22:20:20 <pavelm> elrond: Ouch ;-).
May 26 22:20:29 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: congrats
May 26 22:20:35 <pavelm> Could someone check "http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Binary_compatibility"? I'm pretty new to oabi vs. eabi etc.
May 26 22:21:23 <hrw|gone> pavelm: then please do not create such pages...
May 26 22:21:24 <pavelm> elrond: Fast, launch gllin :-).
May 26 22:21:37 <hrw|gone> pavelm: oabi can be hardfloat or softfloat
May 26 22:21:44 <hrw|gone> softfloat has few versions
May 26 22:21:54 <hrw|gone> arm OABI world is nightmare
May 26 22:22:18 <hrw|gone> and endianness does not have nothing to say
May 26 22:22:22 <pavelm> hrw: Such page needs to exist.. to explain the nightmare.
May 26 22:22:26 <hrw|gone> arm/eabi on LE
May 26 22:22:28 <hrw|gone> arm/eabi on BE
May 26 22:22:41 <hrw|gone> pavelm: then find proper one and put only link in wiki
May 26 22:22:52 <pavelm> Okay, so there are more flavours. Is arm/eabi actually used?
May 26 22:23:07 <hrw|gone> nokia use eabi on tables
May 26 22:23:09 <pavelm> hrw: I could not find proper one. Debian listed oabi/eabi/big endian.
May 26 22:23:10 * hrw|gone goes to bed
May 26 22:23:14 <hrw|gone> cu
May 26 22:23:34 <Elrond> Night hrw :-)
May 26 22:23:41 <pavelm> good night!
May 26 22:23:51 <Elrond> pavelm - Officially I do not have gllin. ;-)
May 26 22:26:23 <pavelm> elrond: Then you'll have to say "I feel like this would get a gps fix if I only had gllin".
May 26 22:26:48 <Elrond> pavelm -  ;-)
May 26 22:26:59 <Elrond> pavelm - BTW: Do you know anything about the cmdline params of gllin?
May 26 22:28:18 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Binary_compatibility]] [[Main_Page]] [[Dfu-util]]
May 26 22:29:03 <pavelm> elrond: gllin -low 3 is nice to test if communications work
May 26 22:29:19 <pavelm> elrond: it also inits the gps; then do cat /tmp/nmeaNP, switch consoles, do gllin cold
May 26 22:31:00 <Elrond> pavelm - Ahh. :-)
May 26 22:31:24 <Elrond> I should get a longer usb cable to get the neo closer to the window first ;)
May 26 22:33:13 <pavelm> elrond: do gllin -low 3 first. That does not need window.
May 26 22:39:04 <pavelm> ...flashing angstrom now.
May 26 22:45:41 <pavelm> ...missing libxcb :-(.
May 26 22:47:00 * LuitvD is gone now
May 26 22:47:09 <LuitvD> bye y'all
May 26 23:01:16 <Elrond> stefan_schmidt - BTW: Another way to get modules in the rootfs: let task-base depend on them. (I just wanted to make some space on my rootfs, and tried to remove unneeded modules and task-base kept me from doing that.)
May 26 23:03:40 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: ok, thanks for the hint
May 26 23:05:42 <pavelm> Elrond: So... does the gps work now?
May 26 23:06:24 <Elrond> pavelm - I have not tried with gllin. I have a .c from ph5, which does some basic tests. And that one worked.  I guess, it's like gllin -low 3.
May 26 23:06:54 <zecke> Elrond: well EXTRA_MACHINES_RRECOMMENDS are used by task-base
May 26 23:09:49 <Elrond> zecke - Ahh. ;o)
May 26 23:13:08 <pavelm> Angstrom-x11-image-test-20070524-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 seems to work better...
May 26 23:27:16 <pavelm> ...yay, now i have bash :-)
May 26 23:29:30 <Elrond> pavelm - But now gllin wont work any more, I'd guess. ;o)
May 26 23:32:12 <pavelm> Elrond: Ouch :-(
May 26 23:32:19 <pavelm> Elrond: Back to square one.
May 26 23:32:27 * pavelm hates hates hates binary-only crap.
May 26 23:36:40 <Elrond> pavelm - Try "~lart binary-only crap" ;o)
May 26 23:44:26 <zecke> wtf, I have almost working scrollbars :)
May 26 23:46:31 <Elrond> zecke - What are you going?
May 26 23:46:51 <zecke> GtkLayout for the WebKit FrameView
May 26 23:47:12 <zecke> currently it was only able to scroll by scrolling the renderLayer
May 26 23:48:42 <Elrond> Ahh. :)
May 26 23:51:15 <pavelm> ~lart binary-only crap.
May 26 23:51:27 <pavelm> ...I guess I could create small chroot just for gllin?
May 26 23:51:30 * apt strangles binary-only crap. with a doohicky mouse cord
May 26 23:51:59 <zecke> pavelm: you could let it run in qemu on your neo
May 26 23:52:01 <pavelm> ...that may be right thing, anyway. gllin _belongs_ in chroot jail.
May 26 23:55:11 <pavelm> Anyone tried GPE^2? Screenshots look cool....
May 26 23:56:27 <zecke> lol, the German Tagesschau speaker named the G8 participants hostake-takers :)
May 26 23:56:31 <zecke> pavelm: build it with OE
May 26 23:58:16 <pavelm> "hostage-takers"?
May 26 23:59:02 <pavelm> ...I guess I should just carry two fic phones with me. One to run gllin, and second to run the rest of code...
May 27 00:01:18 <Elrond> *G*
May 27 00:01:19 <zecke> pavelm: right
May 27 00:01:32 <Elrond> zecke - Can you please give the german word too? ;)
May 27 00:04:34 <pavelm> so... I got python to work on openmoko (using angstrom), but python-gtk is broken :-(
May 27 00:04:45 <pavelm> File "/data/build/koen/OE/build/tmp/angstrom/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/python-pygtk2-2.10.3-ml3/image/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py", line 48, in ?
May 27 00:04:46 <pavelm> ImportError: No module named cairo
May 27 00:05:38 <zecke> ouch, this is worth than a rpath
May 27 00:05:59 <zecke> pavelm: you might have luck taking this up with mickeyl
May 27 00:08:03 <Elrond> pavelm - Get python-cairo installed.
May 27 00:08:33 <Elrond> zecke - It's not mickey's job, as pavelm is not using openmoko there. ;)
May 27 00:11:00 <pavelm> Elrond: ipkg install python-pycairo seems to be close.
May 27 00:12:18 <zecke> Elrond: well, this python edition says 'ml'. But yes I don't want mickeyl to overload himself even more
May 27 00:13:10 <zecke> any git-format-patch expert around?
May 27 00:13:50 <pavelm> elrond: I installed python-pycairo, but still get same message. Do I need to run some kind of python-update-your-modules?
May 27 00:16:07 <Elrond> pavelm - In theory not. I don't know angstrom too well.
May 27 00:16:35 <Elrond> zecke - What did the Tagesschau speaker say in german?
May 27 00:18:12 <zecke> Elrond: "Die G8 Geiselnehm Entschuldigung die G8 Teilnehmer"
May 27 00:18:50 <Elrond> *biggrin* :-)
May 27 00:20:44 <Elrond> Good night people :-)
May 27 00:21:07 <pavelm> good night, elrond!
May 27 00:28:18 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User_talk:Idarwin]]
May 27 01:28:30 <Vegar> Elrond: did you try your neo in the sun?
May 27 01:37:04 <rwhitby> Elrond, stefan_schmidt: re getting modules in the rootfs - use RRECOMMENDS instead of RDEPENDS - then ipkg doesn't complain about task-base not being complete if someone wants to ipkg remove those modules.
May 27 01:38:25 <rwhitby> pavelm: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/ has live logs, current 24 hours and past 24 hours in -prev, and archive in the subdir.
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