**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 29 02:59:57 2007
May 29 03:16:27 <drcode> hi all
May 29 03:16:31 <drcode> any one up
May 29 03:17:22 <bmidgley> y
May 29 03:17:32 <drcode> I need some help
May 29 03:17:44 <drcode> I am looking for h323 mcu in open source
May 29 03:18:01 <drcode> for video confrence
May 29 03:18:24 <bmidgley> openh323.org has an openmcu subproject
May 29 03:18:42 <bmidgley> you're going to run h323 on moko? :)
May 29 03:18:46 <drcode> is it support video 
May 29 03:18:52 <drcode> and is there other project?
May 29 03:18:53 <aloril> drcode: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
May 29 03:19:12 <drcode> what is openmoko?
May 29 03:19:17 <drcode> it support video?
May 29 03:19:18 <bmidgley> it's the only one i know about and i'm not sure about its status
May 29 03:19:30 <drcode> k
May 29 03:19:33 <bmidgley> you may be in the wrong channel... openmoko is a phone project
May 29 03:19:51 <drcode> k
May 29 03:19:52 <drcode> thanx
May 29 03:20:00 <arw_hal9000> openmoko, free apps, over free people in his hands
May 29 03:20:18 <drcode> like skype?
May 29 03:20:29 <arw_hal9000> no
May 29 03:20:52 <arw_hal9000> openmoke is, like  openmoko 
May 29 03:21:07 <arw_hal9000> s/openmoke/openmoko
May 29 03:21:18 <bmidgley> traditional cellphone hardware running an open linux system
May 29 03:21:26 <drcode> k
May 29 03:21:32 <drcode> I read about it some where
May 29 03:21:36 <arw_hal9000> drcode: look that: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page
May 29 03:21:39 <drcode> it support sip and so
May 29 03:21:41 <drcode> yes
May 29 03:21:54 <drcode> I read about  , it change the phone hardware
May 29 03:21:59 <drcode> great project
May 29 03:22:02 <arw_hal9000> :)
May 29 03:27:01 <arw_hal9000> i'm tired..
May 29 03:27:09 <arw_hal9000> see you tommorrow
May 29 03:27:12 <arw_hal9000> bye
May 29 04:18:29 <jackey> hey guys
May 29 04:19:15 <jackey> how can i connect P0 via USB?
May 29 04:19:22 <jackey> using minicom something
May 29 04:38:48 <jackey> drivers/usb/class/cdc-acm.c: This device cannot do calls on its own. It is no modem.
May 29 04:39:03 <jackey> there is no /dev/ttyACM0 device
May 29 04:39:21 <jackey> anyone know why?
May 29 04:41:57 <crackfiend> Has anybody heard from Sean et al. about whether or not we'll be seeing the phone "perhaps late May"?
May 29 04:44:45 <crackfiend> [elevator music]
May 29 04:47:33 <aloril> not heard anything yet
May 29 04:48:00 <jackey> hi guys
May 29 04:48:05 <jackey> can u guys help me here.
May 29 04:48:17 <jackey> I got a Neo1973 last week
May 29 04:54:07 <aloril> wiki has page about usbnet or something (don't recall page name)
May 29 05:23:14 <jackey> can not make a call
May 29 05:23:18 <jackey> really wried
May 29 05:23:53 <jackey> my parts showed GTA01B_V4
May 29 05:24:03 <jackey> is that means it is a Phase0
May 29 05:42:32 <aloril> phase0 is gta01bv3, phase1 is gta01bv4, phase1+/phase2 is gta02
May 29 05:51:52 <bmidgley> jackey: where did you find the gta01b_v4 written?
May 29 05:51:57 <bmidgley> doh he's gone
May 29 05:52:06 <bmidgley> where do I find my model number
May 29 05:52:25 <CM> bmidgley: I think it's on the back under the battery or something
May 29 05:53:33 <bmidgley> hmm I thought I had a late model p0 but this one says gta01b_v4
May 29 05:53:59 <CM> Ok, that's one of the early p1 then :)
May 29 05:55:10 <bmidgley> well i hope the problems i've seen are just in software :)
May 29 06:01:16 <bmidgley> I thought the bluetooth radio was bad but found it works...
May 29 06:01:43 <bmidgley> if I power it on and immediately reset the bluetooth chip (as in script them)
May 29 06:02:17 <bmidgley> maybe all the p1's will be like that
May 29 06:05:18 <CM> I've heard that bluetooth works for others too :)
May 29 06:29:09 <sannes> bmidgley: I don't have a phone, but alot of bluetooth chips (the two sticks I have tested) have exactly the same issue, won't work until I reset the chip (hcitool reset or whatever it is) ..
May 29 06:30:22 <CM> OpenMoko time-traveling gps: http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/39659.html
May 29 06:31:22 <CM> aloril: Maybe your script should check pavels blog too, at least when it mentiones OpenMoko :)
May 29 06:32:44 <aloril> actually it only checks http://planet.openmoko.org
May 29 06:46:45 <high-rez> counter
May 29 06:46:45 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: a day 14:36:36 (1.609 +-1.6 days) (1314;218)
May 29 06:59:10 <sumasuma> openmoko projects page disabled ?
May 29 06:59:16 <sumasuma> when it will be up again ?
May 29 07:07:36 <rwhitby> CM: pavel should get his blog syndicated at planet.openmoko.org 
May 29 07:11:15 <CM> rwhitby: Who to ask for that?
May 29 07:12:25 <CM> mickey|lunch: Who set up the OpenMoko Planet? What about adding http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com ? :)
May 29 07:19:27 <bmidgley> sannes: I have to power and reset it using the power management directly
May 29 07:19:44 <bmidgley> sannes: the adapter won't even attach to the usb bus until I do that
May 29 07:22:42 <fish_> re
May 29 07:38:29 <TRIsoft> morning
May 29 07:42:02 <webjames> morning morning
May 29 07:47:45 <sannes> bmidgley: ah, well, not the same issue then :P
May 29 07:47:47 <sannes> counter
May 29 07:47:47 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: a day 14:06:05 (1.588 +-1.6 days) (1315;218)
May 29 07:57:36 <Fletch_work> counter
May 29 07:57:36 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: a day 14:01:10 (1.584 +-1.6 days) (1316;218)
May 29 08:31:34 <Stephmw> mornin
May 29 08:31:41 <LuitvD> good morning
May 29 08:31:54 <LuitvD> I'm off for some breakfast
May 29 08:33:19 <aloril> (script) planet: Marcin "hrw" Juszkiewicz: How to check does GSM modem works http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/05/29/how-to-check-does-gsm-modem-works/
May 29 08:33:19 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Hardware_Developer/es]] [[Hardware_Developer]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Wish_List_UserProfile_Employee]] [[Wish_List_UserProfile_Child]] [[Wish_List]]
May 29 08:56:16 <Hopscotch> good morning
May 29 08:56:23 <ewon> o/
May 29 09:00:09 <webjames> morning
May 29 09:01:21 <hrw> morning
May 29 09:33:49 <zecke> is AT+CFUN=1->ERROR bad?
May 29 09:36:53 <tholin> zecke: if you have not read hrw's latest blogpost do that. 
May 29 09:37:31 <tholin> but I have no idea of what I am talking about. Dont even have the hardware.
May 29 09:38:02 <zecke>  /ignore tholin  then ;)
May 29 09:39:03 <tholin> My advice might still be helpfull. The advice was enter pin number.
May 29 09:39:39 <zecke> AT+CFUN=0 toggle it off
May 29 09:39:43 <zecke> AT+CFUN?
May 29 09:39:45 <zecke> it says it is off
May 29 09:39:48 <hrw> zecke: and disable modem
May 29 09:39:49 <zecke> AT+CFUN=1
May 29 09:39:49 <zecke> ERROR
May 29 09:39:57 <hrw> zecke: AT+CMEE=2 and then AT+CFUN=1
May 29 09:40:14 <hrw> AT+CMEE=2 enable text error messages
May 29 09:41:31 <hrw> zecke: helped?
May 29 09:42:12 <zecke> hrw: partly, it claims it is now on and needs a SIM PIN, refuses to take it though. Anyway time to start work
May 29 09:42:42 <hrw> zecke: AT+CPIN="pin" does not work? if not then check pin
May 29 09:43:17 <zecke|bcast>  wow the TI modem is even more crappy than the ones of Siemens :}
May 29 09:43:21 <Stephmw> hmmm, if you've tried too many times it might be locked, no?
May 29 09:43:51 <yacc> zecke|bcast: how so?
May 29 09:43:52 <hrw> Stephmw: I do not know does it not depend on modem
May 29 09:44:06 <zecke|bcast> Stephmw: AT+CPIN? would require PUK1 in this case and not SIM PIN
May 29 09:44:17 <yacc> Stephmw: SIMs usually need a PUK after 3 false tries.
May 29 09:44:37 <balrog-kun> my SIM card started working yesterday and strangely enough i didn't need to enter the PIN a single time
May 29 09:44:49 <balrog-kun> i could make calls, without knowing the PIN
May 29 09:44:53 <Stephmw> lol
May 29 09:44:59 <yacc> balrog-kun: it's possible to deactivate the PIN on a SIM.
May 29 09:45:00 <hrw> balrog-kun: Heyah card?
May 29 09:45:11 <Stephmw> so is PIN/PUK1/PUK2 enforced by phone software?
May 29 09:45:17 <balrog-kun> hrw: Idea, (orange)
May 29 09:45:40 <hrw> balrog-kun: I have Heyah card here which is PINless
May 29 09:46:05 <balrog-kun> yacc: on my older phone, with the same card, i had to enter the PIN on every powering on
May 29 09:46:21 <balrog-kun> and it would fail if i gave a wrong one
May 29 10:00:00 <SpeedEvil> http://www.grand-illusions.com/acatalog/info_Metal_Pen_Keyring.html was the keyring pen I was thinking of. Sits on a keyring, is 5cm long, and solid metal.
May 29 10:01:20 <op3t> its already late may  ... any body know when this phone available ?  .. sory for lame question 
May 29 10:01:21 <aloril> op3t: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
May 29 10:03:07 <SpeedEvil> Well - no.
May 29 10:03:22 <SpeedEvil> Maybe a day, maybe a week.
May 29 10:04:05 <op3t> :D
May 29 10:04:22 <op3t> thanks for the answer 
May 29 10:04:32 <SpeedEvil> There has been no firm date.
May 29 10:31:01 <obiter> msg NickServ IDENTIFY
May 29 10:33:16 <Stephmw> I completely agree
May 29 10:34:19 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Kernel/zh_cn/beijingxiezilou]] [[Chekumen]] [[Liver_transplant]] [[Beijingxiezilou]] [[Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973]]
May 29 10:40:59 <xkr47> counter
May 29 10:40:59 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: a day 12:39:29 (1.527 +-1.5 days) (1317;218)
May 29 10:41:37 <minime> woa woa woa, that guy's killing our poor openmoko-wiki
May 29 10:42:23 <Stephmw> argh
May 29 10:46:40 <sixfeet> moin
May 29 10:48:26 <sixfeet> counter
May 29 10:48:27 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: a day 12:35:45 (1.525 +-1.5 days) (1318;218)
May 29 10:49:30 <minime> hm. is there a dev/null page we can store that stuff to? :D
May 29 11:54:36 <pavelm> hello, everyone
May 29 11:54:55 <pavelm> ...I got the openmoko bluetooth gps into "no longer time travels" mode, good.
May 29 11:55:12 <hrw> hi pavelm 
May 29 11:56:00 <pavelm> hi, hrw!
May 29 11:56:23 <tholin> pavelm: nice going.
May 29 11:56:26 <SpeedEvil> Bluetooth gps?
May 29 11:56:30 <pavelm> I thought about getting debian to run under chroot, unfortunately the micro-SD cards I have here do not work too well :-(
May 29 11:58:34 <pavelm> speed: openmoko has both bluetooth and gps; and with few scrips I'm using it as a bluetooth gps receiver (running map application on symbian phone).
May 29 11:58:58 <SpeedEvil> Ah.
May 29 11:59:03 <SpeedEvil> :)
May 29 11:59:28 <pavelm> speed: On symbian phone that actually has a _usable screen_ :-).
May 29 11:59:54 <ynezz> moko doesn't? :)
May 29 12:00:14 <SpeedEvil> Sunlight issues?
May 29 12:00:30 <pavelm> ynezz: no, moko is not usable in direct sunlight.
May 29 12:00:49 * SpeedEvil is contemplating possibly doing backlight mods.
May 29 12:01:29 <pavelm> speed: Is such thing possible? Making it usable outside?
May 29 12:01:36 <SpeedEvil> Maybe. 
May 29 12:01:47 <Bish> what are u talkin about ß
May 29 12:01:49 <SpeedEvil> I'm more interested in the possibility of lighting one small corner of the display.
May 29 12:02:26 <SpeedEvil> Though sticking a 1W LED in there would probably work.
May 29 12:02:31 <pavelm> speed: Wow, that sounds like a nice hack... for displaying clock?
May 29 12:02:35 <SpeedEvil> Yes.
May 29 12:02:43 <SpeedEvil> Clock and signal/...
May 29 12:03:10 <SpeedEvil> However. The display may require the input signal all the time.
May 29 12:03:17 <SpeedEvil> And that requires the CPU to be on.
May 29 12:03:24 <SpeedEvil> Which reduces the benefits.
May 29 12:03:39 <SpeedEvil> Unless it's possible - as some displays support - to draw on the screen over SPI.
May 29 12:04:00 <CM> pavelm: Nice work with the gps :)
May 29 12:04:12 <pavelm> speed: hmm, not sure about SPI.
May 29 12:04:15 <pavelm> CM: Thanks.
May 29 12:04:20 <SpeedEvil> Need actual datasheets.
May 29 12:04:35 <SpeedEvil> Or someone with.
May 29 12:04:37 * CM waits impatiently for P1 to be produced
May 29 12:04:54 * Bish waits for mass marked.
May 29 12:05:35 <CM> Bish: With the current speed you'll have to wait to late 2008 or something ;)
May 29 12:05:38 * sannes waits for a place to order it ..
May 29 12:05:58 <hrw> pavelm: read comment on your last LJ post
May 29 12:06:21 <sannes> shouldn't the first batch of buyable phones be produced already?
May 29 12:06:44 <pavelm> hrw: that comment is wrong ;-)
May 29 12:06:57 <hrw> sannes: they go through internal hw testing probably
May 29 12:07:01 <pavelm> hrw: you need my older script to run gllin. This takes data from it.
May 29 12:07:27 <hrw> sannes: bv3 had hw bugs and they want to be sure that bv4 which leave factory works OK
May 29 12:07:30 <hrw> pavelm: ok
May 29 12:07:54 <Bish> CM: i dont think so xD i believe in u guyz and in fic.. amen
May 29 12:08:05 <CM> Hehe
May 29 12:09:39 <hrw> pavelm: you use 2.6.20 or 2.6.21 on neo?
May 29 12:11:20 <pavelm> hrw: gps games are done on phase1 neo with original software.
May 29 12:11:35 <pavelm> hrw: would like to get phase0 machine into "gps mode" too some day :-)
May 29 12:12:13 <kiney_> counter
May 29 12:12:13 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: a day 11:53:52 (1.496 +-1.5 days) (1319;218)
May 29 12:12:20 * SpeedEvil suspects he'd be attacking the thing with a multimeter.
May 29 12:12:28 <SpeedEvil> (to find power sequencing)
May 29 12:13:13 <Bish> wtf is a gps game?
May 29 12:13:25 <SpeedEvil> openstreetmap.org
May 29 12:13:29 <Rince> will someone from the OpenMoko-Developers be at the GPN this weekend?
May 29 12:13:32 <SpeedEvil> Collect all the nodes!
May 29 12:13:40 <SpeedEvil> Win absolutely no prizes!
May 29 12:14:03 <pavelm> speed: I offer chocolate bar for the person that maps rest of prague ;-)
May 29 12:14:15 <Bish> xD
May 29 12:14:42 <pavelm> speed: Actually Elrond got it to work with new kernel, so I just need to ask, not play with multimeter.
May 29 12:14:43 <hrw> pavelm: add "echo "1" >  /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-bt.0/reset" into script
May 29 12:15:32 <SpeedEvil> :)
May 29 12:15:58 <pavelm> hrw: I need some very new kernel for that to wokr on phase0, right?
May 29 12:16:05 <hrw> no idea
May 29 12:16:32 * jeddy3_ wan't to hear more about screen not being usable in sunlight...
May 29 12:17:11 <jeddy3_> there has been very sparse reviews about hardware "feel"/quality/usability
May 29 12:21:43 <Stephmw> jeddy3_: it's a bit early for that imo
May 29 12:21:59 <Stephmw> jeddy3_: early hw doesn't usually pay too much attention to those details
May 29 12:22:48 <jeddy3_> Stephmw, not too early, hopfully we'll be able to preorder soon, and it'll be interesting to know such things :)
May 29 12:22:48 <hrw> $PGLOR,RID,GLL,182,5,023*4D
May 29 12:22:52 <hrw> is all I got here
May 29 12:23:11 <hrw> but thats in building
May 29 12:23:32 <pavelm> hrw: Yes, that't the early hello. When you walk out of building, you should get more.
May 29 12:23:40 <pavelm> hrw: Or just place it near window.
May 29 12:23:57 <pavelm> hrw:  -periodic 1
May 29 12:24:01 <hrw> now it behave like hang.
May 29 12:24:01 <pavelm> hrw: ...helps, too.
May 29 12:24:26 <pavelm> jeddy: screen is very hard to read in direct sunglight.
May 29 12:24:47 <pavelm> jeddy: and the software is not really designed for screen this small, so the combination is not too usable.
May 29 12:27:47 <jeddy3_> pavelm, ah ok...sounds like a ordinary screen problem getting worse by high dpi count, i can live with that...thanks!
May 29 12:28:59 <hrw> pavelm: wow. it works
May 29 12:29:47 <pavelm> hrw: so you get nmea now?
May 29 12:30:11 <hrw> yes
May 29 12:30:20 * SpeedEvil posts the "nmea nmea" dance on youtube.
May 29 12:30:24 <hrw> "-periodic 1" works
May 29 12:30:48 <hrw> pavelm: GPGSA/GPRMC/GPGGA lines
May 29 12:31:12 <pavelm> hrw: if the gga lines contain your coordinates, you've won ;-)
May 29 12:31:17 <hrw> brb
May 29 12:32:27 <Pander_> In order to boost the popularity of OpenMoko, why not offer an Ubuntu Feisty package that once installed provides you with one click startup of a simulation with Neo1973? then people can easily install the latest version and play around with it.
May 29 12:33:19 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Press_Coverage]] [[Kernel/zh_cn/beijingxiezilou]] [[Chekumen]] [[Liver_transplant]] [[Beijingxiezilou]]
May 29 12:33:31 <pavelm> pender: We have worse problems than "low popularity".
May 29 12:33:38 <pavelm> pender: But feel free to do the work.
May 29 12:35:14 <tholin> I would prefer a vmware player image. Works on all dists and most operating systems.
May 29 12:35:39 <tholin> maybe not _most_ operating systems...
May 29 12:41:00 <guaqua> Pander_: make qemu does work
May 29 12:42:49 <CM> guaqua: Not everywhere.. I can't even get qemu to build
May 29 12:43:00 <CM> tholin: I agree, vmware image!
May 29 12:43:30 <rwhitby> tholin: the openmoko core team is not too keen on vmware, being a closed-source proprietary VM and all ...
May 29 12:43:36 <CM> rwhitby use a debian vmware image for all his mokomakefile stuff
May 29 12:43:46 <CM> rwhitby: Hey there :-)
May 29 12:44:01 <guaqua> CM: what distro is this?
May 29 12:44:06 <SpeedEvil> tholin: But you are really welcome to stick a link on the wiki
May 29 12:44:08 <rwhitby> very true.  I test on Debian Etch under vmware, and CentOS 4 native.
May 29 12:44:24 <Pander_> guaqua: I'm talking about the people that do not have make installed, they also seen to exist in this world ;) (not me by the way)
May 29 12:44:28 <CM> guaqua: Gentoo 64-bit with gcc-4.1, so I have myself to blame
May 29 12:44:56 <rwhitby> Pander_: if someone does not have make installed, how are they going to contribute to development at this stage of the project?
May 29 12:45:42 <rwhitby> If a non-developer (e.g. a reviewer) runs qemu and the current software, they will not get (or tell) a good perception of openmoko ...
May 29 12:46:31 <Pander_> rwhitby: demo, review, ideas, enabling new business. See it as a live demo. lots of things get sold even when they are not finished yet. If people can test it a bit, play around with it the project will get more attention and possabilities.
May 29 12:46:40 <tholin> there are other ways to contribute. Like translations.
May 29 12:46:46 <lrak> at this stage it seems that contributing means waiting ;)
May 29 12:46:59 <CM> lrak: Hehe
May 29 12:47:10 <Pander_> Irak: if we all wait twice as hard....
May 29 12:47:21 <rwhitby> Pander_: exactly - what I am saying is if that stuff were to happen right now, it would have a negative impact on openmoko, not a positive one (but that's just my opinion)
May 29 12:48:14 <DukeOfURL> counter
May 29 12:48:14 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: a day 11:35:51 (1.483 +-1.5 days) (1320;218)
May 29 12:48:41 <CM> Same as we're all excited that gps kind of work, but my sister/mom/dad wouldn't call that "working"
May 29 12:48:48 <DukeOfURL> It's a beautiful morning
May 29 12:48:57 <stefan_schmidt> lrak: Wouldn't say so. Openmoko-calculator and rssreader was already contributed from the community.
May 29 12:49:05 <Pander_> Not even a non-debug build would perform pretty quickly in simulation? Ok I get the point that at the moment it could od more harm. Like in those days Linux came without a GUI installer and the drivers you need ;)
May 29 12:49:15 <stefan_schmidt> lrak: Even patches for bugfixes, etc.
May 29 12:52:04 <hrw> how much gps satellites are needed to get position? here (near window) it catch 2-3
May 29 12:52:14 <SpeedEvil> 3 give a 2d fix
May 29 12:52:15 <ewon> 4, afair
May 29 12:52:19 <ewon> for a 3d
May 29 12:52:19 <SpeedEvil> 4 a 3d fix
May 29 12:52:38 <SpeedEvil> 2 constrain your position to a conic section
May 29 12:52:50 <ewon> you won't see that in nmea though
May 29 12:52:53 <SpeedEvil> No.
May 29 12:53:01 <hrw> $GPGSV,1,1,03,08,,,35,27,,,35,13,,,31*77
May 29 12:53:06 <ewon> most gps's i've seen will just bleat at you until they get at least a 2d fix
May 29 12:53:12 <lrak> stefan_schmidt: Im just bugged coz I do not have a Neo
May 29 12:53:22 <hrw> that means 3 satellites
May 29 12:53:36 <stefan_schmidt> lrak: Not all people contributed have a neo.
May 29 12:53:37 <SpeedEvil> Some continue outputting fix data at 2 sat - for a time. 
May 29 12:53:39 <hrw> but gives only that: $GPGGA,125253.52,,,,,00,00,0.5,,M,0.0001999,M,0.0000099,*5E
May 29 12:53:58 <SpeedEvil> Especially if you're given speed - from other sensors.
May 29 12:54:52 <stefan_schmidt> Anyway, we have the qemu emulator and I don't see that we will bring a vmware image. People are free to do it on their own and share of course
May 29 13:02:07 <rtp> stefan_schmidt: hi. btw, if you can reach LaF0rge, please ask him to update the udc driver with the version sent to linux-usb-devel :)
May 29 13:03:41 <stefan_schmidt> rtp: He was on a music festival the last days. Once he is back I ping him. Thanks for the info.
May 29 13:03:54 <rtp> stefan_schmidt: ok :)
May 29 13:03:55 <ewon> oops
May 29 13:04:04 <stefan_schmidt> rtp: Any special fixes in that one?
May 29 13:04:13 * ewon throws some cat5 at fellow employee, misses him, goes out 3rd floor window
May 29 13:05:19 <rtp> stefan_schmidt: there were a lot of fixes in that one from bug fixes to CodingStyle fixes. Too many to be listed :)
May 29 13:05:33 <stefan_schmidt> rtp: heh, ok
May 29 13:06:28 <rtp> stefan_schmidt: you should have the info in gitweb if you want to get the list
May 29 13:06:49 * stefan_schmidt searches
May 29 13:07:01 <rtp> oops. in my gitweb :)
May 29 13:07:52 <stefan_schmidt> ah
May 29 13:07:55 <rtp> stefan_schmidt: http://git.rtp-net.org/?p=h1940.git;a=shortlog;h=udc
May 29 13:08:17 <stefan_schmidt> rtp: Once I reach Laf0rge I give him both links.
May 29 13:08:32 <rtp> stefan_schmidt: thanks
May 29 13:08:55 <stefan_schmidt> rtp: You have done the work. So thank you :)
May 29 13:09:13 <rtp> fluff did a lot of work too :)
May 29 13:10:24 <stefan_schmidt> rtp: heh, nobody like to get the thanks.
May 29 13:10:53 <hrw> is there any small gtk app for linux which can parse nmea and give some informations from it?
May 29 13:11:02 * Stephmw waves his arms around, dispersing the modesty in the room.
May 29 13:11:35 <rtp> stefan_schmidt: did you had time to play with the qvga stuff ?
May 29 13:12:43 <stefan_schmidt> rtp: Unfortunately not. ATM I do some work on userspace apps. QVGA is more an enhancement and apps need way more work. But I'll work on it again though
May 29 13:14:30 <stefan_schmidt> rtp: You mean the patch from 2007-05-05? http://marc.info/?l=linux-usb-devel&m=117837753610940&w=2
May 29 13:14:39 <rtp> stefan_schmidt: ok. no problem. 
May 29 13:14:48 <rtp> yeah
May 29 13:14:53 <stefan_schmidt> ok
May 29 13:16:49 <rtp> stefan_schmidt: some news about the support of the pin code pop up ? :))
May 29 13:17:42 <stefan_schmidt> rtp: Should be fixed now. mickey|lunch added some code and the dialer now asked for the PIN.
May 29 13:18:37 <rtp> great ! 
May 29 13:20:07 <amarsh04> wicked suggestion for an openmoko device: something that combines the best features of the Neo 1973 and the OLPC hardware - including an LCD visible in full sunlight
May 29 13:20:10 * Herod2k esce e vi saluta
May 29 13:20:27 * Herod2k : ciao belli
May 29 13:25:27 <cheesy> counter
May 29 13:25:27 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: a day 11:17:15 (1.470 +-1.5 days) (1321;218)
May 29 13:26:42 <cheesy> any official statements about the release?
May 29 13:27:13 <Bish> 11.9.07
May 29 13:27:34 <Bish> Sep 11 07 :P
May 29 13:27:58 <pavelm> (sorry, my connection failed)
May 29 13:29:38 <aloril> cheesy: only 2 week old official guess (in May)
May 29 14:02:23 <PBeck> hi
May 29 14:06:25 <cheesy> hi PBeck
May 29 14:07:19 <aloril> (script) openmoko-neo1973: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: high speed parallel access to the CPU
May 29 14:21:23 <CIA-23> openmoko: 03stefan * r2092 10/trunk/oe/conf/distro/include/preferred-openmoko-versions.inc: 
May 29 14:21:23 <CIA-23> openmoko: * Tasks upstream needs newer autoconf since svn rev 202. Use a known working
May 29 14:21:23 <CIA-23> openmoko:  version to keep all building until we have a proper solution.
May 29 14:48:38 <don-o> counter
May 29 14:48:39 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: a day 10:35:39 (1.441 +-1.4 days) (1322;218)
May 29 14:56:54 <CIA-23> openmoko: 03thomas * r2093 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
May 29 14:56:54 <CIA-23> openmoko: Patch by: Neil J Patel <njp@o-hand.com>
May 29 14:56:54 <CIA-23> openmoko: * libmokojournal/src/moko-journal.c: (moko_journal_open_default),
May 29 14:56:54 <CIA-23> openmoko: (moko_journal_close), (moko_journal_remove_entry_at),
May 29 14:56:54 <CIA-23> openmoko: (moko_journal_remove_entry_by_uid),
May 29 14:56:55 <CIA-23> openmoko: (moko_journal_write_to_storage), (on_entries_added_cb):
May 29 14:56:59 <CIA-23> openmoko: * libmokojournal/src/moko-journal.h:
May 29 14:58:30 <CIA-23> openmoko: 03thomas * r2094 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-dialer/src/ (3 files): (log message trimmed)
May 29 14:58:30 <CIA-23> openmoko: Patch by: Neil J Patel <njp@o-hand.com>
May 29 14:58:30 <CIA-23> openmoko:  * Uses correct icons for the history view.
May 29 14:58:30 <CIA-23> openmoko:  * Checks that the entry it is loading is a voice entry.
May 29 14:58:30 <CIA-23> openmoko:  * Properly loads all voice information.
May 29 14:58:31 <CIA-23> openmoko:  * Fixed list-store types.
May 29 14:58:35 <CIA-23> openmoko:  * Uses correct icons for incoming/outgoing/missed calls.
May 29 15:03:01 <simon__> counter?
May 29 15:03:01 <aloril> "/msg aloril counter?" for actual long message, giving short version here: http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: a day 10:28:28 (1.436 +-1.4 days) (1323;218)
May 29 15:03:20 <ewon> http://geektechnique.org/projectlab/781/slurpr-the-mother-of-all-wardrive-boxes
May 29 15:04:33 <CM> ewon: Shame it's so expensive, but cool box
May 29 15:06:37 <ewon> uses atheros chipsets as well, so they can do packet injection.. crack WEP pretty quick. It's pretty obscene cost-wise for a wardriving box, but what a shiny piece of kit
May 29 15:07:41 <CIA-23> openmoko: 03laforge * r2095 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/ (3 files in 2 dirs): update default kernel to 2.6.21.3
May 29 16:34:19 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[ChangeLog]] [[User:Azanutta]] [[Translation]]
May 29 16:54:26 <kiney> counter
May 29 16:54:26 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: a day 09:32:45 (1.398 +-1.4 days) (1324;218)
May 29 16:55:17 <don-o> less than 40%. i cant even look. :(
May 29 16:55:24 <don-o> er less than 50% i mean :)
May 29 17:11:18 <rox> still no orders, huh?
May 29 17:12:17 <don-o> Han will have that shield down. We've got to give him more time! 
May 29 17:13:45 <rox> does anybody know why projects.openmoko.org is down?
May 29 17:14:50 <LuitvD> problem with the database, that's all I can see...
May 29 17:14:53 <LuitvD> don't know why
May 29 17:22:22 <pjz> IMHO they should give up on projects.openmoko.org and just host it at google code or someplace like that
May 29 17:22:35 <pjz> running a project site isn't FIC's core competency
May 29 17:22:58 <pjz> outsource! Kill NIH syndrom!
May 29 17:23:07 <rox> pjz: you are porbably right
May 29 17:23:31 <rox> pjz: at the end, openmoko is supposed to grow into a community project
May 29 17:23:43 <pjz> right, so it should be hosted at a community site
May 29 17:24:01 <pjz> SF or google code or savannah or someplace like that
May 29 17:26:03 <Elrond> As long, as it's not sf. ;-)
May 29 17:34:39 <rox> there has been some talk about blacklisting on mailing lists, no real conclusions, however
May 29 17:35:40 <rox> anybody willing to discuss blacklisting design?
May 29 17:36:10 <rox> my idea was that i should just make space for blacklisting profiles in eds
May 29 17:36:16 <rox> then link those profiles to groups
May 29 17:36:22 <rox> or individual contacts
May 29 17:52:45 * balrog-kun got a message about a recent article all dedicated to OpenMoko in an academic newspaper of one of the unis in my city
May 29 18:00:23 <high-rez> counter
May 29 18:00:24 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: a day 08:59:46 (1.375 +-1.4 days) (1325;218)
May 29 18:04:45 <LuitvD> hmm, Slurpr seems to use an Atheros chipset too :D
May 29 18:23:20 <pjz> rox: If groups can include other groups (which I don't know), then being able to blacklist just groups should be okay
May 29 18:24:11 <rox> pjz: then each contach should belong to a group
May 29 18:24:13 <pjz> rox: although 'blacklist' is a bit vague: does it mean 'ignore calls' or 'ignore sms' or 'ignore email' or all of the above? or just some of them
May 29 18:24:28 <rox> pjz: that's the beauty of blacklist profiles
May 29 18:24:38 <rox> pjz: you assign thoe to profiles
May 29 18:24:45 <pjz> I see
May 29 18:24:53 <pjz> hrm
May 29 18:25:04 <pjz> maybe more general to just make them 'action profiles'
May 29 18:25:36 <rox> pjz: you can set a profile where you reject calls but accept sms, or let call ring but keep phone siolent and reject sms
May 29 18:26:05 <pjz> and let them specify ringer/vibrate/explosion for whoever's using the profile
May 29 18:26:33 <pjz> and the profile can elect to override or not per-user profiles
May 29 18:27:01 <rox> pjz: yes, but generally they are going to be used for blacklisting, so that is what i planned to do initially, but when i considered all the features required, yes, they transgressed into action profiles
May 29 18:27:29 <rox> pjz: right, there should be a hierarchy ... default profile, group profile, individual profile, the later overriding the former
May 29 18:28:24 <pjz> rox: I think each profile should be able to delegate the action to the subprofile if they want
May 29 18:28:31 <rox> what you suggested is interesting and maybe should be an option
May 29 18:28:52 <pjz> like I might block sms's from a bunch of younger kids, but want to allow their individual ringtones to come through
May 29 18:29:08 <rox> right, so profiles could just specify one area of action and get the rest from superprofile
May 29 18:29:19 <pjz> right
May 29 18:29:54 <pjz> the UI should probably have an option 'use individual settings' or 'delegate to individual' or something like that
May 29 18:30:57 <rox> well, best not clutter the interface toomuch
May 29 18:31:21 <rox> as far as i have tried it out,the neo interface is a bit unpleasent as it is
May 29 18:31:30 <pjz> yeah, I'm kinda annoyed by that
May 29 18:31:57 <pjz> I've messed with it in qemu and it's a bit... odd
May 29 18:32:44 <rox> well, i'm used to nokia interfaces and those are pretty good
May 29 18:33:02 <rox> generally, people who get used to nokia interfaces have hard time dealing with others
May 29 18:33:38 <rox> although they've cluttered their interface up too recently
May 29 18:33:52 <rox> too many confirmations
May 29 18:34:16 <rox> as for profiles
May 29 18:34:25 <rox> i was considering these options
May 29 18:35:03 <rox> sms: accept | throw in /dev/null
May 29 18:35:19 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Text_Input]] [[Main_Page]]
May 29 18:36:07 <rox> calls: ring | reject | let ring and don'tmake a sound but stillleave missed call | same as previous but no missed call | answer and play a sound file
May 29 18:37:16 <rox> emails could probably be treated the same as sms
May 29 18:38:20 <pjz> sms: accept | accept silently | ignore
May 29 18:39:34 <pjz> calls: accept | silent ring & log | silent ring & no log | reject | ignore
May 29 18:39:47 <pjz> reject should do whatever it is taht sends them to voicemail
May 29 18:40:03 <pjz> ignore should hang up on them
May 29 18:41:52 <ynezz> or dial some number to behave as "busy" line
May 29 18:43:05 <ynezz> it should be possible to get some early info about incoming call - at least i've read it here ;)
May 29 18:43:37 <rox> pjz: i also want to implement the "answer and play some sound" option
May 29 18:43:42 <rox> pjz: just for the fun of it
May 29 18:44:48 <rox> pjz: what is the difference between silent ring & no log and ignore?
May 29 19:19:30 <mickeyl> !seen XorA
May 29 19:19:31 <cdbot2> I found 8 matches to your query. Here are the 5 most recent (sorted): XorA|gone XorA dp__ Fake XOrA|lunch. XorA|gone (n=dp@www.xora.org.uk) was last seen changing nicks from XorA on #oe 3 hours, 31 minutes ago. XorA|gone is still there.
May 29 19:20:08 <pjz> rox: silent ring & no log is jsut that: ring silently so you can see who's calling, but don't add the number to the missed calls list
May 29 19:20:32 <pjz> rox:  ignore is 'send them straight to voicemail'
May 29 19:21:26 <pjz> mickeyl: any feeling on if we'll see the phone come out tomorrow?
May 29 19:29:33 <mickeyl> pjz: i have been a bit out of the loop... tomorrow seems unlikely, however afaik it looks like something like 1000 should be finished in a couple of days
May 29 19:36:59 <LoDown> will this run have wifi, or not?
May 29 19:37:17 <MacNorthXP> if they're P1 phones, then no
May 29 19:37:33 <LoDown> ok...i didn't know if they were the P1 or P1+  phones being run off
May 29 19:38:55 <pjz> mickeyl: cool, thanks for the info
May 29 19:39:24 <mjr> one presumes P1, since, well, P1+ is supposed to be after P1+, right?
May 29 19:39:35 <mjr> s/+,/,/
May 29 19:39:35 <apt> mjr meant: one presumes P1, since, well, P1+ is supposed to be after P1, right?
May 29 19:44:18 <ciastek> hello! i have problem with unsubscirbing from mailing list. i ask for remembering password, but no mail arrives. anyone have had similar problem?
May 29 19:56:15 <CIA-23> openmoko: 03mickey * r2096 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux-qemu/: oe: yank linux-qemu since we now have a 'real' neo1973ified qemu
May 29 19:57:25 <mickeyl> !seen magoin
May 29 19:57:27 <mickeyl> !seen magon
May 29 19:57:27 <cdbot2> mickeyl, I don't remember seeing magoin.
May 29 19:57:29 <cdbot2> Magon (n=Magon@archangel.kolej.mff.cuni.cz) was last seen quitting from #openmoko 5 hours, 22 minutes ago stating ({"Lost} terminal\").
May 29 19:58:10 <mickeyl> ibot: botmail to magon hey. you mentioned something about patches? i sorted my connectivity problems out, please mail to me and cc' openmoko-devel. thanks!
May 29 19:58:17 <mickeyl> argh
May 29 19:58:19 <mickeyl> wrong botname
May 29 19:58:23 <mickeyl> apt: botmail to magon hey. you mentioned something about patches? i sorted my connectivity problems out, please mail to me and cc' openmoko-devel. thanks!
May 29 19:59:45 <Philippe> hi mickeyl!
May 29 19:59:57 <Philippe> wondered if you could help me out with something.
May 29 20:00:07 <mickeyl> probably not, but what's up? :)
May 29 20:00:40 <Philippe> I finally managed to get my OpenMoko in halt mode with OpenOcd. But I don't seem to get a working bootloader in there.
May 29 20:01:19 <Philippe> I am a bit confused about the memory initialisation part.
May 29 20:01:59 <Philippe> I cannot find a correct bin file for it apparently
May 29 20:02:17 <Philippe> I tried using the method described here : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#Using_JTAG_to_boot_from_RAM
May 29 20:05:33 <prpplague> interesting, why upload a bin specifically for doing init on the sdram?
May 29 20:05:41 <mickeyl> grab the correct lowlevel init from the buildhost
May 29 20:05:45 <mickeyl> i'll get you a link
May 29 20:05:57 <mickeyl> NOTE though, i recommend letting devirginate do all the dirty work though
May 29 20:06:07 <mickeyl> so once you know how it goes manually, try using devirginate
May 29 20:06:27 <Philippe> mickeyl: ah, I did not know devirginate could do it.
May 29 20:06:44 <Philippe> I must say OpenOcd is some impressive tool
May 29 20:06:51 <mickeyl> Philippe: grab http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.04/images/lowlevel_foo-gta01bv3-r4_8048cdd56f04a756eeea4951f402bf5cc33785db_0_1764.bin
May 29 20:06:55 <mickeyl> for your Bv3
May 29 20:06:58 <koen> afaik devirginate is still horrendously broken
May 29 20:07:28 <prpplague> mickeyl: wheres the source for that?
May 29 20:07:55 * Philippe guessed in u-boot
May 29 20:08:12 <mickeyl> prpplague: dunno offhand. that's handcrafted asm from Laf0rge
May 29 20:08:30 <mickeyl> probably emitted by the uboot recipe, yeah
May 29 20:08:31 <Philippe> I managed to turn my v4 in a vibrator for a while playing with OpenOcd
May 29 20:08:39 <mickeyl> heh
May 29 20:08:44 <prpplague> mickeyl: hmm, i'd really like to see that source
May 29 20:08:45 <Philippe> But the same thing did not really work on my v3
May 29 20:14:59 <prpplague> mickeyl: yea it appears to be built in uboot
May 29 20:16:08 <prpplague> interesting though, i just used openocd scripts to do my init
May 29 20:26:32 <Elrond> Good evening mickeyl! :-)
May 29 20:28:16 <mickey|bbi1h> hey Elrond 
May 29 20:28:22 <mickey|bbi1h> just about to bring my wife to bed
May 29 20:28:30 <mickey|bbi1h> will be back in 60 minutes
May 29 20:28:32 <mickey|bbi1h> you too?
May 29 20:28:39 <mickey|bbi1h> s/too/will still be here/
May 29 20:28:39 <apt> mickey|bbi1h meant: you will still be here?
May 29 20:28:53 <high-rez> Slightly OT, anyone else have a problem with Teliax being down?
May 29 20:29:06 <Elrond> mickey|bbi1h - Yes, I'll be here in an hour... but not bringing a women to bed. ;-)
May 29 20:29:25 <mickey|bbi1h> hehe. ok, talk to ya then.
May 29 20:29:53 <mickey|bbi1h> actually bringing Sabine to bed will take 15 minutes and the rest will be a pre-midnight snack cough
May 29 20:30:38 <kiney> counter
May 29 20:30:39 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: a day 07:44:39 (1.323 +-1.3 days) (1326;218)
May 29 20:31:21 <kiney> hmm, the counter is broken?
May 29 20:31:21 <kiney> counter?
May 29 20:31:21 <aloril> "/msg aloril counter?" for actual long message, giving short version here: http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: a day 07:44:17 (1.322 +-1.3 days) (1327;218)
May 29 20:32:21 <kiney> ah, it just lags
May 29 20:34:19 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[IPhone]] [[IPhone/de]] [[Main_Page/de]] [[Main_Page]] [[Talk:IPhone]] [[Wishlist:Text_Input]] [[Calendar]]
May 29 20:35:58 <Bish> commander :(
May 29 20:36:19 <Bish> ops wrong channel
May 29 20:40:27 <Philippe> mickey|bbi1h: Thanks for the lowlevel stuff! v3 is back alive!
May 29 21:24:07 <mickeyl> Philippe: congrats!
May 29 21:24:55 <mickeyl> Shoragan: Sherlock! (re. your blog post)
May 29 21:25:10 <Philippe> mickeyl: I guess you are to thank for getting it to run.
May 29 21:25:22 <wehttamb_> counter
May 29 21:25:23 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: a day 07:17:17 (1.304 +-1.3 days) (1328;218)
May 29 21:25:26 <Philippe> Now I can lend it out to some people who want to help hacking on it. :-)
May 29 21:25:55 <mickeyl> cool
May 29 21:30:21 <Elrond> Hi mickeyl :-))
May 29 21:32:59 <mickeyl> yo :)
May 29 21:35:46 <Shoragan> mickeyl, was it still secret?
May 29 21:36:15 <mickeyl> pretty much, yeah
May 29 21:36:39 <mickeyl> anyway, it's not settled
May 29 21:36:41 <mickeyl> we're evaluating options
May 29 21:36:44 <mickeyl> which involves stub drivers
May 29 21:37:06 <Shoragan> ah, i thought the changelogs are public anyway
May 29 21:37:53 <mickeyl> sure, they are
May 29 21:38:01 <Elrond> Huh, what are you guys talking about?
May 29 21:38:28 <Shoragan> and it seem interesting enough to blog about it
May 29 21:38:33 <mickeyl> hehe
May 29 21:38:33 <mickeyl> no kidding
May 29 21:38:40 <mickeyl> it is
May 29 21:38:42 * mickeyl has seen some datasheets
May 29 21:38:52 * SpeedEvil used remote viewing on it.
May 29 21:38:55 <Elrond> Are you talking about the smedia thing?
May 29 21:38:59 <mickeyl> ya
May 29 21:39:08 <Shoragan> the one on the website is not very detailed
May 29 21:39:10 <SpeedEvil> I want a proper datasheet. 
May 29 21:39:16 <Elrond> Well, it was obvious from the commitlogs.
May 29 21:39:27 <Elrond> SpeedEvil - Yeah, I want one too.
May 29 21:39:39 <SpeedEvil> A device like that - with a few apps, and no datasheet would _SUCK_.
May 29 21:39:44 <Elrond> SpeedEvil - As usual, I'm interested in the power consumption.
May 29 21:39:50 <SpeedEvil> Me too.
May 29 21:39:57 <Shoragan> it seems very low power
May 29 21:40:02 <SpeedEvil> It _could_ possibly reduce power consumption.
May 29 21:40:20 <SpeedEvil> If it can output to the LCD with the CPU in off/slow mode.
May 29 21:40:23 <Elrond> SpeedEvil - You mean by having the framebuffer RAM on the GPU?
May 29 21:40:49 <SpeedEvil> Basically.
May 29 21:40:55 <SpeedEvil> OR even if it uses main RAM.
May 29 21:41:05 <Shoragan> and i've compared the performance numbers in the datasheet with some benchmarks of nokia phones and it seems pretty fast
May 29 21:41:34 <Shoragan> i think it has its own framebuffer
May 29 21:42:18 <Elrond> Well, if it reduces overall power consumption, I'm all for it. But otherwise, I don't need 3d games on this toy. :-)
May 29 21:42:41 <Shoragan> it also uses the 3d engine for accelerated 2d
May 29 21:42:46 <Shoragan> (same fillrate)
May 29 21:45:50 <CIA-23> openmoko: 03mickey * r2097 10/trunk/oe/conf/machine/fic-gta01.conf: oe: include asoc modules for Neo1973 in rootfs
May 29 21:48:40 <Elrond> Ahh, good. Next rootfs with more modules. ;-)
May 29 21:49:03 <CIA-23> openmoko: 03mickey * r2098 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/ (9 files): oe/linux-gta01*: autoload kernel-module-snd-soc-neo1973-wm8753
May 29 21:49:03 * Elrond hopes for kernel with working backlight. ;-)
May 29 21:56:32 <SpeedEvil> And how often do you need accellerated 2D on a phone?
May 29 21:56:37 <SpeedEvil> If you're not using games.
May 29 21:57:12 <Elrond> SpeedEvil - Yeah, exactly.
May 29 21:57:18 <SpeedEvil> If this chip is $5 (say). It's going to add at least $10 onto the price of the phone.
May 29 21:57:59 <Elrond> hum.
May 29 21:58:00 <SpeedEvil> If it does not reduce power consumption, to the extent that the CPU can be in slow mode most of the time when playing MP3/mpg then I don't really want it.
May 29 21:58:25 <Elrond> Yeah, same here.
May 29 21:58:52 <Elrond> At least not as a phone. ;o)
May 29 21:59:17 <SpeedEvil> True. And games have the fundamental problem of getting them written.
May 29 21:59:38 <Elrond> Yeah. ;)
May 29 21:59:53 <SpeedEvil> Look at the wide catalog on the GPX2...
May 29 22:00:07 <SpeedEvil> Though emulators can work.
May 29 22:00:56 <Elrond> Would cairo win using the 2d accel? That could be nice for doing things like "drawing maps" :)
May 29 22:01:37 <SpeedEvil> Yeah - smooth scrolling large maps could possibly do with some help.
May 29 22:03:02 <Elrond> mickeyl, stefan_schmidt - Does any of you two now, why the Bv03 still runs at 100MHz by default?
May 29 22:03:24 <Kensan> ScumVM
May 29 22:03:50 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: It's 200MHz and we had some trouble with 266MHz. But that should be fixed
May 29 22:04:14 <mickeyl> Elrond: because Bv3 inherently has a hardware bug in conjunction w/ the debug board
May 29 22:04:34 <mickeyl> if you don't use a debug board, feel free to set it to 266 in U-Boot permanently
May 29 22:04:59 <mjr> mickeyl, good to know. That it isn't an issue w/o.
May 29 22:05:29 <Elrond> Hmm, I think, this one likes 100... let me boot it into u-boot.
May 29 22:05:46 <filippo> counter
May 29 22:05:46 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: a day 06:57:05 (1.290 +-1.3 days) (1329;218)
May 29 22:09:43 <Elrond> mickeyl, stefan_schmidt Okay... I take that back... It's really at 200. :-)  As I don't have a debug board, I can put it at 266 for this boot. ;-)
May 29 22:10:18 <SpeedEvil> Tie down the pressure relief valve, and go for 300! :)
May 29 22:11:10 <Elrond> SpeedEvil - *lol* I think, it can't :-)
May 29 22:14:48 <mickeyl> Elrond: it might feel like 100, but it's really 200 ;)
May 29 22:15:49 <Elrond> mickeyl - Yeah. :-)
May 29 22:16:43 <slider> NOTE: Applying patch '303-c99-complex-ugly-hack.patch' - this is frightening me :)
May 29 22:17:24 <Elrond> mickeyl - BTW: I have a few issues (all non-critical, and I'm not available as a u-boot tester) with u-boot and other things. How's the traffic on bugzilla currently? Should I better keep them for me or annoy everybody with them?
May 29 22:18:30 <mickeyl> Elrond: feel free to go ahead on bugzilla. please add them w/ severity minor (in case they're really are).
May 29 22:20:46 <Elrond> Okay. :-)
May 29 22:21:13 <Elrond> I don't want to annoy people. I think, they're already troubled enough. :)
May 29 22:21:19 <aloril> (script) openmoko-community: Werner Almesberger <werner at openmoko.org> Re: information efficient text enty using dasher
May 29 22:21:49 <SpeedEvil> Dasher sucks.
May 29 22:21:57 <mickeyl> indeed, we're way behind our schedule sigh
May 29 22:22:02 <SpeedEvil> Unless you stare at it.
May 29 22:22:10 <mickeyl> i'm going to Taiwan on 8th to kick some asses ;)
May 29 22:22:34 <CoreDump|home> hi
May 29 22:22:41 <mickeyl> heya CoreDump|home 
May 29 22:23:27 <CoreDump|home> hey mickeyl, long time no see =)
May 29 22:23:51 <mickeyl> indeed
May 29 22:23:57 <mickeyl> ~lart connectivity problems
May 29 22:23:57 * apt drops a truckload of VAXen on connectivity problems
May 29 22:24:04 <Elrond> Hi CoreDump|home :-)
May 29 22:24:09 <CoreDump|home> Elrond: hi
May 29 22:24:30 <CoreDump|home> mickeyl: I had to wait close to 5 weeks to get connected when I moved :\
May 29 22:24:35 <Elrond> mickeyl - BTW: One good news: I got the gps on Bv03 to give me some bytes.  And I have python running on the Bv03. :-)
May 29 22:24:41 <mickeyl> CoreDump|home: sucky, ya
May 29 22:24:54 <mickeyl> Elrond: coolness! do you blog? you should :)
May 29 22:25:08 <SpeedEvil> Or jam it on the wiki.
May 29 22:25:15 <hads> Elrond: Nice one
May 29 22:25:25 <mickeyl> CoreDump|home: i nearly went back to T**** since Alice couldn't switch on the proper socket in my new home
May 29 22:25:39 <mickeyl> CoreDump|home: however it works now... bg
May 29 22:25:44 <cworth> Elrond: I'm very much looking forward to hints on talking to the GPS. Please keep us posted.
May 29 22:26:01 <CoreDump|home> mickeyl: I read the backlog, good job =)
May 29 22:26:08 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: So we should not ask how you solve it. :)
May 29 22:26:54 <mickeyl> stefan_schmidt: yes, please. can't say more than....
May 29 22:26:58 <mickeyl> ~praise screwdrivers
May 29 22:27:00 <apt> All hail screwdrivers!
May 29 22:27:30 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: hu, *you* doing hardware? Seems I really don't need to know more. ;)
May 29 22:27:58 <mickeyl> hahaha
May 29 22:28:23 <mickeyl> to be honest, i had help from friend who's EE
May 29 22:28:29 <Stephmw> mickeyl: next you'll tell us to stop this silly stuff with C and assembly and code in Ruby or something
May 29 22:30:21 <Elrond> cworth - I'll do.  I got a bit distracted, when I couldn't reproduce the C code in python (python would have been so much easier to hack around random byte streams...)
May 29 22:32:10 <Elrond> mickeyl - I don't blog yet. I didn't see much use in it. But maybe It might be better to get some attention. ;-)
May 29 22:32:48 <Elrond> Any recommendations on a blog-software (on debian-stable) or hoster?
May 29 22:32:51 <cworth> Elrond: I'd been holding out for years, but finally broke down and started blogging about a week ago.
May 29 22:34:07 <Elrond> cworth - :-))
May 29 22:34:16 * Stephmw waves
May 29 22:34:31 <Elrond> cworth - Same here... I only do this hype-stuff two years after the hype is over. ;-)
May 29 22:34:38 <Elrond> Night Stephmw[Zzzzz] 
May 29 22:35:18 <mickeyl> Elrond: i swear on Wordpress
May 29 22:35:19 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page]]
May 29 22:35:19 <mickeyl> it rocks
May 29 22:35:24 <mickeyl> ah
May 29 22:35:28 <mickeyl> translation error
May 29 22:35:32 <mickeyl> i love Wordpress, actually
May 29 22:36:03 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: wordpress is a security nightmare. :)
May 29 22:36:28 <alphaone> actually php is :-)
May 29 22:36:29 * stefan_schmidt uses nanoblogger to blog with vim and use may unix tools ;)
May 29 22:36:30 <cworth> mickeyl: "I swear by wordpress" would work.
May 29 22:36:35 <stefan_schmidt> alphaone: indeed
May 29 22:36:46 <alphaone> Or was, I'm not really up2date on php anymore.
May 29 22:36:53 <Elrond> Did I now start the blog-software-flamewar?
May 29 22:37:04 <Elrond> ... like the usual editor-flamewar? ;o)
May 29 22:37:08 <stefan_schmidt> alphaone: Was? PHP is dead?
May 29 22:37:22 <stefan_schmidt> Elrond: There is only one editor ;)
May 29 22:37:26 <stefan_schmidt> *caugh*
May 29 22:37:27 <alphaone> Elrond: yeah, typo/rails 4 ever ;-)
May 29 22:37:34 <mitsuhiko> alphaone: pah
May 29 22:37:36 <cworth> Elrond: I'm using ikiwiki, but it wouldn't suit everybody, (hard to set up, no beautiful styles by default, but it's very flexible and it has the interface I want---"git push" to publish).
May 29 22:37:43 <mitsuhiko> i hate php but wordpress is a lot easier to maintain than typo
May 29 22:37:56 <stefan_schmidt> cworth: I do make distrib :)
May 29 22:38:34 <cworth> And then I do end up with nothing but static webpages to actually deliver which is kind on both efficiency and security fronts.
May 29 22:38:36 <alphaone> mitsuhiko: I like to use apps I can actually understand if I need to...
May 29 22:38:54 <alphaone> So it really depends on what you're comfortable with.
May 29 22:39:15 <Elrond> cworth - Heck... I love git. :)
May 29 22:39:36 <mitsuhiko> alphaone: well. customizing wordpress was easier for me
May 29 22:39:36 <alphaone> cworth: Sounds nice
May 29 22:39:44 <mitsuhiko> and ruby is creepy slow
May 29 22:40:05 <cworth> Elrond: Well, maybe soon I'll blog about setting up a git-based blog with ikiwiki, (the shipping instructions work, but they're not ideal I think).
May 29 22:40:09 <mitsuhiko> at least it requires fastcgi and there the dispatchers love to die
May 29 22:40:21 <Elrond> cworth - ;-)
May 29 22:41:04 <mitsuhiko> cworth: langauge? templates?
May 29 22:41:07 <mitsuhiko> *language
May 29 22:44:54 <cworth> mitsuhiko: ikiwiki supports a bunch of languages. I use the default markdown. There's a perl-based plugin interface for doing anything else.
May 29 22:45:27 <cworth> mitsuhiko: It doesn't really ship with any interesting templates, but does have a template system so you can design your own.
May 29 22:46:36 <mitsuhiko> cworth: so it's perl powered?
May 29 22:46:57 <stefan_schmidt> Once the flamewar started I leave. :) Night folks
May 29 22:47:05 <cworth> mitsuhiko: Yes, it's written in perl. And it just compiles the source into static HTML.
May 29 22:47:27 <mitsuhiko> cworth: so no comments?
May 29 22:47:55 <stefan_schmidt> mitsuhiko: Comments are just for Spammer. :)
May 29 22:48:05 <mitsuhiko> stefan_schmidt: haha
May 29 22:48:18 <cworth> mitsuhiko: Oh, it does include a CGI script as well. It's originally a wiki implementation, (that I think works quite well for blogging).
May 29 22:48:40 <cworth> mitsuhiko: But I don't have any of the CGI stuff enabled on my blog, so no comments here, no.
May 29 22:48:54 <mitsuhiko> i think i'm happy with wordpress for now
May 29 22:49:08 <Elrond> Hmm, advogato (what ever it's current reputation is...) has blogging service... I could reactivate my account there. ;-)
May 29 22:49:12 <mitsuhiko> works quite well, has a community, theming it was easy. 'nuf for now
May 29 22:49:36 <cworth> mitsuhiko: Yup.
May 29 22:50:14 <cworth> mitsuhiko: I think the big thing that kept me from just using wordpress was I really wanted to publish separate feeds for different categories.
May 29 22:51:11 <cworth> mitsuhiko: With ikiwki I'm getting a separate feed for every tag, and I'm setting up two pages now "blog/technical" and "blog/personal" which will target the two audiences of basically "free software hackers" vs. "my family".
May 29 22:51:33 <mitsuhiko> cworth: i have separate feeds for the categories
May 29 22:51:41 <mitsuhiko> cworth: http://lucumr.pocoo.org/cogitations/
May 29 22:51:43 <mitsuhiko> see the list below
May 29 22:51:48 <mitsuhiko> click on a tag, and then check the feed
May 29 22:52:01 <cworth> mitsuhiko: Ah, so I just missed that then.
May 29 23:01:09 <mickey|zzZZzz> g'night
May 29 23:01:54 <Elrond> Night mickey|zzZZzz :)
May 29 23:03:53 <neostrider> hello !
May 29 23:04:40 <CoreDump|home> don't try to charge Neo w/ a cheap powered USB hub. The hub might not survive the attempts :\
May 29 23:05:11 <Elrond> CoreDump|home - Huh, what did you do?!
May 29 23:05:50 <CoreDump|home> fry a cheap "equip" hub =)
May 29 23:06:34 <Elrond> That's not good, if the neo does that.
May 29 23:07:00 <Elrond> CoreDump|home - I hope you still have warranty on the hub?
May 29 23:07:32 <CoreDump|home> not really but I can live with it beeing dead. It was a piece of crap anyway
May 29 23:08:24 <LuitvD> damn there's an enormous amount of bad jokes around that first indi500 car crash... :P
May 29 23:09:03 <LuitvD> 'the linux car'
May 29 23:09:12 * balrog-kun misread that for "i can live with being dead" the first time
May 29 23:09:22 * LuitvD too
May 29 23:09:24 <LuitvD> :P
May 29 23:10:28 <Elrond> CoreDump|home - Realy that stupid company should have replaced it a few times and finally give you the money back. :)
May 29 23:12:05 <Elrond> Good night people. :-)
May 29 23:12:22 <cheesy> good night Elrond
May 29 23:19:07 <Kensan> Somebody seems to be spamming the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&curid=1&diff=8910&oldid=8902
May 29 23:22:45 <don-o> Kensan: user Pipa needs to be banned
May 29 23:28:26 <balrog-kun> and shot
May 29 23:34:14 <Kensan> at least he made me register for the wiki ;)
May 29 23:48:06 <KeyserSoze> So, "Anyone can buy for $350 starting perhaps late May.".  How do I go about buying one?
May 29 23:48:06 <aloril> KeyserSoze: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
May 29 23:50:22 <mjr> KeyserSoze, you don't yet
May 29 23:51:00 <KeyserSoze> thanks mjr
May 29 23:51:15 <KeyserSoze> do you know when?
May 29 23:51:26 <mjr> mickeyl said "afaik it looks like something like 1000 should be finished in a couple of days"
May 29 23:51:42 <KeyserSoze> people already on a waiting list for those?
May 29 23:51:56 <mjr> let's hope he knows, and let's hope they'll also start sales asap
May 29 23:52:02 <KeyserSoze> hehe
May 29 23:52:19 <KeyserSoze> do y'all need any u-boot or kernel help?
May 29 23:52:19 <mjr> and preorders aren't in yet
May 29 23:52:34 <mjr> some people have been promised preferential queuing spots though, such as myself
May 29 23:53:43 * KeyserSoze is just now looking at the wiki section on uboot, and it looks like things are well under control
May 29 23:54:00 <KeyserSoze> which is nice, because i'd rather just work on apps :)
May 29 23:54:54 <don-o> mjr: a thousand? nice. that would satisfy the Buying_Interest_List's 293 entries.
May 29 23:57:47 <mjr> yeah, though one hopes that isn't all the interest out there
May 30 00:00:03 <cheesy> i'm not on the list and want one..so make this +1
May 30 00:00:14 * KeyserSoze just got in at 294 :D
May 30 00:35:19 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Main_Page]] [[User_talk:Pipa]]
May 30 02:07:19 <aloril> (script) openmoko-community: Werner Almesberger <werner at openmoko.org> Re: information efficient text enty using dasher
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