**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 14 02:59:56 2007 Aug 14 03:21:28 how do i start the browser on om2007.2? Aug 14 03:21:43 close your eyes, tap your feet together and wish! Aug 14 03:22:00 oh, is it not included/building? Aug 14 03:22:09 it should be, I'm just not sure :) Aug 14 03:22:28 i thought it was dillo based, but i don't see any *dillo* Aug 14 03:22:36 gtkhtml Aug 14 03:23:44 damnit.. that sucks... the 20070808 build doesn't have it Aug 14 03:35:20 yeah, so i got the feed reader to go online Aug 14 03:35:26 i really, really like the new scrolling Aug 14 03:35:37 it actually works finger based, which is really good Aug 14 03:35:48 * daMaestro switches WAPS Aug 14 03:38:13 Cool! Aug 14 03:38:25 hey, I could use the feed reader for gmail, now that I think about it Aug 14 03:44:50 goes the gsmd work in 2007.2? Aug 14 03:45:08 (only 1000 more tasks and my build is complete) Aug 14 03:45:37 hmmm well i can get gsmd working if i manually restart it Aug 14 03:45:40 but the dialer doesn't work Aug 14 03:45:49 i'm still waiting on my om2007.2 build Aug 14 03:46:25 me too.... Were you using the feed reader on .2? Aug 14 03:46:55 I plan to put 2007.2 on the mmc card and boot it as an option. Aug 14 03:46:59 The best of both worlds. Aug 14 03:47:25 sagacis, i'm at the failing of libxosd... how did you fix it? Aug 14 03:47:35 yes, i was using the feed reader on 2007.2 Aug 14 03:47:36 I didn't Aug 14 03:47:46 daMaestro: What task? Aug 14 03:47:46 i was actually able to browse the web with it Aug 14 03:47:54 just following links from feeds ;-) Aug 14 03:48:02 3035 Aug 14 03:48:06 heh.... That's pretty funny! Aug 14 03:48:13 daMaestro: You've passed me! Aug 14 03:48:26 are you running dual-core? Aug 14 03:48:48 daMaestro: I'm on 2519 Aug 14 03:48:55 2521 Aug 14 03:49:02 well... it is dual core, but i've only exported one cpu to the guest Aug 14 03:49:14 so i can actually work while it is building ;-) Aug 14 03:49:27 me too....You must be faster Aug 14 03:49:47 3.2Ghz x86_64, with a gig of ram for the guest Aug 14 03:50:05 i might move the om build system to a xen instance on a different machine, but right now i am using a kvm guest Aug 14 03:50:06 Ah.... 2.8 x86_32 Aug 14 03:50:32 well, i'm running the guest 32bit because it was hinted that will work better Aug 14 03:50:56 It's amazing that you are going so much faster with only .4GHz (12%?) more Aug 14 03:51:09 maybe HDD speeds Aug 14 03:51:32 did you find the prob? Aug 14 03:51:53 I'm propping my eyelids away to see any errors, but I'm going to have to hit the sack soon... Aug 14 03:52:04 well, it is a flat file on a sata300 drive Aug 14 03:52:40 hmm... Shouldn't be that much faster.... Oh, well. Congrats on the speed Aug 14 03:52:53 maybe I'm just doing too much playing and tromping on the other core Aug 14 03:53:34 come to think of it, I also updated and build .1 since I started the .2 build Aug 14 03:53:48 hey guys, anyone familiar with the debug board? Aug 14 03:53:55 yeah, after seeing .2 i'm not going back to .1 ;-) Aug 14 03:54:14 sagacis, someone was just here (about 2 hours ago) with the same failure Aug 14 03:54:22 do you recall? (i can check my logs on my desktop if not) Aug 14 03:55:55 he didn't post an answer Aug 14 03:55:59 ciphercast222: not I Aug 14 03:56:00 rtyler, ping Aug 14 03:56:07 anti-ping Aug 14 03:56:08 rtyler, any luck with rtyler Aug 14 03:56:13 oops Aug 14 03:56:17 heh.... Aug 14 03:56:25 any luck with libxosd ? Aug 14 03:56:44 somebody had an selinux problem. never saw a solution Aug 14 03:57:01 i've not gotten there Aug 14 03:59:53 daMaestro: been working on my day job ;) Aug 14 04:00:55 rtyler, ahh.. yeah i hear that Aug 14 04:01:07 that would be why none of my planned applications are started Aug 14 04:02:46 daMaestro: What's your logged error for libxosd? Aug 14 04:04:11 from? Aug 14 04:04:26 Aug 13 18:36:00 NOTE: package libxosd-2.2.15+svn20070814-r4: task do_compile: failedERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting Aug 14 04:04:27 Aug 13 18:36:21 NOTE: package libxosd-2.2.15+svn20070814-r4: task do_compile: failed Aug 14 04:04:27 Aug 13 18:36:25 NOTE: package libxosd-2.2.15+svn20070814: failed Aug 14 04:04:32 mine is a patch failing to apply Aug 14 04:05:05 ERROR: Task 3035 (/home/jon/OM2007.2/openmoko/openembedded/packages/libxosd/libxosd_svn.bb, do_patch) failed Aug 14 04:05:17 |--- current.orig/src/Makefile.am 2007-06-14 09:06:04.000000000 +0000 Aug 14 04:05:18 |+++ current/src/Makefile.am 2007-06-14 09:14:37.000000000 +0000 Aug 14 04:05:36 so it's just a patch for the Makefile (pre automake) that is failing to apply Aug 14 04:08:58 it's autofoo.patch that is failing to apply Aug 14 04:09:15 Can you paste the entire log to pastebin.ca? Aug 14 04:09:53 That's wierd Aug 14 04:10:28 it's not giving me an entire log Aug 14 04:11:51 http://dpaste.com/16783/ ... is part of the traceback Aug 14 04:12:45 does anyone know how i can "reset" the libxosd so it just downloads the source for it again and reruns all tasks for it? Aug 14 04:12:52 i really don't want to start from step 1 again Aug 14 04:15:26 * daMaestro goes for the ghetto reset: find -name "*libxosd*"|xargs rm Aug 14 04:16:40 i'm not much help. In fact, I'm too tired to even see. I'm outta here. 'nite Aug 14 04:16:53 I'll let you know tomorrow if I built. Aug 14 04:20:56 cool, cya Aug 14 04:21:03 i think i'm outa here soon too Aug 14 04:39:28 ＠＠“ Aug 14 04:54:08 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Mintee]] [[P1_Owners]] Aug 14 04:55:50 any ideas why the neo would not turn on if power is available? Aug 14 04:56:07 my battery is @ 3.29v, but I can't get the neo to turn on... Aug 14 04:56:49 you've tried the oft-suggested technique of removing the battery for about 10s, and trying again? Aug 14 04:57:00 s/battery/all sources of power/ Aug 14 04:57:01 ckuethe meant: you've tried the oft-suggested technique of removing the all sources of power for about 10s, and trying again? Aug 14 04:58:06 I just got it to boot Aug 14 04:58:22 (yay!) after two days dealing with dead batteries Aug 14 04:59:09 for those who are interested, I was required to use my debug board to charge my batteries to a sufficient level to boot Aug 14 04:59:28 moin Aug 14 04:59:57 I guess the uboot revision I had for some reason would not charge the batteries when dead Aug 14 05:00:21 so be careful, keep at least one battery charged Aug 14 05:15:17 ciphercast222, maybe add that along with your uboot version to the wiki somewhere ? Aug 14 05:16:01 yeah, once I get all this sorted out Aug 14 05:16:06 ciphercast222: I don't have a spare battery or a debugboard, so now I'm getting nervous.. ;) Aug 14 05:17:34 well, my problem is a mix of two things (i assume): non-original uboot revision and 2 dead batteries (because I left them in the neo while it was OFF, but I guess still kept draining power) Aug 14 05:17:52 ciphercast222: did you take the battery out, wait for 10 seconds, put the battery back in (but do *not* try and turn it on), plug in usb to charge, wait for 20 minutes, then try and turn it on ? Aug 14 05:18:09 yes Aug 14 05:18:31 left the neo unplugged for a couple hours Aug 14 05:18:33 did you try again, increasing the 20 minutes to overnight? Aug 14 05:18:42 unplugged? Aug 14 05:18:43 that was last night :( Aug 14 05:18:53 the 20 minutes is plugged in, but not turned on. Aug 14 05:18:54 unplugged/no battery Aug 14 05:19:07 that bit doesn't matter. 10 seconds is enough. Aug 14 05:19:32 I understand, it wasn't intentional Aug 14 05:19:36 the deciding factor is how long you leave it plugged into USB to charge, but without trying to turn it on after you put the battery back in. Aug 14 05:20:24 did you do that bit for at least 20 minutes? Aug 14 05:21:00 I first tried to give it a hour, then 4 hours, eventually then overnight; repeating the same process over and over (d/c all power, wait >10s, insert batt, insert usb, *leave alone*) Aug 14 05:21:37 ok, then. weird. Aug 14 05:21:47 believe me, I had plenty of time to read (and re-read) the wiki when the damn thing wasn't working Aug 14 05:21:53 was the usb giving it 100mA? Aug 14 05:22:22 I did not hook up a ammeter inline Aug 14 05:22:26 (some usb hubs won't give downstream power unless the upstream host is turned on) Aug 14 05:23:01 It was directly connected to my PC Aug 14 05:23:09 and the PC was on? Aug 14 05:23:26 correct Aug 14 05:23:37 ok, that's the end of my dumb questions ;-) Aug 14 05:24:04 it's ok, I would prefer an actual solution to this problem Aug 14 05:24:26 the weird thing is that I understand why it takes the 20 minutes left alone to come back alive. I can't think of any failure mode which would cause what you're seeing. Aug 14 05:24:59 why the 20 minutes? Aug 14 05:25:31 the battery has to get enough charge so that the phone can boot and get to the point where it switches to 500mA. Aug 14 05:26:13 oh, ok (I thought you were talking about something else) Aug 14 05:26:14 if you don't leave it long enough, you get into a reset loop. Aug 14 05:26:31 the initial unauthorized power is only 100mA Aug 14 05:26:36 where just the display coming on is enough to suck all the charge out. Aug 14 05:26:51 any way to charge the battery in some other way? Aug 14 05:27:11 the phone actually has to boot for the PC to authorize the 500mA Aug 14 05:27:22 ciphercast222: right. Aug 14 05:27:45 that's why we have to let the battery charge up enough for the phone to be able to get to that point Aug 14 05:27:51 gcb77: good question, the answer is yes, how is another story Aug 14 05:28:12 rwhitby: right, my problem is that the phone was not charging Aug 14 05:28:15 gcb77: apparently a third-party nokia battery charger will do it Aug 14 05:28:40 ciphercast222: right - you have a unique (in my visibility of what people have been experiencing) situation Aug 14 05:29:12 (which is why I asked all the dumb questions, to make absolutely sure it wasn't the normal battery charging problem) Aug 14 05:29:36 I mean, as soon as I connected the debug board, I was fine in 30 minutes Aug 14 05:30:00 right, I understand->normally the simplest solution Aug 14 05:33:11 damn, I wish I knew exactly why this happened Aug 14 05:34:36 see, now my phone will not boot again Aug 14 05:35:06 batt ~3.26 Aug 14 05:35:08 ciphercast222: That sucks :-/ Aug 14 05:40:05 bb in 20 minutes...guess why. Aug 14 06:54:27 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Historybuff/notes]] [[Wishlist:Games]] [[Java]] Aug 14 06:56:24 ack@ java games Aug 14 06:56:53 I want mame Aug 14 06:57:41 linux_galore: i know the neo looks like a GP2X... Aug 14 06:58:31 well Im thinking nick the emulator stuff from the GP2X and port it to the neo Aug 14 06:58:49 cirtainly... Aug 14 06:59:06 i need a good hack/rogue/adom/nethack port before i will buy a neo ;) Aug 14 07:00:35 and how are you gonna do input? Aug 14 07:00:49 that's the biggest problem with porting nethack to mobile devices Aug 14 07:00:51 The OM and the GP2X people should talk to each other and make a merged product Aug 14 07:01:42 blindcoder: USB Aug 14 07:01:52 mame++ Aug 14 07:02:39 the cool thing is most mame roms are low res anyway so will work fine on the OM Aug 14 07:03:19 right... Aug 14 07:03:39 need to find a portable USB controller though, hmmm stares at the Wii controler Aug 14 07:03:41 too bad we cant find the GP2X people Aug 14 07:03:43 but kind of pointless, you'll be able to run mame on the neo (albeit missing keys :) ) Aug 14 07:03:45 atleast i coldnt Aug 14 07:04:36 getting a core product working well is more important than getting a product which tries to be everything to everybody :/ Aug 14 07:04:49 doc|home: your new to Linux huh Aug 14 07:04:57 * linux_galore ducks Aug 14 07:05:04 linux_galore: *smack* not fast enough :) Aug 14 07:05:31 in fairness, the desktop side of linux is only kicking in now, and that's only because one distro has really put the effort into being in that position Aug 14 07:05:41 the rest were all lacking in some way Aug 14 07:05:46 there is also something to be learnt from the PepperPC people Aug 14 07:05:59 oh noes, doc|home is an ubuntu zeolot? Aug 14 07:06:00 i met them at some convention in NYC Aug 14 07:06:02 LOL Aug 14 07:06:16 doc|home: yeah, Ubuntu has really pushed the bar higher on the desktop Aug 14 07:06:27 * daMaestro chants flame war, flame war, flame war Aug 14 07:06:28 daMaestro: I'm not, look at my hostmask, but it's the closest to a usable desktop for noobs that linux has been able to offer for years. Aug 14 07:06:50 * linux_galore digs out is ricer joke book Aug 14 07:06:58 s/is/his/ Aug 14 07:07:01 * daMaestro has a cloak too :-D Aug 14 07:07:20 you'r in a channel about an open source phone which can barely boot and you're going to try to get critical about gentoo? :) Aug 14 07:07:23 * doc|home jokes too Aug 14 07:07:24 :) Aug 14 07:07:37 i'm happy ubuntu exists, #fedora could never have enough resources to support completely new users that would like mice with one button ;-) Aug 14 07:07:53 daMaestro: fedora was up there, but still missing in many things. rpm sucked for way too long. Aug 14 07:07:59 oh yea. Aug 14 07:08:06 lets port emerge to the OM, nothing like waiting 6 months for the base system to compile Aug 14 07:08:18 ;) Aug 14 07:08:23 I used apt4rpm on rh9 and loved it, but still got way too messy and was still lacking in the repo Aug 14 07:08:35 linux_galore, while at it, why not run qemu on openmoko ;) Aug 14 07:08:48 linux_galore: someone in #gentoo asked if the neo could run gentoo yesterday :D Aug 14 07:09:03 linux_galore: that's not even a joke... Aug 14 07:09:05 xkr47: yeah, run qemu and host a WinCE session Aug 14 07:09:07 navaburo: I'm with you on the roguelikes! :D Aug 14 07:09:17 also http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/index.xml Aug 14 07:09:30 of course you don't build *on* the neo Aug 14 07:10:29 or even more evil run qemu with OSX so you can run iPhone software Aug 14 07:10:34 I really fail to see the point in running $foolinux on a device that wasn't designed for it Aug 14 07:10:39 ciphercast222: we should get hack running on your neo Aug 14 07:10:42 blindcoder: me too Aug 14 07:10:59 blindcoder: but it being a possibility is still nice, and the opensource way, right? Aug 14 07:11:24 doc|home: and probably a waste of resources, too Aug 14 07:11:32 sure it's nifty and all Aug 14 07:11:35 but quite pointless Aug 14 07:11:48 blindcoder: that's an argument that lots of people have said about lots of things (kde vs gnome, emacs vs vi) Aug 14 07:11:51 blindcoder: but there is the interoperability... Aug 14 07:12:05 actually it will be interesting in a year or two all the weird hacking that will show up on the OM platform Aug 14 07:12:06 some say that putting linux on a phone is pointless.... too bloated Aug 14 07:12:06 navaburo: agreed Aug 14 07:12:10 and it's all FOSS, so the good can be merged from either side Aug 14 07:12:11 navaburo: for interoperability you don't need to have the same distribution Aug 14 07:12:33 blindcoder: well the same package manager is just another level of interoperability Aug 14 07:12:38 navaburo: or has gentoo patches in all its programs so that tehy only talk to other gentoo installations? Aug 14 07:12:59 well you will know the OM has made it when some idiot ports Apache to it Aug 14 07:13:03 blindcoder: dont give them any ideas! Aug 14 07:13:34 linux_galore: Apache, no, but cirtiainly it can handle a light httpd Aug 14 07:13:42 heh, package management is one of the most heated discussion anywhere Aug 14 07:13:43 an 8-bit PIC can do it! Aug 14 07:13:48 navaburo: I think by the way OM is shaping up, it will be an excellent lightweight LIP Aug 14 07:13:56 LIP? Aug 14 07:14:00 linux-in-pocket Aug 14 07:14:06 navaburo: Ive seen devices with less grunt than the OM run apache Aug 14 07:14:07 I prefer the package management of my distribution over yours, but that's besides the point ;) Aug 14 07:14:18 personally I see no reason why there shouldn't be different projects doing the same thing. It's evolution and competition in action. Aug 14 07:14:24 linux_galore: but did they realy grunt when they did? Aug 14 07:15:03 nothing beats the 8-bit PIC with a hard-coded assembler "webserver" that fits on a quarter Aug 14 07:15:04 doc|home: yes, no problem with that as long as they document Aug 14 07:15:06 navaburo: you can cut out allot of the stuff out of apache for a simple html page server Aug 14 07:15:18 navaburo: yeah, of course, same for any dev project though Aug 14 07:16:09 there are though a few lightweight http servers already so apache would be over kill, thats why I said "some idiot" Aug 14 07:16:14 linux_galore: OM can already run Apache. Aug 14 07:16:50 and lighttpd, and many other lightweight http servers Aug 14 07:16:58 rwhitby: yes but has anyone actually done it on the hand held Aug 14 07:17:11 man, 10 years ago a 400mhz server was great for apache Aug 14 07:17:22 why should it be any different on a phone Aug 14 07:17:28 doc|home: I ran Apache on a 486-66 Aug 14 07:17:32 sure - 'make package-apache2' will build the ipk's for you Aug 14 07:17:34 linux_galore: exactly Aug 14 07:17:55 although I'm guessing the code has changed a lot more since that time than ten years ago :) Aug 14 07:18:00 more bloated Aug 14 07:18:01 sorry, 'make build-package-apache2' Aug 14 07:18:07 Hm, so you could what, serve apache to your local bluetooth PAN? Aug 14 07:18:17 yeah well apache is huge now ie php and java and xml stuff Aug 14 07:18:17 mellon_: ad-hoc wifi Aug 14 07:18:22 sure, and your local LAN when you're attached by USB Aug 14 07:18:27 such as there was a LUG bbq here on saturday Aug 14 07:18:31 take out everything but wait on connect, then send hello world. done Aug 14 07:18:38 Hm. I suppose it might make a fun management API... Aug 14 07:18:47 doc|home: what state? Aug 14 07:18:50 I can't wait until this phones gets a couple more kinks worked out Aug 14 07:18:51 God help you when someone hacks your server and starts making international phone calls, though... :') Aug 14 07:18:57 linux_galore: none of those are required for apache Aug 14 07:19:10 ciphercast222: which kinks? Aug 14 07:19:15 navaburo: vancouver, didn't go myself, but there was mention of an openmoko there :) Aug 14 07:19:21 (on the mailing list) Aug 14 07:19:26 a demo Aug 14 07:19:29 I dunno why people downplay bluetooth access points so much. I set up one at home and one at work for my Treo 650, and use it all the time Aug 14 07:19:33 ciphercast222: the one where i still havent gotten a call from you on it??? Aug 14 07:19:47 (across multiple floors of the building, and across the length of my house) Aug 14 07:19:53 nice Aug 14 07:20:01 rwhitby: what is it, like a wifi AP? just for BT? Aug 14 07:20:05 sure Aug 14 07:20:08 * daMaestro is thinking about turning his gta01 into a gsm -> voip gateway Aug 14 07:20:15 navaburo: uuh, stable alsa support, stable gsmd, stable power management Aug 14 07:20:17 pfft I dont need a backup data centre, I have samba/apache/ftp running on my OM, heh Aug 14 07:20:22 heh Aug 14 07:20:31 all you need is an NSLU2 and a class 1 USB BT adapter\ Aug 14 07:20:32 and dont forget asterisk! Aug 14 07:20:40 they're kind of hard to come by compared to WiFi, and also more expensive, and not much range. Aug 14 07:20:43 just get a prepay plan that has unlimited mobile <-> mobile Aug 14 07:20:47 If you live in a wood house, they're probably okay. Aug 14 07:21:03 mellon_: nslu2 + 100m usb dongle Aug 14 07:21:17 (which equates to 30m in reality) Aug 14 07:21:39 that's great for the AP, but don't you still need a stronger transmitter on the wireless device? Aug 14 07:21:40 or any other router with a usb port running slugos or angstrom or openwrt or optware ... Aug 14 07:21:51 mornin' Aug 14 07:21:52 daMaestro: they exist? how wonderful! Aug 14 07:22:04 thats free phone service... Aug 14 07:22:11 yeah, so did I Aug 14 07:22:28 problem is no one else I know has tmobile... Aug 14 07:22:39 mellon_: have you tried it - I'm giving you emprical measurements, not marketing blurbs Aug 14 07:22:43 navaburo: did I mention i hate verizon? Aug 14 07:22:53 there must be an expiration on the prepayed card witht the mobile-to-mobile, plus a minimum payment Aug 14 07:23:17 Not with a 100m dongle. With my regular bt, audio starts to die out in the very next room, little say across the house. Aug 14 07:23:17 Im trying to think how the Telco's will view the OM in a few years when its basically a full blown multi core server in your hand Aug 14 07:23:37 navaburo: you buy refill cards with a certain amt of minutes Aug 14 07:23:52 the minutes expire after certain intervals Aug 14 07:24:10 well Im off home Aug 14 07:24:20 * linux_galore waves Aug 14 07:24:38 navaburo: ie. buy a sim card with 10 minutes, buy $100 refill card that has 1000 minutes, doesn't expire for 1 yr Aug 14 07:24:56 * rwhitby will be running apache on the OM so he can look at the drraw graphs generated from rrdcollect Aug 14 07:25:31 (like I currently do on the home gateway router) Aug 14 07:25:43 I have to give credit to FIC for designing this phone openly Aug 14 07:27:05 when I was having battery problems the last two days, there's nothing like a fresh wiki and ML loaded with debug information, on top of having a debug board and of course the guitar pic Aug 14 07:30:25 rwhitby: ae you chatting an not conveting mokomakfile?1 Aug 14 07:31:01 I've never seen a bt access point.. Aug 14 07:31:53 anyone tested the Nokia SU-8W Bluetooth Keyboard with OpenMoko? Aug 14 07:32:18 http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/news.asp?symb=SCOX :) Aug 14 07:32:21 slightly off-topic Aug 14 07:34:16 navaburo, ;-) Aug 14 07:35:45 doc|home, http://finance.google.com/finance?q=scox Aug 14 07:36:03 yep :) Aug 14 07:36:25 it's a good day, SCO's share price fell through the floor, Karl Rove resigned Aug 14 07:36:30 * doc|home happeeee Aug 14 07:36:33 night :) Aug 14 07:36:57 scohehehe Aug 14 07:37:15 you just need that last guy to resign now... Aug 14 07:38:16 just got lucky there was a judge with some sense Aug 14 07:44:18 ScaredyCat: when mickey|dinner announces OM2007.2 is live, then you can hassle me about converting mokomakefile Aug 14 07:44:33 he said earlier aout 19th Aug 14 07:44:58 yep, so I've plenty of time ... Aug 14 07:45:09 and I've even given you a master makefile for the interim. Aug 14 07:45:10 iirc it was ' rwhitby get your finger out and get mokomakefile sorted you lazy mofo' Aug 14 07:45:14 exact words iirc Aug 14 07:45:16 ;) Aug 14 07:45:25 yeah, mickey|dinner always talks like that. right. Aug 14 07:45:44 that master makefile explodes on my builder Aug 14 07:48:26 .. and I remember asking you about it... you claimed you knew nothing of mokomakefile... Aug 14 07:48:40 you are a meanie Aug 14 07:49:00 * ScaredyCat powers up mokomaker... Aug 14 07:51:31 how fast is sending stuff over usb using dfu ? Aug 14 07:59:40 slow Aug 14 08:00:07 for rootfs about it's painful Aug 14 08:00:16 s/about// Aug 14 08:00:16 ScaredyCat meant: for rootfs it's painful Aug 14 08:10:14 does apt complete regexes? Aug 14 08:10:19 s/apt/the bot/ Aug 14 08:10:21 cheriff meant: does the bot complete regexes? Aug 14 08:10:24 hehe Aug 14 08:37:24 mickey|dinner, ping Aug 14 08:46:48 (script) openmoko-community: Sean Moss-Pultz Re: Chinese input for OpenMoko Aug 14 08:54:28 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:BuiltInScriptingLanguage]] Aug 14 08:55:22 wTf Aug 14 09:00:45 howdy Aug 14 09:24:40 Wow, the 2007.2 build seems a lot cleaner than the old build. Aug 14 09:24:41 knock wood, I guess. Aug 14 09:38:24 somebody managed to tell mrxvt use smaller font? Aug 14 09:43:29 Dmitry_Platonov, I think mine sometimes is smaller Aug 14 09:45:04 or maybe it was in the other version I teste Aug 14 09:45:05 d Aug 14 10:02:07 smaller font?! Aug 14 10:02:11 it's tiny Aug 14 10:02:35 Hello. My Nokia phone seems to be dying, and I'm thinking about replacing it with a Neo1973 Aug 14 10:02:44 Is it usable, stable etc.. yet? Aug 14 10:02:45 Dark_Apostrophe: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Aug 14 10:03:09 Dark_Apostrophe: not yet really Aug 14 10:03:12 in 2007.2, mrxvt is used, and it's font is huge Aug 14 10:03:27 When do you think it should be (rough estimate) Aug 14 10:03:31 ? Aug 14 10:03:48 people have made calls with it already though Aug 14 10:04:05 That's good, I suppose Aug 14 10:04:24 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_will_it_do.3F Aug 14 10:04:25 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Developer_preview Aug 14 10:04:55 power management is not there, so except something like 4h (not sure if this is right number, could be 2-3h only) Aug 14 10:06:06 Damn Aug 14 10:06:08 Dark_Apostrophe: hard to estimate when it would be usable ;-) Aug 14 10:06:14 Let's hope my nokia lasts a few months more Aug 14 10:06:27 Well, KDE made a rough estimate that their second beta would be during summer ;) Aug 14 10:06:28 depends on what you mean, for example recording gps tracks its hopefully usable now Aug 14 10:06:43 (just some hours ago found certain not * . tar file ;-) Aug 14 10:06:47 I don't need a date/time, but maybe season/year Aug 14 10:07:07 well, consumer version is supposed to be out October, so ... Aug 14 10:07:13 Cool Aug 14 10:07:33 Will it have a lower price? (please say yes ;)) Aug 14 10:07:38 though I doubt that date, but late this year or early next year it could very well do basic phone/gprs/etc.. stuff Aug 14 10:07:47 faq Aug 14 10:07:47 See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) Aug 14 10:07:47 Ok Aug 14 10:08:08 Well, thanks :) Aug 14 10:08:21 Good luck with your project, and adios. :) Aug 14 10:08:32 above has links to what is different in this and GTA02 version, price, etc.. Aug 14 10:08:56 Ok, thanks. And bye. (g2g) Aug 14 10:19:47 Hello! Aug 14 10:23:25 hi J-23 Aug 14 10:26:24 \o Aug 14 10:28:08 hmm... Aug 14 10:32:50 hello Aug 14 10:33:19 just a quick question, when the wiki says to copy the modules to the system, how should I do it ? Aug 14 10:33:19 lukhas_nowhere: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Aug 14 10:33:51 lukhas_nowhere, scp for example Aug 14 10:33:53 umm.. what page says that? if you use suitable rootfs, no need for that Aug 14 10:34:20 I think lukhas_nowhere is reading the old pages about flashing & rootfs Aug 14 10:34:20 (or what xkr47 said for stuff not included) Aug 14 10:34:47 I recall seeing "copy modules in place.. for newer versions this is probably not needed" somewhere on the wiki Aug 14 10:35:07 I have some "can't find module" errors at boot Aug 14 10:35:42 hmm.. #3780 has received Neo1973 Aug 14 10:35:46 the uname says 2.6.21.6-moko11 and the /lib/modules only contains 2.6.something-moko10 Aug 14 10:36:47 2.6.21.3-moko10 Aug 14 10:37:11 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/?C=M;O=D linked from [[SH1]] Aug 14 10:37:31 lukhas_nowhere, aloril is saying your rootfs is probably older than the kernel Aug 14 10:37:40 and that you should check the link he provided for newer ones Aug 14 10:37:46 ok Aug 14 10:37:53 I'll check Aug 14 10:38:50 or http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2 Aug 14 10:38:56 how can I know what kernel version a given rootfs is for ? Aug 14 10:39:09 that means you flashed the wrong one Aug 14 10:39:23 * aloril thinks leaked gllin doesn't work with 2007.2? Aug 14 10:39:47 It's a binary format problem. Aug 14 10:39:49 if you are using 2.6.21.6-moko11 with moko10 modules Aug 14 10:40:27 I believer it may work in a chroot of 2007.1 - thyough it'll only need a couple of libs Aug 14 10:40:53 lukhas_nowhere, unfortunately there isn't any good way currently Aug 14 10:41:19 you just have to try to combine kernel & rootfs with file timestamps close together Aug 14 10:41:23 lukhas_nowhere: generally you flash a matching rootfs+kernel... Aug 14 10:41:40 ok Aug 14 10:41:43 ScaredyCat, but you only see if it's matching after you use it :P Aug 14 10:41:52 no Aug 14 10:41:55 ScaredyCat, the filenames don't say which are matching Aug 14 10:41:59 you use your noggin Aug 14 10:42:09 what nonsense!?! Aug 14 10:42:15 uImage-2.6.21.6-moko11-r1_0_0_2678_0-fic-gta01.bin Aug 14 10:42:38 noggin = alcohol ?--) Aug 14 10:43:00 if you like ;) Aug 14 10:43:31 SpeedEvil: ah, yeah, though of course best is if negotiations finally end Aug 14 10:43:39 Indeed. Aug 14 10:43:52 ok, found a newer rootfs, seems I wasn't using the latest one as I thought Aug 14 10:43:53 lukhas_nowhere, if you get the wrong combination, then some functionality will not be there.. no bigger harm than that (at the moment at leat :) Aug 14 10:44:07 http://buildhost.automated.it/ Aug 14 10:44:19 What would be lovely would be an agreement - perhaps for a small fee - to use the AGPS servers. Aug 14 10:44:33 * ScaredyCat charges SpeedEvil a small fee Aug 14 10:44:54 Neo1973 is only 1m away from windows, but got only occasional fix Aug 14 10:45:18 :/ Aug 14 10:45:19 * aloril remembers somebody else saying similar stuff, is it normal? Aug 14 10:45:22 lead windows? Aug 14 10:45:36 Are you in a skyscraper? Aug 14 10:45:57 gllin -low 5 Aug 14 10:46:09 gllin -periodic 1 Aug 14 10:46:20 * ScaredyCat high 5's gllin Aug 14 10:46:34 2nd floor in 3 story house, it gets fix if I open window and put it to windowsill Aug 14 10:46:34 periodic 1 ? Aug 14 10:46:37 not 3 ? Aug 14 10:46:45 too fast? Aug 14 10:46:51 think so.. Aug 14 10:47:02 aloril: is it a 'low e' window? Aug 14 10:47:02 I only ever got anyhting useful from 3 Aug 14 10:50:11 * J-23 compiles OpenMoko for QEmu Aug 14 10:50:19 periodic 0 works Aug 14 10:50:46 what is 0 ? Aug 14 10:50:54 as fast as possible? Aug 14 10:50:57 yeah Aug 14 10:51:08 2.1s between fixes and then long pause Aug 14 10:52:32 still 'paused' ;-) Aug 14 10:53:09 ok, with the proper rootfs image it's no longer showing error messages :) Aug 14 10:54:02 SpeedEvil: don't know about window coating Aug 14 10:54:28 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko2007.2]] [[Wishlist:BuiltInScriptingLanguage]] Aug 14 10:56:07 IT WORKS!!! :D Aug 14 11:01:52 anybody tried recording sound? /etc/alsa/capture* work somewhat (arecord / dd) but result is noisy Aug 14 11:02:59 What I'd try. Aug 14 11:03:29 copy the stream to anohter system. Aug 14 11:03:31 aloril, I've had problems with arecord on a pc as well Aug 14 11:03:33 listen to it there. Aug 14 11:03:44 aloril, have you tried brec (in bplay package I think) ? Aug 14 11:04:07 SpeedEvil: did that, sounded worse than in Neo1973 itself ;-) Aug 14 11:04:07 And then try tweaking the mixer with alsamixer Aug 14 11:04:08 brec also has a bigger memory buffer so overruns don't happen so easily Aug 14 11:04:47 xkr47: not tried, thanks for hint Aug 14 11:05:16 SpeedEvil: hmm.. yeah, I guess so, I was just hoping somebody had already done it Aug 14 11:05:33 there's a shitload of mixer settings, I tell you :) Aug 14 11:05:39 indeed ;-) Aug 14 11:06:09 it would be nice with a picture describing how they are related :) Aug 14 11:06:41 There is onw. Aug 14 11:06:42 e Aug 14 11:06:59 ojn the audio subsystem page. Aug 14 11:07:10 Admittedly, it could do with external connections. Aug 14 11:07:22 the number of mixers on the record side is actually quite small Aug 14 11:08:08 btw, there is still no working gsmheadset.state Aug 14 11:08:31 Dmitry_Platonov: there is no working bluetooth, so its kind of hard to make one Aug 14 11:08:47 s/headset/handset/ Aug 14 11:08:48 Dmitry_Platonov meant: btw, there is still no working gsmhandset.state Aug 14 11:09:10 actually I confuse myself Aug 14 11:09:28 gsmhandset should work, and I guess is working for somepeople as they make calls Aug 14 11:10:00 sound output is via stereo speaker, not handset speaker. AFAIK Aug 14 11:10:22 Dmitry_Platonov: then change Amp Mode, the neo I did the state file on was broken Aug 14 11:11:09 XorA, I do not own one. :-/ May be, you make new one and ask people to test it? Aug 14 11:11:47 Dmitry_Platonov: I will when I get time, Im currently doing support work for other customers and internal project work Aug 14 11:12:25 I understand. Aug 14 11:15:40 How doesn't bluetooth work? Aug 14 11:16:00 As I understood it, you could configure the bluetooth device using the bluez* stuff Aug 14 11:16:29 I haven't tried, as I have no blueteeth. Aug 14 11:17:09 hey, I built 2007.2 Aug 14 11:18:21 btw, with lates 2007.2 build xrandr -o 1 does not works for me :-/ Aug 14 11:19:18 It was randomly killing X under 2007.1 for a while for me, then it stopped Aug 14 11:34:02 XorA: do you have GTA01B_v04 device? Aug 14 11:43:11 aloril: yes Aug 14 11:50:12 openmoko: 03njp * r2698 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-notify.c): Aug 14 11:50:12 openmoko: 2007-08-14 Neil J. Patel Aug 14 11:50:12 openmoko: * src/moko-notify.c: (moko_notify_check_brightness): Aug 14 11:50:12 openmoko: Set the brightness to highest when receiving a call. Aug 14 11:58:49 well, gllin can get date right even if it doesn't get actual fix Aug 14 11:59:52 * CM wonders if you really want to have the highest brightness at every call Aug 14 12:08:02 /home/moko> telnet 192.168.0.202 5005 Aug 14 12:08:02 Trying 192.168.0.202... Aug 14 12:08:05 Connected to 192.168.0.202. Aug 14 12:08:09 Escape character is '^]'. Aug 14 12:08:09 $PGLOR,RID,GLL,182,5,023*4D Aug 14 12:08:09 $GPGGA,120717.88,,,,,00,00,5.0,,M,-0.016105,M,-0.0060199,*65 Aug 14 12:08:09 $GPRMC,120717.88,V,,,,,,,140807,,,N*75 Aug 14 12:08:09 $GPGSV,3,1,10,09,42,270,32,18,33,294,28,26,68,156,32,29,57,150,32*78 Aug 14 12:08:09 $GPGSV,3,2,10,17,28,105,32,10,253,182,,28,38,056,,22,13,326,*49 Aug 14 12:08:11 oops sorry Aug 14 12:08:24 you hacked the gibson! Aug 14 12:08:41 Who manufactures the battery for the Neo? Aug 14 12:09:11 Hope it's not Matsuchita: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/08/14/nokia_overheating_battery/ Aug 14 12:10:09 or Sony :P Aug 14 12:10:14 Hehe Aug 14 12:12:22 Anyone get gsmd dying on a regular basis? Aug 14 12:22:40 * SpeedEvil considers the tradeoff between capacity, and going on fire occasionally. Aug 14 12:23:09 I've always liked fires, but preferably not in my pocket.. Aug 14 12:23:14 SpeedEvil: I rememeber vaguely you saying that we could do better than gllin does? Aug 14 12:23:55 In principle. Aug 14 12:24:04 In what way? Aug 14 12:24:48 It could be harnessed CM. Aug 14 12:24:50 for example getting fixes in worse places and/or getting more accurate fixes Aug 14 12:25:12 A little boiler next to the battery, and a steam generator. Aug 14 12:25:38 aloril: In principle, eventually yes. It's not going to be the case for some time yet though. Aug 14 12:25:45 aloril, DGPS, tight coupling with accelerometers, you name it Aug 14 12:25:54 accelerometers are almost useless. Aug 14 12:26:19 they are not Aug 14 12:26:23 You don't have phone orientation - which you also need. Aug 14 12:26:31 Dmitry_Platonov: yeah obviously, but I was thinking about better results when with HH chip only Aug 14 12:26:36 With regards to the direction of travel. Aug 14 12:26:40 anyone got ipforwarding trough bluetooth working? Aug 14 12:26:58 SpeedEvil: That's real steampunk ;) Aug 14 12:27:05 SpeedEvil: well, if you get 9.8m/s² then you know the direction :) Aug 14 12:27:17 Potential for chip-only improvements is limited somwehat possibly. Aug 14 12:27:21 No, you don't. Aug 14 12:27:22 err /s/s Aug 14 12:27:40 okay, you can make a very good _guess ;) Aug 14 12:28:15 There have been a number of cases of planes flying into the ground accidentally, inverted, pulling -2G, because the pilots diddn't notice they were not upright. Aug 14 12:28:37 honestly, my phone by then is the least of my concerns :P Aug 14 12:29:30 Accelerometers - the best currently available ones - help in one case that I've worked out. Aug 14 12:29:46 When the phone is locked into a car holder, in fixed orientation compared to the car. Aug 14 12:30:36 This can actually give reasonable dead-reckoning for several tens of seconds, assuming that the car does not do drifts, there is a close correlation between side-side accelleration, and turning. Aug 14 12:31:09 SpeedEvil: I can see one case where accelerometer could help: sudden jump in position (though heuristics could help here too) Aug 14 12:31:14 With the accelerometers mentioned on the mailing list, you can do only under several seconds. Aug 14 12:31:36 It can only give you distance though. Aug 14 12:31:50 And that's distance, assuming that you remained on a horizontal surface. Aug 14 12:32:00 And that the phone remained in a constant orientation. Aug 14 12:32:19 It can indeed rule out bogons from the GPS data. Aug 14 12:32:25 As that's much easier. Aug 14 12:32:34 wouldn't one accelerometer on each axis help there? Aug 14 12:32:41 No. Aug 14 12:32:43 hang on. Aug 14 12:33:08 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_Fundamentals Aug 14 12:33:31 What you can in theory do with 2 3-axis accelerometers. Aug 14 12:33:45 And what is doable in practice with the best currently available ones. Aug 14 12:37:28 cjb: I'm thinking about adding mention to counter page about definitely_not_gllin.tar (currently considering b): a) no mention b) make it something like "at irc gllin was leaked as definitely_not_gllin.tar, search irc logs" c) link to it Aug 14 12:38:14 cjb: what do you say? (definitely won't do 'c)' without your permission) Aug 14 12:38:29 hi chaps Aug 14 12:38:54 say, what's wrong if i get "+CME ERROR: 3" after every AT+COPS=? ? Aug 14 12:38:55 philip: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Aug 14 12:39:29 accelerometers can increase robustness and accuracy, esp. with post-processing. Aug 14 12:39:34 philip: tried again? Aug 14 12:39:53 discard above ;-) Aug 14 12:39:55 yep Aug 14 12:40:17 ATT SIM? Aug 14 12:40:18 (my simcard has pin disabled) Aug 14 12:40:24 nope, an austrian provider Aug 14 12:40:25 prepaid Aug 14 12:40:32 3G card? Aug 14 12:40:38 Dmitry_Platonov: To a limited extent - yes. Or much more if you can guarantee stuff about the orientation of teh phone. Aug 14 12:40:39 nope Aug 14 12:41:12 SpeedEvil: is a magic-wand ui possible/feasible ? Aug 14 12:41:28 SpeedEvil, right. But we must use what we have. Aug 14 12:41:45 True. Aug 14 12:41:58 khaije1: basically - you have a measurement of 'down' quite accurately. Aug 14 12:42:24 Think of it as a pendulumn, with no inertia. Aug 14 12:42:49 CM, aloril any hint what could trigger that error? Aug 14 12:43:17 Error 3? Aug 14 12:43:20 Not 13? Aug 14 12:43:33 sometimes it was 13 Aug 14 12:43:40 but i tried to readjust the simcard Aug 14 12:43:45 13 is 'can't read SIM' IIRC Aug 14 12:43:47 now it is 3 Aug 14 12:44:07 will the neo have auto-tilt a la iphone? is this planned? j/w Aug 14 12:44:21 http://www.activexperts.com/activsms/sms/gsmerrorcodes/ Aug 14 12:44:24 yes. Aug 14 12:44:28 khaije1. Aug 14 12:44:31 SpeedEvil: i have that site open ;) Aug 14 12:44:35 3 is 'not permitted' Aug 14 12:44:36 +already Aug 14 12:44:47 thx again SpeedEvil :-) Aug 14 12:44:47 yeah, but what means not allowed/not permitted Aug 14 12:44:53 is this a simcard error? Aug 14 12:45:01 and on what condition does it raise that error? Aug 14 12:45:50 and 15 is, you are not lucky ... Aug 14 12:45:54 There are problems with some SIMS and the neo. Aug 14 12:46:04 There are problems with some SIMs and the neo. Aug 14 12:47:11 SpeedEvil: is there some documentation about that problem? Aug 14 12:47:31 but problem with some SIM is error 15 isn't it? Aug 14 12:47:35 !bug 666 Aug 14 12:47:40 or something like that :) Aug 14 12:49:20 philip: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=666 Aug 14 12:49:31  Aug 14 12:49:34 philip: not sure that you are concerned Aug 14 12:49:37 yeah, i'm reading Aug 14 12:50:35 hmm.. no idea if this could be related, but do you enter AT+CPIN="" line? (if not, what if you do; if you do, what if you don't) Aug 14 12:51:45 interesting Aug 14 12:51:52 ERror 3 Aug 14 12:52:00 if i use a wrong pin, i get 320 Aug 14 12:52:35 error 3 is with empty pin or no pin command at all? Aug 14 12:52:36 now i have 100 Aug 14 12:52:38 how much accurate is that? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_OpenMoko_from_scratch Aug 14 12:53:00 ok, i hope i didn't just lock my simcard... Aug 14 12:53:35 by the way, any idea why the touchscreen / the touchscreen calibration doesnt work? Aug 14 12:53:45 is it just the build i am using or doesnt it yet work at all? Aug 14 12:53:45 what do you mean by that? Aug 14 12:53:48 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Technical:Accelerometer_Fundamentals]] [[P1_Owners]] Aug 14 12:53:53 It seems to work OK for me. Aug 14 12:54:02 ok, so it is the build Aug 14 12:54:10 Or your hardware. Aug 14 12:54:12 since i get stuff on /dev/input/touchscreen0 Aug 14 12:54:21 but the x does not react to it Aug 14 12:54:47 do you use 2007.2 images? Aug 14 12:55:08 http://chooseopen.com/openmoko/build/openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070813013449.rootfs.jffs2 Aug 14 12:55:11 that one Aug 14 12:55:35 does it run calibration on first boot? Aug 14 12:56:10 it runs calibration on every boot Aug 14 12:56:19 but it seems that x doesn't receive events Aug 14 12:56:29 (though the input device spits something when doing cat) Aug 14 12:57:28 every boot? should do only once Aug 14 12:57:31 philip, that's strange. Aug 14 12:58:02 ok, the simcard still works w/o pin in my siemens/benq s68 Aug 14 12:58:21 Dmitry_Platonov: i also get some strange messages, i will try to post them Aug 14 12:58:54 * * OM Bug 704 has been created by schrock.brian(AT)gmail.com Aug 14 12:58:55 * * /etc/init.d/gsmd kills self. Aug 14 12:58:56 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=704 Aug 14 12:59:23 np: Goldie Lookin' Chain - Self Suicide. Aug 14 13:00:20 is there somewhere a spec of the gsm chip used? Aug 14 13:00:33 so that i can search on what conditions it throws this error? Aug 14 13:00:35 nope, and the firmware a NDA'ed binary blob anyway Aug 14 13:00:40 TI Calypso or so Aug 14 13:01:16 philip: you probably hit bug #666 Aug 14 13:01:48 philip: you can go to etsi and download the specs. Only certain ranges of these errors codes should be vendor specific Aug 14 13:02:48 rxr: i do not have 3g Aug 14 13:02:53 i have a prepaid 2g Aug 14 13:02:56 by www.yesss.at Aug 14 13:03:03 philip: it is not 3g related Aug 14 13:03:17 philip: it is "2007 manufactored (read decent) SIM card related" Aug 14 13:03:34 gna Aug 14 13:03:49 well, my sim is a year old Aug 14 13:03:51 or two Aug 14 13:06:35 ah Aug 14 13:06:36 it say Aug 14 13:06:37 s Aug 14 13:06:42 my sim 5 years old Aug 14 13:06:43 "could not open tslib config file" Aug 14 13:06:44 :P Aug 14 13:07:41 /usr/share/tslib/ts-2.6.conf is not there Aug 14 13:08:13 SpeedEvil: That GLC song is truly great.. Probably funniest ever Aug 14 13:08:35 philip: try http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1 and from there http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/?C=M;O=D Aug 14 13:08:44 yay, we can have Adventure on Neo1973 Aug 14 13:09:05 aloril: i'd rather like to generate that config file Aug 14 13:09:06 SpeedEvil: Charm school is also one of my favourites.. :) Aug 14 13:09:13 i am already using the latest build ;) Aug 14 13:11:46 or could just someone give me that config file? Aug 14 13:13:03 !ombug 666 Aug 14 13:13:03 * * Bug 666, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown Aug 14 13:13:05 * * steven.demetrius(AT)fiwwi.com: 3G SIM capability Aug 14 13:13:06 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=666 Aug 14 13:13:45 hehe, that is a nice bug number Aug 14 13:13:49 philip: /etc/pointercal is touch screen calibration file Aug 14 13:14:19 aloril: that isnt there too Aug 14 13:15:07 but ts_* commands complain about a missing /usr/share/tslib/ts-2.6.conf in strace Aug 14 13:15:09 yeah, that is generated during first boot when using image I 'linked' to (or you can run calibration program manually) Aug 14 13:16:14 ( /usr/bin/xtscal ) Aug 14 13:16:52 i do get the calibration screen on boot Aug 14 13:20:48 in my case, response to AT+COPS is "ERROR 32" (network not allowed - emergency calls only) Aug 14 13:21:21 ant AT+COPS=? give me "ERROR 15" (SIM wrong) Aug 14 13:21:30 philip: /usr/share/tslib/ts-2.6.conf: "module_raw input grab_events=1\nmodule pthres pmin=1\nmodule variance delta=30\nmodule dejitter delta=100\nmodule linear\n" Aug 14 13:21:36 is this the #666 bug? Aug 14 13:21:37 thanks Aug 14 13:21:50 (and some other commented lines) Aug 14 13:24:26 niclone: could be Aug 14 13:25:14 works like a charm now Aug 14 13:25:22 seems that someone forgot that file in the latest build Aug 14 13:26:14 haha ... the x window manager just openend on my desktop Aug 14 13:26:17 i love it :)) Aug 14 13:27:50 niclone: I am not an expert, but the I was experiencing errors just reading the SIM chip. Aug 14 13:28:08 niclone: It looks like your SIM chip was read, just not allowed on the network. Aug 14 13:28:50 but it work on others mobiles Aug 14 13:29:51 ok, in the build i have seems to be a lot of incomplete shit Aug 14 13:29:53 i also hava error 13 on AT+CIMI :( seem to be #666 :( Aug 14 13:30:07 what image is recommended? and do i need to downgrade the kernel too? Aug 14 13:30:47 all images are incomplete, best is to open an editor and start contributing :-) Aug 14 13:31:07 nah, there is nothing in the themes directory and such Aug 14 13:31:18 i'd like to contribute, but appaeringly, there is already something like a gui Aug 14 13:31:31 and i'd like to have a look at that before i start reinventing the wheel ;) Aug 14 13:31:41 lol Aug 14 13:31:50 ffffffffff Aug 14 13:32:49 seriously, that 08-13 image seems to be lacking very essential stuff Aug 14 13:33:17 tslib config, theme directory ... sucks ;) Aug 14 13:37:04 philip, it's lacking that because it *is* lacking that Aug 14 13:38:00 ruoso: i do not understand ... there are screenshots Aug 14 13:38:13 (with a themed interface) Aug 14 13:38:40 philip, that probably is old and prototype-only Aug 14 13:38:55 and appaerantly, aloril had a tslib.conf ... which i didn't Aug 14 13:39:17 the new interface 2007.2 (see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing) is completely different from previous versions Aug 14 13:39:30 philip: used these: openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070803091138.rootfs.jffs2 uImage-2.6.21.6-moko11-r1_0_0_2388_0-fic-gta01.bin Aug 14 13:40:19 aloril, could you please add your experience with this images to the link above? Aug 14 13:40:24 now... calling doesn't work with that image Aug 14 13:41:02 calling doesn't work properly in any of them :) Aug 14 13:41:19 the closer I got was having to do a alsactl -f ... restore to hear the call Aug 14 13:41:28 well it works, but sound is off, tried once with gsmheadset.working.state restore file from linked from [[Manually_using_GSM]] too Aug 14 13:42:16 s/off/loud/ Aug 14 13:42:16 aloril meant: well it works, but sound is loud, tried once with gsmheadset.working.state restore file from linked from [[Manually_using_GSM]] too Aug 14 13:42:31 I can live with tinning for the moment. Aug 14 13:42:34 oops Aug 14 13:42:38 the last image in that link (20070813) has the sound settings good Aug 14 13:42:56 (see the review I wrote, it helps ) Aug 14 13:42:59 :) Aug 14 13:47:05 gahh!1 Aug 14 13:57:15 openmoko: 03njp * r2699 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c): Aug 14 13:57:15 openmoko: 2007-08-14 Neil J. Patel Aug 14 13:57:15 openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_keypad_pin_entry), (on_pin_requested): Aug 14 13:57:15 openmoko: Set the correct UI options when the pin is requested. Aug 14 13:57:15 openmoko: After sending the pin out, re-request registration. Aug 14 14:03:54 * * OM Bug 705 has been created by ace(AT)sannes.org Aug 14 14:03:55 * * gsmd quits Aug 14 14:03:56 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=705 Aug 14 14:06:32 btw, is there some sort of package management on openmoko? Aug 14 14:06:47 how do timezone work on the neo? Aug 14 14:06:54 philip, shure ipkg Aug 14 14:09:03 mdt: just like on any other glibc based system? install enough timezone fies Aug 14 14:09:21 ah, great Aug 14 14:09:28 (script) planet: Holger "zecke" Freyther: Chaos Camp Update http://zecke.blogspot.com/2007/08/chaos-camp-update.html Aug 14 14:09:59 aloril: would you mind checking if you have a /usr/share/themes/Default/matchbox on your system and which packet provides it? Aug 14 14:11:44 ipkg search /usr/share/themes/Default/matchbox/acceptbutton.xpm Aug 14 14:11:44 matchbox-wm - 1.1-r1 - /usr/share/themes/Default/matchbox/acceptbutton.xpm Aug 14 14:14:24 zecke, arn't the files in the flash image? Aug 14 14:18:55 good morning Aug 14 14:20:18 guten morgen Aug 14 14:21:43 what command do I run to calibrate the touchscreen? Aug 14 14:22:09 After flashing a new kernel my u-boot says "NAND read failed" and "s3c2410_nand_correct_data: not implemented" and then of corse crc-checksum error... Anyone know what to do ? Aug 14 14:22:27 ... this is when reading the kernel from nand to ram ! Aug 14 14:22:30 ts_calibrate? Aug 14 14:22:34 mdt: maybe not all, glibc has huge timezone files Aug 14 14:23:08 ah, yeah, that's it Aug 14 14:23:10 thanks DukeOfURL Aug 14 14:24:30 I used dfu-util to flash the kernel Aug 14 14:24:41 openmoko: 03njp * r2700 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c): Aug 14 14:24:41 openmoko: 2007-08-14 Neil J. Patel Aug 14 14:24:41 openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_keypad_pin_entry): Aug 14 14:24:41 openmoko: Set the reg_request and registered variables as FALSE before requesting Aug 14 14:24:41 openmoko: reg again. Aug 14 14:25:44 hm, what's the current/recommended kernel version? i flashed 2.6.21.6-moko11 some days ago but the modules from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.04/ are 2.6.20.7-moko8. Aug 14 14:27:03 mdt: not sure who is building them but if you want bleeding-edge try the images from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing Aug 14 14:35:10 1.0.13 isn't it :) Aug 14 14:40:33 Anyone know if gllin is available somewhere in the greyer areas of internet ? Aug 14 14:41:37 * xkr47 slaps frma_ :P Aug 14 14:44:47 ~gllin Aug 14 14:47:14 i have 11mb of my 512mb sd card full Aug 14 14:47:20 now it tells me "no space left on device" Aug 14 14:47:21 any ideas? Aug 14 14:47:39 are you creating lots of files in the root directory? Aug 14 14:47:50 To restate. Aug 14 14:47:52 ops Aug 14 14:50:52 SpeedEvil: nope, just /media/disk Aug 14 14:51:00 * /media/card Aug 14 14:54:04 openmoko: 03njp * r2701 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c): Aug 14 14:54:04 openmoko: 2007-08-14 Neil J. Patel Aug 14 14:54:04 openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_keypad_pin_entry), (moko_dialer_dispose): Aug 14 14:54:04 openmoko: Reset variables for registration. Aug 14 14:54:04 openmoko: Remove some old code. Aug 14 14:54:09 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] Aug 14 14:56:48 (script) openmoko-neo1973: Harald Welte Re: Debug Board JTAG Programming with openocd Aug 14 14:57:10 which ipkg feed should i use? Aug 14 14:57:31 the ones i found seem to have either not much packages (buildhost) or are old (download) Aug 14 14:58:09 and the Packages.gz are broken , too Aug 14 15:11:46 * lukhas_nowhere is back Aug 14 15:16:53 can i read about the ce certification of neo somewhere? Aug 14 15:23:32 tuukah it should be on the wiki Aug 14 15:23:51 -> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1_FAQ Aug 14 15:24:04 -> Has the Neo1973 been through any FCC/CE Certification Aug 14 15:25:14 It is. Aug 14 15:25:17 Oh Aug 14 15:25:26 I seem to recall seeing a CE mark. Aug 14 15:25:33 hehe Aug 14 15:25:38 i think it was only on the battery Aug 14 15:25:45 i'd like to read something more than "fcc certification was almost done" Aug 14 15:25:45 CE marking is a different concept. Aug 14 15:25:53 You don't actually need to do any testing at all. Aug 14 15:25:58 this debug board sucks ass Aug 14 15:26:12 You have to backup if challenged that it was compliant though. Aug 14 15:26:12 you can go to fcc.gov for the FCC results on the neo Aug 14 15:26:58 there was no conformity docs with mine Aug 14 15:27:05 not necessary for "development" Aug 14 15:27:37 yes underneath the battery i can see the CE sign, but does that mean the phone fulfills all EU requirements for radio devices? Aug 14 15:28:31 I don't think it meets EC requirements because, forex, it has no statement of conformity. Aug 14 15:28:58 but since it is a development device, i think it MAY be except Aug 14 15:29:08 yowch... you guys seen the competition? Aug 14 15:29:11 http://alp.access-company.com/index.html Aug 14 15:30:00 that's the palm platform, isn't it? Aug 14 15:30:05 I'm guessing its not open Aug 14 15:30:20 core team says there is no competition ;) Aug 14 15:30:35 http://www.motorola.com/content.jsp?globalObjectId=8411 Aug 14 15:30:39 juco, nope, linux base, palm compat layer on top, all your old 68k apps still work Aug 14 15:30:58 is another linux phone platform Aug 14 15:31:01 also not open Aug 14 15:31:09 writchie heh, i hope the core team is right Aug 14 15:31:18 BryceLeo, I meant, its the platform that palm says they will use Aug 14 15:32:05 juco, not necessairily, but that's probably what will happen, plam is licencing the compatiblity layer but the OS itself is not offically chosen yet. Last i heard they were toying with making their own Aug 14 15:33:39 ah Aug 14 15:33:47 i think it's interesting, i doubt they could match the speed at which openmoko can change and advance, but it'll keep things interesting for sure Aug 14 15:34:08 its not really relevant to OpenMoko Aug 14 15:34:54 at least, not it doesn't have the component that I find key in OpenMoko Aug 14 15:34:56 juco it's relavant to wide spread acceptance Aug 14 15:35:09 BryceLeo: that looks nice Aug 14 15:35:13 acceptance of what? Aug 14 15:35:30 Linux as a phone platform? Aug 14 15:35:48 motomagx is already in use on several handsets Aug 14 15:35:54 by the cell companies juco, they want you to pay for ringtones, pay for ringbacks the whole 9, pay for everythying possible, with an open phoen they lose ringtone revenue, lose possibly sms and mms revenue Aug 14 15:35:57 I think samsung has one as well Aug 14 15:36:11 oh, but Access isn't open, is it? Aug 14 15:36:14 scardycat it's pretty, that's for sure Aug 14 15:36:37 if you get a Access powered phone, it wouldn't be open for modification, would it? Aug 14 15:36:43 BryceLeo: they loose nothing Aug 14 15:36:47 BryceLeo: yeah but if the 'phone companies are clever they'll use openmoko to find new revenue streams Aug 14 15:36:55 BryceLeo: joe user continue to be dump enough to buy ringtones and crappy games ... Aug 14 15:37:23 rxr come on, on OM it'll be as simple as select the "ringtone" app, and put mp3's in x folder Aug 14 15:37:40 BryceLeo: thats a BS argument, no phone I ever owned required me to buy ringtones from the network, in that fashion they are all open Aug 14 15:37:43 BryceLeo: I can do the same on my Sony M600i ... Aug 14 15:37:45 why do you guys think that the Iphone is so closed? Aug 14 15:38:01 Because apple want to make as much profit as possible. Aug 14 15:38:02 they don't want you putting your own emulator on there they want you buying games from them Aug 14 15:38:12 And they percieve that as being the way. Aug 14 15:38:16 nonesnese Aug 14 15:38:18 I have to admit I think that the main reason that these 'phones are 'closed' is so that the 'phone companies do not lose revenue from voice/data calls Aug 14 15:38:26 XorA: ...but a lot of network-supplied phones have firmware preventing you sending ringtones to other people. Aug 14 15:38:27 sure, that's the current model, but BryceLeo, how is the Access platform any different? Aug 14 15:38:29 the iphone is closed because their software stack is so insecure Aug 14 15:38:39 everything run as root (as on the Moko btw. right now AFAICS) Aug 14 15:38:39 rxr *g* Aug 14 15:38:59 the day the iPhone is cracked open enough Apple will provide the SDK and make it more secure Aug 14 15:39:04 rxr running as root really isn't that insecure unless you run a poison binary Aug 14 15:39:06 it was the same with the Intel Macs ... Aug 14 15:39:23 first you could not run Windows, and the day they hacked windows to boot Apple released bootcamp ... :-) Aug 14 15:39:27 cjb_ie: not in the UK they dont Aug 14 15:39:27 BryceLeo: well that's easy... Aug 14 15:39:35 here download my new mega app Aug 14 15:39:43 Not really. Aug 14 15:39:47 juco, the access platfrom will get loaded by the manufacture so when you walk ito the store you can buy it, and there's that "linux" buzz word for the consumers Aug 14 15:39:49 Not if all the apps are signed by apple. Aug 14 15:39:56 XorA: Yes they do. Aug 14 15:40:01 XorA: you sure? vodafone, o2 are the biggest operators there, no? same as here (ireland) Aug 14 15:40:04 BryceLeo: every C junk has buffer insecurites to no avail ... Aug 14 15:40:16 orange do. Aug 14 15:40:18 Cap_J_L_Picard: well explain that NONE of the phones I owned ever had these restrictions Aug 14 15:40:19 it is just a matter of trying or reading source to find them Aug 14 15:40:21 so, is there a news OpenMoko 2007.2 to test today? Aug 14 15:40:24 Cap_J_L_Picard: or my wife owns Aug 14 15:40:45 rxr if you can pop a buffer you can run as root doesn't matter what the user is logged in as Aug 14 15:40:58 XorA: It depends on where you got the ringtone from, most do as the have DRM in the firmware. Aug 14 15:41:08 I have to agree with XorA ... I've never had a phone that wouldn;t let me beam stuff to other people Aug 14 15:41:30 BryceLeo, yet another Linux phone platform: http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9574250494.html Aug 14 15:41:31 xora look at the new lg phones you used to be able to put in a micro sd card and use any mp3as a ring tone, on the new firmware, not so much Aug 14 15:41:40 that's what Samsung is using in some phones Aug 14 15:41:40 * XorA has never owned a phone either with a ringtone format that had DRM Aug 14 15:41:51 it matters if all your stuff runs ans root and can read/write abbr. memory ... :-)( Aug 14 15:42:00 XorA: Most accept mp3s too ;) Aug 14 15:42:28 Mine has DRM on it, but I bluetooth my own mp3s to it. Aug 14 15:42:45 i just think that it's interesting and "open enough" to keep an eye out for Aug 14 15:43:35 with transparent dev OM will always be more secure and change faster so it always has an advantage Aug 14 15:43:39 anrp: you did a win32 dfu util? Aug 14 15:43:41 but it's still interesting Aug 14 15:44:41 networks will always get their ring-tone money, because they get it from the people too stupid to work their phones and just want to click on a wap page Aug 14 15:45:03 true Aug 14 15:45:12 xora or kids watching ring tones advertising Aug 14 15:45:30 right, but one person who can work out how to end a ringtone by bluetooth could lose them the revenue of twenty others buying it again Aug 14 15:45:40 woglinde: thats the market I was thinking of, the days of the h4x0r kids is gone Aug 14 15:45:54 how is it any different than $2/ liter water Aug 14 15:46:02 if mobile phones had existed when I was in school Id have made money selling kids ringtones Aug 14 15:46:14 I suspect that as data charges disappear a lot of kids will start to get most of their music downloaded to their 'phone so at that stage the ringtones come for 'free' Aug 14 15:46:40 he there are software like ringtone-maker Aug 14 15:47:41 and I see the sms spam services are upto 9 GBP a week in the UK and people still pay Aug 14 15:47:54 lol Aug 14 15:48:03 so plenty of money even with a freed phone Aug 14 15:48:17 because inherently some people will buy what they are told to buy Aug 14 15:48:29 if you make stuff idiot proof, nature makes a better idiot Aug 14 15:48:35 anyway enough of my rants, time to catch train :-) Aug 14 15:48:41 @find nirayel Aug 14 15:49:40 I don't have my phone with me or a totally working qemu... anyone wanna test a gsmd init script I attached to bug 704 ? Aug 14 15:49:58 alrighty all, that was a rousing chat i'm off to lucnh Aug 14 15:57:16 does it actually speed up things if the USB transfer size is upped? Aug 14 16:04:36 wow, this really is a special device Aug 14 16:04:57 a coworker just asked me if you can rotate the screen Aug 14 16:05:04 and I said -- I dunno Aug 14 16:05:20 so I opened a terminal, typed xrandr, and yup - you certainly can Aug 14 16:05:25 :) Aug 14 16:05:26 hell openmoko'ers .. Aug 14 16:05:28 of course you can Aug 14 16:05:32 i just got my box. nice! ;) Aug 14 16:05:37 grats Aug 14 16:06:20 torpor have fun Aug 14 16:06:28 hi thomasg Aug 14 16:07:00 what to do next .. Aug 14 16:07:37 flash image? Aug 14 16:07:41 yeah Aug 14 16:07:43 or build one .. ? Aug 14 16:07:44 torpor: I got mine last night. Aug 14 16:07:56 it takes a while to build Aug 14 16:08:08 so I would flash a binary first, just so you can see it run Aug 14 16:08:10 Hardest part was opening the back to put in the battery. Aug 14 16:08:13 whats the fastest way to a build environment then? those vmware images or something? Aug 14 16:08:27 what os are you running? Aug 14 16:08:31 mac osx Aug 14 16:08:32 openmokomakefile is really fast. Aug 14 16:08:35 i have parallels desktop Aug 14 16:08:40 and i could get the vmware player. Aug 14 16:08:49 bschrock, really? Aug 14 16:08:56 it took hours and hours for it to run on my system Aug 14 16:09:00 and its a fast computer Aug 14 16:09:02 bschrock: got the makefile .. not sure if its gonna work on osx yet though .. bviously that'd be my first choice. Aug 14 16:09:25 talking about the makefile, has it been updated for 2007.2? Aug 14 16:09:30 Well it takes a fair amount of time, I set it up yesterday and then came back in this morning and everything was done. Aug 14 16:09:40 yeah, you call that fast? Aug 14 16:09:44 lol Aug 14 16:09:56 ixs, afaik not. however - you can use the nslu2 makefile (google) Aug 14 16:10:08 but is it worth running on osx or should i get a linux vm image and go that route first? Aug 14 16:10:27 thomasg__: thx. I'd like to try out .2 and the wiki is a bit short on info... Aug 14 16:10:35 for me is speed-to-developer-environment important, because i don't have net access for the next 2 days .. just a few hours .. so i want to take something with me i can hack an openmoko app together with .. Aug 14 16:10:40 torpor, imho you should install linux on your machine :) Aug 14 16:11:01 so can, or can't the GTA01 make calls? Aug 14 16:11:05 thomasg: I was hoping it wasn't going to go there! Aug 14 16:11:15 Hmm... so I dfu-util'ed the u-boot partition with a kernel image but the Neo seems to still be okay, it boots and everything. Should I put a 'proper' u-boot on there or is it okay? Aug 14 16:11:16 thomasg__: i run linux. in a parallels sandbox. Aug 14 16:11:17 bschrock, why not? Aug 14 16:11:21 because i also code for osx. Aug 14 16:11:24 mintee: You can make calls, just does not work well. Aug 14 16:11:52 jgm, dfu-util should keep you from installing a kernel over uboot Aug 14 16:11:53 thomasg: Just playing, but that was exactly what I thought too. Just did not want to see an os war break out. Aug 14 16:11:56 so its probably ok Aug 14 16:12:04 torpor, I just cannot believe why people want a open phone, but not a open computer! Aug 14 16:12:31 It seemed to try for a while then run out of space, which looks like it tried. Hard to tell without doing a complete cold-boot and not sure I want to do that just yet Aug 14 16:12:56 bschrock, ok thanks Aug 14 16:13:25 thomasg__: show me a computer that is 100% open, and as sexy as a macbook, and i'll run it. Aug 14 16:13:32 The dfu-util output looked like this: http://pastebin.ca/657083 Aug 14 16:13:42 for me, form-factor trumps any ideology issue. computers are for using, not putting on t-shirts. Aug 14 16:14:12 jgm, you may want a second opinion, but I think that means it didn't flash Aug 14 16:14:16 but thats just me. i respect your opinion. i also am an open source coder. i have run linux since the days of the minix-list. just, these days, i run linux mostly under virtualization, first and foremost, anyway. as a production system. Aug 14 16:14:31 juco: thanks. Anyone want to venture a second opinion? Aug 14 16:14:40 one day i might just do the full-linux laptop main environment, but for now my linux use is in devices .. such as openmoko (and gp2x, and zaurus, and i-opener) .. Aug 14 16:15:05 anyway, i guess i'm gonna do the makefile under ubuntu approach .. Aug 14 16:15:05 mhm. The gta01bv4 I have here is shutting down after 30sek in uboot. Is it possible to disable that? Aug 14 16:15:15 .. and hope it finishes before i have no more network. Aug 14 16:15:19 you can flash your uboot Aug 14 16:15:22 ixs: press Aux key from time to time Aug 14 16:15:24 torpor: I think I remember seeing osx instructions for prepping OS X. Aug 14 16:15:31 or start flashing before 30 seconds Aug 14 16:16:00 lukhas_nowhere's suggestion is a lot safer if you don't have a debug board Aug 14 16:16:08 lukhas_nowhere: no cookie for you. pressing aux or flashing before is not an option as it also seems to shutdown during an usb serial session. Aug 14 16:16:18 torpor: There is a wiki link, but the page is empty. Aug 14 16:16:28 juco: got the debug board, so flashing is fine with me Aug 14 16:16:28 can anyone here help me debug the GSM connection ? I succeeded only once in making a phone call, and never managed to make it work again :/ Aug 14 16:16:33 its why i'm pestering #openmoko .. ;) Aug 14 16:16:46 okay i'll just occupy myself in the meantime with flashing this first .. Aug 14 16:18:18 torpor, what's so "sexy" on your macbook? the color? Aug 14 16:18:38 lukhas_nowhere, Is gsmd daemon running. Aug 14 16:18:44 i'm guessing the shiny 3D-ness of OS-X Aug 14 16:19:03 lukhas_nowhere, I have noticed it will start once, then because the init script is messed up gsmd will fail to start after that. Aug 14 16:19:12 bschrock: I think it is, since it showed "success" at boot Aug 14 16:19:14 maybe it's his donkey all shiny, lubed and ready for Steve Aug 14 16:19:25 oh, I'll check then Aug 14 16:19:32 lukhas_nowhere, That means nothing, the init script is messed up, if you want I have a new one attached to bug 304... Aug 14 16:19:38 thomasg__: the formfactor, physically. it fits. Aug 14 16:19:39 ok Aug 14 16:19:40 argh.... I mean bug 704 Aug 14 16:19:47 I'll ssh on it and check, then Aug 14 16:20:13 ssh over usb rulez, btw :) Aug 14 16:20:26 torpor, there are dozends of 10/11/12/13" notebooks Aug 14 16:20:54 they are all crap Aug 14 16:20:58 bschrock: there is "gsmd -p /dev/ttySAC0 -s 115200 -F" running Aug 14 16:21:18 lukhas_nowhere, libgsmtool -m shell Aug 14 16:21:21 but the gsmd start is a lot faster now than it was the first time I plugged my SIM card in it Aug 14 16:21:24 lukhas_nowhere, can you do all that? Aug 14 16:21:26 i have macbook pro 17". show me (i beg you) a laptop just as nice. Aug 14 16:21:30 i'll switch. Aug 14 16:21:38 bschrock: all what ? Aug 14 16:21:45 "Can't connect to gsmd" Aug 14 16:21:55 aha, so it's running, but not really then :) Aug 14 16:22:18 lukhas_nowhere, Yeah, so kill it and restart it. Aug 14 16:23:16 stopped && startted, libgsm now takes some time before answering Aug 14 16:23:32 ah, it's apparently connected Aug 14 16:23:48 at least I'm no longer in a shell Aug 14 16:24:14 lukhas_nowhere: type a ? Aug 14 16:24:25 just done, got a help message Aug 14 16:24:29 lukhas_nowhere, unless you know how to use the libgsm-tool -m shell already. Aug 14 16:24:39 lukhas_nowhere: type R Aug 14 16:24:42 I don't, just found the wiki page Aug 14 16:24:56 lukhas_nowhere, and after that type D12345555555 Aug 14 16:25:01 lukhas_nowhere, that should call someone Aug 14 16:25:09 no PIN to enter ? Aug 14 16:25:21 lukhas_nowhere, I am in USA, I did not have to but you might. Aug 14 16:25:39 yay! tracking number! Aug 14 16:25:51 I will probably have to Aug 14 16:26:08 (I'm in France) Aug 14 16:26:28 lukhas_nowhere, Ahhh. that explains needing the PIN then. Aug 14 16:26:37 Outgoing call process : UNKNOWN, PROCEED, SYNC, ALERT, in this order Aug 14 16:27:02 * philip slaps torpor around a bit with a large rubber chicken Aug 14 16:27:08 * torpor goes waah. Aug 14 16:27:45 lukhas_nowhere: Is that normal call flow? Aug 14 16:28:07 given the phone number I'd think so, trying with a proper phone number Aug 14 16:28:23 proper as in "French" :) Aug 14 16:28:51 lukhas_nowhere: French phone numbers are different? :-) They use hex or something? Aug 14 16:28:53 ok, got a "CONNECTED" Aug 14 16:28:58 lukhas_nowhere: Sweet! Aug 14 16:29:00 bschrock: they are shorter :) Aug 14 16:30:10 and now DISCONNECT and RELASE, ok, the remote number hung up, that's normal Aug 14 16:30:27 so now it should work from the Dialer ? Aug 14 16:30:45 lukhas_nowhere: Maybe.... The GUI seems to get disconnected from reality if it does not work the first time. Aug 14 16:30:52 ah Aug 14 16:30:54 hmm Aug 14 16:32:04 lukhas_nowhere: Also be careful of how the audio is configured... Aug 14 16:32:20 bbl Aug 14 16:32:21 yeah, I had no sound last time Aug 14 16:33:28 lukhas_nowhere: Look at the alsactl /etc/alsa/ restore section in the wiki. Aug 14 16:34:03 ok Aug 14 16:34:22 which one should give me sound ? :) Aug 14 16:34:41 lukhas_nowhere: Hmmmm, maybe the gsmhandset one, I can;t remember Aug 14 16:34:45 stereoout works fine when I do cat foo.au > /dev/dsp Aug 14 16:34:58 k Aug 14 16:35:01 ok, even Aug 14 16:35:19 meow Aug 14 16:35:21 lukhas_nowhere: Yeah, but that audio is generated by the soc (?) and the phone call audio is generated via the gsm modem. Aug 14 16:36:09 oh, I see Aug 14 16:36:14 quite complicated Aug 14 16:36:40 though I doubt they had the choice :) Aug 14 16:36:54 Yeah, /sarcasm/ gotta keep the gsm modem closed or would all be able to see what our countries SEcret Services were doing. Aug 14 16:38:29 the headphones are weird Aug 14 16:39:57 oh, and there's an awful "beeep" sound coming out from the stereo headphones once I hang up Aug 14 16:40:11 but apart from that, seems to work, with libgsm-tool Aug 14 16:40:16 lukhas_nowhere: Congratulations you got audio! Aug 14 16:40:26 lukhas_nowhere: ;-) Aug 14 16:41:44 I got audio, not the one I expected, but still :) Aug 14 16:42:33 does phone audio work on the emulator? I enabled alsa when i built it but i don't know how to get it working. Aug 14 16:43:21 lukhas_nowhere, it's local feedback (known issue) because stereo speaker (must be handset speaker) is used in your handset.state Aug 14 16:43:53 Dmitry_Platonov: not sure I understood your sentence Aug 14 16:44:03 is that a kind of larsen ? Aug 14 16:44:46 lukhas_nowhere, yes. Aug 14 16:45:14 ok Aug 14 16:45:25 is there a known procedure to stop it ? Aug 14 16:45:54 it's quite horrible to hear, and my colleagues are trying to work here :) Aug 14 16:46:11 * Dmitry_Platonov not shure. read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem and play with alsamixer/alsactl Aug 14 16:47:06 if you want to stop it now, lower volume in alsamixer (not sure wich one) Aug 14 16:47:41 ok Aug 14 16:48:20 switching from stereoout to gsmhandset two or three times seems to work too Aug 14 16:48:26 but that's a bit hackish Aug 14 16:49:33 lukhas_nowhere, wait while somebody fix it 8) Aug 14 16:49:45 sounds like a good plan :) Aug 14 16:51:16 i guess i asked a stupid question Aug 14 16:51:47 or maybe no one knows the answer, which I why I couldn't answer Aug 14 16:52:16 aww, ok Aug 14 16:52:44 it also seems that about 3 people are talking at the moment and everyone else is sleeping ;) Aug 14 16:53:00 hey all... i've been having bad luck with the latest images linked too from the wiki Aug 14 16:53:10 should i just build my own, or are there some that are known to work Aug 14 16:53:22 yeah, good point: what image should i put on my new moko? Aug 14 16:53:28 (the unofficial one sort of worked, but was missing things like the keyboard) Aug 14 16:53:54 the non-unofficial one from 1 Aug is messed up in other ways Aug 14 16:54:01 error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: ELF file version does not match current one Aug 14 16:54:39 did you nand erase? Aug 14 16:54:48 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] [[User_talk:Hhf423]] Aug 14 16:54:52 jrockway non un-official... is that official? Aug 14 16:54:58 i don't think so Aug 14 16:55:01 dev.openmoko/tmp :) Aug 14 16:55:07 loading a smaller image after a larger one, or if you've touched the filesystem may cause this sort of corruption. Aug 14 16:55:15 ah, ok Aug 14 16:55:20 i will erase and try again Aug 14 16:55:21 thanks Aug 14 16:55:33 2007.2 or .1 ? Aug 14 16:57:19 hm, no I have no longer sound Aug 14 17:00:35 bschrock: your init script does not work for me, here Aug 14 17:00:42 (re. bug 704) Aug 14 17:01:23 lukhas_nowhere: What does it do? Aug 14 17:01:25 "72: Syntax error: Bad substitution" Aug 14 17:01:34 lukhas_nowhere: Let me look at it. Aug 14 17:02:06 lukhas_nowhere: I forgot a closing brace on that line Aug 14 17:02:22 indeed, fixed Aug 14 17:02:39 next error then :) Aug 14 17:02:52 $ /etc/init.d/gsmd start Aug 14 17:02:52 GSM device already on... Aug 14 17:02:52 Starting gsmd: /etc/init.d/gsmd: /etc/init.d/gsmd: 128: =: not found Aug 14 17:02:52 sh: 0: unknown operand Aug 14 17:02:55 Failure Aug 14 17:02:58 lukhas_nowhere: OK, got a new one uploaded. Aug 14 17:02:58 /etc/init.d/gsmd: return: 128: Illegal number: false Aug 14 17:03:13 lukhas_nowhere: The brace missing pretty much screws uo everything after that. Aug 14 17:03:57 ok Aug 14 17:04:36 I still get all the previous error stuff with your fixed version Aug 14 17:04:42 hmmm Aug 14 17:04:45 can you paste it... Aug 14 17:05:10 it's just a few lines above, do you want me to repaste it here ? Aug 14 17:05:27 hmmm Aug 14 17:05:28 no Aug 14 17:06:12 Does anyone here know how I can get a file onto the neo using qemu? Aug 14 17:06:38 Not using the usb stuff, cause gadgetfs does not work for somereason on my computer here. Aug 14 17:06:51 ssh from the qemu to the host should work, I think Aug 14 17:07:04 though I have no idea if that's usable at all Aug 14 17:07:14 you could inject your file into the image Aug 14 17:07:27 as a last resort Aug 14 17:07:34 yeah, mount the image with -o loop, should work too Aug 14 17:07:34 spliffy_: Yes, how do I do that? Aug 14 17:07:42 (not while being used by qemu!) Aug 14 17:07:46 Ahhh, yes, that is what I will do! Aug 14 17:07:46 sould be easy.. dunno Aug 14 17:08:39 okay .. two reboots later .. Aug 14 17:09:30 what does status=C mean in Openmoko Flasher? Aug 14 17:10:51 does it actually speed up things if the USB transfer size is upped? Aug 14 17:11:09 What type of filesystem does the jffs file contain? Aug 14 17:11:17 jffs2 :) Aug 14 17:11:28 that's a fs for flash devices Aug 14 17:11:46 probably not build by default on your kernel, not very surprising Aug 14 17:11:46 a new day, a new image... Aug 14 17:12:04 * hhf423 just ordered a new SIM and hopes that the Neo likes it Aug 14 17:12:51 bschrock: line 48, no $VAR when you assign stuff to VAR Aug 14 17:14:18 hmmm Aug 14 17:14:49 and that's GSMD_BIN, not GSM_BIN :) Aug 14 17:15:08 heh, my GSMD_PID is 1337 :) Aug 14 17:15:16 lukhas_nowhere: kewl Aug 14 17:15:17 ! Aug 14 17:15:36 lukhas_nowhere: At least your gsmd daemon is eleet! Aug 14 17:15:42 yeah indeed Aug 14 17:15:53 does anyone played with gps? Aug 14 17:15:54 Has anyone run into the following error when building glibc-intermediate-2.3.2+cvs20040726 in the 2007.2 build? *** These critical programs are missing or too old: gcc Aug 14 17:15:54 screenie or it didn't happen :D Aug 14 17:15:56 sound like it's lame at the moment Aug 14 17:15:58 got the boot menu .. (on osx) .. do i now set consule to USB (==DFU?) to do the flash? Aug 14 17:16:21 cat /dev/fb0 >/media/card/screen.raw Aug 14 17:16:46 torpor: jsut do the flash... Aug 14 17:16:55 you don;t need to do anyhting.. Aug 14 17:17:13 on my moko i see options: boot/setconsoletousb/setconsoletoserial/poweroff/bootfromsd/factoryreset. Aug 14 17:17:18 none of those == DFU 'mode' Aug 14 17:17:33 bschrock: I'll send you the fixed version of your script, there were quite a lot of bugs :) Aug 14 17:17:33 and if i just leave it at this menu and then tell the openmoko flahser to flash, it fails. Aug 14 17:17:34 because the act of pressing aux+power = dfu mode Aug 14 17:17:38 ah, i see. Aug 14 17:17:42 its in dfu mode, i get it. Aug 14 17:18:05 lukhas_nowhere: Give me a break, I had to do it all from memory. Aug 14 17:18:11 if you leave it too long it powers off Aug 14 17:18:16 okay now it is working Aug 14 17:18:21 i guess this takes some minutes, eh? Aug 14 17:18:25 ys Aug 14 17:18:27 yes Aug 14 17:18:32 and is there an image i should be using instead of 20070803091138? Aug 14 17:18:49 too late, its already on its way .. ;) Aug 14 17:19:04 10th is the newest iirc Aug 14 17:19:11 okay nice .. i'm on osx .. Aug 14 17:19:20 never mind... Aug 14 17:19:23 building openmokomakefile on parallels while the DFU update continues natively.. Aug 14 17:19:43 just wanna report that its possible to have two feet in both boats. ;) Aug 14 17:20:40 torpor: Only if you are a genetic freak... Aug 14 17:20:57 mutants rule! Aug 14 17:21:08 We want to live in peace! Aug 14 17:21:26 * ScaredyCat shreds mellon_ Aug 14 17:21:30 :') Aug 14 17:36:20 lukhas_nowhere: thank you for this fexes, I'll test it tonight and then attach it the bug. Aug 14 17:36:26 fexes==fixes Aug 14 17:38:32 fexes are cherman faxes ;) Aug 14 17:38:37 bschrock: you're welcome Aug 14 17:38:49 thanks for the first version :) Aug 14 17:39:13 hey guyes Aug 14 17:39:22 neeeeeeooooooooooooooooooooooo! Aug 14 17:39:24 just got back from a three week holiday and am now playing on my neo :) Aug 14 17:39:31 i got a tracking number! Aug 14 17:39:41 yikes! Aug 14 17:39:44 and it appears to be headed to the right place! Aug 14 17:39:50 people are *still* waiting ? Aug 14 17:40:04 some great stuff has been going on - what's the big news of the last three weeks? Aug 14 17:40:14 not much... Aug 14 17:40:38 still no scummvm :( Aug 14 17:41:05 ScaredyCat??? hm Aug 14 17:41:16 shouldnt be that hard Aug 14 17:41:55 dead chuffed I have some stuff working on it now :) Aug 14 17:41:57 where would be the right place to put a small script setting the default alsa state ? (headset, in my case) Aug 14 17:42:19 * andylockran would just like to say a big thankyou to Sean, Harald and everyone else! Aug 14 17:42:46 woglinde: someone is doing it, just slowly Aug 14 17:42:56 yeah, thanks to all participants of the project Aug 14 17:43:22 scaredycat hm arent the patches for the gp2x usefull? Aug 14 17:43:31 ScaredyCat: what is scummvm? Aug 14 17:43:58 summatusmentis a player/vm for old lucas arts game Aug 14 17:44:08 like monkey island or zack macracken Aug 14 17:44:32 day of tentankel Aug 14 17:44:35 and so on Aug 14 17:44:44 okay cool Aug 14 17:44:52 my moko is booted and the toolchain build is under way Aug 14 17:44:54 time for me to go. Aug 14 17:45:02 woglinde: oh... I thought it had something to do with openmoko Aug 14 17:45:06 bye torpor Aug 14 17:45:08 thanks for the help guys .. love my moko toy! gonna play for a few days, be back later. . Aug 14 17:45:30 summatusmentis it has ScaredyCat wants to run it on the neo Aug 14 17:45:33 scummvm = awesome Aug 14 17:45:53 yeah, I'm stuck with it on the 770 atm :( Aug 14 17:46:15 hmm, i can see that being a little awkward Aug 14 17:53:42 oh, I see Aug 14 18:01:53 Hai world! Aug 14 18:02:23 s/ai/ello/ Aug 14 18:02:24 D: Aug 14 18:04:21 anrp: you did a win32 dfu util? Aug 14 18:04:26 i did Aug 14 18:04:31 it won't work with the neo though Aug 14 18:04:33 anrp: Way to sed! =) Aug 14 18:04:38 cool, where would I find that? Aug 14 18:04:44 the default u-boot build has incorrect USB settings Aug 14 18:04:48 which choked up libusb-win32 Aug 14 18:04:51 ah, doh Aug 14 18:05:01 !ombug 701 Aug 14 18:05:02 * * Bug 701, Status: RESOLVED (DUPLICATE), Created: Unknown Aug 14 18:05:03 * * anrp(AT)mit.edu: bInterfaceNumber setting incorrect Aug 14 18:05:04 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=701 Aug 14 18:05:08 if you're interested Aug 14 18:05:24 but its resolved? Aug 14 18:05:29 as a duplicate Aug 14 18:05:34 laforge already knew about it Aug 14 18:05:41 good for him Aug 14 18:05:44 i don't think its fixed tho Aug 14 18:06:14 ah well, for the moment I have a ubunto live cd wich works fine for flashing Aug 14 18:07:26 if you really want one, i can probably hack libusb to work around it Aug 14 18:10:33 good evening Aug 14 18:10:41 * nox-Hand weeps at the continual 450 dollar price tag Aug 14 18:13:55 I was wondering, did anyone try to connect a Bluetooth earpiece to his development neo ? Aug 14 18:14:22 ie, does linux have a driver for such things ? Aug 14 18:15:05 so my vzw phone just took a major dive, and they are offering to buy me a new one Aug 14 18:15:28 unfortunately the neo is not an option through them, but any ideas on verizon phones that are linux friendly? Aug 14 18:15:29 rechercher: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Aug 14 18:15:38 Markinoko: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bluetooth_Support Aug 14 18:16:38 Kensan: cool, thanks ! Aug 14 18:17:44 Markinoko: Marcel Holtmann himself was doing some work but I don't know the status. Aug 14 18:19:56 Can anyone tell me how to get gllin? Aug 14 18:21:02 you can't yet Aug 14 18:21:12 bschrock: do you have a Neo? Aug 14 18:21:15 Some people have it. Aug 14 18:21:17 Yes I have a neo. Aug 14 18:22:12 http://chris.printf.net/definitely_not_gllin.tar Aug 14 18:23:13 TY! Aug 14 18:23:43 is it out? Aug 14 18:23:55 No, that is an illegal copy. Aug 14 18:24:24 it's the version that was shipped on the p0 phones. Aug 14 18:24:52 ok Aug 14 18:25:21 so its half illegal? Aug 14 18:25:24 * anrp mulls over this Aug 14 18:25:41 I think it said in some mail that it's ok to distribute, but OM have to build it Aug 14 18:25:43 it is probably illegal. but if it was illegal to redistribute, it is OM who broke the law (first). Aug 14 18:26:29 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-July/008466.html Aug 14 18:26:58 There is a difference between an accident, and a premeditated act. Aug 14 18:27:01 jul29 Aug 14 18:27:07 mm.. two weeks now Aug 14 18:27:28 The mail did not say that it's OK to distribute. It said that permission to distribute had not yet been obtained. Aug 14 18:28:03 SpeedEvil: True, I had to find it because I wasn't sure Aug 14 18:28:05 * cjb shrugs. Aug 14 18:28:33 * CM takes a look at sphyrna Aug 14 18:28:33 I think I must advise the authorities that OpenMoko contains nc Aug 14 18:28:46 okay folks .. last question before i call it quits .. where do i get the GPS binary? Aug 14 18:28:50 nc? Aug 14 18:28:51 heh Aug 14 18:29:03 torpor nowhere Aug 14 18:29:14 really? Aug 14 18:29:14 nc can be used for breaking into computers, OpenMoko might be aiding evil haxors Aug 14 18:29:22 there's no way possible to get it somewhere? Aug 14 18:29:27 It doesn't contain proper nc. Aug 14 18:29:30 torpor: It was on some P0 phones Aug 14 18:29:36 hhf423 a compiler can do this too Aug 14 18:29:40 we (metalab guys) were going to get it from harald at CCC, but i guess that didn't happen .. Aug 14 18:29:42 It contains the busybox feature-free version. Aug 14 18:29:44 hhf423: thanks to the "hacker paragraph" ;) Aug 14 18:30:09 i like to move it move it... Aug 14 18:30:20 yes, wait for the state of Germany to sue MS for providing complierz Aug 14 18:30:33 compilerz Aug 14 18:30:34 even telnet you can use as hackerz tool Aug 14 18:30:36 so what Aug 14 18:30:50 yeah, forget it Aug 14 18:31:02 it will all not hold up in court Aug 14 18:31:13 the paragraph says you have to wanted it Aug 14 18:31:29 and thats is a grey area Aug 14 18:31:34 woglinde: yeah, haha, so prove you did not mean/want it Aug 14 18:32:17 !seen jadebadger Aug 14 18:32:18 ScaredyCat, I don't remember seeing jadebadger. Aug 14 18:32:23 !seen jadesparrow Aug 14 18:32:24 ScaredyCat, I don't remember seeing jadesparrow. Aug 14 18:32:28 hhf423 we will see If the frist case is open Aug 14 18:32:29 !seen jadesParrot Aug 14 18:32:30 ScaredyCat, I don't remember seeing jadesparrot. Aug 14 18:32:32 :/ Aug 14 18:32:35 woglinde: you can't. so you will have to pead innocent until proven. but they still could put you in Untersuchungshaft for fun Aug 14 18:32:41 * ScaredyCat nudges Kensan Aug 14 18:32:48 !seen future Aug 14 18:32:50 CM, I don't remember seeing future. Aug 14 18:33:07 it's jade ...something Aug 14 18:33:08 hhf423 I have no fear Aug 14 18:33:21 if you have fear then they have won Aug 14 18:33:51 choose a good lawyer before and you are done Aug 14 18:33:58 I have no fear, my wife is a lawyer Aug 14 18:34:08 !seen JadeFalcon Aug 14 18:34:10 JadeFalcon (n=jadefalc@ip132-085.adsl.ch.inter.net) was last seen quitting from #openmoko 19 hours, 36 minutes ago stating (Remote closed the connection). Aug 14 18:34:25 hhf423: Above all others, YOU should be frightened! :p Aug 14 18:34:56 and the two witnesses to the marriage were lawyers Aug 14 18:35:06 I am beyond fear Aug 14 18:35:23 I knew it was jade... Aug 14 18:35:31 been there, done fear, so whats next? Aug 14 18:35:44 okay rockin' .. Aug 14 18:35:49 now my openmoko hacking is complete. Aug 14 18:35:55 thanks folks. be back in a few days .. Aug 14 18:35:56 later. Aug 14 18:35:57 ooh, a new image Aug 14 18:36:00 bye torpor Aug 14 18:36:07 * hhf423 cranks up dfu-util Aug 14 18:36:08 can i has a scummvm ? Aug 14 18:36:19 * SpeedEvil passes ScaredyCat mwm. Aug 14 18:36:32 lol Aug 14 18:36:34 ScaredyCat: scummvm is a user feature: if the user wants it, the user writes it Aug 14 18:36:44 ScaredyCat: what's up with scummvm, doesn't the version in OE work? Aug 14 18:36:53 and ceased to be a user at that point D: Aug 14 18:36:57 *s Aug 14 18:37:02 pH5: sdl deps Aug 14 18:38:14 cool, if I get to flash two images per day, I will believe there is progress Aug 14 18:38:47 lol Aug 14 18:38:55 hhf423 you are pessimist Aug 14 18:39:13 pH5: jadefalcon is fixing it ... Aug 14 18:39:24 personally I blame Kensan... Aug 14 18:39:32 woglinde: thats good. Optimists get themselfs killed on their own, pessimists you have to go kill Aug 14 18:39:48 hello Aug 14 18:39:53 ScaredyCat: Compiled and ran scummwm a couple of hours ago, no problems ! Aug 14 18:39:54 <-- NooN Aug 14 18:40:07 frma nice Aug 14 18:40:11 using bitbake ? Aug 14 18:40:17 ScaredyCat: xrand -o right before starting it Aug 14 18:40:24 is there a reason why the OpenMoko GUI does not connect to gsmd? I always get the "?" next to the antenna Aug 14 18:40:30 ScaredyCat: yep ! in 2007.2 Aug 14 18:40:36 paranoid pessimists know you're going to kill them, and theres nothing they can do about it. Aug 14 18:40:43 the recipe in .1 is broken Aug 14 18:41:02 juri_: they know I am in fact a ninja? Aug 14 18:41:33 ScaredyCat: Beneath a steel sky run excellent, with sound and everything, but right-clicking is kind of hard :) Aug 14 18:41:42 this kinetic scrolling is sooo cool Aug 14 18:41:56 * hhf423 could sit here all day, just scrolling Aug 14 18:42:17 .2 is just broken though still isn;t it? Aug 14 18:42:32 dont know Aug 14 18:42:33 ScaredyCat: define "broken" Aug 14 18:42:45 broken: does fuck all Aug 14 18:42:52 in terms of gsm/gps Aug 14 18:42:58 ScaredyCat: I would call the .2 I just flashed broken, but so I would everything else I have flashed so far Aug 14 18:43:01 ScaredyCat: Everything built for me, all the openmoko stuff did not end up in the image though... Aug 14 18:43:14 hello ph5 Aug 14 18:43:29 is there a page on the wiki that explains what you should do when you FIRST get your package in? Aug 14 18:43:29 ScaredyCat: if you have seen images which are NOT broken, I'd be very interested Aug 14 18:43:40 hej speerschleuder Aug 14 18:43:46 o, I haven't hence me running .1 Aug 14 18:43:49 i've never had gsm/gprs work for me through the interface Aug 14 18:43:55 but i chalk that up to my bad luck Aug 14 18:43:58 mintee_: It should be on the card that says Assembly Required. Aug 14 18:44:02 mintee_: hook the Neo up to a Linux box via usb and let the battery charge Aug 14 18:44:04 ph5 do you come to the other #? Aug 14 18:44:05 speerschleuder: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Aug 14 18:44:18 lol Aug 14 18:44:22 hihi Aug 14 18:44:23 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973: But you can start here...  Aug 14 18:44:25 ScaredyCat: which .1 are you running exactly which is not broken? Aug 14 18:44:36 bschrock, hhf423, thanks Aug 14 18:44:44 D'oh Aug 14 18:44:45 heh Aug 14 18:45:06 hm scummvm is on oe Aug 14 18:45:12 didnt check this before Aug 14 18:45:28 mintee: I got mine last night. It didn't take me long to get it running. Aug 14 18:45:35 ones I built hhf423 Aug 14 18:45:35 Good luck. Aug 14 18:46:01 ozarka, ah, Mine is coming in this Thursday. I just wanna get a head start Aug 14 18:46:02 ScaredyCat: can you point me to the images? Aug 14 18:46:23 http://buildhost.automated.it/ Aug 14 18:46:32 Hardest part for me was getting the back off for the battery. Seriously. Aug 14 18:47:03 ScaredyCat: and you can do calls with that? Aug 14 18:47:13 yes Aug 14 18:47:36 is it still true that a nand erase is required if the image is smaller than the previous? Aug 14 18:47:37 the call history works too :) Aug 14 18:47:41 yes Aug 14 18:48:16 darn, there does not seem to be a terminal program to access serial on this ubunto live cd Aug 14 18:48:46 hhf423: cu, minicom? Aug 14 18:49:25 both not there Aug 14 18:50:29 anyone tried using a typical usb charger... from something like xv6700 ? Aug 14 18:50:41 i donno what the mA's are off hand Aug 14 18:50:47 min: irrelevant Aug 14 18:51:01 the problem is that the neo won't draw the available curent. Aug 14 18:51:25 see Neo1973 Charging Aug 14 18:51:30 on the wiki Aug 14 18:51:46 righ Aug 14 18:51:47 t Aug 14 18:51:53 oh Aug 14 18:51:56 so that Aug 14 18:51:58 works Aug 14 18:54:28 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User_talk:Hhf423]] [[P1_Owners]] Aug 14 18:55:26 ScaredyCat: what do you blame me for? Aug 14 18:55:39 scummvm ;) Aug 14 18:56:14 I currently have no server to put it. Aug 14 18:56:27 awww, there is cu, right under advanced Aug 14 18:57:03 ScaredyCat hehe Aug 14 18:57:24 JadeFalcon created the menu entries etc with "auto-rotate" etc and mapping AUX to F5 so you can actually exit scummvm ;) Aug 14 18:58:58 so scummmvm needs touchscreen support? Aug 14 18:59:09 ScaredyCat: I need to get going but I can send the tarball to you tomorrow. Aug 14 18:59:27 ok. thanks Kensan Aug 14 18:59:45 woglinde: it works "out-of-the-box" but you need the F5-key so the ScummVM-menu appears ingame Aug 14 19:00:24 it's brilliant btw :) Played tom Day of the Tentacle and the screen makes it a real joy to play :) Aug 14 19:00:35 ^ some Aug 14 19:02:15 ScaredyCat: well got to go, catch me tomorrow. Aug 14 19:02:26 ok, will do.. Aug 14 19:02:34 * ScaredyCat turns on pounce mode Aug 14 19:03:01 is it possible to surf on the web with the neo phone, using usb/ether and sharing the connection ? Aug 14 19:03:37 lukhas_nowhere: there is only 'web' installed, but yes you can do masquerading and then share the connection Aug 14 19:03:50 ok Aug 14 19:03:55 let's try then :) Aug 14 19:05:16 mickey|dinner: which image would you flash nowadays? Aug 14 19:06:26 zecke: hmm, the most recent one? Aug 14 19:06:42 zecke: one of my builds should be finished in about one hour Aug 14 19:06:47 zecke: i can upload it, if you want Aug 14 19:06:57 Whats up friends Aug 14 19:07:02 Or just use ssh, with sshd on the phone doing the SOX proxying. Aug 14 19:07:19 mickey|dinner: is the one from the 8th of august okay? Aug 14 19:07:29 zecke: no, we fixed a lot of bugs since then Aug 14 19:08:00 SOCKS Aug 14 19:08:06 mickey|dinner: did jan upload his image? Aug 14 19:08:21 zecke: no idea. if you need one _now_, wait a couple of minutes Aug 14 19:08:28 let me search one Aug 14 19:08:50 ;) Aug 14 19:09:12 * zecke wants to show his neo to el Aug 14 19:09:32 zecke yours? Aug 14 19:10:05 uploading... Aug 14 19:10:07 ETA 6 minutes Aug 14 19:10:25 woglinde: it has my name tag ;) Aug 14 19:10:34 ScaredyCat: ok, its flashing your image now, lets see if that is less broken :-) Aug 14 19:11:17 ok, "Web" is nice, but I'd rather have a Minimo :) Aug 14 19:11:36 the page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Minimo is quite short, is that the only doc available ? Aug 14 19:11:58 lukhas_nowhere: start web and launch a forkbomb ;) Aug 14 19:13:00 zecke I will meld your blender with a zippo Aug 14 19:13:20 woglinde: dummes menschenkind! Aug 14 19:13:47 * SpeedEvil wants a firefox. Aug 14 19:14:11 Context: I am now on a 128M laptop, I have 30 FF tabs open. Aug 14 19:14:45 mickey|dinner: you have a .2 image which will dial? :-) Aug 14 19:14:48 only 43? how many pdf's open Aug 14 19:14:48 SpeedEvil: what does xrestop say? Aug 14 19:15:06 hhf423: no idea. didn't test that Aug 14 19:15:10 probably not Aug 14 19:15:13 gsmd still having problems Aug 14 19:15:34 ok Aug 14 19:15:34 1200000 315 44 1 217 146 23924K 12K 23937K 2971 Solar cell - W Aug 14 19:16:00 * hhf423 is hungry Aug 14 19:16:34 SpeedEvil: 24mb for 30 tabs, that isn't bad in the mozilla terms Aug 14 19:16:44 They are mostly text tabs. Aug 14 19:17:02 I keep meaning to do an extension to blank images on switchaway from a tab. Aug 14 19:17:22 zecke: done. people.openmoko.org/mickey/images Aug 14 19:17:29 awesome :) Aug 14 19:17:58 SpeedEvil, you are talking about minimo? Aug 14 19:18:11 no, ff Aug 14 19:18:18 1.5 Aug 14 19:18:31 wow. 24mb is impressive Aug 14 19:18:39 my ff sucks as much ram as he can get :) Aug 14 19:18:44 that's not RAM, that's xresources Aug 14 19:18:57 thomasg__: that is stuff loaded into the xserver by ff Aug 14 19:19:05 but that is still good in terms of firefox Aug 14 19:19:08 However. Aug 14 19:19:23 I can't imagine using more than 3 or 4 tabs on the neo. Aug 14 19:20:14 100 mb with 15 tabs right now Aug 14 19:20:22 my windows firefox is only using 300MB with 43 tabs open Aug 14 19:20:27 38 ckuethe 2 0 211M 232M sleep poll 273:39 7.32% firefox-bin Aug 14 19:20:34 ah, ok Aug 14 19:20:35 openmoko: 03mickey * r2702 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/ (openmoko-logo.patch series): kernel: remove openmoko-logo.patch, we're going to do in the .bb recipe in a much simpler way Aug 14 19:20:56 It seems lots saner on my 128M lappy, for some reason. Aug 14 19:21:08 so that is one of the reasons why X takes so much ram, too? Aug 14 19:23:24 32541 _x11 2 0 46M 69M sleep select 130:07 1.71% Xorg Aug 14 19:23:55 lots of buffers, i'd imagine Aug 14 19:24:21 mickeyl, how are you going to do the logo? Aug 14 19:26:08 shoragan suprise sursprise? Aug 14 19:28:35 ScaredyCat: ok, right, your image actually registers with the network and everything. When I get my new SIM I probably can even make calls. Aug 14 19:28:45 ScaredyCat: but SMS does not work, right? Aug 14 19:29:16 ScaredyCat: your image actually was the first image that asked me for my PIN :-) Aug 14 19:29:30 mickeyl, if you want to generate the image while building keep in mind that the full 480x640 doesn't work Aug 14 19:29:40 480x500 does, though Aug 14 19:29:42 I can't imagine using more than 3 or 4 tabs on the neo. Aug 14 19:29:52 with webkit? Aug 14 19:29:59 No, with FF. Aug 14 19:30:24 Shoragan: hey, did you return safely? Aug 14 19:30:26 but neo's browser will use webkit :P Aug 14 19:30:32 Meh. Aug 14 19:30:47 i got the feedreader to go online.... it worked much, much better then the browser ever has Aug 14 19:30:48 lol Aug 14 19:31:16 damaestro hail zecke Aug 14 19:31:42 is there a way I can separate the speaker outpout from the headphones output? Aug 14 19:31:57 has anyone tried a standard 2.5mm->3.5mm stereoadapter to headphones with neo? Aug 14 19:32:21 lukhas_nowhere: in alsamixer select "amp mode: headphones" Aug 14 19:32:57 jeddy3: thanks! Aug 14 19:33:02 lukhas_nowhere: ...or amp mode: speakers, if you want only speakers :) Aug 14 19:33:10 PCW: Is there a planned list of applications that will ship with the consumer version in October? In particular, which Web browser, e-mail client, and calendar will it ship with? Aug 14 19:33:10 OpenMoko: Yes, we do have a list. Aug 14 19:33:10 As for particulars, we write the interface ourselves, but a lot of the base code comes from existing FOSS [Free and Open Source Software] projects. E-mail will be based on the TinyMail framework. Our browser is based on WebKit (the same stuff that Safari is using). Aug 14 19:33:15 nice :) Aug 14 19:35:32 uhm. Aug 14 19:35:34 WTF. Aug 14 19:35:43 who do i speak to reguarding shipping issues? Aug 14 19:35:54 heh Aug 14 19:35:55 UPS? Aug 14 19:36:55 aparently, my openmoko is getting shipped to.. germany. Aug 14 19:37:20 its nice of them to ship it and all, but i'm in the US. ;) Aug 14 19:37:33 you wouldn't be the first person to get the wrong tracking number... Aug 14 19:37:49 no, its the right tracking number.. they have the city name correct. Aug 14 19:38:02 lol Aug 14 19:39:31 IIRC there are cities named Edmonton in .ca, .us, and .uk Aug 14 19:39:55 aparently, theres a "rogers" in germany. ;) Aug 14 19:40:52 aawh...this sucks...I just assumed a regular 2.5mm->3.5mm stereoconnector would work...seems like microfone+right channel is wired on standard left+right :( Aug 14 19:41:31 there are two connector pinouts Aug 14 19:41:51 SpeedEvil: sorry? Aug 14 19:42:05 two four-pin headset variants Aug 14 19:42:25 i think neo uses Motorola style Aug 14 19:42:38 yeah Aug 14 19:43:28 i assumed the extra microfone pin would be wired alongside standard left+right Aug 14 19:43:35 not instead of left :P Aug 14 19:44:41 in standard as in "stereo standard", apparently there are variants for headsets also Aug 14 19:46:21 so apparently stereoadapter doensn't work, or am i missing something obvious? Aug 14 19:53:46 man, I almsot bought an iPhone today. Aug 14 19:54:27 ferric: narrow escape Aug 14 19:54:43 stay where you are - we'll send out a de-brainwashing team right away Aug 14 19:54:50 Stephmw: indeed. i lost my blackberry in a cab, and almost tipped over the wrong way. Aug 14 19:54:57 ckuethe: haha Aug 14 19:55:18 uh oh, an apple user! Aug 14 19:57:27 someone get that man an open source licence Aug 14 19:57:35 nothing wrong with apple users Aug 14 19:57:43 but iPhone users... different story Aug 14 19:57:54 * Stephmw strangles summatusmentis with a pair of white headphones Aug 14 19:58:06 I love my MacBook ;-) Aug 14 20:00:10 I love my tiny black(!) thinkpad :) Aug 14 20:01:52 thomasg__: how's the keyboard? Aug 14 20:02:23 of the thinkpad? Aug 14 20:02:24 i see the next step past the openmoko is the gumstix speaking bluetooth to a twiddler keyboard and a monocle eye-glass mounted display. Aug 14 20:02:49 thomasg__: aye Aug 14 20:02:50 don-o: working on a monocle here. ;) Aug 14 20:03:04 damn i joined the right channel Aug 14 20:03:10 Stephmw, pretty good as all older (and maybe also all new) thinkpad's keyboards Aug 14 20:03:14 wearables <3 Aug 14 20:03:30 wearables <4 Aug 14 20:04:25 and i only connected to find out whether the gta02 would be likely to make reliable phone calls and texts Aug 14 20:04:42 ME-tan: of course. its the consumer version. Aug 14 20:04:44 sorry, it can't do that yet Aug 14 20:04:44 because I am one of the people in that orderly queue waiting for it... Aug 14 20:04:47 I think thinkpad keyboards have definitely gone down in quality with lenovo's cost cutting. Aug 14 20:04:51 the macbook keyboard is nice. Aug 14 20:05:03 ME-tan: oh wait i might have gta02 mixed up with P2. sorry. Aug 14 20:05:10 the iphone is nice but... 2 years and $600? :( Aug 14 20:05:19 thats what i meant, i'm waiting for the consumer verison Aug 14 20:05:37 as I gather there are no plans to have a 3g version Aug 14 20:05:51 well, yet Aug 14 20:06:07 Stephmw, but the best thing of the thinkpads is the trackpoint: forget those ugly touchpads and so on Aug 14 20:06:09 juri_: were you kidding about the monocle? i'd really like to see one thats in the range of affordability Aug 14 20:06:18 ME-tan: 3g in 2008 Aug 14 20:06:33 the eraser-mouse is very cool. Aug 14 20:06:45 damn, tempting... the question is should I wait for it.... Aug 14 20:07:23 nah best pointing device was the trackball in the original libretto. Ball on one side of the device and buttons on the other side Aug 14 20:07:27 ME-tan: depends on how happy you are with the phone you have Aug 14 20:07:35 eraser mouse? Aug 14 20:07:40 that's what it's called these days Aug 14 20:07:41 * anrp coughs Aug 14 20:07:56 ferric, and if you take the amout of the monthly fees included for the iphone in the plan you will have paid more than $1000 for the phone without really knowing it Aug 14 20:08:18 currently running a 6680. Good phone and I have loaded it with lots of 3rd party stuff but some things do irk me Aug 14 20:08:34 thomasg__: true but the moko monthly fees arent a whole lot less than $60/mo, IMHO Aug 14 20:09:15 don-o, what fees do you mean? $450/24month = $18 per month Aug 14 20:09:29 thomasg__: he is pointing out that your Moko is not usable without a contract either. Aug 14 20:09:33 + plan you might be at about 30 to 40 $ (however you want) Aug 14 20:09:44 so it is disingenuous to compare iPhone+contract to moko-contract. Aug 14 20:09:49 you should compare to moko+contract. Aug 14 20:09:53 * don-o gives cjb a high-five Aug 14 20:09:54 and thats the point: you can chose how much you want to pay Aug 14 20:10:07 thomasg__: i have used it though, and it is the best of closed gadget porn that you can get :) Aug 14 20:10:09 thomasg__: i agree there is much more flexability when using an unlocked gsm phone Aug 14 20:10:17 thomasg__: "I wish to pay $5/mo!" "Well, you can't." "Oh. :((" Aug 14 20:10:36 btw - in germany you don't need plans, you can pay what you use, not only what you think you will use (post-paid vs. pre-paid) Aug 14 20:10:38 thomasg__: yeah, the short answer is (a) we agree, in general, (b) be less rabid. Aug 14 20:10:39 the FIC does win more geek points certainly. I thought the iphone was going to not support operator locks anyway... Aug 14 20:10:48 cjb ftw Aug 14 20:11:09 :) Aug 14 20:11:35 cjb, I can get contracts for less than $5/mo without a problem here in germany - and germany is far more expensive than the states are e.g. Aug 14 20:11:43 the plans are good in the uk but only one operator has a decent flat rate data plan at the moment Aug 14 20:12:02 ME-tan: who? Aug 14 20:12:22 ME-tan: atm my data usage is rolled into my free minutes with O2 Aug 14 20:12:25 the others so far are limiting you to 120mb a month. I use more than that surfing bash.org in text only mode on the train and sshing in to connect to my irssi session Aug 14 20:12:45 afaik, in the US, you can't buy a data plan without buying a speech plan Aug 14 20:12:58 Stephmw: t-mobile web&walk business package =££30 a month with a datacard Aug 14 20:13:09 that is a data only plan Aug 14 20:13:14 'k Aug 14 20:13:20 * Stephmw looks around for a laptop Aug 14 20:13:23 damnit Aug 14 20:13:27 well, it can do voice but they charge you for it. They supply you with a 3g datacard not a phone Aug 14 20:14:31 in fact as i have the page open http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/internet/laptop/webnwalk-internet/12mth-webnwalk-plus/ Aug 14 20:15:16 reviews from my coworkers so far seem positive for signal and service so i'm planning to get that, work out the APN config then get the FIC Aug 14 20:16:59 i'm tempted to get the lunchbox but i know i'm too much of a noob to use the dev kit... Aug 14 20:17:02 Hello, everyone! Aug 14 20:17:44 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/ ... but the latest image is from aug03. Aug 14 20:17:48 ...are there newer images? Aug 14 20:18:23 http://people.openmoko.org/mickey/images/ Aug 14 20:18:30 ME-tan: I'm pretty sure you service provider would give you the APN config without even complaining Aug 14 20:18:43 thanks, writchie. Aug 14 20:18:56 It would be nice to get calls to work... Aug 14 20:19:08 haven't tested it yet Aug 14 20:19:20 i'm asuming you mean calls from the gui Aug 14 20:20:12 writchie: it worked at one point... and with some hacks, I even got it to play mp3 on incoming call. Aug 14 20:20:42 would be nice to have one sort of stable demo image. Aug 14 20:20:42 Markinoko: you're supposed to run their special software and they can be a pain. When I got my first s60 phone it took me weeks of emailing between myself and vodafone support to get the config to use internet on it (they configged it for WAP only as they thought that was the only thing i'd ever use). I ended up working it out by getting it out of their laptop software and then emailing _them_ the correct config Aug 14 20:20:59 this was a few years ago though Aug 14 20:22:01 ME-tan: I do work with operators and I don't think it's true anymore. At least not with SFR (vodaphone france) Aug 14 20:22:24 ME: vodafone is pretty bad, then. We even have special "data support" line that has half of a clue. Aug 14 20:22:37 in many countries the operator is able to do little more than send you an sms OTA Aug 14 20:23:00 hi pavelm Aug 14 20:23:04 Writchie: or give you the info on their web site Aug 14 20:23:18 that's what most do here in addition to the sms Aug 14 20:23:30 many have nothing on their website Aug 14 20:23:54 re: configurations Aug 14 20:23:54 hmm, that's a shame Aug 14 20:24:20 in the U.S. they think only in terms of their phones and their services described in their marketing speak Aug 14 20:24:44 they never heard of an APN Aug 14 20:25:23 fortunately, it won't be long that NEO configs can be worked out for every operator Aug 14 20:25:28 I'm used to dealing with APNs as I support crackberrys for a living :( Aug 14 20:26:14 the US phone system does seem a little backward Aug 14 20:26:19 little? Aug 14 20:26:42 i heard some people pay for recieving calls? Aug 14 20:26:47 and sms Aug 14 20:26:53 ME-tan: ow, crackberrys, so you're part of the evil RIM empire Aug 14 20:27:08 we plan here where you get credited when you recieve a call :) Aug 14 20:27:14 had a* Aug 14 20:27:14 hi, woglinde! Aug 14 20:27:30 nah I work tech support and the users have them Aug 14 20:28:25 at least they usually work unlike the push email enabled HTC devices we trialled Aug 14 20:28:30 writchie: t0mobile cz people were willing/able to tcpdump for me... Aug 14 20:28:40 those were about as stable as an irc chick Aug 14 20:28:48 Markinoko: I'm part of the evil RIM Empire. Aug 14 20:29:05 I write J2ME BlackBerry applications for work. :-) Aug 14 20:29:16 there are a couple of internal t-mobile support groups that are very helpful Aug 14 20:29:17 (Not an employee of RIM) Aug 14 20:29:18 pavelm: every operator is _able_ to use a tracephone. I'm surprised they did it for a customer Aug 14 20:29:51 i should learn to code. Might make me less of a idiot that goes onto forums and irc to ask noobtastic questions Aug 14 20:30:03 ozarka: does it hurt ? ;-) Aug 14 20:30:17 ozarka: great, then you wouldn't mind testing j2me blackberry i've ported/porting Aug 14 20:31:01 ME-tan: sys admins don't code (much) but still are able to do things. Being able to code is not the aswer to all problems Aug 14 20:31:11 true but I cn Aug 14 20:31:16 can see how it would help Aug 14 20:31:20 Markinoko: You get used to the pain. Aug 14 20:31:30 ME-tan: playing with your neo will be a good way of learning a lot. Aug 14 20:31:52 heh, possibly. I should play with my zaurus more then Aug 14 20:32:17 raynet: I'll be happy to help. Not many of us out there so we have to stick together. Aug 14 20:32:40 ME-tan: well, I don't remember the zaurus comming with a debug bord. You have more risks of bricking it without being able to do anything Aug 14 20:32:58 ozarka: cause i dont have access to blackberrys Aug 14 20:33:09 ozarka: and dont wanna ship my product with 'it worked in emu' Aug 14 20:33:11 depends if I can do anything with a debug board Aug 14 20:33:48 bearing in mind the only thing i've done is make a set of traffic lights in a 6805 micro so long ago i have no idea how i did it Aug 14 20:34:08 ME-tan: the wiki and the lists are a good place to learn how to handle that. It's not that hard realy Aug 14 20:34:08 shame I dont know where the traffic lights went, they rocked Aug 14 20:34:15 :-) Aug 14 20:35:22 i gather it would show me how h Aug 14 20:35:29 how the proc was thinking Aug 14 20:35:39 and damnit i keep hitting enter instead of backspace Aug 14 20:37:45 hi all whats thetopic Aug 14 20:38:05 evening all Aug 14 20:38:58 I just got my hands on a potentially bricked treo 650, and I've seen someone has installed open moko on it. I'm not sure just how bricked it is though. I'm getting the multicoloured screen with the bootloader version number I think. Anyone know if it's recoverable? Aug 14 20:39:16 sorry, installed it on *a* treo 650, not this specific one Aug 14 20:40:29 exit Aug 14 20:40:44 * doc|work blinks Aug 14 20:41:06 * doc|work pokes doc|home and asks "did you see that?" Aug 14 20:41:08 ewhat is the topic curently Aug 14 20:41:29 docdoc: type /topic Aug 14 20:42:27 type /topic Aug 14 20:42:47 humm, perhaps, 'soldout at openmoko.com, sale at ebay.com' might be more true Aug 14 20:43:10 hehe Aug 14 20:43:28 laff Aug 14 20:44:23 also, Neo is so small that we need to make AD photos with a child's hand or something. it is tiny in my huuge hand Aug 14 20:44:33 Markinoko: yes, they were _really_ trying to be helpful. But that's long time ago. Aug 14 20:48:01 some perspective photos with something like a coke can would be nice Aug 14 20:49:54 Japanese-style or American-style coke can? Aug 14 20:50:37 Compared to some of the other iFones out there -- like the HTC Touch -- the Neo is big. Aug 14 20:50:49 i honestly had no idea there was a difference in coke cans Aug 14 20:51:38 Neo also has a lot of space between the screen and the edges. Aug 14 20:51:41 neo is as big as siemens sx1... that's quite big. Aug 14 20:52:34 ozarka, yeah, I like it that way :) Aug 14 20:52:54 I think a thick cover shields the machine better Aug 14 20:53:04 I've had my share of phones not taking normal use Aug 14 20:53:34 ozarka: hopefully, production hardware will look better. Aug 14 20:53:39 xkr47: seems like wasted space to me Aug 14 20:53:46 heh Aug 14 20:53:48 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Wishlist:Auto_Align_Map]] [[User_talk:Hhf423]] Aug 14 20:54:07 of course it doesn't look like a business phone yet.. those need to be sleek, metal covered Aug 14 20:54:19 One thing for sure, every cell phone design is wrong. Aug 14 20:54:47 that HTC with the slide out keyboard, or perhaps the nokia communicator, is about as good as it gets for me Aug 14 20:55:02 japanese coke cans are much more hefty Aug 14 20:55:04 nokia 770 for me. ;) Aug 14 20:55:07 I don't want a business phone. I like my orange creamsicle Neo. Aug 14 20:55:12 also, i liked the half liter aluminum bottles Aug 14 20:55:12 xkr47: not always, most nokia business phones also come in black/gunmetal. The black Neo looks prettu sweet Aug 14 20:55:21 also liked the non-hfcs but i digress... Aug 14 20:55:26 * xkr47 has the white one ;) Aug 14 20:55:33 if a phone has wifi, it should have a keyboard, imho Aug 14 20:55:35 i'm getting the black one Aug 14 20:55:40 if it was all red, it could have been "the red pill" ;D Aug 14 20:55:48 bahaha Aug 14 20:56:00 I don't like things that slide. Aug 14 20:56:01 can always get a second set of plastics and spray one Aug 14 20:56:09 ewon, if they only made freedom mini still Aug 14 20:56:10 See what I mean? All design is wrong. Aug 14 20:56:15 now they have some freedom mini gps :P Aug 14 20:56:33 Wrong shape, color, keyboard, screen. Wrong for somebody. Aug 14 20:56:36 ozarka, yeah.. diy :) Aug 14 20:57:40 unfortunately I have no knowledge of what kind of effect paint has on radio transmission, so I don't dare paint mine yet ;) Aug 14 20:57:50 bugger all effect Aug 14 20:58:15 it will likely affect the gps Aug 14 20:58:21 if I can get a signal on the tube i can get a signal through a little paint Aug 14 20:58:54 could be good or bad effect, depending on whether this was already taken into account Aug 14 20:58:55 well surely the tube affectes the signal too ;) Aug 14 20:59:23 yeah it isn't a great signal and only when the tunnels aren't too deep Aug 14 20:59:42 they are going to introduce cell transmitters down there soon Aug 14 21:00:53 i may not be a good tech but I have a thing for GSM tech Aug 14 21:01:18 well, i know things just not anything that i can make money out of Aug 14 21:03:19 pavelm: but the display has far more than the double resolution ;) Aug 14 21:03:35 pavelm: openmoko: 640*480, SX1: 176x220... Aug 14 21:04:26 rwhitby: http://pastebin.com/m4a693c35 (MokoMakefile issue) Aug 14 21:05:53 i just removed that problematic line, but it could be a problem for others... Aug 14 21:07:15 ls Aug 14 21:11:28 nibbler: Yep, sx1 is old design. It is still too big. At least it is sunglight readable. Aug 14 21:32:25 anyone got an answer to my question? Aug 14 21:34:48 what question? Aug 14 21:35:03 I just got my hands on a potentially bricked treo 650, and I've seen someone has installed open moko on it. I'm not sure just how bricked it is though. I'm getting the multicoloured screen with the bootloader version number I think. Anyone know if it's recoverable? Aug 14 21:35:26 oh, and, openmoko's not installed on this phone, I meant other treo 650s Aug 14 21:37:02 Well. Aug 14 21:37:12 I would find the someone, and talk to them. Aug 14 21:38:23 Hi, speed! Aug 14 21:38:27 fair point, though they may not have suitably bricked theirs :) Aug 14 21:38:37 Hi! Aug 14 21:38:51 doc: no - but they presumably know how to work thte boootloader in the normal condition. Aug 14 21:39:45 * doc|work nods Aug 14 21:40:12 there should be documentation how to do that somewhere... Aug 14 21:40:24 but it mey be easier to bring it into "normal" condition, first. Aug 14 21:43:51 rwhitby: another one http://pastebin.com/m69490623 (with fix also) Aug 14 21:43:52 pavelm: hmmm, ok, thanks Aug 14 21:44:46 Last night I unboxed my Neo and flashed with the images from: Aug 14 21:44:50 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/latest/ Aug 14 21:45:23 I sent an email to help@brokenmoko.org, and received the reply Delivery to the following recipient has been delayed: Aug 14 21:45:24 help@brokenmoko.org Aug 14 21:45:24 Message will be retried for 2 more day(s) Aug 14 21:45:24 Technical details of temporary failure: Aug 14 21:45:24 TEMP_FAILURE: DNS Error: Could not contact DNS servers Aug 14 21:45:34 Are there better, newer images to use? Aug 14 21:45:36 ... anyone else getting trough ? Aug 14 21:45:51 eh, brokenmoko? Aug 14 21:45:57 funny :p Aug 14 21:46:17 doc: I mean... unbricking treo should be doable in most mobile repair shops, at reasonable price. Aug 14 21:46:21 ozarka: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing Aug 14 21:46:35 frma: do you really think there is going to be someone behind a help email address at openmoko for a developer release? use the mailing lists. Aug 14 21:46:37 ozarka: try http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/ Aug 14 21:48:45 ozarka: there's even newer version somewhere. Aug 14 21:48:59 frma, pavelm: Thanks. Aug 14 21:49:11 rwitby: One of the units I received has a dead gsm-modem, I was directed to that email-address by Jouston Huang (@openmoko.com) Aug 14 21:50:14 dead - in what manner? Aug 14 21:50:43 frma: apologies, I thought you were mailing about a software problem. you are right that there should be an email address for hardware problems. Aug 14 21:51:36 http://people.openmoko.org/mickey/images/ Aug 14 21:51:44 om2007.2 from today Aug 14 21:51:49 SpeedEvil: No response what so ever, tried all tricks mention on the wiki and in the mailing list archives. Connecting cu only gives the connect message but no response to AT commands. Aug 14 21:52:01 frma: recheck the address, does the domain "brokenmoko.org" actually exist? Aug 14 21:52:16 ScaredyCat: is it worth flashing? :p Aug 14 21:52:38 not unless they've done a shitload of work on it Aug 14 21:53:52 mwester: someone at OM registered brokenmoko.org, but I doubt it has an email server behind it at the moment. Aug 14 21:54:16 I don't even see an IP Aug 14 21:54:27 ScaredyCat: au contraire - the latest image is always worth flashing so that we developers can help fix it. Aug 14 21:54:47 (no-one is expecting a working image at this stage, right?) Aug 14 21:55:10 right, so the MokoMakefile is obsolete? Aug 14 21:55:10 0m2007.1 works better Aug 14 21:55:34 untill .2 works to a similar level of functionality it's not worth it Aug 14 21:55:35 ynezz: it will be when OM2007.2 is officially announced by mickey|dinner as going live Aug 14 21:55:56 19th iirc Aug 14 21:56:04 (except at that point it will change to build OM2007.2 instead) Aug 14 21:56:22 is there some oe how-to for OM2007.2? Aug 14 21:56:22 ScaredyCat: is that 19th on the OpenMoko calendar, or the Julian calendar ;-) Aug 14 21:56:30 :) Aug 14 21:56:37 ynezz: there is a OM wiki page for 2007.2 Aug 14 21:56:42 ok Aug 14 21:57:05 looks like I'll have to play with python hacks for awhile... Aug 14 21:57:12 and the nslu2-linux master makefile builds it (and puts the resulting images at http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images) Aug 14 21:57:50 Speaking of 2007.2, has anyone seen this error in configure on glibc-intermediate_2.3.2+cvs20040726? *** These critical programs are missing or too old: gcc Aug 14 21:58:53 Oh no - competition! http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=286 Aug 14 21:58:58 glibc 2.3.2+cvs2004 ?? Aug 14 21:59:21 ph5 lol Aug 14 21:59:27 I wondered myself Aug 14 21:59:28 Hey, don't ask me - bitbake is trying to build it! Aug 14 21:59:37 rwhitby: I wonder what's the process of the image build on nslu2-linux. make update setup om-image using mokomakefile? Aug 14 21:59:51 or some custom environment? Aug 14 21:59:58 SpeedEvil: It Must Be Mine!!! :') Aug 14 22:00:05 SpeedEvil: hahaha Aug 14 22:00:48 I wonder if they're refurbishing old phone chassis or making new ones. Aug 14 22:01:06 looks like new one :) Aug 14 22:01:17 quite expensive Aug 14 22:01:23 SpeedEvil, they don't have a stylus holder either. Aug 14 22:01:36 ynezz: nslu2-linux uses the nslu2-linux master makefile, and does "make openmoko" Aug 14 22:01:53 ah Aug 14 22:03:35 SpeedEvil:this is a really great web site! Aug 14 22:11:12 I'm thinking I may have a kernel/rootfs mismatch on my phone - using uImage-2.6.21.6-moko11-r1_0_0_2688_0-fic-gta01 kernel and openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070813013449.rootfs Aug 14 22:11:31 can anyone confirm +ve or -ve Aug 14 22:11:42 what's not working? Aug 14 22:12:14 jrockway: gsm isn't registering Aug 14 22:12:49 ok Aug 14 22:13:05 i tried that rootfs with the pre-installed kernel and had the same problem Aug 14 22:13:18 off to bed - wil play with it tomorrow Aug 14 22:13:19 night! Aug 14 22:13:20 i got gsm working with the latest kernel from the first page on the wiki Aug 14 22:13:24 but it still seems broken Aug 14 22:13:28 ttyl :) Aug 14 22:13:40 i'm just going to build it myself Aug 14 22:13:51 when i get home, that is :) Aug 14 22:14:10 jrockway: yeah - my hacking skills aren't that advanced - if you can build a working version it'd be good to have a copy Aug 14 22:14:33 Wookie hole Aug 14 22:15:08 andylockran: i'm pretty new too :) Aug 14 22:16:54 gsm doesn't depend on kernel. Aug 14 22:17:04 you can either talk to the serial device, or you can't. Aug 14 22:17:19 there is no subtle driver magic where it can half work. Aug 14 22:17:41 interesting Aug 14 22:17:42 mellon_: indeed. Aug 14 22:17:48 yesterday gsm didn't work... today it does work :) Aug 14 22:20:46 btw, why do I need gcj for OM2007.2 ? Aug 14 22:22:09 it's mentioned as a required package on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2 (How to MasterMakefile on Ubuntu) Aug 14 22:28:40 So does anybody know a source for an antenna we can plug into the GSM antenna socket on the Neo that has higher gain than the Neo antenna? Aug 14 22:32:37 do you normally have a problem with cellphones where you are/ Aug 14 22:32:40 ? Aug 14 22:32:54 The GSM socket is unfortunately relatively inaccessible. Aug 14 22:33:04 the one you're probably looking at is the GPS antenna. Aug 14 22:33:27 open the back of the phone, and look down the 'screwholes' Aug 14 22:33:32 in one is a socket Aug 14 22:35:13 nice, NOTE: build 200708142348: completed Aug 14 22:35:29 yesterday's didn't work very well for me Aug 14 22:35:37 is that normal? :) Aug 14 22:35:58 today's also, had to fix it by hand Aug 14 22:36:13 i need to get my own build going anyway Aug 14 22:36:29 i've been a bit lazy so far :) Aug 14 22:37:52 where does your build fail? Aug 14 22:39:32 haven't even tried yet, it's just that random Bad Things are happening with the builds i've tried so far Aug 14 22:39:44 i can't find the on-screen keyboard, for example Aug 14 22:39:54 i'm not at the point where i should be asking for help though :) Aug 14 22:40:56 seems more like runtime error, not build one Aug 14 22:41:27 i think i'm missing files... who knows Aug 14 22:41:51 i will bother the channel later when i know what i'm talking about Aug 14 22:41:56 speed: In cities, I have pretty good coverage. Aug 14 22:41:58 * jrockway goes back to lurking :) Aug 14 22:42:18 speed: In the forests... yep, I could use more coverage. In villages, indoor... yes, I could use better antena. Aug 14 22:42:30 in subway... yes, it would be nice to have better antena. Aug 14 22:55:08 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Variometer]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware_-_Atmospheric]] [[Bluetooth_Support]] [[P1_Owners]] Aug 14 23:03:01 jrockway: On screen keyboard is the blank widget in the top left. Aug 14 23:16:44 It's the left blank of the undivided two-blank panel. Aug 14 23:17:02 ah, ok Aug 14 23:17:07 the right blank picks which keyboard is activated when you press it. Aug 14 23:17:14 should i fix that? Aug 14 23:17:16 keyboard or xstroke Aug 14 23:17:21 jrockway: In the 2007.2 images I've built it hasn't started automatically, I have to manually run mbinputmgr Aug 14 23:17:23 or is there a deeper issue at hand? Aug 14 23:18:39 In yesterdays 2007.2 gsmd can't connect to the gsm modem at boot, but when restarting it manually (/etc/init.d/gsmd start/stop) it works fine. I've successfully called both in and out. Aug 14 23:20:07 well, i'd be more excited if my openmoko wasn't headed to germany. :) Aug 14 23:22:05 ditto Aug 14 23:22:14 headed to germany? Aug 14 23:22:35 ah, everything seems much nicer with the keyboard working :) Aug 14 23:25:23 anyone tell me what those two meant with headed to germany pls ? Aug 14 23:26:41 Their phones were mis-shipped, SrRaven. Aug 14 23:26:53 haha sorry to hear Aug 14 23:26:59 maybe it ends up in my postbox Aug 14 23:28:49 mine was taken by someone seeing a customer Aug 14 23:29:42 mine was mis-shipped. Aug 14 23:30:02 the emails all say germany, so i can't help but believe i typoed on the screen when i ordered. Aug 14 23:30:22 Where are you? Aug 14 23:30:27 have to look at an anti theft/phone home feature in the future Aug 14 23:30:28 a reply to my ship email has gone unanswered for a few hours now... Aug 14 23:30:35 speed: in the USA. ;P Aug 14 23:30:39 Ah. Aug 14 23:30:55 well if it lands in my postbox,be sure ill test if it works and send it to you :P Aug 14 23:30:55 (because, you know, all americans believe the default shipping is to the US.. ;P ) Aug 14 23:30:57 That's a pretty odd typo. How does United States turn into Germany? Aug 14 23:31:17 i wonder also :p Aug 14 23:31:18 ljp: you mean stolen? Aug 14 23:31:22 mellon: yea, suprises me. :) Aug 14 23:31:48 well. more or less. off my desk :) Aug 14 23:31:52 juri_: I suspect it wasn't your typo. Probably just an honest mistake. Aug 14 23:32:13 ljp: dude, that sucks! Aug 14 23:32:16 ljp: have it insured? Aug 14 23:32:26 ha Aug 14 23:32:42 neo is hot stuff "[ Aug 14 23:32:43 its ok. it was someone from here anyway.. Aug 14 23:32:48 Why ha? You can get mobile phone insurance. Aug 14 23:32:52 ah. Aug 14 23:33:02 So borrowed, not stolen? Aug 14 23:33:06 they don't insure linux phones (yet) :p Aug 14 23:33:11 depends on who you ask Aug 14 23:33:22 You can get insurance on anything. Aug 14 23:33:25 Rates vary. Aug 14 23:33:36 my cats have insurance Aug 14 23:33:54 I have insurance on my neuticles Aug 14 23:34:06 a phone home daemon that sends its position once a day would be cool Aug 14 23:34:24 wtf are neuticles? Aug 14 23:34:27 Yeah, one question: Aug 14 23:34:30 -ENOGPS Aug 14 23:34:37 Is it possible to wake up neo on a specific time? Aug 14 23:34:46 (you know, for it to act as an alarm clock for example) Aug 14 23:35:17 In principle - I think it's not implemented. Aug 14 23:35:26 doc|work: Silicone fake testicles. Aug 14 23:35:30 doc|work: I dunno, but they sound naughty, don't they Aug 14 23:35:33 mmazur: yeah just create a date script that plays a file Aug 14 23:35:41 mmazur: that's an upcoming feature... :') Aug 14 23:35:54 As to insurance. Aug 14 23:36:06 The first company I found wants 44 quid a year to insure my neo. Aug 14 23:36:08 SpeedEvil, meaning? Aug 14 23:36:30 SpeedEvil: 4 is better than two Aug 14 23:36:43 meaning its time to send it to some kind african prince to have it multiplied! Aug 14 23:36:46 * anrp coughs Aug 14 23:36:48 mmazur: wake on RTC is not implemented. Aug 14 23:36:54 yet. Aug 14 23:37:04 bummer Aug 14 23:37:22 AIUI, I may be wrong. Aug 14 23:38:06 SpeedEvil, in software, however hardware has the capability of getting programmed that way? Aug 14 23:38:10 yes. Aug 14 23:38:43 OM could make a pretty dollar selling insurance and long term support Aug 14 23:38:59 If the system goes to sleep while the screen is off, it's possible for it to wake up without any user-visible feedback (no screen flickr, etc)? Aug 14 23:39:24 yes. Aug 14 23:39:54 Ah. So my evil 'wake up every hour, send gps location' anti-theft system is doable! Aug 14 23:40:06 premium package server access would be a nice little earner Aug 14 23:40:14 sell maps etc Aug 14 23:40:59 Or even better: wake up on sms, check if it's a secret code, if is, do not tell user you've woken up, but do something evil. Aug 14 23:41:18 It's not evil if it's your phone. Aug 14 23:41:35 That's the ultimate tracking device. Neo should be marketed as a phone for your gf. Aug 14 23:41:40 "You'll always know where she is" Aug 14 23:42:04 yeah, the infamous granny tracker feature Aug 14 23:42:10 probably illegal in some cases Aug 14 23:42:23 Officialy it's an anti-theft system. Aug 14 23:42:41 depends, if you have a relative with dementia it is a great feature Aug 14 23:43:31 in the UK there are child tracker services now, kids actualy like it because parents know were they are so they dont get hassled as much Aug 14 23:43:56 yeah, right... Aug 14 23:43:57 *sigh* Aug 14 23:44:11 i have a child tracker service... its called my eyes and ears Aug 14 23:44:21 linux_galore: let me guess, the telcos had a report commissioned that said that? :) Aug 14 23:44:23 Stephmw: when I was a kid my parents would restrict me because they never knew were I was Aug 14 23:44:45 "it's ok if you go off murdering babies, once we know where you are" Aug 14 23:44:58 linux_galore: and now they do restrict you cause they know you've been out shopping for booze and porn? Aug 14 23:45:03 doc|work: no BBC did a thing on it then asked a few kids, one said he likes it because now he can go out more Aug 14 23:45:28 I'd be pissed if I was tagged constantly Aug 14 23:45:54 doc|home: well welcome to being restricted to you home at later hours Aug 14 23:46:00 your* Aug 14 23:46:22 it's impossible to be a teenager if you can't be obnoxious to your parents and making them already know where you are means they don't ask questions, which means you have no reason to be obnoxious :) Aug 14 23:46:41 where would the fun in that have been? :) Aug 14 23:46:42 doc|work: this isnt for teenagers its for "kids" Aug 14 23:46:56 linux_galore: then why aren't these kids being supervised? Aug 14 23:47:01 well, I would hate it if _anyone_ knew where I was all the time Aug 14 23:47:09 who lets "kids" off on their own like that? Aug 14 23:47:22 just leave the phone at a friend's a go wherever you want Aug 14 23:47:26 *and Aug 14 23:47:31 crap. building libgsm+svnnow is failing in bitbake. To my untrained eye, it looks as if the timestamp is causing the problem. svn download is done at 01:45 e.g. and instlaling at 01:46 which causes bitbake to use different timestamped directory names, thus failing. anyone got a good workaround? Aug 14 23:47:36 doc|work: they are with a tracker, if they say they are going to a mates place the parents know if they are there or not Aug 14 23:47:38 it's another case of technology filling in where parents should be doing their job Aug 14 23:47:39 doc|work: busy parents who don't care Aug 14 23:47:46 shackan: exactly, it's stupid Aug 14 23:48:10 linux_galore: why would you let your kids go to a place where you don't trust the parents to supervise them? Aug 14 23:48:26 and to complete the stupidity, does it come with a web2.0 online interface too ? Aug 14 23:48:41 doc|work: thats not the issue, how do you know the child is were they say they are Aug 14 23:49:01 you trust them...? Aug 14 23:49:12 linux_galore: because they're *supposed* to be getting supervised by the other kid's parents Aug 14 23:49:13 I wouldn't exactly agree that it's the parent's job to *always* know where a child is. Aug 14 23:49:15 i know most don't, just saying Aug 14 23:49:21 anrp: hahahahahaha, oh riiiiiight Aug 14 23:49:23 mmazur: enough for it to be safe Aug 14 23:49:27 * rwhitby wonders if this is #child-raising now ... Aug 14 23:49:34 hehehe Aug 14 23:49:48 rwhitby, the neo is a universal platform, you know. Aug 14 23:49:50 i would never trust me Aug 14 23:49:51 it's definitely not #technology-raising-kids Aug 14 23:49:56 so... take that as you will >_> Aug 14 23:49:57 It... vibrates. Aug 14 23:50:04 anrp: yeah, I wouldn't trust you either Aug 14 23:50:06 And that helps with #child-forking. Aug 14 23:50:09 * doc|work eyes anrp Aug 14 23:50:09 doc|work: aah so while they are "supposed" to be supervised at another parents house they are getting kidnapped Aug 14 23:50:15 D:< Aug 14 23:50:20 mmazur: it helps with #not-forking-children actually :) Aug 14 23:50:33 mmmm Aug 14 23:50:37 always remember to wait() for your children, or they'll zombify Aug 14 23:50:39 linux_galore: then you're fucked anyway, because no smart kidnapper is going to keep the kids phone where it can be positioned Aug 14 23:50:45 pardon my french Aug 14 23:50:47 all this time I tought it was just a phone... Aug 14 23:51:04 doc|work: actually your average crim is pretty thick Aug 14 23:51:05 i rather prefer to sleep() the kids Aug 14 23:51:11 does it come with a babe magnet ? Aug 14 23:51:31 shackan: it comes with the light on the pointer. Aug 14 23:51:35 Use that for hypnosis. Aug 14 23:51:43 or just blind them Aug 14 23:51:46 shackan, it does Aug 14 23:51:47 with teh lazor!!1 Aug 14 23:51:57 shackan, but just tell them what it runs Aug 14 23:51:59 linux_galore: who doesn't know that a mobile can't be positioned? Aug 14 23:52:03 their eyes glaze over Aug 14 23:52:17 doc|work: who doesnt know the kid even has a mobile Aug 14 23:52:21 especially a crim whose business it would be to know what can be a liability Aug 14 23:52:33 doc|work, so if we stuff neo with kid porn, then there's a chance that the kidnapper won't discard it, thus saving the childs life! Aug 14 23:52:40 see this is what happens when you take think of the children to the logical extreme! Aug 14 23:52:40 mmazur: hah Aug 14 23:52:45 Someone should write that down as a marketing strategy. Aug 14 23:52:47 * anrp does not rejoin discussion Aug 14 23:53:04 at the end of the day, *you* should be supervising your kids, or leaving them with someone you trust to be supervising them. Aug 14 23:53:13 not leaving it to a phone Aug 14 23:53:15 parentd Aug 14 23:53:33 can we take the parenting advice elsewhere? it's really offtopic here. (and yes, I am speaking as a parent) Aug 14 23:53:41 * doc|work is done Aug 14 23:54:51 mhm. jupp. libgsm is currently not buildable as the svn name is timestamped and does _change_ during the build. Aug 14 23:55:52 ixs: .1 or .2 ? Aug 14 23:56:33 rwhitby: 0.1 Aug 14 23:56:44 rwhitby: I'd love to build .2 but have no clue how to do that... Aug 14 23:56:45 :( Aug 14 23:57:28 ixs: .1 just built for me here. Aug 14 23:57:41 ixs: there's a wiki page for .2 Aug 14 23:58:02 rwhitby: the .2 page was a bit low on details I fear on how to actually build it. Aug 14 23:58:35 ixs: new directory, nslu2-linux Makefile, "make openmoko", wait :-) Aug 14 23:59:17 rwhitby: .1 is being called with libgsmd-0.1+svnnow-r0_0_200708142345 for do_configure et all, but libgsmd-0.1+svnnow-r0_0_200708142346 is used for do_install resulting in a makefile error about a non existing make target. no wonder, as the dir is empty. Aug 14 23:59:24 rwhitby: ohh. nice. Aug 14 23:59:35 gonna try this then on the quad opteron. Aug 14 23:59:35 ixs: do a clean-package-libgsmd and rebuild Aug 14 23:59:56 rwhitby: bitbake clean-package-libgsmd or what? Aug 15 00:00:01 the svnnow stuff is not very reliable when your build crosses GMT midnight. Aug 15 00:00:09 ixs: make ... Aug 15 00:00:40 (which is the same as bitbake -c clean ... with the right environment set up) Aug 15 00:00:52 rwhitby: I'm doing a scratch build without makefile, so I have to rely on the bitbake call Aug 15 00:02:46 ixs: any reason why you're not using the mokomakefile? (not a judgement, just interested why) Aug 15 00:04:13 rwhitby: I planned on building .2, which is not supported by mokomakefile AFAIK and as the build installations were kinda slim I thought about familarizing myself with the lowlevel build stuff first... Aug 15 00:05:53 rwhitby: check pastebin.ca/657637 please. It's the error I'm seeing here. note the different timestamps, they are one minute off Aug 15 00:06:55 ixs: yep, I saw the same thing - that's a low-level bitbake issue, so nothing I can do. Aug 15 00:08:36 :( Aug 15 00:09:26 can you raise a bugzilla on it, noting it as a bitbake problem? Aug 15 00:09:34 (it may well go away when we move to .2) Aug 15 00:09:55 will do Aug 15 00:10:03 just got the bugzilla mail. Aug 15 00:15:46 rwhitby: #706 Aug 15 00:15:54 * * OM Bug 706 has been created by andreas(AT)bawue.net Aug 15 00:15:55 * * libgsm does not build as timestamped filenames change Aug 15 00:15:56 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=706 Aug 15 00:17:07 rwhitby: something else: nslu2 makefile does not really handle the mtn db migrate issue. Would make a nice wishlist item. :D Aug 15 00:17:40 ixs: I'm going to create om2007.1 and om2007.2 branches of mokomakefile, it will be fixed there. Aug 15 00:18:18 rwhitby: great. eta? Aug 15 00:19:08 ixs: when I get some time outside of my real job. Aug 15 00:19:58 ahh. the pesky real life issue... :-) Aug 15 00:20:31 theres time when people don't work? i mean, other than sleeping? :) Aug 15 00:26:12 D: Aug 15 00:26:21 some of us do ... various other things Aug 15 00:28:31 anrp: inconceivable. This has to stop. :D Aug 15 00:32:02 agreed. comply. resistance is futile. :) Aug 15 00:32:36 but..! Aug 15 00:34:55 anrp: thank you sir, that will be enough. please return to your work. :D Aug 15 00:35:44 * anrp is hard at work... doing nothing Aug 15 00:35:57 i'm telling you, idling is a full time occupation Aug 15 00:36:05 mhm. does .2 make phonecalls? some nice person at the ccc camp said something along the line of "8ball says: ask me again" Aug 15 00:36:16 depends on the phase of the moon Aug 15 00:36:28 anrp: ohh yeah. With all that idling I managed to barely work for my studies. :D Aug 15 00:37:48 *gaaaak* my plektron disappeared... Aug 15 00:39:59 Mornin' all. Aug 15 00:40:20 Has anyone seen this (while building 2007.2): Aug 15 00:40:46 QEMU is throwing a segfault while bb is building glibc Aug 15 00:40:54 * * OM Bug 707 has been created by mickey(AT)vanille-media.de Aug 15 00:40:55 * * modem/gsmd does not start in a reliable way (if at all) on boot Aug 15 00:40:56 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=707 Aug 15 00:41:18 ls Aug 15 00:41:42 OE is set up right, I think, because this is like task no. 269 out of eleventy-billion Aug 15 00:42:16 Previous tasks completed fine Aug 15 00:42:18 quicksand: do the binary locales thingo Aug 15 00:42:31 rwhitby: the what now? Aug 15 00:44:24 put ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" in your local.conf file. Aug 15 00:44:28 I do have ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "1" in local.conf Aug 15 00:44:33 Ah ha, oops. Aug 15 00:44:45 (and please add this to the mokomakefile wiki page tips section. Aug 15 00:45:01 I'll try this. If it works I'll definitely update the wiki. Aug 15 00:45:51 * quicksand offers rwhitby a big pile of thanks, which is easy enough because they actually don't weigh much Aug 15 00:47:02 quicksand: you're running on a redhat-based distro host? Aug 15 00:47:19 rwhitby: Ubuntu 7.04, 64-bit Aug 15 00:47:46 Not using the master makefile or mokomakefile -- just bitbake openmoko-devel-image Aug 15 00:47:50 64bit cell phone would be nice Aug 15 00:47:58 weird - I had thought that work-around was only required on redhat-based distros. Aug 15 00:48:14 I'll find out later tonight. Aug 15 00:48:48 quicksand: you realise that 64-bit means you're gonna get breakage now and again cause OE always seems to break on 64-bit for various reasons (I guess most developers only test on 32-bit) Aug 15 00:49:01 I was building 2007(.1) successfully via the mokomakefile Aug 15 00:49:08 although that's probably getting better these days Aug 15 00:49:27 (Hat off to you for that, BTW) Aug 15 00:49:46 quicksand: building om2007.2 via the nslu2-linux makefile would have put the work-around in for you automatically ;-) Aug 15 00:50:09 Heh. Figures. That's what I get for trying to learn how things work. Aug 15 00:50:27 I'm diving into OE without looking for rocks. Aug 15 00:50:39 rwhitby: what about adding a setarch call when on 64bit? Aug 15 00:51:23 rwhitby: for what's it worth, ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION=1 does work without problems on the local fedora 7 installation Aug 15 00:51:28 ixs: I have no idea what you're talking about, having never had a 64-bit machine Aug 15 00:53:27 rwhitby: ohkay. There's a binary, called setarch. It will do some magic stuff to make the following binary think it's on a different architecture. Aug 15 00:53:30 [root@sysiphus2 ~]# uname -smpio Aug 15 00:53:33 Linux x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux Aug 15 00:53:37 [root@sysiphus2 ~]# setarch i386 uname -smpio Aug 15 00:53:40 Linux i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux Aug 15 00:53:42 [root@sysiphus2 ~]# Aug 15 00:54:03 rwhitby: i'm on a 64bit machine, with a 64bit kernel, and a 32bit userspace. everything breaks here. ;) Aug 15 00:54:08 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Reality_check_reminder]] [[Wish_List]] [[Technical:Accelerometer_Fundamentals]] [[P1_Owners]] [[OpenMoko2007.2]] Aug 15 00:54:19 ixs: so someone could go "setarch i386 make ..." ? Aug 15 00:54:32 just put a setarch i386 bitbake into the makefile and the 64bit problems will disappear as the buildscript thinks it's being run on a real ia32 machine and there's no crap like /lib64 or so being used Aug 15 00:55:08 rwhitby: I never tried setarch on make but I've been using it on mock (the fedora autobuilder) with good results. Aug 15 00:55:21 so yes, it should basically work with setarch i386 make whatever Aug 15 00:55:51 and setarch aint gonna be on all machines, so I can't really put it unconditionally in the makefile, and testing when it is required may be complex too Aug 15 00:57:39 uname -m | grep -q x86_64 Aug 15 00:57:44 test $? -eq 0 Aug 15 00:57:48 this should be enough. Aug 15 00:58:35 okay, might be problematic for ppc64, so just grepping for 64 might be better Aug 15 00:59:25 Anyone know where I can get some block diagram of how the audio is wired and what each of the doohickys are in alsamixer? Aug 15 00:59:54 bschrock: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem Aug 15 01:00:05 TY! Aug 15 01:02:44 * cesarb received his payment confirmation yesterday, no tracking number yet, and is anxious Aug 15 01:02:58 :) Aug 15 01:03:17 dude, you don't have yours yet? wow. Anyway, that's really good news! Aug 15 01:04:08 cesarb: when order? Aug 15 01:05:04 cesarb: well, the order process is a bit strange. I received the payment and traking notes and afterwards the mail to please confirm whether I still want the device as it's not usable right now... WTF? Aug 15 01:05:42 this all after I received a mail from a human to please order the device anew as the shipping cannot be changed. 5mins later I get another amail that the shipping has been changed... Aug 15 01:05:51 SpeedEvil: the order confirmation email is from 13-07 (exactly one month...) Aug 15 01:05:55 but, the thing arrived... Aug 15 01:06:38 mellon_: I think I managed to get exactly after the line between the first 1000 phones and the next batch... Aug 15 01:06:48 Ouch. Aug 15 01:07:07 At least you are on the right side of the line. Aug 15 01:07:46 mellon_: I think (looking at the P1 owners wiki page) mine was like some 8 phones after the dividing line :D Aug 15 01:08:30 Oh well. It's a lousy phone anyway - you can't even make calls on it... Aug 15 01:08:31 * cesarb isn't very concerned about the delay... I'm more concerned about the customs, and what is the correct procedure to pay the tax Aug 15 01:08:31 ;') Aug 15 01:08:45 how useful. standing up makes the plektron fall down. yay. found it. :D Aug 15 01:09:01 mellon_: being able to make calls on it is just to avoid having to carry another gadget Aug 15 01:09:04 cesarb: customs in germany was something like 77EUR and ups collected it at the door Aug 15 01:09:19 cesarb: I think you may be right... :') Aug 15 01:09:50 ixs: I suppose customs here will be 60%, if I read all the pages correctly... I just have no clue HOW will it be collected (I hope they just give me a DARF form) Aug 15 01:09:59 If it worked out-of-the-box what good would it do for our nerd-martyr credibility? None, I say. Aug 15 01:10:05 (ok, DARF form was as bad as PIN number) Aug 15 01:10:19 quicksand: amen Aug 15 01:10:37 Wow, someone's done a bluetooth card for the Apple ][... Aug 15 01:11:07 mellon_: wow Aug 15 01:11:08 quicksand: I managed to build mokomakefile in two different roundabout ways already (using /bin/dash as /bin/sh and using eabi instead of oabi), making patches in both cases, so I guess I'm covered :D Aug 15 01:11:20 mellon_: wow Aug 15 01:11:31 cesarb: where you are at? Aug 15 01:11:36 ixs: Brazil Aug 15 01:11:42 cesarb: Wow. At least you're putting the waiting time to good use. I did diddly-squat. Aug 15 01:11:58 It's pretty cool - means we can tap into the thriving Apple ][ market with some excellent open source synchronization tools for Apple DOS. Aug 15 01:12:03 cesarb: mhm. dunno. germany has a no customs for computer parts, just vat tax which comes down to 19% Aug 15 01:13:10 ixs: I think I will have to pay no tax on it other than the import tax (it's a simplified import tax for goods sent by mail up to a certain value) Aug 15 02:21:36 ahhh... ssh'd to my moko via bluetooth Aug 15 02:22:06 i just booted for the first time :) Aug 15 02:22:27 too bad dropbear can't support sshfs Aug 15 02:24:53 looks like if one gets sftp-server from openssh it might work though... :) Aug 15 02:30:15 bah openssh configure is broken... ill look at that later Aug 15 02:33:35 happycube: scp Aug 15 02:54:28 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Phase_1_Software_Testing]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Flashing_openmoko]] [[User:Ashnazg]] Aug 15 02:54:53 hehe... it's watching me... Aug 15 02:59:32 yeah scp'd work... but sshfs is just so much fun **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 15 02:59:57 2007