**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 04 02:59:56 2007 Jul 04 03:29:10 you can set the side tone somewhat (its a cheat) by adding a resistor in series with the mic Jul 04 03:30:23 but usually the side tone is set by a reference either internally or external of the audio IC Jul 04 03:38:22 I was talking to someone who has a nokia 770, and there's apparently a thumbboard there that works well Jul 04 03:38:40 perahps something similar could work for the neo, in landscape mode? Jul 04 03:55:57 why does the price go up in october? Jul 04 03:56:15 new hardware Jul 04 03:56:18 better Jul 04 03:56:54 SpeedEvil: oic, neat Jul 04 03:58:12 ozzloy: GTA02 has wifi,better cpu, graphics (3D) Jul 04 03:58:33 more memory etc etc Jul 04 03:59:55 means playing games and video is way better Jul 04 04:00:16 heh, and a guitar pick Jul 04 04:00:42 so a question for folks who have hardware: if we are just doing app layer development, do we need the external jtag debug board? i.e. i can't brick the phone too badly by building a crap SD image can I? Jul 04 04:00:43 khester: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Jul 04 04:00:52 no Jul 04 04:02:16 a bit longer answer: if you need to ask, then you don't need it Jul 04 04:02:24 aloril: alas - I don't see a Q listed about the debug board. Jul 04 04:02:42 ooh, know what we need? a tape backup system for the people who get the 8 G sd cards :) Jul 04 04:02:45 ok - for my day job i'm a low level embedded kernel guy, so i grok the jtag thing. cool Jul 04 04:02:46 it is in Neo1973 page, but yeah, it should be in FAQ too Jul 04 04:03:07 AntonTakk: "Do I need Advanced version?" Jul 04 04:03:29 cool beans - i see it on the 1973 page now. thx Jul 04 04:03:56 khester: only need it if: 1) you flash non working u-boot (flashing non working kernel/rootfs: just reflash) 2) need kernel console Jul 04 04:03:56 aloril: i call it joking, aparently it is a reletively new concept Jul 04 04:05:26 * aloril thinks sold firmware will have some kind of check against flashing wrong u-boot Jul 04 04:05:59 what is openmoko going to use for a media player? does anyone know? Jul 04 04:06:25 you're assuming it has enough graphics hardware for that. Jul 04 04:06:56 cjb: I was under the impression GTA02 would Jul 04 04:07:05 or at least mp3 playback Jul 04 04:07:21 see [[media player]] Jul 04 04:07:21 GTA02 will have better graphics. Audio/CPU are the same in both, I believe. Jul 04 04:08:03 summatusmentis: if it has reasonable capability for that, I personally would think something ffmpeg based, because (as I understand it) ffmpeg is pretty fast for a video processing system Jul 04 04:08:19 what kind of battery life do people get in practice? Jul 04 04:08:20 AntonTakk: oh, ok Jul 04 04:08:25 thanks SpeedEvil Jul 04 04:09:11 cjb: don't think so, the specs seem to show the cpu in the july 9th phones being 200 mhz, and in gta02 being 400 Jul 04 04:09:38 i realize it will vary a lot according to what you do. i see the power usage stats page, but what does that translate to for people in here? Jul 04 04:10:05 AntonTakk: oh, cool Jul 04 04:18:32 hi all Jul 04 04:28:24 Oi I have gentoo and im going through the process of building openmoko build Jul 04 04:28:49 and what should i do with psyco since it does not support amd64 Jul 04 04:29:01 don't do anything with it Jul 04 04:29:39 so i do not need it Jul 04 04:29:46 nope Jul 04 04:30:00 Sweet thanks Jul 04 04:30:01 it's just a native JIT for python Jul 04 04:30:30 speeds running python code up Jul 04 04:31:40 locally or in the qemu environment Jul 04 04:33:27 locally Jul 04 04:35:07 don't need that im not really strapped for speed Jul 04 04:35:39 where can I get an sdk? Jul 04 04:36:10 iniduoh: info on that on the wiki Jul 04 04:36:22 a few diferent options Jul 04 04:40:31 im guessing by the size of the build that im going to be here a while Jul 04 04:42:34 mortimus_: To build the qemu flash image from scratch took about 7.5h for me on a 3000+ amd64 Jul 04 04:44:02 is there a way to connect 2 open moko phones together with usb? Jul 04 04:44:08 and transfer files? Jul 04 04:44:14 wow thats the i have on the secondary (its longer the open office) I have a 4600+ Jul 04 04:44:32 or neo phones Jul 04 04:44:38 with openmoko on them Jul 04 04:48:26 mortimus_: i haven't even been able to get passed the ncurses build bug Jul 04 04:50:21 I don't really check bugs until something breaks on me Jul 04 04:52:07 inviduob, i bet you'd have to build custom cables, and custom scripts to set it up, but i believe the neo is capable of operating as a usb host or client, so one could be host and one could be client Jul 04 04:52:35 inviduob, if you don't need the speed, i bet it is a lot easier to get them to talk to eachother via bluetooth Jul 04 04:53:45 in the moko makefile wiki they say put some lines into local.conf but i cannot find them Jul 04 04:54:22 the file that is Jul 04 04:54:28 galexande: cool. Yes I almost forgot about bluetooth Jul 04 04:54:54 can I just run make -j2 ? Jul 04 04:55:03 wow, I am getting excited about this phone. The possibilities are just endless. Jul 04 04:55:34 it's been more than 3 years since i even had a passing interest in a pda, this thing has got me wired with anticipation Jul 04 04:56:03 Now, i think that it would be cool to have a simple scripting language and sdk to encourage everyday user to hack the phone. Jul 04 04:56:09 if there isn't one already. Jul 04 04:56:24 galexande: maybe ethernet over usb and just transfer files with ftp or some such Jul 04 04:56:38 I know that the wiki mentions the sdk. But what about something for non-programmers? Jul 04 04:57:49 If there was a config menu, similar to firefox's about:config, to configure various aspects of the phone would be cool. Jul 04 04:57:59 something simple and elegant. Jul 04 04:59:34 anton, yeah, i think that openmoko in client mode appears as a "linux device" and it just makes a ..you know, ifconfig usb0 192.168.1.1 Jul 04 05:00:22 i mean, that's how i talk from my big linux box to my ipaq, i don't see why my big box couldn't be replaced by a neo Jul 04 05:02:01 it would be cool if there was like a little perl hack to make "finger apps" in perl. i bet it would be easy if it's not already there Jul 04 05:02:10 though maybe perl isn't what you were thinking :) Jul 04 05:11:39 Well, something like a simple version of common lisp might be cool. Jul 04 05:12:56 well, openmoko is just gtk with some special widgets to be convenient on touch screen Jul 04 05:13:04 so i'm sure there are gtk bindings for some of these languages Jul 04 05:14:00 how do i get moko makefile to support multiple cpus ? Jul 04 05:14:31 mortimus_: tip at the bottom of the page on using the mokomakefile Jul 04 05:15:04 i don't have a local.conf Jul 04 05:15:20 <-- gentoo (if that means anything) Jul 04 05:16:37 if you don't have a local.conf, you have probably skilled a step or something Jul 04 05:16:43 skipped* Jul 04 05:18:32 found it Jul 04 05:18:45 its in /build/conf/local.conf Jul 04 05:34:01 there are openmoko bindings for python, even for the gsm and so on Jul 04 05:34:57 * daMaestro wonders how bad shipping is going to be.... Jul 04 05:50:55 is it my imagine or is libmokoui/libmokogsm/etc a little documentation-shy? Jul 04 05:51:44 galexande: I wouldn't be surprised if they are. Guess they're not spending too much time on documentation yet. Jul 04 05:51:57 yeah, i'm not complaining, i just want to make sure i'm not missing out on the mother lode :) Jul 04 05:52:16 i'm used to learning APIs from include files even when documentation is available Jul 04 05:52:25 :) Jul 04 05:53:14 personally, i'm psyched that harald and sean etc have been working on political and supply chain issues so hard Jul 04 05:53:35 because those are the real hurdles that can stop something from becoming real... if they can solve that problem then i'll be happy to work around software issues :) Jul 04 05:53:39 Yes, a boring but necessary task Jul 04 05:55:02 sweet, they put their jtag utility in svn Jul 04 05:55:13 If anyone has a Symbian60 phone, this is a sweet theme: http://wiki.sukimashita.com/Tango_Symbian60_Theme Jul 04 06:20:35 galexande, do you ever sleep? Jul 04 06:21:03 I reckon you're a bot :P Jul 04 06:32:10 scaredy, i'm goign on a sleep strike until they ship my neo Jul 04 06:50:06 good morning Jul 04 06:54:37 morning Jul 04 07:01:16 pffft, sleep is for the weak Jul 04 07:04:08 * linux_galore dreams of doing weird stuff with gps and wifi tracking tags, muawahahaha Jul 04 07:05:07 mmm sleep for a week Jul 04 07:05:21 theres a cool idea, turn a NEO into a granny tracker Jul 04 07:07:10 setup a auto sms script that grabs the gps position every hour or so then fowards the data to another phone Jul 04 07:07:36 never lose your senile granny shopping again hehe Jul 04 07:12:57 * * OM Bug 628 has been created by willie_chen(AT)fic.com.tw Jul 04 07:12:58 * * start Xserver error Jul 04 07:12:59 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=628 Jul 04 07:17:24 morning Jul 04 07:19:38 hi Mac Jul 04 07:20:14 hi Marcin Jul 04 07:48:46 is there any way to get the xoo device image not to be so throbtastically huge? Jul 04 07:48:50 did I say that? Jul 04 07:49:21 <_diego_> amusing Jul 04 07:49:21 ScaredyCat, get a better resolution ;) Jul 04 07:50:38 Bleh! Jul 04 07:51:08 I'd need 400 x 203490545634059305 to cope with that image Jul 04 07:51:59 counter Jul 04 07:52:00 (last update 2007-07-02T06:19) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 60% for P1 in 5 days 04:07:55 (5.172±1.0 days) (1671;244) Jul 04 07:52:32 .. and I get broken graphics in xoo too.... ooo Jul 04 07:53:24 ... and grey text, on grey bg .... Jul 04 07:53:29 * ScaredyCat cries Jul 04 07:53:52 Scaredy, low contrast is better for the eyes! Jul 04 07:53:53 ...or not Jul 04 07:54:40 yeah, bu *no* contrast doesn't work ;) Jul 04 07:55:01 it's the same grey Jul 04 07:55:22 or it's not rendering any text... one or the other Jul 04 07:55:34 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] Jul 04 07:58:39 good morning Jul 04 07:59:52 mornin Jul 04 09:10:28 here's a moko Jul 04 09:10:28 there's a moko Jul 04 09:10:28 and another open moko Jul 04 09:10:28 fuzzy moko Jul 04 09:10:28 funny moko Jul 04 09:10:29 moko moko Jul 04 09:10:31 duck Jul 04 09:14:58 rofl Jul 04 09:17:05 lol Jul 04 09:24:53 why i can bitbake openmoko-devel-image, but bitbake uboot ? what is the difference about them? Jul 04 09:26:08 uboot is the bootloader? Jul 04 09:26:13 or whats your quesiton? Jul 04 09:26:19 das boot.. :P Jul 04 09:27:08 no das uboot Jul 04 09:27:09 hehe Jul 04 09:27:19 Das U-Boot - Universal Bootloader Jul 04 09:29:13 unterwasser ? Jul 04 09:29:26 * ScaredyCat doesn't really know german.. Jul 04 09:29:34 hihi Jul 04 09:29:37 i could only compile uboot bitbake -b xxxxxxx/ubootxxx.bb when i just want to compile it seperately Jul 04 09:29:48 does this mean the openmoko is water proof... :P Jul 04 09:29:58 scaredycat no no Jul 04 09:30:00 how could i compile it just use bitbake uboot? Jul 04 09:30:01 wouldn try Jul 04 09:30:15 whats the error you get? Jul 04 09:30:15 try and write an bug report ;) Jul 04 09:32:37 mornin' Jul 04 09:33:41 morning Jul 04 09:44:48 mornin' Jul 04 09:55:14 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xoo]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] Jul 04 09:56:21 little slow aloril Jul 04 10:11:55 counte? Jul 04 10:12:00 counter? Jul 04 10:12:01 "/msg aloril counter?" for actual long message, giving short version here: (last update 2007-07-02T06:19) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 60% for P1 in 5 days 01:47:54 (5.075±1.0 days) (1672;245) Jul 04 10:13:07 5 days Jul 04 10:22:30 Is the chap who asked for benchmark data online? Jul 04 10:23:11 Even if he's not, if you go to the nbench website and choose the Compiler/OS influences link: http://www.tux.org/~mayer/linux/compare/index.html Jul 04 10:23:49 then scroll to the table at the bottom; why is 16-bit DOS so much faster than 32-bit DOS (and everything else) for the numeric sort? Jul 04 10:24:06 and indeed for all the tests Jul 04 10:27:26 holy crap Jul 04 10:27:41 lardman, they're significant differences in performance Jul 04 10:29:17 Well, for once DOS won't multitask.. Jul 04 10:29:28 strange isn't it, almost as if there's a typo, but all of the results are faster (except Fourier) Jul 04 10:29:34 more importandly, Linux is considerably slower Jul 04 10:29:40 well 16bit DOS is much faster than 32bit DOS Jul 04 10:30:15 Those are old compilers though, and Fourier is faster for Linux in general Jul 04 10:30:25 Isn't 32-bit DOS protected mode? Jul 04 10:30:50 i.e. code wont be executed in Ring 0? Jul 04 10:30:51 lardman: fourier? 16bit DOS is faster there, too. Jul 04 10:30:56 That's just a compiler benchmark. Jul 04 10:31:05 I think the bigger the number the better performance Jul 04 10:31:12 Placid: Oh yes, sorry I misread Jul 04 10:31:27 "All the numbers listed below after the names of the tests are raw numbers, to be interpreted as arrays sorted per second, or bits flipped per seconds, or assignment problems solved per second, etc" Jul 04 10:31:48 morricone: Ah, perhaps Jul 04 10:31:52 * lardman looks at the readme Jul 04 10:32:15 okay, that's better, I thought they were seconds/test Jul 04 10:32:41 morricone: ahh Jul 04 10:32:44 morricone: lol Jul 04 10:32:58 morricone: i often make the mistake of not reading. Jul 04 10:33:12 so basically 30 arrays sorted per second; not bad. Jul 04 10:34:04 * lardman goes back to sleep Jul 04 11:53:22 ScaredyCat: wiki recentchanges is checked once/2h (I don't want to spam channel with every change) Jul 04 11:54:36 * hrw runs nbench on gta01 now Jul 04 11:59:47 meep Jul 04 11:59:57 raster, hi Jul 04 12:00:06 ho! Jul 04 12:00:07 :) Jul 04 12:17:32 * ScaredyCat hugs aloril2 Jul 04 12:20:36 counter Jul 04 12:20:36 (last update 2007-07-02T06:19) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 60% for P1 in 4 days 23:39:19 (4.986±1.0 days) (1673;245) Jul 04 12:44:19 hmm Philips make a Linux based home network telephone -> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rastasia/705987725/ Jul 04 12:44:44 should say "cordless telephone" Jul 04 12:45:35 yeah, but how open is it... Jul 04 12:46:47 ScaredyCat: here's a hammer, you get to open it :) Jul 04 12:48:44 more details with cpu specs http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2536449379.html Jul 04 12:49:38 qtopia... Jul 04 12:49:52 which means they would have licenced it... Jul 04 12:50:53 awww, the best thing to do with philips stuff Stephmw Jul 04 12:51:24 "Thus, the device appears to be designed for distribution by broadband network operators, as part of a videophone services contract." Jul 04 12:51:36 heh, i know of at least one thats gonna do that Jul 04 12:51:56 if it's chello, I wouldn;t bother Jul 04 12:52:10 no Jul 04 12:52:14 good.. Jul 04 12:52:21 they suck more than a Dyson Jul 04 12:53:06 chello == upc Jul 04 12:53:08 too Jul 04 12:53:11 Has anyone been able to build the flash-qemu-local image in the last two days or so? Mine always fails on "U-boot failed to finish writing in 300 seconds, giving up." Jul 04 12:53:32 send me your moko, I'll try it :D Jul 04 12:53:59 ScaredyCat: Heh, I don't have one yet, just building the qemu image for testing :) Jul 04 12:54:27 I was hving probs with qemu because of my gcc version... Jul 04 12:54:39 but i didn;t even get to the testing part Jul 04 12:54:44 Same here, before I installed 3.4.6 Jul 04 12:55:06 gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (SUSE Linux) Jul 04 12:55:06 Copyright (C) 2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc. Jul 04 12:55:06 This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO Jul 04 12:55:06 warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. Jul 04 12:55:06 yeah its on trolltechs list of devices http://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2007-03-20.5715679946 Jul 04 12:55:14 I've had it up and running for about a week, rebuilding the image without a problem Jul 04 12:55:41 ScaredyCat: Can't you have multiple gcc versions at the same time? Jul 04 12:55:56 gcc (GCC) 4.1.3 20070629 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.1.2-13ubuntu2 Jul 04 12:56:01 yeah, I guess you just use $CC= Jul 04 12:56:40 iirc it did suggest ./configure --blah Jul 04 12:56:51 I'm on gentoo, and just emerged both 4.1.2 and 3.4.6. Then the makefile and qemu buildsystem takes care of the rest Jul 04 12:57:07 * ScaredyCat has suse 10.2 Jul 04 12:57:09 It looks for gcc-3.4.x Jul 04 12:57:29 it's been fairly simple .. I'll look at ading 3.4.. Jul 04 13:44:44 has anyone with a gta01 tried to run the tt app from a tomtom ? Jul 04 13:44:47 go Jul 04 13:46:39 I seem to remember that the TT doesn't use X Jul 04 13:46:43 I could be completely wrong Jul 04 13:47:01 hello Jul 04 13:47:10 I'd hazard a guess the thing writes directly to the framebuffer Jul 04 13:47:59 When is the Neo1973 going to be on sale for anyone to buy ? Jul 04 13:47:59 Carloz: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Jul 04 13:48:06 Carloz: 5 days Jul 04 13:48:14 7win 23 Jul 04 13:48:14 nice! Jul 04 13:48:19 topic :P Jul 04 13:48:23 oops Jul 04 13:48:35 ewon: yes, they do Jul 04 13:48:44 SpeedEvil: TT is direct to FB Jul 04 13:49:00 linux FB? Jul 04 13:49:05 cant wait for this phone already :) Jul 04 13:49:06 Or do they bang the hardware Jul 04 13:49:35 Carloz: you do know it's less functional at the moment than any phone you can buy for basic stuff? Jul 04 13:49:57 I know. Jul 04 13:50:03 K :) Jul 04 13:50:11 I'm currently working on hardware add-ons. Jul 04 13:50:12 But still ... cant wait for it :) Jul 04 13:50:19 Cool. Jul 04 13:50:40 Accelerometers, magnetometers, more buttons. Jul 04 13:50:42 The possibilities are going to be endless with this phone! Jul 04 13:51:40 The future UMPC and a cellphone too hehehe Jul 04 13:51:44 It`s great! Jul 04 13:52:05 Phase 2 hardware looks even more fun. Jul 04 13:52:38 =) Jul 04 13:53:13 sure does Jul 04 13:54:05 so if the phone is in a noob state at the moment, is it going to much much better for the 1.5 release? Jul 04 13:54:07 I can imagine myself ssh`in from my phone to my pc from anywhere :) Jul 04 13:54:18 Carloz: exactly :) Jul 04 13:54:43 Carloz: train -> web server -> apt-get -> <3 Jul 04 13:54:54 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Current_events]] Jul 04 13:54:55 hehe Jul 04 13:55:47 hehe I`ll be able to manage servers at work from the bus LOL Jul 04 13:55:48 I know SpeedEvil - that wasn;t the question though,. :) Jul 04 13:57:32 I know there are tomtom employees run OE builts distros on their tomtom devices, so maybe they they also made a X11 version :) Jul 04 13:58:33 you need to mug them koen Jul 04 14:28:19 I cannot compile perl-native using the mokomake file Jul 04 14:30:04 mortimus_: what do you think could be the root cause? Jul 04 14:30:38 ccache Jul 04 14:30:58 why do you think that? Jul 04 14:32:53 ccache gcc -c -D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -DTHREADS_HAVE_PIDS -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -I/usr/include/gdbm -O2 -DVERSION=\"1.04\" -DXS_VERSION=\"1.04\" -fpic "-I../../.." SysV.c Jul 04 14:33:07 from there its says stuff is broken Jul 04 14:33:15 I've had a lot of trouble on gentoo with ccache Jul 04 14:34:11 i have to figure out how to not use it since i put it in my path (i think) Jul 04 14:40:31 SysV.xs:7:25: error: asm/page.h: No such file or directory Jul 04 14:40:44 it says im missing a file Jul 04 14:40:52 after ccache Jul 04 14:42:28 Hmm.. I remember seeing that before Jul 04 14:42:38 mortimus_, copy over the file in /usr/src/linux/include/asm-*/ to /usr/include/linux/asm Jul 04 14:42:42 worked for me Jul 04 15:05:49 Sup3rkiddo im guessing that asm-* is the arch your running Jul 04 15:06:33 mortimus_, yup Jul 04 15:13:08 guys which files to hack for modifying keyboard ? Jul 04 15:13:15 openmoko-keyboard i mean Jul 04 15:18:27 empty_mind: You should look in openmoko svn in trunk/src/target/OM-2007/inputmethods/openmoko-keyboard/ Jul 04 15:18:41 empty_mind: But that fork will die soon Jul 04 15:18:49 yay! Jul 04 15:20:02 has anyone written a tracking app, and a 'brick my phone' app yet? Jul 04 15:20:21 sms -> gps info -> sms Jul 04 15:21:10 ScaredyCat: brick my phone is easy to implement :-) Jul 04 15:21:18 hi Jul 04 15:21:27 sms -> brick my phone Jul 04 15:21:29 I meant Jul 04 15:21:40 ScaredyCat: there is something that comes with gpsd that uses gnokii to wait for a "send me your coords" sms, then sms the coords back Jul 04 15:21:58 ewon, ahh that's one part :) Jul 04 15:22:10 ScaredyCat: rm -rf / will brick things nicely Jul 04 15:22:18 at least enough to puyt off your common or garden scumbag Jul 04 15:22:48 actaully i want to work on handwriting recognition tool Jul 04 15:22:57 i have worked in this doamin in past Jul 04 15:23:06 or even something that replaces init with something that goes "AWWWOOOOOGAAAH I'VE BEEN STOLEN" out the speaker Jul 04 15:23:14 just need to know where to exactly start hacking Jul 04 15:23:33 ewon, I was thinking more of cat /usr/share/images/you-scumbag.png >/dev/fb ; rm -rf / Jul 04 15:24:08 oh, yes, and awwwooogggaaa sound is a must Jul 04 15:24:16 s/and// Jul 04 15:24:16 ScaredyCat meant: oh, yes, awwwooogggaaa sound is a must Jul 04 15:24:28 s/ /an/ Jul 04 15:24:29 software I write isn't complete until I've implemented the awooooogah sound somewhere Jul 04 15:24:41 on screen tap? Jul 04 15:24:42 :P Jul 04 15:25:11 well it has agps, make it send you the coordinates. This is how we got a stolen prototype back in 2003 Jul 04 15:25:21 zecke: really? Jul 04 15:25:23 wow Jul 04 15:25:25 schweet Jul 04 15:25:35 did you beat the everlasting piss our of who took it? Jul 04 15:25:35 that's what I'm after Jul 04 15:25:49 s/our/out/ Jul 04 15:25:50 ewon meant: did you beat the everlasting piss out of who took it? Jul 04 15:25:56 but if it wont report, then you should be able to at least disable it Jul 04 15:26:26 yupp, was a hazzle to make the attorney accept GPS coordinates... Jul 04 15:26:41 or take photos, and send them out... Jul 04 15:27:07 surely all you need is a baseball bat and the coordinates Jul 04 15:27:12 :D Jul 04 15:27:16 yeap Jul 04 15:27:50 heh "there are several angry nerds approaching your position to get this phone back and break each and every one of your fingers" Jul 04 15:28:28 "place the phone on the ground and walk away" Jul 04 15:28:46 counter Jul 04 15:28:47 (last update 2007-07-02T06:19) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 60% for P1 in 4 days 20:31:08 (4.855±1.0 days) (1674;245) Jul 04 15:28:55 * ScaredyCat jigles Jul 04 15:29:03 * ScaredyCat also jiggles Jul 04 15:32:45 empty_mind: check out xstroke Jul 04 15:33:41 ewon, xstroke might be heavy for a mobile device Jul 04 15:34:05 empty_mind: true - only tool of that ilk I'm aware of though :( Jul 04 15:39:17 empty_mind: Maybe you want to look at http://svn.o-hand.com/repos/matchbox/trunk/matchbox-stroke/ Jul 04 15:39:48 alphaone, tats exactly what i am evaluating Jul 04 15:40:11 See, I knew you would :-) Jul 04 15:42:40 hi Jul 04 15:44:01 * CoreDump|home got his SIM reactivated Jul 04 15:44:54 CoreDump|home: I'm trying to build a rev 2288 kernel manually and work myself up from there Jul 04 15:45:35 nice. I built OM over night and have an up-to-date build env for testing Jul 04 15:52:54 i wonder how long shipping will take, should i get a sim phone now or later :) Jul 04 15:55:36 wtf Jul 04 15:55:42 * ScaredyCat slaps galexande Jul 04 15:55:54 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_compatible_cellphone_providers]] [[Current_events]] [[Talk:LM4857]] Jul 04 15:56:36 you should geta pay as you go sim for nothing from any provider.. t-mobile, vodafone.. etc... Jul 04 15:56:44 s/geta/get a/ Jul 04 15:56:45 ScaredyCat meant: you should get a pay as you go sim for nothing from any provider.. t-mobile, vodafone.. etc... Jul 04 15:57:12 then just lod it with a base amount of credit... for testing and stuff Jul 04 15:58:32 s/lod/load/ Jul 04 15:58:32 ScaredyCat meant: then just load it with a base amount of credit... for testing and stuff Jul 04 16:07:50 Hmm. 1900 - July 9, the commonwealth of Australia was created. Jul 04 16:08:43 And on the same date in 1868, the 14th amendment was passed. Jul 04 16:09:08 in 2007 ScaredyCat got an openmoko Jul 04 16:11:34 Hi Jul 04 16:11:41 When was OpenMoko started? Jul 04 16:12:55 long, long ago, in a galaxy far, far away. Jul 04 16:12:58 (I have no idea) Jul 04 16:13:37 1973? :P Jul 04 16:13:48 * ScaredyCat neither Jul 04 16:14:36 Q3 or Q4 2006 Jul 04 16:14:55 Started well before then. Jul 04 16:15:06 Hardware was suppost to ship Q1 2007 Jul 04 16:19:00 Pure win. http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b289/Elemental402/posters/mecha2.jpg Jul 04 16:19:04 oops Jul 04 16:22:14 counter Jul 04 16:22:15 (last update 2007-07-02T06:19) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 60% for P1 in 4 days 19:37:40 (4.818±1.0 days) (1675;245) Jul 04 16:25:24 damn, i don't have the money to buy both ("phase 1" and "phase 2") and i really want the wifi etc. so i guess i just have to wait till october (or longer) =S Jul 04 16:25:35 >Anyone can buy for $300, starting July 9. <> Mass market in October for $450. Jul 04 16:25:45 Why such big price difference? Jul 04 16:25:55 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 Jul 04 16:26:04 faster cpu, wifi etc. Jul 04 16:26:08 wifi? Jul 04 16:26:09 GTA02 (P1+/P1.5) will have WiFi (Atheros AR6K): http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F Jul 04 16:26:15 Nice :) Jul 04 16:26:57 I'm so excited 8)))))))))) Jul 04 16:27:01 SpeedEvil: Doesn't quite have the same appeal as Howl's Moving Castle.. Jul 04 16:28:00 anyone got any clues as to why xoo runs ok, but with broken graphics, and no text (where it should be, e.g. menus) Jul 04 16:29:42 ScaredyCat: I just love the Baba Yaga reference. Jul 04 16:32:18 Can I choose base or advanced version of GTA02 ("Mass market version") set? Jul 04 16:33:56 "We will sell this device through multiple channels. Direct from openmoko.com, the price will be $450 for the Neo Base and $600 for Neo Advanced." Jul 04 16:34:14 so yes Jul 04 16:34:36 It's all in the wiki =) Jul 04 16:35:34 scaredy, getting a paygo sim is a good idea. why didn't i think of it :) Jul 04 16:36:32 I presume Advanced == hacker edition Jul 04 16:37:11 advanced = 1337 h4X0r \/3r510n Jul 04 16:37:19 hi Jul 04 16:37:55 galexande, I don't know... I thought It'd be the most sensible way round any problems Jul 04 16:38:09 yeah the no risk option Jul 04 16:38:11 lo PBeck Jul 04 16:38:15 before i port my number Jul 04 16:38:24 what Jul 04 16:38:24 hello Jul 04 16:38:30 a llitle help :) Jul 04 16:38:34 doesn't your phone use a sim ? Jul 04 16:38:42 how i spelll openmoko in english? Jul 04 16:38:46 nah i'm on sprint :( Jul 04 16:38:51