**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 13 02:59:56 2007 Aug 13 03:01:13 bkruse_home: does it happen to be the application development crash course? Aug 13 03:04:35 BryceLeo: No, but I def need to read that. Linkage? Aug 13 03:04:44 It was the "developers documentation" main page Aug 13 03:04:50 setting up your development platform, etc Aug 13 03:16:34 bkruse_home: here he go http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course Aug 13 03:23:16 * bkruse_home bookmarks Aug 13 03:23:26 BryceLeo: Thank you very much, I will get hacking soon. Aug 13 03:23:38 The problem is testing the quality of a soft client inside qemu :/ Aug 13 03:24:21 mainly because you don't have all the features you're trying Aug 13 03:25:35 BryceLeo: Correct.... eg binding to the audio device via alsa Aug 13 03:26:04 Any kind of speed, etc. So maybe I will compile the app natively and give it a shot? Aug 13 03:27:05 bkruse_home: look at the guide to running with zephyr and xoo Aug 13 03:27:19 bkruse_home: that'll give you a native build and give you an xnest wit the right res and all Aug 13 03:28:55 BryceLeo: Thank you so much, this will help with development SO much, thanks again. Aug 13 03:29:30 bkruse_home: no problem, i've been trying to be the welcome committe for for the new guys, but i've had some family issues as of late and had to take some time off Aug 13 03:48:13 peep Aug 13 03:48:49 anyone else trying to compile om2007.2? Aug 13 03:50:00 Planet: I did. Aug 13 03:50:11 was it smooth? Aug 13 03:50:24 or did you run into many issues too? Aug 13 03:50:30 Planet: I don't know where the binaries ended up and it doesn't have gsmd, so I re-flashed to .1 Aug 13 03:50:44 I used the MasterMakefile rwhitby created Aug 13 03:50:56 ahh Aug 13 03:51:16 BryceLeo: family issues? I hate to hear that man, i know where you are coming from :/ Aug 13 03:51:46 so far, glibc, gtk+,libgsmd have given me issues Aug 13 03:52:29 bkruse_home: well, mom had a graprefruit sized cyst in her liver Aug 13 03:52:52 BryceLeo: ahh, I hate that, I am going through some things with my mom also, its a hard thing to go through, thats for sure. Aug 13 03:53:00 yeah it's a bit rough Aug 13 03:53:06 but that's life right? Aug 13 03:53:18 BryceLeo: I guess so. Some people different than others. Aug 13 03:54:49 sagacis: I have had to baby sit this build, 2 times now, i have gone to bed after thinking i fixed a roadblock, only to have it dies a few tasks later Aug 13 03:55:29 bkruse_home: true enough Aug 13 03:56:28 The recipe on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#How_to_build_using_nslu2-linux_MasterMakefile_.28Ubuntu_7.04.29 should work... Aug 13 03:56:50 i am a fedora guy Aug 13 03:56:53 Yesterday, I created a new directory and started from scratch walking through the steps with no problem. Aug 13 03:56:55 Ouch. Aug 13 03:57:04 Well, then, it might be harder ;-) Aug 13 03:57:21 i first tried in 7 x64, then 6 x64, now on 6 i386 Aug 13 03:57:36 sagacis: does that build 2007.2? Aug 13 03:57:42 Yup Aug 13 03:57:54 But, I don't know where the images ended up. Aug 13 03:58:06 I only have the lowlevel foo in the directories I expected Aug 13 03:58:06 you never got to flash your build? Aug 13 03:58:10 Nope Aug 13 03:58:20 It didn't matter, either, since I do want gsmd Aug 13 03:58:42 I flashed the image at http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/ Aug 13 03:58:44 ahh, since i cant even make outgoing calls, i figure I try working in .2 Aug 13 03:58:45 instead Aug 13 03:58:58 Sure. I just got an old simcard from e-bay Aug 13 03:59:24 how does that work? Aug 13 03:59:28 prepaid? Aug 13 03:59:28 At this point, I figure any real work I do is wasted since I don't know what the OM guys are working on Aug 13 03:59:40 No, just added it to my family talk plan Aug 13 03:59:57 sagacis: what country are you in? Aug 13 04:00:05 USA w/ATT Aug 13 04:00:19 prepaids should work fine, too. Aug 13 04:00:23 sagacis: ahh ok Aug 13 04:00:31 Some people have been getting the latest att prepaids and they are working OK. Aug 13 04:00:46 Just not the ones from 1-2 years ago Aug 13 04:01:08 I figure the GTA1 doesn't support 3G, so the sim card doesn't need to Aug 13 04:01:33 i am stuck with 1 provider Aug 13 04:01:43 Planet: Where are you? Aug 13 04:01:52 Toronto basically Aug 13 04:02:03 Rogers pretty much bought everything Aug 13 04:02:04 oh. Aug 13 04:02:07 Yup. Aug 13 04:02:18 gsm that is Aug 13 04:02:19 Planet: rogers/fido have 2g and the best plans I've seen anyway Aug 13 04:02:35 telus and bell don't use sim cards afaik Aug 13 04:02:45 yup Aug 13 04:03:53 i wonder if there is a way i can figure out how my phone talks to the gsm network, so I can just duplicate it Aug 13 04:05:00 Using a gsm modem, naturally Aug 13 04:05:24 isn't that what I am doing? Aug 13 04:05:30 Sure. Aug 13 04:05:36 i need to see how a commerical phone does it Aug 13 04:05:42 Did you cu -l /dev/ttySAC0? Aug 13 04:05:47 the whole works Aug 13 04:05:56 Can't help much, probably. Aug 13 04:06:11 it goes like this, i can register, i can recieve calls, as soon as I attempt to dial, i get no carrier, then i cant recieve anymore untill I re-register Aug 13 04:06:46 ouch Aug 13 04:09:08 I don't know if there is some mode/command i need to issue before i try to dial..thats where sniffing a working phone would help Aug 13 04:10:34 I am unaware if my samsung speaks AT commands Aug 13 04:23:05 anyone know a good blog software that isn't moveable type or wordpress? Aug 13 04:23:10 i'm looking at eggblog Aug 13 04:24:52 sorry, i dont blog Aug 13 04:25:07 why do you need software... Aug 13 04:25:13 it's cool just sending out a ping to see what people thing Aug 13 04:25:15 think* Aug 13 04:25:27 Planet: i don't like anyone else controlling my apps Aug 13 04:26:08 BryceLeo, a web blog? Aug 13 04:26:33 yeah, i'm a tad bit of a control freak Aug 13 04:26:42 why use software? Aug 13 04:26:46 just make static pages Aug 13 04:27:28 copy/paste a template, fill in the blanks Aug 13 04:29:04 Planet: that's not really sustainable, and makes archives a bit of a pain Aug 13 04:29:50 oh, you plan on lots of entries Aug 13 04:29:56 whats the platform Aug 13 04:30:24 BryceLeo: your probably going to need a database cluster to handle it Aug 13 04:30:44 BryceLeo: load balancer with redundancy Aug 13 04:30:47 Planet: haha it's not gonna be that high traffic Aug 13 04:30:55 no more than 10K hits a month Aug 13 04:31:34 BryceLeo: So when you mean control, you dont want to use some 'free' blog site, you want to install a simple engine Aug 13 04:31:57 Planet: pretty much Aug 13 04:32:22 BryceLeo: i have wipped up a few of those, simple enought to make Aug 13 04:32:36 Planet: if it happens to blow up and get over 40K hits a month i'll modify the backend no problem Aug 13 04:33:15 BryceLeo: 40k a month isn't really that much to worry about... Aug 13 04:33:48 BryceLeo: Whats your platform? mysql/php? probably a ton of free scripts Aug 13 04:33:55 Planet, sorry replace month with day on that one Aug 13 04:35:23 Wordpress is great at choking Aug 13 04:36:03 BryceLeo: choking? isn't displaying a blog simple Aug 13 04:36:05 and it's terribly insecure Aug 13 04:36:33 Planet: i like things that are simple enough to scale based on their own abilities Aug 13 04:36:52 BryceLeo: I would just make one...that way you have full control Aug 13 04:37:31 Planet: I'm not a big fan of re-inventing the wheel i'd like a decent base to start from Aug 13 04:38:16 BryceLeo: Its not really re-inventing, a blog is simple, title/date/entry Aug 13 04:38:38 Planet: it's nice to have permalink and archive features, some spam protection etc Aug 13 04:38:52 BryceLeo: spam protection? Aug 13 04:38:54 Planet: i think i've found something quite nice, simplePHPblog Aug 13 04:39:02 Planet: captchas Aug 13 04:39:12 maybe i'll integrate kitty auth if i feel so inclined Aug 13 04:39:13 BryceLeo: i am not sure we are on the same page here Aug 13 04:39:30 BryceLeo: what do you mean by blog.....a forum? Aug 13 04:40:23 BryceLeo: are you trying to provice a public blog site for users? Aug 13 04:40:27 *provide? Aug 13 04:40:42 Planet, blog, like you write a thing, people leave comments, very simple directed community discussion Aug 13 04:41:53 BryceLeo: oh you need to accept comments, etc. i see. 40k comments a day? Aug 13 04:42:22 BryceLeo: wow, must be some topic! Aug 13 04:42:25 lol Aug 13 04:42:36 no no uniques Aug 13 04:43:00 I could never understand why anyone would want to read my thoughts on random issues/stuff Aug 13 04:43:36 haha it's not my thoughts, it's going to go with a project i'm working on Aug 13 04:43:52 it'd end up being a company blog that i maintain Aug 13 04:44:17 ahh, i always find content to be the hardest thing to come up with Aug 13 04:44:58 thats why my domain has always been blank Aug 13 04:45:09 heh, thankfully i don't have that sort of responsibility! Aug 13 04:45:24 lol the only good entires at my domain are from my fiancee before we got engaged about our road trips Aug 13 04:46:42 hmm, before engaged, road trip, good entry, best I dont ask what these 'entries' contain Aug 13 04:47:38 i think i am gonn call it quits for the night, om2007.2 hasn't failed in the last 400 tasks Aug 13 04:47:46 Planet, lol it was when we visited canada for 45mins Aug 13 04:47:53 Planet: sweet deal Aug 13 04:48:06 * Planet feels a canada joke coming on.. Aug 13 04:48:20 lol not at all, it beats the US Aug 13 04:48:55 ssshh, you gov'n is listening Aug 13 04:49:10 Planet lol, i'm planning on getting out of here eventually Aug 13 04:49:26 where is here? Aug 13 04:50:28 Planet, the us Aug 13 04:50:53 ahh, if you like traffic, I suggest moving to toronto Aug 13 04:50:53 the goal is to get to NZ, AUS, or Belgium Aug 13 04:51:10 oooh traffic! how are canada drivers? Aug 13 04:51:32 depends which 'country' your in Aug 13 04:52:30 Planet lol sweet Aug 13 04:52:34 i love nothing better then to drive in the US Aug 13 04:52:42 so much more...organized Aug 13 04:52:54 could be the strick hiway coppers Aug 13 04:52:59 everyone is afraid of Aug 13 04:53:36 Planet: we've got some cessnas and some Helio's in some states Aug 13 04:53:52 aircraft patrol? Aug 13 04:54:06 Planet: yup in some places Aug 13 04:54:09 cessnas in Ohio Aug 13 04:54:13 choppers in PA Aug 13 04:54:41 ahh, a few roads around here, advertise air-radar, but i think its a gimic, never seen a chopper Aug 13 04:55:51 Planet: heh, it's definately true here Aug 13 04:56:36 hehe, the choppers spend most of their time in the winter with their infared cameras looking for exceptionally warm houses due to hydroponics Aug 13 04:58:01 hahahaha understandable, but isn't it legal to grow but not sell? Aug 13 04:58:29 where did you hear that? Aug 13 04:59:04 i hear about some bust at least once a week on the news Aug 13 04:59:17 Planet, hmm i thought that canada legalized mary J Aug 13 04:59:42 Planet: i really don't know, i have some stoner friends that know little and so i take it with a grain of salt Aug 13 05:00:00 oh, thats explained Aug 13 05:00:52 hehe, now they are installing rf power meters on houses....which report power usage every hour, i figure its another 'method' Aug 13 05:01:00 Planet: lol, yeah i don't do that myself so it's not a problem Aug 13 05:01:14 Planet: haha oh man what a bit of a pain Aug 13 05:01:58 this channel is quiet, we arn't even talking moko Aug 13 05:03:36 well, it being 1 am, i gotta jet, cya around BryceLeo Aug 13 05:03:43 yeah, it'll pick up around 3:00 so when the people around tiawan and Japan pick up Aug 13 05:03:48 alrighty c ya Planet Aug 13 05:05:02 man Aug 13 05:06:03 the staging area pkg-config is telling me i'm missing libraries that i see in the work area Aug 13 05:07:01 oh man i dont want to start fresh Aug 13 05:07:33 that is odd Aug 13 05:13:27 NOTE: preferred version 2.4 of glibc not available Aug 13 05:13:32 does that mean something's wrong? Aug 13 05:17:22 it says psyco isn't installed even though i have the debian package python-psyco installed Aug 13 05:19:16 moin Aug 13 05:19:25 alrighty Aug 13 05:19:27 must run Aug 13 05:19:29 good luck orzo Aug 13 05:19:30 bye all Aug 13 05:33:23 is there a wiki page on the state where the neo insists on turning off it's backlight and disconnecting it's usb network? Aug 13 05:49:08 goto love customers for a chuckle, Question: does the [model] usb headset come with a cable Aug 13 05:50:11 I sent a reply and the customer emailed back .... DOH! Aug 13 05:50:17 "no, it's one of those magical usb over bluetooth ones" Aug 13 05:50:45 morning Aug 13 05:50:55 yes Aug 13 05:50:59 sadly Aug 13 05:51:09 nearly the end of the day for me Aug 13 05:51:39 6:51am here, off to work in an hour or so and i've been up most of the night with a tummy bug :( Aug 13 05:52:27 cjb_ie: take some toilet paper with you in case you get a shite attack Aug 13 05:54:24 I always carry half a bog roll with me, nothing worse than visiting a public toilet with sand paper bog paper Aug 13 05:55:12 ...except one with none at all Aug 13 05:55:14 cjb_ie: drink lots of water, hope you get better mate Aug 13 05:55:40 i have been, but no change since friday Aug 13 05:55:53 think it's time to get some meds. Aug 13 05:56:19 cjb_ie: what triggered it, hope it wasnt canned chicken soup like me Aug 13 05:56:57 linux_galore: that's the weird thing... i had a bunch of fruit for breakfast on fri and things started getting a bit strange around lunchtime Aug 13 05:57:33 unless it was a delayed effect from airline food the previous day, or bulgarian food... *shrug* Aug 13 05:57:57 cjb_ie: if you get food poisoning you usually know within 8 hours Aug 13 05:58:05 that's what i thought. Aug 13 05:58:17 anyway, showertime. bbiab Aug 13 06:00:10 cjb_ie: could be chemical contamination in the fruit Aug 13 06:00:30 pretty rare though Aug 13 06:17:20 this is so strange. ftp.astron.com refuses to serve this machine I'm trying it from. it works to everywhere else.. building moko fails due to that :o Aug 13 06:23:27 fatal-: the machine isn't behind NAT is it? Aug 13 06:26:21 On the openmoko.com product page it says that the Neo1973 has a high quality audio codec, wouldn't it be more correct to say it has a high quality audio endec? Aug 13 06:26:27 http://openmoko.com/products-neo-base-00-stdkit.html Aug 13 06:26:33 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endec Aug 13 06:26:51 cjb_ie: kind of.. anyhow, the ftp server answers but then decides that it can't serve me :o Aug 13 06:27:05 I'm now going through proxy and it wroks Aug 13 06:27:06 works :) Aug 13 06:27:31 ah, i was just going to ask if maybe setting PASV would do it - but it seems you're sorted anyway Aug 13 06:27:35 fatal-, what does `telnet ftp.astron.com 21` say? Aug 13 06:28:07 500 Sorry, no server available to handle request on ftp.astron.com Aug 13 06:28:08 Connection closed by foreign host. Aug 13 06:28:50 which is somewhat interesting error message.. :o Aug 13 06:28:56 fatal-, strange message... Aug 13 06:29:05 I've never heard the word "endec" before. I agree that codec is a bit funny, but generally speaking people call that an audio controller or something like that. Aug 13 06:29:12 sounds like it thinks it's too busy Aug 13 06:29:14 sounds like a virtual host think like in http... Aug 13 06:29:33 cjb_ie: but I can access it from other machines easily Aug 13 06:29:33 Yeah, sounds like too much load. Aug 13 06:29:41 just one ip address off and it works Aug 13 06:29:57 it may think you're already connected to it. Aug 13 06:30:05 fatal-, and you are shure it's not related to your network? Aug 13 06:30:15 maybe it's some sort of load balancing box that allocates requests according to some sort of hash of the client IP Aug 13 06:30:17 And so it's not letting you get a second connection. Possibly if you let it lie for a while it'll forget the connection. Aug 13 06:30:28 though that'd seem like a bass-ackwards way to do it Aug 13 06:30:35 I've run into this before, although not with astron. Aug 13 06:30:41 wait a sec, I was wrong, the machine next to this problem machine has the same problem Aug 13 06:31:04 so it blocks the whole /24 or something.. Aug 13 06:31:32 are u nat-ing? Aug 13 06:32:14 so mellon may be right - your real-ip already has a connection Aug 13 06:32:29 hmm, no, because the machine itself is a nat machine Aug 13 06:32:35 Ifatal, I think mdt has it. Aug 13 06:32:51 It doesn't matter, as long as one of the machines behind the nat is connected, the nat router won't be able to. Aug 13 06:32:56 fatal-, wait 3min and it works again ;) Aug 13 06:33:03 Yup. Aug 13 06:33:08 mdt: it did this already on friday Aug 13 06:33:11 Just don't do anything in the meantime. Aug 13 06:33:31 hmm Aug 13 06:33:45 I'll first check if there are any processes left hanging out there Aug 13 06:34:42 .. nope. Aug 13 06:34:46 what was that with the proxy - did u use a proxy inside your net? Aug 13 06:35:09 I'm now using an outside proxy Aug 13 06:35:35 see... Aug 13 06:35:57 which works and thus solves the problem, but still the original error message is strange Aug 13 06:36:45 there is one possibility though Aug 13 06:37:00 sometimes the fantasy of ftp-admins runs amok Aug 13 06:37:02 maybe the operator has a "forced proxy" for ftp connections which fails Aug 13 06:37:33 and the proxy I've now specified manually happens to work better Aug 13 06:38:25 there _shouldn't_ be a forced/hidden proxy.. but there are reasons why I've switched to another operator for my home machine :) Aug 13 06:38:55 i dont think there is a forced proxy Aug 13 06:41:45 Planet, yo.. why fc6? Aug 13 06:42:40 sagacis, i got a sim with a family plan and it works Aug 13 06:42:56 sagacis, it was also reported as the sim provided with togo (the att prepay) Aug 13 06:43:03 s/the/a/ Aug 13 06:43:05 daMaestro meant: sagacis, it was also reported as a sim provided with togo (the att prepay) Aug 13 06:43:53 and i look forward to om2007.2 stabilizing (hopefully before i have time to work on it) Aug 13 06:44:02 the razr v3.whatever sucks Aug 13 06:44:57 Jim Huang wrote in his mail about lots of patches for gsmd... how can i integrate those into the mokomakefile build process? Aug 13 06:54:21 can the neo detect when i plug headphones in? Aug 13 06:54:32 so that it can automatically switch from speakers to headphones Aug 13 06:54:40 supposedly yes, through the keyboard driver. Aug 13 07:11:18 it is really mind blowing how long it takes for om2007 to build Aug 13 07:14:00 building a whole linux system does take its time Aug 13 07:15:15 morning Aug 13 07:16:49 yeah, i know Aug 13 07:16:53 i'm just bitching ;-) Aug 13 07:21:02 grr git-native is still failing due to missing ExtUtils::MakeMaker Aug 13 07:24:27 hmm perl-ExtUtils-MakeMaker needs to be added to the build deps for om2007.2 Aug 13 07:24:34 at least on fedora Aug 13 07:34:53 how do i add things to the top panel menu? Aug 13 07:35:12 look in /usr/share/applicaitons/ Aug 13 07:35:24 and /usr/share/matchbox/vfolders Aug 13 07:36:54 If you want to add your own 'category' add it to Root.order (in vfolders) Aug 13 07:38:30 thanks Aug 13 07:39:44 Is that in the wiki? Aug 13 07:40:01 Guess there should be some kind of Dev FAQ with stuff like that Aug 13 07:40:35 http://pastebin.ca/655309 Aug 13 07:44:21 I dunno where it should go CM Aug 13 07:44:58 ScaredyCat: Hmm.. Me neither. Is there some kind of "Development" category? Aug 13 07:45:25 Maybe a Developer FAQ is a good enough way to start? Aug 13 07:46:08 I think there's a lot of random development :) Aug 13 07:47:11 Hehe, sure is. Just want to get my Neo to boot first.. :( Aug 13 07:47:17 :o Aug 13 07:47:33 wassuo Aug 13 07:47:40 s/o/p/ Aug 13 07:47:41 ScaredyCat meant: wassup Aug 13 07:47:47 I've had all kinds of issues, but right now it's "Wrong magic number" Aug 13 07:48:05 On my kernel. Saw a mail about that on the dev-ml, but it wasn't the same thing Aug 13 07:48:08 have you got a boot menu ? Aug 13 07:48:18 Yes, but not the right one Aug 13 07:48:20 can you get one I mean Aug 13 07:48:24 mornin' Aug 13 07:48:30 I only have two menu items Aug 13 07:48:34 does it have 'factory reset' on it ? Aug 13 07:48:38 Boot and Factory Reset Aug 13 07:48:41 Yes, what is that? Aug 13 07:48:49 do the factory reset, you should be able to boot Aug 13 07:48:53 Ah, ok Aug 13 07:49:06 I've tried to ask what Factory REset is, but no one seemed to know Aug 13 07:49:14 What does it do? Aug 13 07:49:46 it seems to copy some data from ram to the mtdblocks Aug 13 07:49:48 rom Aug 13 07:49:57 Ok Aug 13 07:50:05 dunno really , I just know it did the job for me... Aug 13 07:50:06 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bricked Aug 13 07:50:07 At least it doesn't break anything`? Aug 13 07:50:11 Ah, ok Aug 13 07:50:12 no Aug 13 07:50:26 it allowed me to boot... Aug 13 07:50:30 THanks a bunch.. Can't wait to get home from work now :D Aug 13 07:50:37 oh, DOH! Aug 13 07:50:45 you didn't take it with you Aug 13 07:50:46 ? Aug 13 07:50:54 Had my girlfriend over for a week, and she wouldn't let me play.. :( Aug 13 07:51:03 Only got to play with her.. ;) Aug 13 07:51:03 with her or the neo? Aug 13 07:51:08 :) Aug 13 07:51:29 I like her touch interface better to be honest.. :P Aug 13 07:51:35 Anyway, thanks :) Aug 13 07:51:41 np Aug 13 07:52:05 :D Aug 13 07:52:24 did you play with the environment vars in u-boot CM? Aug 13 07:52:31 is that what you broke? Aug 13 07:52:36 No Aug 13 07:52:47 But I accidently pulled out the battery while it was on Aug 13 07:53:00 I had just reflashed with mickeyl's latest kernel and rootfs Aug 13 07:53:00 on or booting? Aug 13 07:53:04 ooo Aug 13 07:53:15 And still had the back off when running it Aug 13 07:53:23 did you take a copy of your mtdblocks? Aug 13 07:53:31 And dropped it on the table so the battery fell out Aug 13 07:53:35 No Aug 13 07:53:39 k.. Aug 13 07:53:42 :/ Aug 13 07:54:19 if you read my thing http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bricked I got that menu after I'd barfed the u-boot-env partition Aug 13 07:54:33 I'm reading it now Aug 13 07:54:40 i have removed the battery on two occasions...when it didn't respond to anything else Aug 13 07:54:52 while on... Aug 13 07:55:02 Guess I had bad luck Aug 13 07:55:08 if you get it to boot I can send you the u-boot-env mtd file and you cna flash it from the phone under linux Aug 13 07:55:31 ScaredyCat: That would be great :) Aug 13 07:56:25 can you dfu ? Aug 13 07:56:39 wow, i might actually get a om2007.2 build to go :-D Aug 13 07:56:43 Noy sure.. Aug 13 07:56:45 Not Aug 13 07:56:55 Or yes Aug 13 07:56:55 granted i'm at task 940 of 3522 Aug 13 07:56:58 I can flash it Aug 13 07:56:59 but no ttyACM0 Aug 13 07:57:06 Exactly Aug 13 07:57:21 I think you might actually have the same problem as i did Aug 13 07:57:24 Or rather, I do get a ttyACM0, but I can't connect to it Aug 13 07:57:42 u-boot knobs it up if the params are wrong Aug 13 07:57:49 ok Aug 13 07:58:36 But you managed to get around it without a debug board? Aug 13 07:58:41 we can try it when you get home... Aug 13 07:58:57 What time zone are you in? Aug 13 07:59:54 * CM reads 10:00 AM here Aug 13 08:00:00 GMT+! Aug 13 08:00:08 1 Aug 13 08:00:09 :) Aug 13 08:37:12 is there a volume controler available? Aug 13 08:37:19 besides alsamixer in the console Aug 13 09:00:28 how do i make an e on the stroke recognizer? Aug 13 09:05:06 Hi guys :) Aug 13 09:05:21 Has anyone had any success compiling rsvg? Aug 13 09:05:21 mikedee: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Aug 13 09:05:49 DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS += "python-pygtk2 python-pycairo python-pygoogle python-profile python-threading python-distutils python-textutils python-codecs python-pickle python-datetime python-core python-io python-compiler python-compression python-re python-xmlrpc python-email python-image python-resource python-math python-unixadmin python-tkinter python-gdbm python-html python-subprocess python-mailbox python-xml python-mime python-zlib python-db Aug 13 09:05:49 python-crypt python-audio librsvg" Aug 13 09:06:12 rsvg-cairo-draw.c:42:30: error: pango/pangocairo.h: No such file or directory Aug 13 09:06:23 (its actually a cairo/pango problem) Aug 13 09:06:43 is there any website that tels how to use the stroke recognizer? Aug 13 09:07:13 orzo: just a paper by cworth describing how it is implemented Aug 13 09:09:06 where is that? Aug 13 09:09:30 google will tell you Aug 13 09:10:36 it seems that things go bad when you have little battery Aug 13 09:11:24 like... images don't read correctly and the little gsm icon on top makes the window manager to crash Aug 13 09:11:48 which actually ends making a 9sec power button shutdown Aug 13 09:26:32 is it possible to cut and paste? Aug 13 09:26:45 pastebin is your friend if it's a big one Aug 13 09:27:07 no i mean on the neo, can i select text in the terminal and paste it Aug 13 09:27:16 i can select Aug 13 09:27:17 oh. no idea. sorry :) Aug 13 09:27:28 I think it is.. But how do you paste? Aug 13 09:27:38 How do you "right click"? Aug 13 09:27:57 i expected alt-tap Aug 13 09:28:00 but i guess not Aug 13 09:29:04 orzo, what do you mean by "alt" Aug 13 09:29:06 ? Aug 13 09:29:21 do you mean the "aux" button? Aug 13 09:31:33 ya Aug 13 09:31:37 aux-tap Aug 13 09:31:39 i guess Aug 13 09:35:29 Are you using mrxvt or gtkterm? You can copy and paste in mrxvt with Ctrl+Shift+c and Ctrl+Shift+v. Aug 13 09:40:22 should I report the librscg problem to the oe bugtracker? Aug 13 09:41:47 the neo's stroke recognizer doesn't follow the defaults documented for xstroke Aug 13 09:42:07 http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix03/tech/freenix03/full_papers/worth/worth_html/xstroke.html Aug 13 09:42:13 thats where i was looking Aug 13 09:46:03 Yeah, the default strokes.xml doesn't include everything, but it's not too bad to customize. Aug 13 09:50:00 i have a music controller ap Aug 13 09:50:15 with song title and four buttons, play/pause, stop, prev, next Aug 13 09:51:30 it uses mpd Aug 13 09:54:52 * ruoso was thinking... Aug 13 09:55:08 there should be a way to have "usage profile" Aug 13 09:55:09 I mean Aug 13 09:55:19 when I'm using only with the fingers Aug 13 09:55:31 the apps should appear differently then when using with the pen Aug 13 09:56:26 for instance... the top menu Aug 13 09:56:31 is useless with the finger Aug 13 09:56:40 but currently, is the only way to get out of the dialer Aug 13 10:07:50 openmoko: 03njp * r2692 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c): (log message trimmed) Aug 13 10:07:50 openmoko: 2007-08-13 Neil J. Patel Aug 13 10:07:50 openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_keypad_dial_clicked), Aug 13 10:07:50 openmoko: (on_talking_accept_call), (on_incoming_call), (on_incoming_clip), Aug 13 10:07:50 openmoko: (on_call_progress_changed), (moko_dialer_dispose), Aug 13 10:07:53 openmoko: (moko_dialer_init): Aug 13 10:07:55 openmoko: Check if moko_journal_load_from_storage () worked, otherwise don't create Aug 13 10:15:45 openmoko: 03njp * r2693 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-dialer/ (ChangeLog src/dialer-window-history.c): Check the string is valid before using strcmp. Aug 13 10:45:06 if you're running the nslu2-linux master makefile to build om2007.2, then make sure you do a "make update-bitbake" and install python-pysqlite2 package on the host Aug 13 10:51:12 rwhitby - Is python-pysqlite2 a dependency of the new bitbake? Aug 13 10:51:29 I think I heard that Aug 13 10:51:44 And pysqlite2 uses sqlite3 :) Aug 13 10:52:54 hehe. ;o) Aug 13 10:54:18 hiya LaF0rge Aug 13 10:54:46 * CM bows to LaF0rge (and remembers the good old mud-days..) ;) Aug 13 10:54:56 hi all Aug 13 10:55:08 what's this about the mailinglists in the subject? Aug 13 10:55:35 i see mailman happily delivering mails Aug 13 10:55:55 Change it back then :) Aug 13 10:56:17 Hi LaF0rge! :) Aug 13 10:56:21 They were down for a while, and lots of people came in here asking about it Aug 13 12:10:42 I know a song that'll get on your nerves... get on your nerves....get on your nerves... I know a song that'll get on your nerves get, get, get on your nerves ... Aug 13 12:10:52 * xzcvczx stabs ScaredyCat Aug 13 12:10:56 /ignore ScaredyCat Aug 13 12:11:03 haha, the song does not work on irc Aug 13 12:11:07 * blindcoder tapes ScaredyCat to the ceiling Aug 13 12:11:16 you can turn selectively deaf by a togglebutton :) Aug 13 12:11:20 apparently it does xkr47 Aug 13 12:11:24 :) Aug 13 12:11:42 * xzcvczx cuts the tape to see whether the thing can land on its feet into a pool of sulphuric acid Aug 13 12:11:46 it never got into the phase of being annoying, I just knew it would if it stopped going on :) Aug 13 12:11:53 so I was pre-emptive :) Aug 13 12:12:41 * ScaredyCat issues a pre-post-emptive strike on xkr47 Aug 13 12:13:03 * CM hasn't heard it Aug 13 12:13:31 pardon? Aug 13 12:13:43 If it's a real song that is :) Aug 13 12:13:49 it is... Aug 13 12:14:05 I just know that 'ringtone' that's a supposedly unhearable high tone Aug 13 12:14:10 I have.... and it was sung by a girl, of course.. :P Aug 13 12:14:31 heh, ScaredyCat could have that song as a ringtone :DD Aug 13 12:14:33 and damn, I can hear it, and it's so fscking annoying that I threatened the guy to smash his phone if he didn't turn it off Aug 13 12:15:15 what do you mean 'could' >:) Aug 13 12:17:51 http://youtube.com/watch?v=a1k5t-Tn1qg Aug 13 12:18:23 best one i have had was when we were doing a test in 6th form english and so everyone was quiet and then from the back of the room comes the sound of a chick having an orgasm Aug 13 12:18:49 well i have heard Aug 13 12:19:32 ScaredyCat: you talked about OpenOCD NAND support on saturday night? The "nand" command is just the parent for nand-related stuff, I changed its help text to "NAND specific commands". Regarding NAND support in OpenOCD: there is support, but currently only for the LPC3180's NAND controller. Depending on the target's NAND implementation you either need a driver specific to your uC or some generic driver for memory-mapped NAND access Aug 13 12:19:43 you had baby chickns in your class xzcvczx? Aug 13 12:20:45 On my old nokia phone 10 years ago I had the Top Gun theme song typed in Aug 13 12:20:56 ooo.... useful thanks drath! Aug 13 12:21:10 People couldn't stop humming it after they had heard it Aug 13 12:23:02 better than trying to hum Master of Magic for the c64 ;) Aug 13 12:28:16 hey folks Aug 13 12:28:52 I have a bit of a problem with my neo Aug 13 12:29:38 Hi kerthale, whats bugging it? Aug 13 12:30:00 hey, my kernel is complaining about some inodes Aug 13 12:30:12 14:30 -!- Cannot join to channel #openmoko-devel (Bad channel key) Aug 13 12:30:15 hm Aug 13 12:30:35 can someone give me some IRC lesson? How to join that channel? Aug 13 12:30:38 you need a key Aug 13 12:30:53 I thought: Aug 13 12:30:54 14:25 -!- Cannot join to channel #openmoko-core (Bad channel key) Aug 13 12:31:01 is FIC and friends Aug 13 12:31:07 so -devel as well - too bad Aug 13 12:31:15 sweet, I didn't know IRC could do that Aug 13 12:31:22 * rxr neither Aug 13 12:31:38 you can even do server keys Aug 13 12:31:47 IRC has a channel mode "k" (/mode #foo +k bar) which sets a key (password) required to join a channel. Aug 13 12:31:51 hi blindcoder Aug 13 12:31:59 Servers also support password-protected connections. (iirc using PASS?) Aug 13 12:32:00 * SpeedEvil reads the new USB charger spec, and wishes it had supported higher voltage... Aug 13 12:32:03 on freenode you can pass your nickserv password as server key and be automatically nickserv identified Aug 13 12:32:07 hi rxr, long time no see Aug 13 12:32:25 yeah - interesting you're around here ... Aug 13 12:32:31 someone else have trouble with the newer rootfs images? Aug 13 12:32:40 SpeedEvil: 1.21 jiggawatts ? Aug 13 12:33:15 No - just some 30W would be nice. Aug 13 12:33:18 kerthale: From where, and what filename? Aug 13 12:33:22 rxr: yeah, I actually thought about getting a neo, but decided to wait for phase 2 Aug 13 12:33:31 rxr: so I hang around here ever since Aug 13 12:33:54 on the wiki it said that this one should work: http://people.openmoko.org/mickey/images/OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-.dev-snapshot-20070808-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 Aug 13 12:34:10 used this root image: http://people.openmoko.org/mickey/images/uImage-2.6.21.5-r2-fic-gta01.bin Aug 13 12:34:18 And what problem are you experiencing? Aug 13 12:34:23 err, kernel* Aug 13 12:34:32 well, it won't get into x Aug 13 12:34:39 blindcoder: I guess you can read my feelings about the OE based, "pre-alpha" "firware" provided :-) Aug 13 12:34:45 http://www.t2-project.org/targets/neo1973/ Aug 13 12:34:46 Does it yield any error? Aug 13 12:34:53 at boot it's complaining that a bunch of stuff, mostly gnome things, are missing Aug 13 12:35:04 rxr: yeah, I've seen the discussion yesterday evening, but was too lazy to join in Aug 13 12:35:20 well, the kernel complains of jffs2 inodes Aug 13 12:36:02 where is that rxr Aug 13 12:36:36 just rebooted, it says that a bunch of files, part of gnome, appear to be hard links Aug 13 12:36:45 rxr: my primary concern is a phone that works, so I guess since they announced that basically nothing works as it should, I took it to mean "we're selling development hardware so people can fix bugs and develop software so that there is something when we release the final thing" Aug 13 12:37:03 rxr: can't say I'm disappointed though, played with it in qemu a bit Aug 13 12:37:54 "bootup in less than 2 minutes" <--- mine dos that now Aug 13 12:40:05 1m27s Aug 13 12:40:17 how possible is it for my nand to be busted? Aug 13 12:41:00 have you booted to u-boot and erased the kernel and rootfs and then reflashed? Aug 13 12:41:13 erased? Aug 13 12:41:27 nand erase Aug 13 12:41:33 I'm using the dfu-util Aug 13 12:41:38 yes... Aug 13 12:42:01 but it's sometimes a good idea to erase the rootfs and kernel before flashing them Aug 13 12:42:18 how do I do that? :) Aug 13 12:43:10 boot into u-boot and fire up minicom or cu on /dev/ttyACM0 Aug 13 12:43:26 ok, lemme try that in a bit Aug 13 12:43:30 you should get a GTA prompt if you hit return Aug 13 12:43:50 then do a: nand erase kernel Aug 13 12:44:00 nand erase rootfs Aug 13 12:44:06 I'll try that in a bit, first gotta find cu Aug 13 12:44:32 then reflash your images with dfu-util Aug 13 12:45:15 Meh, t2-project.org suddenly gives me no route to host :S Aug 13 12:46:19 A halted neo drains batteries :( Aug 13 12:46:27 daxxar: yeah died here too Aug 13 12:46:37 kerthale: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko Aug 13 12:46:45 thanks Aug 13 12:46:52 don;t mess with the u-boot bit though Aug 13 12:47:04 mmazur: You can try removing the battery for ~10 seconds, then reinsert it. Aug 13 12:47:10 I've read the disclaimers yeah Aug 13 12:47:22 mmazur: AFAIK it's because some devices are not shut off (GSM modem or BT unit, perhaps?) Aug 13 12:47:39 daxxar, I have removed it to enter a new sim card. Now trying to boot and nothing. Aug 13 12:47:47 I assume it charges even when off? Aug 13 12:47:54 (connected to laptop) Aug 13 12:48:13 If you let it discharge fully, it'll need to stay connected for a few minutes before it lets you boot. Aug 13 12:48:16 if it's totally flat you'll need to plug it in for about 10 mins before powering up Aug 13 12:48:21 k Aug 13 12:48:25 Looks like it's flat then. Aug 13 12:48:34 'halt' really should turn everything off. Aug 13 12:48:42 mmazur: Indeed. ;-) Aug 13 12:49:01 yes, it should power off stuff.. Aug 13 12:49:09 * ScaredyCat modifies his Aug 13 12:53:46 hi every one Aug 13 12:54:13 i reasently got an openmoko (neo1973) Aug 13 12:54:34 looks good but now i have to flash it and get it to work Aug 13 12:54:36 ;) Aug 13 12:58:07 hrm, anybody know how to get into the neo with minicom? Aug 13 12:58:32 you need to a) config minicom b) press aux+power at boot Aug 13 12:58:53 yeah, what do I need to config on minicom? Aug 13 12:59:04 /dev/ttyACM0 Aug 13 12:59:16 start minicom with : minicom -s Aug 13 12:59:23 that'll allow you to configure it Aug 13 12:59:36 I don't have ttyACM0 Aug 13 12:59:39 once configured you can just start it with : minicom Aug 13 12:59:44 you wont Aug 13 12:59:53 it only appears at dfu bot Aug 13 12:59:55 boot Aug 13 13:00:12 just preconfigure minicom... Aug 13 13:00:17 I'm using gentoo Aug 13 13:00:27 so I might miss something in my kernel or something Aug 13 13:00:40 kerthale: I had the same problem Aug 13 13:00:48 use dmesg to see if it was there when booting neo.. Aug 13 13:00:55 how did you fix it? Aug 13 13:01:02 I think it was cdc_acm or something, under usb configurations Aug 13 13:01:06 dmesg | grep "ACM0" Aug 13 13:01:07 well, that's it, it won't make new devices Aug 13 13:01:08 Also I added usb_net Aug 13 13:01:11 aaah ok Aug 13 13:01:12 kerthale, the module needed is cdc-acm Aug 13 13:01:24 gentoo shmentoo Aug 13 13:01:48 * CM recompiled Aug 13 13:03:12 * ScaredyCat pokes Kensan Aug 13 13:03:23 any news on scummvm ? Aug 13 13:03:53 ScaredyCat, what about scummvm? *interested* Aug 13 13:04:07 of course... Aug 13 13:04:43 someone has it working and was supposed to supply Kensan with patches + bb recipe... Aug 13 13:04:56 woot, moko arrived. Aug 13 13:05:03 but they were some kind of wuss and couldn't handle their drink Aug 13 13:05:11 at the weekend Aug 13 13:05:13 :( Aug 13 13:05:16 * fledermaus ponders bailing out of work to go home and play :) Aug 13 13:05:37 anyone have the slurpie version? Aug 13 13:06:13 slurpie? Aug 13 13:06:40 fledermaus: the moko is cool.. but not THAT cool Aug 13 13:06:43 not.... yet Aug 13 13:06:44 :) Aug 13 13:07:25 orange + white Aug 13 13:08:13 sure, I have the orange-white Aug 13 13:08:24 haha Aug 13 13:08:39 I got the black and silver, Aug 13 13:08:41 Hmmm. Aug 13 13:08:42 I hope. Aug 13 13:08:49 It's been connected for 20+ minutes, and still it doesn't boot. Aug 13 13:08:53 That's odd. Aug 13 13:09:08 raster: it's that or sit here integrating loggin and tests into someone eleses code... Aug 13 13:09:09 mmazur: Not even turning on? Aug 13 13:09:22 mmazur: is it a 500ma port or 100ma ? Aug 13 13:09:23 raster: do you got a neo, yet? started some E17 based software for it ? Aug 13 13:10:03 fledermaus: good point. go home :) Aug 13 13:10:08 ScaredyCat, dunno. Most likely 500, since iirc it was both working and charging. Aug 13 13:10:29 rxr: well - more started modifying e17 so it will work nicely on a moko Aug 13 13:10:38 rxr: not really building for the moko... yet Aug 13 13:10:41 just preparing the way Aug 13 13:10:42 I managed to connect to the neo with minicom Aug 13 13:10:46 by modularising things Aug 13 13:10:47 etc. Aug 13 13:10:49 raster: Nice :) Aug 13 13:11:03 not in a rush Aug 13 13:11:06 doing things right Aug 13 13:11:38 eventually i'll add a dialler module Aug 13 13:11:46 and others to handle all the other basic phone signalling stuff Aug 13 13:11:54 like incoming call, sms etc handling Aug 13 13:12:10 so basically all the core thigns your phone needs to do (calls, sms, addressbook) will be integrated Aug 13 13:12:16 they should start instantly that way Aug 13 13:12:33 as all the setup is already done by the wm prcoess Aug 13 13:12:44 hi all Aug 13 13:12:55 the rest is up to "apps" Aug 13 13:12:57 Sounds very ambitious to me, but that's just good ;) Aug 13 13:13:03 raster: thats a little grave, but way, at least it starts instatly ... Aug 13 13:13:03 not really Aug 13 13:13:07 all perfectly feasible Aug 13 13:13:20 raster: you would run it on the bare FB, right ? Aug 13 13:13:26 there's a lot of extensibility designed right into e Aug 13 13:13:30 no Aug 13 13:13:32 i'd run under x Aug 13 13:13:39 good stuff kerthale Aug 13 13:13:49 i just think core phone functions should be always there and ready to go Aug 13 13:14:06 the cost of executing an app Aug 13 13:14:10 on an unaccelerated one? if you just have E modules you can just drive the FB and sqeeze a little extra performance Aug 13 13:14:10 linking in dynamic libs Aug 13 13:14:13 connecting to x Aug 13 13:14:21 gettign display info Aug 13 13:14:23 fonts Aug 13 13:14:24 etc. Aug 13 13:14:28 is a fairly large cost Aug 13 13:14:40 if u want something to pop up almost instantly when an incoming call comes Aug 13 13:14:42 or u want to make a call Aug 13 13:14:47 look up a contact Aug 13 13:14:48 etc. Aug 13 13:15:00 as for performance Aug 13 13:15:10 e in xand e in the fb really wont be much different Aug 13 13:15:21 also then we will lose all the benefits of the gta-02 Aug 13 13:15:25 with accelerated hw Aug 13 13:15:37 u want to re-invent x11 + x drvier arch then for the fb? Aug 13 13:15:39 sure Aug 13 13:15:42 we can use directfb Aug 13 13:15:48 but in the end u will run xdriectfb on top Aug 13 13:16:01 because basically u want al lthe x11 support for the zillions of x apps and toolkits Aug 13 13:16:04 I do not have strong feelings for directfb ... Aug 13 13:16:06 so really x11 is the right choice Aug 13 13:16:13 imho Aug 13 13:16:27 it makes for a better development platform Aug 13 13:16:38 any desktop app u have can work on openkoo Aug 13 13:16:43 as long as it can fit on the screen Aug 13 13:16:52 and not REQUIRE a keyboard or multi-button mouse Aug 13 13:16:54 (and the font is large enough :-) Aug 13 13:17:02 (and can live with a virtual keyboard) Aug 13 13:17:55 x11 provides openmoko with a possible wealth of apps to be just cross-compiled Aug 13 13:18:00 others to be slightly modifyied Aug 13 13:18:08 or ones to be completely written from scratch Aug 13 13:18:14 dfb alone will limit that a alot Aug 13 13:18:26 and u will end up with x11 compat that ends up being most of what u do Aug 13 13:18:27 yeah, pingus-sdl on moko! :-) Aug 13 13:19:02 I'm very curious to see what difference the graphics chip in P2 can make Aug 13 13:19:20 Ok, works. Must've had some trouble with the usb connector. Aug 13 13:19:27 That is the long usb cable. Aug 13 13:19:39 CM: given well implemented drivers Aug 13 13:19:42 it should be very decent Aug 13 13:19:51 but to start Aug 13 13:19:59 That's what I'm hoping :) Aug 13 13:20:00 i would just expect perfromance similar to what is currently there Aug 13 13:20:04 as it iwll be all software driver Aug 13 13:20:08 the drivers will improve Aug 13 13:20:13 xrender and opengl Aug 13 13:20:13 ScaredyCat, thanks for the help :) Aug 13 13:20:15 as well as core x Aug 13 13:20:33 no problem kerthale ... did it fix the problem? Aug 13 13:20:44 it's still flashing the root image now Aug 13 13:21:44 kerthale: Do you have 2 or 4 options in the boot menu? Aug 13 13:21:46 the gta-02 chip i think will be limtied for 3d games Aug 13 13:21:49 not very powerful Aug 13 13:22:01 but for making 2d smooth ans silky - and pretty - it will kick bum. Aug 13 13:22:21 raster: That's what I'm hoping for most, smooth map applications for use with the gps Aug 13 13:22:42 :) Aug 13 13:23:43 2 or 4? Aug 13 13:23:51 I have 6 :) Aug 13 13:24:34 Boot, console to USB, console to serial, Power Off, Boot from SD, Factory reset Aug 13 13:26:59 Ok, I just have Boot and Factory reset Aug 13 13:27:17 Hopefully, with some help from ScaredyCat I'll get it back in shape later this eve Aug 13 13:27:20 a new uboot? Aug 13 13:27:41 Yes, mickey's from last week Aug 13 13:28:23 * ScaredyCat points at the 40million warnings all over the place Aug 13 13:28:48 that's a lot of warnings :) Aug 13 13:28:59 I know, and I didn't want to flash uboot, but it wouldn't boot unless I did, so mickey told me to update :) Aug 13 13:29:05 awesome, no more errors, it worked :D Aug 13 13:29:23 thanks a million guys :) Aug 13 13:29:54 hurrah! Aug 13 13:30:36 x is even behaving properly :) Aug 13 13:34:23 ScaredyCat: will try to put ScummVM-BB on the net later tonight. Aug 13 13:34:41 sweet!!! Aug 13 13:34:56 * ScaredyCat digs out monkey island Aug 13 13:36:00 what state is grime in these days? Aug 13 13:36:07 does grim fandango run yet? Aug 13 13:43:18 fledermaus: I miss Glottis ;) Aug 13 13:44:13 fledermaus: does not seem to be supported by ScummVM. Aug 13 13:47:35 ScaredyCat, oh...i got standard scummvm working, but we need a stylus-only version Aug 13 13:47:36 Wtf. Aug 13 13:47:48 It just played a sound at me while booting! Aug 13 13:48:41 mmazur: cool wat uboot du Aug 13 13:48:49 do u have Aug 13 13:49:02 default Aug 13 13:49:02 and kernel Aug 13 13:49:05 hmm Aug 13 13:49:07 ok Aug 13 13:49:28 Kernel 21.5-r2 Aug 13 13:50:07 im wondering if its wortit to update to a newer uboot Aug 13 13:50:28 Unless you have a reason, then no. Aug 13 13:50:40 And you probably don't. Aug 13 13:50:49 Ok, the upper bar with the icons just died. Aug 13 13:50:59 And the dialer doesn't ask me for my pin :( Aug 13 13:51:44 What's that bar's name, so I can run it manually? Aug 13 13:54:06 does "factory reset" do the same as "nand erase rootfs?" Aug 13 13:54:18 ruoso: factory reset is not yet implemented Aug 13 13:54:30 LaF0rge: Does it do anything at all? Aug 13 13:54:36 so, how do I do this "nand erase rootfs" then? Aug 13 13:54:43 uboot doesn't show this option to me Aug 13 13:55:01 and dfu-util doesn't seem to show me anything like that too Aug 13 13:55:08 LaF0rge: I only have 2 items on my boot menu, and boot fails on "Wrong magic number". Aug 13 13:55:30 do I need to update uboot? Aug 13 13:55:33 ruoso: You have to connect to /dev/ttyACM0 with minicom or cu Aug 13 13:55:42 hmm Aug 13 13:55:55 s"http://d"https://d" Aug 13 13:55:59 LaF0rge: hi harald Aug 13 13:56:02 (in topic) Aug 13 13:56:38 hi zecke Aug 13 13:57:57 The level of bus I see when running xserver from hand... omg :) Aug 13 13:58:00 hmm Aug 13 13:58:07 cu keeps saying "Line in use" Aug 13 13:58:09 hmm Aug 13 13:58:16 * ruoso must be doing something stupid Aug 13 13:58:21 hi LaF0rge! what was the outcome from the weekend? Aug 13 13:59:54 hmmm i wish there were websites that showed all the AT commands :S without having to look through tons of .doc's Aug 13 14:00:53 * ruoso could make it with minicom... Aug 13 14:01:09 ruoso: You get a prompt? Aug 13 14:01:39 yep Aug 13 14:01:51 I could follow the information I already had Aug 13 14:02:00 it just worked Aug 13 14:02:01 :) Aug 13 14:02:08 I hope i'll be able to get one too.. At least I still have a somewhat working uboot :P Aug 13 14:03:10 * ruoso is always surprised with how long it takes to upload a 30MB rootfs image to the phone Aug 13 14:03:37 * ruoso testing the 20070813 image now Aug 13 14:03:45 * ruoso flashing yet, actually Aug 13 14:03:54 .13? It's not the .2 img? Aug 13 14:04:29 .2? Aug 13 14:04:45 2007.2 version of openmoko Aug 13 14:04:57 I'm not sure... Aug 13 14:05:06 * ruoso still didn't get the naming schema for the versions Aug 13 14:05:14 how one identifies if it's 2007.1 or .2 Aug 13 14:05:18 oh, a new image? where to find? Aug 13 14:05:31 * ruoso guesses that 20070813 is recent enough to be 2007.2 Aug 13 14:05:32 :) Aug 13 14:05:52 ruoso, what's the file size? Aug 13 14:05:59 30MB Aug 13 14:06:09 Well, mine is 40 Aug 13 14:06:22 ah, the ones on http://chooseopen.com/openmoko/build/ ? Aug 13 14:06:32 yep Aug 13 14:09:19 * ruoso wonders if there's any problem in having minicom open and typing some keys while uploading the rootfs Aug 13 14:09:27 * ruoso stopped an upload because of that... Aug 13 14:10:12 so... the 2007.2 versions have ~ 40MB and the 2007.1 ~ 30MB? Aug 13 14:11:33 Yup. Aug 13 14:12:28 so, where are the 2007.2 images? Aug 13 14:12:41 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2 Aug 13 14:15:18 is upating uboot mandatory? Aug 13 14:16:03 No. Aug 13 14:16:07 On the contrary. Aug 13 14:16:09 Don't touch it. Aug 13 14:16:23 yep... I'm always avoiding it Aug 13 14:20:30 heh, neo on ebay 8) http://cgi.ebay.com/OpenMoko-neo1973-Phase-1-Development-Model_W0QQitemZ120150320320QQihZ002QQcategoryZ64355QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Aug 13 14:20:55 Hmm. My terminal has huge fonts :( Aug 13 14:21:00 I want them small. Any ideas? Aug 13 14:23:44 o.O glade - 2 fux Aug 13 14:25:54 * * OM Bug 702 has been created by obri(AT)chaostreff.ch Aug 13 14:25:55 * * log xserver output Aug 13 14:25:56 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=702 Aug 13 14:28:44 root@fic-gta01:/media/card$ rm grendel.mp3 Aug 13 14:28:45 rm: unable to remove `grendel.mp3': Input/output error Aug 13 14:28:46 sweet Aug 13 14:28:48 wonder wtf Aug 13 14:29:11 root@fic-gta01:/media$ umount /media/card/ Aug 13 14:29:11 root@fic-gta01:/media$ mount /media/card/ Aug 13 14:29:11 /dev/mmcblk0p1: Input/output error Aug 13 14:29:11 mount: /dev/mmcblk0p1: can't read superblock Aug 13 14:29:12 Hmm. Aug 13 14:29:14 woohoo, neo1973 is supposed to arrive today Aug 13 14:30:03 mmazur: try looking into dmesg Aug 13 14:31:17 what are folks here using to track out of main svn repos work? Aug 13 14:31:24 mmp, lots of io errors. Aug 13 14:31:25 git? Aug 13 14:31:38 xzcvczx: look at my website Aug 13 14:31:40 private svn repos? Aug 13 14:31:50 mmazur: I personally don't own neo (yet), but isn't there anything more? Aug 13 14:32:03 like some SD interface errors... Aug 13 14:32:27 Jan 1 00:44:50 fic-gta01 user.err kernel: data() transfer stillin progress. Aug 13 14:32:27 Jan 1 00:44:50 fic-gta01 user.err kernel: s3c2410-sdi s3c2410-sdi: mci_setup_data() transfer stillin progress. Aug 13 14:32:37 Jan 1 00:44:50 fic-gta01 user.err kernel: mmcblk0: error 4 sending read/write command Aug 13 14:32:40 Jan 1 00:44:50 fic-gta01 user.warn kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 301 Aug 13 14:32:42 mmazur: I'm working with device which has SD controller similar to s3c2410's... Aug 13 14:32:45 It worked up to a point. Aug 13 14:32:56 Managed to get 14mb of a file onto the device. Aug 13 14:32:59 And then kaboom. Aug 13 14:33:11 I can get to similar state when I read/write certain area on SD card... Aug 13 14:33:25 Any ideas then? Aug 13 14:34:11 Anyone know the status of the 3G sim cards? Aug 13 14:34:11 mmazur: the only thing which help then is to do hard-reboot... Aug 13 14:34:30 mmazur: but I might be wrong, I don't have enough info about that... Aug 13 14:34:54 calamous_: monitor the bug Aug 13 14:35:39 Crap. Aug 13 14:35:57 XorA: yes, i have, just havent seen any activity or any on the carrier/att page, someone said that TI had a firmware upgrade but that fic and TI were resolving the details. I was just wondering if anything further about that was known Aug 13 14:36:25 calamous_: well as the TI firmware is a top secret job, you wont get much details of it Aug 13 14:36:43 calamous_: but the devs do use the bugtracker so status updates will happen to it Aug 13 14:36:49 XorA: I was afraid of that. Aug 13 14:37:10 Xora: alright, i'll keep watching ;) Aug 13 14:37:25 calamous_: not LaF0rge email about the silly work load on the devs Aug 13 14:37:33 s/not/note/ Aug 13 14:37:33 XorA meant: calamous_: note LaF0rge email about the silly work load on the devs Aug 13 14:38:10 mmazur: on the other hand, this can really be different device, so I may be just plain wrong Aug 13 14:41:57 Blah. I'd like to hack something together that'd at least do as an mp3 player. Aug 13 14:42:04 But I lack the docs to to the stuff I want :( Aug 13 14:42:09 GSM doesn't seems to work in 20070813 (2007.1) Aug 13 14:44:55 xzcvczx: or even just my wiki profile Aug 13 14:45:24 mmazur, what docs are you looking for? Aug 13 14:46:40 juco, knowing how to (manuall) turn on/off all the devices I want to + how to control the mixer. I'm trying to figure out how to have sound only in my headphones without the main speaker. Aug 13 14:47:09 No working gui's fine by me, as long as I can hack away with a few scripts. Aug 13 14:47:43 mmazur: I heard somewhere that pygtk and pygstreamer can do the job :) Aug 13 14:47:53 mmazur: run alsamixer, scroll along to the right until you find lm4857 mode. change to headphones Aug 13 14:49:07 XorA, not found. Aug 13 14:49:38 mmazur, amixer is scriptable Aug 13 14:49:58 Great, sill, can't find the right setting. Aug 13 14:51:01 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem#Multimedia Aug 13 14:51:38 LLS+-/RLS+- should be speakers -- LHP/RHP should be headphone Aug 13 14:51:46 mmazur: sorry Amp Mode Aug 13 14:52:01 mmazur: options are Call Speaker Stereo Speakers Stereo Speakers + Headphones Headphones Aug 13 14:52:49 https://people.openmoko.org/laforge/gta01/gta01b_v2/alsa/stereoout.state also seems to list the controls Aug 13 14:53:03 Heaphone Playback Volume -- Speaker Playback Volume Aug 13 14:53:04 XorA, thx Aug 13 14:53:20 mmazur: I should have remebered I renamed that control in the driver Aug 13 14:53:39 Now just to take over the lcd display and figure out how to block taps or something. Aug 13 14:57:37 Need to read up on involvement or sth. Aug 13 14:57:53 And I promised myself I wouldn't waste time on this :( Aug 13 14:58:13 Is there a document describing the devel process for software? Aug 13 14:59:45 hax hax hax hax hax swear compile gdb swear compile hax release? Aug 13 15:04:19 woglinde: hey! Aug 13 15:04:55 jo Aug 13 15:04:57 I am back Aug 13 15:14:04 Need to read up on docs. Calling works :) Aug 13 15:14:14 No sound though. Probably alsa. Aug 13 15:15:18 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing#2007.2 Aug 13 15:16:11 BTW, 2007.2 interface is way better then 2007.1 Aug 13 15:16:42 the only problem is that the smooth scrolling list doesn't recognize finger tapping very well Aug 13 15:16:58 and most stuff doesn;t actually do anyhting Aug 13 15:17:16 yep... Aug 13 15:17:31 and it's slower Aug 13 15:17:50 specially to start Aug 13 15:18:01 ruoso, it is Aug 13 15:18:09 the "Today" application takes an eternity to start Aug 13 15:18:36 should be named Tomorrow in that case Aug 13 15:18:38 ... >.> Aug 13 15:18:50 ruoso: you could profile app start with ltt or oprofile and send the results to the -dev list? Aug 13 15:19:11 hmm... Aug 13 15:19:17 zecke, I need some guidance on that Aug 13 15:19:44 ruoso: google is a good guidance :) Aug 13 15:19:55 I mean on the phone Aug 13 15:20:03 profiling apps in my PC is easy Aug 13 15:20:08 ??? profiling is the same Aug 13 15:20:13 oprofile Aug 13 15:20:21 or gcc and libc with profiling support Aug 13 15:20:39 yep, but that would involve building another image Aug 13 15:20:39 ruoso: oprofile, ltt, just like on your powerpc linux desktop Aug 13 15:20:58 not really Aug 13 15:21:08 ruoso: packages + probably a differently configured kernel Aug 13 15:22:08 hello everyone Aug 13 15:24:20 having a little bit of trouble turning my neo on Aug 13 15:24:45 the battery is registering @ 2.7v Aug 13 15:25:33 I had it plugged in overnight, but it is still registering @ 2.7v Aug 13 15:26:08 the neo was plugged directly into my PC Aug 13 15:26:17 any ideas? Aug 13 15:28:09 Anyone tried doing gprs and gsm calls at the same time? Aug 13 15:29:09 mmazur: gprs will be suspended during duration of gsm call Aug 13 15:29:26 Writchie, you sure? Aug 13 15:29:37 yes, DTM is not supported Aug 13 15:29:50 Oh well. At least I'll know what's going on. Aug 13 15:29:59 So connection notification gets through even during gprs call? Aug 13 15:30:10 when the voice or csd call ends the gprs will resume Aug 13 15:31:18 ciphercast222: how did you turn it off? Aug 13 15:31:48 ciphercast222: stuff can be on, even in off mode, and use most of the charge current. Aug 13 15:31:57 Pop battery, reinsert, charge Aug 13 15:32:17 Yup. A wiki page with 'how to turn *everything* off' would be nice. Aug 13 15:32:19 wait 1h or so, boot when conencted to PC Aug 13 15:39:25 that's the process I did last night and today :( Aug 13 15:40:09 good point though about stuff being 'on' in 'off mode' Aug 13 15:45:21 SpeedEvil: I DC'ed the battery, reinserted, and am anxiously waiting... Aug 13 15:47:26 k Aug 13 15:50:11 openmoko: 03njp * r2694 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c): Aug 13 15:50:11 openmoko: 2007-08-13 Neil J. Patel Aug 13 15:50:11 openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (moko_dialer_init): Aug 13 15:50:11 openmoko: Warn when unable to load journal. Aug 13 15:59:24 hello for now Aug 13 15:59:43 openmoko: 03njp * r2695 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokojournal2/ (7 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) Aug 13 15:59:43 openmoko: 2007-08-13 Neil J. Patel Aug 13 15:59:43 openmoko: * Makefile.am: Aug 13 15:59:43 openmoko: * configure.ac: Aug 13 15:59:43 openmoko: * mokojournal-tool/Makefile.am: Aug 13 15:59:44 openmoko: * mokojournal-tool/mokojournal-tool.c: (main), (_add), (_list): Aug 13 15:59:48 openmoko: Add a simple tool to query and manipulate the journal from the shell. It Aug 13 16:13:49 oops Aug 13 16:14:03 dialer just dont stop vibrating after rejecting a call Aug 13 16:15:23 can the openocd be used with eclipse? Aug 13 16:26:22 lol: http://www.freeopenmoko.com/ Aug 13 16:26:26 I'm beginning to realize that the Neo does charge on the Mac Powerbook USB port, but it won't charge on a 500ma charger. Does this make sense? Aug 13 16:27:04 are they both giving a good healthy 5V? Aug 13 16:27:41 don't know. I guess I should make a USB break-out box so I can measure. Aug 13 16:27:55 a super cheap 500ma charger may not actually have much in the way of regulation Aug 13 16:29:40 I'm using a Motorola USB charger that came with my RAZR Aug 13 16:30:14 it says 5V @ 550ma Aug 13 16:30:32 it charges the RAZR without a problem Aug 13 16:31:09 It's nothing to do with no regulation. Aug 13 16:31:21 It's to do with the charger not being a USB host. Aug 13 16:31:31 The neo will only charge at high rate if: Aug 13 16:31:58 A) It is connected to a PC, which configures it to be able to draw 500mA, after reading its properties through the USB interface. Aug 13 16:32:06 i vaguely recall reading in a /. discussion about apple's patented charger-drm-ish idea that motorola chargers already do that Aug 13 16:32:19 B) It is connected to a source of 5V, and autofast mode turned on in u-boot. Aug 13 16:32:42 I've not found a way to turn autofast mode on in linux. Aug 13 16:33:37 Does that mean I would have to flash u-boot to set this? Aug 13 16:33:41 No. Aug 13 16:33:47 Look on the 'bootloader' page Aug 13 16:33:58 for how to add it to the u-boot menu Aug 13 16:34:23 will do. thanks. Aug 13 16:37:55 Hey, we had this discussion yesterday on the IRC Aug 13 16:38:13 (charging with a wall adapter) Aug 13 16:39:00 SpeedEvil: have you figured out meaning of chgcur? Aug 13 16:39:04 The moral of the story is that the neo's power management chip will ONLY charge 500ma mode (fast mode) if the other end negotiates as an appropriate USB host. Aug 13 16:39:14 Writchie: best guess. Aug 13 16:39:39 It's something like (chgcur-800)/2 = mA Aug 13 16:39:44 However. Aug 13 16:39:54 SpeedEvil: That doesn't work mathematically Aug 13 16:39:58 You need to average 50 or so points to get a meaninfgul reason. Aug 13 16:40:41 I averaged a bunch and removed outliers (0 and 17k) and came up with 240 when charging at 100ma Aug 13 16:41:01 http://www.mauve.plus.com/battery.gif Aug 13 16:41:16 The red line is voltage (averaged) the green is averaged current. Aug 13 16:41:25 Was that with a 500ma feed? Aug 13 16:41:28 This behaves as expected. Aug 13 16:41:35 yes, with the device on. Aug 13 16:42:05 Can you repeat with a dumb charger? Maybe that will tell us more Aug 13 16:42:20 It doesn't. Aug 13 16:42:29 I can capture the data, if you want. Even better if you have a script or something. Aug 13 16:42:35 If you do 'autofast' in u-boot, then it charges the same. Aug 13 16:42:50 But, I want to plug in while it's operating and maintain the charge. Aug 13 16:43:03 Plug it into a computer. Aug 13 16:43:05 And it will. Aug 13 16:43:06 I use more than 100ma when running, so I slowly die even if plugged in. Aug 13 16:43:13 thanks ;-) Aug 13 16:43:28 Or reboot, and then select autofast in u-boot. Aug 13 16:43:29 SpeedEvil: you sure red is voltage? Aug 13 16:43:30 I can't drive anywhere for more than 3 hours is what you are saying... Aug 13 16:43:43 Or buy a laptop for the card just to keep a charge? Aug 13 16:43:57 sagacis: see the 'bootloader' page on the wiki Aug 13 16:44:09 this tells you how to add 'autofast' as a menu item in uboot Aug 13 16:44:14 I know how to do that, but it stops working the first time I unplug the phone, apparently. Aug 13 16:44:18 I've not succeeded in doing it through linux. Aug 13 16:44:20 Indeed. Aug 13 16:44:25 Writchie: in a USB cable - yes. Aug 13 16:44:46 red = 5V, black = 0V, other two wires are D+ and D- Aug 13 16:45:42 What we really need is for the PM to follow the USB protocol Aug 13 16:46:33 sagacis: it does the protocol - that is the problem Aug 13 16:46:44 just got my phone, and I'm trying to install the devel environment on my PC. I installed all the prereqs for OE, and now want to install OE. this page: Aug 13 16:47:01 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko#Setting_up_an_OpenMoko_SDK Aug 13 16:47:25 says I need "a fixed revision from OpenEmbedded", but doesn't have a URL for where to get it Aug 13 16:47:27 Writchie: I mean the part about R=~200k means dumb charger, or shorted D+/D- means dumb charger. Those don't seem to work so well in the neo Aug 13 16:47:49 KeyserSoze: I recommend the MokoMakefile Aug 13 16:48:04 sagacis: these are recent additions to USB Aug 13 16:48:13 KeyserSoze: you can use the MokoMakefile, or if you know the revision number checkout it out Aug 13 16:48:33 there is another standard CEA-936- Aug 13 16:48:43 Writchie: But the neo is an old device? Aug 13 16:49:03 *blink* Aug 13 16:49:23 is "f499733e6db527846e1a48cf70f9862d6b3798ae" a revision number? Aug 13 16:49:45 looks like a sha1 checksum to me Aug 13 16:49:48 the NEO design is probably a year old Aug 13 16:51:05 in git, revision numbers are SHA1s Aug 13 16:51:33 thanks guys Aug 13 16:51:34 KeyserSoze: install monotone or use a static version (monotone.ca), grab a OE database from www.openembedded.org/~snapshots, and do a checkout Aug 13 16:51:55 NEO I imagine will evolve to USB OTG and standard USB charger support by GT03 Aug 13 16:52:18 one can always imagine Aug 13 16:52:28 and hope Aug 13 16:52:52 is USB OTG popular yet? Aug 13 16:52:56 i havent seen it anywhere Aug 13 16:53:09 its already in several phones Aug 13 16:53:19 but its an ideal candidate for open source Aug 13 16:53:20 doesn't seem an unlikely direction, though I'd not guess when it gets there Aug 13 16:53:57 with USB OTG you could just plug in any usb kb forex Aug 13 16:54:30 its a moving target Aug 13 16:54:44 GTAxx will have wireless USB Aug 13 16:55:30 and Bluetooth 3.0 Aug 13 16:56:13 mmmm. ultrawideband. Aug 13 16:56:29 Don't forget wi-max. Everyone loves wi-max Aug 13 16:56:41 except me Aug 13 16:56:49 might as well throw in zigbee Aug 13 16:57:12 or a software radio transciever Aug 13 16:57:49 and an fpga Aug 13 16:58:20 ha Aug 13 16:58:34 right now, the hardware is a year ahead of the software Aug 13 17:00:45 SpeedEvil: Have you seen any wi-fi actually work with less than 500mw Aug 13 17:10:22 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing#20070813_with_kernel_2.6.21.5-r2 Aug 13 17:10:26 best image so far Aug 13 17:10:27 :) Aug 13 17:10:50 .2? Aug 13 17:11:34 yep Aug 13 17:14:34 actually, after some testing... the smooth scrolling list sux in usability Aug 13 17:15:08 I start an unwanted application more often than expected Aug 13 17:15:14 Yup. Aug 13 17:15:33 I just made my moko to go vertical upon startup and run mi a while true; xterm; done Aug 13 17:15:43 Since the gui isn't usable, I'll just script it. Aug 13 17:15:45 For now. Aug 13 17:15:55 Though I'll have to start building my own images, to get iptables with nat. Aug 13 17:16:03 we control the horizontal and the vertical... Aug 13 17:16:54 The keyboard thingie could use a little love. And up/down/sides keys :) Aug 13 17:17:00 I wonder if anyone else has seen this phenomenon: /etc/init.d/gsmd start fails to start the gsm-daemon, but running gsmd -p /dev/ttySAC0 -s 115200 -F on the command line works... Aug 13 17:17:28 it's the same command as the init.d file runs... Aug 13 17:17:55 What is the chance of getting an actual transparent window? Aug 13 17:18:46 That's computationally moderately expensive. Aug 13 17:19:29 taking an image of the background as a new window pops up, and using that as a blended background isn't in principle a problem. Aug 13 17:19:36 Nah. Aug 13 17:19:39 I mean live transparency. Aug 13 17:19:45 A fullscreen semitransparent keyboard. Aug 13 17:19:50 that's an important question, actually.. is it planned that we get some more hw graphincs acceleration in the future release? Aug 13 17:19:51 Live transparency is moderately expensive. Aug 13 17:19:56 yes. Aug 13 17:19:57 on GTA2 it might be possible since there is a 3d accelerator. Aug 13 17:19:58 s/future release/future releases/ Aug 13 17:19:58 ruoso meant: that's an important question, actually.. is it planned that we get some more hw graphincs acceleration in the future releases? Aug 13 17:20:05 there is currently _no_ accelleration. Aug 13 17:20:12 It's solely a dumb framebuffer. Aug 13 17:20:18 SpeedEvil, wow... Aug 13 17:20:27 now I understand why it's so slow Aug 13 17:20:27 :) Aug 13 17:20:34 transparency could benefit from arm specific blts Aug 13 17:20:50 Well - yes, you'd need to optimise the code. Aug 13 17:20:52 Writchie, that's job for an external chip Aug 13 17:20:58 but there is no hardware stuff to accel it. Aug 13 17:21:01 SpeedEvil, but it's doubtfull anybody's gonna do transparcency currently? :) Aug 13 17:21:04 GT01 will never have such a chip Aug 13 17:21:08 Pretty much. Aug 13 17:21:17 Crap. Aug 13 17:21:21 that's bad Aug 13 17:21:37 With a fullscreen semitranspartent keyboard I could actually type with a reasonable speed. Aug 13 17:21:46 mmazur, not only a keyboard Aug 13 17:21:50 but eventually dasher Aug 13 17:21:58 or other alternative input methods Aug 13 17:22:02 that need full size Aug 13 17:22:06 fullscreen stroke Aug 13 17:22:10 xstroke Aug 13 17:22:16 blah, is gsmd failing to build for anyone else right now? Aug 13 17:22:24 personally, I've been planning some sort of input system with the accelerometers Aug 13 17:22:26 (om2007.2) Aug 13 17:22:42 i'm rebuilding everything again: make update && make openmoko-image ... maybe it will go Aug 13 17:22:59 Jiten, I want a pad emulator with accelometers. I'd play mortal kombat with it. Aug 13 17:23:00 if not, gsmd is owned by OM? so i need to file a bug in the OM bugzilla? Aug 13 17:23:03 Full live kombo! Aug 13 17:23:09 All I'm concerned is what will or will not be in gta02, since I unfortunately don't have a gta01 Aug 13 17:23:28 mmazur: pad? Aug 13 17:23:41 gamepad Aug 13 17:23:51 Flat joystick. Aug 13 17:24:03 daMaestro: got the "NOT IMPLEMENTED" error? that should be fixed since a few hours ago. Aug 13 17:24:09 pH5, yes Aug 13 17:24:24 ok.. i just updated about 2 hours ago; hopefully it will build Aug 13 17:24:34 gsmd was the only thing that didn't build correctly Aug 13 17:24:42 we accidentally used a feature of bitbake 1.8.8 in the openembedded metadata Aug 13 17:24:46 * ruoso was just wondering... it would be very much important to have Xorg composite working for GTA02 Aug 13 17:25:02 oh, and the new gtk+ still fails to build without the patch Aug 13 17:25:04 mmazur: I think it should be easily possible for accelerometers to detect at least 12 different motions. 3 primary axes x2 directions and rotations around these axes x2 directions Aug 13 17:25:04 does bitbake-HEAD or 1.8.8 work now then? Aug 13 17:25:10 that *really* should be merged Aug 13 17:25:12 or are we still to use 1.8.6? Aug 13 17:25:36 ruoso, i agree... we need the cube ;-) Aug 13 17:25:39 that is, if the accelerometers actually give me as much information as I'm hopeing they will Aug 13 17:25:47 daMaestro, heh Aug 13 17:26:02 * mjr thinks composite's necessity is overblown by many Aug 13 17:26:03 compiz is lightweight enough, the problem is the hardware accel Aug 13 17:26:04 daMaestro, more importantly, we need to provide real cool UIs Aug 13 17:26:15 not only for the cube Aug 13 17:26:21 but for scrolling app window Aug 13 17:26:34 making translucent windwos Aug 13 17:26:50 well.. the cube, IMHO, will quadruple the amount of usable application space Aug 13 17:27:00 daMaestro, maybe Aug 13 17:27:07 though, it remains to be seen if gta02 will be able to handle that much running at once Aug 13 17:27:09 but we would need more buttons to make that effective Aug 13 17:27:15 jonib1: that's a question for RP. 1.8.8 will be made mandatory at some point, but not yet. Aug 13 17:27:19 * pH5 always uses HEAD Aug 13 17:27:21 * ruoso miss some buttons in Neo1973 actually Aug 13 17:27:28 not really... why not just map the cube "spin" to the aux? Aug 13 17:27:32 (sound volume for instance) Aug 13 17:27:45 is there a reason the dfu-util calls here include -R http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko#Actually_flashing_things_into_the_device Aug 13 17:27:45 we also need to have a screen locker for the dialer Aug 13 17:27:54 daMaestro, we do Aug 13 17:28:04 later versions have a screen lock option Aug 13 17:28:07 in the power button Aug 13 17:28:14 well.. i mean for during a call Aug 13 17:28:22 ah... yeah Aug 13 17:28:26 I noticed that already Aug 13 17:28:26 and sadly i have to bring an iphone widget into context Aug 13 17:28:31 the "slider" Aug 13 17:28:46 most likely it is "patented" or some lame shit, but something similar would be good Aug 13 17:28:58 * ruoso don't know what is "the slider" Aug 13 17:28:58 that's already done Aug 13 17:28:58 like having to draw a circle to "unlock" the screen while in a call Aug 13 17:29:03 defer_, good to hear Aug 13 17:29:04 well not for the moko, Aug 13 17:29:08 but its gtk+cairo Aug 13 17:29:12 should be easy enough to port Aug 13 17:29:17 ok, good to hear Aug 13 17:29:36 http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~macslow/bling-it-up/ Aug 13 17:29:37 code here Aug 13 17:29:37 but really, i'll try to feed everyone here what i hear on the "street" about issues with mainstream cellular phones Aug 13 17:29:54 * ruoso worried on "how can we test UI usability without graphics acceleration that will be available in GTA02" Aug 13 17:30:01 one major issue with touchscreen phones has been the face touching the screen and screwing up the call, while in-call Aug 13 17:30:26 ruoso, i would expect the qemu device to provide such functions Aug 13 17:30:32 There are even arguments for actually shutting off the CPU in call. Aug 13 17:31:08 SpeedEvil, very good to hear Aug 13 17:31:17 the battery consumption is still pretty bad ;-) Aug 13 17:31:37 SpeedEvil, glad to see you (and others) are taking power optimization seriously Aug 13 17:31:50 i'm going to work on applications that eat battery d:-) Aug 13 17:32:23 macslow is awesome =) Aug 13 17:32:48 or should is say leet Aug 13 17:32:52 *i Aug 13 17:37:25 An important power optimisation is for every application to use as little CPU as possible. Aug 13 17:37:36 Which isn't really a kernel problem. Aug 13 17:37:46 don't forget about wakeup events. Aug 13 17:37:53 True. Aug 13 17:37:55 yes, eliminate polling Aug 13 17:38:17 SpeedEvil: and shutting down devices that aren't in use. that *is* a kernel problem Aug 13 17:39:23 well kernel and userspace, which is why its sucks that the kernal has no interface for device power states Aug 13 17:39:25 I wouldn't call that a kernel problem, the kernel problem should provide the support - a user space deamon should manage power at the device Aug 13 17:39:43 Writchie: heh, think i prempted you there Aug 13 17:39:55 * robtaylor works on OHM, btw Aug 13 17:40:12 are we going to see a tickless kernel? Aug 13 17:40:32 daMaestro: already in 22, i think Aug 13 17:40:48 but openmoko uses 21 right? Aug 13 17:41:13 there could be scheduler interaction with power states but we are no where near that level IMHO Aug 13 17:41:19 yes, ~22 is tickeless (for x86) Aug 13 17:41:23 grr... tickless* Aug 13 17:41:39 however, is arm tickless? i know x86_64 has not yet moved over Aug 13 17:41:47 Writchie: yeah, that's a long way off Aug 13 17:42:02 Writchie: thats even harder to define the kernel api for Aug 13 17:42:11 * robtaylor has fear Aug 13 17:42:39 i'll be happy for now just to see suspend and resume work Aug 13 17:42:59 daMaestro: I thought gliexner was primarily working on arm, so I'd guess so Aug 13 17:44:12 Writchie: well, actually thats much less of a concern when you have full control of the hardware Aug 13 17:44:35 Writchie: e.g the N800 doesnt suspend, but in low-power mode its jsut about the same thing Aug 13 17:45:22 what's the proc in the N800? Aug 13 17:46:40 Writchie: proc? Aug 13 17:46:53 processor Aug 13 17:47:00 yeah Aug 13 17:47:02 Writchie: OMAP2410 Aug 13 17:47:23 that has much better PM than the 2410 Aug 13 17:47:31 anyone here familiar with qemu? i need help.. Aug 13 17:47:31 zoltan: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Aug 13 17:47:35 hi, how do I build openmoko for x86? Aug 13 17:47:36 gggggig: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Aug 13 17:47:39 Writchie: probably, yeah Aug 13 17:48:40 Writchie: they're all pretty messy to get right :/ Aug 13 17:48:54 for sure Aug 13 17:50:29 Writchie: do i remeber correctly that 2410's a bit broken if you want to stop the core and leave memory refreshing? Aug 13 17:50:48 gggggig: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page#Hands-on_Guides Aug 13 17:51:19 i'm not sure. Aug 13 17:51:23 I guess I won't reply to zoltan.... Aug 13 17:51:30 that's one of the things we need to do here. Aug 13 17:51:47 shut down the SDRAM and run in 12mhz slow mode out of onboard SRAM Aug 13 17:52:39 ah, that was it, something broken in going slow->stop Aug 13 17:52:58 i'll be very surprised to see stop actually work Aug 13 17:53:43 but 12 mhz power management loop with SDRAM off shouldn't be too bad Aug 13 17:54:35 Writchie: yeah, Nils was telling me about his experience with trying to get that to work Aug 13 17:54:43 yeah, better than nothing :) Aug 13 18:01:05 ugh-my phone still isnt charging the batteries Aug 13 18:01:13 why not? Aug 13 18:01:26 ciphercast take another computer Aug 13 18:01:36 ciphercast are you on windows? Aug 13 18:01:38 I'm not sure Aug 13 18:01:47 that's a big negative Aug 13 18:02:24 sagacis: which way is better? I'd like to have openmoko in a window like xnest Aug 13 18:02:39 I've plugged it into my desktop, my powered hub, still no luck; popped the batt out and reinserted to charge Aug 13 18:02:47 gggggig: qemu is more like the real thing... Failing that, use the Xephyr/Xoo method Aug 13 18:03:11 ciphercast222: Check your usb cable? Aug 13 18:03:26 the batteries are hovering around 2.7v Aug 13 18:03:35 Writchie: apm -s seems to suspend ok/ Aug 13 18:03:40 sagacis: usb cable is confirmed ok Aug 13 18:03:48 ciphercast222: It may take a few hours to get back up to the level needed to fast charge Aug 13 18:03:55 sagacis: I tried qemu with acceleration but is still too slow, do I have to use qemu also with Xoo? Aug 13 18:03:57 have you ever run it? Aug 13 18:04:19 gggggig: No. Xoo runs on Xephyr (an Xserver) Aug 13 18:04:24 sagacis: (I left it plugged in overnight...) Aug 13 18:04:30 Shoragan: ping Aug 13 18:04:35 ciphercast222: That should work Aug 13 18:04:56 sagacis: ok tnx Aug 13 18:05:13 gggggig: Does the device run when plugged into the pc? Aug 13 18:05:18 can you access the memory card using qemu? Aug 13 18:05:25 defer_: Simulated Aug 13 18:05:37 well, obviously, does it work? Aug 13 18:05:43 I am thinking there is some charging problems with the uboot I flashed last week Aug 13 18:07:54 ciphercast222: sounds like it. Aug 13 18:08:08 defer_: Sorry, don't know. I don't think I tried. I think it should work, tho Aug 13 18:09:27 hi all Aug 13 18:10:27 indro: Hi Aug 13 18:10:34 anyone know when neo is coming with wlan? Aug 13 18:10:36 next revision Aug 13 18:10:44 sagacis: any ideas on where to go from here? Aug 13 18:10:51 hi sagacis Aug 13 18:11:11 phase 2 Aug 13 18:11:28 should I wire up the debug board and flash another uboot revision? Aug 13 18:12:09 sagacis: ok, i'll play with it. Aug 13 18:12:10 ciphercast222: I'm not sure I can help. I don't even have a debug board. I've been using the uboot that came with the phone Aug 13 18:12:19 what's the command for the calibration thingie? Aug 13 18:12:37 ok, appreciate the help Aug 13 18:12:40 indro: ~6 months Aug 13 18:12:59 ScaredyCat: Wow, factory reset removed that magic number error, booting right now :D Aug 13 18:13:08 defer_: ts_calibarte Aug 13 18:13:23 s/ts_calibarte/ts_calibrate/ Aug 13 18:13:23 sagacis meant: defer_: ts_calibrate Aug 13 18:13:35 sagacis: ty Aug 13 18:14:39 ScaredyCat: Hint: JadeFalcon is the ScummVM guy Aug 13 18:17:02 mickeyl I'm just starting to write the theme selection document - german is okay, right? - I'd also go through it with Ruedi before i'll send it out - so maybe the end of the week is okay? Aug 13 18:17:09 Kensan: thanks, hoped not so long because I need a new phone... Aug 13 18:17:39 indro: it's a somewhat realistic guess IMHO might be sooner, might be later... Aug 13 18:17:52 kristian-m: ok Aug 13 18:18:56 great :-) Aug 13 18:19:07 compiling the 2007.2 now. if it works i hopefully can test the new .bb for scummvm. I have one for 2007 but there is no clean way to contribute it Aug 13 18:29:17 * ScaredyCat slaps JadeFalcon Aug 13 18:29:24 CM: good good Aug 13 18:30:26 ScaredyCat: Trying to get usbnet to work, still not there Aug 13 18:30:43 But usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:10.3-1, CDC Ethernet Device, 72:a9:e7:bf:4f:04 in dmesg seems promising :) Aug 13 18:31:38 JadeFalcon: contribute it to OE and it will be automatically available for OpenMoko, but I assumed there was one for scummvm already Aug 13 18:31:48 Now just ifconfig usb0 192.168.1.200 Aug 13 18:31:56 and ssh 192.168.0.202 Aug 13 18:32:00 and hit enter Aug 13 18:32:03 Yay, now I can compile once again Aug 13 18:32:03 On the neo ? Aug 13 18:32:07 no. Aug 13 18:32:09 On the host Aug 13 18:32:19 the network is configured on the neo already Aug 13 18:32:23 SpeedEvil: ssh root@192.168.0.202? Aug 13 18:32:37 Nice, works Aug 13 18:32:46 I just found the usb networking page in the wiki Aug 13 18:33:11 oh - yes. Aug 13 18:33:13 Is it a root password on it? Aug 13 18:33:15 forgo the user Aug 13 18:33:16 no. Aug 13 18:34:11 I get Password: Aug 13 18:34:20 CM: press Aug 13 18:34:32 I do, but then I get Password: again Aug 13 18:34:35 CM, did you do "ssh root@192.168.0.202" ? Aug 13 18:34:44 Yes Aug 13 18:34:44 You need to include the user (root@) Aug 13 18:34:48 Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). Aug 13 18:34:59 cool Aug 13 18:35:01 :( Aug 13 18:35:23 CM: Have you signed in before using SSH? Aug 13 18:35:32 No, I'm just reading that now.. Aug 13 18:35:52 do you have an entry in /home//.ssh? Aug 13 18:36:51 Ah, did that now Aug 13 18:36:55 Works :D Aug 13 18:36:55 anyone using the qemu vmware Ubuntu openmoko image? Aug 13 18:36:57 Thanks Aug 13 18:37:00 Cool! congrats Aug 13 18:37:07 I should follow the wiki before saying anything.. ;-) Aug 13 18:37:14 I cannot seem to get the mouse to click the crosshairs Aug 13 18:37:15 trust in the wiki Aug 13 18:37:16 hmm mailing list still down i guess :) Aug 13 18:37:16 :( Aug 13 18:37:35 hp_: ml is working (or it was, anyway) Aug 13 18:39:14 * ScaredyCat reappears Aug 13 18:41:50 CM: Aug 13 18:41:57 status Aug 13 18:42:03 I'm here, ssh:ed into the neo Aug 13 18:42:11 excellent Aug 13 18:42:46 did you backup your mtdblocks this time ? Aug 13 18:42:59 Before doing what? Aug 13 18:43:05 And no, clearly not.. :-/ Aug 13 18:43:31 before buggering it up ;) Aug 13 18:43:55 backup your mtdblock1 Aug 13 18:44:12 I'm searching now how to do that Aug 13 18:44:26 How can you do that without stopping the neo being able to access NAND? Aug 13 18:44:40 CM: dd if=/dev/mtdblock1 of=mtdblock1.bin Aug 13 18:44:45 dd if=/dev/mtdblock1 of=/media/card/mtdblock1image Aug 13 18:44:56 thanks Aug 13 18:44:57 great minds.... Aug 13 18:45:25 or ssh root@phone cat /dev/mtdblock1 >mtdblock1 Aug 13 18:46:07 you get i/o errors after doing it, so reboot by pulling the battery Aug 13 18:46:08 * CM has 32+0 records in and out Aug 13 18:46:14 that's riht Aug 13 18:46:17 ssh root@phone "dd if=/dev/mtdblock1" > backup.bin Aug 13 18:46:17 right Aug 13 18:46:21 * sagacis too Aug 13 18:47:22 ScaredyCat: Should I backup any of the others? Aug 13 18:47:48 always a good idea.. Aug 13 18:47:54 * * OM Bug 703 has been created by mickey(AT)vanille-media.de Aug 13 18:47:55 * * RTC readings corrupt in userland Aug 13 18:47:56 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=703 Aug 13 18:47:58 Heh: root@fic-gta01:~$ date Aug 13 18:47:58 -sh: date: Input/output error Aug 13 18:48:11 [2007-08-13 19:45:37] you get i/o errors after doing it, so reboot by pulling the battery Aug 13 18:49:09 ok Aug 13 18:49:11 Yikes.. Aug 13 18:49:25 ok Aug 13 18:49:32 what? Yikes? Aug 13 18:49:52 Dont sound good to pull out the battery Aug 13 18:49:54 I think i'll start a gui wrapping libpurple for IM in the neo once I get network going Aug 13 18:49:56 * CM does it Aug 13 18:50:03 unplug usb first Aug 13 18:50:14 defer_: Take a look at the latest empathy Aug 13 18:50:17 otherwise it makes 'funny noises' Aug 13 18:50:42 CM: I guess I will too Aug 13 18:50:57 telepathy seems a nice thing to hav Aug 13 18:50:58 e Aug 13 18:51:09 defer_: The latest version wraps libpurple Aug 13 18:51:49 * ScaredyCat twiddles fingers while CM boots Aug 13 18:51:57 ScaredyCat: Got the same error booting, but it starts with factory reset Aug 13 18:52:03 yes.. Aug 13 18:52:06 CM: latest release or git/svn version? Aug 13 18:52:06 * CM waits for the progressbar Aug 13 18:52:07 it will Aug 13 18:52:16 you haen't done anything yet Aug 13 18:52:21 defer_: I read some blogpost about it today. 0.11 or something Aug 13 18:52:43 defer_: http://blogs.gnome.org/xclaesse/2007/08/12/empathy-011/ Aug 13 18:52:48 Kensan: I hope sooner. ;) Aug 13 18:53:03 "We now have telepathy-haze which is a ConnectionManager based on top of pidgin’s libpurple" Aug 13 18:53:06 awesome Aug 13 18:53:37 defer_: Made me happy too :D Aug 13 18:53:37 booted yet CM Aug 13 18:53:40 eh? Aug 13 18:53:41 eh? Aug 13 18:53:42 eh? Aug 13 18:53:43 eh? Aug 13 18:53:54 * ScaredyCat sings Aug 13 18:54:01 ScaredyCat: I'm back in Aug 13 18:54:05 ok... Aug 13 18:54:11 wget http://buildhost.automated.it/mtdblock_1_u-boot-env.bin Aug 13 18:54:17 I looked at empathy but it was missing documentation and the API wasn't particularly easy to follow Aug 13 18:54:23 now with a mtdblock1.bin file in /home/root Aug 13 18:54:37 get that file ^^^ Aug 13 18:54:41 not yours Aug 13 18:54:45 :) Aug 13 18:55:26 Have it on the phone, it's slightly smaller than mine Aug 13 18:56:30 ScaredyCat: dd if=new_mtdblock1 of=/dev/mtdblock1 is next I assume Aug 13 18:56:30 dd if=mtdblock_1_u-boot-env.bin of=/dev/mtdblock1 Aug 13 18:56:38 * CM holds thumbs Aug 13 18:56:38 yes Aug 13 18:56:52 'holds thumbs'? Aug 13 18:57:02 is that like crossing fingers Aug 13 18:57:04 ? Aug 13 18:57:12 Yes, but the stupid swede version ;) Aug 13 18:57:32 Hmm 28+0 records in Aug 13 18:57:35 hhmm Aug 13 18:57:39 should be 32 Aug 13 18:57:42 1 sec Aug 13 18:58:10 The file i wget:et was that size.. 14336 bytes Aug 13 18:58:29 Are you sure it's the right uboot env? Aug 13 18:59:18 wait Aug 13 18:59:55 * CM waits patiently :) Aug 13 19:00:02 just redoing it... to be sure Aug 13 19:00:05 rebooting neo Aug 13 19:00:17 Thanks, take your time Aug 13 19:01:52 wget http://buildhost.automated.it/mtdblock1_b.bin Aug 13 19:02:43 hey, is there any reason why I wouldn't be able to copy a MokoMakefile dev environment from one machine to another? Aug 13 19:03:25 ScaredyCat: Damn.. Aug 13 19:03:32 ? Aug 13 19:03:48 I can not scp it to the phone Aug 13 19:03:58 why? Aug 13 19:04:02 I get the input output error Aug 13 19:04:04 :-/ Aug 13 19:04:20 ok, so reboot Aug 13 19:04:34 Will do, thanks for your help and patience Aug 13 19:04:41 just do the aux+power and factory reset Aug 13 19:05:02 Hi, has anyone yet compiled Perl for the Neo? Aug 13 19:05:43 iit'd be large alech Aug 13 19:05:50 I'm able to bring up the GSM connection with libgsmd-tool. How do I have the Neo make a DHCP request? Aug 13 19:05:58 alech bitbake perl? Aug 13 19:06:07 * CM waits for X to start on the Neo Aug 13 19:06:10 by the way openmokomakefile builds perl Aug 13 19:06:21 because of dependcies Aug 13 19:06:22 wogline: that sounds good ;-) Aug 13 19:06:33 dont know Aug 13 19:06:40 cpu is not so fast Aug 13 19:06:53 so? Perl is not _that_ slow Aug 13 19:06:56 so not every scripting language make sense Aug 13 19:07:16 I don't want _every_ scripting language, I want Perl :) Aug 13 19:07:21 * ScaredyCat thinks CM has the slowest neo ever Aug 13 19:07:28 perl runs just fine on a 233MHz arm Aug 13 19:08:16 I want Ruby Aug 13 19:08:23 yay for iax clients Aug 13 19:08:26 hows everyone doing? Aug 13 19:08:29 ScaredyCat: I'm in and have copied the file over Aug 13 19:08:51 dd'd ? Aug 13 19:09:22 ScaredyCat: Yes Aug 13 19:09:28 And this time it's 32+0 Aug 13 19:09:31 :) Aug 13 19:09:36 rebeewt Aug 13 19:09:58 hmm credit card charged :) Aug 13 19:10:24 * ScaredyCat waits patiently for CM Aug 13 19:10:32 don;t use the factry reset this time Aug 13 19:10:46 ScaredyCat: It rebooted and I got the splashcreen Aug 13 19:10:50 But nothing is happening Aug 13 19:10:53 * ScaredyCat dances Aug 13 19:10:54 Should I just wait? Aug 13 19:11:02 Is it that slow to boot? Aug 13 19:11:09 yes.. give it a few seconds.. Aug 13 19:11:16 did you do aux+power Aug 13 19:11:45 Yes Aug 13 19:11:53 is the Neo screen multitouch? Aug 13 19:11:54 And now I get the menu Aug 13 19:11:55 THanks Aug 13 19:11:57 :D Aug 13 19:12:00 :) Aug 13 19:12:06 gggggig: no Aug 13 19:12:15 ScaredyCat: whats up Aug 13 19:12:26 u iz naw a l33t h4x0r CM Aug 13 19:12:27 ScaredyCat: And now "Set console to usb"? Aug 13 19:12:35 yeah... Aug 13 19:12:47 see if you can access the tty from minicom or cu Aug 13 19:12:50 ScaredyCat: Hehe.. Thanks.. I'll look at your bricked wiki-page if can make it any clearer Aug 13 19:12:59 k... Aug 13 19:13:15 always good to hav another brickee's notes Aug 13 19:13:48 did you see the tty in dmesg? Aug 13 19:14:06 Yes Aug 13 19:14:11 And I have minicom connected Aug 13 19:14:16 Thanks a bunch! :D Aug 13 19:14:21 w00h00! Aug 13 19:14:34 zecke: (about scummvm) yes, ill contribute it to OE, but i need 2007.2 to test it. [Running task 884 of 3522] :-) Aug 13 19:14:38 Ok, time to try nand erase rootfs Aug 13 19:14:51 yeah... Aug 13 19:14:59 and kernel... Aug 13 19:15:15 then drop back to om2007.1 and pretend it never happened Aug 13 19:15:28 Ok Aug 13 19:15:47 what is a "Accelerometer"? Do opengl work on Neo? Aug 13 19:15:51 Hmm.. But how do I get to type into the prompt with minicom Aug 13 19:16:10 ? Aug 13 19:16:16 Pff.. Aug 13 19:16:22 I was too slow, the neo powered off Aug 13 19:16:22 hit keys on your keyboar Aug 13 19:16:25 d Aug 13 19:16:26 Oh well.. Aug 13 19:17:06 yeah, i think if you type help while thinking it keeps it alive ;) Aug 13 19:17:08 so Aug 13 19:17:23 if I get CME ERROR 13 and 15, does that mean, the Neo does not like my SIM? Aug 13 19:17:59 ScaredyCat: Id the other command "nand erase kernel" or? Aug 13 19:18:21 nand erase kernel and nand erase footfs Aug 13 19:18:23 hhf423: seems like it, those are SIM FAILURE and SIM WRONG Aug 13 19:18:24 starting mrxvt on the phone to pipe via X to my desktop is nice, but doing a phone call would be nicer Aug 13 19:18:44 pH5: so I am screwed Aug 13 19:18:53 cm Aug 13 19:18:57 errm Aug 13 19:19:08 ScaredyCat: Yes? Aug 13 19:19:08 it might be too late... but.. Aug 13 19:19:23 But I shouldn't have done that? :-/ Aug 13 19:19:23 you did check that dfu worked, right Aug 13 19:19:28 before erasing Aug 13 19:19:37 How Aug 13 19:19:50 Yes Aug 13 19:19:51 see if you can use the dfu util Aug 13 19:20:00 It shows up with dfu-util -l Aug 13 19:20:06 perfect Aug 13 19:20:11 all is well Aug 13 19:20:30 Can I be on the modem at the same time as I do the dfu updates? Aug 13 19:20:38 so erase kernel + rootfs then reflash Aug 13 19:20:44 probably not a good idea Aug 13 19:20:48 just in case Aug 13 19:21:32 ScaredyCat: Thanks a lot Aug 13 19:21:37 * ScaredyCat dances the lizard dance..... the dance of the many lizards.... Aug 13 19:21:46 no probs CM .... Aug 13 19:21:50 * CM looks for some 2007.1 Aug 13 19:21:55 sorry I wasn;t on the ball sooner Aug 13 19:22:24 I have some Aug 13 19:22:39 That works? Aug 13 19:22:42 ;) Aug 13 19:22:47 yes... Aug 13 19:22:50 will the panel-mainmenu get ported to 2007.2? Aug 13 19:23:00 http://buildhost.automated.it/ Aug 13 19:23:07 I'm already there Aug 13 19:23:51 ScaredyCat: The latest ones are in that dir directly or? Aug 13 19:24:05 yes Aug 13 19:24:22 10 aug irrc Aug 13 19:24:24 iirc Aug 13 19:24:29 yes Aug 13 19:25:07 kristian-m: Probably not. .2 has a new menuing system Aug 13 19:25:13 Nice speed, getting 2.2 down :-) Aug 13 19:25:21 :) Aug 13 19:25:25 kristian-m: mainmenu is not finger-friendly Aug 13 19:26:20 CM: There have been no significant changes to .1 since the 10th, so that' s basically a current version Aug 13 19:27:46 sagacis: Ok, thanks. I'm flashing the rootfs now :) Aug 13 19:28:08 why doesn't the neo charge when i plug it into a windows computer? Aug 13 19:28:11 Somone got a gllin binary for me? Come on, my device has a GPS but I'm not allowed to use it? Please help me out at openmoko@alech.de ... Aug 13 19:28:13 how does one restart the top bar/menu on the Neo if it has died? what to start when ssh'ed in? Aug 13 19:28:25 orzo, it is a self defense mech Aug 13 19:28:27 lol Aug 13 19:28:35 heh Aug 13 19:28:39 orzo: Is it a laptop? Aug 13 19:29:06 i forget the name of that ap, hhf423, the bottom bar is called something footer so the top is probably something header Aug 13 19:29:11 CM, no, desktop Aug 13 19:29:16 two different desktops actually Aug 13 19:29:20 none of them charge the neo Aug 13 19:29:43 one is XP and the other Vista Aug 13 19:29:49 Hmm. Turning off the backlight is easy. But how to prevent neo from seeing the touchscreen? Aug 13 19:29:57 hide it Aug 13 19:30:02 orzo: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_and_Windows Aug 13 19:30:16 ScaredyCat, I'd have to take it out. Aug 13 19:30:33 Ah, crap, was supposed to by protective transparent thingie for screen. Aug 13 19:30:55 Just grab the pointer Aug 13 19:31:29 :) Aug 13 19:31:30 orzo: hmm, there is something called head Aug 13 19:31:42 Thanks CM, but really it shouldnt need that just to charge Aug 13 19:31:47 But seriously. How to mask the damn thing and, say, have it only respond to 5 seconds of aux. Aug 13 19:31:57 no Aug 13 19:32:02 mmazur: it's called suspend Aug 13 19:32:03 head is a unix ap that displays the top of a file Aug 13 19:32:06 heh Aug 13 19:32:11 yeah - suspend may work. Aug 13 19:32:12 mickeyl! :-) Aug 13 19:32:18 apm -s Aug 13 19:32:18 hi Elrond Aug 13 19:32:18 CM: the phone will charge at 100mAh always if there is USB power Aug 13 19:32:26 100mA Aug 13 19:32:29 and it's not 100mA Aug 13 19:32:45 and not if the battery is very low voltage, missing, or overtemp. Aug 13 19:32:59 CM: but it will only charge at 500mA if it gets told so via USB Aug 13 19:33:04 And that's '100mA' (more like 40mA) once you subtract the current from anything running. Aug 13 19:33:31 mickeyl, I get the feeling that suspending and listening to mp3s are mutually exclusive :) Aug 13 19:33:33 mickeyl - You closed a few bugs with only the comment of "fixed in 2007.2", could you please next time give the exact commit, that fixed it, if possible? Aug 13 19:33:42 mmazur: the trivial way. Aug 13 19:33:44 chvt 4 Aug 13 19:34:00 i did apm --suspend and when i woke it with the aux button, it made a bunch of noise on the screen and then blanked out Aug 13 19:34:08 'works for me' Aug 13 19:34:36 can the status of the battery be queried? Aug 13 19:34:41 * mmazur wants to (a) turn off the backlight (I know how), (b) turn off touchscreen (I don't know how), (c) set the mixer to route sound to headphones only (I know how) and voila. Aug 13 19:34:41 Elrond: in theory, i would do this all the time. in practice, most bugs that i closed can't be pinpointed to a certain revision, they rather are fixed because of the inherently different design of OM 2007.2 and/or changing to org.openembedded.dev Aug 13 19:34:50 hhf423, apm command i guess Aug 13 19:34:51 cat `find / -name battvolt` Aug 13 19:35:00 SpeedEvil, oh god :) Aug 13 19:35:05 or apm will give a _rough_ percentage. Aug 13 19:35:24 orzo: ah, yes, thanks Aug 13 19:35:35 wikipedia transistor, and the ebook in the title Aug 13 19:35:36 Does anybody know how I can refresh the openmoko-panel-mainmenu? Aug 13 19:35:37 oops Aug 13 19:35:43 mickeyl - Ahh. I assumed something like that. Aug 13 19:35:43 mmazur, it's in the wiki, but here's what I do... Aug 13 19:35:48 Line : on Aug 13 19:35:48 Battery: -1% (?) Aug 13 19:35:55 apm --monitor :) Aug 13 19:35:56 that maens charging IIRC Aug 13 19:36:14 That sucks. It should report that it's charging and the current state. Aug 13 19:36:22 it doesn't. Aug 13 19:36:28 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973:GTA01:Kernel Aug 13 19:36:29 battvolt gives an idea. Aug 13 19:36:37 Yeah, I've noteiced :) Aug 13 19:36:46 SpeedEvil, it's a feature or a bug? Aug 13 19:36:46 4200 is charged, 2800 is discharged, 5000 is 'run for cover'. Aug 13 19:36:52 i cant get the neo to turn on now Aug 13 19:36:54 :( Aug 13 19:37:00 i just did apm --suspend Aug 13 19:37:02 and now it's dead Aug 13 19:37:08 press the aux button Aug 13 19:37:20 that woke it for about half a second where it displayed a bunch of noise Aug 13 19:37:22 and then blanked out Aug 13 19:37:29 pop the battery out, put it back. Aug 13 19:37:32 Problem solved. Aug 13 19:37:33 i then removed the battery for 10 seconds and reinserted Aug 13 19:37:39 and still, it wont turn on Aug 13 19:37:46 remove it for longer. Aug 13 19:37:50 intone the magic words 'main screen turn on'. Aug 13 19:37:53 sagacis, yeah, that I know. Nothing there on touchscreen however. Aug 13 19:37:54 AFAIK there is some backup battery. Aug 13 19:38:27 It's not that sort of backup. Aug 13 19:38:32 it backsup the RTC only. Aug 13 19:38:39 Ahh. Aug 13 19:38:52 mmazur: you want to turn off input from touchscreen? Aug 13 19:38:53 SpeedEvil: cat `find / -name battvolt` does not work, give "No such file ..." Aug 13 19:39:03 Well, the rtc backup battery is small anyway. Removing the main battery for 24h did reset th rtc. Aug 13 19:39:08 sagacis, yes. Otherwise the thing's quite useless as an mp3 player. Aug 13 19:39:32 great Aug 13 19:39:32 hhf423: on a neo? Aug 13 19:39:35 it's busted Aug 13 19:39:36 hhf423: odd. Aug 13 19:39:39 /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-0/0-0008/battvolt Aug 13 19:39:53 the battery was around 20% Aug 13 19:39:55 mmazur: you could CONFIG_TOUCHSCREEN_S3C2410=m and rmmod the driver Aug 13 19:40:00 maybe its completely dead now and wont turn on Aug 13 19:40:07 20% is really 4% or so. Aug 13 19:40:11 i suppose i cannot even get it to charge in this state Aug 13 19:40:14 pH5, that's... not what I was thinking about :) Aug 13 19:40:18 :D Aug 13 19:40:24 orzo - Ahh. Remove battery for 5min, then reinsert battery, connect neo with usb cabel to your computer for two hours, then turn on. Aug 13 19:41:08 orzo - Oh, and computer must be "on" in those two hours and afterwards. Aug 13 19:41:17 ... and be running linux/freebsd. Aug 13 19:41:53 Don't we have a "revive neo" wiki page? Aug 13 19:41:56 ok Aug 13 19:41:59 * mmazur bought usb charger that says 200mA and 700mA max. Aug 13 19:42:02 SpeedEvil: ah, there is battvolt, says 3890 Aug 13 19:42:02 Let's test. Aug 13 19:42:17 USB charger doesn't work well with current software. Aug 13 19:42:32 I need to find out how to patch the kernel to make charge mode settable. Aug 13 19:42:39 :( Aug 13 19:42:46 Elrond: Mac OS X works also... :') Aug 13 19:43:13 Are you guys running 2007.2 or the previous software? I haven't seen any serious charging problems on 2007.2. Aug 13 19:43:17 mellon - If we ever have the revive-neo-wiki-page, you're invited to add "OS X" there. :) Aug 13 19:43:29 Excellent! Aug 13 19:43:43 how do i read the current battery load level? Aug 13 19:44:03 tuukkah - cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-0/0-0008/battvolt Aug 13 19:44:37 Elrond, and how do i convert that to percentage ?-) Aug 13 19:44:54 CM: are we booting yet? Aug 13 19:45:24 tuukkah - Somehow using apm(8) Aug 13 19:45:31 oh sorry, i didn't read the backlog Aug 13 19:45:34 That's.. odd. Aug 13 19:45:46 tuukkah: SpeedEvil> 4200 is charged, 2800 is discharged, 5000 is 'run for cover'. Aug 13 19:45:52 Why does 0 inside gta01-bl/power turns the backlight *on*? Aug 13 19:46:18 mmazur - and "1" turns it off? Aug 13 19:46:20 ah, well, looks like the Neo does not like my SIM, now what? Aug 13 19:46:21 Elrond, yup. Aug 13 19:47:14 tuukkah: Can't you use apm --monitor? Aug 13 19:47:19 mmazur - Let me retry on my Bv03, then go and search for fitting bug. If you don't find one, file one. Aug 13 19:47:53 Lemme check the sources. Aug 13 19:49:04 I bet we want the 0=on=default Aug 13 19:49:49 mmazur - Okay, I can nicely reproduce that. Strange. Find bug || file bug. Aug 13 19:49:52 tuukkah: for battery voltage<->percent, also note bug #255 Aug 13 19:49:59 sagacis, 0=on? Aug 13 19:50:04 sagacis, that's... weird. Aug 13 19:50:13 * Elrond goes for food. Aug 13 19:50:36 That's just a guess. But, if the subsystem reports 0 by default, the vfile should probably be called "power-off", which would imply 1=off Aug 13 19:51:07 That makes sense. Aug 13 19:51:15 sagacis, read more backlog and saw that we already know that it shows -1% while charging Aug 13 19:51:22 !bug 255 Aug 13 19:51:26 ScaredyCat: Sure is, working like a charm (But not as pretty as 2007.2 ;) Aug 13 19:51:37 !ombug 255 Aug 13 19:51:38 * * Bug 255, Status: ASSIGNED, Created: Unknown Aug 13 19:51:39 * * : battery voltage scale is not correct Aug 13 19:51:40 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=255 Aug 13 19:51:51 I'm creating a nice patch for 255 Aug 13 19:51:59 CM: Bleh! It boots, what more do you want ;) Aug 13 19:52:13 what if it doesn't though D: Aug 13 19:52:16 what if you brick it >_> Aug 13 19:52:20 You can even call on .1, if you have a good sim card Aug 13 19:52:24 Oh - and I've created [[Neo1973 Charging]] Aug 13 19:52:34 anrp: we just unbricked his Aug 13 19:52:41 CM's that is... Aug 13 19:52:52 SpeedEvil: There's a page with some of that information.... I was reading it last night Aug 13 19:53:03 battvolt shows 4218 so perhaps it's done charging Aug 13 19:53:09 SpeedEvil: sounds great. So you and writchie getting somewhere eh? ;) Aug 13 19:53:29 maybe http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery_Charger Aug 13 19:53:31 I have a bad sim card, 3G one Aug 13 19:54:06 oh Aug 13 19:54:08 ~_~ Aug 13 19:54:09 :/ Aug 13 19:54:30 CM: :( Aug 13 19:54:53 Kensan: Not really at the momentn. Aug 13 19:54:54 I bought a new-old-stock 2G one Aug 13 19:54:57 sagacis: possibly Aug 13 19:55:22 SpeedEvil: did you get in touch with jserv2 about Steppingstone code? Aug 13 19:55:32 No. Aug 13 19:55:35 the backlight/*/power uses the linux frame buffer blanking values, where 0 is UNBLANK and 1-4 are different blanking modes (all the same for a tft lcd). Aug 13 19:55:40 Kensen: we found the code in U-boot Aug 13 19:55:42 I'm not interesterd in that at the moment. Aug 13 19:55:52 see include/linux/fb.h, FB_BLANK_*, so it's not an openmoko bug Aug 13 19:56:08 can I edit my u-boot menus while device is running? Aug 13 19:56:12 yes Aug 13 19:56:13 hello Aug 13 19:56:25 noon, you are 3 hours late by my time Aug 13 19:56:44 huh?!? Aug 13 19:56:52 Kensan: the low memory of u-boot contains the code code loaded into Steppingtone RAM at boot up Aug 13 19:56:58 http://www.mauve.plus.com/mtdblock1 IIRC has the image of mtdblock1 - the u-bo0ot environ, with the menu entry Aug 13 19:57:26 sagacis: do you mean me or the other noon that owns this nick with this nickservthing Aug 13 19:57:30 noon, sorry. Just a joke about your name.... Aug 13 19:57:38 Writchie: ah ok. I was a bit irritated when I read the patch that Harald posted to Uboot-ML, since you said the code was not in uboot. Aug 13 19:57:44 pH5, so that should be a 'power_mode' or something. Aug 13 19:58:03 there may be confusion about the steppingtone boot loader in the samsung Aug 13 19:58:08 that code is closed Aug 13 19:58:40 Yay! Build a new 2007.2 Aug 13 19:59:07 I wonder why 'bitbake openmoko-devel-image' compiled neod but did not include it in the image... - I can copy and install the ipk though Aug 13 19:59:20 Kensan: how long ago was the mailing list comment? Aug 13 19:59:31 sagacis: okey. this one is new. I only know stuff like HighNooN Aug 13 19:59:46 http://www.mauve.plus.com/mtd is the uboot-env partition copy, with the fast-charge menu entry Aug 13 20:00:41 noon, in the usa, anyway, "noon" is a word meaning 1200 hours. "high noon" means exactly that, while "noon" is around that time. Aug 13 20:02:14 .. what just happened? Aug 13 20:02:23 oh, nick Aug 13 20:02:27 Odd. The driver not always wants to turn the backlight on. Aug 13 20:03:58 Writchie: it's the patch Harald sent upstream (see http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.boot-loaders.u-boot/26449/) Aug 13 20:05:26 Writchie: when you talk about the samsung bootloader, you mean the routine loading uboot from nand to the steppingstone sram? Aug 13 20:06:53 Kensan: Yes - steppingstone is samsungs name for the built in NAND boot loader and its corresponding 4K ram Aug 13 20:07:02 nobody needs that code - its in ROM Aug 13 20:07:30 but the first 4K of u-boot contains a bootstrap to bring in the rest of u-boot Aug 13 20:07:35 while handling bad blocks Aug 13 20:08:27 however, for 2410 resume from the so-called power-off state needs this too Aug 13 20:08:49 the code in the first 4K of NAND will be brought back in on a wakeup Aug 13 20:08:57 Added that weird 'power' behavior to wiki. Aug 13 20:09:15 where it has to figure out that its waking up and not cold booting. Aug 13 20:15:41 Ok, nice. Aug 13 20:15:51 My usb phone charger... doesn't fit into my neo. Aug 13 20:16:56 the usb jack is a bit snug Aug 13 20:17:09 she virgin Aug 13 20:18:42 sagacis: ;-) Aug 13 20:19:10 sagacis: you could also see it as high NooN as in stoned :-) Aug 13 20:19:26 Writchie: thanks for the explanation. Aug 13 20:26:03 Why is the ssh response so much quicker in 2007.2? Aug 13 20:27:05 8bit key Aug 13 20:27:07 :p Aug 13 20:28:23 Thought so Aug 13 20:28:31 Does anybody have 2007.2 running right now? Aug 13 20:29:42 ok, i got charged for my openmoko.... resulting in my card being "warm carded" and me starving like a college student all weekend.. Aug 13 20:29:56 now that i'm through that mess... GIMME. Aug 13 20:30:45 "warm carded"? Aug 13 20:31:19 is that when the credit card company calls you up and asks you why you are making so many charges? Aug 13 20:31:30 that happened to me the day before my wedding Aug 13 20:32:02 it didn't make me very happy Aug 13 20:34:04 Is there any project that allows you to encrypt calls end to end without being decrypted at the provider? Aug 13 20:34:41 Fwh: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OSvS Aug 13 20:34:55 Fwh: not much so far. Aug 13 20:35:00 juco: except they didnt call me. Aug 13 20:35:15 instead, my card just stopped working, despite me having $1600 in the bank. Aug 13 20:35:18 Fwh: http://chameleon.cypherpunks.ca/23c3/23C3-1495-en-green_phone.m4v Aug 13 20:35:53 wer war das? Aug 13 20:36:30 brilliant, Day of the Tentacle on the Neo with sound. Aug 13 20:36:56 nice Aug 13 20:37:08 Kensan, :) Aug 13 20:37:30 someone got an idea how/if I can check easily whether the AUX button has been pressed (for example somehow via /sys)? Aug 13 20:38:10 Hal should know. Aug 13 20:38:43 ls Aug 13 20:50:45 damnit, my Neo won't do anything. It just went black and because it wouldn't reboot on power, I took out the battery. I forgot that it was still attached via USB, so it made quite a weird sound and the display flashed a bit when taking the battery. I've yanked the USB, but now it won't do nothing :-((( - any ideas? Aug 13 20:52:33 alech: re-insert battery. Aug 13 20:52:42 yes, I did that Aug 13 20:52:53 replug into USB - wait 1 hour - then turn on and see if it will enumerate Aug 13 20:52:55 and hold he poweron button for more than 10 secondes Aug 13 20:53:14 woglinde: done that too, of course Aug 13 20:53:15 it sounds like the battery is below the minimum Aug 13 20:53:26 Fwh: what's your interest in end to end crypto? Are you a dev? Aug 13 20:53:27 alech then let the battery load Aug 13 20:53:28 you don't want to power up the nero until the battery has charged back up a bit Aug 13 20:53:30 Writchie: ok, I'll try again tomorrow morning ... Aug 13 20:53:32 Neo sees usb charger (apm --monitor claims so), but doesn't take power from it. Aug 13 20:53:59 Writchie: neither does the Neo want me to power it up ;-) Aug 13 20:54:10 it won't power up if battery is too low Aug 13 20:54:43 it will draw only 40ma from USB when off so it takes a couple of hours to get the battery up to the point where it can boot up. Aug 13 20:55:08 sagacis how do i know if i have 2007.2 Aug 13 20:55:20 i did a make setup yesterday Aug 13 20:56:32 it took ~6 hours to set it up.. longest build i've ver run Aug 13 20:56:38 Writchie: but I had in on USB all the time before, so why won't it charge then? Aug 13 20:57:25 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Charging alech Aug 13 20:57:41 alech: what was it plugged into? Aug 13 20:58:42 a USB port? On my Mac OS X laptop, with the Zaurus driver to ssh into it Aug 13 20:59:35 if the USB was enumerated and working it should have been charging. Aug 13 21:00:10 I believe I've seen the 500mA message somewhere in dmesg. Well, I'll just stop thinking about it for today and hope it will be fine tomorrow ... Aug 13 21:00:58 you might be able to see in the MAC logs (if they have such things) when the USB quit Aug 13 21:01:33 sure they do - it's yet another Unixoid system ... Aug 13 21:02:46 yep, apparently it just stopped, no indication as to why. Well, more tomorrow, night for now ... Aug 13 21:02:58 neo could have crashed Aug 13 21:03:25 unfortunately, when it ties the attached host will cut it off Aug 13 21:03:55 s/ties/dies/ Aug 13 21:03:55 Writchie meant: unfortunately, when it dies the attached host will cut it off Aug 13 21:04:28 power management requires that the "manager" be alive Aug 13 21:04:55 OK, quick bitbake tutorial here: Where do I run "bitbake -g openmoko-image" to make it work? Or am I using the wrong project name? Aug 13 21:06:51 man bitbake Aug 13 21:07:28 hmm that didn't work Aug 13 21:07:30 Yo Aug 13 21:09:22 I'm reading the wiki now (http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted#setuptheenvironment) Aug 13 21:09:29 .m4v shouldn't have sound.. it should be video only.... hence the v Aug 13 21:11:32 omg.. scrollback laaag Aug 13 21:30:03 Just a user Aug 13 21:30:12 I could dev stuff Aug 13 22:12:41 Kensan: what is that m4v file. I can't view it? Aug 13 22:14:10 SpeedEvil: I see Luca is back posting in the 'scope of hardware openness' thread... Aug 13 22:16:31 :/... Aug 13 22:16:55 SpeedEvil: it'll be one of those undying threads Aug 13 22:17:53 * Stephmw finishes reading the thread Aug 13 22:18:03 SpeedEvil: common sense seems to have mostly prevailed Aug 13 22:19:09 what is this: http://chameleon.cypherpunks.ca/23c3/23C3-1495-en-green_phone.m4v Aug 13 22:20:02 nevermind Aug 13 22:20:10 what do you mean? Aug 13 22:20:20 the server not sending the correct mimetype? Aug 13 22:22:42 I mean I can't view those kind of videos Aug 13 22:24:07 try with mplayer or vlc Aug 13 22:25:24 mplayer: Aug 13 22:25:26 Opening video decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg's libavcodec codec family Aug 13 22:25:26 Selected video codec: [ffh264] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg H.264) Aug 13 22:25:31 works fine Aug 13 22:27:01 Mobile porn! Aug 13 22:27:39 not yet... you'll have to make do with asciipr0n on the neo Aug 13 22:27:39 is anyone here using tui? Aug 13 22:28:16 has anyone determined what the best codec for video on the neo is? Aug 13 22:28:26 (mplayer) Aug 13 22:28:50 I benchmarked yesterday. Aug 13 22:29:09 Admittedly, at the codecs own self-selected bitrates, so it may not be a completely fair test. Aug 13 22:29:12 From memory. Aug 13 22:29:29 Most codecs cluster around 10-11 seconds (for the 22s of test video) Aug 13 22:29:37 * SpeedEvil looks for the timing file Aug 13 22:30:02 Oh - my neo is off. Aug 13 22:30:21 oh noes, you shut the matrix down! :( Aug 13 22:30:28 * SpeedEvil ponders. Aug 13 22:30:38 * SpeedEvil boots. Aug 13 22:33:15 Sigh - no cdc-ether on this machine - compiling Aug 13 22:37:26 Can anyone help me with the GPS binary, I Aug 13 22:37:29 ... I Aug 13 22:37:36 .. I'd like to start porting my tracker ! Aug 13 22:37:59 You can more or less just use gpsd, and tell it to output fake NMEA data. Aug 13 22:38:08 Or just read NMEA from a file. Aug 13 22:40:18 True... I'd like to minimize the time the GPS is turned on, for example while beeing stationary (watching TV, working etc.). So I need some true heuristics ! Aug 13 22:40:34 psi: Ok - 10-11 seconds: asv1, asv2, flv, h263p, mpeg1, mpeg2, rv10, Aug 13 22:40:38 I guess I can use my external BT-gps, but that Aug 13 22:40:45 ... thats not as fun Aug 13 22:41:34 openmoko: 03mickey * r2696 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/gtkspinbutton: theming: remove 2007.0 spinbutton theming Aug 13 22:41:34 ffv1 - 45s, mjpeg 13s, mpeg4 12s, wmv1, wmv2 12s Aug 13 22:42:09 IMO, the current GPS software isn't much good for that, it's very slow to lock. Aug 13 22:42:20 * SpeedEvil has been perverted by the internets. Aug 13 22:42:27 * SpeedEvil read that as meatspinbutton. Aug 13 22:42:39 openmoko: 03mickey * r2697 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/openmoko-contacts: theming: no executables here Aug 13 22:42:50 There is work being fone on an opensource GPS thingy, that may well be better. Aug 13 22:43:22 SpeedEvil: ok, no A in AGPS implemented yet ? Aug 13 22:43:23 frma: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Aug 13 22:43:29 No. Aug 13 22:44:37 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hammerhead/Protocol is some on the hardware. Aug 13 22:47:02 Anyone got the 2007.2 images at http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp2/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/ from Aug 10 to boot ? Do I have to upgrade u-boot to get them working ? Aug 13 22:47:51 SpeedEvil, thanks Aug 13 22:47:55 frma: working fine here with original uboot Aug 13 22:50:07 rushforth: Thanks, I just get the today view no ssh, and nothing happends (except the clicking sound) when booting, it never asked me to calibrate screen :I Aug 13 22:52:14 frma: yeah, I did not get the calibration either, but ssh is working fine for me Aug 13 22:52:53 frma: make sure your using 2.6.21-5-r2 (i think) Aug 13 22:57:28 frma: my advice: get the aug 13 image from chooseopen Aug 13 23:00:21 mrface: I Aug 13 23:00:35 mrface: I'll try that, tnx! Aug 13 23:01:38 mrface: Is that a 2007.2 image ? Aug 13 23:17:09 frma: yep Aug 13 23:18:28 you guys should try building openoffice with everything enabled Aug 13 23:19:01 i just compiled my own .2, just flashing it, hope it works Aug 13 23:19:11 go t bed and it still building when you wake up Aug 13 23:19:33 omg, startup sound... Aug 13 23:20:21 does .2 have the kinetic menu effect Aug 13 23:20:51 hello Aug 13 23:21:04 linux_galore: yes Aug 13 23:21:55 Running task 1284 of 3542 :( Aug 13 23:22:26 it took me a few nights, i left it, only for it to die a few hundred later Aug 13 23:23:08 mrface: The one from the 13:th does not look like an 2007.2 :( Aug 13 23:26:27 frma: oh.. maybe I didn't get it from there.. hold on Aug 13 23:27:11 mrface: There is a 2007.2 from the 8:th (in build/alpha) Aug 13 23:27:18 Planet: what did you remove from the bb files to make it compile? Aug 13 23:27:35 um, let me check Aug 13 23:27:53 Are the torx on the neo security torx? Aug 13 23:27:57 * SpeedEvil can't quite see Aug 13 23:28:33 om-appmanager,keyboard and panel-mainmenu Aug 13 23:29:09 SpeedEvil: That wouldn't make for a very "open" phone... Aug 13 23:29:30 Planet: which bb file? Aug 13 23:30:15 sagacis: i didn't really modify anything, i just grabbed lastest version, then tried to compile, if I got an error, i would fix it, and continue building Aug 13 23:30:18 frma: ahh yes, I got it from http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/ Aug 13 23:30:52 Planet: Yeah, that's what I'm doing, but I know nothing about bitbake, so it takes me a whole day to figure out what to fix Aug 13 23:31:19 sagacis: I only learned not long ago, what problem are you having? Aug 13 23:31:21 mrface: Thanks, I'll try that ! Aug 13 23:31:28 frma: good luck Aug 13 23:31:56 * sagacis is looking Aug 13 23:32:38 uicmoc4-native-4.3.0-r2 failed Aug 13 23:33:14 which task? Aug 13 23:33:36 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXext Aug 13 23:33:41 Sorry, do_compile Aug 13 23:34:09 are you missing libXext? Aug 13 23:34:16 Could be... Aug 13 23:34:45 I didnt' need it for 2007.1, I guess Aug 13 23:35:03 Just plugging along.... Aug 13 23:35:47 OK, moved past that one. So, you didn't have a magic bullet to fix all future problems, then. I'll just keep going until it works. Aug 13 23:35:47 Does anybody know what to do when building 2007.2 when you get this error? ERROR: Unable to open conf/bitbake.conf Aug 13 23:36:02 mellon, are you using the MasterMakfile? Aug 13 23:36:19 thats what I did, for me it was glibc, gtk+, libgsmd Aug 13 23:36:28 mellon Aug 13 23:36:29 I think I have all of those Aug 13 23:36:35 your missing the variables Aug 13 23:36:42 export BBPATH= Aug 13 23:37:06 You shouldn't need those if you use the MasterMakefile. I did put them in to run bitbake standalone, tho Aug 13 23:37:38 its easy to build if you just follow OE's guide to setting it up, then just running bitbake openmoko-devel-image Aug 13 23:37:40 Ah, right. THanks. Aug 13 23:44:39 can the GPS chip receive both L1 and L2? Aug 13 23:47:02 How long after the billing email is the tracking email sent? Aug 13 23:47:05 Planet: My build continues... Do you think that was the last problem? Just my luck to give up one step from the end.... Aug 13 23:48:49 sagacis: i only had a few problems, most were minor, easily fixed, i had a good stretch from 1400-3200 Aug 13 23:49:20 That's right where I am. Spent some time trying to get bitbake -g to tell me what I am missing, but never figured out how to make it work. Aug 13 23:50:19 Writchie|away: I'm thinking it might be a good idea to separate the first blocks of the uboot in a separate partition, and perhaps even a separate package Aug 13 23:50:26 Writchie|away: sort of like grub's "stage 0" Aug 13 23:50:45 Writchie|away: so updating uboot wouldn't have to waste the previous few erase cycles on the first flash blocks Aug 13 23:51:07 sagacis: I think you should have minor problems, I am using a fresh install of fedora core 6, and had minor issues Aug 13 23:51:36 I'm following the pack with Feisty Fawn Aug 13 23:52:22 I just use what i am familar with, figured I could make it work Aug 13 23:53:13 sagacis: too old, go with gutsy :) Aug 13 23:53:36 you mean, "show some guts, go with gutsy" Aug 13 23:55:17 What's a common phone of screen size >neo, that I can buy a screen protector for? Aug 13 23:55:26 Vegar: quick scan of available resources suggests that the hammerhead is L1-only Aug 13 23:55:32 morning Aug 13 23:55:59 rwhitby, evening here.... Aug 13 23:56:07 ~ugt Aug 13 23:56:08 it has been said that ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Aug 13 23:56:28 Yes, L1 only. Aug 13 23:56:36 :/ Aug 13 23:56:40 meh Aug 13 23:56:57 L2 and L2C would be nice Aug 13 23:57:31 * sagacis stands corrected Aug 13 23:57:34 http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/ is up to date again with latest OM2007.2 images. Aug 13 23:57:55 great, and I just got the MasterMakefile working again.... Aug 13 23:58:11 P and M code would be nice. Aug 13 23:58:16 yes, more than just L1 would be nice Aug 13 23:58:26 but that's not cheap Aug 13 23:58:39 rwhitby: thanks. I'll drag it down.... Aug 13 23:58:53 rwhitby: I've been debating whether or not I should rsync my regularly built images up to one of my servers, is there a need for a constant flow of new images? Aug 13 23:59:40 rtyler: I have no opinion. I already manage an autobuilder using the master makefile for all the nslu2-linux feeds, so it was a one-liner to add support for OM2007.2 for me. Aug 14 00:00:05 rtyler: any chance you can update the Mono section of the wiki about how to get it on the neo/openmoko? Aug 14 00:00:40 jaebird: heh, howdy! I've got to do some more hacking in terms of getting more frameworks properly built. Aug 14 00:01:03 It was also only the 1.0 profile, haven't gotten gmcs and crew cooperating just yet (thus no blog post) Aug 14 00:01:15 rwhitby: how often are your builds up? Aug 14 00:01:16 rtyler: cool. Aug 14 00:01:41 rtyler: builder starts every 15 minutes unless the previous build has not finished. Aug 14 00:01:42 I realized just how much of my code was compiled against the .NET 2.0 profile yesterday when testing this >_< Aug 14 00:01:44 my idea is to do a rewrite of the gmail app i have on my phone in c#, but use the jabber gtalk protocol for "push" email Aug 14 00:01:59 jaebird: interesting, Gtk# or SWF? :P Aug 14 00:01:59 (it has lots of other stuff to do in addition to OM2007.2) Aug 14 00:02:13 rwhitby: has 2007.2 been more or less stable for you? Aug 14 00:02:15 something that will eventually run on the neo...so gtk# with openmoko# Aug 14 00:02:35 rtyler: build logs are at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/buildlogs/autobuild-nudi-last.txt and have dates Aug 14 00:03:01 we will need to wrap the openmoko whenever the api settles in, to make it look like a native openmoko app Aug 14 00:03:09 rtyler: must admit I have not been using 2007.2 much, since don't have an EABI gllin yet. Aug 14 00:03:33 jaebird: I was asking miguel about getting some .NET CF compatibility in Mono, and using OpenMoko as the test bed Aug 14 00:03:36 rwhitby: can't you just use a chroot with a OABI glibc, since the kernel has OABI compat? Aug 14 00:03:37 you should get on that ;) Aug 14 00:03:59 well Aug 14 00:04:02 cesarb: yeah, if I was motivated enough I could :-) Aug 14 00:04:03 rtyler: yes definitely Aug 14 00:04:04 i guess i didnt charge it up all the way Aug 14 00:04:09 it's at 60% according to apm Aug 14 00:04:13 what's that really? Aug 14 00:04:24 jaebird: get to writing unit tests kthxbai :D Aug 14 00:04:46 :) Aug 14 00:04:47 is it alright to cut short the 2 hour fast charge? Aug 14 00:04:54 ~xkcd Aug 14 00:05:05 apt: xkcd is http://xkcd.com/281/ Aug 14 00:05:06 okay, cesarb Aug 14 00:05:09 ~xkcd Aug 14 00:05:10 it has been said that xkcd is http://xkcd.com/281/ Aug 14 00:05:29 rtyler: the question is whether CF is worth it, now that embedded devices have accelerated so far Aug 14 00:05:32 it's been quite flakey lately, going into this mode where it blanks itself out even though apm says it has charge Aug 14 00:05:45 is there a way to avoid that? Aug 14 00:06:02 mono on the maemo platform has just broken up the platform into smaller chunks Aug 14 00:06:13 cesarb, I thought about that cartoon when I was waiting, too Aug 14 00:06:19 60% is probably really 30% Aug 14 00:06:32 with gtk#, it is already embeddable Aug 14 00:06:34 jaebird: why wouldn't it be worth it? I had to start putting my Mono binaries on the CF card just because I was running out of space on the rootfs :P Aug 14 00:07:30 rtyler: oh, well in that case it might be :) Aug 14 00:07:48 i installed the whole thing on my N800, iirc Aug 14 00:10:42 How do i turn down the backlight? Aug 14 00:10:57 smash the device down on the table Aug 14 00:11:14 echo 2600 > /sys/class/backlight/gta01-bl/brightness Aug 14 00:11:23 or another number. Aug 14 00:11:52 Actually, the phrase "remove the cover and take out the battery" answers nearly ALL questions about using the neo right now.... Aug 14 00:12:57 sagacis: so wait, how do I get sound to work? ;;) Aug 14 00:13:08 omfg four eyez Aug 14 00:13:22 heh Aug 14 00:14:13 rtyler: remove the cover, take out the battery, and bang your head into the table. if you don't hear a ringing sound, repeat. Aug 14 00:14:27 heh Aug 14 00:15:57 (we don't have all the bugs in this procedure worked out yet) Aug 14 00:19:38 Hey, how can I tell MasterMakefile to take advantage of my dual core? Aug 14 00:19:55 make -j2 openmoko-image? Aug 14 00:20:06 orospakr: you can try that? :/ Aug 14 00:20:11 I hadn;t thought about it yet Aug 14 00:20:25 Maybe I'd go twice as fast..... Aug 14 00:20:30 rtyler: heh, are you the MasterMakefile guy? Aug 14 00:20:36 I should abort the build and see if it's done by bedtime Aug 14 00:20:44 thankfully not, that shit's convenient, but scary :P Aug 14 00:20:51 yeah, I read the makefile. Aug 14 00:20:54 yeeg. Aug 14 00:21:03 I wish openembedded was a little saner. Aug 14 00:21:07 trying just a `make -j4` Aug 14 00:21:37 grr i've still not gotten a om2007.2 build to go Aug 14 00:22:19 yuck! Aug 14 00:22:25 this thing downloads tarballs of monotone trees! Aug 14 00:22:34 heh Aug 14 00:22:38 they're necessary :) Aug 14 00:22:42 yeah, what is the non-disgusting way to do this? properly? :) Aug 14 00:23:03 * orospakr pines for OLPC's sugar-jhbuild system... Aug 14 00:23:42 orospakr: since the OE SCM is monotone, how are you expecting to build an image without getting the monotone database? Aug 14 00:23:59 rhelmer: uh, by checkout stuff out of monotone trees directly? Aug 14 00:24:09 s/checkout/checking out/ Aug 14 00:24:10 orospakr meant: rhelmer: uh, by checking out stuff out of monotone trees directly? Aug 14 00:24:19 wow, fail. :) Aug 14 00:24:22 orospakr: downloading a tarball is *much* faster than a pull from scratch Aug 14 00:24:28 orospakr: isn't monotone a distributed SVM like git? Aug 14 00:24:34 I think so. Aug 14 00:24:43 orospakr: at least with git, you cannot checkout without downloading the whole database... Aug 14 00:24:55 cesarb: git has a fast server, though. Aug 14 00:25:20 orospakr: everything is fast with git ;-) it's the fastest of them all Aug 14 00:25:29 orospakr: I'm not here to defend the use of monotone - that's OE's decision. But please read up on monotone before you make statements about how the Makefile should get the source code from the SCM. Aug 14 00:25:42 (except on windows, since windows is very slow on the operations git depends on) Aug 14 00:26:32 orospakr: you should someday compare the speed of the tarball download speed of the monotone database with its "update" step. updating is awfully SLOW. Aug 14 00:27:11 wow. I guess that's why Linus decided not ot use it. Aug 14 00:27:13 (in fact, it's the slowest step of all the large number of mokomakefile steps!) Aug 14 00:28:09 (I'm counting each download and each build as a separate step, btw) Aug 14 00:29:19 orospakr: BTW, your http://orospakr.is-a-geek.org/ site seems to be down. Aug 14 00:30:36 orospakr: I'd be happy for OE to use git too. But I don't make the decisions about that. Aug 14 00:30:54 (I just write the Makefile to make what OE has chosen a bit easier to use) Aug 14 00:31:21 whoa. Aug 14 00:31:22 weird. Aug 14 00:31:27 use orospakr.ca, anyway Aug 14 00:35:50 GAK! somebody broke the tree methinks >_> Aug 14 00:35:54 NOTE: package libxosd-2.2.15+svn20070814-r4: task do_compile: failedERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting Aug 14 00:36:06 ugh, screen keeps fucking up line endings Aug 14 00:36:14 NOTE: package libxosd-2.2.15+svn20070814-r4: task do_compile: failed Aug 14 00:36:15 ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting Aug 14 00:36:18 NOTE: package libxosd-2.2.15+svn20070814: failed Aug 14 00:36:25 :( Aug 14 00:36:29 grr, I fixed it. Aug 14 00:36:36 apache died for no reason. Aug 14 00:36:56 http://dpaste.com/16771/ <-- icmoc4-native-4.3.0-r2 is failing to build Aug 14 00:38:22 rtyler: check the log on build/tmp/work///temp to see what exactly failed Aug 14 00:40:11 so, is there anything else i can do with the makefile to try fixing this: make update && make openmoko-image Aug 14 00:40:12 ? Aug 14 00:40:24 i'm using the mastermakefile to build om2007.2 Aug 14 00:41:03 cesarb: trying again with out the -j flags ;) Aug 14 00:42:07 http://dev.damaestro.us/log.do_compile.2490 is the actual log Aug 14 00:46:46 daMaestro: You are a couple hours behind me, I think... Aug 14 00:47:10 I had to install libXext Aug 14 00:47:13 -dev Aug 14 00:47:43 That got me to 1766 and beyond Aug 14 00:48:08 hmm... see now are you sure that the host is suppose to provide that lib? Aug 14 00:48:46 i mean i did find what package provided that.. but i thought it was supposed to be provided by something built earlier in the process? Aug 14 00:48:47 It's needed for compiling something.... Aug 14 00:49:03 Hello... How do I get past lsof, when building OM2007.2 with the nslu makefile? Aug 14 00:49:06 ok, i'll add it Aug 14 00:49:08 Dunno. I did "apt-get libXext-dev" and i'm up and running Aug 14 00:49:09 sagacis, what distro? Aug 14 00:49:15 ubuntu 7.04 Aug 14 00:49:19 ahh debian derivative? Aug 14 00:49:21 ah ok. Aug 14 00:49:24 yup Aug 14 00:49:39 i need to add the package deps for fedora on the wiki (thank gawd yum logs) Aug 14 00:49:54 daMaestro: good idea Aug 14 00:50:00 freelock, you'll have to look at the logs. Aug 14 00:50:17 in the output of the build process, it says it failed at some point and the log is in.... Aug 14 00:50:23 well the ultimate plan is to just find out exactly what is needed and package almost a metapackage, with the makefile and a few patches Aug 14 00:52:17 you notice the apt-get list on the wiki page? Aug 14 00:53:16 Ah, it's looking for an selinux.h Aug 14 00:53:37 freelock: What distro are you running? Aug 14 00:53:45 Ubuntu 7.04 Aug 14 00:54:02 did you do the apt-get install from the wiki page? Aug 14 00:54:17 I did several days ago... trying to find again to see if there's a new package added Aug 14 00:54:25 I added two Aug 14 00:54:32 You can just paste it in again. Aug 14 00:54:41 It'll just update any existing or say "nothing to do" Aug 14 00:55:02 But, I'm only 1/2-way through Aug 14 00:55:23 0 to install Aug 14 00:55:39 good. What build task are you on? Aug 14 00:56:02 om2007.2 has a lot more deps then just om2007 Aug 14 00:56:17 3406 of 3522 Aug 14 00:56:33 do_compile in package lsof-4.78 Aug 14 00:56:35 freelock: you aare WAY ahead of me. If you find what you need....update the wiki Aug 14 00:56:43 post your log to pastebin.ca Aug 14 00:57:16 yeah, i'm only at 1369 of 3522 Aug 14 00:57:24 I'm at 1767 Aug 14 00:58:30 http://pastebin.ca/656366 Aug 14 00:59:35 I tried commenting lsof out of the task.bb that was trying to load it, and this got me all the way through all the tasks except for the very last one, building the rootfs Aug 14 00:59:52 (this a couple days ago, been away from the computer for a while) Aug 14 01:01:03 FYI, OM2007.2 builds on Debian Etch with the following packages installed: http://pastebin.ca/656369 - that's how the images at http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/ are built. Aug 14 01:01:11 freelock, apt-get install selinux-dev ? Aug 14 01:01:37 Anyone knows how one can bring up the virtual keyboard and/or stroke recognizer in 2007.2 ? Aug 14 01:01:43 Just tried that (libselinux1-dev), already installed Aug 14 01:01:51 libselinux1 ? Aug 14 01:01:54 ahh gotcha Aug 14 01:03:30 frma, it's not in there Aug 14 01:03:50 frma, sagacis, actually it is... Aug 14 01:03:56 oh, sorry Aug 14 01:04:04 run the input manager, and you'll get the white box Aug 14 01:04:16 rwhitby: that's helpful, thanks. Aug 14 01:04:21 Oh, right! Aug 14 01:04:26 I forgot. Aug 14 01:04:46 Note that's not a minimal set - that machine was upgraded from Sarge and has been used for building lots of different stuff. Aug 14 01:04:53 sagacis: Works, thanks ! Aug 14 01:06:04 frma, don't thank me. I steered you wrong.... Aug 14 01:06:08 okay, I found /usr/include/selinux/selinux.h... anything I can set somewhere to make it search /usr/include? Aug 14 01:06:50 some italian developer? Aug 14 01:06:51 zez_zez: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Aug 14 01:07:43 ok, thanks to freelock then... my misstake ;) Aug 14 01:11:12 or better, I'm looking for the contact of some italian developer, i'm heppy to invite someone at the linuxday in modena Aug 14 01:16:37 freelock, any progress? Aug 14 01:17:00 No, not yet... I found the include in the source code, not sure why it's not finding the .h file... Aug 14 01:17:17 man, building is really not nice right now. Aug 14 01:18:57 freelock: it's not supposed to look at /usr/include ever Aug 14 01:19:08 freelock: last time it did, it broke my build Aug 14 01:19:13 Okay... Aug 14 01:19:41 freelock: it will always look at the staging directory, where it was put by another package Aug 14 01:20:10 I just found a build log on buildhost.openmoko.org that passes a --disable-selinux switch to the config somewhere... Aug 14 01:20:37 s/disable-selinux/without-selinux/ Aug 14 01:20:38 freelock meant: I just found a build log on buildhost.openmoko.org that passes a --without-selinux switch to the config somewhere... Aug 14 01:20:45 That would make sense, since we don't need selinux Aug 14 01:21:29 ... looks like that's while it's building glibc Aug 14 01:22:06 ...so how do I get it to tell lsof it doesn't need selinux--that's the question... Aug 14 01:22:16 orospakr: suggestions on making it better? (apart from switching to git) Aug 14 01:22:19 ./fic-gta01-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/kernel/include/linux/selinux.h Aug 14 01:22:23 It should be there.... Aug 14 01:23:11 boy, qt4 takes a looong time to compile Aug 14 01:28:49 okay, I found it in openmoko/tmp/work... and that path... Aug 14 01:28:57 rwhitby: use an SCM that isn't so ridiculously slow as to require upstream to make tarballs?> Aug 14 01:29:13 if that's where it's supposed to be, then it's looking like an invalid include path in the source file... Aug 14 01:29:18 I mean, seriously, it means I have to wait for tarballs to get made nightly or whatever to get updates. Aug 14 01:29:23 orospakr: yep, you'll need to petition the core team for that one ... Aug 14 01:29:26 what's the point of having a VCS in the first place at that point? Aug 14 01:29:43 orospakr: no, you're misunderstanding the process. Aug 14 01:29:49 only the initial checkout is from tarballs. Aug 14 01:29:55 oh! Aug 14 01:29:56 OK. Aug 14 01:29:59 after that it's just a mtn pull of changes Aug 14 01:29:59 well, that's not so bad. Aug 14 01:30:17 still, git was made for a reason. Aug 14 01:30:39 (the mtn pull is still slow, but it's tens of seconds rather than minutes) Aug 14 01:31:01 rwhitby: tens of seconds? Aug 14 01:31:12 rwhitby: the mtn pull takes tens of _minutes_ here Aug 14 01:31:23 rwhitby: and the first one takes _hours_ Aug 14 01:31:45 orospakr: the history is that git wasn't around in a useable form when OE made the decision to move to monotone. Aug 14 01:31:52 rwhitby: it seems to be round-tripping to the server for every single changeset, and I am probably far enough from the server for it to make an insane amount of difference Aug 14 01:33:23 cesarb: depends on how often you sync I guess Aug 14 01:33:32 26 seconds here for a pull Aug 14 01:33:58 and I've got a ping rtt of 800ms Aug 14 01:34:26 anyway, as I said, I'm not here to defend monotone. Aug 14 01:36:44 the place to petition replacing monotone with git for OE is on the oe-devel mailing list, not here. Aug 14 01:39:35 Okay... I tried commenting out the include, and the compile went further--but failed. It looks like a bunch of files here are getting compiled with -DHASSELINUX. Aug 14 01:40:13 I'm not finding an selinux/selinux.h file anywhere in my build tree, though I do find selinux.h about 7 or 8 times in various packages... Aug 14 01:44:26 How would I get an openembedded selinux package, or better, tell it to compile the lsof package --without-selinux? Aug 14 01:49:43 lol, HASSELINUX is german for HATELINUX Aug 14 01:52:49 freelock, I fear catching up with you..... Aug 14 01:52:55 I have no answers yet. Aug 14 01:53:10 In fact, I'm still building qt4 Aug 14 01:53:25 Yeah, I remember that taking a *long* time Aug 14 01:53:47 well.. it sure sounds like i'm off to get a latte Aug 14 02:03:45 Wow, suddenly, I'm 100 tasks down the road Aug 14 02:04:52 sagacis: 100 tasks down the road? Aug 14 02:05:07 as in bugzilla bugs? Aug 14 02:09:42 I'm guessing build tasks Aug 14 02:15:34 rtyler, nope. 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