**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 18 02:59:57 2007 Jun 18 03:56:07 counter? Jun 18 03:56:08 "/msg aloril counter?" for actual long message, giving short version here: http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (70% for P1 <=2007-07-07) 40% for P1: 2 days 04:01:54 (2.168±2.2 days) (1502;232) Jun 18 04:50:39 http://gpsvisualizer.com/display/1182142053-02914-151.203.11.103.html # my public transit ride home, as recorded by openmoko :) Jun 18 06:12:49 openmoko: 03laforge * r2290 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/ (s3c24xx-nand-largepage.patch series): Add Ben Dooks' 244x large page NAND support Jun 18 06:14:01 openmoko: 03laforge * r2291 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/smedia-glamo.patch: first intermediate core driver snapshot. now VRAM access works. still very unfinished Jun 18 06:21:23 * CM watches the svn commits and waits for an announcement of availability. :9 Jun 18 06:26:23 CM: dunno about availability, however I'm pushing OpenMoko to release an announcement while I'm still here. Jun 18 06:26:49 mickey|fic: Thanks, any news is better than nothing. :-) Jun 18 06:37:26 counter Jun 18 06:37:27 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (70% for P1 <=2007-07-07) 40% for P1: 2 days 02:41:14 (2.112±2.1 days) (1503;232) Jun 18 06:43:49 mickey|fic: how long are you going to be there? Jun 18 06:45:22 i wonder, if I'll be the lucky one to order one of the first 500 Neos ;-) Jun 18 06:46:34 aloril: leaving on 23th Jun 18 06:47:38 hmm.. sounds like this week is unlikely then Jun 18 06:48:44 (for ordering unless announcement and ordering are close to each one) Jun 18 06:55:45 ynezz: it could be 700 or 1000 before we can actually order items in stock (next 2 weeks 500 more being produced) Jun 18 06:58:05 thanks for info about potential news Jun 18 07:05:25 bu yong xie Jun 18 07:07:08 guten tag Jun 18 07:07:19 guten nacht Jun 18 07:07:28 :D Jun 18 07:07:34 it's gute nacht Jun 18 07:07:46 mein beine tut mir vieh Jun 18 07:07:54 missed the e Jun 18 07:08:04 s/vieh/weh/ Jun 18 07:08:08 i'm sore and dying, gimme some credit :) Jun 18 07:08:12 hehe Jun 18 07:08:18 that always works Jun 18 07:08:26 talking about a good night.... Jun 18 07:08:29 * mickey|fic seeing laforge sleeping Jun 18 07:08:42 wie spät ist es in taiwan? Jun 18 07:08:49 * ColdFyre sees his bed after a 9 mile walk in old sneakers Jun 18 07:08:56 Vegar: 15:08 Jun 18 07:09:09 4 days only, 40% is too big for that (especially when there are no news yet) Jun 18 07:09:20 counter_msg http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (70% for P1 <=2007-07-07) 30% for Jun 18 07:09:20 aloril changed counter prefix message to http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (70% for P1 <=2007-07-07) 30% for Jun 18 07:09:33 my german has been fading Jun 18 07:09:35 quite a bit Jun 18 07:09:51 I used to be able to make reasonable sentences Jun 18 07:09:59 i can... Jun 18 07:10:01 ...somewhat Jun 18 07:10:20 wer haben sie deutsch gelernt? Jun 18 07:10:36 Sie* Jun 18 07:10:41 i know Jun 18 07:10:45 too lazy for caps Jun 18 07:11:42 in die Schule Jun 18 07:11:47 actual shipping date is probably still quite hard to predict for anybody, including Sean, but pre-ordering date is possible I guess Jun 18 07:12:28 oh crap Jun 18 07:12:37 it's 9.12 and I haven't gone to bed yet Jun 18 07:12:39 no die Jun 18 07:12:50 oo Jun 18 07:12:54 00:12 here Jun 18 07:14:09 been fishing all night Jun 18 07:15:32 sounds fun :) Jun 18 07:16:17 ColdFyre: heyy that's my latitude Jun 18 07:16:30 longitude rather Jun 18 07:16:38 since i went out all weekend i never got a chance to cross compile crap for my hpone :( Jun 18 07:16:55 for your what? Jun 18 07:16:56 transedge Jun 18 07:16:58 lol i'm sorry Jun 18 07:17:02 phone* Jun 18 07:17:13 the question is still valid Jun 18 07:17:22 what phone? Jun 18 07:17:35 compile ... for my cell phone moto a780 Jun 18 07:17:44 ah Jun 18 07:18:07 I once had a motorola Jun 18 07:18:39 where did it go? Jun 18 07:18:41 the answer/hang up buttons were.. uhm.. swapped Jun 18 07:18:45 so I got rid of it Jun 18 07:18:49 ha Jun 18 07:19:05 and now it doesn't work, complains about SMS memory being full when it's empty Jun 18 07:19:28 i'm trying to convince all my freinds to give up those ugly treos/windows mobile POS phone for when the neo comes out Jun 18 07:19:40 what model was it? Jun 18 07:19:52 ColdFyre: german "Vieh" is english "Beast" :-) Jun 18 07:20:21 schurig: that just added a whole twist on what i said Jun 18 07:20:23 ColdFyre: not quite sure, it doesn't say Jun 18 07:20:24 let me check Jun 18 07:20:47 hey.. my old SIM card is in it Jun 18 07:20:58 Hehe, the weirdest translation error is one that I once heard from a missionary Jun 18 07:21:50 you opened the door...what was it? Jun 18 07:21:57 He was in some arab country and wanted to say "I have Jesus in my heart". The word for heard sounds however very similar to the word for "dog" ... and dogs are seen as unclean animals in that social context Jun 18 07:22:15 ColdFyre: what was it? A long sentence to type :-) Jun 18 07:22:56 "I have Jesus in my dog" Jun 18 07:23:40 heh Jun 18 07:23:41 why not Jun 18 07:23:51 everywhere Jun 18 07:24:47 mickey|fic: in german pronounciation "chalb" vs. "kalb". The first one actually almost swiss-german spoken Jun 18 07:24:54 hm, anyone able to tell me how to rebuild a familiar ipkg for openmoko? there's a "gpe-go" app; I can install the familiar ipkg, and it starts up, but crashes with SIGILL pretty soon, so I guess it was compiled for the wrong arm Jun 18 07:25:09 so I just need to know how to take a familiar ipkg and recompile it for the openmoko target Jun 18 07:25:24 ColdFyre: I believe it might have been T191 Jun 18 07:25:27 mickey|fic: do they have some local brand of beer over there? Jun 18 07:25:48 never heard of that model Jun 18 07:25:50 ynezz: yah, i forgot how it's called, but i had one last week. not bad Jun 18 07:25:58 cjb: you should use OpenEmbedded for that. The easiest start is maybe the MokoMakefile (see Wiki) Jun 18 07:26:07 cjb: find the corresponding .bb, then build it with OE. Jun 18 07:26:30 if it's not too old, then you may find a bb. Recent familiar builds use OE Jun 18 07:26:37 ColdFyre: http://www.motorola.com/rtte/PCS/MEdocs/AC2-41A.html Jun 18 07:27:07 ahh holy crap dude Jun 18 07:27:11 hehe Jun 18 07:27:26 http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=590 <--min Jun 18 07:30:23 goodnight all Jun 18 07:30:44 night Jun 18 07:30:48 mickey|fic: thanks, will take a look. Jun 18 07:38:28 Sprechen wir jetzt Deutsch? Jun 18 07:40:24 no, #openmoko.de is still a bit away Jun 18 07:40:56 heh Jun 18 07:41:26 I saw the R&TTE declarations of conformity, and thought that it was a sticker that certified your phone as boring Jun 18 07:41:33 I mean, look at those phones Jun 18 07:42:31 heya Jun 18 07:42:58 Nein, wir sprechen English Jun 18 07:45:05 entshuldigung(sp?), ich spreche nicht sprechen deutsches... I'm ok in French or English though ;) Jun 18 07:45:31 i had 7 years of french in scool Jun 18 07:45:36 nothing left Jun 18 07:45:39 forgot anything Jun 18 07:45:39 * Stephmw comforts mickey|fic Jun 18 07:45:40 never practiced Jun 18 07:45:52 I'm quickly losing mine, and I'm a native Jun 18 07:45:53 I had german for five years Jun 18 07:46:03 spent 20 years in the UK Jun 18 07:46:38 I've had german for two years, and it's doing almost nothing for me here :( Jun 18 07:47:12 I can order food and get train tickets, but I can't hold a conversation to save me Jun 18 07:49:42 I had german for 5 years too, but that's 10 years ago Jun 18 07:50:13 Ich verstehe, aber Ich konnte nichts schreiben oder sprechen. Jun 18 07:53:58 * cjb wonders how to use control or backspace working in openmoko-terminal. Jun 18 07:54:07 (the backspace button produces something other than backspace.) Jun 18 07:55:18 try switching to the matchbox keyboard Jun 18 07:55:34 will bring sanity into the omkeyboard hopefully soon Jun 18 07:55:41 it looks cool, but is hardly usable Jun 18 07:55:46 mb-keyboard vice versa :) Jun 18 07:55:47 ah, I see :) Jun 18 07:55:54 one of us working on merging back Jun 18 07:56:02 (because essentially om-keyboard is a fork of mb-keyboard) Jun 18 07:57:38 hm, how do I switch? Jun 18 07:58:38 mickey|fic: I thought it might be holding down over the white panel area, but doesn't seem to be. Jun 18 07:58:50 it is Jun 18 07:58:56 but you need to find the right spot Jun 18 07:59:01 it's the rightmost part Jun 18 07:59:47 huh, backspace doesn't work in matchbox's keyboard either Jun 18 08:00:30 oh. it works, but the terminal doesn't understand the escape sequence it produces Jun 18 08:00:51 ah Jun 18 08:00:58 hi there. Jun 18 08:00:58 interesting. we might miss some terminal setup then Jun 18 08:04:46 seems to happen whatever $TERM is set to -- xterm, ansi, vt100. Jun 18 08:08:59 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] Jun 18 08:17:01 cool, I saw that the neo release is near Jun 18 08:20:04 some cool events will happen Jun 18 08:20:14 one i'm looking forward to is friday Jun 18 08:20:23 end of the week is always nice Jun 18 08:20:25 friday, rasterman comes from tokyo for a meeting Jun 18 08:20:27 heh Jun 18 08:21:03 * rwhitby expresses ignorance as to who rasterman is Jun 18 08:21:22 s/expresses/confesses/ Jun 18 08:23:07 heh Jun 18 08:23:16 the driving force of graphics in linux Jun 18 08:23:23 s/graphics/eye candy/ Jun 18 08:23:23 mickey|fic meant: the driving force of eye candy in linux Jun 18 08:23:34 rasterman did enlightenment window manager back in the 90s Jun 18 08:23:49 and nowadays is working on a set of really cool libraries for all kinds of next-gen UIs Jun 18 08:23:53 "fluid UIs" Jun 18 08:23:58 cool Jun 18 08:24:08 mickey|fic: do you have some pointers? Jun 18 08:24:39 rasterman.com/files Jun 18 08:24:44 all kinds of videos and images Jun 18 08:27:34 thanks Jun 18 08:27:47 if you're more into reading, i recommend Jun 18 08:27:49 http://homepages.pathfinder.gr/kazanaki/contrib/concepts.pdf Jun 18 08:31:01 ahah. if only those next-gen UIs are usable... Jun 18 08:31:13 seriously, E is completely unusable. Jun 18 08:32:12 thresh: i never used it Jun 18 08:32:13 possible. not talking about E here Jun 18 08:32:23 morning Jun 18 08:32:29 i'm rather into EFL than E Jun 18 08:32:33 morning TRIsoft Jun 18 08:32:38 i've tried wmii... That's love at first sight Jun 18 08:33:23 mickey|fic: well, as the only window manager + apps utilizing those "candy eye omg it's moving" widgets.. Jun 18 08:33:24 i've come to conculsion that UIs are just for PDA and stuff like that. On my laptop && desktop i don't want UIs Jun 18 08:33:33 i'm a long term ion user Jun 18 08:34:15 wmii rocks, have you tried it? Jun 18 08:34:27 bedboi: i stil prefer ion ;) Jun 18 08:34:46 why's that? Jun 18 08:34:52 wmii was missing something, but i forget what it was Jun 18 08:35:11 i have to admit that i still have not tried it Jun 18 08:35:35 oh and don't judge ion by the default keybindings, i don't like them at all Jun 18 08:35:49 well same thing applies to wmii Jun 18 08:35:54 default settings is shitty Jun 18 08:36:03 brb (coffee) Jun 18 08:36:08 i have bindings like f1/f2 goes to prev/next tab, f3/f4 to prev/next "desktop" Jun 18 08:36:28 mickey|fic: I'd certainly fancy writing more something in efl than in gtk Jun 18 08:36:59 schurig: *nod*. lately there are even python bindings. Jun 18 08:37:05 although pretty early and rough for now Jun 18 08:37:27 and a couple of years ago, i did some c++ bindings Jun 18 08:38:19 mickey|fic: so it scales down on how rought EWL is ... ?!? Jun 18 08:39:56 rought? Jun 18 08:40:05 rough or right? ;) Jun 18 08:41:23 doing a product w/ EFL has been breeding in my head for quite a while. now the time seems right that I can inject this into the OpenMoko platform -- unclear as to where, when, and how though Jun 18 08:47:07 with GTA02? Jun 18 08:49:05 mickey|fic, did you happen upon "clutter"..looks similar to efl...but efl in g ta01 instead of gtk would have been awesome...flames away ;) Jun 18 08:49:38 maybe its "as soon as feasible" Jun 18 08:50:04 i wonder if horsepower would be enough to draw all ponies and stars Jun 18 08:50:13 yes. it's not like we don't have enough construction sites at this point of time Jun 18 08:50:22 * aloril nods Jun 18 08:51:41 so current focus is getting people to work on making the platform work at all Jun 18 08:52:08 that doesn't stop me from doing R&D re. next gen though Jun 18 08:52:19 :) Jun 18 08:53:53 as long as it's not RnB ;) Jun 18 08:54:10 heh Jun 18 08:54:14 no way Jun 18 08:56:47 research and bankruptcy? Jun 18 08:58:40 Rhythm and Blues? Jun 18 08:59:03 or Research and Break ;-) Jun 18 08:59:57 neither one sounds very appealing Jun 18 09:00:05 to me Jun 18 09:15:32 good morning Jun 18 09:18:01 heya florian Jun 18 10:09:58 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Accelerometer_Fundamentals]] Jun 18 10:18:15 Morning OMKers! Jun 18 10:18:24 counter Jun 18 10:18:24 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (70% for P1 <=2007-07-07) 30% for P1: 2 days 00:50:46 (2.035±2.0 days) (1504;232) Jun 18 10:19:24 Thankyou for that, aloril, I have now been supplied with my daily dose of ideas! Jun 18 10:20:18 welcome Jun 18 10:20:40 * nox-Hand has a panic attack Jun 18 10:22:02 .. a robot just talked to me.. Jun 18 10:22:16 lol Jun 18 10:22:24 * nox-Hand takes on his best diplomatic clothes and then greets aloril Jun 18 10:22:50 hehe Jun 18 10:22:54 don't forget the klingon greeting pose Jun 18 10:22:59 aloril! Welcome to Earth! We live in peace! Please help us estimate OpenMoko release times! Jun 18 10:23:10 LuitvD: I just did it Jun 18 10:23:13 ah Jun 18 10:23:21 then you'll be fine Jun 18 10:24:28 * nox-Hand bows so dp that his nose just touches the floor, yet eyes are still on aloril Jun 18 10:25:08 wow, your nose must be like an elephant or something.. Jun 18 10:25:55 s/elephant/elephant's trunk/ Jun 18 10:25:55 LuitvD meant: wow, your nose must be like an elephant's trunk or something.. Jun 18 10:27:12 morning. LuitvD, as I just joined the channel this is a very interessting comment. I just wonder what the connection between openmoko and elephants is :P Jun 18 10:28:03 Wow, green sofa bones Jun 18 10:28:08 s/sofa/monkey Jun 18 10:28:12 s/sofa/monkey/ Jun 18 10:28:14 nox-Hand meant: s/monkey/monkey Jun 18 10:28:16 xD Jun 18 10:28:17 openmoko = open-source = nerds = stupid conversations :) Jun 18 10:28:25 nox-Hand: heheheh, nice try... Jun 18 10:28:34 LuitvD: Missed that last / ;) Jun 18 10:28:45 I can see that Jun 18 10:28:50 LuitvD: Stupid conversations, sure. Jun 18 10:29:00 hmm, monkeys and elephants - seems like the zo channel *lol* Jun 18 10:29:32 zoo even Jun 18 10:30:29 actually I'd just like to buy one of the neo's without knowing when they will be delivered. Jun 18 10:30:47 gamin: That Jun 18 10:31:10 'd be an awesome idea - just checking the mail EVERY day Jun 18 10:31:32 I wouldn't need to stop buy and read that crap over and over again "any week now" Jun 18 10:31:38 nox-Hand: hehehe, ' and Return are to close to eachother aren't they? Jun 18 10:32:20 nox-Hand: I have a concierge :p Jun 18 10:32:38 gamin: yes, that's one more advantage of pre-ordering... too bad pre-orders aren't possible Jun 18 10:32:40 concierge, eh? Jun 18 10:33:00 LuitvD: on this stupid laptop, yeah Jun 18 10:33:09 lol Jun 18 10:33:35 too bad backspace doesn't work on returns Jun 18 10:33:38 gamin: There is a mailing list that tells you when its out you know Jun 18 10:33:53 yeah, announce list Jun 18 10:34:17 subscribe and let your mail client be your concierge Jun 18 10:34:31 Yaaay! =D Jun 18 10:35:09 "announce"-list. the absolutely lowest traffic list I know of :) Jun 18 10:35:39 gamin: haha yeah Jun 18 10:35:52 stay in the info-loop, get on the announce list. Jun 18 10:35:52 absolutely Jun 18 10:36:05 we'll tell you when the revolution is over ;P Jun 18 10:36:10 planet.openmoko.org is quite informative... Jun 18 10:36:10 ;D Jun 18 10:36:18 Be back way later Jun 18 10:36:19 bai! Jun 18 10:36:27 bye Jun 18 10:36:43 baye Jun 18 10:37:01 * LuitvD is off for some foooood Jun 18 10:53:17 openmoko: 03mickey * r2292 10/trunk/oe/packages/mpg123/ (. mpg123_0.66.bb): add mpg123 mpeg player Jun 18 10:53:36 openmoko: 03mickey * r2293 10/trunk/oe/packages/synaesthesia/ (. synaesthesia_2.4.bb): add synaesthesia, a psychedelic media player Jun 18 10:59:21 svn add lsd Jun 18 10:59:27 :D Jun 18 11:14:58 Any news in here? Jun 18 11:16:04 not really Jun 18 11:19:01 I have a very few bits on the hammerhead protcol. I'll put them in the wiki this evening. Jun 18 11:22:03 great Jun 18 11:25:17 Hello, everyone Jun 18 11:25:27 openmoko: 03laforge * r2294 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/machine.c: * add GTA02 machine type definition for gsmd Jun 18 11:26:05 Hi pavelm! Jun 18 11:26:12 Hi, Elrond! Jun 18 11:26:30 ....did a two day trip on a horseback, but I'm in surprisingly good shape for now. Jun 18 11:26:44 :-)) Jun 18 11:26:48 ..does anyone have 'unlimited calls for free' type sim-card? Jun 18 11:27:09 *duck* Did you try using the eo on the horseback? ;o) Jun 18 11:27:16 Those are generally illegal. Jun 18 11:27:45 SpeedEvil - It's called "flatrate" ;o) Jun 18 11:27:48 speed: No... like if you pay enough per month, you can get local calls free. Jun 18 11:28:12 elrond: I indeed did try to use neo on the horseback -- but not this weekend. Touchscreen sucks and display sucks. Jun 18 11:28:50 :) I've never seen quite 'free' - I think 6000 own-network minutes is the closest I've seen. Jun 18 11:29:07 speed: Yep, that's close enough :-) Jun 18 11:29:12 Or free evenings and weekends on some tarrifs. Jun 18 11:29:17 (uk) Jun 18 11:29:20 speed: Free weekend is good enough :-) Jun 18 11:29:25 own-network Jun 18 11:29:44 Some try really-free on own-network here. Jun 18 11:30:14 speed: I'd like to get right mixer settings ... so that speaker _and_ microphone works. Jun 18 11:30:30 I don't recall any completely free own-network ones, but I do remember free 'calling group' ones Jun 18 11:31:28 Hello, mickey! Jun 18 11:31:35 pavelm: so what are you wanting unlimited calls for? Jun 18 11:31:42 ...and send greetings to FIC :-) Jun 18 11:32:11 speed: Well, someone to do the call and play with mixer until both speaker and microphone works. Jun 18 11:32:25 speed: I guess unlimited calls are not really required for that. Jun 18 11:32:35 Oh right :) Jun 18 11:33:28 hi pavelm Jun 18 11:33:31 pavelm: will do, thanks Jun 18 11:33:45 * pavelm thought flatrates are ver popular in US. Jun 18 11:34:47 mickey: Now that hardware is close to ready, are there any plans to 'stabilize' software so that at least outgoing and incoming calls work? Jun 18 11:34:51 pavelm there are several flatrates also here in europe Jun 18 11:35:15 mickey: Or is that for september? Jun 18 11:35:56 pavelm e.g. the base thingie from eplus here in germany. same cell network and landlines are included the (high) base-tax and you only pay for special numbers and other cell networks Jun 18 11:36:06 roh: True, they are few in my country, too. Popular one is "make your employer pay for it" :-). Jun 18 11:36:56 hrhr Jun 18 11:37:12 we used to have "everything free" flatrate, extremely expensive, in days pre-NMT network could not do tarrification. Jun 18 11:37:30 Best deal I recall in the UK at the moment is pay-as-you-go t-mobile. You can add a 5 pound package to your SIM, and it'll give you free same-network calls for 5 days. Jun 18 11:37:38 ...then someone figured out to set up special number and just leave the phone calling to it 24/7 ;-). Jun 18 11:37:45 pavelm: what would you expect? ;) Jun 18 11:37:58 pavelm: of course we want to stabilize the software Jun 18 11:38:13 pavelm: i hope LaF0rge finds some time for gsmd again Jun 18 11:38:44 mickey: I guess it is september, then ;-) Jun 18 11:38:51 ;) Jun 18 11:39:16 Did anyone figure out how to make neo ring on incoming call? Jun 18 11:39:28 mp3 to ring-speaker? Jun 18 11:39:55 mickey: Ok, I guess that means "download jun17 version". Jun 18 11:40:04 Actually - there is only two speakers, so mp3 to those Jun 18 11:40:24 speed: That's the easy part. Hard part is "how to tell that call is comming" without hacking C-code. Jun 18 11:40:37 Isn't there a nice cooked event? Jun 18 11:40:41 Oh well. Jun 18 11:40:48 I need to get looking at the software part. Jun 18 11:40:51 libgsmd-tool is not script-friendly and buffers output. Jun 18 11:41:00 speed: If there's nice cooked event, I'd like to know. Jun 18 11:43:43 mickey|fic: seconded. multi-line response support in gsmd would be terrific. Jun 18 11:47:13 pH5: could you guys request that to gsmd list please? Jun 18 11:47:22 i'll try pestering LaF0rge to find some time soon Jun 18 11:47:40 even better, send patches ;) Jun 18 11:47:42 cough Jun 18 11:48:37 Interesting phone bit on radio 4 now (uk) Jun 18 11:49:08 mickey|fic: I know, I couldn't figure out how to do it easily, though. And I think LaF0rge had a plan. Jun 18 11:49:57 mickey: I'd like to send a patches, but I have no easy way of compiling for neo. Is patch likely to propagate into binaries in /tmp/deploy in a few days? That would do the trick... Jun 18 11:50:07 damnit, bbc radio 4 online is a realtime stream *pukes* Jun 18 11:50:22 Nothing that interesting it turned out. Jun 18 11:50:45 Just going over the current state of the market basically. Jun 18 11:50:50 and it's ended. Jun 18 11:51:09 'listen again' works - after the program is over. Jun 18 11:53:02 Though their streaming is a bit broken. They seem to quota channels, and reduce quality till they hit a bandwidth target on overload. Jun 18 11:53:16 I've seen concerts broadcast in 20k realaudio streams Jun 18 11:55:28 pavelm: you want the 'patch' utility? Jun 18 11:56:50 pavelm: whatever ipk's you need, send us a mail to distro-devel@lists.openmoko.org, i'll find a way to build them on buildhost. Jun 18 11:57:47 mickey: Actually I want python-gtk... and perhaps recompiled gsmd if I figure out how to fix it. Jun 18 11:58:16 ok, like i said, just mail your requests and i'll process them asap Jun 18 11:58:31 pygtk is noted. will look into that tomorrow Jun 18 11:58:43 all will be easier once we're done with the OMOE merge Jun 18 11:59:50 thanks for pygtk :-). What is OMOE? Jun 18 12:00:56 OpenMoko OpenEmbedded I guess Jun 18 12:01:37 i wonder how fast is pygtk on neo Jun 18 12:01:48 ynezz: It is fast enough on zaurus. Jun 18 12:03:30 ynezz: I do not need much. Few buttons like "turn on GPS"... maybe "navigate to given coordinates"... Jun 18 12:04:52 I'd guess pygtk doesn't lose (noticably) to C programs except maybe in startup times Jun 18 12:05:56 pavelm: for GPS you mean? IMO, you want several screens. Straight position and altitude, with distance and name of nearest waypoint. Jun 18 12:06:15 Track screen, with your track, zoomable. Jun 18 12:06:30 Navigate to waypoint, showing speed, cross-track error Jun 18 12:07:10 Those are the big ones, though other ones are needed too. Jun 18 12:08:32 speed: Yep, but I'm into geocaching, so I want an arrow and a distance :-) Jun 18 12:08:55 That's what I mean more or less by navigate to waypoint Jun 18 12:09:37 Speed, an arrow showing difference in track and heading to waypoint, and heading, all in really large print. Jun 18 12:09:58 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] Jun 18 12:10:31 speed: Yes, that would e ideal. Jun 18 12:11:18 * pavelm is completely lost in alsamixer. Mic Sidetone Mux [Right PGA] ? Jun 18 12:11:28 ...aha, I guess I need to go to "capture" tab. Makes sense. Jun 18 12:11:57 pavelm get yourself the routing diagram on paper Jun 18 12:14:13 roh: Do you have any place where that can be had? Jun 18 12:14:25 roh: I 'just" want to enable microphone... Jun 18 12:14:32 oeh.. let me look Jun 18 12:18:04 pavelm you can search "WM8753" on http://wolfson.co.uk/search/ and will get the docs Jun 18 12:21:28 weee Jun 18 12:22:47 ...actually, there's http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem ... that seems to explain a bit. Jun 18 12:24:17 pavelm yeah. Jun 18 12:25:22 hmm, the audio subsystem could be very interesting when done Jun 18 12:45:36 ...ugh, aparently i'm too stupid for that. There are 3 pages of options in alsamixer, some are toggled by space, some by M, there are few different neo modes, and it refuses to capture anything but zeros. Jun 18 12:50:01 you're in binary mode :P Jun 18 12:54:49 placid: ? Jun 18 13:01:19 hey Jun 18 13:02:17 hi, zecke. Jun 18 13:05:11 mickey|fic: I sent a (non-working) patch to gsmd-devel as a sign of good faith :) Jun 18 13:06:36 pavelm: bad joke :) Jun 18 13:15:16 pavelm: hey, let me know how you get on with mic; I'm using your alsa state and also don't get anything from the mic. Jun 18 13:18:47 cjb: I was unable to get it to work. Alsamixer has about 1300 options, completely undocumented, and I can't make sense of the schematics, either. Jun 18 13:24:23 pavelm: are you guys using arecord for recording? Jun 18 13:24:35 balrog: yes. Jun 18 13:25:42 i will give it a try, too Jun 18 13:26:25 I'm not audio expert, and alsamixer looks extremely confusing to me. Jun 18 13:26:28 just need to compile alsa into the kernel first Jun 18 13:26:44 pavelm: yeah, that's because the WM8753 can do lots of things Jun 18 13:26:54 it works for me with /tmp/deploy images. Jun 18 13:27:17 my arm toolchains always miscompila alsa for some reason Jun 18 13:27:45 i will use a binary toolchain in a qemu vm instead Jun 18 13:40:14 pavelm - /etc/alsa/*capture* Jun 18 13:40:49 pavelm - "alsactl -f /etc/alsa/capture-dunno.start restore" Jun 18 13:45:00 pH5: thanks :) Jun 18 13:45:26 hey zecke Jun 18 13:48:51 mickey|fic: master :) Jun 18 13:54:53 pH5 - BTW: Under what conditions did you create cold2.log? Jun 18 13:59:49 Elrond: check out the NMEA data, I think that was in the woods, at the lake. Clear skies, but some trees in the way. Jun 18 14:05:38 elrond: Thanks, /etc/alsa/* actually works. Jun 18 14:10:58 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem]] Jun 18 14:30:34 counter Jun 18 14:30:34 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (70% for P1 <=2007-07-07) 30% for P1: a day 22:44:41 (1.948±1.9 days) (1505;232) Jun 18 14:30:39 meh Jun 18 14:35:00