**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 21 02:59:57 2007 Jun 21 03:05:05 counter_msg http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (65% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in Jun 21 03:05:05 aloril changed counter prefix message to http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (65% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in Jun 21 03:13:38 * aloril meant if anybody else wishes FIC/OpenMoko luck here at IRC, then will s/I/We/ at counter page Jun 21 03:29:33 it almost sounds like it might be news along lines of "you can (pre)order" Jun 21 03:43:02 yeah - good luck! Jun 21 03:47:54 aloril: there will be no preorder. that would be unfair Jun 21 03:48:51 roh: OK Jun 21 03:49:36 aloril: it will be developer sale since at the same time specs for the gta02 will be released and people should be able to decide to either buy then or to wait depending on real announced specs and not rumors and wannahaves Jun 21 03:53:59 OK, so order announcement, but currently too early to speculate whether it will be in 'stock' (ie shipping in less than week) ;-) Jun 21 03:55:49 we will only start taking orders when we are ready to ship them as far as i can see Jun 21 03:56:03 wouln't make sense would it? Jun 21 03:56:41 roh: yeah, this is what has been told in past: when you can buy P1, there will be hard information about GTA02 (P1+) specs and discount Jun 21 03:56:58 roh: hehe, you are almost saying that it will start shipping in less than a week ;-) Jun 21 03:57:30 i really dunno. a lot of things need to be worked out till then. Jun 21 03:58:49 ok, it could still be just announcement about plans (actually mail talks about plans) Jun 21 03:59:44 aloril: i don't wanna give you too much hope, since i really do not know all the details, but when it happens it will be IT and not some half done promise to ship in $time or so Jun 21 04:01:23 ok, "prepare your credit cards in case" -type stuff ;-) Jun 21 04:01:34 *g* Jun 21 04:02:30 my personal opinion is that it would be cruel to take money from desperate nerds and not give them real, working hardware to play with in time Jun 21 04:04:46 personally I don't care if its "ships in few days" as long as I'm in the queue ;-) Jun 21 04:05:43 * aloril wishes its only /., digged, etc.. only after people at IRC/announce mailing list have had chance to order it Jun 21 04:06:30 should be enough to cover people on IRC, but might not be enough to cover people on announce list (3000 people there? wonder how many of them will order it immediately) Jun 21 04:07:13 would be nice /.:ing: Neo1973 was on sale for few hours ;-) Jun 21 04:07:28 hrhr.. will see Jun 21 04:08:26 well, if there are 1000 units: doubt IRC + mailing list would be enough to exhaust it, but I suspect /. + digg + etc.. is Jun 21 04:12:31 counter_msg http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (75% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in Jun 21 04:12:31 aloril changed counter prefix message to http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (75% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in Jun 21 04:14:58 * * OM Bug 616 has been created by autobuild-reports(AT)openmoko.org Jun 21 04:14:59 * * libxosd-2.2.15+svn20060814-r4-do_fetch Jun 21 04:15:00 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=616 Jun 21 04:17:03 exiting times Jun 21 04:18:04 Can I get a free Neo1973? ^^ Jun 21 04:18:25 Can I get a free puppy? Jun 21 04:18:33 I want candy. Jun 21 04:18:49 How is OpenMoko related to Wengo? Jun 21 04:20:09 As I understand it, not. Jun 21 04:21:06 That seems targetted at desktops, for a phone app. Jun 21 04:21:19 This is all the apps you would want on a phone. Jun 21 04:21:23 In theory. Jun 21 04:21:30 PIM, calendar, ... Jun 21 04:21:30 ah Jun 21 04:39:36 Elrond: tried active attack yet? (ie modify bits coming from hh into proprietary driver for example) Jun 21 04:40:32 interesting, this little sidewinder "emergency charger" won't charge neo Jun 21 04:40:48 but it will charge my wintec gps using the same plug Jun 21 04:41:11 bmidgley: not even at 100mA? Jun 21 04:41:59 aloril: the battery icon never changes to charging... i would think it would use 100mA since there's no "host" on the charging side Jun 21 04:42:24 maybe neo waits until it negotiates a connection to a usb host before drawing any power Jun 21 04:43:11 i'm going to go try my car/usb adapter and see if that works Jun 21 04:47:10 bmidgley the moko does not charge if the usb does not tell it can provide 500mA . we adhere usb standards for a change ;) not everyone in the industry does Jun 21 04:47:50 yeah the auto adapter doesn't do it either... need an auto adapter that negotiates 500mA :( Jun 21 04:48:24 that must mean the ac/usb adapter included with neo does do that negotiation Jun 21 04:48:48 bmidgley you can also signal the moko youre a power charger which is dumb by a magic resistor on the 5th pin Jun 21 04:49:15 that pin is normally n/c right? Jun 21 04:49:54 yep Jun 21 04:50:05 roh: is looking for that resistor a standard practice or a standard Jun 21 04:50:14 when its 48kohm +-1% its a power charger Jun 21 04:50:20 id to ground Jun 21 04:50:47 bmidgley its what anybody does for devices that adhere usb conventions to the possible max Jun 21 04:51:48 roh: does the included usb cable have the resistor in it? Jun 21 04:52:03 bmidgley that was the plan afaik. Jun 21 04:52:16 not the cable. the charger should have it attached. will see Jun 21 04:53:06 with a normal usb-A - miniusb B which we use without any resistor for connection to computers it only charges if the port is active and negotiates successfully. Jun 21 04:53:23 same behaviour as motorola does e.g. Jun 21 04:53:50 they use different resistiors i think. thats not a standard afaik Jun 21 04:54:19 http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-A-N/razrv3_charger_pinout.shtml Jun 21 05:57:48 hey, is the segfault of the qemu in the current SVN head a known issue? Jun 21 06:00:15 Sup3rkiddo you have to be more specific Jun 21 06:00:48 roh, sorry lemme dig up a pastebin Jun 21 06:01:21 http://pastebin.ca/578714 Jun 21 06:02:35 Hi all. I have just run "make openmoko-devel-image"... At the end it says, that it says, that "Build was sucessful" thou it also tells me, that "Attempted builds: 293" were made.... is this normal?? Jun 21 06:03:30 ciacon, yup Jun 21 06:03:38 I have a minor question, will the New1973 eventually support a camera? Jun 21 06:03:39 There is no camera included. With (battery) powered USB hub, you should be able to attach to (almost) any external camera. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware for details on what is included. Also see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ Jun 21 06:04:43 well that was well automated response but that still doesn't answer my question =) Jun 21 06:04:44 Guest009: answer is unknown, maybe some future model Jun 21 06:05:09 Guest009: GTA02 won't have camera because there won't be case mods for it Jun 21 06:05:26 I see Jun 21 06:05:37 Guest009: probably quite safe to say that not this year ;-) Jun 21 06:06:10 gotcha Jun 21 06:06:47 hmm.. chip in GTA02 reportedly supports camera, so who knows if somebody else does case mod ;-) Jun 21 06:07:16 Sup3rkiddo: em... could you have a look?? http://pastebin.ca/580703 Jun 21 06:07:28 aloril does not help. the pins which do camera are not put onto a connector for space reasons Jun 21 06:08:20 oh, that would be quite tricky mod then indeed ;-) Jun 21 06:08:28 when there's a will there's a way Jun 21 06:08:50 * aloril is wondering what GTA03 is and if it will have case modifications too Jun 21 06:09:39 ciacon, this is unexpected...did you build the qemu? Jun 21 06:10:08 Guest009: we should have news in less than week, but blurb about news talks only about news about GTA0[12] Jun 21 06:10:37 Sup3rkiddo: qemu is build to the specification I fould, linked on the Autobuild-wiki.... Jun 21 06:11:54 ciacon, hmm...am not sure..sorry Jun 21 06:13:11 Sup3rkiddo: sorry... was talking about the openmokomakefile --> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#Installation --> http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OEandYourDistro Jun 21 06:13:33 ciacon which distro? Jun 21 06:13:55 roh: Ubuntu Jun 21 06:13:56 on debian/ubuntu: install netpbm Jun 21 06:14:04 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[FAQ]] [[Neo1973]] Jun 21 06:14:10 Guest009: personally I would be surprised if no future model had camera Jun 21 06:15:11 roh: let's have a look... Jun 21 06:16:28 roh: looks good =) Jun 21 06:19:25 roh: don't mean to ask a numb-dumb question, but Qemu is now running the image... but I don't have a clue, how to operathe the boot manager (power & aux) button.... Jun 21 06:20:38 ciacon, press [space] Jun 21 06:21:04 ;-) Jun 21 06:21:13 roh, heres the pastebin http://pastebin.ca/578714 Jun 21 06:22:08 roh: and for future reference - whe aux is where? Jun 21 06:22:38 ciacon, [enter] Jun 21 06:22:50 thanks =) Jun 21 06:22:54 :P Jun 21 06:28:10 re Jun 21 06:30:13 Sup3rkiddo i have no clue what your problem is. the selfbuilt image and qemu from svn just now work fine Jun 21 06:31:11 roh, oh...dang...the problem is going rounds on the mailing lists..am not the only one..will update my build just inm case Jun 21 06:32:27 also update your qemu Jun 21 06:32:54 roh, yup Jun 21 06:33:18 hm.. but here /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq is also set to 1024 Jun 21 06:34:06 roh, is that a problem? i mean i have been living without that Jun 21 06:38:11 dunno if the timing stuff in qemu depends on it Jun 21 06:39:35 try if it goes away when you set it Jun 21 06:39:41 ok.. Jun 21 06:40:27 na..it didnt...am gonna update my build Jun 21 06:51:24 should one really power down an qemu-image?? Jun 21 06:52:21 openmoko: 03mickey * r2318 10/trunk/oe/packages/flite/flite_1.3.bb: oe/flite: fix bogus character spotted by roh. Jun 21 06:52:51 ciacon makes sense on the first start.. to get over 'calibrating' the display and some initial setups of packages Jun 21 06:53:36 dammn... space bar?? ;-) Jun 21 06:54:14 i mostly boot it once with make run-qemu and power it down via poweroff on the keyboard and afterwards just use make run-qemu-snapshop everytime i need the same image Jun 21 06:58:38 roh: em... I suppose the power-button is the space-bar, that I used earlyer... Jun 21 07:23:51 good morning Jun 21 07:27:38 g'mornin Jun 21 07:33:41 openmoko: 03mickey * r2319 10/trunk/oe/packages/images/oe-sync: oe/images: add oe-sync stamp Jun 21 07:36:27 *yawn* morning Jun 21 07:58:07 does someone now when the wlan version of openmoko comes out? Jun 21 07:58:29 not soon Jun 21 08:00:01 hopefully Q4? Jun 21 08:00:13 probably 2008Q1 Jun 21 08:00:48 hmm, ok wlan is a kill criteria for me but I WANT THIS PHONE :) Jun 21 08:01:17 guessing conservatively i'd say more the latter one. it all boils down to how the next 3 months performance is Jun 21 08:01:19 :) Jun 21 08:01:59 hmm.. Jun 21 08:03:41 cul Jun 21 08:13:16 aloril: look 7 lines above this one ;-) Jun 21 08:13:36 (for good counter intelligence) Jun 21 08:19:32 mornin Jun 21 08:20:14 rwhitby: thanks, I'll move a bit later today probability from first counter to 3rd counter Jun 21 08:30:34 morning Jun 21 08:33:45 Hovy: why is it a kill criteria, do you need VOIP? Jun 21 08:40:13 hi there. Jun 21 09:01:21 openmoko: 03mickey * r2320 10/trunk/oe/ (10 files in 7 dirs): oe: remove outdated stuff, add more oe-sync marks Jun 21 09:01:36 the svn messages look a lot better now Jun 21 09:01:46 as there actually is activity Jun 21 09:01:49 hehe Jun 21 09:01:50 and stuff is happening Jun 21 09:02:20 well, there has been a lot of stuff happening in the past weeks Jun 21 09:02:28 just only few code-related... Jun 21 09:02:47 yeah, no doubt about it :) Jun 21 09:11:19 counter Jun 21 09:11:19 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (75% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in 3 days 01:24:18 (3.059±3.1 days) (1537;233) Jun 21 09:11:26 Haha Jun 21 09:11:31 90% certain news in 3 days Jun 21 09:13:12 hi hrw Jun 21 09:13:18 hi Jun 21 09:16:03 Hi hrw Jun 21 09:16:12 * nox-Hand decides to join in on the politeness Jun 21 09:17:06 hrw: whatcha doing here? get back to hacking! Jun 21 09:17:29 * Stephmw thinks too much politeness just doesn't work on slaves^W valuable assets^W^W people... Jun 21 09:21:20 * hrw -> breakfast Jun 21 09:21:36 hrw: don't eat, code! Jun 21 09:30:54 ;D Jun 21 09:34:01 openmoko: 03mickey * r2321 10/trunk/oe/packages/ (6 files in 5 dirs): oe: add more oe-sync stamps Jun 21 09:38:38 counter Jun 21 09:38:38 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (75% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in 3 days 01:10:39 (3.049±3.0 days) (1538;233) Jun 21 09:44:29 openmoko: 03mickey * r2322 10/trunk/oe/packages/ (5 files in 5 dirs): oe: add more oe-sync stamps Jun 21 09:49:41 nox-Hand: 3+-3 ;-) (0..6) Jun 21 10:05:55 counter Jun 21 10:05:55 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (75% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in 3 days 00:57:00 (3.040±3.0 days) (1539;233) Jun 21 10:07:55 aloril - About active attack: We do the active part on the chop. ;o) Jun 21 10:08:08 s/chop/chip Jun 21 10:11:53 mickey|fic: hey, could you let my message to framework-devel through? Jun 21 10:16:01 mmh, yeah, i'm trying. i don't have all passwords and stuff here Jun 21 10:16:22 hehe :) Jun 21 10:16:58 What annoys me about these stupid callbacks is that I had a discussion here about adding signals for added/removed/changed and the answer was "can be done later" Jun 21 10:17:10 the API represents that attitude :} Jun 21 10:18:33 heh Jun 21 10:19:50 Elrond, me looks for an active shop ;) Jun 21 10:29:16 mickey|fic: why is MokoBanner requiring xosd? can't this be in the private data? Jun 21 10:30:30 zecke: probably, yes. i guess i tried but for some reason it didn't work. please feel free to have a go Jun 21 10:55:42 mickey|fic: aeh, why do you have the xosd in the class? Jun 21 10:57:14 mickey|fic: this basicly makes MokoBanner a singleton? is that what you want? Jun 21 11:02:49 zecke: yep Jun 21 11:03:50 mickey|fic: I would propose to create moko_banner_get_instance() and not export the _new method Jun 21 11:05:03 mickey|fic: http://rafb.net/p/IIc0z699.html Jun 21 11:05:34 what is the benefit? Jun 21 11:06:42 mickey|fic: for the patch or the get_instance? Jun 21 11:06:53 mickey|fic: patch, not hardcode X11 in the API Jun 21 11:07:11 mickey|fic: get_instance, well it is some way to make it obvious it is a singleton? Jun 21 11:08:30 zecke: ok, please go ahead. Jun 21 11:11:20 mickey|fic: okay, I will grab some food and then commit or send a patch? Jun 21 11:11:29 feel free to commit Jun 21 11:11:32 bon appetit Jun 21 11:15:37 hi all Jun 21 11:16:31 hi [g2] Jun 21 11:16:40 <[g2]> hrw: hey! :) Jun 21 11:16:57 <[g2]> how's openmoko ? Jun 21 11:17:22 I am not a proper man to answer Jun 21 11:17:53 <[g2]> I meant how is openmoko for you ? You've got a phone right ? Jun 21 11:19:30 * [g2] was just curious... I've been away for a while (playing with video stuff) Jun 21 11:20:05 I have two phones - bv3 and bv4 Jun 21 11:20:17 bv3 runs poky, bv4 runs openmoko Jun 21 11:20:25 both are off for ~week Jun 21 11:20:48 Hello everyone. Jun 21 11:21:02 Is anyone with knowledge about GSM around? 8) Jun 21 11:22:18 grzywacz: depends Jun 21 11:23:23 hrw, I need someone who knows about SMS', specifically about structure of Status Report messages. I'm having troubles finding out what's the meaning of "accept time" field. :) Jun 21 11:23:40 Like, what time exactly this is. Jun 21 11:24:03 I know it is specified somewhere, but couldn't find the right doc. :S Jun 21 11:24:46 tried ETSI? Jun 21 11:25:13 Yes. Jun 21 11:25:31 Thought it would be GTS 03.40, but uhm, no. It's not there. Jun 21 11:27:50 I did not read that part yet Jun 21 11:28:25 Ok. Jun 21 11:34:40 Hm. Actually this question might have been stupid. Nvm. :) Jun 21 11:36:16 <[g2]> hrw: it's nice seeing you. I was just dropping by for a minute to see how things are going. THX. Jun 21 11:37:38 [g2]: how things goes on your side? Jun 21 11:42:05 Does anyone happen to know of actual progress in non-contact data devices? AIUI, both SD and bluetooth newer standards have specs for it. Is anyone at all close to hardware? Jun 21 12:28:39 counter Jun 21 12:28:39 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (75% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in 2 days 23:45:38 (2.990±3.0 days) (1540;233) Jun 21 12:37:47 <_llll_> haha, 90% for news Jun 21 12:37:52 <_llll_> slim pickins Jun 21 12:39:42 Good afternoon people. Jun 21 12:40:57 hi elrond Jun 21 12:41:18 hi Jun 21 12:49:25 pH5 - Any news? (I just updated the wiki a little) Jun 21 12:53:48 Elrond: good start with the wiki - we should go away from the 'packet type' some more, though. and make some experiments with the 0x2-flagged packets. I didn't play with it yet, so no news. Jun 21 12:57:07 pH5 - Ahh :-) Jun 21 12:57:25 pH5 - When I get home, I'm grepping your cold2.log for 0x2 flag. Jun 21 13:01:16 Elrond: the only ones I see are those flagged 0x6 (writes starting at 0x05 and reads starting from 0x9d-0x9f) Jun 21 13:01:28 for channels 1-8 Jun 21 13:08:07 Elrond, pH5: what you hack? Jun 21 13:08:38 Elrond: in channel 0x10, the bit 0x2000 seems to enable the counter, writing bit 0x4 seems to reset it. not sure what is 0x40 yet. (from the three-word write at 0x08-0x10) Jun 21 13:08:42 hrw: hammerhead Jun 21 13:09:04 s/channel 0x10/channel 0, register 0x10/ Jun 21 13:11:49 ah Jun 21 13:12:40 pH5 - Wait... is that 4byte write at 0x08 flagged 0x4?! Jun 21 13:13:15 hrw: the serial protocol is basically just a way to peek and poke the different internal registers, so we're doing that (a lot) Jun 21 13:13:15 s/4byte/three word/ Jun 21 13:13:15 Elrond meant: pH5 - Wait... is that three word write at 0x08 flagged 0x4?! Jun 21 13:13:20 Elrond: my bad, it's 0x08 Jun 21 13:13:47 pH5 - Register 0x8 is a bitmask, with triggers. Jun 21 13:13:55 (flagged 0x0 or 0x8 here - no idea what the difference is) Jun 21 13:13:59 pH5 - See my channels_{arm,fire} for one bit's meaning. Jun 21 13:14:13 let me try that again Jun 21 13:14:20 openmoko: 03zecke * r2323 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) Jun 21 13:14:20 openmoko: 2007-06-21 Holger Hans Peter Freyther Jun 21 13:14:20 openmoko: Don't require X11 in the OpenMoko API. Make the usage of Jun 21 13:14:20 openmoko: xosd a private implementation detail. Jun 21 13:14:20 openmoko: Convert MokoBanner to a singleton hopefully similiar to the ones Jun 21 13:14:24 openmoko: in Gtk+. Jun 21 13:14:26 openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-banner.c: Make it a true singleton Jun 21 13:15:40 0x2000 is the "counter running" bit, 0x4 is the "counter reset" Jun 21 13:16:10 stefan_schmidt: do you happen to be present? Jun 21 13:16:12 if I write 0x4 to 0x08, nothing happens to the counter, but if I write 0x2004, it starts running from 0 Jun 21 13:16:19 So unsetting 0x2000 will stop the clock for some time? Jun 21 13:16:23 stefan_schmidt: I may not commit to examples, could you commit http://rafb.net/p/zjzLa026.html? Jun 21 13:17:21 Elrond: yes Jun 21 13:17:39 if I send 0x2004 0x2000 0x0000 in sequence, I get a stopped counter at 1 Jun 21 13:18:31 pH5 - I guess, 0x4 needs an edge for resetting. Jun 21 13:19:42 Elrond: yes, when you write 0x2004 and read the register back, it already contains 0x2000 Jun 21 13:20:21 Huh. Jun 21 13:20:27 So another 0x2004 will reset it again? Jun 21 13:23:40 Elrond: yes, just sending 0x2004 always makes it start from 0 again Jun 21 13:24:25 pH5 - Is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hammerhead_protocol#SEND_Register.2FPacket_08 correct? Jun 21 13:24:42 actually, 0x4 only resets the counter if it is already running Jun 21 13:25:27 sending 0000 0004 2000 just stops counter, and then continues at the same value Jun 21 13:26:19 Strange. Jun 21 13:26:32 <[g2]> hrw: pretty good on my end thanks Jun 21 13:26:41 hey [g2] Jun 21 13:27:06 <[g2]> koen: :) Jun 21 13:27:12 <[g2]> hi! Jun 21 13:27:18 pH5 - Okay, updated wiki. Jun 21 13:27:46 looks good Jun 21 13:28:28 Elrond: we know more bits, right. isn't 0x4000 the measurement trigger? Jun 21 13:31:17 pH5 - Do you have my paste number from yesterday handy? Jun 21 13:31:35 22:59 pH5 - http://en.pastebin.ca/579924 Jun 21 13:31:39 that one? Jun 21 13:31:59 SpeedEvil: very good, thanks Jun 21 13:32:09 unhexstr? Jun 21 13:32:22 Yeah. Jun 21 13:33:20 pH5 - So that's 0x4000, right? Jun 21 13:33:41 Elrond: exactly. now what is 0x40? Jun 21 13:34:11 I have no idea. Jun 21 13:37:01 koen - Convert "ff 00" to \xff\x00. This is just convenience, so I can paste strings stragiht from dumps. ;o) Jun 21 14:05:00 guys, http://pastebin.ca/581339, segfaults? tried updating qemu as well as my tree...been getting this since yesterday. Jun 21 14:14:53 Elrond: do I need all of the channel 0 setup to get data out of the setup/arm/fire sequence on channel 1? Jun 21 14:15:04 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Hammerhead_protocol]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] Jun 21 14:32:34 hi there. does someone know where i can buy the openmoko phone in germany? or is it not finished yet? Jun 21 14:32:35 dennismueller: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Jun 21 14:34:42 i have actually checked the faq, but i did not found the current developmentstatus of the project Jun 21 14:35:21 is there a releasedate when i can buy it? Jun 21 14:36:19 not yet. i think there will be an announcement very soon Jun 21 14:36:50 mickey|fic: ah hey Jun 21 14:37:04 mickey|fic: http://rafb.net/p/KsJONb58.html compiling mokoui without warnings Jun 21 14:37:12 mickey|fic: and I don't have commit access to examples Jun 21 14:37:40 hi ;-). iphone is released soon and i think about buying a neo with openmoko instead of a iphone. Jun 21 14:37:54 i love the opportunites Jun 21 14:37:57 mickey|fic: http://rafb.net/p/EcJ8Ae78.html Jun 21 14:38:42 ive listend to the chaosradio podcast about open moko. what you open moko guys do is very great ! Jun 21 14:39:49 are there any more screenshots or videos of the GUI and the Phone available online? Jun 21 14:42:32 there are some presentations at videos.google and our wiki contains lots of screenies Jun 21 14:42:49 zecke: can i just give you access and you commit? Jun 21 14:43:13 the i will search in the wiki. thx for help Jun 21 14:44:14 zecke: hmm you should have access to everything Jun 21 14:44:19 zecke: did you checkout w/ https? Jun 21 14:45:04 mickey|fic: let me svn switch and check... Jun 21 14:45:31 mickey|fic: it would be nice if you could review the warning changes, moko_debug is mean (in regard to c99) Jun 21 14:45:58 i know, but i couldn't get it to do what i want in any other way Jun 21 14:47:10 openmoko: 03zecke * r2324 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/examples/openmoko-stylus-demo/ (ChangeLog src/demo-main.c): Jun 21 14:47:10 openmoko: 2007-06-21 Holger Hans Peter Freyther Jun 21 14:47:10 openmoko: Update the usage of MokoBanner to use moko_banner_get_instance Jun 21 14:47:10 openmoko: * src/demo-main.c: Jun 21 14:47:11 openmoko: (cb_searchbox_invisible): Jun 21 14:47:18 :} Jun 21 14:47:39 yay Jun 21 14:47:42 mickey|fic: this is why I turn off DEBUG_THIS_FILE in some files Jun 21 14:48:58 yep Jun 21 15:01:18 openmoko: 03zecke * r2325 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (20 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) Jun 21 15:01:18 openmoko: 2007-06-21 Holger Hans Peter Freyther Jun 21 15:01:18 openmoko: Remove custom parent_class handling as this is done by Jun 21 15:01:18 openmoko: the DEFINE_TYPE macro. Jun 21 15:01:20 openmoko: Compile with -Wall -Werror by adding casts, removing inner Jun 21 15:01:22 openmoko: functions, adjusting signed-nes, returning values. Jun 21 15:01:24 openmoko: The most intrusive change is to cb_size_allocate which makes this Jun 21 15:13:12 hi Jun 21 15:13:50 hi PBeck Jun 21 15:15:31 hey florian Jun 21 15:21:47 * k-s[WORK] is away: lunch Jun 21 16:22:27 * k-s[AWAY_WORK] is back. Jun 21 16:38:58 * * OM Bug 617 has been created by autobuild-reports(AT)openmoko.org Jun 21 16:38:59 * * openocd-native-0.0+svn20070701-r0-do_patch Jun 21 16:39:00 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=617 Jun 21 16:40:20 !counter Jun 21 16:41:50 counter Jun 21 16:41:50 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (75% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in 2 days 21:39:03 (2.902±2.9 days) (1541;233) Jun 21 16:42:07 paulproteus: no ! needed :) Jun 21 16:42:30 wow, now we're predicting when new news will show up Jun 21 17:01:40 heh, news-counter Jun 21 17:01:45 jippee Jun 21 17:02:30 * LuitvD really hopes the iPhone will somehow have some delays :P Jun 21 17:09:39 LuitvD: ha Jun 21 17:18:50 LuitvD, I know what you mean.... Jun 21 17:23:16 * zecke kicks the MokoJournal API Jun 21 17:28:03 Dodji: hey :) Jun 21 17:28:11 Dodji: do you have a second? Jun 21 17:29:05 counter Jun 21 17:29:05 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (75% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in 2 days 21:15:25 (2.886±2.9 days) (1542;233) Jun 21 18:07:18 does anyone know the weight, the package with a neo1973 will have? UPS wants this for calculating fees. Jun 21 18:08:05 and exact addresses where the package is sent from and where it arrives -_- Jun 21 18:08:35 ok, can anyone tell me the shipping costs to germany? without vat & co. Jun 21 18:09:40 is the phone ready!!?? Jun 21 18:10:09 Not yet. Jun 21 18:10:09 no, nobody can tell you Jun 21 18:10:19 but it is in the starting blocks :) Jun 21 18:11:13 but that doesn't matter for the shipping costs from taiwan to germany Jun 21 18:13:06 don't use UPS Jun 21 18:13:37 so what then? Jun 21 18:14:31 Can we choose the shipping company? Jun 21 18:15:20 I don't know any other companys than "German Post", "DHL", "Hermes" and "UPS" Jun 21 18:16:12 since they're shipping worldwide, it almost has to be one of UPS or Fedex. Jun 21 18:17:10 DHL is international too Jun 21 18:17:15 they used both DHL and UPS in the past Jun 21 18:17:40 I'd prefer DHL so I don't have to pay VAT twice and the usual UPS extortion fees Jun 21 18:17:56 ah Jun 21 18:18:00 fine Jun 21 18:18:32 the neo1973 delivered with dhl was really free, the one with UPS was like 75 euros Jun 21 18:18:59 what do you mean with really free? Jun 21 18:19:11 €0.00 Jun 21 18:19:16 there have to be any shipping costs... Jun 21 18:19:30 no, FIC payed those Jun 21 18:19:38 lol Jun 21 18:20:02 i don't think they do it to everyone ^^ Jun 21 18:21:17 DHL both times to the USA Jun 21 18:25:13 wow, DHL seems to do it for 13� + (f***ing) vat Jun 21 18:40:44 hi Jun 21 19:14:25 hi barmeier. Jun 21 19:48:41 man MokoJournal annoys me Jun 21 19:53:45 aloril2: Huh? Jun 21 19:53:58 11:49 #openmoko: < aloril2> nox-Hand: 3+-3 ;-) (0..6) Jun 21 19:54:02 counter Jun 21 19:54:02 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (75% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in 2 days 20:02:57 (2.835±2.8 days) (1543;233) Jun 21 20:08:54 * Psi_ reads sean's comments on the community list Jun 21 20:14:04 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Dialer]] Jun 21 20:19:42 I just heard that the final Neo will have accelerometers, a better cpu and hardware graphics! That's amazing! But will 350$ still be a realistic price� Jun 21 20:20:16 Imitation: you will know when an official announcement will be on the announce-mailinglist. Like any other person. Jun 21 20:23:09 Imitation - Not even the hardware is final yet. Jun 21 20:24:03 BTW: Is there some u-boot channel? Jun 21 20:43:38 counter Jun 21 20:43:38 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (75% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in 2 days 19:38:09 (2.818±2.8 days) (1544;233) Jun 21 20:45:57 hi sj ;) Jun 21 20:46:14 isn't it boring to repeat known facts in the topic? *run and hide* Jun 21 21:11:01 src/moko-journal.c | 719 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++------------------------ Jun 21 21:13:13 zecke: heh, you make a complete rewrite? Jun 21 21:14:06 stefan_schmidt: just made it a GObject Jun 21 21:14:42 my rants on framework-devel are in the moderation queue, I need to get off my lazy ass and ask gmane to mirror that list as well so I can easily post Jun 21 21:15:03 zecke: I already read them on framework-devel ml... Jun 21 21:16:00 oh they are through? Jun 21 21:16:12 * stefan_schmidt needs to inform himself about mtn now. The openmoko branch seems not that long away. Jun 21 21:16:43 zecke: I read two mails from you there. So these two are through. Jun 21 21:16:47 * woglinde waits for mtn db regenerate_caches now 3 hours Jun 21 21:17:01 stefan_schmidt youre talking about the overlay? so the normal source stays in svn? Jun 21 21:17:15 woglinde: use that time to remember your old password? Jun 21 21:17:24 roh: OE stuff in branch normal sources in svn Jun 21 21:17:33 zecke no I wait to generate new key Jun 21 21:17:35 ah.. ok Jun 21 21:18:42 roh: We could also have one git tree for kernel, one for uboot and perhaps bazar for some apps? ;) Jun 21 21:18:55 mercury Jun 21 21:19:01 indeed Jun 21 21:19:30 I also heard CVS is back again. *caught* Jun 21 21:19:44 stefan_schmidt i'm just lucky when i do not need to use mtn too much since its the worst of all distributed spource control systems from what ive expoerienced Jun 21 21:20:21 urgh.. and i need to wake up properly.. Jun 21 21:20:22 roh: Which have sou used? As all it has it bad and his good sites. Jun 21 21:20:49 roh: But yeah, not much people will need to use mtn. For most svn is fine. Jun 21 21:20:55 stefan_schmidt git, mtn, hg, and i think bzr i needed somewhere also Jun 21 21:21:26 hmm, now I'm confused... Will WiFi be awailable in Phase 1 or in Phase1+? Jun 21 21:21:48 woglinde: mercurial? Jun 21 21:21:52 roh: So all big ones. But they all have problems if you use them heavily, no? Jun 21 21:22:09