**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 01 02:59:58 2007 Jun 01 03:57:53 counter Jun 01 03:57:54 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 60%) P1: 2 days 04:01:01 (2.167 +-2.2 days) (1363;222) Jun 01 04:40:41 *yawn* Jun 01 04:40:45 morning Jun 01 05:03:22 Well we've got one day left for May. Jun 01 05:03:50 hawaiian timezone? ;) Jun 01 05:07:13 morning roh Jun 01 05:08:02 (script) planet: Michael "mickeyl" Lauer: OpenMoko on LinuxTag 2007 http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2007/06/01/openmoko-on-linuxtag-2007/ Jun 01 05:09:43 7 hours for May (only ships at UTC-12 Jun 01 05:09:46 ) Jun 01 05:11:07 well, in 10 days i'm in Taipeh Jun 01 05:11:35 then i have current info Jun 01 05:11:35 s/current/updated/ Jun 01 05:11:35 mickey|ICE meant: then i have updated info Jun 01 05:42:25 Morning Jun 01 05:42:55 hello Jun 01 06:21:34 counter_msg http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 35%) Jun 01 06:21:35 aloril changed counter prefix message to http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 35%) Jun 01 06:26:07 counter_msg http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) Jun 01 06:26:08 aloril changed counter prefix message to http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) Jun 01 06:31:16 counter Jun 01 06:31:17 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 14:44:20 (3.614 +-3.6 days) (1363;221) Jun 01 07:20:13 morning Jun 01 07:44:45 openmoko: 03laforge * r2113 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/hxd8-core.patch: HDX8: increase oversampling shift of TS driver (Johnny Wu) Jun 01 07:51:57 counter? Jun 01 07:51:57 "/msg aloril counter?" for actual long message, giving short version here: http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 14:04:00 (3.586 +-3.6 days) (1364;221) Jun 01 08:18:58 counter_msg -EAGAIN Jun 01 08:18:59 ynezz changed counter prefix message to -EAGAIN Jun 01 08:19:05 oops Jun 01 08:19:08 :p Jun 01 08:19:41 ;-) Jun 01 08:19:47 counter_msg http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) Jun 01 08:19:47 aloril changed counter prefix message to http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) Jun 01 08:20:29 sorry ;) Jun 01 08:22:46 np Jun 01 08:22:59 first time somebody else used it ;-) Jun 01 08:24:38 (its actually meant to be used when something new happens and I'm not present) Jun 01 08:26:46 aloril: how large percentage of the server's cpu cycles does that script take? :) Jun 01 08:27:08 <1% Jun 01 08:27:14 okay :) Jun 01 08:28:22 mornin' Jun 01 08:35:22 morning Jun 01 08:39:11 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] Jun 01 08:49:11 aloril - BTW: Why don't you move the counter wiki page to wiki.openmoko.org? Jun 01 08:50:46 its unofficial Jun 01 08:51:09 don't want to put guesses and rumors there Jun 01 08:53:48 (in wiki.openmoko.org) Jun 01 08:54:57 Ahh, okay. That's a good reason. Jun 01 08:58:50 and, hopefully, it won't be of much use soon :P Jun 01 08:59:28 counter Jun 01 08:59:29 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 13:30:14 (3.563 +-3.6 days) (1365;221) Jun 01 08:59:58 ah damn, why is that probability going down again already :( Jun 01 09:00:06 some news? Jun 01 09:01:31 Maybe the counter maintainer has taken my very sensible suggestion of adding a USB Ouija board interface. Jun 01 09:02:20 no WiFi 8-ball? Jun 01 09:02:29 s/WiFi/bluetooth/ Jun 01 09:02:30 LuitvD meant: no bluetooth 8-ball? Jun 01 09:02:57 I guess that the news that mass production is not finished (they are waiting for the factory) and thus QA has not even started yet (which I don't know how long it would take) could have caused a lower probability .. heh Jun 01 09:02:58 ah, some 500 devices? unknown status Jun 01 09:03:32 sannes: yeah, read it just now... this sucks... Jun 01 09:03:53 for them too... they don't know the production yield yet, if the QA hasn't started Jun 01 09:04:00 sannes: where? Jun 01 09:04:41 SpeedEvil - http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter#500_phones.3F_2007-05-31 Jun 01 09:04:42 SpeedEvil: where what? Jun 01 09:05:05 * SpeedEvil points at Elrond's url. Jun 01 09:05:35 click damn you :P not just point Jun 01 09:05:41 what does QA mean? Jun 01 09:05:44 There's an error when I run xfbdev Jun 01 09:06:03 LinuxInit: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (No such file or directory) Jun 01 09:06:05 Fletch_work - Quality A... something. Jun 01 09:06:12 hehehe Jun 01 09:06:32 Fletch_work: quality assurance Jun 01 09:06:35 :) Jun 01 09:06:39 k Jun 01 09:06:58 afaik Jun 01 09:08:45 Hi, can anyone help me with xfbdev? Jun 01 09:20:27 webjames - You were the one asking for "Neo in the Sun"? Jun 01 09:25:44 Ich muss da also net dringend hin. Jun 01 09:25:54 EWRONGWINDOW Jun 01 09:27:37 Elrond: i don't remember i was, are you talking about a sun light readable display? Jun 01 09:28:22 webjames - More a sunlight-non-readable display. ;o) Jun 01 09:28:47 Ahh, jeddy3_ (just left), asked for it. ;) Jun 01 09:28:54 Elrond: hmm, maybe. but what would the use be of that? Jun 01 09:30:30 webjames - Well, the question was, how readable the idsplay of the Neo is in the Sun. I've made some pics. Jun 01 09:31:01 What it needs is a special case, with a black silk hood. Jun 01 09:31:09 Elrond: ahh brilliant, that sounds like me Jun 01 09:31:09 To place over the head. Jun 01 09:31:24 SpeedEvil - *lol* Jun 01 09:31:37 webjames - http://www.flickr.com/photos/elrond/sets/72157600292781326/detail/ Jun 01 09:31:47 SpeedEvil: nice.. a bluetooth umbrella perhaps? Jun 01 09:33:08 Elrond: i see what you mean, the only solution other than the silk hood would be to have a b&w for sunlight reading Jun 01 09:36:06 jeddy3 - *ping* Jun 01 09:36:33 Elrond, yeah? Jun 01 09:37:18 jeddy3 - Neo in sunlight: http://www.flickr.com/photos/elrond/sets/72157600292781326/detail/ Jun 01 09:37:58 Elrond, yes i saw that :) Jun 01 09:38:11 Ahh, okay. ;-) Jun 01 09:39:34 Elrond, but interesting, although a common problem, my present phone is definately not better either Jun 01 09:58:32 Hello, everyone Jun 01 09:59:08 Actually, old zaurus 5500 had very nice color display (front-lit), readable nicely in bright sunglight. Jun 01 09:59:21 (but colors were not that great in sunlight). Jun 01 09:59:38 ...it was also able to run w/o frontlight, so it ate very little power. Jun 01 10:00:44 pavelm: 5500 display is shit. Jun 01 10:05:04 hehe. Jun 01 10:05:20 hrw: Well, 5500 display is nice in the sunlight and neo display is nice in the darkness. Jun 01 10:05:30 hrw: I'd actually prefer 5500 display. Jun 01 10:06:26 hrw: because 5500 is okay in the darkness while neo is unusable in sunlight. Jun 01 10:06:46 counter Jun 01 10:06:46 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 12:56:35 (3.539 +-3.5 days) (1366;221) Jun 01 10:07:03 i hate these delays! Jun 01 10:07:16 You'll live Jun 01 10:07:58 cheesy - live with them. For a normal company, you would not even have gheard about the delays. You would have seen the product in October in the shop. ;o) Jun 01 10:08:01 pavelm: I like sl-6000 screen Jun 01 10:08:04 ... with hw issues. ;o) Jun 01 10:08:09 i have plenty of other projects to do, so the delays are fine with me, not really got any free time anyway Jun 01 10:08:33 * Lorphos thinks the delays are an evil plot to get us desperate enough to order the units from the first batch instead of waiting for 1+ devices ... Jun 01 10:09:30 Lorphos - hehe. ;-) Jun 01 10:09:34 waiting for half a year and still the days are getting more...I just want one of these babys Jun 01 10:09:42 only thing i wish they'd do is weekly updates Jun 01 10:10:01 yeah.. even if they just write "sorry, we didn't progress any further this week" Jun 01 10:10:06 cheesy - You don't want them with hw bugs. Really. Jun 01 10:10:07 even if its only a few words like "still working on " Jun 01 10:11:10 Psi_ - Yeah. *anything* would be fine. Even "We think, 500 were produced, but we're trying to find them" ;o) Jun 01 10:11:11 hrw: I never seen sl-6000 closely. I like olpc screen ;-) Jun 01 10:12:13 cheesy - the P0 bugs aren't fun, really. Jun 01 10:12:58 cheesy - I'm too careful to even put any SIM in it. Jun 01 10:13:36 Elrond: I have simcard in bv3. paid 5 pln for that sim Jun 01 10:13:46 5 pln is 1.6 eur Jun 01 10:14:13 Elrond: you are right...but my phone was broken at the end of 2006 so i just waited till 2007 for the neo...i borrowed me another phone and told the owner he gets it back at the end of february(this was my buffer ;) ) and now every month i tell him...there were delays with the phone i want..but in one month it should be done Jun 01 10:14:58 what about updating the topic mmh ? Jun 01 10:15:40 lrak: topic is ok Jun 01 10:15:56 cheesy - You don't want the Neo NOW for a normal phone, really. The sofgftware is in bad shape (it can be updated in the field, that's why all the coreteam concentrates on HW currently.) Jun 01 10:16:40 cheesy - Get a really simple nice phone. :-) Jun 01 10:17:32 cheesy: Get siemens sx1, and run linux on it ;-) Jun 01 10:17:38 I'll keep my Siemens ME45. It has 10-14 days of standby, which I love. Jun 01 10:18:10 Anyway, I'm getting some food now. Jun 01 10:18:21 same here Jun 01 10:18:22 ok :/ Jun 01 10:18:39 heh, how the tables have turned Jun 01 10:18:46 found a random webcam here in work Jun 01 10:18:58 Just Works on my linux laptop Jun 01 10:19:05 but cannot for the life of me find windows drivers for it Jun 01 10:20:51 ewon: normal situation Jun 01 10:21:21 no food yet :( Jun 01 10:21:58 ewon: same thing for me with an USB to RS232 adapter :) Jun 01 10:22:49 the only driver problem I have with my linux PC is with my camera Jun 01 10:23:02 (Kodak P850 cam) Jun 01 10:23:59 Btw, MiniUSB is now deprecated, MicroUSB is the new king in town ( http://www.usb.org/developers/Deprecation_Announcement_052507.pdf ) Jun 01 10:24:39 lol Jun 01 10:24:43 that's odd Jun 01 10:25:15 but with the unpowered USB i don't think FIC will try to get USB certification for the Neo1973 :) Jun 01 10:25:37 seems that late may has passed Jun 01 10:25:55 kito_: sadly, yes it has Jun 01 10:26:11 Lorphos, well, it could get USB _device_ certification Jun 01 10:26:28 was really hoping it would come out right as I arrived in europe. would've been excellent timing Jun 01 10:26:30 the non-power host is just incidental ;) Jun 01 10:26:59 mjr: :-) well then they better hurry because MiniUSB is about to be no longer certified (grace period has begun) Jun 01 10:26:59 looks like I might have to find and buy an unlocked phone, as I have non right now :( Jun 01 10:40:42 Did anyone get usb host to work, btw? Jun 01 10:41:07 yes Jun 01 10:41:13 I have bad problems with microSD cards (one does not work, one is not reliable) and big disk would be nice. Jun 01 10:41:15 bluetooth uses usb host Jun 01 10:41:37 koen: so... when I activate bluetooth, external usb connector will switch to usb host mode, too? Jun 01 10:41:51 koen: No... I do not think so, I can have active bluetooth but still connected to pc. Jun 01 10:42:15 [12:40] pavelm: Did anyone get usb host to work, btw? Jun 01 10:42:21 the answer to that is "yes" Jun 01 10:42:32 since bluetooth uses usbhost Jun 01 10:43:41 pavelm: s3c has to usb ports Jun 01 10:43:48 1 host only (BT here) Jun 01 10:44:00 1 host/device switchable (usb port here) Jun 01 10:44:23 koen: Ok, in that sense, I got usb host to work, too. Jun 01 10:44:38 hrw: Yes... is there a way to switch the second port? Jun 01 10:45:09 pavelm: no one have proper cable Jun 01 10:45:18 hrw: I do :-) Jun 01 10:45:33 pavelm: which? OTG usb host cable from zaurus? Jun 01 10:45:39 hrw: Or do you mean that switching is done by hardware according to the sense of 5th pin? Jun 01 10:45:55 iirc yes Jun 01 10:46:00 hrw: I actually have a gender changer. It works okay with zaurus. Jun 01 10:46:22 pavelm: zaurus is OTG Jun 01 10:46:24 hrw: but zaurus does switching in software, so I do not need anything on the 5th pin. Jun 01 10:46:29 s3c2410 is not OTG Jun 01 10:46:59 hrw: So situation is "special cable is needed and thus noone tried it"? Jun 01 10:47:53 more like that Jun 01 10:49:03 I guess I'll have to buy usb mini connector and do some hw hacking. Jun 01 11:39:24 okay I am now heading to mickeyl's talk about openmoko Jun 01 11:44:25 its still Friday for 16 minutes Jun 01 11:44:46 a lot more than that over here Jun 01 11:44:51 (UCT-12) Jun 01 11:44:53 "" Jun 01 11:45:25 uups, I meant May ;-) (Thursday) Jun 01 11:54:19 still no news? Jun 01 11:58:23 Yes. Jun 01 11:58:23 no news really, but see counter page Jun 01 11:58:26 Still no news. Jun 01 12:07:57 Is "don't run it without microSD card" warning still present for phase1 openmoko? Jun 01 12:14:36 counter Jun 01 12:14:37 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 11:52:40 (3.495 +-3.5 days) (1367;221) Jun 01 12:14:56 <_llll_> 3 days +- 3.5 days? Jun 01 12:15:26 *lol* Jun 01 12:15:42 that does not happen the first time Jun 01 12:15:56 that the tolerance is bigger then the estimation Jun 01 12:16:33 so, it could be that there is already phase 1. but we just didn't notice (according to the counter) Jun 01 12:21:48 pavelm: ping Jun 01 12:39:10 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[IPhone]] Jun 01 12:39:56 lrak: Yep? Jun 01 12:41:09 pavelm: are u playing with sx1 ? Jun 01 12:41:35 lrak: Yes. I have linux running on it. Jun 01 12:43:30 pavelm: what about the hardware handling ? the publicly available doc ? Jun 01 12:45:31 pavelm: I got it is omap based but what about the specific stuff such as gsm, sound etc.. Jun 01 12:45:41 lrak: No docs is not available. Jun 01 12:45:49 lrak: But russian heroes are reverse-engineering it. Jun 01 12:46:02 lrak: It can make calls, but gprs is very unreliable. Jun 01 12:48:27 pavelm: Handhelds.org reports it C, gsm is WIP work in progress Jun 01 12:52:03 counter Jun 01 12:52:04 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 11:33:56 (3.482 +-3.5 days) (1368;221) Jun 01 12:52:11 lrak: Well, as I say, calls work. Jun 01 13:00:16 aloril, counter Jun 01 13:00:42 is the counter closed now ? Jun 01 13:03:07 <_llll_> counter Jun 01 13:03:07 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 11:28:25 (3.478 +-3.5 days) (1369;222) Jun 01 13:11:45 any news about the camera phone? Jun 01 13:11:47 anyone here? Jun 01 13:11:57 camera phone? Jun 01 13:13:50 anynews about basic phone ? Jun 01 13:13:51 Something about new camera phone software in the moko repository... Jun 01 13:14:16 i got phase0 Jun 01 13:14:25 but I can not make a call at all. Jun 01 13:14:28 Wried Jun 01 13:16:38 how can I tell it is Phase0 or Phase1 Jun 01 13:17:31 jackey: easily Jun 01 13:17:39 jackey: boot it and look into /proc/cpuinfo Jun 01 13:17:57 Hardware : GTA01 Jun 01 13:17:57 Revision : 0230 Jun 01 13:18:00 this is bv3 Jun 01 13:18:03 Processor : ARM920T rev 0 (v4l) Jun 01 13:18:05 0240 is bv4 Jun 01 13:18:25 Hardware : GTA01 Jun 01 13:18:26 Revision : 0240 Jun 01 13:18:33 jackey: so you have bv4 Jun 01 13:18:42 phase1 phone Jun 01 13:18:49 bv4 is latest hardware/ Jun 01 13:18:56 latest Jun 01 13:19:34 I try to make a call with bv4 Jun 01 13:19:43 but it does not work at all Jun 01 13:19:57 do i need a debug board to debug this? Jun 01 13:20:06 with dialer or via talking to gsm modem? Jun 01 13:20:18 Hardware : GTA01 Jun 01 13:20:18 Revision : 0230 Jun 01 13:20:19 ops Jun 01 13:20:26 jackey: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/05/29/how-to-check-does-gsm-modem-works/ Jun 01 13:21:31 After I input the number and click "dial", the application close Jun 01 13:21:37 immediately Jun 01 13:22:15 dialer has problems Jun 01 13:22:24 i c Jun 01 13:22:37 hrw, where are you come from? Jun 01 13:22:56 Poznań, Poland Jun 01 13:23:39 i c Jun 01 13:23:45 i am from China Jun 01 13:24:14 I c Jun 01 13:25:19 nice to meet u Jun 01 13:26:03 u got a debug board? Jun 01 13:27:07 I have Jun 01 13:27:15 but to make calls you do not need debug board Jun 01 13:27:32 ssh to phone and then go with istruction on my blog to check Jun 01 13:33:52 AT+CPIN="1234" Jun 01 13:33:54 what is PIN Jun 01 13:34:04 I do not know that? Jun 01 13:34:35 jackey: you use other gsm phone? Jun 01 13:35:00 yup Jun 01 13:35:11 i had 2 GSM SIM card Jun 01 13:35:20 one openmoko phone and one gsm phone Jun 01 13:35:23 do you have to enter PIN code on start of phone? Jun 01 13:35:35 i do not need to do that Jun 01 13:35:42 no need Jun 01 13:35:47 so you can skip AT+CPIN Jun 01 13:36:26 it says NO CARRIER Jun 01 13:38:20 after AT+CFUN=1 and AT+COPS one? Jun 01 13:39:04 yup Jun 01 13:39:14 then no idea Jun 01 13:39:48 how to quit from CU? Jun 01 13:40:06 I usually login second time and use kill Jun 01 13:40:15 I think it's ~. Jun 01 13:40:19 like ssh Jun 01 13:40:22 but I could be wrong Jun 01 13:43:10 let me try with another sim card Jun 01 13:49:24 hrw Jun 01 13:49:26 AT+COPS Jun 01 13:49:27 +CREG: 2 Jun 01 13:49:27 +CREG: 1,"51D9","CB55" Jun 01 13:49:36 so it works Jun 01 13:50:38 but when i try ATDxxxx; it outputs no carrers Jun 01 13:50:53 ATD51887708; Jun 01 13:50:54 %CPI: 1,9,0,0,0,0,"51887708",129,,,0 Jun 01 13:50:54 %CPI: 1,8,0,0,,,,,,,0 Jun 01 13:50:54 NO CARRIER Jun 01 13:50:54 %CPI: 1,7,0,0,,,,,,,0 Jun 01 13:51:44 hm. Jun 01 13:52:36 hrw, my bv4 has a wifi? Jun 01 13:52:41 no Jun 01 13:53:18 jackey: Did you power on gsm / enter pin / etc? Jun 01 13:54:36 i do not have pin for my sim card Jun 01 13:55:12 jackey: See the wiki, you still need to register to network etc. Jun 01 13:55:23 hrw gave a helpful instruction http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/05/29/how-to-check-does-gsm-modem-works/ Jun 01 13:55:37 pavelm: AT+COPS does network register Jun 01 13:55:39 iirc Jun 01 13:56:22 AT+COPS calls the police Jun 01 13:56:25 hrw: would you accept a patch in that blog entry's subject? :> Jun 01 13:56:42 s/does/if/ ? Jun 01 13:57:35 yes, for example Jun 01 13:58:08 I do not change posts few days after posting Jun 01 14:08:11 got bluetooth network to work between zaurus and openmoko, good. Jun 01 14:08:16 :) Jun 01 14:08:36 Hi SpeedEvil Jun 01 14:08:44 Hi. Jun 01 14:09:28 software is so buggy on bv4 Jun 01 14:17:47 hrw, when i did cu -E @ -l /dev/ttySAC0 Jun 01 14:20:33 hrw, it works now Jun 01 14:20:45 it makes no sense complaining at a random development snapshot Jun 01 14:21:06 the sim jack does not hold the SIM card very well Jun 01 14:27:24 counter Jun 01 14:27:25 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 10:46:16 (3.449 +-3.4 days) (1370;223) Jun 01 15:03:50 so I'm taking a look at the "Building_OpenMoko_from_scratch" wiki page, I'm wondering what determines the "known to be goo" revision of OE's repository? Jun 01 15:04:55 is it updated often, or is openmoko "frozen" at that snapshot until an official stable OE release is made? Jun 01 15:08:08 it's frozen at some snapshots but i don't know how they are chosen Jun 01 15:08:22 it's updated but not so often Jun 01 15:24:28 balrog-kun: ok thanks for the info Jun 01 15:38:25 hi Jun 01 15:38:30 hi :) Jun 01 16:10:35 count Jun 01 16:10:43 counter Jun 01 16:10:44 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 09:54:36 (3.413 +-3.4 days) (1371;223) Jun 01 16:11:21 aloril is peppermint patty, the neo is the football, and i am charlie brown. Jun 01 16:12:02 * paulproteus nods, sighs, and hugs don-o Jun 01 16:12:21 don't you mean Lucy, don-o? Jun 01 16:15:59 hmm, scp to Neo is about 4 times faster than scp from Neo Jun 01 16:16:38 balrog-kun: what if you read file first into cache and then scp from Neo? Jun 01 16:19:45 compression may be very assymetric in terms of CPU Jun 01 16:21:55 aloril: hmm, i would have to check - this was reading from NAND when scp'ing from Neo to PC Jun 01 16:22:07 i thought scp would be the bottleneck rather than NAND Jun 01 16:22:33 SpeedEvil: ah, yeah Jun 01 16:43:56 * SpeedEvil misread unmadindu's quit as "Exit hurridley, pursued by a beer". Jun 01 16:44:10 lol Jun 01 16:45:41 counter Jun 01 16:45:41 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 09:37:08 (3.401 +-3.4 days) (1372;224) Jun 01 17:00:14 *counter Jun 01 17:00:17 counter Jun 01 17:00:17 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 09:29:49 (3.396 +-3.4 days) (1373;225) Jun 01 17:24:25 yay, booted a non-modular kernel, after making some fixes Jun 01 17:30:33 backlight is not suspending though Jun 01 17:37:54 counter Jun 01 17:37:54 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 09:11:01 (3.383 +-3.4 days) (1374;225) Jun 01 17:38:09 * aloril2 forgot to update [[FAQ]] and [[Neo1973]] pages while near desktop PC and doesn't fancy updating them with this 'ancient' phone Jun 01 17:39:38 what's there to update? Jun 01 17:39:39 a less than 50% probability - doesnt that mean "this value is likely NOT the real timeline"? Jun 01 17:40:36 not really a great probability, is it? Jun 01 17:41:38 i would say...wait till end of june...just my opinion Jun 01 17:42:12 cheesy: yeah im thinking it'll come out with the iPhone Jun 01 17:42:25 when is that? Jun 01 17:43:32 June probability is 75% total, which of course just a guess Jun 01 17:44:26 i go home crying with my bad phone Jun 01 17:44:35 cucu Jun 01 17:45:09 some guy called me today, asking about openmoko Jun 01 17:45:11 few reasons for low % for next week: Jun 01 17:45:15 has anyone else experienced that? Jun 01 17:46:55 1) there might not even exits produced phones at May: if so, then next doesn't sound that likely Jun 01 17:48:14 2) there are many things than can go wrong (for example at extreme end all 500 (or 1000) phones produced are bricks Jun 01 17:52:05 Vegar: both pages talk about May, maybe s/May/when its ready, hopefully soon/ or something like that Jun 01 17:52:18 ok Jun 01 18:37:18 may of what year Jun 01 18:37:37 np: In the year 2525. Jun 01 18:40:13 sounds about right Jun 01 18:40:36 late may in the year hell freezes over. 2525 is as good a quess as any. Jun 01 18:41:36 it may be 1-several weeks. Jun 01 18:43:28 its just that its been 1-several weeks all year :( Jun 01 20:28:26 tmp$ ipkg install -force-downgrade kernel-module-bluetooth_2.6-moko10-r2_0_2108_0_fic-gta01.ipk Jun 01 20:28:29 Package kernel-module-bluetooth (2.6.21.1-moko10-r0_0_1883_0) installed in root is up to date. Jun 01 20:28:32 Nothing to be done Jun 01 20:28:35 Jun 01 20:28:37 Anybody any idea, what's going on there? Jun 01 20:31:16 bt is beeing fixed right now Jun 01 20:33:03 Hmm, that doesn't explain the funny ipkg behaviour. Jun 01 20:33:53 Is BT broken? Jun 01 20:34:40 counter Jun 01 20:34:40 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 07:42:38 (3.321 +-3.3 days) (1375;225) Jun 01 20:36:57 /ignore aloril Jun 01 20:37:07 Elrond minimal... just the reset was inverted, thus it needed a extra toggle recently Jun 01 20:37:52 Ahh. ;-) Jun 01 20:38:34 roh - BTW: Is anybody looking at the backlight? (I tried to read the sources, and did not see any obvious bugs.) Jun 01 20:38:48 Elrond yep.. is beeing worked on Jun 01 20:43:36 Great. :-) Jun 01 20:43:46 So it also affects Bv04? :-) Jun 01 20:44:53 Elrond: yes Jun 01 20:45:26 * stefan_schmidt keeps his Mate level up Jun 01 20:47:08 stefan_schmidt - Ahh. :-) Jun 01 20:47:56 Elrond: Just have my first visit in the CCCB with Laf=rge, roh, alphaone, Shoragan and mickey|zzZzzz Jun 01 20:51:45 stefan_schmidt - :-) Jun 01 20:56:24 Elrond: is the backlight not working in the stock kernel for you? Jun 01 20:57:25 Elrond: i jsut built a kernel with custom options and i'm going through all the bugs i'm hitting, bl is also not working for me but i already got the thing to boot :) Jun 01 20:58:09 i found something suspicious in the backlight driver, hopefully i will find out more Jun 01 20:59:31 Elrond: is the battery life indicator working? Jun 01 21:01:43 good night everyone. Jun 01 21:01:48 Happy hacking Jun 01 21:04:58 balrog-kun - You mean like it showing a half full battery? Jun 01 21:06:01 balrog-kun - Yes, just tried. I unplugged the usb cable and it showed half full. Jun 01 21:07:00 Elrond: okay, thanks for checking Jun 01 21:08:11 I have openmoko-panel-battery - 0.0.1+svnnow-r0_1587 Jun 01 21:09:07 Hmm, there's a new openmoko-panel-battery. Should I try it? Jun 01 21:10:08 i haven't touched my rootfs yet, only playing with linux Jun 01 21:12:01 balrog-kun - Okay. Jun 01 21:20:22 balrog-kun - What is the suspicious part of the backlight driver you found? Jun 01 21:22:07 Elrond: that max_brightness had different value during _probe than later during _update Jun 01 21:22:26 Elrond: now i just found the possible cause and it's quite silly, gonna test in a minute Jun 01 21:23:14 it looks like it's only a coincidence that the backlight was not being totally turned off during _probe, because of that error :) Jun 01 21:23:34 Huh? Jun 01 21:38:35 backlight is working now, i still have problems with bluetooth Jun 01 21:39:25 openmoko: 03laforge * r2115 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-backlight.patch: fix GTA01 backlight driver / 2.6.21.x kernel API Jun 01 21:39:44 Ahhh, great. :-) Jun 01 21:40:13 ugh, laforge probably fixed the same thing... Jun 01 21:41:10 ;o) Jun 01 21:48:56 openmoko: 03stefan * r2116 10/trunk/oe/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Jun 01 21:48:56 openmoko: * matchbox-desktop-2 recipe from poky Jun 01 21:48:56 openmoko: * Use matchbox-desktop-2 instead of matchbox-desktop Jun 01 21:48:58 <_Jana_> hi! Jun 01 21:49:00 evening Jun 01 21:49:48 Hi Rince. :-) Jun 01 21:50:58 * Elrond waits for 2125 to turn up on the buildhost. ;-) Jun 01 21:51:21 *g Jun 01 21:51:31 2125? Jun 01 21:51:39 * Rince just heard the OpenStreetMap-talk... and one person asked about OpenMoko ;) Jun 01 21:52:00 Vegar - kernel revision. Jun 01 21:52:10 ah Jun 01 21:52:12 Rince - ;) Jun 01 21:52:19 wait.. Jun 01 21:52:33 is it in the same repository as the rest of openmoko? Jun 01 21:54:11 Yes. Jun 01 21:54:25 2115... excuse. ;-) Jun 01 21:55:18 *G* Jun 01 21:56:08 ah, ok Jun 01 22:06:11 rince - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/openstreetmap Jun 01 22:06:16 Needs proper polishing Jun 01 22:06:24 proto-application page Jun 01 22:07:01 I know ;) Jun 01 22:07:18 but I am not a programmer Jun 01 22:09:09 no programming needed. Jun 01 22:14:16 counter Jun 01 22:14:16 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 06:52:50 (3.287 +-3.3 days) (1376;225) Jun 01 22:15:00 I hope waiting for this will be shorter then the other thing that I'm waiting for.. Jun 01 22:15:21 Is the other thing Duke Nukem Forever? Jun 01 22:15:34 Vegar: not really :) Jun 01 22:15:51 *lol* Jun 01 22:15:57 graduation... *nervous* Jun 01 22:16:06 A friend already compared the Neo with "Duke Nukem Forever" ;o) Jun 01 22:16:16 lolol Jun 01 22:16:34 *grin* Jun 01 22:16:49 really hope the neo takes less time... I hear if I graduated or not in 14 days Jun 01 22:16:50 LuitvD: StarCraft II? Jun 01 22:17:09 LuitvD: Congratulations! (in advance) Jun 01 22:17:15 SpeedEvil: thanks :) Jun 01 22:17:24 Hopeful? Jun 01 22:17:31 * SpeedEvil consults his magic-8-ball. Jun 01 22:17:38 (you have the honour of being the first to congratulate me XD ) Jun 01 22:17:52 Magic-8-ball says: Meh - get a degree of the internet, it's easier. Jun 01 22:18:38 I think I'll graduate... needed 4,5 out of 10 for each exam, except for english, which could be 3 out of 10 Jun 01 22:18:55 :) Jun 01 22:19:03 DNF. lol. Jun 01 22:19:09 dnf? Jun 01 22:19:24 duke nukem forever Jun 01 22:19:31 XD Jun 01 22:19:36 XD? Jun 01 22:19:41 the XD face Jun 01 22:19:59 ah. dang everything can be a face these days. Jun 01 22:20:03 tightly shut eyes, and a big smile Jun 01 22:20:41 the Optimus Keyboard Jun 01 22:20:47 thats hardware that was a long time in the coming Jun 01 22:20:54 don-o: http://images.google.nl/images?q=XD ... to give you an impression Jun 01 22:21:00 It's not come yet has it? Jun 01 22:21:10 They have only announced preorders to come in Dec. Jun 01 22:21:14 SpeedEvil: they are takin orders Jun 01 22:21:16 To ship in Dec. Jun 01 22:21:25 yeah thats all i know Jun 01 22:21:39 so what's dnf about? Jun 01 22:21:41 Optimus? Jun 01 22:21:45 the one with the OLED keys? Jun 01 22:21:48 they take the orders since may 23rd Jun 01 22:21:48 yes Jun 01 22:21:49 Vegar: yes Jun 01 22:22:03 and it is quite expensive Jun 01 22:22:04 Vegar: for about 1600 dollars each Jun 01 22:22:05 Rince: I saw on blog they'd finished preorder. Jun 01 22:22:07 All filled. Jun 01 22:22:12 you get nearly 5 neo1973 for it ;) Jun 01 22:22:22 it doesnt look anywhere near as nice as the prototype renders Jun 01 22:22:32 parag0n__: really? Jun 01 22:22:39 led longs 3 years I read Jun 01 22:22:41 it requires "At least 256 MB of RAM." Jun 01 22:22:43 the oleds dont fill the entire button, they're just in the corner Jun 01 22:22:46 I have doubts about the design. Jun 01 22:23:00 I suspect it might be cheaper to use 'large' oled's, with fibre bundles. Jun 01 22:23:02 at least, that appears the be the case from the phtos Jun 01 22:23:17 parag0n__: yes, but the resolution is 4 times the res they planned at first Jun 01 22:23:19 Each display doing 10-20 butto0ns. Jun 01 22:24:23 openmoko: 03mickey * r2117 10/trunk/oe/conf/site.conf: revert inadvertent change from svn commit 1612. this caused builds on hosts != buildhost to build packages from the wrong repository Jun 01 22:24:34 parag0n__: the displays are pretty much dead center... Jun 01 22:25:04 heheheh, the optimus maximus has a kensington-lock slot :) Jun 01 22:25:36 all the big keys look really bad from above, but that might just be because of the camera used Jun 01 22:25:46 OMG, alt lebedev found the ANY key :D Jun 01 22:25:47 http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/optimus_maximus_01.jpg Jun 01 22:26:42 haha, if i had one, i'd probably assign scroll lock to have 'Any Key' written on it Jun 01 22:27:04 only scroll lock? Jun 01 22:27:05 parag0n__: I guess it's shot with a polaroid filter on the camera... so this is what the keyboard looks like when you wear your polaroid sunglasses Jun 01 22:27:14 haha Jun 01 22:27:24 Rince: damn, beaten :P Jun 01 22:27:26 have all the keys displaying 'Any Key' Jun 01 22:27:32 just wanted to say that :P Jun 01 22:27:36 yepp Jun 01 22:27:41 that'd be awesome Jun 01 22:27:52 that would be grand... to have 100 'any' keys :D Jun 01 22:27:58 biut only(!) if there is a popup saying "press any key to continue, but every key at the same time" :) Jun 01 22:28:16 :) Jun 01 22:29:03 It'd be nice if it was fast enough to do full motion video. Jun 01 22:29:39 build a small program that scans your screen for some "press the $someKey$ key to $doSomething$" and change all the keys to $someKey$ :D Jun 01 22:29:54 or even better, make that $someKey$ dissapear :D Jun 01 22:30:08 or run around in circles over your keyboard, hahahaha Jun 01 22:30:20 that'd be massive Jun 01 22:31:00 re Jun 01 22:32:02 wb CoreDump|home Jun 01 22:32:46 too bad there aren't windows drivers Jun 01 22:36:09 that took a while :P Jun 01 22:36:15 I mean.. Jun 01 22:36:19 too bad there aren't linux drivers Jun 01 22:37:06 Apropos: I tried the neo at a friend's XP box... it wanted some drivers ;o) Jun 01 22:37:15 Vegar: still, who'd want a 1600 dollar keyboard? Jun 01 22:37:22 I mean, I connected it via usb. ;o) Jun 01 22:37:27 Given unlimited money. Jun 01 22:37:36 hmm Jun 01 22:37:42 LuitvD: rich people Jun 01 22:37:45 There are lots of things I'd buy first. Jun 01 22:37:56 Washer/dryer, nice fridge, laptop, ... Jun 01 22:38:00 i'd like a $1600 keyboard so i could sell it and buy something more useful :) Jun 01 22:38:03 SpeedEvil: yeah, ah well, same here I guess... Jun 01 22:38:12 2*neo Jun 01 22:38:17 balrog-kun: good one :) I always think like that too Jun 01 22:38:25 :D Jun 01 22:38:44 the design is really innovative though Jun 01 22:38:45 balrog-kun: try to win things, even if you don't want the things you'll win :) Jun 01 22:38:49 I will note that 20" or so widescreen displays are about the same price. Jun 01 22:38:55 Err Jun 01 22:38:56 one of very few innovative things in last couple of years Jun 01 22:38:57 same size Jun 01 22:39:07 It's not really innovative. Jun 01 22:39:17 * Rince knows what he'd liek to buy ;) Jun 01 22:39:19 Keyboards with LCDs in the keycaps have been around for years. Jun 01 22:39:31 SpeedEvil: let's say it's an idea i'd never come up with, and it looks cool :) Jun 01 22:39:31 I forget the brand-name. Jun 01 22:39:46 SpeedEvil: err, Logitech? Jun 01 22:39:49 No. Jun 01 22:39:51 hahahah Jun 01 22:39:54 Industrial company. Jun 01 22:39:55 what no? Jun 01 22:39:58 Hmm, no new kernel on buildhost. Jun 01 22:40:04 logitech did it once too... Jun 01 22:40:14 is any of the coreteam members awake and online? Jun 01 22:40:28 The ones I'm talking of have been around for around a decade. Jun 01 22:41:10 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] Jun 01 22:41:46 omg, suddenly noticed our 'kidney competition show' is international news :D Jun 01 22:41:55 uitvd yes Jun 01 22:42:13 it's been quite a hit here, but didn't know the BBC had quite some info on it :D Jun 01 22:42:16 we germans are not amused Jun 01 22:42:21 woglinde: why not? Jun 01 22:42:30 luitvd ask our politics Jun 01 22:42:46 because germany owns all are kidneys, as well as our bikes Jun 01 22:43:17 koen: not to forget our supermarkets :) Jun 01 22:43:26 All your base? Jun 01 22:43:32 all your vla Jun 01 22:43:59 woglinde: what's wrong with kicking everyone to get attention, and then show the people who's attention you have what's wrong in the world? Jun 01 22:44:03 germans are suckers for vla and bitterballen Jun 01 22:44:20 and hagelslag and drop :) Jun 01 22:44:22 luitvd personal it dont buffer me Jun 01 22:44:32 uh whats bitterballen? Jun 01 22:44:46 woglinde: something unexplainable ;) Jun 01 22:45:14 woglinde: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitterballen Jun 01 22:45:58 woglinde: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/Febo5.JPG those things, but then spherical Jun 01 22:46:49 jesus Jun 01 22:46:55 I will never taste it Jun 01 22:47:16 woglinde: ever had Ragoût? Jun 01 23:05:10 openmoko: 03laforge * r2118 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-power_control.patch: fix bluetooth power-up routine (make sure device reset is used correctly) Jun 01 23:05:38 meh Jun 01 23:05:42 why isn't laforge in IRC? Jun 01 23:06:01 he is Jun 01 23:06:02 Because he's off fighting evil? Jun 01 23:06:07 at least usually ;) Jun 01 23:06:14 but mostly not on this chnanel Jun 01 23:06:15 Or working on stuff. Jun 01 23:06:25 most of the time he is simply fighting with or against the hardware :) Jun 01 23:07:24 meh Jun 01 23:07:29 I need to confirm something Jun 01 23:09:10 ? Jun 01 23:09:26 Someone here may know. Jun 01 23:09:32 just ask Jun 01 23:09:35 or ask on the mailinglist Jun 01 23:09:44 Worst case, we all point and laugh. Jun 01 23:09:51 ^ Jun 01 23:09:56 nope, none of you know the answer Jun 01 23:10:12 I got a phone call today Jun 01 23:10:15 need to verify it Jun 01 23:10:33 write Harald a Mail Jun 01 23:10:38 * SpeedEvil had a visit from an angel today, and also has to verify it. Jun 01 23:10:40 that's the best guess Jun 01 23:13:45 good idea Jun 01 23:13:56 do you have his mailaddress? Jun 01 23:14:03 nope Jun 01 23:14:25 do you? Jun 01 23:14:33 it's on every message he posts to all the openmoko mailing lists, and also multiple times in the kernel source Jun 01 23:15:30 ok Jun 01 23:15:31 thanks Jun 01 23:15:59 hope there's a good reason for the shroud of secrecy ... Jun 01 23:16:26 why? doesn't he like emails? Jun 01 23:16:33 rwhitby: It's to keep the laser cannons secret. Jun 01 23:18:13 Vegar: no, I mean you turning up in the channel, talking about "something" and then not saying what that "something" is. whether you say or not is your business, but it's usual not to mention a thing on IRC if you're not able to discuss it. hence it seems like there's something secret that you need to discuss with harald. Jun 01 23:18:51 no, it's not something secret Jun 01 23:18:54 it's called privacy Jun 01 23:19:05 (sorry, I should not hage said "turning up in the channel" - I don't know how long you've been here) Jun 01 23:19:33 Vegar: no problem. I'm just saying that's the reason why you're experiencing the weird reaction of people to your questions. Jun 01 23:19:42 hehe Jun 01 23:20:52 if you say "I need to confirm something" and "I got a phone call today" on a channel where there are 220 people waiting for news, you're sure to raise some conspiracy theories :-) Jun 01 23:20:59 ;) Jun 01 23:21:05 lol Jun 01 23:21:10 * SpeedEvil kidnaps Vegar. Jun 01 23:21:12 heh Jun 01 23:21:29 counter Jun 01 23:21:29 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 06:19:14 (3.263 +-3.3 days) (1377;225) Jun 01 23:21:35 anyone know how hxd8 relates to gta01/gta02/etc? Jun 01 23:21:56 nobody even knows what hxd8 is Jun 01 23:22:00 my guess is that hxd8 is the first product in a new product line parallel to the neo1973 line. Jun 01 23:22:06 ahhhh ok Jun 01 23:22:17 someone wiki'd the link to the hxd8's use of the 2440 and stuff Jun 01 23:22:21 Vegar: sort of true; but we've got hardware specs! Jun 01 23:22:31 yeah, except that, of course Jun 01 23:22:35 (note "guess" - we only know technical details of the kernel port, no application or form factor details) Jun 01 23:23:04 that smedia chip sounds sweet if it can make it in though Jun 01 23:23:04 :) Jun 01 23:23:29 If and only if it reduces power under normal cases. Jun 01 23:23:36 my guess is a portable media player with gsm capability. Jun 01 23:23:47 that'd be cool too Jun 01 23:24:12 I don't want it if it increases power use when not playing videos, and costs extra. Jun 01 23:24:23 Unless the costs are very small. Jun 01 23:29:56 rwhitby: by gsm you mean phone? Jun 01 23:30:21 so like a cross between a blackberry and an iPod Jun 01 23:30:34 pjz: yeah, phone Jun 01 23:31:11 I must say, I think I'm losing faith in openmoko Jun 01 23:31:26 the original original ship date was, what? february? Jun 01 23:31:35 Jan wasn't it? Jun 01 23:31:48 February IIRC Jun 01 23:31:53 I thought it was Jan but that might've been P0 Jun 01 23:32:46 i think the very original plan was dec for p0 and jan for p1 Jun 01 23:35:21 happycube: yup, you're right. http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS2986976174.html has the original plan: p0 in december, p1 in jan Jun 01 23:36:20 but hey, what's 5 months slippage ? Jun 01 23:36:41 ...of a product with an expected lifetime of maybe 3 years? Jun 01 23:36:46 I understand slippage. Jun 01 23:37:05 I'djust like updates. Jun 01 23:37:26 that too Jun 01 23:37:51 I've been holding out for ages Jun 01 23:37:59 I should've put the money I put aside into a CD :P Jun 01 23:38:45 SpeedEvil: amen to that. Jun 01 23:39:57 pjz: classical, rap, or country? Jun 01 23:45:48 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-May/005407.html - on hxd8 Jun 01 23:46:20 not that he says anything but eh ;) Jun 01 23:46:35 openmoko: 03laforge * r2119 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-mainmenu/src/ (mokodesktop.c mokodesktop.h stylusmenu.c): use PATH_MAX where apropriate Jun 01 23:47:02 at least he confirms it's a device Jun 01 23:56:04 into a CD, now that would've been bloody brilliant Jun 01 23:58:53 vegar - yup Jun 02 00:09:05 openmoko: 03laforge * r2120 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-mainmenu/src/stylusmenu.c: Jun 02 00:09:05 openmoko: mainmenu: emergency hacks for: Jun 02 00:09:05 openmoko: * making sure the activate callback is called even for toplevel items Jun 02 00:09:05 openmoko: * actually executing programs that are selected in menu Jun 02 00:13:24 openmoko: 03laforge * r2121 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-mainmenu/src/stylusmenu.c: fix segfault (used wrong object for signal connection) Jun 02 00:15:41 counter Jun 02 00:15:41 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 05:52:07 (3.245 +-3.2 days) (1378;225) Jun 02 00:20:24 * DukeOfURL just loaded the chatzilla add-on into the new Firefox 2.0 Jun 02 00:20:47 * DukeOfURL seems to work Jun 02 00:25:26 night Jun 02 00:31:57 * * OM Bug 587 has been created by stefan@openmoko.org Jun 02 00:31:58 * * Icon-theme broken since settings-daemon integration Jun 02 00:31:59 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=587 Jun 02 00:37:08 Is there a Wiki-Admin? User Pipa is spamming the frontpage again with his/her porn links... Jun 02 00:42:10 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page]] [[ChangeLog]] [[Main_Page/it]] Jun 02 00:46:49 Kensan: DIY! Jun 02 00:47:23 SpeedEvil, I did revert the changes. I was more thinking along the lines of banning the user. Jun 02 00:47:35 ah Jun 02 01:41:11 DukeOfURL, You are chatting fine indeed. Jun 02 02:14:36 hmm... actually this could be correct (from [[Neo1973]]): 'Phase 1: Production should happen late May Official Developer Launch date is unknown. ' Jun 02 02:18:39 ls Jun 02 02:22:08 laforge is mind reader, second time somebody at IRC says he found big and almost instantly there is commit by laforge fixing it ;-) Jun 02 02:22:54 2007-06-02 00:38:38 backlight is working now, i still have problems with bluetooth Jun 02 02:22:59 2007-06-02 00:39:28 openmoko: laforge * r2115 /trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-backlight.patch: fix GTA01 backlight driver / 2.6.21.x kernel API Jun 02 02:23:09 2007-06-02 00:39:47 Ahhh, great. :-) Jun 02 02:23:09 2007-06-02 00:40:16 ugh, laforge probably fixed the same thing.. Jun 02 02:43:10 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[FAQ]] [[Main_Page]] Jun 02 02:52:34 Can I buy a neo1973 right now? the wiki makes me think I can buy one and use it? is that correct? thanks. Jun 02 02:52:34 maek: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Jun 02 02:52:43 maek: no Jun 02 02:52:48 not quite for sale yet Jun 02 02:54:15 aloril: thanks, ill look. Jun 02 02:54:33 SpeedEvil: ok, thank you. What if I wanted to try my hand at developing something for it? can I buy one then? Jun 02 02:54:46 under standing its not quite ready. or should I just wait? Jun 02 02:55:07 You cannot now obtain hardwware Jun 02 02:55:22 you can do the emulator or software development thing. Jun 02 02:55:30 Maybe a week or two. Maybe more. Jun 02 02:55:40 ok. thanks. alright. ill look into that. Jun 02 02:55:42 It's currently ramping up to mass production. Jun 02 02:55:53 The first run of a thousand or so. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jun 02 02:59:56 2007