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Jun 19 03:03:28 <_llll_> yeah, i saw that, it's about 1 step more effort than im wanting to spend right now.  perhaps some other time
Jun 19 03:56:25 <pjz> woo, just got an nslu2 for $40
Jun 19 03:56:36 <pjz> I'm thinking bt-net gateway for my openmoko
Jun 19 04:00:13 <xl0> pjz: Are there left any more?
Jun 19 04:59:19 <csp> hello...
Jun 19 04:59:30 <csp> wow, so many people in this room ;)
Jun 19 06:36:03 <Stephmw> mornin
Jun 19 06:47:25 <Any_Key> morning all
Jun 19 07:10:46 <Hopscotch> good morning
Jun 19 07:11:06 <Any_Key> hullo
Jun 19 07:55:37 <daxxar> aloril: counter?
Jun 19 07:55:37 <aloril> "/msg aloril counter?" for actual long message, giving short version here: http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (70% for P1 <=2007-07-07) 30% for P1: a day 14:02:09 (1.585±1.6 days) (1514;232)
Jun 19 07:58:12 <TRIsoft> morning
Jun 19 08:10:56 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Dialer]]
Jun 19 08:10:59 * aloril is merging 2 counters:
Jun 19 08:11:00 <aloril> counter_msg http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 70% for
Jun 19 08:11:01 <aloril> aloril changed counter prefix message to http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 70% for 
Jun 19 08:11:03 <aloril> counter
Jun 19 08:11:03 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 70% for P1: a week, 2 days 13:54:27 (9.579±9.6 days) (1514;231)
Jun 19 08:14:10 <LuitvD> counter
Jun 19 08:14:10 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 70% for P1: a week, 2 days 13:52:53 (9.578±9.6 days) (1515;231)
Jun 19 08:14:36 <LuitvD> wait a second... a week??!?!?
Jun 19 08:14:50 <aloril> LuitvD: see page, I just combined 2 counters ;-)
Jun 19 08:15:06 * LuitvD is checking that now...
Jun 19 08:15:06 <aloril> nothing 'really' changed
Jun 19 08:15:11 <LuitvD> phew
Jun 19 08:15:29 * aloril could have 20% 3 day counter, but .. what sense does it make?
Jun 19 08:16:26 <aloril> (and heard this estimate in video from Sean, not sure what he meant though (see above page, there is news entry about it))
Jun 19 08:16:38 * LuitvD agrees, counter makes no sense :P
Jun 19 08:17:06 <aloril> (yesterday it was 70% <= 2007-07-07 and its same today too)
Jun 19 08:29:56 <pH5> Elrond: http://projects.linuxtogo.org/projects/sphyrna
Jun 19 08:30:59 * aloril hopes that next time counter is adjusted, its adjusted downwanrds
Jun 19 08:32:09 <LuitvD> aloril: or even better, changed from P1 counter to P1+ counter
Jun 19 08:32:11 <schurig> pH5: the Projects homepage http://sphyrna.projects.linuxtogo.org/ looks quite unrelated
Jun 19 08:32:48 <LuitvD> schurig: that's the linux-to-go main page...
Jun 19 08:32:56 <aloril> LuitvD: hehe, it would be at least for a while "go order your neo1973 here" -meesage
Jun 19 08:33:08 <schurig> LuitvD: I know, but it still looks unrelated to the hammerhead decoding approach
Jun 19 08:33:35 <LuitvD> schurig: that's because it isn't the project's page 
Jun 19 08:34:01 <gamin> I wonder why Sean is not a bit more communicative.
Jun 19 08:34:16 <schurig> LuitvD: yes, you know all. But for example go to http://projects.linuxtogo.org/projects/marvell8385/ and select "Project home page" there. This won't take you to a bogus site :-)
Jun 19 08:34:25 <gamin> what's the point in all this secrecy?
Jun 19 08:34:53 <schurig> LuitvD: that's why I notified ph5, he's project admin for sphyrna and can fix this
Jun 19 08:35:03 <koen> gamin: what secrecy?
Jun 19 08:35:14 <gamin> about the state of the project
Jun 19 08:35:28 <aloril> gamin: well, they have told Neo1973 do exists and passed laforge's QA
Jun 19 08:35:31 <gamin> where they stand, what currently keeps them up, etc
Jun 19 08:35:32 <pH5> schurig: sure, we can make a nice project page. I've only just registered the project to get an SCM for the analyze/experiment python code.
Jun 19 08:36:52 <aloril> probably good idea to put that project outside OpenMoko (so its clearly not OpenMoko project and core team stays hopefully out of trouble with their NDA)
Jun 19 08:37:13 <aloril> (as you have done)
Jun 19 08:37:24 <koen> gamin: see planet.openmoko.org
Jun 19 08:37:36 <gamin> koen: I have read that
Jun 19 08:38:14 <aloril> gamin: there *hopefully* will be more official announcement this week
Jun 19 08:38:32 <koen> gamin: so you know all the stuff you just asked
Jun 19 08:38:33 <schurig> pH5: you can can put the wiki page at openmoko there
Jun 19 08:38:43 <schurig> pH5: until you have time/incentive to make a real home page
Jun 19 08:38:48 <gamin> koen: but why not just telling something like: okay, we have now 500 and plan to start producing another 1000. we are currently setting up the webserver, fcc tests are through, etc...
Jun 19 08:39:42 <schurig> gamin: maybe they have other things to do
Jun 19 08:40:24 <gamin> schurig: oh come on.
Jun 19 08:40:50 <schurig> gamin: mickey said that this week they have lots of meetings. And when you (have to) hang around in a meeting, you can't really do much community relationships
Jun 19 08:40:57 <koen> gamin: they already told us all that
Jun 19 08:41:20 <schurig> gamin: compared to other countries, they aren't that secretive at all
Jun 19 08:41:32 <schurig> s/countries/companies/
Jun 19 08:41:32 <apt> schurig meant: gamin: compared to other companies, they aren't that secretive at all
Jun 19 08:41:48 <schurig> apt: thanks, botty
Jun 19 08:41:48 <apt> bitte, schurig
Jun 19 08:42:40 <gamin> koen: then what are the current factors holding up the spipping?
Jun 19 08:42:49 <gamin> shipping even
Jun 19 08:43:46 <koen> gamin: I somehow doubt you have actually read planet.openmoko.org
Jun 19 08:44:13 <gamin> koen: I did. bothe, the last posts of mickey and harald
Jun 19 08:45:55 <aloril> gamin: well, maybe they haven't made web-shop yet? (its not as easy as it was with P0 people: just ship ;-)
Jun 19 08:46:16 <gamin> koen: harald wrote they have 492 units, so where do I order them? :)
Jun 19 08:46:38 <schurig> aloril: no, it could be as easy. They could just ship a device to me, it wouldn't need accompanied by an invoice :-)
Jun 19 08:46:55 <gamin> aloril: okay, so they originally wanted to ship in january and now they realise, that they need a webshop - :o)
Jun 19 08:46:57 <aloril> schurig: hehe
Jun 19 08:47:39 <aloril> gamin: I don't know really what is actually needed still, but laforge did talk about setting up one
Jun 19 08:47:51 <schurig> gamin: it could be silly stuff, e.g. that the box that should hold the device isn't ready yet
Jun 19 08:48:08 <schurig> gamin: or that the company/machine that is stuffing the phones into the boxes isn't free
Jun 19 08:48:19 <gamin> schurig: *lol*
Jun 19 08:48:28 <schurig> gamin: I work in a company that also produces electronic devices, so I know that sometimes silly things are holding things up
Jun 19 08:49:12 <schurig> gamin: at one time our supplier where we got plastic foam (not sure about the english word) was so overbooked that he could not make ours in time
Jun 19 08:49:48 <schurig> gamin: that stuff that is inside the card boxes and makes sure that the computer is save and doesn't get transportation damage
Jun 19 08:50:01 * aloril remembers them working on web-shop months ago (IIRC)
Jun 19 08:50:02 <TRIsoft> Styrofoam ;-)
Jun 19 08:51:01 <gamin> schurig: I will accept rumpled newspapers as stuffing :)
Jun 19 08:51:25 <schurig> gamin: I won't. Can't read taiwanese!  :-)
Jun 19 08:51:51 <schurig> gamin: or maybe they use the "Straits Times" (from Singapur), that one is english :-)
Jun 19 08:52:25 <gamin> schurig: and it's a pretty thick newspaper too.
Jun 19 08:56:23 * aloril thinks that probability of hearing more in next 5 days is higher than 50% (*maybe* even thick announcement with all kinds of goodies that make everyone happy)
Jun 19 08:57:03 * moo_tang_clan is waiting for the re-org/whatever information
Jun 19 08:57:09 <moo_tang_clan> that sounds exciting
Jun 19 09:00:39 <CM> aloril: Mickeyl said he'd push for an announcement before the 23:rd, and I'm sure he'll make someone say something ;)
Jun 19 09:04:28 <aloril> CM: yeah, that is basis for my above "next 5 days" comment ;-)
Jun 19 09:15:26 <gamin> hmmm, the PIM apps are all done by o-hand...
Jun 19 09:18:51 <zecke> gamin: right
Jun 19 09:26:24 <aloril> CM: guess: 3-4 days
Jun 19 09:26:41 * CM is bound to agree :)
Jun 19 10:11:56 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Contacts]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Dialer]] [[Talk:OpenMoko_under_QEMU]]
Jun 19 10:40:08 <daxxar> Sigh, I feel my cellphone degrading day-by-day, I need Neo 1973! =P
Jun 19 11:00:39 <Kero> daxxar: yes, I do believe they'll come in a few days
Jun 19 11:00:41 <Kero> counter
Jun 19 11:00:41 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 70% for P1: a week, 2 days 12:29:37 (9.521±9.5 days) (1516;232)
Jun 19 11:01:15 * daxxar checks the exchange rate
Jun 19 11:01:17 <daxxar> $350, right?
Jun 19 11:01:41 <daxxar> That might have to be VATed too
Jun 19 11:02:01 <daxxar> 2 110,- .. perhaps 2 600,- - plus transportation.
Jun 19 11:02:10 <daxxar> I'll manage. Not too bad. :)
Jun 19 11:02:23 <daxxar> And I can finally be rid of this horrible Windows Mobile thing. :p
Jun 19 11:02:41 <daxxar> Btw, do I understand it correct when I believe there will be no SMS software ready? :)
Jun 19 11:03:27 <Kero> I have no idea.
Jun 19 11:03:29 <daxxar> 'cause it says on the Neo1973_counter page about P1; 
Jun 19 11:03:30 <daxxar> This is meant for developers. However anybody with money can buy it. It will have very basic softare. Calling and receiving calls should work, but not much else beyond maybe some other basic software. 
Jun 19 11:03:36 <daxxar> :-)
Jun 19 11:03:39 <daxxar> Okay. :)
Jun 19 11:04:16 <Kero> if it can make calls, connect GPRS and deliver GPS, I'll do the rest myself.
Jun 19 11:04:32 <Kero> (but I need the phone as incentive to actually do something)
Jun 19 11:05:48 <daxxar> True ;-)
Jun 19 11:06:02 <daxxar> Are you going to use it as a day-to-day phone, or for some specific purpose?
Jun 19 11:08:30 <Kero> my old phone can make calls and has a very basic phonebook. I hardly ever SMS. Now guess :)
Jun 19 11:10:03 <Kero> the crux of Open Source is that you provide basic functionality, in a package where it works. If people can use it day-by-day, they can make small upgrades; and they'll make many.
Jun 19 11:11:41 <daxxar> Mhm
Jun 19 11:12:01 <[lankester]> by i was sending sms to my girlfriend and i was using my contact list
Jun 19 11:12:11 <[lankester]> however i just dump my girlfriend :p
Jun 19 11:12:17 <[lankester]> so i can now use my neo !!
Jun 19 11:12:39 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03laforge * r2301 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/ (gta02-core.patch smedia-glamo.patch): (log message trimmed)
Jun 19 11:12:39 <CIA-24> openmoko: GTA02:
Jun 19 11:12:39 <CIA-24> openmoko: * make sure gsm console switching is only done for GTA01
Jun 19 11:12:39 <CIA-24> openmoko: * make sure glamo resource descriptions are complete
Jun 19 11:12:39 <CIA-24> openmoko: * introduce glamo spi platform data
Jun 19 11:12:41 <CIA-24> openmoko: * disable sdi platform device as temporary workaround to kernel hang
Jun 19 11:12:43 <Kero> hehe
Jun 19 11:12:45 <CIA-24> openmoko: * bring glamo driver to a point where we cann access internal vram
Jun 19 11:17:25 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03laforge * r2302 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-gta02.patch: 
Jun 19 11:17:25 <CIA-24> openmoko: GTA02:
Jun 19 11:17:25 <CIA-24> openmoko: * add pcf50633 rtc driver
Jun 19 11:17:25 <CIA-24> openmoko: * enable pcf50633 rtc driver rather than s3c2440 one
Jun 19 11:17:25 <CIA-24> openmoko: * add power-cycling code for glamo
Jun 19 11:17:25 <CIA-24> openmoko: * major smedia driver update
Jun 19 11:17:27 <CIA-24> openmoko: * keep glamo driver disabled since it still locks up bus on vram access
Jun 19 11:20:49 <aloril> don't think it has currently SMS support, but no doubt will have it soon once those 500 Neo1973's are unleashed
Jun 19 11:21:49 <daxxar> Okay. :-)
Jun 19 11:21:51 <pH5> aloril: right, gsmd's parser can't yet parse the sms AT commands correctly.
Jun 19 11:22:04 <daxxar> Is there any wiki page that lists the current software?
Jun 19 11:22:54 <daxxar> The phone call stuff, is that implemented using the fancy openmoko gui stuff? :-)
Jun 19 11:23:30 <daxxar> Ah, yes, you're right. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd#Currently_missing
Jun 19 11:24:45 <daxxar> I guess I'll wait on making it my day-to-day phone until SMSes work, atleast. ^_^
Jun 19 11:32:37 <nox-Hand> counter
Jun 19 11:32:38 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 70% for P1: a week, 2 days 12:13:39 (9.509±9.5 days) (1517;232)
Jun 19 11:33:11 <nox-Hand> 9 days? o_O
Jun 19 11:33:21 <nox-Hand> I thought it said 1 day before :(
Jun 19 11:40:22 <ecraven> it did ;)
Jun 19 11:46:22 <aloril> nox-Hand: see link (nothing really changed ;-)
Jun 19 11:51:47 <PBeck> hallo
Jun 19 12:00:18 <Ecco> Hi there
Jun 19 12:00:45 <Ecco> I was just wondering : where's the right place to fetch up-to-date kernel sources for Zaurus C-1000 (akita, that is)
Jun 19 12:04:30 <PBeck> counter
Jun 19 12:04:31 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 70% for P1: a week, 2 days 11:57:42 (9.498±9.5 days) (1518;232)
Jun 19 12:07:38 <Ecco> So, noone knows where to fetch up-to-date kernel sources for the Zaurus ?
Jun 19 12:07:39 <aloril> Ecco: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
Jun 19 12:08:37 <aloril> guess (I don't know): openembedded.org ?
Jun 19 12:09:49 <Ecco> Well, they used to be there, but since OpenZaurus moved over to Angstrom I thought the sources might have moved
Jun 19 12:32:53 <CM> Ecco: Join #oe :)
Jun 19 13:13:11 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03andrew * r2303 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/ (hw/usb-hid.c hw/usb.h vl.c): Emulate a USB HID keyboard.
Jun 19 13:17:26 * balrog-kun reads http://www.smediatech.com/product3370.htm - this chip seems to sit in the GTA02
Jun 19 13:19:53 <kiney_> counter
Jun 19 13:19:53 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 70% for P1: a week, 2 days 11:20:01 (9.472±9.5 days) (1519;232)
Jun 19 13:26:12 <daxxar> Cool, supports OpenGL ES 1.2 :)
Jun 19 13:27:09 <pjz> Ecco: this isn't #zaurus, it's #openmoko
Jun 19 13:27:19 <pjz> Ecco: so it's unsuprising that no one knows
Jun 19 13:38:05 <Ecco> allright ^^
Jun 19 13:41:37 <koen> pH5: no tags/ trunk/ and branches/ nonsense for sphyrna?
Jun 19 13:48:54 <pH5> koen: do you think it'd make sense for this project? we can always have tags/trunk/branches in the driver/daemon directory once we start to produce something useable.
Jun 19 13:49:45 <koen> the answer is already in my question :)
Jun 19 13:51:14 <pH5> :) right
Jun 19 13:51:25 <Elrond> hehe :_)
Jun 19 13:51:26 <Elrond> :-)
Jun 19 13:52:22 <stefan_schmidt> ~Sphyrna
Jun 19 13:52:45 * stefan_schmidt guesses its the came for the hammerhead re project.
Jun 19 13:52:51 <stefan_schmidt> s/came/name/
Jun 19 13:52:56 <pH5> Elrond: I've uploaded my decode.py strace log decoder, including some assumptions about what values are 12/16/32bit integers
Jun 19 13:54:28 <CIA-24> openmoko: 03andrew * r2304 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/ (hw/usb-hid.c openmoko/flash.sh qemu-doc.texi): 
Jun 19 13:54:28 <CIA-24> openmoko: * fix right-arrow keycode and HID descriptor version
Jun 19 13:54:28 <CIA-24> openmoko: * only grab input on USB reset (after attaching)
Jun 19 13:54:28 <CIA-24> openmoko: * add qemu-docs snippet about the keyboard
Jun 19 13:54:28 <CIA-24> openmoko: * mention the keyboard in flash.sh
Jun 19 13:54:54 <Elrond> pH5 - I just downloaded it via anonymous svn. svn via password doesn't seem to work (despite it seems to be listed on the project page). And I just uploaded a fresh ssh key. ;-)
Jun 19 13:56:03 <Elrond> pH5 - I'll code up a PacketBase class this evening, which shuld help encapsulate some of your decode.py :-)
Jun 19 14:04:41 <pH5> great
Jun 19 14:39:53 <sixfeet> moin all
Jun 19 15:27:19 <webjames> hey ho
Jun 19 15:29:30 <Placid> HI
Jun 19 16:16:28 <Sup3rkiddo> guys, *, #, are they the only DTMF characters?
Jun 19 16:19:13 <don-o> Sup3rkiddo: look at phone and see :)
Jun 19 16:19:47 <don-o> Sup3rkiddo: http://images.google.com/images?q=dialpad
Jun 19 16:19:51 <DukeOfURL> there are four rows and four columns--what you don't see on the phone is the right-hand column (A,B,C,D)
Jun 19 16:20:32 <don-o> DukeOfURL: i detect a bit of phreaking in your past, no? :)
Jun 19 16:20:44 <DukeOfURL> just a tad
Jun 19 16:21:01 <Sup3rkiddo> don-o, lol..i was wondering if all the numbers from 0 through 9 and a-z and ABCD and *,# are valid chars
Jun 19 16:21:59 <DukeOfURL> there are only 16 dual-tone combinations.  the letters and digits are mapped onto those.
Jun 19 16:22:45 <don-o> Sup3rkiddo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTMF
Jun 19 16:22:50 <DukeOfURL> so "a" and "b" and "c" are mapped to the same frequency
Jun 19 16:23:00 <Sup3rkiddo> don-o, readin it :P
Jun 19 16:23:32 <DanC> odd... nothing on http://planet.openmoko.org/ since 15 June...
Jun 19 16:23:34 <DanC> .counter
Jun 19 16:23:37 <DanC> counter?
Jun 19 16:23:37 <aloril> "/msg aloril counter?" for actual long message, giving short version here: http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 70% for P1: a week, 2 days 09:48:09 (9.408±9.4 days) (1520;233)
Jun 19 16:23:55 <don-o> DanC: hardware updates are incredibly hard to come by.
Jun 19 16:25:13 * k-s[WORK] is away: lunch!
Jun 19 16:25:28 <DanC> about 4 days ago, I got the impression something was scheduled to happen in 3 days.
Jun 19 16:26:35 <DukeOfURL> don-o:  remember the KP key?
Jun 19 16:27:02 <don-o> DukeOfURL: nope. i was suprized to learn of the 4th row of keys just now :)
Jun 19 16:29:02 <DukeOfURL> There's a different set of MF tones for operator signaling.  One of those tones, 2600Hz, would release the trunk at the distant end.  This was the basis of "blue" boxing in the 1960s and 70s
Jun 19 16:29:39 <don-o> hence 2600 magazine.
Jun 19 16:29:44 <DukeOfURL> Yes
Jun 19 16:31:06 <DukeOfURL> I had access to a cord switchboard at Mountain Bell for several months.  The PSTN was and is an amazing network!
Jun 19 16:32:14 <DukeOfURL> Blue boxing forced the carriers to remove signaling from the voice channel and put it on a separate data channel (SS7)
Jun 19 16:32:54 <don-o> sort of like when i leave a url/action?admin=true flag in a webapp without a password.
Jun 19 16:33:05 <DukeOfURL> yup
Jun 19 16:33:08 <don-o> who's gonna discover THAT? :)
Jun 19 16:33:13 <DukeOfURL> me
Jun 19 16:33:22 <DukeOfURL> :-))
Jun 19 16:33:37 * don-o squints suspiciously
Jun 19 16:33:51 <Sup3rkiddo> does anyone recommend Analog and Digital Communications by Wayne Tomasi..?
Jun 19 17:02:46 <nox-Hand> Who owns apt?
Jun 19 17:03:13 <nox-Hand> TomRIker
Jun 19 17:03:26 <nox-Hand> TimRiker: TimRiker ;)
Jun 19 17:03:29 <nox-Hand> You there?
Jun 19 17:05:11 <TimRiker> ya. 'sup?
Jun 19 17:21:53 <nox-Hand> TimRiker: Is your apt bot available to joining other channels?
Jun 19 17:22:00 <nox-Hand> I quite like the s/foo/bar option :)
Jun 19 17:24:13 <daMaestro> counter?
Jun 19 17:24:14 <aloril> "/msg aloril counter?" for actual long message, giving short version here: http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 70% for P1: a week, 2 days 09:17:51 (9.387±9.4 days) (1521;233)
Jun 19 17:25:01 <nox-Hand> I.e the optn to correct mistakes like so:
Jun 19 17:25:06 <nox-Hand> s/optn/option
Jun 19 17:25:07 <nox-Hand> s/optn/option/
Jun 19 17:25:07 <apt> nox-Hand meant: s/option/option
Jun 19 17:25:11 <nox-Hand> crap :|
Jun 19 17:25:14 <nox-Hand> I.e the optn to correct mistakes like so:
Jun 19 17:25:16 <nox-Hand> s/optn/option/
Jun 19 17:25:18 <apt> nox-Hand meant: I.e the option to correct mistakes like so:
Jun 19 17:25:25 <nox-Hand> There we are :D
Jun 19 17:35:31 <TimRiker> nox-Hand: yes. /msg me the channel if you like. the channel should be registered and I would like to hear the request from a channel op.
Jun 19 17:36:17 <TimRiker> s/.*/duh/
Jun 19 17:36:17 <aloril2> DanC: we should get soon news, maybe in 3-4 days
Jun 19 17:36:29 <nox-Hand> TimRiker: PM :)
Jun 19 18:35:15 <crackfiend> aloril2: do you mean the release of iPhone?
Jun 19 18:36:43 <aloril2> crackfiend: no, news about Neo1973 from OpenMoko/FIC
Jun 19 18:37:33 <crackfiend> Hehe I know... just being a smartass. I remember when I first heard about this project... I figured we'd see it released before iPhone. 
Jun 19 18:37:57 <empty_mind> counter
Jun 19 18:37:57 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 70% for P1: a week, 2 days 08:40:59 (9.362±9.4 days) (1522;234)
Jun 19 18:42:50 <aloril2> crackfiend: might still happen (myself optimistic and excpet that to happen)
Jun 19 18:53:58 <aloril2> do you know any other phone than Neo1973 where you can code and compile apps for phone inside phone itself? (not counting post factory installation of OpenMoko, etc. similar)
Jun 19 18:56:07 * k-s[AWAY_WORK] is back.
Jun 19 19:13:01 <empty_mind> aloril2: any openembeded based phone should allow you to do so. I think zarus running on angstrom should allow this
Jun 19 20:18:59 <webjames> Hey all, quiet tonight
Jun 19 20:19:31 <seemant> shhh, we're concentrating
Jun 19 20:20:34 <webjames_> Hi!
Jun 19 20:21:56 <tri_> psss
Jun 19 20:23:01 <webjames_> psst?
Jun 19 20:27:34 <tri_> 10[22:18] webjames: 01Hey all, quiet tonight
Jun 19 20:27:34 <tri_> 10[22:19] seemant: 01shhh, we're concentrating
Jun 19 20:30:46 <nox-Hand> pssss!
Jun 19 20:34:04 <webjames_> what's psss?
Jun 19 20:38:41 <koen> pssss is slang for "black text is annoying and backwards"
Jun 19 20:42:44 <balrog-kun> http://www.brendangregg.com/specials.html#psss
Jun 19 20:55:22 <expose> hi
Jun 19 20:55:58 <expose> Is there another linux based phone besides the FIC Neo1973 which features GSM, GPS and WiFi?
Jun 19 20:55:58 <aloril> P1.5 will likely have WiFi (Atheros AR6K): http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-April/000012.html  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F  (WiFi status for P1.5 will be known for sure when P1 becomes available and also what kind of discount for P1.5 is given for P1 buyers)
Jun 19 21:15:13 <ph|ber> m0o
Jun 19 21:15:23 <ciacon> hi @ all
Jun 19 21:17:51 <ciacon> I have a problem building a working Qemu image under Ubuntu Linux. Can somebody help me?
Jun 19 21:38:16 <ciacon> can someone help me?? I just stared the automake and got following error message: Please install following missing utilities: texi2html .... this occured while executing "make openmoko-devel-image".... any ideas why?
Jun 19 21:38:46 <expose> because texi2html is missing?
Jun 19 21:38:59 <expose> and whatever command you ran needs it?
Jun 19 21:39:53 <ciacon> I got the following:
Jun 19 21:40:00 <ciacon> ERROR:  Openembedded's config sanity checker detected a potential misconfiguration.
Jun 19 21:40:00 <ciacon>         Either fix the cause of this error or at your own risk disable the checker (see sanity.conf).
Jun 19 21:40:00 <ciacon>         Following is the list of potential problems / advisories:
Jun 19 21:40:15 <ciacon> Please install following missing utilities: texi2html
Jun 19 21:41:03 <_schurig> ciacon: then simply install it
Jun 19 21:41:29 <rtp> 1
Jun 19 21:41:34 <ciacon> em... maybe I'm to n00b for this wold - but I could do with some help...
Jun 19 21:42:37 <high-rez> Counter
Jun 19 21:42:51 <high-rez> counter
Jun 19 21:42:51 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 70% for P1: a week, 2 days 07:08:32 (9.298±9.3 days) (1523;234)
Jun 19 21:45:00 <ciacon> I honestly would not have a clue how to install texi2html
Jun 19 21:45:08 <ciacon> any hints?
Jun 19 21:47:16 <juri_> it would matter on your linux distribution.
Jun 19 21:47:54 <ciacon> is this a thing to do with the ubuntu that I use... or do I have to add this to the OE, that openmoko uses??
Jun 19 21:48:04 <zecke> ubuntu
Jun 19 21:48:08 <ciacon> ah
Jun 19 21:48:09 <ciacon> oki
Jun 19 21:48:22 <ciacon> that (hopefully) solves my Q...
Jun 19 21:52:19 <LuitvD> ciacon: yeah, just sudo apt-get install, or lookup in synaptic, anything that's called for
Jun 19 21:52:36 <LuitvD> looking up in synaptic is my fav...
Jun 19 21:58:56 <ciacon> LuitvD: I used aptitude... I was not quite clear what I should do... I am fairly new to Linux... I used to be a windumb crack - but am really getting into linux (which I fairly passively used years back)...
Jun 19 21:59:20 <LuitvD> which version of ubuntu do you have?
Jun 19 21:59:34 <LuitvD> newest? (7.04/Feisty Fawn)
Jun 19 21:59:44 <ciacon> I came across Openmoko quite some months ago and am absolutly stunned... Openmoko definately has a buyer in me ;-)
Jun 19 22:00:09 <ciacon> yup... I started originally with Gentoo... moved to Ubuntu 2 years later
Jun 19 22:00:36 <LuitvD> you should use synaptic instead of aptitude
Jun 19 22:00:47 <ciacon> aptitude
Jun 19 22:00:58 <LuitvD> aptitude is a terminal interface to packages
Jun 19 22:01:03 <LuitvD> you should use synaptic
Jun 19 22:01:08 <LuitvD> it's graphical
Jun 19 22:01:13 <ciacon> "make openmoko-devel-image" is finally running
Jun 19 22:01:14 <LuitvD> easier to use
Jun 19 22:01:36 <ciacon> I like the shell more
Jun 19 22:01:42 <ciacon> don't ask me why...
Jun 19 22:02:07 <LuitvD> is it a gentoo habit? :P
Jun 19 22:02:23 <ciacon> I understand things that happen way better that way
Jun 19 22:02:25 <LuitvD> I seriously never understood synaptic's interface...
Jun 19 22:02:27 <ciacon> I suppose you are right
Jun 19 22:02:43 <ciacon> I loved "emerge world" ;-)
Jun 19 22:02:49 <LuitvD> lol
Jun 19 22:03:00 <LuitvD> I just apt-get install things
Jun 19 22:03:09 <LuitvD> similar to emerge, right?
Jun 19 22:03:22 <ciacon> I really have gained quite some knowlage with linux in general
Jun 19 22:03:44 <LuitvD> emerge is command-line? or terminal UI?
Jun 19 22:03:51 <ciacon> It really saddens me when people I know proudly tell me, that they have "the newest linux"
Jun 19 22:04:11 <ciacon> and when I ask I only hear Version 10.2
Jun 19 22:04:13 <ciacon> -.-
Jun 19 22:04:37 <LuitvD> heheh
Jun 19 22:04:51 <ciacon> emerge is the way to operate gentoo's own package system called portage
Jun 19 22:04:52 <LuitvD> 10.2 of f*cking what :P
Jun 19 22:05:01 <ciacon> it's completely text-based...
Jun 19 22:05:02 <thomasg__> suse :)
Jun 19 22:05:12 <ciacon> yup
Jun 19 22:06:05 <LuitvD> my chemistry teacher always asked (when someone was noting a number without a unit) "14,7 elephants?"
Jun 19 22:06:06 <LuitvD> :P
Jun 19 22:06:32 <ciacon> yup
Jun 19 22:06:42 <ciacon> bananas here ;-)
Jun 19 22:07:00 <ciacon> typical german teachers i'd say
Jun 19 22:07:10 <LuitvD> like when win xp sp2 came out: "I have service pack 2 now" my response: "coffeepot sp2?"
Jun 19 22:07:25 <LuitvD> ciacon: well, I'm dutch actually
Jun 19 22:07:43 <ciacon> LuitvD: my mum's a dane =D
Jun 19 22:07:48 <LuitvD> but I guess NL and DE aren't that different
Jun 19 22:08:26 <LuitvD> my parent both are dutch :P
Jun 19 22:08:32 <LuitvD> nothing that interesting
Jun 19 22:08:44 <ciacon> I am so glad I decided for linux... I cought a really nasty virus on my windows box... this was definately a handcrafted one....
Jun 19 22:09:26 * LuitvD is running linux-only for quite a while now too
Jun 19 22:09:41 <[lankester]> same for me 
Jun 19 22:09:52 <[lankester]> except when i have my job at the gouvernement
Jun 19 22:09:57 <LuitvD> have had nearly all the Fedora versions XD
Jun 19 22:10:03 <[lankester]> they were running everything on windows :(
Jun 19 22:10:25 <LuitvD> [lankester]: that's bad... which govt?
Jun 19 22:10:32 <[lankester]> quebec in canada
Jun 19 22:10:47 <[lankester]> now i work in the telecom on linux/solaris
Jun 19 22:10:50 <[lankester]> a lot better :p
Jun 19 22:11:00 <LuitvD> 'gratz :P
Jun 19 22:11:02 <[lankester]> laptop for work on ubuntu 
Jun 19 22:11:06 <[lankester]> same for my desktop
Jun 19 22:11:13 <ciacon> I was running a lot of bittorrent on my box... even though I had a semmi-protection off my router, somebody managed to install a linux on my box... this was manifested on a reboot... I deffo had not installed any to that date.. I had a closer look at the network-flow off this box and noticed, that EVERYTHING was sent out into the net -.-.... my congratulations to bill gapes....
Jun 19 22:11:23 <LuitvD> my desktop is ubuntu :) don't have a laptop (yet)
Jun 19 22:11:46 <thresh> haha
Jun 19 22:11:55 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]]
Jun 19 22:11:59 <[lankester]> ciacon: pretty weird !
Jun 19 22:12:14 <ciacon> after another reboot win xp was super-slow and exploited EVERYTHING
Jun 19 22:12:23 <LuitvD> ciacon: I always had my windows pretty well-protected
Jun 19 22:12:44 <ciacon> I know... this was DEFINATELY handcrafted....
Jun 19 22:12:53 <LuitvD> ciacon: but my sister is destroying hers :P
Jun 19 22:13:06 <ciacon> LuitvD: as they tend to :P
Jun 19 22:13:24 <LuitvD> heheh, that's a little sister's job, isn't it?
Jun 19 22:13:26 <happycube> lol
Jun 19 22:13:29 <thresh> linux sucks ass
Jun 19 22:13:30 <ciacon> lol
Jun 19 22:13:38 <Kero> my sister does a fine job of keeping her windows protected :)
Jun 19 22:13:43 <thresh> *everything* is broken
Jun 19 22:14:07 <LuitvD> thresh: windows doesn't even come near ass...
Jun 19 22:14:10 <ciacon> "make openmoko-devel-image" is still doing it's job...
Jun 19 22:14:15 <thresh> i never used it
Jun 19 22:14:21 <[lankester]> I dont remerber the last time
Jun 19 22:14:29 <[lankester]> my window had a uptime over 1 weeks
Jun 19 22:14:33 <ciacon> I might get luckey and get a core-extream one of the next days....
Jun 19 22:14:34 <[lankester]> and wasnt slow
Jun 19 22:14:51 <LuitvD> the strangest linux problem I have, is with my router...
Jun 19 22:15:01 <ciacon> [lankester]: I never managed 24 hours ;-)
Jun 19 22:15:04 <LuitvD> hell, it's the only linux problem I have
Jun 19 22:15:21 <[lankester]> I still have some probleme with openoffice
Jun 19 22:15:30 <ciacon> [lankester]: that was an exaduration, but honestly - windows just does not survive long without reboot
Jun 19 22:15:32 <[lankester]> my boss did a expense report sheet with excel
Jun 19 22:15:38 <[lankester]> and a LOT of macro
Jun 19 22:15:49 <LuitvD> [lankester]: oh yeah, VB scripts
Jun 19 22:15:55 * LuitvD pukes
Jun 19 22:16:13 <LuitvD> love 'em
Jun 19 22:16:19 * ciacon regurgitated
Jun 19 22:16:25 <CoreDump|home> hi
Jun 19 22:16:32 <ciacon> hi there
Jun 19 22:16:49 <LuitvD> hi CoreDump|home 
Jun 19 22:17:12 <ciacon> anyone have any experince with core-extreme + ubuntu??
Jun 19 22:18:02 <[lankester]> wjat is core-extreme ?
Jun 19 22:18:04 <LuitvD> not really... I heared Intel had some pretty impressive stuff going on with powermanagement in linux-only
Jun 19 22:18:17 <[lankester]> ohh
Jun 19 22:18:20 <[lankester]> intel core extreme
Jun 19 22:18:23 <LuitvD> hehe
Jun 19 22:18:23 <ciacon> yup
Jun 19 22:18:31 <[lankester]> you shouldnt have problem with the cpu
Jun 19 22:18:38 <[lankester]> it more the motherboard
Jun 19 22:18:40 <LuitvD> ciacon: do you mean duo or quad?
Jun 19 22:18:51 <[lankester]> choose a good motherboard with a good chipset (from intel)
Jun 19 22:18:53 <ciacon> quad
Jun 19 22:19:24 <LuitvD> hmm, have used fedora on a core2 duo extreme rig once...
Jun 19 22:19:46 <ciacon> it's my b'day soon... I have a financially shitty life of a student - but I tend to get super cool things for my bday
Jun 19 22:20:07 <[lankester]> it really a cool thing for a bday :p
Jun 19 22:20:09 <LuitvD> heh, I hope I'll get money for mine
Jun 19 22:20:19 <[lankester]> are you studying in computer science ?
Jun 19 22:21:04 * LuitvD will study electronic engineering and design starting this september
Jun 19 22:21:13 <ciacon> I live in germany, where a pupils future life is decided upon in the 4th grade (i.e. @ age 10)
Jun 19 22:21:30 <[lankester]> nice choice LuitvD 
Jun 19 22:21:39 <[lankester]> ciacon: this is weird !! 
Jun 19 22:21:45 <[lankester]> so what was you choice when you were 10 :p
Jun 19 22:21:47 <ciacon> I sadly did not belong to the good pupils @ that age..
Jun 19 22:21:54 <LuitvD> [lankester]: yeah, thought so too :P
Jun 19 22:21:59 <CoreDump|home> weird also wrong
Jun 19 22:22:05 <ciacon> well... one is introduced to school @ 6
Jun 19 22:22:11 <LuitvD> [lankester]: maybe one day I'll be able to make my own phone :P
Jun 19 22:22:31 <[lankester]> maybe one day I'll code on your phone :p
Jun 19 22:22:48 <ciacon> 4th grade school is devided into 3 parts (also separated in terms of buildings)
Jun 19 22:22:52 <[lankester]> but only if it isnt symbian phone 
Jun 19 22:23:26 <LuitvD> oh it will be linux... I'm never gonna use symbian in my life
Jun 19 22:23:32 <LuitvD> never have, and never will
Jun 19 22:23:51 <[lankester]> I was porting windows code
Jun 19 22:23:57 <[lankester]> to symbian in one of my jobs
Jun 19 22:24:05 <ciacon> for the highest ranking school an average (between grades 1 - 6 (1=best)) grade of all subjects of 2,5 is needed
Jun 19 22:24:06 <[lankester]> i still have nightmare !!
Jun 19 22:24:15 <ciacon> and I missed that....
Jun 19 22:24:34 <[lankester]> this sux ciacon 
Jun 19 22:24:36 <ciacon> only thoose have an easy way to start studiing...
Jun 19 22:24:47 <[lankester]> because 10 year old is not a good age
Jun 19 22:24:50 <[lankester]> for maturity
Jun 19 22:24:52 <[lankester]> and everything
Jun 19 22:24:58 <ciacon> RIGHT!
Jun 19 22:25:08 <[lankester]> I know really good people at 20 year old who were really dump at 10 years old
Jun 19 22:25:39 <ciacon> I am 20 and have EXTREME problem getting an IT-internship in GER
Jun 19 22:25:45 * LuitvD loves the educational system in the netherlands...
Jun 19 22:25:53 * LuitvD just graduated :)
Jun 19 22:26:14 <LuitvD> (highest level of "middelbare school" which is like high school)
Jun 19 22:26:41 <ciacon> I have more knowlege than a lot of thoose applying for an IT-Internship - but it's a sort of hopeless case
Jun 19 22:27:00 <LuitvD> I could have chosen to go to university, but I'm not going for that...
Jun 19 22:27:12 <LuitvD> I like it one level lower
Jun 19 22:27:27 <LuitvD> I'm glad I didn't have to decide on that when I was 10 years old
Jun 19 22:27:37 <ciacon> I became homeless @ age 16... that made me fail school - but the only thing an employer looks @ are the grades... not the human behind that -.-
Jun 19 22:27:38 <[lankester]> I wanted to be astronaut !!
Jun 19 22:28:04 <LuitvD> ciacon: how the hell did that happen?
Jun 19 22:28:12 <LuitvD> ciacon: becoming homeless...
Jun 19 22:28:28 <LuitvD> ciacon: kicked out of your parents house or something?
Jun 19 22:29:04 <ciacon> my dad refused me entrance to my home... I fighted my own way through life... I don't think I did bad... I finally have my own flat and a job that keeps me fed and under a roof
Jun 19 22:29:57 <don-o> in the USA, grades mean very little (nothing, really) for getting most jobs.
Jun 19 22:30:10 <don-o> they care about graduating from highschool and maybe college, but not about grades.
Jun 19 22:30:10 <[lankester]> same in canada
Jun 19 22:30:12 <ciacon> the german state did not see a reason for help or action in my case, as my dad is a fairly wealthy & hardworking foreigner in germany...
Jun 19 22:30:16 <[lankester]> except for the Big company
Jun 19 22:30:36 <[lankester]> I got a collegial degree
Jun 19 22:30:42 <don-o> [lankester]: big accounting companies seem to care about grades.
Jun 19 22:30:47 <[lankester]> and i'm doing the work of a guy with a bachelor
Jun 19 22:31:12 <[lankester]> when I left my job at a big consulting company
Jun 19 22:31:18 <[lankester]> they said to me that they wanted to keep me
Jun 19 22:31:28 <[lankester]> however they could not raise my salary because of my degree
Jun 19 22:31:29 <[lankester]> BYE
Jun 19 22:31:41 <don-o> [lankester]: interesting. yeah good time to move on.
Jun 19 22:31:44 <[lankester]> I do 50% more at my new job 
Jun 19 22:32:02 <[lankester]> they had a salary scale
Jun 19 22:32:05 <[lankester]> with title
Jun 19 22:32:07 <[lankester]> experiance
Jun 19 22:32:09 <[lankester]> en degree
Jun 19 22:32:14 <[lankester]> from my point of view
Jun 19 22:32:18 <[lankester]> after few year
Jun 19 22:32:18 <ciacon> my knowlage mostly lies in Radio and Radio communications @ wifi.... my aim is to hit the developing world in social aiding when it comes to wifi-longshots
Jun 19 22:32:24 <[lankester]> title and experiance are way more important
Jun 19 22:33:02 <[lankester]> humm wrong
Jun 19 22:33:04 <[lankester]> title and task :p
Jun 19 22:35:50 <ciacon> guys - does a build really take 50mins + on a 1,8ghz box?
Jun 19 22:36:08 <cjb> more like 3-4 hours, I think.
Jun 19 22:36:30 <ciacon> ah... that might explain it ;-)
Jun 19 22:36:39 * balrog-kun thought it was much longer
Jun 19 22:37:42 <ciacon> I (think I ) have a running Qemu on my ubuntu... one the image is built - how do I fire up the openmoko??
Jun 19 22:43:33 <cjb> qemu -hda openmoko.img`, I guess?
Jun 19 22:43:53 <LuitvD> isn't it make run-qemu?
Jun 19 22:44:01 <LuitvD> in the mokomakefile dir?
Jun 19 22:44:03 <cjb> oh, didn't know about that.
Jun 19 22:44:07 <LuitvD> heheh
Jun 19 22:44:23 <LuitvD> it automagically passes all the right parameters
Jun 19 22:44:30 <cjb> I have an actual phone, so I don't use qemu :)
Jun 19 22:44:42 * LuitvD is jealous
Jun 19 22:46:53 <don-o> thats the channel equivalent of having a big gold chain around your neck and diamond rings on your fingers :)
Jun 19 22:49:17 <CoreDump|home> don-o: the chain is actually "black" and has "OpenMoko" printed on it =)
Jun 19 23:04:34 <LuitvD> 'night
Jun 19 23:06:47 <balrog-kun> oops, yes
Jun 19 23:06:57 <balrog-kun> cjb: there's no harddisk in the Neo :)
Jun 19 23:07:18 <mjr> todo: bluetooth walkie talkie mode for biking
Jun 19 23:10:09 <mjr> slash other uses where you're close by but chatting over air is impractical due to circumstance
Jun 19 23:11:10 <miip> hmm like diving?
Jun 19 23:11:50 <mjr> yes well, using a neo and a headset is rather impractical with diving also
Jun 19 23:12:00 <miip> true :)
Jun 19 23:12:24 <ciacon> =)
Jun 19 23:12:47 <mjr> and I can't really think of other reasonable uses than biking off the cuff, just saying there might be
Jun 19 23:13:10 <ciacon> a question that has been asked so often before... is openmoko gonna have a wifi-device??
Jun 19 23:13:10 <mjr> hmm, communication between cars traveling together...
Jun 19 23:13:23 <mjr> ciacon, P2 most likely, P1 no
Jun 19 23:13:41 <ciacon> when aprox can we hope for p2??
Jun 19 23:13:52 <mjr> later
Jun 19 23:13:57 <ciacon> -+ 2months ;-)???
Jun 19 23:14:13 <miip> ciacon:  maybe ;)
Jun 19 23:14:20 <mjr> I don't expect it before say November, really, but that's just my hunch
Jun 19 23:14:29 <mjr> anyway, sleep now
Jun 19 23:14:47 <miip> gn8 mjr 
Jun 19 23:14:58 <ciacon> I only ask, as my bday is in august.. I think my parents have a mobile planned for me... ;-)
Jun 19 23:15:22 <ciacon> I was really hoping for wifi by the end of this year.....
Jun 19 23:15:51 <ciacon> your guess to when is better than any guess of mine  :Ü
Jun 19 23:15:54 <ciacon> :P
Jun 19 23:16:58 <balrog-kun> i think the final release was supposed to be >6 months after P1, so that would be 2008, but there may be developer releases of P2 before that
Jun 19 23:17:16 <ciacon> ah...
Jun 19 23:17:29 <balrog-kun> or rather of GTA02
Jun 19 23:17:36 <ciacon> gta??
Jun 19 23:17:37 <balrog-kun> because P2 means the final release :p
Jun 19 23:17:51 <balrog-kun> GTA02 is the name of the phone model for P2
Jun 19 23:17:56 <balrog-kun> as i understand it..
Jun 19 23:18:35 <miip> yeah thats what mickeys slides said
Jun 19 23:18:56 <ciacon> hm... someway I am miles of the path here in ger....
Jun 19 23:22:50 <sargas> is my setup really messed up if monotone takes hours? doing 'make setup' and leaving it for 3 hours left a slowly working monotone that was only halfway done
Jun 19 23:23:45 <cjb> monotone is usually very slow,
Jun 19 23:24:17 <sargas> it takes something like 20 minutes on my other comp thats .2 ghz slower and on same network
Jun 19 23:25:00 <cjb> well, then you don't need to ask us whether something's wrong with your computer.
Jun 19 23:25:40 <sargas> true, i guess better question is if anyone would know what would make monotone so slow
Jun 19 23:45:10 <balrog-kun> an even better question would be what can make it faster :)
Jun 19 23:48:28 <happycube> humm... memory thrashing would thrash a box pretty bad.  also a p4 celeron would get wiped out by pretty much anything .2ghz slower ;)
Jun 19 23:49:05 <sargas> p3 celeron
Jun 19 23:49:48 <ciacon> p4 1,8ghz@768mb ram... old but prone ;-)
Jun 19 23:51:30 <sargas> atleast its nearly 5 times faster then the neo, as opposed to the 2 times faster his box i'm typing on is :P
Jun 19 23:54:40 <ciacon> there is hope for  a quadcore in my house...
Jun 19 23:54:42 <ciacon> ;-)
Jun 19 23:55:21 <sargas> hmmm
Jun 19 23:55:36 <sargas> ./op.h:20: error: syntax error before ')' token
Jun 19 23:55:50 <sargas> *(uint32_t *)(gen_code_ptr + 27) = (long)(&) + 0; < line 20 of that file
Jun 20 00:00:34 <balrog-kun> sargas: are you using MokoMakefile now?
Jun 20 00:01:13 <balrog-kun> never seen this error, looks like something got #defined to an empty value
Jun 20 00:01:31 <sargas> its from compiling qemu using mokomakefile
Jun 20 00:06:35 <sargas> its weird, i can't find the equivilant file in the offical qemu sources
Jun 20 00:08:06 <balrog-kun> op.h is generated by dyngen
Jun 20 00:08:12 <sargas> o
Jun 20 00:09:34 <balrog-kun> what is CC and HOST_CC set to in config-host.mak?
Jun 20 00:11:18 <sargas> both are set to gcc
Jun 20 00:11:36 <sargas> i recently downgraded from gcc4 to gcc34 to get this to work, so thats probably causing issues
Jun 20 00:12:13 <balrog-kun> what does gcc -dumpversion say?
Jun 20 00:12:34 <sargas> 3.4.6
Jun 20 00:12:39 <balrog-kun> you don't have to downgrade, you can have both gcc's on the system
Jun 20 00:12:45 <balrog-kun> hmm, 3.4.6 should be okay
Jun 20 00:13:04 <sargas> yea, i no, i got gentoo
Jun 20 00:13:43 <sargas> could it cause a problem if ARCH in config-host.mak is set to i386 and my CHOST is i686?
Jun 20 00:14:23 <balrog-kun> no, this is correct
Jun 20 00:16:40 <ciacon> folks - I have yet another Q. I have just run throu the automake, pase the "make openmoko-devel-image", have run "make run-qemu" but the konsole tells me the following:
Jun 20 00:16:42 <ciacon> Could not configure '/dev/rtc' to have a 1024 Hz timer. This is not a fatal
Jun 20 00:16:43 <ciacon> error, but for better emulation accuracy either use a 2.6 host Linux kernel or
Jun 20 00:16:43 <ciacon> type 'echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq' as root.
Jun 20 00:16:43 <ciacon> qemu: could not open Flash image openmoko/openmoko-flash.image
Jun 20 00:17:37 <ciacon> any hints how to proceed?
Jun 20 00:18:21 <sargas> ciacon: i'd do wat it says about the max-user-freq, then run file on openmoko/openmoko-flash.image (did u compile it as root and ur trying to run it as a user?)
Jun 20 00:18:39 <sargas> (then again, i can't even get qemu to compile)
Jun 20 00:19:13 <balrog-kun> ciacon: MokoMakefile has some target that you need to run before "run-qemu" iirc
Jun 20 00:19:20 <balrog-kun> ro make the actualy image
Jun 20 00:20:21 <ciacon> sorry... I can't quite follow
Jun 20 00:20:46 <ciacon> I compiled it as normal user
Jun 20 00:21:28 <ciacon> I hope that's not a problem, as no error occured and it compiled (I hope) correctly
Jun 20 00:23:31 <sargas> ciacon: does that file they mention exist?
Jun 20 00:23:57 <balrog-kun> i mean you missed some target
Jun 20 00:24:00 <balrog-kun> lemme look it up
Jun 20 00:24:12 <ciacon> nope -.-
Jun 20 00:24:19 <ciacon> no file =(
Jun 20 00:24:47 <balrog-kun> according to the wiki, the file is created during "make flash-qemu-local"
Jun 20 00:24:51 <balrog-kun> did you flash it?
Jun 20 00:25:57 <sargas> hey, can u have functions in an enum?
Jun 20 00:26:03 <ciacon> males scense
Jun 20 00:26:07 <ciacon> makes*
Jun 20 00:26:32 <balrog-kun> sargas: functions in an enum? i don't thinks so
Jun 20 00:26:52 <sargas> nvm, i'm misreading hte code
Jun 20 00:27:22 <balrog-kun> :)
Jun 20 00:27:32 <balrog-kun> i wouldn't mind if C allowed funky stuff like that
Jun 20 00:27:39 <balrog-kun> like perl does
Jun 20 00:27:46 <ciacon> sorry... was snoring... it's still working on "make flash-qemu-local"
Jun 20 00:28:30 <sargas> ever read higher order perl?
Jun 20 00:29:38 <balrog-kun> i don't really know perl :p  but i wish C could do some things that perl does
Jun 20 00:31:38 <sargas> ah
Jun 20 01:29:04 <mickey|fic> morning
Jun 20 01:29:51 <sargas> anyone know how to switch to gcc34 in debian after installing it?
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