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Jun 02 04:42:10 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973]]
Jun 02 06:28:52 <Mandarino> counter
Jun 02 06:28:53 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 02:45:32 (3.115 +-3.1 days) (1379;225)
Jun 02 06:28:59 <Mandarino> xDDDDD
Jun 02 08:25:40 <PBeck> hi
Jun 02 08:37:56 <webjames> hey
Jun 02 08:38:24 <LuitvD> good morning
Jun 02 08:43:10 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page]]
Jun 02 09:04:43 <LuitvD> who has the power to deactivate wiki useraccounts?
Jun 02 09:05:06 <LuitvD> we have a frontpage spammer on our hands
Jun 02 09:06:31 * LaF0rge can do that, but I doubt it's one particular user account, is it?
Jun 02 09:06:39 <LuitvD> it is
Jun 02 09:06:40 <LuitvD> for now
Jun 02 09:06:51 <LuitvD> look: http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=history
Jun 02 09:07:05 <LuitvD> check the diffs on pipa's edits
Jun 02 09:07:36 <LuitvD> for 4 times in 5 days
Jun 02 09:07:50 <LuitvD> so deactivate him...
Jun 02 09:07:56 <LuitvD> make sure he can't login
Jun 02 09:08:31 <LaF0rge> luitvd: is removed
Jun 02 09:08:43 <LuitvD> LaF0rge: good :)
Jun 02 09:10:52 * LuitvD cleaned the spam within the hour :)
Jun 02 09:11:04 <LuitvD> aloril's script is indeed usefull :)
Jun 02 09:15:49 * LuitvD is watching what BBC called "reality TV gone too far" :)
Jun 02 09:34:12 <Elrond> aloril - Laforge is bug reading. I filed the backlight bug a while back. ;o)
Jun 02 09:34:25 <CIA-27> openmoko: 03mickey * r2122 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard/gtk-2.0/gtkbutton: oe/theme: reenable gtkbutton borders
Jun 02 09:37:01 <mickey|LinuxTag> backlight bug has been fixed yesterday nite
Jun 02 09:37:31 <Elrond> mickey|LinuxTag - I know. I was there and tested it straight after the kernel turned up on buildhost.
Jun 02 09:38:29 <mickey|LinuxTag> ah right
Jun 02 09:38:32 * mickey|LinuxTag overtired
Jun 02 09:39:06 <Elrond> mickey|LinuxTag - BTW: I'll go to GPN today and bring the P0 there. It seems noone else brought a neo there. ;-)
Jun 02 09:41:30 <mickey|LinuxTag> pioneer ;)
Jun 02 09:42:00 <Elrond> ;-)
Jun 02 09:43:11 <Elrond> BTW: I hope the buttons on the P1 are really better.
Jun 02 09:45:31 <mickey|LinuxTag> slightly
Jun 02 09:46:35 <Elrond> The power button on this thing sometimes feels like it doesn't come out again.
Jun 02 09:46:46 <mickey|LinuxTag> ya, same here
Jun 02 09:46:52 <mickey|LinuxTag> no tactile feedback
Jun 02 09:46:56 <mickey|LinuxTag> my bv2 was better
Jun 02 09:48:01 <Elrond> Well, while pressing there is feedback, but when I release it, it sometimes doesn't come out again. And then I'm using my fingernail to help it out.
Jun 02 09:56:26 <aloril2> Elrond: OK (timing was kind of perfect for telpathy hypothesis ;-) (or he followed irc discussion)
Jun 02 09:57:26 <Elrond> aloril2 - Yes. ;-)
Jun 02 09:57:42 <LuitvD> has anybody compiled OpenTTD for the Neo yet?
Jun 02 10:00:53 <aloril2> s:telpathy:telepathy:
Jun 02 10:02:19 <Elrond> LuitvD - Is that this railroad simulation game?
Jun 02 10:02:36 <LuitvD> Elrond: the SimCity-like game
Jun 02 10:02:53 <LuitvD> Transport Tycoon Deluxe
Jun 02 10:02:53 <guaqua> transport tycoon <3
Jun 02 10:03:05 <guaqua> if i just got the music to work on openttd
Jun 02 10:03:10 <guaqua> is it even possible?
Jun 02 10:03:45 <Elrond> It should be possible.
Jun 02 10:04:12 <guaqua> then i must
Jun 02 10:04:19 <guaqua> 've just put the files into wrong dir
Jun 02 10:04:34 <LuitvD> does it compile for arm?
Jun 02 10:04:47 <sannes> hm, so if LaF0rge is following irc, it means he is not doing QA, and that means that they havn't received a batch of phones yet .. ugh .. hehe :P
Jun 02 10:05:13 <SpeedEvil> Or he's goofing off, and not working 25*7
Jun 02 10:05:33 <sannes> hehe
Jun 02 10:06:04 <mjr> shame, shame, shame
Jun 02 10:06:09 <Elrond> SpeedEvil - ;-))
Jun 02 10:06:51 <Elrond> So after I received the neo... my first kernel flashing. ;o)   (I normally load new kernel only into RAM and boot them there.)
Jun 02 10:06:57 <Elrond> .. looks good so far. :-)
Jun 02 10:07:05 <SpeedEvil> So you're now a flasher?
Jun 02 10:07:15 <Elrond> *G*
Jun 02 10:13:30 <Elrond> <-- heads away.
Jun 02 10:14:31 <Rince> hio elrond ;)
Jun 02 10:18:26 <kito_> emulator?
Jun 02 10:18:43 <Tronic> Is the phone usable as a music player?
Jun 02 10:18:43 <aloril> Tronic: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
Jun 02 10:22:22 <kito_> I haven't seen anyone say if the software is there yet
Jun 02 10:24:49 <mjr> somebody here mentioned playing music with it, I believe with some command line player though ;)
Jun 02 10:33:39 <Tronic> The UI of a player doesn't matter much. The only thing needed is random play with a "next" button.
Jun 02 10:33:49 <kito_> I'm sure a music player will be one of the first things done after P1 gets going
Jun 02 10:34:04 <Tronic> But is the hardware suitable?
Jun 02 10:34:25 <kito_> Tronic: heh, I built one of those in hardware once (random play+next button)
Jun 02 10:34:37 <Tronic> Does it have 3.5 mm headphone connector, memory card slot (for several gigabytes of storage), etc.
Jun 02 10:34:51 <paulproteus> Tronic, It has micro SD which can store several gigabytes cheaply.
Jun 02 10:34:53 <kito_> I believe so, they've talked of a decoder, and there is a microSD and 3.5mm on it
Jun 02 10:34:57 <kito_> or was it 2.5mm?
Jun 02 10:35:38 <Tronic> Well, seems usable in any case. 3.5 mm would be nicer even if it makes the phone bigger, but there are adapters for 2.5 mm too.
Jun 02 10:35:38 <SpeedEvil> 2.5mm
Jun 02 10:36:05 <kito_> 2.5mm is still worlds better then proprietary
Jun 02 10:36:05 <SpeedEvil> At the moment, it's 2.5mm, headset adaptor - the 'normal' one amongst phones.
Jun 02 10:36:56 <SpeedEvil> Hardware isn't optimal for an MP3 player - the CPU has to run 3 times faster than it'd need to to decode mp3.
Jun 02 10:37:10 <SpeedEvil> Which hurts batterywise.
Jun 02 10:44:10 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User_talk:Pipa]] [[Main_Page]]
Jun 02 10:44:44 <xkr47> counter
Jun 02 10:44:45 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 00:37:36 (3.026 +-3.0 days) (1380;225)
Jun 02 10:49:57 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 588 has been created by stefan@openmoko.org
Jun 02 10:49:59 <cdbot2> * * Icon-theme broken since settings-daemon integration
Jun 02 10:50:00 <cdbot2> * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=588
Jun 02 10:57:35 <CIA-27> openmoko: 03laforge * r2123 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (11 files in 2 dirs): add machine / vendor plugin infrastructure (Philip Zabel)
Jun 02 11:04:33 <CIA-27> openmoko: 03laforge * r2124 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/include/gsmd/machineplugin.h: add missing header file
Jun 02 11:19:21 <Stephmw> good morning everyone
Jun 02 11:20:48 <kito_> 'mornin
Jun 02 11:20:59 <kito_> 'noon, i s;pose
Jun 02 11:30:52 <SpeedEvil> Are 5G microSD actually available?
Jun 02 11:30:55 <SpeedEvil> s/5/4/
Jun 02 11:30:55 <apt> SpeedEvil meant: Are 4G microSD actually available?
Jun 02 11:31:41 <kito_> 4g I believe so
Jun 02 11:32:54 <kito_> well, i thought so but im not seeing any
Jun 02 11:33:05 <CIA-27> openmoko: 03mickey * r2125 10/trunk/oe/ (2 files in 2 dirs): oe: add openmoko-sound-theme-standard and set preferred version
Jun 02 11:33:34 <kito_> oh, here we go
Jun 02 11:33:34 <kito_> http://www.steckenborn.de/?/produktinfo.asp?z=&art_nr=SDSDQ-4096-E11M&wid=froogle
Jun 02 11:34:01 <kito_> yep, looks like sandisk makes one: http://www.daily-gadget.de/50226711/4gb_microsdkarte.php
Jun 02 11:35:40 <kito_> wow
Jun 02 11:35:50 <kito_> oops
Jun 02 11:40:56 <CIA-27> openmoko: 03laforge * r2126 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/Makefile.am: follow automake/libtool convention for building dlopen'ed modules
Jun 02 11:41:21 <CIA-27> openmoko: 03laforge * r2127 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/ (gsmd.c machine.c): implement manual override for vendor/machine type
Jun 02 11:47:24 <CIA-27> openmoko: 03laforge * r2128 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/gsmd.c: remove stupid default serial port /dev/ttyUSB0
Jun 02 12:09:14 <CIA-27> openmoko: 03stefan * r2129 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-mainmenu/ (8 files in 2 dirs): 
Jun 02 12:09:14 <CIA-27> openmoko: Lindent run over all files besides buttonactions.{c,h} as mickey is
Jun 02 12:09:14 <CIA-27> openmoko: working on them right now.
Jun 02 12:09:34 * SpeedEvil wonders if so_solid_moo has 28 nipples, and carries a gun.
Jun 02 13:43:13 <CIA-27> openmoko: 03laforge * r2130 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Add 'modem alive' detection. We inquire every five minutes if the modem is still alive.
Jun 02 13:57:54 <CIA-27> openmoko: 03laforge * r2131 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/gsmd.c: 
Jun 02 13:57:54 <CIA-27> openmoko: * add timeout to initial modem detection
Jun 02 13:57:54 <CIA-27> openmoko: * make sure we only fork into background after the modem has been detected
Jun 02 13:57:54 <CIA-27> openmoko: * clean up the loglevel of some log statements
Jun 02 14:14:01 <CIA-27> openmoko: 03mickey * r2132 10/trunk/oe/packages/gsm/libgsmd_svn.bb: make sure the new gsmd plugins are put into the gsmd package
Jun 02 14:14:02 <ar2> hello to everybody
Jun 02 14:14:12 <SpeedEvil> Hello.
Jun 02 14:14:13 <kito_> oi
Jun 02 14:14:17 <ar2> :)
Jun 02 14:14:37 <sudharsh> hello
Jun 02 14:14:51 <arw_hall9000> :)
Jun 02 14:17:53 <DukeOfURL> good morning
Jun 02 14:18:11 <kito_> 'noon
Jun 02 14:18:38 <kito_> anyone know what time it is CST right now?
Jun 02 14:18:50 <DukeOfURL> 9:18
Jun 02 14:18:54 <DukeOfURL> am
Jun 02 14:19:11 <DukeOfURL> sorry, that's central daylight time
Jun 02 14:19:27 <DukeOfURL> CST is GMT-6
Jun 02 14:19:31 <kito_> that's just CST on daylight savings, right?
Jun 02 14:19:46 <DukeOfURL> yes 9:19 central daylight time
Jun 02 14:19:53 <Tronic> Sat Jun  2 14:17:35 CST 2007
Jun 02 14:20:01 <kito_> yea, I just wasn't sure if i'm on GMT+1 here
Jun 02 14:20:14 <Tronic> It seems to think that CST is the same as GMT.
Jun 02 14:20:25 <kito_> hah
Jun 02 14:20:26 <shainer_dev> hi...i'm one of the Italian translator for the openmoko wiki
Jun 02 14:20:33 <shainer_dev> but i have a little problem...could someone help me?
Jun 02 14:20:34 <aloril> Commands: counter (see estimated time until P1), counter_msg (set message for counter), faq (link to FAQ in wiki)
Jun 02 14:20:35 <DukeOfURL> what CST are you talking about?
Jun 02 14:20:44 <Sup3rkiddo> i dont know if this issue has been put forth before, but in the interest of the community there are pr0n links at the wiki page
Jun 02 14:21:17 <kito_> this has been a problem
Jun 02 14:21:43 <Sup3rkiddo> oh ok...been outta business for a while...didnt know
Jun 02 14:22:02 <SpeedEvil> Is it on-topic porn?
Jun 02 14:22:07 * SpeedEvil goes to revery.
Jun 02 14:22:08 <kito_> hah
Jun 02 14:22:08 <SpeedEvil> t
Jun 02 14:22:53 <SpeedEvil> Gone now anyway
Jun 02 14:23:11 <arw_hall9000> heheheheheh
Jun 02 14:23:20 <arw_hall9000> hey.. wait for me :)
Jun 02 14:23:21 <Sup3rkiddo> i just had an embarrassing experience of showing the wiki page to my friend 
Jun 02 14:24:23 * kito_ pictures it now
Jun 02 14:24:28 <kito_> that's hilarious
Jun 02 14:29:31 <shainer_dev> Sup3rkiddo: i had a look in the help pages, but i didn't find anything about my problem
Jun 02 14:31:18 <Sup3rkiddo> shainer_dev, it was just removed :D
Jun 02 14:33:13 <shainer_dev> ...
Jun 02 14:38:53 <Kensan> shainer_dev, don't ask if somebody "could" help you. Just state your question, maybe somebody will answer.
Jun 02 14:38:59 <shainer_dev> ok
Jun 02 14:39:32 <shainer_dev> I edit a page but when I press the "Save" button I get a message that says 
Jun 02 14:39:51 <shainer_dev> my ip address has been blocked by the admins because it has used by "pipa" and i'm a spammer
Jun 02 14:39:51 <Herod2k> hi guys
Jun 02 14:39:57 <shainer_dev> and the address showed is not the mine
Jun 02 14:39:58 <eclissi> hi!
Jun 02 14:40:13 <shainer_dev> (i'm not behind tor or such systems)
Jun 02 14:40:18 <sixfeet> shop
Jun 02 14:40:20 <Herod2k> we are tryng to translate thw wiki
Jun 02 14:40:31 <Herod2k> *the
Jun 02 14:40:41 <Herod2k> me and shainer_dev 
Jun 02 14:41:04 <shainer_dev> i tried also to disconnect and reconnect changing IP but it was useless...
Jun 02 14:43:10 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page]]
Jun 02 14:45:01 <shainer_dev> no the page i was trying to write is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973/it ... it doesn't exist because nobody translated it in Italian before
Jun 02 14:47:52 <SpeedEvil> So what's the problem?
Jun 02 14:48:27 <eclissi> the problem is that he had translated the page in Italian...
Jun 02 14:48:51 <shainer_dev> I'm a wiki translator but I couldn't post my translations on your wiki :)
Jun 02 14:49:10 <kito_> pipa just got banned last night
Jun 02 14:49:14 <kito_> if that helps at all
Jun 02 14:49:17 <SpeedEvil> On the page that woould link to that page - edit it to point to what the URL you want is.
Jun 02 14:49:22 <kito_> he was responsible for the pr0n
Jun 02 14:49:23 <SpeedEvil> err - page you want is
Jun 02 14:49:36 <SpeedEvil> then, simply click on the 'red' page title, and then fill it in
Jun 02 14:50:19 <shainer_dev> yes but another error message when i try to save my changes says my ip address is blocked
Jun 02 14:50:28 <SpeedEvil> Ah.
Jun 02 14:50:29 <Herod2k> Shainer I have the same problem
Jun 02 14:50:39 <SpeedEvil> Sorry - I misunderstood.
Jun 02 14:50:44 <eclissi> I think that italian IPs are blocked
Jun 02 14:50:58 <Herod2k> eclissi: ?
Jun 02 14:51:01 <Herod2k> :D
Jun 02 14:51:02 <shainer_dev> ?
Jun 02 14:51:37 <SpeedEvil> Someone may have gone a bit overboard on the blocks.
Jun 02 14:51:51 <Herod2k> "Autoblocked beacus your IP has been recently used by Pipa"
Jun 02 14:51:57 <shainer_dev> yes
Jun 02 14:52:13 <shainer_dev> Herod2k: the address showed is your IP address?
Jun 02 14:52:52 <Herod2k> no no
Jun 02 14:52:59 <Herod2k> i don't see the ip
Jun 02 14:53:16 <Herod2k> "Autoblocked beacus your IP has been recently used by Pipa" is the only message that i see
Jun 02 14:53:24 <shainer_dev> okà
Jun 02 14:53:26 <shainer_dev> *ok
Jun 02 14:53:27 <SpeedEvil> Herod2k: are you sharing your IP?
Jun 02 14:53:40 <Herod2k> no
Jun 02 14:53:58 <shainer_dev> !!
Jun 02 14:54:00 <SpeedEvil> Could anyone be on your wifi, vandalising your wiki?
Jun 02 14:54:09 <shainer_dev> now i inserted the page ...
Jun 02 14:54:24 <kito_> SpeedEvil: now that's mighty unlikely
Jun 02 14:54:50 <SpeedEvil> kito_: true.
Jun 02 14:54:57 <kito_> someone on his wifi for several days just happens to vandalize the wiki he is translating :-)
Jun 02 14:55:15 <shainer_dev> mh...
Jun 02 14:55:25 <SpeedEvil> Well - the other option is multiple personality disorder.
Jun 02 14:55:32 <kito_> hah
Jun 02 14:55:38 <shainer_dev> however, now i inserted the page without problems
Jun 02 14:55:42 <shainer_dev> with the same IP as before
Jun 02 14:55:43 <Kensan> You should get in touch with a WikiAdmin
Jun 02 14:55:55 <kito_> strange
Jun 02 14:56:13 <SpeedEvil> Sounds like some sort of wackyness in the IP.
Jun 02 14:56:44 <Herod2k> shainer_dev: i don't see the languages bar at the bottom
Jun 02 14:57:04 <shainer_dev> me neither
Jun 02 14:58:20 <shainer_dev> Kensan: you're right :)
Jun 02 14:58:55 <Herod2k> who is the wikiadmin?
Jun 02 14:59:49 <SpeedEvil> On a sort-of-related topic - is there a way to completely delete pages - if the title is porn, for example.
Jun 02 15:00:03 <Sup3rkiddo> dump mediawiki?
Jun 02 15:00:52 <Kensan> List of admins: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Listusers/Bureaucrat
Jun 02 15:01:14 <Herod2k> thanks Kensan 
Jun 02 15:01:16 <shainer_dev> thanks
Jun 02 15:01:34 <Kensan> Beware, since they are all working on the Neo1973 they are all mighty busy with development etc.
Jun 02 15:02:41 <shainer_dev> ok
Jun 02 15:08:51 <SpeedEvil> Is the community list stopped up?
Jun 02 15:13:20 <eclissi> bye
Jun 02 15:13:40 <shainer_dev> bye ...thanks :)
Jun 02 15:14:30 <Herod2k> by
Jun 02 15:14:33 <Herod2k> bye
Jun 02 15:16:47 <kiney> counter
Jun 02 15:16:48 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 2 days 22:21:34 (2.932 +-2.9 days) (1381;225)
Jun 02 15:47:12 <balrog-kun> this is strange - if i flash a kernel, the kernel boots and then scream about errors in the jffs2 indefinitely - now, if i flash a rootfs, the kernel won't load because there u-boot thinks the CRC doesn't match
Jun 02 15:47:54 <balrog-kun> as if the two partitions (rootfs & kernel) had an overlapping part
Jun 02 16:08:35 <antenagora> counter
Jun 02 16:08:35 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 2 days 21:55:41 (2.914 +-2.9 days) (1382;225)
Jun 02 16:43:00 <CIA-27> openmoko: 03laforge * r2133 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-pcf50606.patch: fix race condition in pcf50606_detect() (Andrzej Zaborowski)
Jun 02 16:44:05 <CIA-27> openmoko: 03laforge * r2134 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-core.patch: 
Jun 02 16:44:05 <CIA-27> openmoko: fix race condition due to boot-time driver initialization order problem
Jun 02 16:44:05 <CIA-27> openmoko: i.e. what happens if UDC wants to enable fast charge before pcf50606 driver
Jun 02 16:44:05 <CIA-27> openmoko: is initialized? (Andrzej Zaborowski)
Jun 02 16:44:10 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973/it]]
Jun 02 16:48:07 <k-s> koen: man, I managed to remove on bottleneck of evas on maemo platform: evas_tiler
Jun 02 16:48:30 <k-s> koen: check out CVS and see if you get speedups on openmoko
Jun 02 16:48:49 <koen> k-s: cool
Jun 02 16:49:13 <k-s> koen: it uses a bitmap matrix to represent dirty areas
Jun 02 16:49:42 <k-s> koen: it's 6000 byte matrix on n800 (800x480 / TILESIZE^2, TILESIZE = 8)
Jun 02 16:50:14 <k-s> koen: it always do 6000 lookups, even if the screen is empty
Jun 02 16:50:21 <koen> ouch
Jun 02 16:50:29 <k-s> koen: if screen is full, it do 2 * 6000
Jun 02 16:50:42 <k-s> thing is, this is damn fast on PC, with big data cache
Jun 02 16:50:54 <balrog-kun> ewww, the latest build automatically mounted my SD card partitions during "waiting for /dev to be fully populated"
Jun 02 16:51:06 <balrog-kun> i do hope they are mounted read-only
Jun 02 16:58:24 <balrog-kun> it would be cool to have mtdutils in the feeds
Jun 02 17:09:48 <balrog-kun> overall i'm impressed by the amount of progress done by the userspace team, kudos
Jun 02 17:13:10 <aloril> (script) planet: Harald "LaF0rge" Welte: Everyone is busy at OpenMoko http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/06/02#20070602-busy-busy-busy
Jun 02 17:15:11 * MacNorth hopes the 'second week of june' starts on the 4th :)
Jun 02 17:35:48 <kito_> sweet! phones in a few weeks
Jun 02 17:40:21 <cjb> oh, there's a new post?
Jun 02 17:43:57 <balrog-kun> how my changes in /etc/profile survived the rootfs upgrade is a mystery to me
Jun 02 17:57:53 <MacNorth> hrm, given that harald is going to taiwan on the 8th, 'the second week' starts on the 11th :-\
Jun 02 18:02:49 <aloril2> hmm.. is that then 1.5 or 2 or 2.5 weeks?
Jun 02 18:03:26 <MacNorth> in 10 days the QA starts
Jun 02 18:03:43 <MacNorth> so maybe an announcement the following week?
Jun 02 18:03:56 <aloril2> this is kind of good update: tells what is happening without actual deadlines
Jun 02 18:04:10 <balrog-kun> now Harald inadvertently caused everyone to study the gregorian calendar peculiarities
Jun 02 18:04:26 <MacNorth> 'phones are good! orders start on 20 jun' or 'phones are bad, add another month'
Jun 02 18:04:56 <aloril2> question is: will they QA all before ordering or will it be those become available as QA progresses
Jun 02 18:05:33 <MacNorth> i'd assume they'd do all 10% of them since they'd want to know how many are good/bad
Jun 02 18:05:52 <aloril2> phones are good -> few hours -> they are sold out
Jun 02 18:06:03 <MacNorth> possibly :)
Jun 02 18:06:17 <aloril2> (which of course happens while I sleep)
Jun 02 18:06:21 <MacNorth> but: good phones -> good process -> fast ramp-up
Jun 02 18:06:41 <balrog-kun> i understood that Harald was assigned 10% of them and other people parallelly will be QAing the other phones
Jun 02 18:07:09 <MacNorth> when were 'other people' mentioned?
Jun 02 18:07:39 <balrog-kun> nowhere, but i don't see why Harald would be the only person doing it
Jun 02 18:08:17 <aloril2> ramp up -> still additional week or few delay for unlucky people
Jun 02 18:08:52 <MacNorth> heh, one week in the context of a half year. it's like we're all 12 and waiting for the next-gen game console :-)
Jun 02 18:18:04 <aloril2> summer is just 10 weeks, so 3 additional weeks would be quite chunk
Jun 02 18:19:36 * kito_ cannot let himself sleep lest the phones sell out
Jun 02 18:20:40 <SpeedEvil> You've only got to not sleep for around 300 hours.
Jun 02 18:20:51 <DukeOfURL> with GSM, is DTMF sent in-band as audio, or is it sent out-of-band as data?
Jun 02 18:20:59 <SpeedEvil> As a side-effect, you can get the guinness book of records record for that.
Jun 02 18:21:05 <SpeedEvil> OOB IIRC AIUI.
Jun 02 18:21:11 <MacNorth> it would be nice if we could order before the iphone release in h the us. a lot of yanks think 'first to market' == best product or original idea
Jun 02 18:21:48 <DukeOfURL> counter
Jun 02 18:21:48 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 2 days 20:49:04 (2.867 +-2.9 days) (1383;225)
Jun 02 18:21:57 <MacNorth> DukeOfURL: see planet
Jun 02 18:22:16 <DukeOfURL> saw that.  does it mean after the 10% QA?
Jun 02 18:22:39 <MacNorth> define 'it' . . .
Jun 02 18:22:40 <DukeOfURL> end of next week?
Jun 02 18:22:55 <DukeOfURL> it being the availability of P1 phones...
Jun 02 18:23:15 <MacNorth> if the QA passes, then i would hope they would sell them
Jun 02 18:23:50 <DukeOfURL> if it's that close then FIC should be accepting pre orders...
Jun 02 18:24:10 <SpeedEvil> Naah - they've got to learn to juggle each phone for 6 hours at a time.
Jun 02 18:24:21 <DukeOfURL> heh
Jun 02 18:24:37 <SpeedEvil> That's only 600 hours though, so it's not too bad.
Jun 02 18:25:35 * DukeOfURL wondering if there's anything in GSM that precludes sending hex digits using DTMF...
Jun 02 18:27:21 <SpeedEvil> The screen isn't wide enough.
Jun 02 18:27:43 <DukeOfURL> wide enough?
Jun 02 18:28:24 <SpeedEvil> Yeah - for the A-D keys.
Jun 02 18:30:43 <DukeOfURL> well, there are four rows and four columns, which is 16 frequency pairs.  
Jun 02 18:31:12 <DukeOfURL> im thinking moko to PBX communication without data plan.
Jun 02 18:31:36 <DukeOfURL> afteri the call has been established
Jun 02 18:32:13 <SpeedEvil> It should work.
Jun 02 18:32:18 <SpeedEvil> As I understand it.
Jun 02 18:32:24 <Kensan> DukeOfURL: Keep in mind that P1 is targeted at developers not at end users.
Jun 02 18:32:52 <DukeOfURL> I've been developing since the 60s :-)
Jun 02 18:32:53 <Kensan> (^refers to pre-order)
Jun 02 18:51:37 <SpeedEvil> Something seems broken.
Jun 02 18:51:59 <SpeedEvil> I'm getting occasional 'you have been blocked as you're using an IP previously used by pipa"
Jun 02 19:30:57 <aloril2> counter_msg counter not yet updated, see laforge's busy entry at http://planet.openmoko.org
Jun 02 19:30:57 <aloril> aloril2 changed counter prefix message to counter not yet updated, see laforge's busy entry at http://planet.openmoko.org 
Jun 02 19:37:04 <pjz> "harald just posted to his blog
Jun 02 19:41:09 * SpeedEvil mehs.
Jun 02 19:41:22 * SpeedEvil ponders if he can be bothered to check it.
Jun 02 19:42:44 <SpeedEvil> Oh - that one.
Jun 02 19:42:46 <SpeedEvil> Old news.
Jun 02 20:18:32 <LuitvD> counter
Jun 02 20:18:32 <aloril> counter not yet updated, see laforge's busy entry at http://planet.openmoko.org P1: 2 days 19:50:42 (2.827 +-2.8 days) (1384;225)
Jun 02 20:18:45 <LuitvD> ... :|
Jun 02 20:39:02 <balrog-kun> wow, Flight mode is already there
Jun 02 20:39:17 <SpeedEvil> Flight mode? It can fly? Cool!
Jun 02 20:39:47 <balrog-kun> i was wondering for a moment, but then i remembered it's just GSM off :)
Jun 02 20:39:52 <guaqua> i'm guessing flight mode was the easiest to implement since the connectivity isn't quite there yet ;)
Jun 02 20:40:12 <balrog-kun> the point is it's implemented already and there's a menu entry
Jun 02 20:40:27 <SpeedEvil> http://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3391 is what we need to add onto an expansion back.
Jun 02 21:10:17 <pointer> anyone home?
Jun 02 21:10:18 <aloril> pointer: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
Jun 02 21:10:39 <ewon> me, but I'm not a moko dev
Jun 02 21:10:53 <pointer> ewon: ah, ok
Jun 02 21:16:46 <LuitvD> aloril: that was a lousy trigger...
Jun 02 21:17:49 <pointer> heh
Jun 02 21:48:09 <pawalls> Where can I get mine? :)
Jun 02 21:48:09 <aloril> pawalls: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
Jun 02 21:48:27 <SpeedEvil> Looking like a coupleof weeks.
Jun 02 21:48:35 <SpeedEvil> production has happened.
Jun 02 21:48:40 <SpeedEvil> QA in progress.
Jun 02 21:48:48 <pawalls> Cool.
Jun 02 21:48:58 <SpeedEvil> 1K or so done
Jun 02 21:49:02 <pawalls> Anything i need to do to be considered for pre-market purchase?
Jun 02 21:49:20 <SpeedEvil> obtain 350 purchase vouchers.
Jun 02 21:49:25 <SpeedEvil> ($)
Jun 02 21:50:29 <hads> (US)
Jun 02 21:50:46 <SpeedEvil> Zimbabwe dollars will not work :)
Jun 02 21:51:12 <pawalls> Are the vouchers available now, or do I need to wait until they're ready?
Jun 02 21:52:00 <SpeedEvil> Err - sorry, /me was being obscure.
Jun 02 21:52:08 <SpeedEvil> You simply need 350 us dollars.
Jun 02 21:52:21 <hads> And a little patience :)
Jun 02 21:52:56 * pawalls nods.
Jun 02 21:52:57 <pawalls> Cool.
Jun 02 21:55:13 <usagi__> Hello
Jun 02 22:14:08 <usagi__> Anyone around?
Jun 02 22:18:59 <LuitvD> I am, but I'm not of any use here I guess...
Jun 02 22:20:13 <Psi_> im around too
Jun 02 22:20:23 * xkr47 is asquare
Jun 02 22:20:30 <Psi_> heh
Jun 02 22:20:40 <xkr47> anyone atriangle? :)
Jun 02 22:20:49 <Vegar> me
Jun 02 22:23:00 <xkr47> usagi__, so, we're all set here :)
Jun 02 22:23:20 <usagi__> :)
Jun 02 22:23:59 <usagi__> Anyone an expert on the OpenMoko phone?
Jun 02 22:24:33 <Rince> usagi__: what is your question?
Jun 02 22:25:36 <usagi__> What ports does it currently have?
Jun 02 22:26:23 <Psi_> usb, a few GPIO, mic, spk L, Spk R, charging  have i missed any?
Jun 02 22:26:50 <Vegar> external antenna?
Jun 02 22:27:07 <Psi_> hm.. cant say ive seen one in the pics, but yeah, could definitly have that
Jun 02 22:27:09 <xkr47> i2c maybe ?
Jun 02 22:27:24 <Psi_> yes, i think that was planed, not sure which version has it though
Jun 02 22:27:25 <Vegar> at least P2 will have a car kit with an external antenna
Jun 02 22:27:45 <Vegar> charging = usb btw
Jun 02 22:27:48 <SpeedEvil> I2C/SPI is solderable-to
Jun 02 22:27:51 <usagi__> ok cool
Jun 02 22:27:53 <Psi_> oh, right, i forgot
Jun 02 22:28:04 <SpeedEvil> it's not brought out on a normal connector, only the debug connector
Jun 02 22:28:10 <usagi__> what is P2? Phase 2?
Jun 02 22:28:15 <SpeedEvil> yes
Jun 02 22:28:18 <SpeedEvil> September
Jun 02 22:28:22 <Vegar> and headset plug
Jun 02 22:28:53 <Psi_> yep headset plug is GND,MIC,SPKL,SPKR
Jun 02 22:29:05 <usagi__> The first one has no bluetoth or wifi right?
Jun 02 22:29:06 <aloril> P1.5 will likely have WiFi (Atheros AR6K): http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-April/000012.html  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F  (WiFi status for P1.5 will be known for sure when P1 becomes available and also what kind of discount for P1.5 is given for P1 buyers)
Jun 02 22:29:18 <Psi_> first one HAS bluetooth
Jun 02 22:29:35 <usagi__> good, but no wifi
Jun 02 22:29:39 <Psi_> correct
Jun 02 22:29:47 <xkr47> afawk :)
Jun 02 22:30:31 <Psi_> P1+ is supposed to have wifi added
Jun 02 22:30:39 <usagi__> with wifi it would be posssible to switch between VOIP and cell networks
Jun 02 22:30:49 <usagi__> that would be awesome
Jun 02 22:30:52 <Psi_> yes, thats one of the reasons we all want it
Jun 02 22:30:54 <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
Jun 02 22:31:08 <xkr47> if only bluetooth was popular and had longer range ;-)
Jun 02 22:31:16 <Psi_> heh
Jun 02 22:31:17 <usagi__> :)
Jun 02 22:31:29 <Vegar> harald bluetooth
Jun 02 22:32:02 <usagi__> Is the screen OLED?
Jun 02 22:32:31 <Psi_> actually i don't know, good question, anyone?
Jun 02 22:32:53 <xkr47> let's check the hardware page
Jun 02 22:32:57 <xkr47> if it says backlight, then no
Jun 02 22:33:20 <Psi_> yeah, pretty sure it has a backlight
Jun 02 22:33:22 <SpeedEvil> It's LCD
Jun 02 22:33:26 <SpeedEvil> TFT+backlight.
Jun 02 22:33:34 <SpeedEvil> Not reflective at all though.
Jun 02 22:33:55 <usagi__> LCD is bad in the sun though
Jun 02 22:34:05 <xkr47> isn't the reflectivity only up to the thin films on each side of the crystal glass ?
Jun 02 22:34:05 <SpeedEvil> OLED isn't any better at the same power.
Jun 02 22:34:15 <SpeedEvil> xkr47: not quite.
Jun 02 22:34:28 <xkr47> ok
Jun 02 22:34:42 <SpeedEvil> You have a tradeoff between backlight and reflectivity.
Jun 02 22:34:49 <SpeedEvil> If you have a mirror, you get max reflectivity.
Jun 02 22:34:50 <xkr47> true
Jun 02 22:34:56 <SpeedEvil> But, no backlight can get through.
Jun 02 22:34:56 <usagi__> yeah
Jun 02 22:35:08 <xkr47> if you have the opposite.. you get great backlight transmission
Jun 02 22:35:09 <SpeedEvil> The neo is the opposite - no reflector.
Jun 02 22:35:23 <SpeedEvil> The amount of light getting out sucks though.
Jun 02 22:35:32 <SpeedEvil> Half is eaten by the polariser.
Jun 02 22:35:48 <SpeedEvil> Then 2/3 is eaten by hitting a pixel of the wrong colour.
Jun 02 22:35:48 <xkr47> should be a motor swapping the film behind the lcd between mirror and transmissive :)
Jun 02 22:35:50 <usagi__> I heard OLED uses less battery for the same brightness
Jun 02 22:35:53 <SpeedEvil> So at best you get 1/3 out.
Jun 02 22:36:02 <SpeedEvil> usagi__: it's complex.
Jun 02 22:36:10 <SpeedEvil> OLED at teh moment is very inefficient.
Jun 02 22:36:28 <usagi__> oh
Jun 02 22:36:37 <SpeedEvil> Compared to 'normal' LEDs
Jun 02 22:37:12 <xkr47> SpeedEvil, well if you are showing white pixels I guess they get 50% light?
Jun 02 22:37:18 <SpeedEvil> No.
Jun 02 22:37:32 <xkr47> sorry for making stupid assumptions and suggesting them out loud
Jun 02 22:37:32 <xkr47> :)
Jun 02 22:37:43 <SpeedEvil> The light doesn't know that it needs to go through a red pixel if it's red.
Jun 02 22:37:59 <SpeedEvil> So it can try to go through any pixel.
Jun 02 22:38:10 <xkr47> ah now I get it
Jun 02 22:38:14 <SpeedEvil> And 2/3 of it hits the wrong sort.
Jun 02 22:38:27 <SpeedEvil> So at best 1/6th of the light from the backlight gets out.
Jun 02 22:38:49 <xkr47> and if you're red, green or blue, only a third of that
Jun 02 22:38:54 <SpeedEvil> It's similar - though worse for light coming through the front.
Jun 02 22:39:09 <usagi__> So do you think the phone is currently using the best display?
Jun 02 22:39:18 <xkr47> you're -> you're showing
Jun 02 22:39:27 <SpeedEvil> Well - that's true, but on no display does it get three times as bright if you show red than white
Jun 02 22:39:33 <SpeedEvil> usagi__: hard to say.
Jun 02 22:39:38 <xkr47> :)
Jun 02 22:39:41 <usagi__> yeah
Jun 02 22:39:43 <SpeedEvil> It uses comparatively large amounts of power.
Jun 02 22:39:50 <SpeedEvil> But it's good in medium-low light.
Jun 02 22:40:09 <xkr47> I guess you don't get much more dpi than what it gives
Jun 02 22:40:19 <SpeedEvil> But you can't for example - have a screensaver with no backlight.
Jun 02 22:40:33 <SpeedEvil> Which black and white LCDs can trivially give you at almost no power cost.
Jun 02 22:41:23 <ynezz> lcd off is the best screensaver
Jun 02 22:41:26 <ynezz> ;)
Jun 02 22:41:33 <SpeedEvil> Well, I disagree.
Jun 02 22:41:47 <SpeedEvil> If you can for almost no power have a near-fixed display, that can be very nice.
Jun 02 22:41:53 <Vegar> why wouldn't it be possible to have the backlight on the sides of the LCD?
Jun 02 22:41:55 <SpeedEvil> Showing clock, missed calls, ...
Jun 02 22:41:56 <xkr47> there should be a hole in the side letting light in to function as backlight ;)
Jun 02 22:42:08 <SpeedEvil> Vegar: sides?
Jun 02 22:42:11 <xkr47> or in the back
Jun 02 22:42:31 <Vegar> SpeedEvil: instead of behind
Jun 02 22:42:34 <SpeedEvil> xkr47: that gets complex though.
Jun 02 22:42:39 <SpeedEvil> Vegar: err - why?
Jun 02 22:42:39 <xkr47> sure
Jun 02 22:42:48 * xkr47 stops speculating wildly
Jun 02 22:42:53 <SpeedEvil> Vegar: you mean on the front?
Jun 02 22:42:54 <usagi__> :)
Jun 02 22:42:57 <Vegar> SpeedEvil: yes
Jun 02 22:43:16 <SpeedEvil> Vegar: You can - but then you tend to need to get it out at a reasonable angle, or it just bounces off.
Jun 02 22:43:44 <SpeedEvil> So you'd need an LED sticking way up over the display
Jun 02 22:43:48 <Vegar> ah
Jun 02 22:44:02 <SpeedEvil> Which is not impossible - but would look strange.
Jun 02 22:44:20 <Vegar> forgot about that
Jun 02 22:44:32 <SpeedEvil> Also - touchscreens, and it gets messy.
Jun 02 22:44:33 <Vegar> same technique used in fibre optics
Jun 02 22:44:37 <SpeedEvil> As fingers cast shadows.
Jun 02 22:44:45 <noidd> 'lo
Jun 02 22:44:50 <SpeedEvil> '
Jun 02 22:45:22 <xkr47> heh
Jun 02 22:45:29 <xkr47> hel'lo
Jun 02 22:45:50 <SpeedEvil> OLED will probably evolve to the point in some years when it's efficient enough to replace LCDs. But it's not there yet - either in terms of efficiency or life.
Jun 02 22:46:25 <SpeedEvil> emissive LCDs I mean, not reflective.
Jun 02 22:46:31 <SpeedEvil> Then there is e-paper and stuff.
Jun 02 22:46:32 <Psi_> why not just polish the eyeballs of everyone who buys a phone :P  pitchblack style
Jun 02 22:46:40 <Psi_> problem solved
Jun 02 22:46:49 <xkr47> what was it that the olpc had for display
Jun 02 22:47:01 <SpeedEvil> It's a wierd reflective LCD, that may also have promise.
Jun 02 22:47:18 <xkr47> I heard in black-white mode the picture stays even without power
Jun 02 22:47:24 <xkr47> or maybe minimal power, dunno
Jun 02 22:47:26 <SpeedEvil> Not true alas.
Jun 02 22:47:29 <SpeedEvil> It's minimal power.
Jun 02 22:47:38 <xkr47> yeah thought so..
Jun 02 22:47:41 <SpeedEvil> There is an ASIC - or will be in the release version - that refreshes the screen.
Jun 02 22:47:46 <SpeedEvil> Without the CPU needing to be on.
Jun 02 22:47:50 <rwhitby> I worked on FLCD displays that kept the picture without power
Jun 02 22:48:04 <SpeedEvil> That's a problem in the neo - the CPU has to be on at full speed in order to run the LCD.
Jun 02 22:48:13 <xkr47> :P
Jun 02 22:48:54 <usagi__> can you hook up, say a keyboard, to the usb port?
Jun 02 22:48:57 <SpeedEvil> Sure.
Jun 02 22:49:00 <SpeedEvil> You'll need power.
Jun 02 22:49:06 <Psi_> ^
Jun 02 22:49:08 <SpeedEvil> However, bluetooth may be a better solution.
Jun 02 22:49:19 <usagi__> right
Jun 02 22:49:25 <SpeedEvil> There are ~$30 credit-card sized bluetooth keybs.
Jun 02 22:49:27 <usagi__> is it usb 2.0?
Jun 02 22:49:29 <Psi_> nope
Jun 02 22:49:30 <SpeedEvil> 11
Jun 02 22:49:37 <usagi__> k
Jun 02 22:49:47 <usagi__> that's cool
Jun 02 22:50:02 <Vegar> I believe 2.0 is overrated
Jun 02 22:50:13 <usagi__> just faster right?
Jun 02 22:50:24 <Psi_> they are limited by what chipset they can use because very few mobile chipsets are open
Jun 02 22:50:40 <xkr47> 2.0 is nice just so that the limit won't be 12M in case you need 20
Jun 02 22:50:48 <Psi_> and the chipset they picked only had usb  1.1
Jun 02 22:51:01 <SpeedEvil> Few mobile low-power chipsets have usb2
Jun 02 22:51:06 <SpeedEvil> At least in host mode.
Jun 02 22:52:22 <usagi__> I actually don't know much about bluetooth, is there a limit to the number of devices you can have per antenna?
Jun 02 22:52:24 * xkr47 wants openmoko with an esata port ;--)
Jun 02 22:53:34 <SpeedEvil> usagi__: Not really.
Jun 02 22:53:56 <usagi__> that's great
Jun 02 22:54:10 <SpeedEvil> Some of the TI OMAP devices look interesting. Embedded DSP, and really low power.
Jun 02 22:54:31 <Vegar> are there bluetooth displays?
Jun 02 22:54:38 <SpeedEvil> Not really.
Jun 02 22:54:49 <xkr47> I think the bandwidth wouldn't bee enough
Jun 02 22:54:54 <SpeedEvil> Too slow for most stuff.
Jun 02 22:54:55 <Vegar> hehe
Jun 02 22:55:03 <SpeedEvil> Though you could have a bluetooth x terminal.
Jun 02 22:55:11 <Vegar> a bluetooth-based docking station would be cool
Jun 02 22:55:21 <xkr47> bluetooth vt100 terminal ;)
Jun 02 22:55:47 <SpeedEvil> xkr47: Now you're being silly.
Jun 02 22:55:58 <xkr47> yep :D
Jun 02 22:56:03 <Kensan> xkr47, that's called ssh ;)
Jun 02 22:56:20 <xkr47> I just took an amber-coloured vtxxx terminal to the recycling senter
Jun 02 22:56:25 <mjr> I thought the Neo _is_ a Bluetooth X terminal
Jun 02 22:56:35 <xkr47> man that little 10" think weighed as much as my 19" crt
Jun 02 22:56:48 <SpeedEvil> mjr: I mean something like a 6" LCD with power lead and bluetooth.
Jun 02 22:57:08 <SpeedEvil> You connect to it as any other X display.
Jun 02 23:01:17 <cjb> SpeedEvil: your IRC client has a bold colon again.
Jun 02 23:01:32 <cjb> it's funny; my client can handle UTF8 just fine, but it doesn't like these control characters.
Jun 02 23:01:38 <SpeedEvil> Odd.
Jun 02 23:01:41 <SpeedEvil> ::
Jun 02 23:01:46 <cjb> that's fine
Jun 02 23:02:23 <mjr> SpeedEvil, it only does it for (something that it guesses to be) a nick, apparently
Jun 02 23:02:31 <SpeedEvil> Sigh.
Jun 02 23:02:45 <usagi__> What service do cell phones use to get internet, is it just broadcast through the network or something like satellite?
Jun 02 23:02:48 * mjr guesses bitchx, but no version from you :]
Jun 02 23:02:57 <SpeedEvil> usagi__: same as the voice calls
Jun 02 23:03:03 <mjr> usagi__, hmh? normal cell network
Jun 02 23:03:20 <SpeedEvil> usagi__: there is an underlying data protocol, and they use that for voice and data and fax and sms and foo
Jun 02 23:03:35 <usagi__> okay
Jun 02 23:03:48 <Vegar> unless they use GPRS?
Jun 02 23:03:56 <SpeedEvil> GPRS is over GSM network
Jun 02 23:04:09 <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM
Jun 02 23:04:29 <SpeedEvil> The protocol may just be used to negotiate the data on another frequency - things depend.
Jun 02 23:04:51 <Vegar> and the neo does not support edge?
Jun 02 23:04:55 <SpeedEvil> Nope.
Jun 02 23:05:09 <SpeedEvil> At the moment, GSM is 90% or so of the global market.
Jun 02 23:05:19 <SpeedEvil> Edge radios are a bit more expensive.
Jun 02 23:05:28 <SpeedEvil> And not everyone can use it.
Jun 02 23:05:50 <Vegar> according to the wikipedia page, EDGE is over GSM
Jun 02 23:05:59 <SpeedEvil> Yeah.
Jun 02 23:06:10 <SpeedEvil> But it's not standard - and not rolled out everywhere.
Jun 02 23:06:23 <Vegar> "Higher speed data transmission has also been introduced with EDGE in the Release '99 version of the standard."
Jun 02 23:06:24 <SpeedEvil> Or ratehr - it's a newer standard.
Jun 02 23:06:27 <Vegar> standard
Jun 02 23:06:41 <Vegar> so for the neo to support edge, it'd need hardware changes
Jun 02 23:07:33 <SpeedEvil> Same as for the faster CDMA/HSDPA/UMTS or whatever standards.
Jun 02 23:07:48 <SpeedEvil> Though edge modems tend to be a bit cheaper than those.
Jun 02 23:13:56 <usagi__> is bluetooth something you could use for syncing apps with a base computer?
Jun 02 23:14:41 <cjb> sure.
Jun 02 23:16:04 <usagi__> I think I'll buy 10 of thses when it's finished. :)
Jun 02 23:19:14 <usagi__> I going to take off, thank you all for being so knowledgeable. This is a very exciting project ;)
Jun 02 23:19:32 <SpeedEvil> Wave.
Jun 02 23:31:23 * LuitvD fell asleep
Jun 02 23:37:56 <Sufflope> counter
Jun 02 23:37:57 <aloril> counter not yet updated, see laforge's busy entry at http://planet.openmoko.org P1: 2 days 18:11:00 (2.758 +-2.8 days) (1385;225)
Jun 02 23:43:43 <happycube> awesome news about the chinese phones... i hope most of em work!
Jun 02 23:43:51 <happycube> (and that gta02v1 is in ;) )
Jun 02 23:44:10 <aloril> (script) planet: Holger "zecke" Freyther: WebKit/Gdk Google Gears http://zecke.blogspot.com/2007/06/webkitgdk-google-gears.html
Jun 02 23:45:46 <happycube> that's also pretty cool 
Jun 02 23:45:48 <happycube> :)
Jun 02 23:53:19 <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ3N19y_fSs
Jun 02 23:53:21 <SpeedEvil> Err
Jun 02 23:53:30 <SpeedEvil> I was trying to copy the google-gears url.
Jun 02 23:53:31 <SpeedEvil> Sigh.
Jun 02 23:54:34 <SpeedEvil> gta02v1 = P1+?
Jun 02 23:55:23 <SpeedEvil> And is the community list broken?
Jun 02 23:57:00 <quinton> sorry if this is a dumb question, but is the sim card behind the GSM module?
Jun 02 23:57:00 <aloril> quinton: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
Jun 02 23:57:04 <quinton> i mean, would you get data from it using at commands?
Jun 02 23:57:26 <SpeedEvil> yes
Jun 02 23:57:39 <SpeedEvil> it's only connected to the GSM module as I unbderstand it.
Jun 03 00:10:46 <noidd> SpeedEvil: what country do you live in?
Jun 03 00:13:10 <aloril> (script) planet: Holger "zecke" Freyther: Thank you Google http://zecke.blogspot.com/2007/06/thank-you-google.html
Jun 03 00:14:45 * SpeedEvil checks.
Jun 03 00:14:50 <SpeedEvil> Scotland!
Jun 03 00:17:41 <KragenSitaker> shit
Jun 03 00:17:43 <KragenSitaker> sorry
Jun 03 00:18:17 <ar2> free my phone..  umm?
Jun 03 00:18:24 <ar2> ;)
Jun 03 00:19:32 <DukeOfURL> pastebin seems to be stuck
Jun 03 00:22:23 <DukeOfURL> I have NMEA output from my Garmin GPS, but pastebin won't work.
Jun 03 00:22:35 <DukeOfURL> Is there a doc on the NMEA format?
Jun 03 00:23:15 <SpeedEvil> yes
Jun 03 00:23:23 <SpeedEvil> google GPGGA format NMEA
Jun 03 00:23:25 <SpeedEvil> lots of docs
Jun 03 00:23:32 <DukeOfURL> thx
Jun 03 00:24:53 * DukeOfURL <whew>
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