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Aug 16 02:59:57 <rmitchell> it can't turn everything off?
Aug 16 03:00:07 <Writchie> its a developer version
Aug 16 03:00:09 <rmitchell> ah
Aug 16 03:00:12 <rwhitby> sure it can, it just doesn't yet.
Aug 16 03:00:29 <Writchie> unfortunately, power management and sleep wakeup is complex
Aug 16 03:00:33 <jaebird> why does monotone suck all of my cpu? why couldn't it be more like bittorrent :(
Aug 16 03:00:36 <Writchie> and takes time to get working
Aug 16 03:01:00 <rmitchell> the wiki said to expect 2 days life in the final (phase 2 I assume) release
Aug 16 03:01:02 <rmitchell> at least
Aug 16 03:01:25 <rmitchell> though it did say they don't know for sure, I think 2 days was worst case
Aug 16 03:01:36 <rmitchell> still, my RAZR only gets 1 day
Aug 16 03:02:57 <sagacis> my old nokia 3595 gets about a week
Aug 16 03:03:12 <sagacis> of course, it can't do anything cool. It barely dials.
Aug 16 03:03:21 <jaebird> i plug in my E2 every night whether it needs it or not
Aug 16 03:03:40 <jaebird> i hate the low battery chirp every 3 min
Aug 16 03:05:41 <rmitchell> neo should get IR so that it can be a TV/ mythTV remote...
Aug 16 03:05:53 <sagacis> on 2007.2, the gsmd is crashing every few minutes
Aug 16 03:06:23 <sagacis> I run libgsm-tool, power on, register and sit there.  After about 2 minutes, I get an ERROR reding(sic) from gsm_fd
Aug 16 03:06:36 <sagacis> rmitchell, I can think of cheaper alternatives
Aug 16 03:07:22 <rmitchell> yeah, but still, remote control from your phone...
Aug 16 03:07:38 <rwhitby> rmitchell: you're thinking about it the wrong way.
Aug 16 03:07:55 * cesarb is starting to wonder just how many people in this channel have a Razr
Aug 16 03:07:59 <rwhitby> the Neo will connect via bluetooth to your home BT access point, and direct the mythtv box to change the channel over TCP/IP.
Aug 16 03:08:49 <rmitchell> bluetooth control would be sweet
Aug 16 03:08:49 <rwhitby> you will also be able to bring up the TV guide on the Neo, and select programs for recording by just hitting them with your finger.
Aug 16 03:09:01 <rmitchell> t'would be cool
Aug 16 03:09:09 <rmitchell> bet the iphone can't do that
Aug 16 03:09:21 <rwhitby> (and also follow the drop-down box to get to imdb.com to see if the movie is going to be any good)
Aug 16 03:09:33 <rmitchell> i wonder how many people in the channel have iphones...
Aug 16 03:09:34 <rwhitby> actually the iphone will be able to do that easily
Aug 16 03:09:38 <rmitchell> really?
Aug 16 03:09:52 <rmitchell> not with the current closed app situ
Aug 16 03:10:10 <rwhitby> yep, the mythtv box will export a web server interface, and the ajax stuff on the iphone will interact with that,
Aug 16 03:10:16 <rmitchell> ah
Aug 16 03:10:38 <rwhitby> there are many ways to skin a cat.
Aug 16 03:10:51 <rmitchell> so you could do it on anything that can connect to your lan
Aug 16 03:11:24 <rwhitby> well, you can also tunnel into your lan from any internet connection via ssh, and do it from anywhere in the world.
Aug 16 03:12:45 <rmitchell> though you would need good eyesight to see the screen
Aug 16 03:13:02 <rmitchell> or if you were just setting it to record...then that would be swell
Aug 16 03:14:12 <rmitchell> well, keep up the good work guys
Aug 16 03:14:15 * rmitchell out
Aug 16 03:18:17 <arw_> se you tomorrow
Aug 16 03:41:34 <juri_> congrats on the patch.
Aug 16 03:42:09 <juri_> Base on the record, your shipping address is in Germany and the package
Aug 16 03:42:09 <juri_> is already in the custom. You can pickup your merchant after you went
Aug 16 03:42:09 <juri_> back to Germany.
Aug 16 03:42:28 <juri_> i havent been to germany in 23 years.
Aug 16 03:46:26 <juri_> my cellphone has litearly been sent halfway across the planet from me.
Aug 16 03:52:46 <aloril> http://www.openembedded.org/openmoko-hires-developer-devoted-to-openembedded
Aug 16 04:03:19 <summatusmentis> aloril: has there been an official announcement from fic yet?
Aug 16 04:03:58 <aloril> summatusmentis: not seen anything, found above link from google blog search
Aug 16 04:04:24 <summatusmentis> ah, ok
Aug 16 04:12:21 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03laforge * r2709 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (6 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
Aug 16 04:12:21 <CIA-20> openmoko: From: Andrzej Zaborowski <balrog@zabor.org>
Aug 16 04:12:21 <CIA-20> openmoko: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:03:16 +0200
Aug 16 04:12:21 <CIA-20> openmoko: Subject: [PATCH] Multiline commands support. Miscellaneous bugs.
Aug 16 04:12:21 <CIA-20> openmoko: This adds support for commands like +CMGS and +CMGW that span mroe than one
Aug 16 04:12:22 <CIA-20> openmoko: line and the lines can't be sent to modem as separate commands because every
Aug 16 04:12:26 <CIA-20> openmoko: next line has to wait for a "> " prompt from modem before writing (otherwise
Aug 16 04:14:54 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03laforge * r2710 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (10 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed)
Aug 16 04:14:54 <CIA-20> openmoko: From 294d27e78680d497da22e3a8ad679f50d1ba29e5 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
Aug 16 04:14:54 <CIA-20> openmoko: From: Andrzej Zaborowski <balrog@zabor.org>
Aug 16 04:14:54 <CIA-20> openmoko: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:11:10 +0200
Aug 16 04:14:54 <CIA-20> openmoko: Subject: [PATCH] SMS support in gsmd and in libgsmd.
Aug 16 04:14:55 <CIA-20> openmoko: This adds the proper support for sms related calls in libgsmd and their
Aug 16 04:14:59 <CIA-20> openmoko: implementation in gsmd.
Aug 16 04:16:38 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03laforge * r2711 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (8 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
Aug 16 04:16:38 <CIA-20> openmoko: From 5b7c50fd08b8f76f761958c8a8243e6c23118fa3 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
Aug 16 04:16:38 <CIA-20> openmoko: From: Andrzej Zaborowski <balrog@zabor.org>
Aug 16 04:16:38 <CIA-20> openmoko: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:26:46 +0200
Aug 16 04:16:38 <CIA-20> openmoko: Subject: [PATCH] Incoming SMS events
Aug 16 04:16:39 <CIA-20> openmoko: This is a proposed patch to emit a gsmd event when a new SMS arrives, also
Aug 16 04:16:43 <CIA-20> openmoko: modifies libgsmd-tool to display the notification. It makes sms_cb.c compile
Aug 16 04:22:47 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03laforge * r2712 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Dynamic registration of unsolicited responses (Andrzej Zaborowski)
Aug 16 04:32:32 <blindcoder> moin
Aug 16 04:34:13 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03rwhitby 07OM-2007.2 * r123 10mokomakefile/Makefile: Fixed the om2007.2 site.conf file to remove the missing bb files error.
Aug 16 04:34:29 <rabble> hey, so i got my openmoko phone, and i'm trying to flash it, i get this:
Aug 16 04:34:30 <rabble> Cannot set alternate interface: usb_set_altinterface: could not set alternate interface
Aug 16 04:35:15 <rabble> anybody run in to this?
Aug 16 04:35:15 <aloril> rabble: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
Aug 16 04:35:34 <rabble> aloril: i checked the faq, but i'll double check :)
Aug 16 04:35:54 <aloril> rabble: hehe, well, not seen it myself
Aug 16 04:36:21 <rwhitby> rabble: what does dfu-util -l say?
Aug 16 04:43:11 <rabble> http://pastie.caboo.se/88153
Aug 16 04:43:22 <rabble> seems to have found dfu-util
Aug 16 04:43:57 <rwhitby> ok, and what happens when you try and flash?
Aug 16 04:44:09 <orzo> where can i find the config for the stroke sequences to key mapping?
Aug 16 04:44:45 <rabble> http://pastie.caboo.se/88153
Aug 16 04:45:12 <rwhitby> you didn't show the command line
Aug 16 04:45:20 <rabble> i'm doing it on os x
Aug 16 04:45:48 <rwhitby> oh, ok.  I'll step out then - I have no idea about what OS X dfu-util does, or whether it even works.
Aug 16 04:46:06 <roh> whow... bb1.8 scrolling makes me much more sleepy than 1.6 ... if i should file that as bug or as already fulfulled feature enhancement is unclear ;)
Aug 16 04:46:57 <rabble> ok, i'll give it a go on my ubuntu box, probably easier
Aug 16 04:47:44 <bluefir> howdy all
Aug 16 04:47:56 <aloril> reportedly doesn't work if ubuntu running in vmware
Aug 16 04:49:02 <rabble> aloril: na, i've got a real ubuntu box
Aug 16 04:49:18 <bluefir> Has anyone had any issues with I/O errors scping files to the neo?
Aug 16 04:49:56 <bluefir> orzo: the config for stroke is /usr/share/matchbox-stroke/strokes.xml
Aug 16 04:50:47 <orzo> thanks, bluefir 
Aug 16 04:52:14 <bluefir> scp for one file, sometimes two, works fine, but any more than that and it fails with "scp: /media/card/<file>: Input/output error".
Aug 16 04:54:44 <bluefir> orzo: I don't know if the "modes" are enabled. I haven't looked closely, so I'm not sure how to enter <Ctrl> <Alt> and <Shift>, but other than that it's pretty well configurable.
Aug 16 04:55:09 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]]
Aug 16 05:06:31 <CM> bluefir: How do you do a [Return] with the stroke thing?
Aug 16 05:06:53 <anticw> do any fic/openmoko people lurk here?
Aug 16 05:07:05 <anticw> given email to them is busted...
Aug 16 05:07:06 <bluefir> The default is upper right to lower left.
Aug 16 05:07:25 <CM> anticw: Yes, a few do
Aug 16 05:07:44 <CM> bluefir: Ok, thanks. Just tried a bit yesterday but couldn't find it
Aug 16 05:08:11 <anticw> CM: the issue is a billing/delivery issue... any idea who i bitch to w/o spamming the list or bitching here?
Aug 16 05:08:39 <CM> Hmm.. Don't think there's any of those guys here, only devs
Aug 16 05:08:47 <bluefir> cworth has some docs on his site at http://cworth.org/~cworth/papers/xstroke/
Aug 16 05:08:59 <anticw> wonderful, they've billed me for cancelled order
Aug 16 05:09:15 <anticw> i suspect they sales have been slack so they just started sending what they can get away with
Aug 16 05:09:24 * anticw is annoyed
Aug 16 05:09:34 <CM> anticw: and orders@openmoko.com does not answer?
Aug 16 05:09:41 <CM> That sucks..
Aug 16 05:09:47 <anticw> mail to @openmoko.com never gets there
Aug 16 05:09:55 <anticw> they do some reverse sender lookup something and it fails
Aug 16 05:10:08 <anticw> i have no idea why, and to be honest such email addresss should be liberal in what they accept
Aug 16 05:12:18 <rwhitby> anticw: I wouldn't be quick to ascribe to malice something which can be easily explained by a simple mistake.  Talk to mickey|zzZZzz, LaF0rge, or roh here and they should be able to escalate an incorrect billing for you to the right people if your emails are not getting through.
Aug 16 05:13:44 <aloril> anticw: just to check, did you mail from same address that you put to order page?
Aug 16 05:13:56 <anticw> aloril: yes
Aug 16 05:14:08 <roh> hm.. does INHERIT += "rm_work" not work anymore with bb 1.8?
Aug 16 05:14:20 <anticw> anyhow, it's just a mistake, im super cranky over something else and need a cookie or something
Aug 16 05:14:21 <rwhitby> As for sales being slack, I believe they are waiting for shipment of new devices to fulfil existing orders, so I doubt they would knowingly be trying to send one to someone who has cancelled their order (where the cancellation actually got through to the right person).
Aug 16 05:15:19 <CM> roh: It did with 1.8.6 for me, but I haven't been able to build with the latest version checked out by the mokomakefile
Aug 16 05:15:40 <rwhitby> roh: hmm - it seems perhaps not - best report that to mickey|zzZZzz 
Aug 16 05:15:47 <ckuethe> while : ; do echo cookie >> ~anticw/.mozilla/cookies.txt ; done
Aug 16 05:16:07 <roh> *sigh* that means i have to postpone the build soon...
Aug 16 05:17:15 <anticw> rwhitby: well, i did once order it...  i just decided it was too raw and i had so few cycles to deal with it
Aug 16 05:17:50 <roh> CM why not? it seems to work for me.. just eats diskspace as hell
Aug 16 05:18:14 <CM> roh: I get a lot of ERROR: EOL while scanning single-quoted string (line 1) while parsing /home/moko/openembedded/packages/openmoko-panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-usb_svn.bb
Aug 16 05:18:50 <CM> And also: NOTE: This BitBake doesn't support revision fetching, falling back to current date
Aug 16 05:19:14 <CM> It has worked before, so maybe it's an issue with 2007.2
Aug 16 05:19:20 * CM waits and sees
Aug 16 05:19:41 <CM> I'm more annoyed that uboot borks every time I reboot the neo
Aug 16 05:19:52 <roh> CM i dunno if the patches from 1.6 were already patched
Aug 16 05:20:03 <roh> eh ported
Aug 16 05:20:09 <CM> Could be that
Aug 16 05:20:26 <rwhitby> CM: have you tried make clobber-bitbake ?
Aug 16 05:20:38 <rwhitby> cause I get none of that stuff
Aug 16 05:20:53 <CM> No rule for that
Aug 16 05:21:54 <CM> I'll try update and setup again
Aug 16 05:27:18 <CM> rwhitby: I updated, and now I get even more errors. Guess I'll wait until bitbake is back in shape :)
Aug 16 05:28:52 <rwhitby> CM: what's the output of (cd bitbake ; svn info .) ?
Aug 16 05:29:05 <rwhitby> it should be:
Aug 16 05:29:06 <rwhitby> URL: svn://svn.berlios.de/bitbake/branches/bitbake-1.8
Aug 16 05:29:12 <rwhitby> Revision: 893
Aug 16 05:29:26 <CM> Last Changed Rev: 899
Aug 16 05:29:36 <CM> Revision: 900
Aug 16 05:29:45 <CM> Ok, that's why I guess
Aug 16 05:30:13 <CM> URL: svn://svn.berlios.de/bitbake/branches/bitbake-1.8 is the same
Aug 16 05:30:43 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03rwhitby 07OM-2007.2 * r124 10mokomakefile/Makefile: Added clobber-bitbake target
Aug 16 05:31:17 <rwhitby> ok, I'm at 900 now too.
Aug 16 05:31:44 <rwhitby> removed build/tmp/cache to force a reparse ...
Aug 16 05:31:56 <rwhitby> 10% and parsing with no errors
Aug 16 05:32:14 <CM> It got to about 93% for me
Aug 16 05:32:22 <CM> Then all the svn stuff starts
Aug 16 05:32:32 <CM> A lot of ERROR: "type object 'C' has no attribute '_append__mutable__'" while parsing /home/moko/openembedded/packages/python/python-* first
Aug 16 05:32:36 <rwhitby> CM: note that I have *never* installed bitbake on any of my machines.  I always use the local svn checkout.
Aug 16 05:32:55 <rwhitby> RP: ^^^
Aug 16 05:33:11 <rwhitby> (RP was the last to make changes to bitbake 1.8 branch)
Aug 16 05:33:27 <CM> I noticed that yesterday
Aug 16 05:33:54 <rwhitby> CM: what host OS?
Aug 16 05:34:04 <CM> Gentoo 64 bit
Aug 16 05:34:10 <rwhitby> NOTE: Parsing finished. 0 cached, 4349 parsed, 224 skipped, 0 masked.
Aug 16 05:34:11 <rwhitby> no errors
Aug 16 05:34:18 <rwhitby> Debian Etch 32 bit.
Aug 16 05:34:24 <CM> Ok, then I have something messed up.. Hmm..
Aug 16 05:34:47 <CM> I did build 2007.1 just a few minutes before I tried 2007.2
Aug 16 05:34:48 <rwhitby> or there is a problem with bitbake on gentoo 64 bit ...
Aug 16 05:35:10 <rwhitby> CM: I've been switching this dir back and forward between .1 and .2 all day
Aug 16 05:35:43 <CM> I'm using Python 2.4.4
Aug 16 05:44:55 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03laforge * r2713 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (7 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed)
Aug 16 05:44:55 <CIA-20> openmoko: Operator Selection (Andrzej Zaborowski)
Aug 16 05:44:55 <CIA-20> openmoko: This adds gsmd/libgsmd/libgmsd-tool commands to:
Aug 16 05:44:55 <CIA-20> openmoko:  * query available operators,
Aug 16 05:44:55 <CIA-20> openmoko:  * register to given operator,
Aug 16 05:44:56 <CIA-20> openmoko:  * register automatically (like gsmd did until now),
Aug 16 05:45:00 <CIA-20> openmoko:  * deregister,
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Aug 16 06:14:19 <rwhitby> CM: 2.4.4 here too
Aug 16 06:19:40 <CM> rwhitby: I guess I'm the one who have messed up somehowe.. Now 2007.1 fails to compile too. I'll look around and try to see what I've screwed up.
Aug 16 06:30:20 <CM> rwhitby: I nuked the whole directory and restarted from scratch, and now it works. :)
Aug 16 06:33:54 <rwhitby> sweet
Aug 16 06:39:28 <CM> rwhitby: Thanks for your patience :)
Aug 16 06:41:08 <rwhitby> thx for testing
Aug 16 06:44:26 <CM> rwhitby: I'm a gentoo user, think I can leave my computer standing without something to compile?!? ;)
Aug 16 06:44:45 <rwhitby> heh
Aug 16 06:50:09 <ljp> oe needs something like SETI at home... :)
Aug 16 06:52:20 <CM> ljp: That would give my Neo some work.. ;)
Aug 16 07:48:04 <_diego_> hi
Aug 16 07:48:40 <florian> good morning
Aug 16 07:49:34 <_diego_> i'm trying to compile opemoko from sources but i'm getting some wired error
Aug 16 07:50:32 <_diego_> Parsing .bb files, please wait...NOTE: This BitBake doesn't support revision fetching, falling back to current date
Aug 16 07:50:35 <_diego_> NOTE: exceptions.SyntaxError:EOL while scanning single-quoted string (line 1) while evaluating:
Aug 16 07:51:02 <_diego_> this after doing a mnt pull & mnt update
Aug 16 07:51:25 <xkr47> sounds like someone accidentally put a ' there
Aug 16 07:52:03 <_diego_> this is the line:
Aug 16 07:52:07 <_diego_> ${@['', 'openmoko-panel-battery (>= 0.1.0+svn${SVNREV})'][packaged(bb.data.getVar('PN', d, 1), d) == True]}
Aug 16 07:52:21 <_diego_> it looks fine....
Aug 16 07:52:58 <CM> _diego_: I've had that problem too
Aug 16 07:53:15 <CM> http://www.acc.umu.se/~cm/bitbake_errors.txt
Aug 16 07:54:04 <CM> I tried everything to get around it. Eventually I just cleaned out the whole directory and started from scratch
Aug 16 07:54:32 <CM> If you use bitbake from HEAD, go back to r896 and it will work again
Aug 16 07:56:44 <rxr> it's a pitty OpenMoko uses OE just because they accidently hired one or two people that wrote parts of OE ...
Aug 16 07:57:42 <Dmitry_Platonov> rxr, lol
Aug 16 07:58:07 <rxr> yeah - barely anyone uses it, motsly because it is such a pain to use ...
Aug 16 07:58:09 <_diego_> probably the hired some ppl of OE just becouse they are using it ...
Aug 16 07:58:50 <rxr> half of my customers are people who burned their fingers with OE
Aug 16 07:58:51 <kristian-m> rxr so what should one use?
Aug 16 07:59:16 <_diego_> btw, it's not so a pain, i used it for a custom board, and it saved me a lot of time
Aug 16 07:59:24 <rxr> http://t2-project.org/, for example
Aug 16 07:59:37 <rxr> it even has a homepage that has news newer than summer 2006 :-)
Aug 16 08:00:25 <kristian-m> rxr :-) right, ah its you, greetings
Aug 16 08:01:05 <kristian-m> rxr have you ordered a neo?
Aug 16 08:01:08 <rxr> kristian-m: heh, so you are TFH kristian ?
Aug 16 08:01:14 <kristian-m> yes :-)
Aug 16 08:01:27 <rxr> hehe the second one from Berlin I know in this channel
Aug 16 08:01:29 <rxr> what a fun :-)
Aug 16 08:01:43 <rxr> kristian-m: yeah we have a Neo - for creating a proper T2 target, obviously ...
Aug 16 08:01:50 <roh> rxr there are some more ;)
Aug 16 08:02:06 <rxr> roh: Berlin or people who know me ? :-)
Aug 16 08:02:17 <roh> moko people from berlin
Aug 16 08:02:20 * mickey|zzZZzz smells OE-bashing and wakes up
Aug 16 08:02:33 <rxr> hehehe
Aug 16 08:02:35 <kristian-m> rxr if you need support or other neos to try let me know
Aug 16 08:02:42 <mickey|zzZZzz> "accidently hired one or two people that wrote parts of OE"
Aug 16 08:02:44 <roh> mickey|zzZZzz i want to!;)
Aug 16 08:02:49 <mickey|zzZZzz> this is an offense
Aug 16 08:03:02 <rxr> kristian-m: what do you mean ?
Aug 16 08:03:33 <kristian-m> rxr for interconnection tests or something...
Aug 16 08:03:50 <rxr> kristian-m: heh, I think that is a little away
Aug 16 08:03:58 <rxr> kristian-m: what are you doing these days?
Aug 16 08:04:00 <Dmitry_Platonov> rxr, is there any T2 images for neo?
Aug 16 08:04:03 <rxr> kristian-m: still studying ?
Aug 16 08:04:10 <rxr> Dmitry_Platonov: not yet
Aug 16 08:04:25 <kristian-m> rxr yes, just finished my diploma thesis and preparing for the next one
Aug 16 08:04:27 <rxr> Dmitry_Platonov: I start to release images when I finished some Evas stuff to make phone calls ...
Aug 16 08:04:38 * XorA joins mickey|zzZZzz with the baseball bats
Aug 16 08:04:47 <rxr> Dmitry_Platonov: I do not want to have yet another set of images that barely work ...
Aug 16 08:04:58 <mickey|zzZZzz> XorA: :)
Aug 16 08:05:06 <rxr> kristian-m: ah
Aug 16 08:05:28 <kristian-m> rxr actually i have to work full time to get in sync with my under hours from the last months
Aug 16 08:05:41 <rxr> kristian-m: oh
Aug 16 08:05:54 <kristian-m> rxr how is it going for you?
Aug 16 08:05:57 <XorA> amusingly as a rebuttal, we recomend to all our buildroot suffering customers they look at OE, and surprise suprise, they can now get stuff built that actually works
Aug 16 08:06:03 <rxr> kristian-m: btw. if you know other "good" students in Berlin who need a job, let me know :-)
Aug 16 08:06:25 <kristian-m> rxr okay :-)
Aug 16 08:06:46 <rxr> kristian-m: or point them to: http://www.exactcode.de/global/career/
Aug 16 08:06:58 <rxr> mickeyl: I accidently tried to join 
Aug 16 08:07:16 <kristian-m> rxr okay, so its working our good - nice to hear ;-)
Aug 16 08:07:24 <roh> rxr bitte spaar dir deine muehen.
Aug 16 08:07:34 <rxr> mickeyl: #openmoko-devel when I noticed it accidently to avoid the noise of all the people talking about their first neo experience and focus a little more on what is going on in the real -development world
Aug 16 08:07:40 <rxr> mickeyl: and noticed the channel is unfree
Aug 16 08:07:46 <rxr> mickeyl: I find this a little offending ...
Aug 16 08:07:59 <rxr> .o(for a advertisingly open project anyway)
Aug 16 08:08:10 <rxr> mickeyl: I can understand a -core channel for intern FIC talking
Aug 16 08:08:16 <rxr> but an unopen -devel is a little rude
Aug 16 08:08:53 <mickeyl> there has been little use for a devel channel since there were no devices in the hands of developers. now that this has changed, we have to do something about the -devel channel, yes.
Aug 16 08:09:24 <alphaone> rxr: then open your own openmoko-dev channel and eventually people will join
Aug 16 08:09:30 <rxr> so - O2 was so kind to send me an old SIM card
Aug 16 08:09:34 * rxr hoping that one works :-)
Aug 16 08:09:52 <rxr> alphaone: I have my own open #t2 channel and co already - thanks :-)
Aug 16 08:11:41 <Dmitry_Platonov> rxr, FYI: OE supports uclibc/klibc/glibc
Aug 16 08:12:37 <rxr> Dmitry_Platonov: should I update that somewhere ?
Aug 16 08:14:38 <Dmitry_Platonov> rxr, as you wish
Aug 16 08:15:09 <rxr> Dmitry_Platonov: that was more the question where?!
Aug 16 08:15:17 <rxr> Dmitry_Platonov: did we wrote something somwehre that needs updating?
Aug 16 08:15:25 <rxr> (that is which URL :-?)
Aug 16 08:18:04 <CM> rxr: You have a much nicer homepage, that's for sure :)
Aug 16 08:19:34 * mickeyl shrugs and goes back to updating python packages in OE
Aug 16 08:20:03 <rxr> mickeyl: can OE cross compile all packages recipes? or can some only be native build ?
Aug 16 08:20:21 <mickeyl> OE cross-compiles all its packages.
Aug 16 08:20:40 <mickeyl> the only exception being locale data for which we use qemu on-the-fly
Aug 16 08:21:03 <rxr> mickeyl: real cross building or qemu or hardware based emulation of binaries run in betwen (aka scratchbox)?
Aug 16 08:21:17 <Dmitry_Platonov> rxr, not libc related: from FAQ: Q: Outstanding work! How much $$$ does it cost? A: Nothing, T2 is released under the terms of the GNU General Public License (GPL). GPL != no money.
Aug 16 08:21:25 <XorA> rxr: real, no scratchboxing
Aug 16 08:21:29 <mickeyl> rxr: real cross building.
Aug 16 08:21:37 <rxr> mickeyl: ok so qemu only for the locale data ?
Aug 16 08:21:41 <mickeyl> we don't like scratchbox :D
Aug 16 08:21:43 <mickeyl> ya
Aug 16 08:22:24 <rxr> yeah, T2 doesn't to such stuff likewise
Aug 16 08:22:25 <_diego_> CM: which version of bitbake are you using?
Aug 16 08:22:34 <rxr> mickeyl: just wanted to update the broad picture
Aug 16 08:22:53 <rxr> obviously I only try OE once a year to get the progress impression and not read every codeline ...
Aug 16 08:23:08 <CM> _diego_: Head, rev900, as checked out by the svn HEAD version of the MokoMakefile
Aug 16 08:23:13 <mickeyl> good. while you're at it, you may want to remove "OE is a young project" as well
Aug 16 08:23:30 <mickeyl> 4 years no longer count as that young IMO
Aug 16 08:23:32 <rxr> Dmitry_Platonov: well - of course you can sell GPLed stuff, but the point is that the build system is free, unlike Timesys, Monta Vista etc. ...
Aug 16 08:24:00 * mickeyl waves to zecke
Aug 16 08:24:04 <rxr> mickeyl: can you submit patches against the html content :-?
Aug 16 08:24:28 <mickeyl> rxr: when i have a chance, yes.
Aug 16 08:24:39 <Dmitry_Platonov> rxr, where is site bugtracker?
Aug 16 08:24:39 <roh> can you guys please pack away your dicks again now? i'm trying to eat breakfast and the strawberrys are marvellous
Aug 16 08:24:50 <rxr> the point is that the T2 source-base is longer existing
Aug 16 08:25:00 <_diego_> uhm, i was following the istruction from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_OpenMoko_from_scratch
Aug 16 08:25:05 <mickeyl> ~bon appetit
Aug 16 08:25:06 <apt> i heard bon appetit is smacznego.  Guten Appetit.  Eet Smakelijk.  God Appetitt.  Buon Appetito.  Buen apetito  Bom Apetite. buen apetito  Smaklig måltid!.  Hyvää ruokahalua.  Bo Proveito
Aug 16 08:25:29 <mickeyl> moin woglinde 
Aug 16 08:25:30 <_diego_> there is another way to build openmoko?
Aug 16 08:25:43 <CM> _diego_: I followed http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile
Aug 16 08:25:44 <woglinde> hi mickeyl
Aug 16 08:25:45 * zecke is not amused about rxr...
Aug 16 08:26:01 <CM> _diego_: Has worked fine for me :)
Aug 16 08:26:29 <mickeyl> _diego_: use the MokoMakefile or org.openembedded.dev directly
Aug 16 08:26:30 <CM> _diego_: Do you want to build 2007.1? 2007.2 is still not official
Aug 16 08:26:47 <zecke> rxr: you should compete on technical skills and not spread FUD
Aug 16 08:27:09 <rxr> of course that is what we do
Aug 16 08:27:12 <_diego_> my idea it was to install python on neo to prototype some idea
Aug 16 08:27:24 <zecke> rxr: spreading FUD, I know
Aug 16 08:27:33 <rxr> lol, no
Aug 16 08:27:47 <CM> mickeyl: glibc failed when I tried to build a while ago, but I cleaned it out and restarted just to try. I'm suspecting oebug #2772
Aug 16 08:29:18 <mickeyl> !oebug 2772
Aug 16 08:29:19 <cdbot2> * * Bug 2772, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-08-15 16:49
Aug 16 08:29:20 <cdbot2> * * <polyonymous>: recent change in fbreader breaks glibc build
Aug 16 08:29:21 <cdbot2> * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2772
Aug 16 08:29:57 <XorA> CM: you managed to build fbreader before glibc?
Aug 16 08:30:38 <CM> XorA: Can I check that? Just started the mokomakefile and looked again after an hour and then it had stopped
Aug 16 08:31:05 <XorA> CM: bug 2772 seems to break causallity
Aug 16 08:31:44 <XorA> as you need to have built glibc before fbreader is even looks at
Aug 16 08:32:40 <CM> It looks like some other error.. With locales: http://pastebin.ca/659436
Aug 16 08:32:58 <CM> Why does it want to build es_NI?
Aug 16 08:33:27 <XorA> ~lart pastebin.ca
Aug 16 08:33:27 * apt puts pastebin.ca into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of pastebin.ca's hair of
Aug 16 08:33:55 <XorA> CM: amd64?
Aug 16 08:34:03 <CM> Yes
Aug 16 08:34:10 <XorA> CM: know problem with qemu
Aug 16 08:34:47 <CM> I have qemu installed, and it worked just fine a few days ago
Aug 16 08:34:58 <XorA> CM: build qemu-native 0.9.0+cvs20070701
Aug 16 08:35:04 <XorA> PREFERRED_VERSION_qemu-native = "0.9.0+cvs20070701"
Aug 16 08:35:04 <XorA> SRCDATE_qemu-native = 20070701
Aug 16 08:35:07 <XorA> in local.conf
Aug 16 08:35:31 <CM> ok, I'll try
Aug 16 08:35:54 <zecke> rxr: mind correcting your webpages? my shark OE build is using uclibc... and OE can perfectly build and use uclibc,glibc and eglibc... please stop FUDing
Aug 16 08:36:12 <rxr> zecke: when you tell me the URL ...
Aug 16 08:36:33 <zecke> rxr: http://www.t2-project.org/targets/neo1973/ at least
Aug 16 08:36:36 * jeddy3 thinks it's totally impossible to get 2.5mm, 4-way connectors
Aug 16 08:36:37 <rxr> heh
Aug 16 08:36:46 <zecke> rxr: and it is KHTML and kHTML
Aug 16 08:36:56 <rxr> zecke: this page reflects the OpenMoko
Aug 16 08:37:05 <rxr> zecke: and all OpenMoko images I saw so far used glibc
Aug 16 08:37:13 <XorA> jeddy3: farnell in UK
Aug 16 08:37:21 <rxr> zecke: or do you want to tell that there are other OpenMoko flavours ?
Aug 16 08:37:51 <jeddy3> XorA, not to private customers right?
Aug 16 08:37:53 <Dmitry_Platonov> neither the OpenEmbedded base (glibc based, btw :-)
Aug 16 08:38:06 <XorA> jeddy3: yes, www.cpc.co.uk is the normal persons version of farnell
Aug 16 08:38:17 <jeddy3> XorA, ah sweet
Aug 16 08:39:30 <cjb_ie> XorA: not exactly
Aug 16 08:39:50 <zecke> rxr: we all liked the values of exactcode and it is so sad you disqualified yourself. but enough talking love and peace for you
Aug 16 08:40:04 <cjb_ie> farnell sell to private people too, just with a minimum order. they tend to be a little more expensive, but far less likely to dick you around with things being out of stock that weren't when you ordered.
Aug 16 08:40:27 <rxr> zecke: can you stop your FUD ?
Aug 16 08:40:36 <XorA> cjb_ie: farnell and cpc same company, just different web interfaces, cpc was easier to sign up to :-)
Aug 16 08:41:15 <_diego_> i think zecke is right. OE is not glibc based, u can use ulibc as well
Aug 16 08:41:16 <Dmitry_Platonov> rxr, it's #openmoko anyway
Aug 16 08:41:35 <cjb_ie> XorA: same parent company, maybe even same warehouses - but farnell definitely seems to get first call on any given item
Aug 16 08:41:38 <kristian-m> jeddy3 reichelt.de das them too KS K4-25 - in case you are in de
Aug 16 08:41:41 <rabble> does the openmoko os use a package manager? it seems to be there are just sort of binaries passed around
Aug 16 08:41:46 <mickeyl> yes, I'd appreciate if we try to prevent turning it into #t2-versus-oe
Aug 16 08:42:21 <rxr> _diego_: the page zecke referred to is about OpenMoko, and so far I only saw glibc in use ...
Aug 16 08:42:29 <jeddy3> kristian-m, I'm in Sweden, but since they seem to be totally impossible to get here, I may have to order from abroad anyway
Aug 16 08:42:44 <rxr> _diego_: zecke: it is nowhere written or implied that OE would be limitted to that
Aug 16 08:43:17 <Dmitry_Platonov> rxr, can I quote more clearly: "neither the OpenEmbedded base (glibc based, btw :-)"
Aug 16 08:43:18 <kristian-m> jeddy3 well, it's 1,20 Euro at reichelt.de
Aug 16 08:43:20 <rxr> zecke: maybe if you would have found "time" to talk to use e.g. when where where on the Computex the feeling would probably be better
Aug 16 08:43:45 <zecke> rxr: right... and BTW: it is QtopiaCore and not QtCore
Aug 16 08:43:54 <jeddy3> kristian-m, nod...know anything about shipping?
Aug 16 08:44:50 <kristian-m> jeddy3 i don't know if they ship outside of germany but would guess that europe should be okay
Aug 16 08:44:56 <rxr> Dmitry_Platonov: and? the OpenMoko systems is OE and glibc based ...
Aug 16 08:45:22 <rxr> zecke: what are you talking about, now ?
Aug 16 08:45:28 <rxr> a package name I'm not repsonsible for ?
Aug 16 08:45:36 <jeddy3> kristian-m, XorA, now only to find a 90-deg one, but that might be pushing it :)
Aug 16 08:45:47 <Dmitry_Platonov> for me, "glibc based" is attributed to "OE base" in that sentence
Aug 16 08:46:24 <XorA> jeddy3: stamp on it a few times :-)
Aug 16 08:46:37 <jeddy3> XorA, xD
Aug 16 08:46:39 <zecke> rxr: if you don't claim common ownership poke Michael Tross. Naming it QtopiaCore QtCore is bad, as there is a library called libQtCore ;)
Aug 16 08:46:43 <XorA> jeddy3: but yeah I hate that in UK they are a pain to get, I wanted to make adapters for my Neo as well
Aug 16 08:47:07 <jeddy3> XorA, UK is still better than Sweden :)
Aug 16 08:47:11 <rxr> zecke: I can pass this hint along, sure
Aug 16 08:47:28 <rxr> Dmitry_Platonov: maybe it is more clear, now
Aug 16 08:47:37 <CM> XorA: qemu built fine
Aug 16 08:48:02 <XorA> I bet you can get them well easy in Holland, my friend used to get me stuff that was impossible in UK when he went home
Aug 16 08:48:26 <XorA> CM: try the image again now, that qemu shouldnt segfault in locale generation
Aug 16 08:48:41 <XorA> CM: unfortuneately that on is broken on x86
Aug 16 08:48:59 <rxr> zecke: so with FUD you mean the target/neo1973 page ?
Aug 16 08:49:18 <rxr> zecke: can you point out where the FUD should be ?
Aug 16 08:50:03 <Dmitry_Platonov> rxr, is your statement about attracting many people is backed by something?
Aug 16 08:50:06 <jeddy3> alternatively if someone has knowledge of a reasonable "proprietary" adapter for motorola smartphones or similar 
Aug 16 08:50:31 <jeddy3> with 3.5mm connection
Aug 16 08:50:52 <rxr> Dmitry_Platonov: by our meassures .-)
Aug 16 08:51:01 <XorA> jeddy3: I have a A1200 adapter
Aug 16 08:51:25 <jeddy3> XorA, oh, what kind?
Aug 16 08:51:26 <rxr> Dmitry_Platonov: I can rephrase that it's unfortunate to "reinvent yet another custom Gtk+ widget familly", that probbaly does cut it better 
Aug 16 08:52:18 <jeddy3> XorA, dream scenario would be one with both 3.5mm audioconnection AND headset capabilities (build in mic, or mic connector, or something...)
Aug 16 08:52:42 <XorA> jeddy3: 2.5mm to 3.5mm stereo, but its the wrong wiring for Neo, I think the wiki is wrong
Aug 16 08:53:00 <jeddy3> XorA, it doesn't work?
Aug 16 08:53:06 <XorA> jeddy3: no, wiring is wrong
Aug 16 08:53:13 <jeddy3> XorA, :(
Aug 16 08:53:16 <mickeyl> rxr: you're out of date. hardly any custom Gtk+ widgets left. besides, our idea of introducing EFL into the platform is like... 1 year old.
Aug 16 08:53:29 <mickeyl> rxr: you might check my track record. i have been an EFL supporter since years. I even contributed to it.
Aug 16 08:53:33 <mickeyl> *shrug*
Aug 16 08:53:55 <mickeyl> + my preference of C++ lead to me contacting you
Aug 16 08:53:57 <rxr> is it my problem that your dream and current state differ so much ?
Aug 16 08:54:09 <mickeyl> guy, why are you so angry?
Aug 16 08:54:18 <mickeyl> or is that your usual behaviour?
Aug 16 08:54:29 <mickeyl> if so, then i'm glad we didn't have a chance to meet yet.
Aug 16 08:54:59 <rxr> mickeyl: because you constantly insult me and just start bashing when I once mention something that you doesn't like
Aug 16 08:55:09 <mickeyl> huh?
Aug 16 08:55:11 <mickeyl> hehe
Aug 16 08:55:13 <mickeyl> reality check
Aug 16 08:55:13 <CM> XorA: I'll try a rebuild, now off to a meeting. Thanks
Aug 16 08:55:15 <mickeyl> who's insulting whom?
Aug 16 08:55:20 <rxr> while helping new users to get their neo flash, alsa mixer loaded or gsmpd started while you sleep goes unnoticed ?
Aug 16 08:55:25 * rwhitby chuckles at the writing style of the http://www.t2-project.org/targets/neo1973/ page - definitely written in a way to intentionally incite argument :-)
Aug 16 08:55:30 <woglinde> rxr you are the one who is bashing
Aug 16 08:55:40 * mickeyl hugs /ignore
Aug 16 08:56:28 <rxr> mickeyl: that way you defeintly make openmoko more open and a better place
Aug 16 08:57:51 <Dmitry_Platonov> rxr, return whey you'll have something working. We'll compare.
Aug 16 08:57:57 * rwhitby wonders why a page describing a distribution *ever* needs to compare itself against some other distribution - it should be enough to simply state the technical facts and let the reader decide upon it's relative merits.
Aug 16 08:58:02 * XorA rolls around the floor laughing
Aug 16 09:00:32 <rxr> mickeyl: if you do not want alternative software you could have closed the phone
Aug 16 09:01:32 <rxr> and as the OpenMoko AFAICS can not be used to make phone calls be end users, and even drains the battery in one day even if the phone is suppost to be switched off, it's obvious that  people wonder why and seek alternatives
Aug 16 09:01:52 <woglinde> rxr????
Aug 16 09:02:01 <XorA> rxr: so you fixed those problems?
Aug 16 09:02:43 <Dmitry_Platonov> rxr, I'm not affilated with FIC/Openmoko inc. But I want to tell you: you are overdoing it.
Aug 16 09:02:47 <woglinde> rxr make you own phone and show us that you are the king
Aug 16 09:03:02 <rwhitby> guys, it's clearly trolling behaviour - don't feed it.
Aug 16 09:03:15 <rxr> pff
Aug 16 09:03:23 <rxr> everyone pointing out shortcommings is a troll or what?
Aug 16 09:03:24 <woglinde> rwhitby yes and he is shame for the t2 community
Aug 16 09:03:46 * Dmitry_Platonov ignores rxr
Aug 16 09:04:09 <rwhitby> rxr: the mature way to promote an alternative is to simply write the technical facts and let the humble reader decide on the relative merits.  There is never any need to make disparaging comparisons.
Aug 16 09:04:44 <rwhitby> to do otherwise in the channel for the distribution you are commenting on, is simply trolling.
Aug 16 09:05:54 <rxr> rwhitby: I also helped lots of new users here
Aug 16 09:06:08 <rwhitby> great.  why spoil your reputation then?
Aug 16 09:06:13 <woglinde> rxr when?
Aug 16 09:06:14 <rxr> that mickeyl just wakes up when I mention T2 once a day, ...
Aug 16 09:06:20 <woglinde> rxr I saw you the first time here
Aug 16 09:06:25 <rxr> woglinde: all the last 5 days++  ?
Aug 16 09:06:32 <woglinde> wow 5 days
Aug 16 09:06:39 <woglinde> thats really a lot
Aug 16 09:06:40 <rxr> woglinde: yeah - whow Neo shipped late
Aug 16 09:06:53 <rxr> whatever
Aug 16 09:06:57 * rwhitby notices more trolling remarks
Aug 16 09:07:04 <rxr> and also this is the only Neo channel as far as I can see
Aug 16 09:07:11 <woglinde> rxr when will you ship youzr killer phone
Aug 16 09:07:14 <woglinde> rxr no
Aug 16 09:07:20 <woglinde> there is a german neo channel too
Aug 16 09:07:25 <rxr> na toll
Aug 16 09:07:37 <woglinde> rxr if theo de raadt is your idol please go
Aug 16 09:07:39 <rxr> apparently free speech is not wanted here
Aug 16 09:07:46 <woglinde> ????
Aug 16 09:07:56 <woglinde> whats your problem?
Aug 16 09:08:03 <rwhitby> ah, free speech, the first argument of the troll.
Aug 16 09:08:07 <rxr> why do I waste my time with this ... damn
Aug 16 09:08:13 <rxr> ok - I will not feed this trolling here
Aug 16 09:08:15 <woglinde> lol
Aug 16 09:08:19 <rxr> I have to do more important stuff
Aug 16 09:08:31 <Hopscotch> rofl
Aug 16 09:08:38 <rwhitby> thanks for your contribution ...
Aug 16 09:08:58 <Hopscotch> rwhitby: mine?
Aug 16 09:09:01 <rxr> rwhitby: maybe the other way round, have you ever written a line of code ?
Aug 16 09:09:02 <woglinde> rxr yeah thanks for helping
Aug 16 09:09:08 <woglinde> lol
Aug 16 09:11:54 <drath> heh, gotta love linux: - not sysvinit, bootup in less than 2 minutes, starting the UI early on
Aug 16 09:14:18 <rwhitby> rxr: when you've put up an objective list of technical facts about the alternate distribution, which does not include unnecessary comparisons with other distributions, then perhaps people might take it seriously.
Aug 16 09:15:08 <rwhitby> when you add in disparaging comments to what should be a purely technical distribution page, people start to wonder why you need to put something else down to raise your own distro up.
Aug 16 09:16:02 * rwhitby also chuckles at the "have you ever written a line of code" comment :-)
Aug 16 09:22:28 <rwhitby> Now, who else is ready to alpha test http://svn.nslu2-linux.org/svnroot/mokomakefile/branches/OM-2007.2/Makefile ?
Aug 16 09:24:42 <rwhitby> mickeyl: we've had a couple of success stories on the alpha MokoMakefile, so we're ready for you to give the "Go" signal at any time ;-)
Aug 16 09:25:28 <jgm> rwhitby: I'll give it a shot now (so will report back in a day or two ;))
Aug 16 09:25:42 <ml8128> rwhitby: started building, i'll tell you how it goes
Aug 16 09:25:49 <rwhitby> thx
Aug 16 09:26:36 <rwhitby> I don't know of any outstandings bugs with it, so it should go fine (modulo actual OE build problems if there are any)
Aug 16 09:26:46 <C7_> rwhitby: started a testbuild some hours ago .. letme have a look how it went
Aug 16 09:26:53 <rwhitby> make update-makefile should be safe to use with it now too.
Aug 16 09:27:02 <jeddy3> rwhitby, sure :), starting build know...
Aug 16 09:27:19 <C7_> rwhitby: NOTE: package linux-gta01-2.6.21.5: failed
Aug 16 09:27:57 <rwhitby> C7: if it got that far it's a build problem rather than an alpha MokoMakefile problem.  But pastebin the log anyway.
Aug 16 09:29:41 <gordonsyme_> rwhitby: I'm willing, let you know how it goes when it finishes
Aug 16 09:30:36 <rwhitby> thx
Aug 16 09:30:38 <C7_> rwhitby: didnt say it was the makefiles fault ;) 
Aug 16 09:31:41 <rwhitby> C7_: yes, but you addressed me with the comment, instead of mickeyl :-)
Aug 16 09:33:23 <fgau> rwhitby: OM-2007.1 started, we'll see
Aug 16 09:34:14 <mickeyl> rwhitby: great! thanks. will keep you posted. should be really soon now.
Aug 16 09:35:59 <ScaredyCat> rwhitby: I'm happy to help test, but have you dealt with the rm_work issue ?
Aug 16 09:36:43 <XorA> mickeyl: a lot of the gsmd patches are failing in oe.dev
Aug 16 09:37:09 <mickeyl> XorA: yep. LaF0rge updated the gsmd this nite and applied a lot of patches.
Aug 16 09:37:23 <mickeyl> XorA: I'll take a look later. For now, SRCDATE from yesterday should do it
Aug 16 09:37:42 <XorA> mickeyl: ok, dont suppose he listed the patches in changelog, I could just do it
Aug 16 09:38:02 <mickeyl> XorA: that'd be cool. he did list it IIRC, most came from andrew
Aug 16 09:41:35 <C7_> rwhitby: ;) i did a "make update-makefile && make update setup openmoko-devel-image"...  will keep you updated how it went
Aug 16 09:41:55 <jgm> mickeyl: I have a question for you.  I'm building out an app to handle low cost calling (rerouting call through user prefs to VOiP gateways, low-cost numbers etc) and rather than attempt to plug this in to the base openmoko code I've written a separate extension handler.  The idea is that the openmoko code makes a D-Bus call and that kicks off the extensions, which can alter the parameters passed to them
Aug 16 09:42:18 <jgm> (e.g. the extension gets passed "outgoing call to +1-555-123-4567" and it can change the number as required)
Aug 16 09:43:01 <jgm> Question is: how do you want to go about integrating this type of functionality?  Should it be a hook in the dialer or perhaps lower down, in gsmd?  As far as I am concerned the lower the better but I can see people getting twitchy over hooks in gsmd
Aug 16 09:43:02 <mickeyl> jgm: sounds pretty cool. together with Writchie|zzzZZZz's attempt to include dbus support for gsmd this should be a nice addition
Aug 16 09:43:52 <mickeyl> jgm: I'd be leaning towards doing this in the dbus-addition to gsmd
Aug 16 09:44:00 <jgm> Okay will check in with Writchie|zzzZZZz (when he wakes up)
Aug 16 09:44:05 <mickeyl> jgm: cool
Aug 16 09:44:09 <mjr> architecturally, I'd prefer that gsmd stay gsmd, and hooks like that can go in the dialer, but I recognize the power of those that are actually doing it ;]
Aug 16 09:44:44 <jgm> mjr: yeah it's a tricky one.  The good thing about the hook going in to gsmd is that if someone writes a different dialer program then the hooks will still work
Aug 16 09:44:56 <mjr> that's true
Aug 16 09:45:13 <jgm> The downside is that the dialer no longer knows quite what is going on with the call it is making
Aug 16 09:45:26 <ixs> mjr: gsmd is probably better then dialer. If an app other then the dialer instigates the dialing process you still want the extension to work.
Aug 16 09:46:09 * mjr mumbles something about adding d-bus interface to the dialer
Aug 16 09:46:24 <mickeyl> mjr: the dialer in 2007.2 already sports a dbus interface
Aug 16 09:46:38 <mjr> Right, hadn't checked. 
Aug 16 09:46:46 <guerby> just got my GTA01D from UPS :)
Aug 16 09:47:04 <ewon> nice
Aug 16 09:47:06 <guerby> what's the current recommanded kernel+rootfs?
Aug 16 09:47:35 <ixs> guerby: D model? huh?
Aug 16 09:47:44 <mickeyl> guerby: people.openmoko.org/mickey/images/, there may be some gsmd issues though which should be fixed soon
Aug 16 09:48:04 <jgm> guerby: build your own, it's the fun way of doing things :)
Aug 16 09:48:11 <guerby> ixs, that's what's on the bill, I don't know if it corresponds to something
Aug 16 09:49:07 <guerby> mickeyl, thanks for the link
Aug 16 09:49:09 <ixs> mickeyl: mhm, for what's it worth, these images are somewhat unstable. Clicking on the top bar, selecting GSM power up crashes the bar, shutdown ends in many dbus error messages and hangs, needs the battery removed and dialing is no go... :D
Aug 16 09:49:24 <mickeyl> of course they're unstable
Aug 16 09:49:33 <mickeyl> we're not there yet, you know :)
Aug 16 09:49:33 <guerby> jgm, I'm a total noob but I'll try to learn :)
Aug 16 09:49:35 <ixs> mickeyl: I meant, _really_ unstable. :-)
Aug 16 09:49:39 <mickeyl> hmm
Aug 16 09:49:51 <mickeyl> sounds like you didn't erase your flash
Aug 16 09:49:59 <mickeyl> see uboot bug
Aug 16 09:50:03 <mickeyl> let me grab the number
Aug 16 09:50:06 <ixs> mhm. will try again then.
Aug 16 09:50:26 <ixs> somethin else: do you know which monotone release of OE you built against?
Aug 16 09:51:33 <rwhitby> C7_: linux-gta01-2.6.21.5-r3 built for me in the last four hours.
Aug 16 10:00:25 <Dmitry_Platonov> mickeyl, do you want build/packaging 2007.2 bugs in OM bugzilla?
Aug 16 10:00:52 <kristian-m> is anyone having experiences with german import taxes - is there any way around this? - though i guess it's to late now
Aug 16 10:07:05 <jeddy3> rwhitby, same procedure as old Makefile? (make update, setup, openmoko-devel-image)
Aug 16 10:07:57 <rwhitby> yeah, that should work.
Aug 16 10:08:16 <rwhitby> update should call check-generation, which makes the structure changes
Aug 16 10:13:34 * cesarb http://xkcd.com/281/
Aug 16 10:13:45 <cesarb> (i.e. I now have a tracking number!)
Aug 16 10:14:31 * Hopscotch also does an alpha-build now
Aug 16 10:16:05 <woglinde> hi thomasg
Aug 16 10:17:10 * ScaredyCat arrangs an intercept of cesarb's neo
Aug 16 10:17:14 <ScaredyCat> arranges
Aug 16 10:17:58 <woglinde> so lunch now
Aug 16 10:19:46 <guerby> kristian-m, receiving in France I paid 93.55 euros to UPS
Aug 16 10:19:58 <ynezz> omg
Aug 16 10:20:11 <mickeyl> !ombug 419
Aug 16 10:20:12 <cdbot2> * * Bug 419, Status: RESOLVED (FIXED), Created: Unknown
Aug 16 10:20:13 <cdbot2> * * mickey(AT)vanille-media.de: dfu download doesn't clean jffs2 partition
Aug 16 10:20:14 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=419
Aug 16 10:20:22 <mickeyl> this one can lead to all kinds of artefacts
Aug 16 10:21:00 <mickeyl> Dmitry_Platonov: please rather in bugs.openembedded.org. OM bugzilla should be reserved to program logic etc.
Aug 16 10:21:48 <Dmitry_Platonov> mickeyl, ok
Aug 16 10:23:21 <_diego_> kristiam-m receiving in Italy i paid 62.5 euros (48 for tax)
Aug 16 10:26:45 <guerby> ynezz, on the other side I haven't seen the debit for openmoko yet on my bank account whereas I got "payment received" email on 20070813, is that normal?
Aug 16 10:27:20 <guerby> kristian-m, (this was for the advanced kit)
Aug 16 10:27:26 <XorA> guerby: its normal for CC payments
Aug 16 10:27:51 <guerby> XorA, ok thanks, do you know how many business day it usually take?
Aug 16 10:28:43 <XorA> guerby: for my CC normally about 5 days for internet transactions to show
Aug 16 10:29:53 <guerby> XorA, ok thanks for the info 
Aug 16 10:30:07 <ScaredyCat> rwhitby: can you make the download location definable... ie so that a local server could be tried too (ie if someone rsync's downloads.openmoko.org) but than failover if the file isn;t located on the alt server?
Aug 16 10:31:03 <rwhitby> ScaredyCat: you can do that in local.conf
Aug 16 10:31:21 <rwhitby> I forget how, but it should say how in the openembedded manual
Aug 16 10:33:37 * ScaredyCat goes to read some...
Aug 16 10:34:49 <jeddy3> any headsup on progress with working gps driver? 
Aug 16 10:38:47 <torpor> hi all..
Aug 16 10:39:05 <torpor> no luck for me with the 2007.2 Makefile, folks .. some sort of catastrophic build error occurred. 
Aug 16 10:39:16 <torpor> i will have to wait until i'm back on some good bandwidth to have a new fresh start .. 
Aug 16 10:39:32 <rwhitby> torpor: details on the error?
Aug 16 10:41:03 <rwhitby> torpor: saw your question earlier about fetching everything - what would you expect a target which does that to be called?
Aug 16 10:41:25 <ScaredyCat> make get-everything-in-advance
Aug 16 10:42:00 <ScaredyCat> or make prefetch
Aug 16 10:42:05 <SpeedEvil> make get-bittorrent?
Aug 16 10:42:26 <ScaredyCat> make use-al-my-diskspace
Aug 16 10:42:31 <ScaredyCat> gah
Aug 16 10:42:36 <ScaredyCat> make use-all-my-diskspace
Aug 16 10:42:47 <torpor> actually i looked at the Makefile and didn't see any targets that might do the job .. but if there is one already, i'd be happy to use it.
Aug 16 10:42:54 <torpor> the problem is i have good bandwidth at home, but i'm not at home right now. :(
Aug 16 10:43:06 <torpor> rwhitby: booting up my linux system now to get the error log ..
Aug 16 10:44:30 <rwhitby> torpor: there is not one there already, but I can fairly easily add one - I just need the right name for it :-)
Aug 16 10:45:03 * ScaredyCat thinks prefetch says it al :)
Aug 16 10:45:04 <torpor> oh, i would say "make preload-sources" or something would be sensible.
Aug 16 10:45:06 <ScaredyCat> +l
Aug 16 10:45:11 <torpor> yeah or prefetch-sources
Aug 16 10:45:18 <torpor> or prepare-for-offline
Aug 16 10:45:24 <ynezz> what about patches?
Aug 16 10:45:43 <ScaredyCat> patches, we don;t need no stinkin patches...
Aug 16 10:45:55 <ynezz> i think it's possible to specify patches in .bb files, right?
Aug 16 10:45:57 <ScaredyCat> just build with what's local at the time
Aug 16 10:46:17 <ynezz> so one would've to parse all bb files and fetch them also
Aug 16 10:46:36 <ynezz> but i'm not oe expert, using it for 2 days :p
Aug 16 10:46:47 <ScaredyCat> yeah, but , no ,but..yeah..but...
Aug 16 10:47:34 <rwhitby> there is a -c fetch command in bitbake/OE - it will just call that.  if that doesn't get everything, then mokomakefile will not be able to do anything more.
Aug 16 10:49:47 <torpor> anyone know off the top of their head which GPS chip is being used in moko?
Aug 16 10:50:06 <rwhitby> wiki/GPS - Hammerhead
Aug 16 10:50:40 <SpeedEvil> moko!=neo1973
Aug 16 10:50:44 <SpeedEvil> moko is the OS
Aug 16 10:51:01 <torpor> ok
Aug 16 10:51:15 <torpor> but for the recod, this confusion will continue .. people can't remember neo1973 as well as they can moko.
Aug 16 10:51:29 <SpeedEvil> True.
Aug 16 10:51:43 <SpeedEvil> The hope is that eventually - openmoko is the important name.
Aug 16 10:51:52 <SpeedEvil> The neo1973 is just the first phone.
Aug 16 10:52:10 <cjb_ie> i was just gonna ask, will gta02 also be called neo1973 ?
Aug 16 10:52:10 <SpeedEvil> Ideally, in a couple of years time, nokia launch an openmoko range.
Aug 16 10:52:28 <SpeedEvil> I haven't heard any discussion that it's not.
Aug 16 10:53:00 <SpeedEvil> In principle, you might see openmoko cameras, and navigation systems, and ...
Aug 16 10:53:29 <ScaredyCat> rwhitby: new makefile seems to be honouring -j happily 
Aug 16 10:53:39 <SpeedEvil> Consider being able to sync between your in car navigation system, and your phone.
Aug 16 10:53:42 <ScaredyCat> and rm_work
Aug 16 10:54:01 <SpeedEvil> Get into your car, phone in pocket looks up your diary, and sets your nav system appropriately.
Aug 16 10:54:55 <ewon> heh
Aug 16 10:55:10 <ewon> get int car, hone in pocket, engine ECU crashes, car goes up in flames
Aug 16 10:55:22 <ScaredyCat> mmm...
Aug 16 10:55:28 <ScaredyCat> that's not a very helpful error
Aug 16 10:55:35 <cjb_ie> ewon: we're trying to keep MS _out_ of the equation
Aug 16 10:55:44 <SpeedEvil> ewon: Well...
Aug 16 10:55:51 <torpor> SpeedEvil: i worked for a synthesizer company for 5 years, tailoring openembedded for a new musical instrument platform.  so i'm with you on that!  ;) 
Aug 16 10:55:53 <ScaredyCat> ERROR: '/home/moko/OM2007.2/openembedded/packages/libxml/libxml2-native_2.6.29.bb' failed
Aug 16 10:56:03 <torpor> [the project was cancelled in favour of a closed-source, proprietary solution, however.  politics]
Aug 16 10:56:06 <SpeedEvil> ewon: I _am_ planning to put megatunix on my phone, to tune my open-source ECU.
Aug 16 10:56:30 <cjb_ie> SpeedEvil: you have an open-source ECU?!?
Aug 16 10:56:37 <woglinde> tropor oh mickeyl loves music and synthesizer you should mentioned that to him
Aug 16 10:56:39 <SpeedEvil> If bluetooth-serial was cheap, I would in fact be using it as an auth system.
Aug 16 10:56:47 <SpeedEvil> Turn off the injectors as I leave the car.
Aug 16 10:56:49 <SpeedEvil> yes.
Aug 16 10:57:03 <SpeedEvil> cjb_ie: http://megasquirt.info/
Aug 16 10:57:17 <cjb_ie> ...and if your phone dies or crashes as you're driving?
Aug 16 10:57:33 <SpeedEvil> Basically I just mean to turn the ECU on or off.
Aug 16 10:57:59 <SpeedEvil> in normal use, it's not doing any realtime stuff at all - the app is just a 'tuning' app.
Aug 16 10:58:22 <cjb_ie> right, but if you're using proximity of phone for auth... and suddenly the phone 'vanishes' - what then?
Aug 16 10:58:24 <florian> hi jsmanrique 
Aug 16 10:58:31 <raster> tune your car to a b-flat
Aug 16 10:59:09 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Torch]] [[Talk:Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Camera]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Camera]] [[Wishlist_-_Hardware_-_Novel_Devices]] [[User:Yvanxxx]] and other changes
Aug 16 11:00:50 <torpor> woglinde: i've talked with mickeyl about it a few times over the years in fact.  but since my project got cancelled i didn't want to get too excited.
Aug 16 11:00:58 <sagacis> SpeedEvil: Do you have megasquirt?
Aug 16 11:01:10 <torpor> but i do have some interesting things to add: i ported MidiShare to ARM (for the GP2X) and will add this to openembedded too in the very near future .. 
Aug 16 11:01:11 <SpeedEvil> sagacis: not assembled or installed yet.
Aug 16 11:01:20 <sagacis> What are you putting it on?/
Aug 16 11:01:20 <ScaredyCat> libxml2-native-2.6.29 seems b0rked
Aug 16 11:01:27 <torpor> i have a sampler and a synth already ready to go for the neo1973 (which is why i'm trying to get the devkit built) 
Aug 16 11:01:38 <SpeedEvil> Renault Laguna - 1994ish - with broken ECU at the moment.
Aug 16 11:01:40 <sagacis> ScaredyCat: I was just looking at my build log!  Right when you said that....
Aug 16 11:01:48 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03njp * r2714 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c): 
Aug 16 11:01:48 <CIA-20> openmoko: 2007-08-16 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com>
Aug 16 11:01:48 <CIA-20> openmoko:  * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_network_registered), (on_pin_requested):
Aug 16 11:01:48 <CIA-20> openmoko:  Be smarter when searching for a network, don't keep pinging gsmd.
Aug 16 11:01:50 <torpor> and i've done gadget_audio and gadget_midi drivers, so that the openmoko (and other devices - like GP2X) can function as a "totally integrated" audio peripheral..
Aug 16 11:02:12 <raster> interesting
Aug 16 11:02:13 <sagacis> SpeedEvil: Cool.  I've considered it for my '81  Porsche, but it seems like a lot of dirty work... Maybe when I rebuild
Aug 16 11:02:13 * mickeyl wakes up again
Aug 16 11:02:16 <raster> but for what?
Aug 16 11:02:19 <mickeyl> did someone say Synthesizer?
Aug 16 11:02:39 <zecke> mickeyl: I have heard people love to steal synthesizer's when they are located in the basement
Aug 16 11:02:39 * ScaredyCat gets out the whip
Aug 16 11:02:48 <raster> i mean what would you want to drive the moko as if it were a midi / audio device
Aug 16 11:02:53 <raster> when it could drive itself?
Aug 16 11:02:57 <SpeedEvil> sagacis: It's not actually that bad. 
Aug 16 11:03:01 <ScaredyCat> sagacis: and you have the same error ?
Aug 16 11:03:18 <torpor> hi mickeyl: yes, that would be me.
Aug 16 11:03:27 <raster> (and u'd need to plug it into usb to make that work)
Aug 16 11:03:35 <SpeedEvil> sagacis: It gets lots easier if you can measure stuff in a working car.
Aug 16 11:03:35 <torpor> raster:  i don't get your question
Aug 16 11:03:53 <sagacis> From log.do_compile: /usr/include/python2.5/intobject.h:44: warning: ISO C90 does not support 'long long'
Aug 16 11:03:53 <sagacis> In file included from /usr/include/python2.5/Python.h:87
Aug 16 11:03:57 <raster> audo/midi usb gadget drivers on the nei1973
Aug 16 11:03:57 <sagacis> Simple syntax error?
Aug 16 11:04:03 <raster> how would they be useful?
Aug 16 11:04:04 <raster> :)
Aug 16 11:04:18 <torpor> with gadget_audio and gadget_midi, you can put softsynths/effects/samplers on the neo1973, plug it into your PC, and work with it like Total Integration in the Virus, for example (until last year, I worked for Access .. TI was one of the projects I was involved with)
Aug 16 11:04:37 <raster> but why?
Aug 16 11:04:44 <raster> they speakers on the neo aren't great
Aug 16 11:04:50 <torpor> the idea is that you have a very streamlined path for audio and midi from your external device, to your DAW/plugin environment.
Aug 16 11:04:56 <raster> all u get maybe is a microphone jack output
Aug 16 11:05:03 <mickeyl> torpor: i have been pestering our hardware guys for more high quality audio hardware. we will get it in later revision
Aug 16 11:05:19 <raster> and frankly driving it from a pc - the pc has so much more horse power it can s software-compute everything it needs anyway?
Aug 16 11:05:20 <torpor> you have to understand the way DAW's work with audio .. putting the neo1973 audio i/o on the PC Audio I/O Buss solves a lot of problems.
Aug 16 11:05:20 <mickeyl> making an OpenMoko music device is definitely on my list of things I want to do
Aug 16 11:05:40 <raster> sure
Aug 16 11:05:48 <raster> but the point of it is to then have the audio GO somewhere
Aug 16 11:05:53 <raster> otherwise it's a dead end
Aug 16 11:05:54 <torpor> mickeyl: i'd be very interested in that.  i've been working to get this built in the pro audio industry, but there is a *lot* of politics there.  so i'm going to focus on making the neo1973 a viable music machine, with similar features, in the meantime.
Aug 16 11:06:10 <torpor> raster: the audio streams directly into your DAW audio tracks for recording ..
Aug 16 11:06:13 <raster> i personally think the moko as an instrument on its own is much more interesting
Aug 16 11:06:15 <mickeyl> torpor: great! we should talk in early 2008 again
Aug 16 11:06:27 <ScaredyCat> #ifdef HAVE_LONG_LONG
Aug 16 11:06:27 <ScaredyCat> PyAPI_FUNC(unsigned PY_LONG_LONG) PyInt_AsUnsignedLongLongMask(PyObject *);
Aug 16 11:06:27 <ScaredyCat> #endif
Aug 16 11:06:28 <mickeyl> torpor: there may be some interesting things we could work on together
Aug 16 11:06:32 <raster> trop why stream it out to the neo and then back?
Aug 16 11:06:41 <torpor> mickeyl: lets talk sooner please!  i have freescale engineering working on this same problem, and i'd rather form a coalition around the problem than have it all go haywire... ;)
Aug 16 11:06:48 <raster> well midi commands out or audio out
Aug 16 11:06:49 <raster> and then back
Aug 16 11:06:50 <raster> ?
Aug 16 11:07:11 <raster> i appreciate audio - don't get me wrong
Aug 16 11:07:12 <torpor> raster: the neo can be a portable music machine.  you write with it, on the bus, using headphones.  when you get home you plug it into USB on your PC and record everything digitally directly to your DAW ...
Aug 16 11:07:19 <raster> but i'm looking for a practical/sensible use :)
Aug 16 11:07:37 <raster> oh wait
Aug 16 11:07:59 <torpor> get the picture now?
Aug 16 11:08:09 <raster> so the neo isnt controlled - but acts as an audio input (or midid sequence input) for another system?
Aug 16 11:08:19 <torpor> input *and* output.
Aug 16 11:08:32 <raster> (been years since i touched midi - last was back in my amiga500 days with trackers etc.)
Aug 16 11:08:36 <torpor> because you might want to run an effects process on the neo1973, treating it like an outboard effects processor.
Aug 16 11:08:52 <raster> surwe
Aug 16 11:08:55 <raster> effects processor
Aug 16 11:08:56 <raster> BUT
Aug 16 11:09:00 <torpor> so i set up the neo with a reverb app, then i have audio->out->DAW->neo->DAW->in->PC.
Aug 16 11:09:05 <torpor> same with synthesis.
Aug 16 11:09:07 <raster> a pc can do the same job - and mountains more?
Aug 16 11:09:10 <sagacis> ScaredyCat: I don't need Python on this build, do I?  
Aug 16 11:09:26 <raster> the neo would be cool to have as an alretnate input device
Aug 16 11:09:29 <raster> touchscreen and all
Aug 16 11:09:38 <raster> and compose while on the bus/train/plain
Aug 16 11:09:46 <raster> so a full local synth engine
Aug 16 11:09:49 <raster> and ui
Aug 16 11:09:50 <ScaredyCat> well om07.2 built fine for me with the previous makefile... 
Aug 16 11:09:52 <raster> would be indeed cool
Aug 16 11:09:58 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03njp * r2715 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c src/moko-keypad.c): 
Aug 16 11:09:58 <CIA-20> openmoko: 2007-08-16 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com>
Aug 16 11:09:58 <CIA-20> openmoko:  * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_network_registered):
Aug 16 11:09:58 <CIA-20> openmoko:  Fix a typo.
Aug 16 11:09:58 <CIA-20> openmoko:  * src/moko-keypad.c: (on_panel_user_input):
Aug 16 11:09:59 <ScaredyCat> and mv env hasn't changed...
Aug 16 11:09:59 <CIA-20> openmoko:  Make '#' the same as 'OK' when inputting a PIN (Bug #708)
Aug 16 11:10:01 <raster> the trick would be the ui
Aug 16 11:10:19 <raster> making a ui that is easy tyo use to play/compose with on a tiny screen will be a challenge
Aug 16 11:10:37 <torpor> raster: of course the PC can do more, but the point is to make the neo1973 also viable.
Aug 16 11:10:55 <torpor> raster: not for someone who's soul purpose has been to write music apps for 10 years!
Aug 16 11:11:19 <CM> ScaredyCat: Bitbake HEAD has changed.. 
Aug 16 11:11:24 <torpor> i also wanna make a gadget_mouse driver for the neo1973 .. so you could use it as a general-purpose touchpad with custom icons (like that silly russian keyboard) and have it useable as a peripheral to your PC ..
Aug 16 11:11:32 <ScaredyCat> gah!
Aug 16 11:11:41 * ScaredyCat spanks someone
Aug 16 11:11:55 <CM> ScaredyCat: Btw, my uboot is borked again :(
Aug 16 11:12:01 <ScaredyCat> wtf !
Aug 16 11:12:09 <ScaredyCat> how this time ?
Aug 16 11:12:11 <CM> Did a "poweroff"
Aug 16 11:12:17 <ScaredyCat> errm...
Aug 16 11:12:26 <torpor> okay i gotta go now - poor internet connection - but mickeyl i will contact you again about music apps ideas shortly .. 
Aug 16 11:12:37 <CM> That's all, next time it was just broken again when I tried to boot
Aug 16 11:12:43 <torpor> later folks.
Aug 16 11:12:47 <CM> later
Aug 16 11:12:52 <DPThought> torpor: are you building a media player? (sorry was afk. did not read backlog)
Aug 16 11:13:09 <ScaredyCat> did you dd the mdblock again then ?
Aug 16 11:13:23 <ScaredyCat> mtdblock
Aug 16 11:14:32 <CM> I tried, once, but it didn't help
Aug 16 11:14:49 <ScaredyCat> hhmm.. you can stull boot with factory reset though ?
Aug 16 11:14:54 <CM> That was with the latest file on your page
Aug 16 11:15:00 <CM> Yes, factory reset works
Aug 16 11:15:17 <CM> So I copied the mtdblock1_b.bin that worked last time
Aug 16 11:15:30 <ScaredyCat> no dfu ?
Aug 16 11:15:32 <CM> But didn't have time to try and dd it because I had to go to work
Aug 16 11:15:40 <CM> dfu works
Aug 16 11:15:45 <ScaredyCat> ah ok...
Aug 16 11:15:48 <CM> But no ttyACM0
Aug 16 11:15:57 <CM> So I couldn't do a nand erase
Aug 16 11:16:11 <ScaredyCat> k, which suggests that it's block1 again
Aug 16 11:16:30 <ScaredyCat> the default boot params should include it imho
Aug 16 11:16:37 <CM> Yes, I'll try with the same file that worked last time as soon as I get home
Aug 16 11:16:40 <ScaredyCat> but then you'd need to mess with u-boot
Aug 16 11:16:43 <CM> Definitely it should
Aug 16 11:16:58 <ScaredyCat> what was the bitbake fix then... added requirement ?
Aug 16 11:17:17 <CM> I nuked my whole dir and restarted from scratch
Aug 16 11:17:28 <hhf423> so, here we go. the new SIM I have here gets accepted by the Neo
Aug 16 11:17:31 <ScaredyCat> bu that's how I started out
Aug 16 11:17:43 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03njp * r2716 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c src/moko-keypad.c): (log message trimmed)
Aug 16 11:17:43 <CIA-20> openmoko: 2007-08-16 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com>
Aug 16 11:17:43 <CIA-20> openmoko:  * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_keypad_pin_entry),
Aug 16 11:17:43 <CIA-20> openmoko:  (on_network_registered):
Aug 16 11:17:43 <CIA-20> openmoko:  Remove some unused printf's, keep copy of PIN while interfacing with
Aug 16 11:17:44 <ScaredyCat> clean dir...
Aug 16 11:17:45 <CM> Only to fail on glibc.. But XorA helped me around that by building qemu to fix the locales
Aug 16 11:17:46 <CIA-20> openmoko:  libgsmd.
Aug 16 11:17:49 <CIA-20> openmoko:  * src/moko-keypad.c: (on_dial_clicked):
Aug 16 11:17:55 <CM> Weird
Aug 16 11:18:05 * CM has to eat lunch before starving to death
Aug 16 11:18:11 <ScaredyCat> it *depends* on qemu ?
Aug 16 11:18:15 <ScaredyCat> that's retarded
Aug 16 11:18:18 <hhf423> the not so funny part is that I do not get asked for a PIN. libgsmd-tool dialling works, though
Aug 16 11:19:34 <hhf423> oooh, i get asked for pin, the joy!
Aug 16 11:19:35 <sagacis> ScaredyCat: I show no diff with bitbake HEAD...
Aug 16 11:20:54 <sagacis> wait, I was comparing the wrong revisions
Aug 16 11:21:59 <hhf423> brillant, I can make a call!
Aug 16 11:22:57 <woglinde> hhf423 hehe
Aug 16 11:23:00 <woglinde> dial 112
Aug 16 11:23:10 <ScaredyCat> paging dr beat...
Aug 16 11:25:50 <hhf423> how do I crank up the vulume, I can hear nothing
Aug 16 11:26:25 <hhf423> something with slsa, no?
Aug 16 11:26:28 <hhf423> alsa
Aug 16 11:26:32 <woglinde> hhf423 alsamixer
Aug 16 11:26:38 <woglinde> m for mute/unmute
Aug 16 11:26:44 <woglinde> up down/left right
Aug 16 11:26:56 <hhf423> woglinde: where is that?
Aug 16 11:27:04 <woglinde> open console
Aug 16 11:27:10 <woglinde> type alsamixer
Aug 16 11:27:25 <woglinde> but choose the keyboard with up-down key
Aug 16 11:27:27 <woglinde> s
Aug 16 11:27:29 <hhf423> oooh
Aug 16 11:28:22 <hhf423> hmm, headphone is at 100%
Aug 16 11:28:43 <kristian-m> hhf423 try loading one of the profiles in /etc/alsa/
Aug 16 11:29:03 <kristian-m> hhf423 or try to set the right amp-setting
Aug 16 11:29:51 <hhf423> what would be a good profile?
Aug 16 11:30:46 <woglinde> hhf423 depends on your toys
Aug 16 11:30:50 <woglinde> bt-headset
Aug 16 11:30:52 <woglinde> ...
Aug 16 11:32:09 <hhf423> handset would use the phone speakers?
Aug 16 11:33:14 <hhf423> gsmhandset
Aug 16 11:33:25 <XorA> here is a nice niche for neo handsets http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/16/omego_for_kids/
Aug 16 11:33:33 <XorA> and the clever kids can just upgrade the code :-)
Aug 16 11:36:26 <PBeck> hi :D
Aug 16 11:37:29 <hhf423> aww, this totally does not work
Aug 16 11:38:33 <sagacis> hhf423: Use http://drivehq.com/file/df.aspx/publish/sagacis/PublicFolder/handset.sagacis.state
Aug 16 11:38:54 * hhf423 humms, ifitdoesnotworkreboot, the unix mantra
Aug 16 11:39:06 <PBeck> counter
Aug 16 11:39:07 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter Got it, get yours from openmoko.com (and read topic)  (1801;252)
Aug 16 11:39:10 <sagacis> hhf423: Is there a tune for that?
Aug 16 11:39:18 <hhf423> sagacis: thanks, I'll try that
Aug 16 11:39:43 <hhf423> sagacis: the tune is easy to describe, you have head it a thousand times
Aug 16 11:39:57 <hhf423> sagacis: its the tune of a person barfing
Aug 16 11:40:27 * hhf423 points out that "The Unix Haters Handbook" comes with a barf bag
Aug 16 11:40:30 * sagacis laughs
Aug 16 11:40:55 <sagacis> good night.  Gotta go to work...
Aug 16 11:41:01 <hhf423> good night
Aug 16 11:46:22 <Stephmw> woglinde: not neo-related, but there's a very interesting discussion on the maemo-developer mailing list, titled "Java acceleration/Jazelle"
Aug 16 11:47:42 <PBeck> the phone with openmoko from google would be great :)
Aug 16 11:47:52 <PBeck> s/the/a
Aug 16 11:48:02 <PBeck> good publicity
Aug 16 11:48:08 <PBeck> i hope that is true :)
Aug 16 11:48:24 <hhf423> ScaredyCat: on your 2007.1 image, what did you use to change the volume to working levels?
Aug 16 11:48:42 <hhf423> PBeck: where is that rumor coming from?
Aug 16 11:49:10 <Stephmw> woglinde: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/24295
Aug 16 11:49:36 <ScaredyCat> hhf423: cna't remember off the top of my head... iirc i fiddled :)
Aug 16 11:49:42 <PBeck> hhf423: i have it found on the counter page
Aug 16 11:49:44 <PBeck> counter
Aug 16 11:49:44 <aloril> http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter Got it, get yours from openmoko.com (and read topic)  (1802;252)
Aug 16 11:50:09 <PBeck> hhf423: on this site http://www.phoronix.com/?page=news_item&px=NTk1Mw
Aug 16 11:50:16 <hhf423> hmm
Aug 16 11:50:55 <PBeck> i have no idea if this is believable informationen ;)
Aug 16 11:51:03 <DPThought> PBeck: that could be fun
Aug 16 11:51:20 * aloril is doubtful about that rumor
Aug 16 11:52:19 <jgm> It's certainly possible, we know that there is other hardware for openmoko around (and I don't remember seeing anyone saying that FIC were building that hardware)
Aug 16 11:52:23 <PBeck> DPThought: primarly a good publicity for the whole openmoko community :)
Aug 16 11:52:51 <PBeck> jgm: i hope so too :)
Aug 16 11:53:14 <hhf423> ScaredyCat: so none of the default states did work for you?
Aug 16 11:54:09 <DPThought> PBeck: and more code. Google has resources...
Aug 16 11:54:40 <El_Salvador2> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9959043369.html
Aug 16 11:54:43 <PBeck> DPThought: yes :D Code of summer and co :)
Aug 16 11:58:58 <hhf423> re
Aug 16 11:59:25 <DPThought> Always babble about realtime when it comes to phones. When will they learn that this is not true only because it is 'embedded'. The only need for realtime i can see is for swapping parts of the gsm codec into the application software. And this will not happen soon in linux.
Aug 16 11:59:43 <DPThought> .. refering to the linuxdevices article
Aug 16 12:00:23 <XorA> DPThought: you should know devices have to be buzzword compliant
Aug 16 12:02:49 * XorA screams at insanity of alsamixer
Aug 16 12:03:19 <DPThought> XorA: sure. But you don't have to be actually compliant. 'We have realtime-ish features deisignes for the need of moble phones' would be fine. And noone has to sell his soul. :)
Aug 16 12:04:09 <XorA> DPThought: just picture a marketing dept with a load of stickers, and thats a pretty realistic representation as to how they advertise products
Aug 16 12:04:51 <DPThought> XorA: *g*
Aug 16 12:05:18 <jgm> I always thought that in the context of mobile 'phones "realtime" meant "no appreciable interface lag".  At least, I'd rather that people focused on the latter than the former...
Aug 16 12:06:15 <DPThought> btw. does enyone expect the need for echo canceling? I think that could be needed for hands free use.
Aug 16 12:07:14 <DPThought> jgm: sure thats allways a option. redifine the meaning of a buzzword and consider you compliant. :))
Aug 16 12:07:18 <XorA> handsfree could be hard on Neo, the speakers are in same place as the mic
Aug 16 12:07:34 * XorA found that out much to his ears dislike
Aug 16 12:08:17 <DPThought> XorA: the TomTom Navi has hands free built in. They created a special driver for that. (i'm not sure if it is free)
Aug 16 12:09:09 <raster> jgm: realtime in any context means a guaranteed maximum service time of os-level requests
Aug 16 12:09:11 <raster> eg select()
Aug 16 12:09:32 <raster> or brk()
Aug 16 12:09:34 <raster> sbrek(0
Aug 16 12:09:36 <jgm> raster: Yeah I know but that's pretty much meaningless for end users
Aug 16 12:09:40 <raster> sbrk() etc.
Aug 16 12:09:42 <raster> yup
Aug 16 12:09:46 <raster> it is meaningless for end users
Aug 16 12:09:47 <raster> directly
Aug 16 12:10:01 <XorA> DPThought: I created nasty feedback the first time a Neo made a phone call
Aug 16 12:10:10 <jgm> Which is why I said that I'd rather people focused on removing interface lag (that being the only thing that the end users sees)
Aug 16 12:10:25 <raster> the problem is
Aug 16 12:10:30 <raster> if you NEED RT
Aug 16 12:10:33 <raster> and you don't have it
Aug 16 12:10:36 <raster> you get things like
Aug 16 12:10:38 <raster> dropped calls
Aug 16 12:10:44 <raster> glithy audio
Aug 16 12:10:48 <DPThought> XorA: would be interesting to see how fine the mixer has to be tuned in the 'production' version to avoid this
Aug 16 12:10:54 <raster> video that can't keep a constant fps
Aug 16 12:11:02 <XorA> DPThought: well thats my job :-D
Aug 16 12:11:09 <raster> and uncontrolled UI halts when a normally fast syscall becomes slow
Aug 16 12:11:27 <DPThought> XorA: ai, then have fun :)
Aug 16 12:11:27 <raster> userspace code can no longer control anytihing as its stuck in hung syscalls
Aug 16 12:12:29 <raster> lets see what we can do with the moko ui over time
Aug 16 12:12:47 <raster> indeed a non-laggy snappy fast and sexy ui is what users want
Aug 16 12:12:56 <raster> they also want intuitive
Aug 16 12:13:00 <raster> and powerful
Aug 16 12:13:02 <raster> and easy to use
Aug 16 12:14:12 <Dmitry_Platonov> did you see iPhone guided tour? There are some interesting ideas.
Aug 16 12:15:48 <raster> i've played with one before
Aug 16 12:15:57 <raster> iphone has stolen half of e's UI
Aug 16 12:16:16 <Dmitry_Platonov> from xerox 8)
Aug 16 12:16:29 <raster> no
Aug 16 12:16:32 <raster> from e
Aug 16 12:17:21 <Dmitry_Platonov> e?
Aug 16 12:17:28 <raster> enlightenment
Aug 16 12:17:47 <Dmitry_Platonov> Ah, that "e"
Aug 16 12:17:58 <raster> the "windows" all slide in
Aug 16 12:18:04 <raster> icons zoom in from the edge of the screen
Aug 16 12:18:11 <raster> other things zoom/slide all over
Aug 16 12:18:24 <raster> its what e has been doing with windows and ui stuff for years
Aug 16 12:19:12 <Dmitry_Platonov> last time I tried E17 was more than years ago. Did not see much sliding that time.
Aug 16 12:19:27 <Dmitry_Platonov> s/years/year/
Aug 16 12:19:27 <apt> Dmitry_Platonov meant: last time I tried E17 was more than year ago. Did not see much sliding that time.
Aug 16 12:20:52 <raster> e16 has done sliding for years
Aug 16 12:21:05 <raster> e15 did it
Aug 16 12:21:08 <raster> hell
Aug 16 12:21:10 <raster> e15 did it
Aug 16 12:21:13 <raster> err e14
Aug 16 12:21:17 <DPThought> how can i skip building uboot? (using the new Makefile)
Aug 16 12:24:19 <ynezz> BBMASK="uboot" in your local.conf
Aug 16 12:25:42 <gordonsyme_> rwhitby: MokoMakefile for 2007.2 appears to work but the build is broken so I haven't run to the end, same libxml2-native problem as ScaredyCat
Aug 16 12:25:43 <Dmitry_Platonov> raster, the only sliding I can remember is one after splashscreen
Aug 16 12:25:54 <raster> Dmitry_Platonov:  changing virtual desktop
Aug 16 12:25:59 <raster> for one
Aug 16 12:26:02 <raster> they slide
Aug 16 12:26:16 <raster> there was an option to slide in all new windows when they were shown
Aug 16 12:26:28 <raster> virtual desktops themseleves were slidable/dragable
Aug 16 12:26:33 <raster> well multiple desktops were
Aug 16 12:26:40 <Dmitry_Platonov> Hm, now I think I remember.
Aug 16 12:26:51 <raster> i definitely remember
Aug 16 12:26:54 <raster> i wrote the code to do it
Aug 16 12:26:55 <raster> :)
Aug 16 12:26:56 <CM> Hehe
Aug 16 12:27:22 <raster> to me the iphone is nothing special
Aug 16 12:27:34 <raster> its a polished up ui with all the things that have been done/seen before
Aug 16 12:27:41 <raster> just with nice artwork
Aug 16 12:27:43 <raster> and an apple logo
Aug 16 12:27:46 <CM> And locked down like hell
Aug 16 12:27:56 <raster> multitouch is probably the most "interesting" thing
Aug 16 12:28:01 <DPThought> ynezz: thx
Aug 16 12:28:02 <raster> the iphone has a crappy resolution
Aug 16 12:28:08 <raster> its half of the neo1973
Aug 16 12:28:18 <raster> (only 320x480)
Aug 16 12:28:22 <raster> for starters
Aug 16 12:28:43 <raster> imho the gta02 will be capable of much nicer ui's
Aug 16 12:28:52 <raster> just a question of code and artwork
Aug 16 12:28:58 <DPThought> raster: yea. usability and the browser are neat. 
Aug 16 12:29:08 <raster> the industrial desing thouhg leaves a bit to be desired for the case etc. :)
Aug 16 12:29:24 <DPThought> i was quite shocked when i found out what dpi the iphone has
Aug 16 12:30:20 <raster> the iphone?
Aug 16 12:30:30 <raster> it's very low compared to the neo
Aug 16 12:30:40 <raster> but if u have so few pixels to fill
Aug 16 12:30:52 <raster> you can spend the cpu cycles on zoomy slidy effects instead
Aug 16 12:31:07 <raster> the gta-02 neo (consumer version) will have an accelerated gfx chipset
Aug 16 12:31:16 <raster> which should give it much more ability to to more than the iphone
Aug 16 12:31:18 <raster> smoother
Aug 16 12:31:25 <raster> and at higher dpi and pixel count
Aug 16 12:33:58 <Dmitry_Platonov> raster, but would gta-02 neo have accelerated drivers?
Aug 16 12:34:10 <SpeedEvil> Good question :)
Aug 16 12:35:30 <raster> Dmitry_Platonov:  it will get them
Aug 16 12:35:35 <raster> it may not have them on dao 1
Aug 16 12:35:37 <raster> day 1
Aug 16 12:35:39 <raster> but it will get them
Aug 16 12:35:48 <raster> open drivers too
Aug 16 12:36:15 <DPThought> raster: yea. beside its good look and stunning UI, its is a crappy device. Compared to the neo and other devices like the N770/N800
Aug 16 12:36:20 <Dmitry_Platonov> yeah, drivers 6 month later, and open drivers, say, 3 years later
Aug 16 12:36:27 <raster> no
Aug 16 12:36:34 <raster> open drivers will come from the start
Aug 16 12:36:47 <Dmitry_Platonov> raster, source?
Aug 16 12:36:52 <raster> yes
Aug 16 12:37:09 <Dmitry_Platonov> I mean your source of information
Aug 16 12:37:09 <raster> the openmoko is intended to be just that
Aug 16 12:37:10 <raster> OPEN
Aug 16 12:37:24 <SpeedEvil> the drivers are open.
Aug 16 12:37:27 <SpeedEvil> err
Aug 16 12:37:27 <raster> source - those working inside openmoko
Aug 16 12:37:34 <SpeedEvil> the openmoko OS is open.
Aug 16 12:37:37 <SpeedEvil> the hardware is not.
Aug 16 12:37:47 <SpeedEvil> That may include drivers to bits with NDAs.
Aug 16 12:37:59 <raster> the SPECs for the chips may not be open
Aug 16 12:38:02 <SpeedEvil> For example, the accelerator chip is under NDA.
Aug 16 12:38:04 <raster> that will be under NDA
Aug 16 12:38:12 <SpeedEvil> so only FIC can implement the driver
Aug 16 12:38:13 <raster> but the resulting code for the drivers will be
Aug 16 12:38:22 <ynezz> it's all words, same with GPS :p
Aug 16 12:38:22 <raster> open
Aug 16 12:38:25 <SpeedEvil> which may mean that the driver does not support all possible functions.
Aug 16 12:38:35 <ynezz> "soon" could mean year
Aug 16 12:38:36 <raster> the gps was inherited from the old hw design intended for wince
Aug 16 12:38:37 * XorA will assume like most embedded 3d chips its PowerVR based, so go start hunting :-)
Aug 16 12:38:41 <raster> they have changed it for the gta-02
Aug 16 12:38:50 <SpeedEvil> raster: No, they haven't.
Aug 16 12:38:51 <ynezz> good to hear that
Aug 16 12:38:53 <raster> they havent?
Aug 16 12:39:09 <raster> i thought that was changed?
Aug 16 12:39:15 <SpeedEvil> That would be a major hardware change, and it hasn't been mentioned anywhere even semi-official.
Aug 16 12:39:26 <SpeedEvil> There have been rumors, but no real source.
Aug 16 12:39:30 <XorA> raster: I did as well :-)
Aug 16 12:39:38 <raster> well lets see
Aug 16 12:39:49 <raster> but i do know that the gfx will be open
Aug 16 12:39:53 <raster> not the spec sheets
Aug 16 12:39:58 <raster> but the driver source will be
Aug 16 12:40:28 <SpeedEvil> Which doesn't help you at all to implement stuff that's not in the driver.
Aug 16 12:40:33 <SpeedEvil> (in most cases)
Aug 16 12:40:40 <BryceLeo> that's pretty darn good, we don't know the manufacture for the gfx chips do we?
Aug 16 12:40:45 <XorA> if its PowerVR based there isnt much that cant be in the driver
Aug 16 12:40:55 <SpeedEvil> No, it's not powervr.
Aug 16 12:41:07 <BryceLeo> speedevil you're such a killjoy, lol
Aug 16 12:41:17 <SpeedEvil> I'm not saying there is stuff that cannot be in the driver.
Aug 16 12:41:34 <SpeedEvil> I'm saying that FIC has sharply limited manpower, and they are the only people that can implement the driver.
Aug 16 12:41:39 <raster> SpeedEvil: correct. you basically need to wait for it to be implemented by those with the specs
Aug 16 12:42:07 <SpeedEvil> Though some features that are combinations of other features may be possible.
Aug 16 12:42:27 <SpeedEvil> As an extreme example, the possible candidate for the next model up also has a DSP core on which the user can run code.
Aug 16 12:42:55 <SpeedEvil> That would be a fraction of a percent of the use, if it just has several canned applications, and is not programmable by the community.
Aug 16 12:42:59 <raster> after playing with the dsp on the n800
Aug 16 12:43:04 <SpeedEvil> the accel chip.
Aug 16 12:43:05 <raster> i'm not so hot on dsp's
Aug 16 12:43:19 <raster> even though it is programmable
Aug 16 12:43:24 <raster> the support is - hard to use
Aug 16 12:43:36 <raster> its got a limited linux os <-> DSP os interface
Aug 16 12:43:41 <raster> and it isn't that amazingly fast
Aug 16 12:43:52 <raster> its a bit slower than the main arm cpu at the work i was throwing at it
Aug 16 12:44:00 <raster> but given the complexity of dealing with it
Aug 16 12:44:03 <SpeedEvil> It could be used for example for mp3 decoding, with the main CPU almost shut down.
Aug 16 12:44:06 <raster> it really wasn't worth it in the end
Aug 16 12:44:11 <raster> give me an arm with 2x the clock rate
Aug 16 12:44:14 <raster> or a dual-core arm
Aug 16 12:44:17 <raster> instead
Aug 16 12:44:23 <raster> but yes
Aug 16 12:44:24 <SpeedEvil> It's a power-saving thing more than a raw power thing.
Aug 16 12:44:26 <raster> it coudl be used for that
Aug 16 12:44:27 <raster> then again
Aug 16 12:44:33 <raster> main cpu clocked down to 50mhz
Aug 16 12:44:35 <raster> could do that too
Aug 16 12:44:40 <DPThought> XorA: Oh, i was not aware that there are drivers for PowerVR out there. Maybe i can dig out my old Kyro now. :)
Aug 16 12:44:46 <raster> and save power
Aug 16 12:44:55 <raster> tough the dsp may suck less power
Aug 16 12:44:58 <BryceLeo> speedevil do you know voltage diff between the two (general numbers work)
Aug 16 12:44:59 <raster> depends on the dsp
Aug 16 12:45:00 <raster> and design
Aug 16 12:45:03 <SpeedEvil> Indeed, but clocking hte main CPU at 12Mhz, so it can just throw data at the chip would be nice.
Aug 16 12:45:04 <raster> etc.
Aug 16 12:45:06 <raster> but point is
Aug 16 12:45:10 <raster> it was a bitch to deal with
Aug 16 12:45:10 <SpeedEvil> BryceLeo: what two?
Aug 16 12:45:14 <XorA> DPThought: you bought a kyro :-D
Aug 16 12:45:21 <XorA> DPThought: hahahahahahahahahaha
Aug 16 12:45:26 <raster> i was tryng to make the dsp to gfx
Aug 16 12:45:28 <raster> eg
Aug 16 12:45:32 <raster> image blending, scaling etc.
Aug 16 12:45:42 <raster> and well - it really was NOT cut out fo that stuff
Aug 16 12:45:43 <BryceLeo> speedevil, difference in armcpu and the dsp
Aug 16 12:45:47 <SpeedEvil> raster: yes, I've done DSP. It's not completely simple, and is especially useful only for a subset of tasks.
Aug 16 12:45:55 <SpeedEvil> BryceLeo: volts?
Aug 16 12:46:10 <SpeedEvil> Do you mean power?
Aug 16 12:46:17 <BryceLeo> ok wrong unit, the draw difference
Aug 16 12:46:22 <SpeedEvil> Possibly around half - but it's less featured.
Aug 16 12:46:37 <SpeedEvil> It depends what you can do.
Aug 16 12:47:00 <DPThought> XorA: to be precise, my btother did. But it was a really nice board. But a pain in linux
Aug 16 12:47:05 <BryceLeo> heh i'm not to big a hardware guy but the basics are nice to know
Aug 16 12:47:10 <SpeedEvil> If for example, it lets you shut the CPU completely down, and wakeup every second for a couple of milliseconds to stream mp3 and mpg data to the DSP, then it really helps.
Aug 16 12:47:39 <XorA> DPThought: I worked at ST when they designed that monstrousity, it was amusing, the GeForce cards we had in our machines were a) cheaper and b) faster than the kyro
Aug 16 12:47:40 <BryceLeo> ok cool, that makes sense
Aug 16 12:47:48 <XorA> DPThought: but the idiot suits wouldnt listen to us
Aug 16 12:48:04 <BryceLeo> thanks speedevil
Aug 16 12:48:35 <raster> SpeedEvil: sure - it helps, but the problem is the dsp programming interfaces
Aug 16 12:48:59 <raster> the devel kits, compilers, the hoosk to talk with the rest of the OS and share/schedule the dsp
Aug 16 12:49:00 <raster> etc.
Aug 16 12:49:07 <DPThought> XorA: kyro seemed smarter. less silicon, less heat, smarter algorithm. And of cource i was used to buy politically. Nvidia was evil, ST was underdog.
Aug 16 12:49:08 <raster> dspgateway on the n800 is a bit nasty
Aug 16 12:49:10 <raster> imho
Aug 16 12:49:18 <raster> and tyhe TI dev kit is just awful
Aug 16 12:49:40 <SpeedEvil> It's basically very rare for the DSP to behave like another core with a different instruction set.
Aug 16 12:50:18 <raster> yeah
Aug 16 12:50:24 <raster> but that is what i'd like
Aug 16 12:50:30 <raster> i'd liek to pthread_create()
Aug 16 12:50:49 <raster> and the function is simply in another blob of the elf but in dsp binary
Aug 16 12:51:05 <raster> that's what i'd love to see
Aug 16 12:51:09 <raster> but that aint happening
Aug 16 12:51:15 <DPThought> XorA: at leas when nvidia destroyed my beloved 3dfx i could not longer buy teyr stuff :)
Aug 16 12:51:24 <Dmitry_Platonov> raster, and wouldn't
Aug 16 12:51:51 <XorA> DPThought: did you know ST designed the first nvidia cards :-)
Aug 16 12:55:08 <gordonsyme_> rwhitby: make qemu with 2007.2 MokoMakefile uses the 2007.1 images
Aug 16 12:55:28 <DPThought> XorA: i did not. Interesting
Aug 16 12:56:02 <DPThought> XorA: so is there a familiarity, or is it a different design?
Aug 16 12:56:11 <DPThought> XorA: or say - was
Aug 16 12:58:29 <jeddy3> anyone else having trouble building libxml2-native?
Aug 16 12:58:49 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] [[User:Nbasim]] [[Bluetooth_Support]] [[User_talk:HaraldWelte]] [[User_talk:Hhf423]] [[Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison]]
Aug 16 13:04:17 <XorA> DPThought: the riva cards are all similar to the ST design
Aug 16 13:04:29 <XorA> DPThought: GeForce was a re-design from scratch job AFAIK
Aug 16 13:10:59 <J-23> Neo will be too expensive :(
Aug 16 13:13:03 <J-23> And Polish zloty is too cheap :(
Aug 16 13:13:07 <thomasg__> J-23, too expensive for what/whom?
Aug 16 13:14:26 <J-23> for Polish teacher's son.
Aug 16 13:15:42 <thomasg__> well, imho the neo is available for a fair price (and also the $450 will be a fair price) in comparison to all other phones
Aug 16 13:16:00 <SpeedEvil> The big problem for it is GSM only.
Aug 16 13:16:07 <Richard_> HI, When I mount nfs, there's a error:NFS: NFSv3 not supported.
Aug 16 13:16:09 <SpeedEvil> But that can't be addressed in a low volume phone.
Aug 16 13:16:09 <J-23> In Polish zloty it's +1000
Aug 16 13:16:25 <Richard_> any hints?
Aug 16 13:16:52 <DPThought> J-23: dosn't poland have euro?
Aug 16 13:16:53 <thomasg__> I guess in polish zloty other phones don't have the same price like they have in the states in USD, too...
Aug 16 13:16:59 <thomasg__> DPThought, no
Aug 16 13:17:01 <juco> SpeedEvil, what else would you like to see in the neo? UMTS?
Aug 16 13:19:31 <thomasg__> J-23, but if you are only interested in the price, not in the currency, I can order a neo for you and it will be about €300 including shipping
Aug 16 13:20:16 <thomasg__> or ask a guy from gb, he could send it to you for about 220 gbp, doesn't this sound good? :)
Aug 16 13:20:59 <J-23> thomasg__: No, I don' t need Neo now.
Aug 16 13:30:08 <mdt> SpeedEvil, for me gsm-gprs would be fine, umts is needed for big images, gamedownload, videos etc.. for messaging, news feeds and stuff i would like to see gsm is fast enough...
Aug 16 13:31:30 <mmazur> umts is needed for ssh
Aug 16 13:31:41 <mmazur> As a linux guy, I'd really like to have workable ssh.
Aug 16 13:31:42 <DPThought> for internet in general
Aug 16 13:32:20 <DPThought> the oly thing i possibly could use over gprs is email pollng (not so much reading) and instant messaging
Aug 16 13:32:47 <XorA> ssh works fine on GPRS
Aug 16 13:32:56 <mmazur> I fetch all of my email and yeah, IM is workable.
Aug 16 13:33:04 <mmazur> XorA, if you like 600ms lags.
Aug 16 13:33:08 <mmazur> Which I don't.
Aug 16 13:33:18 <XorA> mmazur: I use it all the time and its perfectly acceptable
Aug 16 13:33:30 <mmazur> Not really.
Aug 16 13:33:42 <mmazur> I can't code.
Aug 16 13:33:43 <DPThought> at least the per-MB prices are good since umts is out
Aug 16 13:33:47 <mmazur> Irssi is barely acceptable.
Aug 16 13:34:21 <mjr> coding over gprs seems silly
Aug 16 13:34:36 <mjr> irssi and stuff like that is usable, as said
Aug 16 13:34:38 <ewon> i've written php over ssh on 14.4k dialup
Aug 16 13:34:53 <ewon> good times
Aug 16 13:34:54 <mmazur> It does. That's why I don't do it. And since there's no umts where I live, I don't have much choice.
Aug 16 13:35:06 <mmazur> ewon, dialups have like 200ms?
Aug 16 13:35:07 <mmazur> iirc
Aug 16 13:35:15 <mjr> if you need to edit files, you can just run the editor on the neo...
Aug 16 13:35:22 <ewon> more, this was lossy dialup
Aug 16 13:36:37 <mmazur> mjr, sshmount might work.
Aug 16 13:37:01 <mjr> Should. Or gnome-vfs, if editor of choice supports. Or whatever.
Aug 16 13:37:27 <mjr> 'course there is the drawback if you need to edit a very large file
Aug 16 13:37:34 <mjr> that you want to do remotely
Aug 16 13:37:51 * XorA likes the look of 2007.2
Aug 16 13:37:57 <XorA> but where is the virtual keyboard?
Aug 16 13:38:07 <DPThought> XorA: launch input manager ;)
Aug 16 13:38:45 <mmazur> mjr, still, the *real* solution would be to just have umts and nice low pings :)
Aug 16 13:38:46 <XorA> DPThought: that fires up calculator
Aug 16 13:38:52 <DPThought> XorA: then you get a white blob in the menu bar. the most right side of this blob contains a dropdown. the rest enables the jeyboard
Aug 16 13:39:07 <DPThought> XorA: not in my revision :)
Aug 16 13:39:15 <DPThought> about a week old
Aug 16 13:39:24 <CM> I've never understood why it's a while blob..
Aug 16 13:39:40 <CM> Besides, you can accidently start many inputmanagers and fill up the menubar
Aug 16 13:39:43 <torpor> its a white blob coz a pixmap is missing/unreadable.
Aug 16 13:40:38 <DPThought> CM: many inoutmanagers are fun. I had the screen filled with three keyboards once :) 
Aug 16 13:40:40 <blindcoder> because blobs are all the fun these days! binary blobs in kernel, white blobs in user interfaces
Aug 16 13:41:08 <CM> DPThought: Me too, but I had ssh in and kill them ;)
Aug 16 13:42:25 <DPThought> CM: i tried to kill them via the running tasks menu. but x crashed soon after...
Aug 16 13:42:28 * XorA has ordered a sim for phonecall testing
Aug 16 13:43:27 * mmazur just bought a prepaid for eq. ~3$
Aug 16 13:44:55 <jgm> Anyone building om2007.2 at the moment?  I'm getting a compile failure in libxml2-native
Aug 16 13:45:54 <gordonsyme_> jgm: I get the same
Aug 16 13:46:12 <ashnazg> no one has yet identified a kernel build that successfully makes calls from the 2007.2 build, right?  I can't find anything to that effect on the wiki...  I'm hoping someone will publish some instructions on "this build CAN make phone calls" once there is one that can.
Aug 16 13:46:43 <mmazur> Phone calls via dialer or libgsm-tool?
Aug 16 13:47:02 <ashnazg> dialer... I haven't seen mention of that libgsm-tool...
Aug 16 13:47:33 <XorA> jgm: just finished a build
Aug 16 13:48:24 <jgm> Hmm... what rev of libxml2-native are you at?
Aug 16 13:49:05 <ashnazg> I just got my neo two days ago, so my first order of business is to get a build on it that will just successfully make calls.  once I'm at that point, I'll begin to carry the phone and use it, so I can report back any quirks during usage.  I hope to flash new kernels onto the phone once each build is somewhat confirmed to make calls, so I can continue to real-world-test those builds...
Aug 16 13:50:31 <mmazur> ashnazg, that's a bad idea :)
Aug 16 13:50:45 <mmazur> You don't beta-test alpha-quality software :)
Aug 16 13:51:06 <ewon> heh
Aug 16 13:51:07 <ashnazg> mmazur: call it beta-testing the hardware :P
Aug 16 13:51:38 <woglinde> ashnazg hm are you aware that theire are 100 people or more doing the same?
Aug 16 13:51:39 <mmazur> Considering that there are still important things to do (iirc) with such basic things as gsmd, it's likely to break a brazillion times.
Aug 16 13:52:10 <ashnazg> mmazur: plus call it marketing the phone in the American South ;)
Aug 16 13:52:35 <ashnazg> woglinde: are there indeed others with a build loaded that is making calls ok?
Aug 16 13:53:00 <mmazur> ashnazg, as what? Rattlesnake & crock protection gizmo? :)
Aug 16 13:53:14 <ashnazg> mmazur: hehe :)
Aug 16 13:53:55 <Dmitry_Platonov> jgm, my update today (now) went fine
Aug 16 13:54:24 <jgm> Thanks, will give it another shot
Aug 16 14:01:43 <jgm> Nah still failing at the same place
Aug 16 14:02:15 <Dmitry_Platonov> what's your version?
Aug 16 14:02:38 <torpor> i also just got my neo a few days ago, and i couldn't care less that it doesn't make calls: all i want is to be able to write code for it, and right away.
Aug 16 14:03:26 <SpeedEvil> You can!
Aug 16 14:03:30 <SpeedEvil> ash scripts!
Aug 16 14:03:30 <SpeedEvil> ;)
Aug 16 14:03:38 <SpeedEvil> Or awk.
Aug 16 14:03:49 <jgm> NOTE: package libxml2-native-2.6.29-r1: task do_fetch: started
Aug 16 14:05:01 <SpeedEvil> Anyone comment on why my shell on the phone does 'root§fic-gta01:ß$' - with the wierd chars?
Aug 16 14:05:05 <torpor> no, C.  C++.  GUI.  framebuffer blits.
Aug 16 14:05:27 <torpor> SpeedEvil: coz your term program (on your pc) is UTF'icated.
Aug 16 14:05:42 <SpeedEvil> Ah.
Aug 16 14:05:46 <torpor> are you in germany?
Aug 16 14:05:57 * SpeedEvil checks.
Aug 16 14:06:00 <SpeedEvil> Nope.
Aug 16 14:06:04 * SpeedEvil is in the UK.
Aug 16 14:06:09 <SpeedEvil> however.
Aug 16 14:06:21 <SpeedEvil> ctrl-right-click, and pick 'utf-8' seems to work.
Aug 16 14:06:24 <SpeedEvil> thanks. for the clue.
Aug 16 14:09:40 <Dmitry_Platonov> jgm, hmm. I have no -r1.
Aug 16 14:10:15 <jgm> Dmitry_Platonov: in that case I suggest you don't update :/
Aug 16 14:11:04 <Dmitry_Platonov> I did mtn pull ... and mtn update 
Aug 16 14:11:25 <jgm> This is from the new mokomakefile
Aug 16 14:12:30 <torpor> jgm: i'm about to run the new monomakefile from scratch myself, but .. would it be smarter to go with the older one?
Aug 16 14:13:41 <jgm> Possibly...
Aug 16 14:15:18 <torpor> okay well i'm trying to stay current with the newest, so here goes anyway ..
Aug 16 14:16:48 <CM> torpor: The newer one is still building for me, only trouble I had was with glibc that would fail on locales unless I build qemu by hand first.. Weird
Aug 16 14:16:54 <CM> Bah, he left
Aug 16 14:22:54 <ScaredyCat> who needs all those fecking locales anyway
Aug 16 14:23:08 <jgm> Yeah they take a while
Aug 16 14:23:29 <jgm> Let me know if you get past libxml2-native
Aug 16 14:23:37 <ScaredyCat> I didn't
Aug 16 14:23:44 <jgm> Ah
Aug 16 14:23:55 <CM> How soon is that?
Aug 16 14:23:58 <ScaredyCat> but since I have parallel build it does other stuff too
Aug 16 14:24:11 <CM> I'm at NOTE: Running task 1595 of 3543 (ID: 3307, /home/moko/openembedded/packages/gstreamer/gst-plugins-base_0.10.14.bb, do_configure)
Aug 16 14:24:22 <ScaredyCat> so it continues around libxml-bollocks
Aug 16 14:24:31 <jgm> How do you set parallel build?
Aug 16 14:24:41 <ScaredyCat> CM it's like 500 or something, you got passed it..
Aug 16 14:24:42 <CM> And I noticed that libxlms was downloaded at least
Aug 16 14:24:47 <CM> Ok
Aug 16 14:25:20 <DPThought> jgm: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#Tips
Aug 16 14:25:22 <ScaredyCat> PARALLEL_MAKE = "-j 4"
Aug 16 14:25:22 <ScaredyCat> BB_NUMBER_THREADS = "4"
Aug 16 14:25:31 <ScaredyCat> in your local.conf
Aug 16 14:26:02 <radiorental> is bluetooth working, or, how do I enable it - thanks!
Aug 16 14:27:01 <jgm> Ta
Aug 16 14:29:02 <ScaredyCat> the interesting thing is that it continues without the libxml, makes me wonder if it's actually needed, and if not, how many other pointless builds happen too
Aug 16 14:29:23 <jgm> Probably most of them
Aug 16 14:30:14 <ScaredyCat> hehe
Aug 16 14:33:32 <ScaredyCat> radiorental: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bluetooth_Support
Aug 16 14:33:41 <radiorental> thanks mate
Aug 16 14:34:32 <radiorental> did I read somewhere that when all is said and done we might get offered the final build pcbs to put in the alpha units we have now?
Aug 16 14:35:34 <idarwin> not likely, there are too many other changes to make this worthwhile. I'm disappointed too :-) Check for Sean's posting on the list about 3 weeks ago
Aug 16 14:35:54 <radiorental> ahh well
Aug 16 14:39:11 <idarwin> Jack Kapcia (who ran a favorable piece on OpenMoko) has Interesting article on "e-diction" and "crackberry" at http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs/cyberia?cid=al_gam_nletter_dtechal
Aug 16 14:40:27 <RubberHound> What are your impressions of Neo1973 so far? I'm asking because I think about buying GTA02 when it comes out
Aug 16 14:42:42 <CM> RubberHound: Great screen, nice size, and really alpha alpha software ;)
Aug 16 14:42:54 <RubberHound> Hehe
Aug 16 14:43:07 * Stephmw hugs rwhitby 
Aug 16 14:43:17 <RubberHound> Any chance it will be less alpha until october?
Aug 16 14:43:42 <CM> Sure hope so, feels like things are getting better much more quickly now.
Aug 16 14:44:52 <RubberHound> I can't wait for it, i liked the idea of an open cell-phone the moment i heard about it
Aug 16 14:45:17 <radiorental> I do have a major issue with part of the industrial deisgn.  Using a stylus right up against the edge of the screen sucks.  The plastic comes up quite high beside the screen, even though its beveled.  You have to hold up the stylus at almost 90 degrees to tap those edge screen elements.
Aug 16 14:45:37 <jgm> Yeah that is an annoyance, especially with the high DPI of the screen
Aug 16 14:46:05 <radiorental> A lot of the time I thinking I'm tapping the screen but I'm actually hitting the plastic case
Aug 16 14:46:05 <CM> And it's hard to use with fingers only since it's so small
Aug 16 14:47:10 <ScaredyCat> the screen is too small for the resolution - imho
Aug 16 14:47:31 <RubberHound> what's the resolution?
Aug 16 14:47:38 <CM> 283 dpi
Aug 16 14:47:46 <ScaredyCat> 480x600
Aug 16 14:47:48 <CM> 480x640
Aug 16 14:47:51 <RubberHound> whow
Aug 16 14:47:54 <RubberHound> on 3.5''?
Aug 16 14:48:00 <CM> No, 2.8"
Aug 16 14:48:13 <RubberHound> nice
Aug 16 14:48:22 <radiorental> seriously nice
Aug 16 14:49:03 <radiorental> downside is that when the screen gets scratched, and it will, it looks so bad
Aug 16 14:49:10 <jeddy3> yeah, it's incredibly sharp...but sometimes a almost a little overkill resolution 
Aug 16 14:49:23 <ckuethe> radiorental: pda screen protector film...
Aug 16 14:49:34 <jeddy3> radiorental, what has that to do with resolution?
Aug 16 14:49:55 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 711 has been created by kresp0(AT)yahoo.es
Aug 16 14:49:55 <cdbot2> * * small info errors in bootloader console
Aug 16 14:49:56 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=711
Aug 16 14:49:57 <jeddy3> scratches look bad on all screens :)
Aug 16 14:50:35 <ruimoreira> hy there guys 
Aug 16 14:50:40 <ruimoreira> anyone here from portugal ?
Aug 16 14:50:41 <radiorental> jeddy3, looking at my old zaurus which is scratched to feck, it doesnt really affect the larger pixels underneath.  Increase the resolution and those same scratches cover more pixels
Aug 16 14:51:33 <ScaredyCat> jgm: move openembedded/packages/libxml/libxml2-native_2.6.29.bb  somewhere else
Aug 16 14:51:38 <radiorental> ckuethe: I havent used screen protectors since the palm V, I didnt like the feel of them, esp dragging.  Maybe they have changed or there are high quality ones nowdays
Aug 16 14:51:48 <ScaredyCat> when the build stops..
Aug 16 14:51:59 <ScaredyCat> looks like they rolled back to 2.6.26
Aug 16 14:52:03 <jeddy3> radiorental, ah, yes a scratch will cover more pixels, you can't argue with that
Aug 16 14:52:11 <ScaredyCat> which seems to be ok for me
Aug 16 14:53:32 <jgm> ScaredyCat: thanks will give it a go
Aug 16 14:53:37 <CM> ScaredyCat: Wonder why libxml2-2.6.29 worked for me
Aug 16 14:53:53 <ScaredyCat> NOTE: package libxml2-native-2.6.26-r1: task do_compile: failed
Aug 16 14:53:54 <ScaredyCat> ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting
Aug 16 14:53:55 <jeddy3> ScaredyCat, will try that, 2.6.29 borks for me
Aug 16 14:54:31 <ScaredyCat> smae error
Aug 16 14:56:41 <jeddy3> second that, same error
Aug 16 14:57:17 <tonyg> wheee! my neo1973 arrived
Aug 16 14:57:30 <tonyg> the resolution of the display is astonishing
Aug 16 14:57:44 <CM> jeddy3: What does it fail on? I mean what does the log say?
Aug 16 14:57:54 <jgm> ScaredyCat: yep that seems to get me past the problem.  Thanks.
Aug 16 14:58:13 <jeddy3> | In file included from libxml.c:26:
Aug 16 14:58:13 <jeddy3> | libxml_wrap.h:89: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before 'xmlCatalogPtr'
Aug 16 14:58:13 <jeddy3> | libxml_wrap.h:225: error: expected ')' before 'obj'
Aug 16 14:58:50 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem]] [[Bluetooth_Support]] [[P1_Owners]]
Aug 16 14:58:58 <ScaredyCat> http://pastebin.ca/659773
Aug 16 14:59:10 <jgm> jeddy3: yep that's the problem, do as ScaredyCat says and you'll be fine
Aug 16 14:59:28 <ScaredyCat> I still get it jgm
Aug 16 14:59:38 <jeddy3> jgm, except we STILL get it jgm :)
Aug 16 15:00:25 <ScaredyCat> jgm: it takes a while to fail the first time
Aug 16 15:00:28 <XorA> mickeyl: looks like python 2.5 has made libxml barth :-(
Aug 16 15:00:51 <jeddy3> XorA, i was also thinking python upgrades
Aug 16 15:00:54 <CM> I have python 2.4.4 native
Aug 16 15:01:04 <jgm> Ah yes, so we do
Aug 16 15:01:05 <jgm> <sigh>
Aug 16 15:01:17 <mickeyl> that's unfortunate. we need to fix libxml then
Aug 16 15:01:24 <ScaredyCat> openmoko@mokomaker:~$ python --version
Aug 16 15:01:24 <ScaredyCat> Python 2.5.1
Aug 16 15:01:28 <XorA> although double checking that libxml is looking at /usr/include which is just wrong
Aug 16 15:01:36 <XorA> so people seeing fail need to find out why
Aug 16 15:02:34 * Stephmw wonders how long a mokomakefile build takes on amd64x2 (32bit)
Aug 16 15:02:39 <ScaredyCat> I'm more curious as to the diff between the 2 .2 makefiles. the 1st built fine for me
Aug 16 15:03:07 <jgm> I think that python was just updated in OE, which is the problem.
Aug 16 15:03:14 <XorA> Stephmw: couple of hours
Aug 16 15:03:15 <ScaredyCat> ah
Aug 16 15:03:19 <jeddy3> ScaredyCat, not differencies in OE-tree then?
Aug 16 15:03:20 <CM> Stephmw: From scratch on my single core 64-bit about 7.5h
Aug 16 15:03:44 <XorA> CM: 7.5h??????? how slow is your core?
Aug 16 15:03:52 <ScaredyCat> dunno.. there's about 200 million things changeing at once, doesn't help analysis
Aug 16 15:03:56 <CM> 3000+, 2GHz
Aug 16 15:03:57 <XorA> CM: or did it have to download all the source
Aug 16 15:04:07 <XorA> CM: my 3200+ does it in about 4 hours
Aug 16 15:04:17 <Stephmw> XorA: 4200+, but it's my first download
Aug 16 15:04:21 <CM> I have 100mbit, so downloads go fairly quickly..
Aug 16 15:04:26 <jgm> XorA: the problem appears to be that there is no definition of xmlCatalogPtr anywhere (or at least anywhere included)
Aug 16 15:04:39 <Stephmw> XorA: I've also added the conf switches in the tips for dual cores
Aug 16 15:04:55 <CM> XorA: Not sure what's making it so slow. Been compiling since this morning today
Aug 16 15:05:02 * Stephmw eyes his cpu graph
Aug 16 15:05:06 <CM> And now I'm on qt4
Aug 16 15:05:08 <XorA> the problem with downloads is they tend to just stall until downloaded, but second compile is MUCH quicker
Aug 16 15:05:12 <Stephmw> although I don't think it's using both cores 100%
Aug 16 15:06:44 <CM> XorA: Would be nice if bitbake prefetches the downloads for the next few builds in the background (like gentoo portage)
Aug 16 15:06:49 <XorA> jgm: I wonder if building python-native will help
Aug 16 15:06:56 <XorA> CM: it can do now
Aug 16 15:07:04 <CM> Ah, nice :)
Aug 16 15:07:22 <XorA> CM: as of an RP patch this morning, you can bitibake -c fetch blah-image on on console and build on another
Aug 16 15:07:30 <XorA> well if I understood the patch right anyway
Aug 16 15:07:53 <RP> XorA: That wasn't quite the intent :}
Aug 16 15:08:46 <RP> XorA: The problem it was solving was two packages like dbus and dbus-native trying to download the same file to DL_DIR at the same time in seperate threads
Aug 16 15:09:17 <XorA> RP: but does it solve that problem as a nice side effect?
Aug 16 15:09:45 <ScaredyCat> curious
Aug 16 15:10:05 <ScaredyCat> jgm jeddy3 try now
Aug 16 15:10:09 <RP> XorA: Possibly although I'd worry about the locking on certain like like the main cache
Aug 16 15:10:18 <RP> XorA: It will probably appear to work
Aug 16 15:11:09 <jgm> Okay so xmlCatalogPtr is typdef'ed in /usr/include/libxml2/libxml/catalog.h but that doesn't seem to be included from elsewhere
Aug 16 15:11:19 <jgm> ScaredyCat: Just ran a 'make update' and didn't see any new revisions
Aug 16 15:11:39 <ScaredyCat> mine didn;t error
Aug 16 15:11:42 <ScaredyCat> this time
Aug 16 15:11:56 <ScaredyCat> oh, there we go
Aug 16 15:12:11 <jgm> Heh
Aug 16 15:15:04 <ruimoreira> one question, has anyone been able to make phonecalls and / or receive sms ou phase 1 neo ?
Aug 16 15:15:09 <SpeedEvil> yes.
Aug 16 15:15:22 <SpeedEvil> I've recieved SMS, and made/gotten calls.
Aug 16 15:15:27 <ruimoreira> ok
Aug 16 15:15:27 <SpeedEvil> even using the dialer to place calls.
Aug 16 15:15:30 <jeddy3> ScaredyCat, you made update, and then tried again?
Aug 16 15:15:39 <SpeedEvil> though I was using cu to talk direct to the modem for SMS
Aug 16 15:15:50 <ruimoreira> cu ?
Aug 16 15:15:59 <ScaredyCat> trying
Aug 16 15:16:06 <SpeedEvil> _very_ old tool to talk to a serial device.
Aug 16 15:16:12 <ruimoreira> ok
Aug 16 15:16:12 <SpeedEvil> It is _not_ suitable for users.
Aug 16 15:17:51 <ruimoreira> SpeedEvil: what about power management ... any news ?
Aug 16 15:17:56 <ruimoreira> sorry for all the questions 
Aug 16 15:18:00 <SpeedEvil> Basically still not there.
Aug 16 15:18:02 <ruimoreira> came back from holidays
Aug 16 15:18:04 <ruimoreira> :P
Aug 16 15:18:19 <SpeedEvil> Unless you've been away months, not much has happened.
Aug 16 15:18:23 <ruimoreira> nop
Aug 16 15:18:27 <ruimoreira> 2 weeks 
Aug 16 15:19:09 <ruimoreira> looking forward for it , one of my co-workers came up with a iphone
Aug 16 15:19:15 <SpeedEvil> Doubtfull.
Aug 16 15:19:17 <SpeedEvil> oops
Aug 16 15:19:19 <ruimoreira> :D
Aug 16 15:20:06 <ScaredyCat> still barfs jeddy3
Aug 16 15:21:18 <jeddy3> not there yet, make update and setup sometimes whine about not resolving openmoko.org
Aug 16 15:23:14 <jeddy3> ScaredyCat, yup, same error
Aug 16 15:23:33 <Stephmw> XorA: ahh, there we go, 100% utilisation on both cores
Aug 16 15:23:50 * ScaredyCat increases parallel task count to 3355 and takes a walk
Aug 16 15:23:57 <jeddy3> ScaredyCat, aah, yours was a statement not a question...got it now :)
Aug 16 15:23:58 <XorA> Stephmw: with 4 threads of Xeon, it stops my mouse pointer at times
Aug 16 15:24:01 <jgm> Ouch
Aug 16 15:24:15 <Stephmw> XorA: no such issue here
Aug 16 15:24:35 <Stephmw> using:
Aug 16 15:24:36 <Stephmw> PARALLEL_MAKE = "-j 4"
Aug 16 15:24:36 <Stephmw> BB_NUMBER_THREADS = "4"
Aug 16 15:24:43 <XorA> youch :-D
Aug 16 15:25:10 <Stephmw> build host, Linux serene 2.6.20-16-lowlatency #2 SMP PREEMPT Thu Jun 7 20:23:03 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
Aug 16 15:25:43 <XorA> 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP
Aug 16 15:25:52 <XorA> no fancy preempt patches :-)
Aug 16 15:26:17 <Stephmw> :)
Aug 16 15:26:21 * Stephmw hugs ubuntu
Aug 16 15:26:35 <Stephmw> don't think I'm getting much out of the lowlatency patch though
Aug 16 15:26:35 <XorA> ubuntu at home, but only signle amd64
Aug 16 15:31:28 <tuukkah> now was this a blunder: my headphones didn't work last night because i hadn't plugged them in properly =-/
Aug 16 15:31:45 <jeddy3> tuukkah, :)
Aug 16 15:31:51 <XorA> tuukkah: at least you came clean :-D
Aug 16 15:32:12 <tuukkah> =)
Aug 16 15:32:19 <XorA> tuukkah: comment #2 is me :-)
Aug 16 15:33:11 <tuukkah> XorA, sorry for the trouble
Aug 16 15:33:28 <XorA> tuukkah: no probs, gave me an excuse to build a recent image and see the new stuff
Aug 16 15:34:18 <tuukkah> i don't know if we still want the state files, or is it the job of some fine daemon to control the speaker muting
Aug 16 15:35:05 <XorA> tuukkah: eventually there will be some daemon
Aug 16 15:36:12 <XorA> and hopefully it will hide unused mixers and controls as well
Aug 16 15:36:16 <tuukkah> using xev, I can see some key events when i insert the plug, but not when i take it out. is that right?
Aug 16 15:36:40 <SpeedEvil> thre are events on pullout in /dev/input/event0
Aug 16 15:36:45 <SpeedEvil> or is it event2
Aug 16 15:37:08 <SpeedEvil> hexdump -c /dev/input/event0
Aug 16 15:40:37 <tuukkah> SpeedEvil, ok, and plugin too
Aug 16 15:40:43 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03njp * r2717 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-gsm/src/openmoko-panel-gsm.c: 
Aug 16 15:40:43 <CIA-20> openmoko: * Fix all warnings.
Aug 16 15:40:43 <CIA-20> openmoko: * Make the image used dependant on signal percentage.
Aug 16 15:40:43 <CIA-20> openmoko: * Fix small mem leak.
Aug 16 15:40:53 <tuukkah> but not for the headset button press
Aug 16 15:41:42 * SpeedEvil bugzilla'd that a week or so ago.
Aug 16 15:42:02 <SpeedEvil> nobody gets headset button events. (out of 5 or so)
Aug 16 15:46:42 <tuukkah> in debian at least, there's this nice binary evtest that can tell a bit more than hexdump
Aug 16 15:47:24 <tonyg> SpeedEvil, when I ran your hexdump -c /dev/input/event0 just now I got events for headset button press/release
Aug 16 15:47:48 <tonyg> (and for headset insertion/removal, and AUX press/release)
Aug 16 15:49:09 <tuukkah> tonyg, which kernel version do you have?
Aug 16 15:49:38 <tonyg> uImage-2.6.21.6-moko11-r1_0_0_2678_0-fic-gta01.bin
Aug 16 15:49:46 <tonyg> i can tell you uname output once I finish rebooting
Aug 16 15:50:14 <tuukkah> i have uImage-2.6.21.5-r2-fic-gta01.bin
Aug 16 15:53:25 <tonyg> I can't find where I found the link to that image :-/
Aug 16 15:53:33 <tonyg> there was a wikipage with reviews of image/rootfs combinations
Aug 16 15:54:12 <jadams> I've been billed finally!
Aug 16 15:55:15 <DPThought> my kernel does not build the whole day. see http://pastebin.com/d47005be1 I have no expirience in the build environment yet, so i don't see what is wrong. (using the new makefile)
Aug 16 15:55:37 <DPThought> cp complains „/home/tilli/moko/openembedded/packages/linux/linux/defconfig“ is not available
Aug 16 15:56:05 <DPThought> in do_unpack
Aug 16 15:56:46 <tuukkah> tonyg, here? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing#20070810065827_with_kernel_2.6.21.6-moko11-r1_and_default_uboot
Aug 16 16:01:08 <tonyg> that's it :-)
Aug 16 16:01:28 <CIA-20> openmoko: 03njp * r2718 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokogsmd2/ (3 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
Aug 16 16:01:28 <CIA-20> openmoko: 2007-08-16 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com>
Aug 16 16:01:28 <CIA-20> openmoko:  * libmokogsmd/moko-gsmd-connection.c:
Aug 16 16:01:28 <CIA-20> openmoko:  (moko_gsmd_connection_set_antenna_power),
Aug 16 16:01:28 <CIA-20> openmoko:  (moko_gsmd_connection_send_pin),
Aug 16 16:01:29 <CIA-20> openmoko:  (moko_gsmd_connection_network_register),
Aug 16 16:01:31 <CIA-20> openmoko:  (moko_gsmd_connection_voice_accept),
Aug 16 16:03:23 <tonyg> has anyone else had trouble with their make openmoko-devel-image getting stuck withpackage xcalibrateext-0.0+git20060814-r0? no detectable work going on during 
Aug 16 16:03:33 <tonyg> gah
Aug 16 16:03:48 <tonyg> has anyone else had trouble with their make openmoko-devel-image getting stuck with no detectable work going on during package xcalibrateext-0.0+git20060814-r0?
Aug 16 16:09:59 <hhf423> re
Aug 16 16:11:22 <hhf423> so, here I go. I have a Neo with a 2007.1 which actually asks for a PIN and sometimes even dials numbers. But if the call connects, I do not hear a thing
Aug 16 16:15:12 <hhf423> how do I make my linux route ip from usb to eth0?
Aug 16 16:15:23 <tuukkah> hhf423, did you try to load different mixer settings? alsactl -f /etc/alsa/gsmhandset.state restore
Aug 16 16:16:15 <tuukkah> hhf423, if you mean NAT, see for example http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Automatic_method
Aug 16 16:16:30 <hhf423> tuukkah: hmm, I did at some point, do I have to do that again aber each reboot of the phone?
Aug 16 16:17:00 <DPThought> hhf423: at the moment yes
Aug 16 16:17:18 <hhf423> ah, that may be the problem
Aug 16 16:18:35 <ScaredyCat> just add another boot command in /etc/init.d and rcN.d/
Aug 16 16:20:25 <hhf423> well, that did the trick, actually
Aug 16 16:21:39 <hhf423> now, I can dial using gsmdlib-tool, should the dialer not also work?
Aug 16 16:22:34 <tonyg> hhf423, for the sound mixer settings, you can say "alsactl store" when you're happy, and /etc/asound.state will be written
Aug 16 16:23:14 <hhf423> tonyg: will that survive a reboot?
Aug 16 16:23:49 <tonyg> erm. maybe not. i don't see any reference to alsactl in any of the rcS.d files
Aug 16 16:24:00 <tonyg> but once it's there, it's the default, so "alsactl restore" will read it
Aug 16 16:26:02 <ferric> yay.  neo will be here tomorrow.
Aug 16 16:26:16 <riot> here, next week :)
Aug 16 16:26:42 <riot> oh, btw. has anyone tried running gnu radio on the phone?
Aug 16 16:28:56 <DPThought> any hints why my kernel does not bild? http://pastebin.com/d47005be1 (i'm completely helpless at the moment)
Aug 16 16:29:56 <tonyg> grr. xcalibrateext is refusing to do *anything* during build. it's holding me up
Aug 16 16:30:07 <Kensan> DPThougt: you have enough free space on the harddisk?
Aug 16 16:32:13 <DPThought> kayon: yes
Aug 16 16:33:55 <Writchie> happycube: ping
Aug 16 16:36:44 <hhf423> where on the openmoko do I enter the DNS? /etc/resolv ?
Aug 16 16:37:14 <tuukkah> /etc/resolv.conf yes
Aug 16 16:38:07 <hhf423> tuukkah: which does not exist, right?
Aug 16 16:38:12 <tuukkah> right
Aug 16 16:38:14 <Stephmw> CM: at perl-native, coming up to 2hrs
Aug 16 16:42:36 <Writchie> anybody know if something special has be done to turn on the Bluetooth module - i don't seem to have hci0 ??
Aug 16 16:43:18 <jeddy3> Writchie, less 1 >> /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-bt.0/power_on
Aug 16 16:43:26 <xkr47> lol @ less
Aug 16 16:43:29 <Writchie> jeddy3: tx
Aug 16 16:43:29 <Vegar> less?
Aug 16 16:43:37 <xkr47> less == cat if piped
Aug 16 16:43:37 <jeddy3> haha no my bad
Aug 16 16:43:49 <jeddy3> Writchie, cat 1 >> /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-bt.0/power_on
Aug 16 16:43:55 <xkr47> looool
Aug 16 16:44:03 <xkr47> 1: no such file lol lol lol
Aug 16 16:44:04 <jeddy3> to tired, right now =)
Aug 16 16:44:11 <xkr47> Writchie, try echo 1 >>  ...
Aug 16 16:44:12 <xkr47> :)
Aug 16 16:44:22 <xkr47> "echo 1 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-bt.0/power_on"
Aug 16 16:44:30 * jeddy3 needs to go home and get some sleep :)
Aug 16 16:44:30 <hhf423> hmm, when I do "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" I get "bash: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward: Permission denied"
Aug 16 16:44:43 * xkr47 puts jeddy3 to bed and sings a lullaby
Aug 16 16:45:00 * Stephmw jumps on the bed and terrifies jeddy3 
Aug 16 16:45:13 * jeddy3 should shut up and try to work now =)
Aug 16 16:45:39 * xkr47 gives Stephmw a moko as distraction
Aug 16 16:45:44 <jeddy3> Writchie, echo, nothing else
Aug 16 16:46:47 * ScaredyCat slaps people
Aug 16 16:47:12 <Writchie> got it on - tx
Aug 16 16:47:15 <xkr47> ScaredyCat, sorry :)
Aug 16 16:47:19 <jeddy3> Writchie, good :)
Aug 16 16:47:38 <Stephmw> xkr47: Oooo, shiny!
Aug 16 16:47:54 <ScaredyCat> shinty?
Aug 16 16:48:06 <ScaredyCat> s/n//
Aug 16 16:48:07 <apt> ScaredyCat meant: shity?
Aug 16 16:48:11 * jeddy3 drinks some coffee and tries to get back to work
Aug 16 16:48:15 <hhf423> I do not get it, I am root, why can I not do what I want?
Aug 16 16:48:22 <ScaredyCat> ?
Aug 16 16:48:26 <jeddy3> hhf423, what do you mean?
Aug 16 16:48:29 <hhf423> hmm, when I do "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" I get "bash: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward: Permission denied"
Aug 16 16:49:01 <jeddy3> hhf423, you should not be able to write to proc, no?
Aug 16 16:49:10 <hhf423> I want IP forwarding on my unbuntu box, so I can get stuff from the internets from the neo
Aug 16 16:49:23 <DPThought> why no permission? He is root
Aug 16 16:50:01 <tuukkah> hhf423, can you cat the file?
Aug 16 16:50:03 <jeddy3> yes, my bad again
Aug 16 16:50:06 * xkr47 is shocked by hhf423's problem
Aug 16 16:50:15 <don-o> the answer must be he is not root
Aug 16 16:50:16 * xkr47 kicks jeddy3 out of irc for a while
Aug 16 16:50:23 <jeddy3> hhf423, you arent trying to do it with sudo, right?
Aug 16 16:50:36 <hhf423> let me see
Aug 16 16:50:39 <tuukkah> jeddy3 =)
Aug 16 16:50:44 <ScaredyCat> sudo su -
Aug 16 16:50:47 <ScaredyCat> whoami
Aug 16 16:50:57 <DPThought> or `id`
Aug 16 16:50:58 <don-o> sudo su always makes me laugh
Aug 16 16:51:04 <jeddy3> hhf423, you need to launch a sudo shell, not just sudo
Aug 16 16:51:05 <hhf423> yes, I can cat the file
Aug 16 16:51:06 <DPThought> i use sudo bash :)
Aug 16 16:51:07 <robster> you want sudo sh -c "....."
Aug 16 16:51:16 <xkr47> hhf423, type "id -u"
Aug 16 16:51:23 <xkr47> to find out who you are :)
Aug 16 16:51:35 <xkr47> or id -u -n
Aug 16 16:51:38 <don-o> ScaredyCat: 'sudo -i' will get you a login shell
Aug 16 16:52:08 <ScaredyCat> force of habit
Aug 16 16:52:14 <hhf423> ah, sudo is not enough, but with a sudo bash it works
Aug 16 16:52:23 <tonyg> Damn. bug 256 seems to have bitten me - although oddly I had the GSM modem working earlier this afternoon!
Aug 16 16:52:36 <tonyg> cu -l /dev/ttySAC0 just hangs and never gives me any AT interface
Aug 16 16:52:42 <jeddy3> !ombug 256
Aug 16 16:52:43 <cdbot2> * * Bug 256, Status: RESOLVED (FIXED), Created: Unknown
Aug 16 16:52:44 <cdbot2> * * philipp.zabel(AT)gmail.com: GSM Modem doesn't seem to work on some devices
Aug 16 16:52:45 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=256
Aug 16 16:52:50 <xkr47> :O
Aug 16 16:52:56 <hhf423> yayy, I can do ping www.ccc.de from my neo
Aug 16 16:52:57 <tonyg> so it's not a per-device thing, it seems to be something else
Aug 16 16:53:02 <tonyg> i hope i haven't fried it somehow
Aug 16 16:53:03 <jeddy3> hhf423, sweet
Aug 16 16:53:15 <hhf423> thanks guys
Aug 16 16:53:28 <ScaredyCat> jeddy3: still getting that erorr? 
Aug 16 16:53:32 <ScaredyCat> errororor
Aug 16 16:54:01 <jeddy3> ScaredyCat, yup
Aug 16 16:54:48 * DPThought goes home
Aug 16 16:58:17 <tuukkah> root@fic-gta01:/$ cu -l /dev/ttySAC0
Aug 16 16:58:17 <tuukkah> cu: open (/dev/ttySAC0): Permission denied
Aug 16 16:58:30 <tuukkah> more of the weird kind
Aug 16 16:59:30 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[USB_Networking]] [[Talk:OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Duesseldorf]] [[Talk:MacOS_X]] [[User_talk:PTT]] [[Carriers/TMobile]] [[Talk:Neo1973]] [[P1_Owners]]
Aug 16 16:59:31 <ScaredyCat> jeddy3: while [ 1 ]; do make update; make openmoko-devel-image; done
Aug 16 17:00:04 <jeddy3> ScaredyCat, :D
Aug 16 17:00:47 <ScaredyCat> CM: ping
Aug 16 17:00:56 <CM> ScaredyCat: Pong :)
Aug 16 17:01:07 <ScaredyCat> did you mask uboot?
Aug 16 17:01:14 <CM> Mask?
Aug 16 17:01:28 <ScaredyCat> exclude it from your builld
Aug 16 17:01:31 <ScaredyCat> build
Aug 16 17:01:41 <CM> No, I'm on webkit now
Aug 16 17:01:52 <CM> 2308 of 3543
Aug 16 17:01:57 <hhf423> hmmm, if I call the phone, it does not ring
Aug 16 17:02:24 <tuukkah> hhf423, perhaps if you use another mixer state :-)
Aug 16 17:02:34 <ScaredyCat> 2442 = u-boot 
Aug 16 17:02:53 <CM> Ok, what was it to mask it?
Aug 16 17:03:02 <CM> BB something in the local.conf
Aug 16 17:03:21 <ScaredyCat> BB_MASK  ?
Aug 16 17:03:29 <tonyg> tuukkah, the permission denied might be if gsmd is running... /etc/init.d/gsmd stop
Aug 16 17:03:49 <ScaredyCat> BBMASK
Aug 16 17:04:08 <hhf423> tuukkah: ok, let me be more precise: does not ring and does not seem to get the call as I get the voicemail
Aug 16 17:05:02 <tuukkah> tonyg, no gsmd running and no users of /dev/ttySAC0 reported by lsof or fuser
Aug 16 17:05:08 <ScaredyCat> # Use the BBMASK below to instruct BitBake to _NOT_ consider some .bb files
Aug 16 17:05:08 <ScaredyCat> # This is a regulary expression, so be sure to get your parenthesis balanced.
Aug 16 17:05:08 <ScaredyCat> BBMASK = ""
Aug 16 17:05:33 <CM> ScaredyCat: I just put BBMASK="uboot"
Aug 16 17:05:42 <tuukkah> hhf423, ok :-(
Aug 16 17:05:43 <anrp> is uboot still broken ??
Aug 16 17:05:58 <hhf423> if the dialer does not seem to communicate with anything, how can I possibly fix this?
Aug 16 17:06:04 <ScaredyCat> CM: did libxml actually get built then>
Aug 16 17:06:05 <ScaredyCat> ?
Aug 16 17:06:39 <CM> Where can I see that?
Aug 16 17:07:48 <tuukkah> hhf423, do you have gsmd running?
Aug 16 17:07:59 <jgm> CM: you won't get a big 'build failed' message if it worked
Aug 16 17:08:03 <Stephmw> CM: where can you see how far along you are?
Aug 16 17:08:15 <hhf423> tuukkah: I just did /etc/init.d/gsmd stop / start just to make sure, so, yes
Aug 16 17:08:17 <jgm> (Although I haven't seen a patch for it yet in my compulsive updating of OE...)
Aug 16 17:08:25 <CM> Stephmw: It scrolls by, something like NOTE: Running task 2308 of 3543 (ID: 2248, /home/moko/openembedded/packages/webkit/webkit-gtk_svn.bb, do_qa_configure)
Aug 16 17:08:52 <Stephmw> CM: ah, 'k
Aug 16 17:10:25 <CM> c++ is surely a pain to compile... webkit takes forever
Aug 16 17:12:36 <Stephmw> weird, I don't get those Running task messages...
Aug 16 17:12:40 <hhf423> how does the dialer communicate with gsmd anyway?
Aug 16 17:13:19 <hhf423> does anyone know how I restart the top "menu" on OpenMoko if it has crashed?
Aug 16 17:13:57 <zecke> Stephmw: are you using trunk of bitbake?
Aug 16 17:14:02 <CM> Stephmw: I'm building 2007.2 with bitbake HEAD
Aug 16 17:14:06 <radiorental> hhf423, I couldnt get an answer on that.  Others are re-booting.
Aug 16 17:14:25 <Stephmw> zecke: I'm being ultra lazy and following http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile
Aug 16 17:15:05 <CM> Stephmw: So am I, but with the svn "alpha" version of the makefile
Aug 16 17:15:40 <CM> zecke: How long time does webkit-gtk normally take?
Aug 16 17:15:50 <thomasgruebler> hello. does anybody know the channel name of the german chatroom?
Aug 16 17:15:56 <emre_> hi folks, using the nslu2 master makefile when I make update I get the "mtn: error: merge failed due to unresolved conflicts." error, what should I do?
Aug 16 17:16:02 <Stephmw> CM: @pango atm
Aug 16 17:16:08 <SpeedEvil> #openmoko-de?
Aug 16 17:16:08 <CM> I mean to compile.. Feels like mine has been compiling for half an hour
Aug 16 17:16:12 <SpeedEvil> #openmoko-germany?
Aug 16 17:16:15 <zecke> CM: long
Aug 16 17:16:21 <CM> SpeedEvil: Genau ;)
Aug 16 17:16:36 <SpeedEvil> I remember it's not complex.
Aug 16 17:16:41 <thomasgruebler> SpeedEvil: no
Aug 16 17:16:53 <thomasgruebler> i already tried them
Aug 16 17:17:22 <CM> emre_: Look in the wiki
Aug 16 17:17:40 <SpeedEvil> #openmoko-de    15   OpenMoko/Neo1973 development            
Aug 16 17:19:07 <thomasgruebler> SpeedEvil: there is nobody!
Aug 16 17:19:08 <CM> emre_: mtn --db OE.mtn db migrate  might be it, or it's the merge thing, but that's in the openembedded.org wiki
Aug 16 17:19:13 <SpeedEvil> Odd.
Aug 16 17:19:37 <emre_> cm: let me try..
Aug 16 17:20:40 * CM make dinner && watch tv
Aug 16 17:22:36 <thomasgruebler> ok i try to explain my problem in english
Aug 16 17:23:10 <thomasgruebler> i want to run neo in qemu.
Aug 16 17:23:14 <thomasgruebler> ERROR: QEMU requires SDL or Cocoa for graphical output
Aug 16 17:24:14 <thomasgruebler> is one problem. what debian package shpould iinstall? there are a lot:http://rafb.net/p/oqLg1B66.html
Aug 16 17:25:08 <jeddy3> thomasgruebler, libsdl or maybe libsdl-dev
Aug 16 17:25:25 <emre_> cool, there's a tool called meld, the solution to the problem...
Aug 16 17:26:04 <thomasgruebler>  libsdl1.2-dev           but i don't think that the dev is enough for running it?
Aug 16 17:26:24 <jeddy3> thomasgruebler, yeah that might be right
Aug 16 17:26:30 <hhf423> yayyy!
Aug 16 17:26:46 <hhf423> first phone call from neo to home
Aug 16 17:26:52 <thomasgruebler> maybe all libsdl-*
Aug 16 17:26:54 <thomasgruebler> ?
Aug 16 17:26:55 <jeddy3> hhf423, grats :)
Aug 16 17:27:04 <jeddy3> thomasgruebler, no, that is not necessary
Aug 16 17:27:08 <hhf423> and then of course first phone call from neo to girlfriend :-)
Aug 16 17:27:23 <hhf423> and I could actually hear all!
Aug 16 17:27:26 <hhf423> hahaha
Aug 16 17:27:37 <hhf423> its the little things which count
Aug 16 17:27:38 <thomasgruebler> ok it also doesn't work because of some conflicts
Aug 16 17:27:43 <ScaredyCat> now we know you're telling porkies
Aug 16 17:27:55 <ScaredyCat> you said you had a girlfriend :P
Aug 16 17:28:03 <thomasgruebler> libsdl1.2-all
Aug 16 17:28:26 <jeddy3> hhf423, indeed :), my gf thinks i'm mad when i mention that i can finally call with my phone 
Aug 16 17:28:35 <hhf423> ScaredyCat: wive, actually
Aug 16 17:28:53 <jeddy3> ScaredyCat, :D
Aug 16 17:28:55 <hhf423> jeddy3, probably :-)
Aug 16 17:29:35 <jeddy3> s/thinks i'm/thought i was/
Aug 16 17:29:47 <thomasgruebler> so it works now. maybe you can help to eneable some features: http://rafb.net/p/II5v4914.html    there are a lot of "no". i think thats not very good
Aug 16 17:29:55 <jeddy3> s/mention/mentioned/
Aug 16 17:32:10 <thomasgruebler> can you helpme?
Aug 16 17:32:10 <tonyg> *phew* rebooting it enough (!) seems to have reset the modem into a working state
Aug 16 17:32:24 <tonyg> anyone know how to send DTMF via AT commands?
Aug 16 17:32:33 <tonyg> (AT+VTS=123 doesn't seem to work)
Aug 16 17:32:51 <ScaredyCat> you have to be in a call
Aug 16 17:32:56 <tonyg> yep, I am
Aug 16 17:33:02 <tonyg> ATA'd ok :)
Aug 16 17:33:03 <ScaredyCat> you can only sent one digit at a time
Aug 16 17:33:07 <tonyg> ah, that's it!
Aug 16 17:33:16 <tonyg> hee hee
Aug 16 17:33:18 <tonyg> works fine
Aug 16 17:33:51 <ScaredyCat> I have some reference docs on my site that might be useful 
Aug 16 17:34:23 <ScaredyCat> http://buildhost.automated.it/reference-docs/
Aug 16 17:34:46 <tonyg> ScaredyCat, I'd misread the GSM 07.07 spec - I neglected the bit where it specified a single digit only :)
Aug 16 17:35:08 <ScaredyCat> kind of important that bit ;)
Aug 16 17:35:13 <tonyg> I'm curious - with the current builds,  can the phone *answer* calls? or do you have to ATA yourself?
Aug 16 17:35:17 <tonyg> ScaredyCat, indeed ;)
Aug 16 17:35:54 <ScaredyCat> i'm currently roaming, so at 95p a millisecond I'm not in the mood to anser
Aug 16 17:36:01 <ScaredyCat> answer any calls :)
Aug 16 17:36:08 <tonyg> heh!
Aug 16 17:36:41 * tonyg gives up on this "make openmoko-devel-image", since it's thoroughly wedged in building xcalibrateext
Aug 16 17:36:47 <tonyg> "do_fetch" hasn't even finished
Aug 16 17:38:00 <CM> tonyg: Is that late or early in the build process?
Aug 16 17:38:07 <tonyg> CM, lateish?
Aug 16 17:39:12 <tonyg> resourceproto-X11R7.1, compositeproto-X11R7.1, then xcalibrateext
Aug 16 17:39:36 <tonyg> I'm guessing it's something to do with where it's getting patches from?? are they decentralised, or should I expect network failures to show up for all-packages-or-none-at-all?
Aug 16 17:40:11 * Stephmw watches kdrive compile
Aug 16 17:40:13 <CM> I guess all bitbake files have their own source URI, but I don't know. Who does?
Aug 16 17:41:35 <ScaredyCat> yes
Aug 16 17:41:40 <ScaredyCat> you can see th 
Aug 16 17:41:49 <ScaredyCat> e ones that don;t, it complains
Aug 16 17:42:19 <ScaredyCat> openembedded is farked again
Aug 16 17:46:16 <tonyg> ah, ok, that explains that then
Aug 16 17:46:18 <tonyg> damn.
Aug 16 17:46:29 <tonyg> i have a build of squeak smalltalk I want to keep working on... oh well
Aug 16 17:46:38 <ScaredyCat> grep -R "SRC_URI" /home/moko/OM2007.2/openembedded/packages/ | awk -F\" '{ print $2}'
Aug 16 17:47:28 <ScaredyCat> but there's some variable subsitution going on too...
Aug 16 17:48:34 <tonyg> '| sort -u' gives quite the long list
Aug 16 17:48:57 <tonyg> fortunately, running bitbake lets me build my package - i guess the prereqs are all already built! yay
Aug 16 17:49:19 <tonyg> so, now I have an .ipk - what next?
Aug 16 17:49:24 <tonyg> scp?
Aug 16 17:49:35 <ScaredyCat> scp it to the phone
Aug 16 17:49:37 <ScaredyCat> then
Aug 16 17:49:56 <Zitune> hello
Aug 16 17:49:56 <ScaredyCat> ipkg install myipkg.ipk
Aug 16 17:49:59 <tonyg> thanks
Aug 16 17:50:22 <Zitune> i m new on open moko and i'm trying to make work under Xoo
Aug 16 17:50:37 <Zitune> and it appears i'm missing icons 
Aug 16 17:50:38 <Zitune> Cannot load stock icon from theme : moko-call-answer
Aug 16 17:50:42 <Zitune> for exemple
Aug 16 17:51:00 <ScaredyCat> I always had that problem...
Aug 16 17:51:19 <Zitune> ha
Aug 16 17:51:47 <Zitune> in fact i don't find theme (myself with a find)
Aug 16 17:52:08 <Zitune> so : is there something doable to add it manualy ?
Aug 16 17:52:09 <aloril> Zitune: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
Aug 16 17:52:36 <Zitune> thanks
Aug 16 17:53:26 <Zitune> thx u very much 
Aug 16 17:55:18 <Zitune> what "This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once" means ???
Aug 16 17:55:23 <Zitune> that i was rude ?
Aug 16 17:55:25 <Zitune> i m sorry 
Aug 16 17:55:39 <Vegar> ooh
Aug 16 17:55:41 <Vegar> new mokoninja videos
Aug 16 17:55:51 <hhf423> Vegar: on which topic?
Aug 16 17:55:56 <thomasgruebler> is it ok that the neo needs about 15min or more to boot in qemu?
Aug 16 17:56:12 <Vegar> hhf423: The RSS Feed Reader
Aug 16 17:56:47 <tonyg> Zitune, it's automatic - there was no rudeness on your part :-)
Aug 16 17:56:49 <ScaredyCat> Zitune: no, it's a bot, an autoresponse .. since you are new..
Aug 16 17:56:57 <Zitune> ok
Aug 16 17:57:01 <ScaredyCat> you only ever get it once
Aug 16 17:57:13 * Zitune is a bit silly tonigth
Aug 16 17:57:20 <Zitune> ok 
Aug 16 17:57:22 <Zitune> thanks
Aug 16 17:57:30 <Zitune> i go back to my icons :)
Aug 16 17:57:41 <ScaredyCat_2> hello
Aug 16 17:57:53 * ScaredyCat_2 stabs da bot
Aug 16 18:02:05 <johan__> ls
Aug 16 18:02:47 <johan__> oops
Aug 16 18:02:57 <pH5> johan__: bin etc lib root tmp var home ..too late :)
Aug 16 18:03:22 <johan__> hehe - hi all
Aug 16 18:05:14 * tonyg uploads binutils to the phone
Aug 16 18:05:21 <tonyg> running ldd on a *phone*... erk
Aug 16 18:05:27 <woglinde> lol
Aug 16 18:05:41 <tonyg> this whole *project* gives me vertigo
Aug 16 18:05:50 <woglinde> why?
Aug 16 18:06:17 <tonyg> the hubris
Aug 16 18:06:23 * pH5 thinks binutils on the phone is totally sane
Aug 16 18:06:31 <woglinde> insane?
Aug 16 18:06:34 <tonyg> sane, but unimaginable 10y ago
Aug 16 18:06:45 <tonyg> imaginable, not realisable :)
Aug 16 18:07:09 <pH5> 10y ago my pc was slower than my phones are now.
Aug 16 18:07:21 <tonyg> pH5, me too. that's part of the vertigo
Aug 16 18:07:21 <pH5> (but used less energy than my laptop)
Aug 16 18:07:23 <tonyg> future shock...
Aug 16 18:07:49 <tonyg> which package is ldd in? it doesn't seem to be in binutils
Aug 16 18:08:31 <tonyg> one of the libc packages?
Aug 16 18:08:32 <woglinde> tonyg in ldd-bla.ipk
Aug 16 18:08:51 <woglinde> ldd is a libc thinky
Aug 16 18:09:03 <tonyg> thanks, got it
Aug 16 18:10:03 <tonyg> er. gives me no output when I run it :-(
Aug 16 18:10:14 <woglinde> hm?
Aug 16 18:10:44 <woglinde> try ldd /usr/lib/libglib.so
Aug 16 18:11:03 <tonyg> nothing :-(
Aug 16 18:11:07 <woglinde> hm
Aug 16 18:11:10 <woglinde> strace it
Aug 16 18:11:12 <woglinde> *g*
Aug 16 18:12:32 <tonyg> thanks, looking at strace now
Aug 16 18:14:24 <pH5> tonyg: ldd is a shell script
Aug 16 18:14:43 <tonyg> pH5, I just this second noticed that :-(
Aug 16 18:14:49 <tonyg> it doesn't work for libglib.so
Aug 16 18:14:50 <tonyg> either
Aug 16 18:14:56 <tonyg> strace is telling me:
Aug 16 18:15:07 <tonyg> write(2, "/usr/bin/ldd: ", 14)          = 14
Aug 16 18:15:07 <tonyg> write(2, "set: 121: ", 10)              = 10
Aug 16 18:15:07 <tonyg> write(2, "Illegal option -o pipefail", 26) = 26
Aug 16 18:15:07 <tonyg> write(2, "\n", 1)                       = 1
Aug 16 18:15:14 <tonyg> which I am guessing means ldd is written for bash
Aug 16 18:15:21 <woglinde> hm no
Aug 16 18:15:23 <woglinde> hm
Aug 16 18:15:28 <tonyg> ...or similar?
Aug 16 18:15:32 <woglinde> the ldd of uclibc works
Aug 16 18:15:37 <woglinde> with busybox
Aug 16 18:15:45 <tonyg> i installed ldd_2.5-r4_armv4t.ipk
Aug 16 18:16:07 <pH5> woglinde: make a diff and perhaps apply the patch to glibc?
Aug 16 18:16:17 <woglinde> tonyg I would sugest write bugreport
Aug 16 18:16:38 <woglinde> I think there is some option in busybox config missing
Aug 16 18:16:58 <woglinde> but I didnt look yet into the openmoko config for it
Aug 16 18:17:32 <woglinde> hm maybee try -x option for the shellscript
Aug 16 18:17:51 <woglinde> to see where it fails
Aug 16 18:18:35 <tonyg> the ldd i have is the gnu c library one
Aug 16 18:18:43 <tonyg> woglinde, did you mean "ldd -x ..." ?
Aug 16 18:19:15 <woglinde> tonyg no vi /usr/bin/ldd
Aug 16 18:19:21 <tonyg> ok
Aug 16 18:19:25 <woglinde> #!/bin/sh -x
Aug 16 18:19:46 <tonyg> "set -o pipefail" is the last output of that
Aug 16 18:19:50 <tonyg> so it's a bashism?...?
Aug 16 18:20:07 <woglinde> hm
Aug 16 18:21:24 <tonyg> is there a ulibc ldd package I could use instead maybe?
Aug 16 18:21:26 * tonyg looks.
Aug 16 18:22:12 <mellon> So is it just me, or are the openmoko mailing lists basically not functioning at this point?
Aug 16 18:23:20 <RedDog> mellon: i get duplicate mails ...
Aug 16 18:23:28 <mellon> I'm not getting any email at all!
Aug 16 18:24:01 <jeddy3> omg maybe RedDog is getting mellon's ones
Aug 16 18:24:07 <jeddy3> :)
Aug 16 18:24:07 <mellon> that must be it!
Aug 16 18:25:58 <hunz> hey there
Aug 16 18:26:13 <woglinde> hi hunz
Aug 16 18:26:16 <woglinde> :)
Aug 16 18:26:19 <hunz> hey woglinde! 8)
Aug 16 18:32:03 <hunz_> re
Aug 16 18:35:10 <tonyg> oh man! does the default libc let you dlopen()?
Aug 16 18:35:20 <tonyg> or is everything statically compiled?
Aug 16 18:35:23 <woglinde> why not?
Aug 16 18:35:29 <woglinde> glibc has it and uclibc too
Aug 16 18:35:39 <tonyg> you can configure either of those to forbid shared libs
Aug 16 18:35:52 <ScaredyCat> uclibc should, it's pretty much supposed to be a replacement
Aug 16 18:36:21 * anrp votes for uclibc
Aug 16 18:36:55 <ScaredyCat> ERROR: Nothing provides dependency toilet
Aug 16 18:37:29 <daMaestro> lol
Aug 16 18:37:30 <anrp> oh noes D:
Aug 16 18:38:10 <tonyg> no, it must be configured for shlib support - there are .so.* files in /lib :-)
Aug 16 18:39:05 * tonyg slaps forehead
Aug 16 18:39:12 <tonyg> /lib/ld-linux.so.2 --list /usr/bin/ls
Aug 16 18:39:21 <tonyg> I mean, /bin/ls
Aug 16 18:39:23 * ScaredyCat slaps tonyg's forehead too
Aug 16 18:39:31 * tonyg embarrassed grin
Aug 16 18:40:57 <ScaredyCat> I appear to have cooked enough rice for 60
Aug 16 18:41:03 <tonyg> ScaredyCat, can I have some?
Aug 16 18:41:18 <ScaredyCat> you can, so long as you can eat 5 portions
Aug 16 18:41:30 <ScaredyCat> s/portions/generous portions/
Aug 16 18:41:31 <apt> ScaredyCat meant: you can, so long as you can eat 5 generous portions
Aug 16 18:41:41 <tonyg> not 59 portions?
Aug 16 18:44:28 <ScaredyCat> no, they would be for me
Aug 16 18:44:39 <ScaredyCat> (the remaining ones)
Aug 16 18:44:55 <ScaredyCat> well, and my pet badger
Aug 16 18:45:07 <tonyg> ah, the 60 is a feature not a bug
Aug 16 18:45:17 <ScaredyCat> :)
Aug 16 18:45:36 <ScaredyCat> although the badger does tend to like mushroom mushroom
Aug 16 18:45:46 <tonyg> foo. how do I make bitbake leave behind the results of its unpacking-patching-compilation?
Aug 16 18:48:02 <tonyg> bitbake -c <something> <mypackage>
Aug 16 18:48:05 <tonyg> what's the something?
Aug 16 18:48:15 <BryceLeo> build?
Aug 16 18:48:17 <BryceLeo> rebuild?
Aug 16 18:48:33 <tonyg> i think build is the default
Aug 16 18:48:42 <tonyg> perhaps i'm looking in the wrong place for shrapnel
Aug 16 18:48:43 <BryceLeo> yes it is
Aug 16 18:48:56 <BryceLeo> perhaps the shrapnel is in your leg?
Aug 16 18:49:19 <ScaredyCat> cheese?
Aug 16 18:49:45 <tonyg> with "-c cheese", I get "ERROR: InvalidTask event exception, aborting"
Aug 16 18:50:03 <BryceLeo> well that makes sense
Aug 16 18:50:09 <ScaredyCat> well, my rice has turned into a bug...
Aug 16 18:50:10 <tonyg> indeed :)
Aug 16 18:50:15 <ScaredyCat> it's overflowing
Aug 16 18:50:23 <tonyg> ScaredyCat, have you been consuming the mushroom mushroom?
Aug 16 18:51:20 <tonyg> found it. i was looking in the wrong place. i am making many mistakes this afternoon. sigh
Aug 16 18:51:37 <ScaredyCat> no, no the badger, the badger... oooh it's a snake...
Aug 16 18:53:52 <ferric> is there a place to find what people are hacking on for the neo right now? with the new devices?
Aug 16 18:55:59 <hunz__> does anyone know the right alsa mixer bar to turn the handset output louder?
Aug 16 18:56:19 <woglinde> hunz hm you can try one of the profiles
Aug 16 18:56:28 <tonyg> ferric, if you find one, mark me as working on squeak smalltalk :-)
Aug 16 18:56:30 <woglinde> under /etc/alsa
Aug 16 18:56:47 <woglinde> /etc/alsa/gsmhandset.state
Aug 16 18:57:35 <hunz> woglinde: I did get a working profile
Aug 16 18:58:00 <hunz> but it's too silent
Aug 16 18:58:41 <hunz> now I'm searching for the right control
Aug 16 18:58:53 <woglinde> hm oh
Aug 16 18:58:58 <woglinde> try and error?
Aug 16 18:59:02 <woglinde> or are there 20?
Aug 16 18:59:10 <tuukkah> there's a toggle that doubles the volume
Aug 16 18:59:14 <hunz> there are more than 20 afair 8)
Aug 16 18:59:48 <tuukkah> "Amp Earpiece 6dB" perhaps?
Aug 16 18:59:50 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko2007.2]] [[MacOS_X]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Other_OSes]] [[Main_Page]] [[Carriers]]
Aug 16 18:59:57 <hunz> root@fic-gta01:~$ grep INTEGER gsmhandset.working.state | wc -l 28
Aug 16 18:59:59 <hunz> hehe
Aug 16 19:00:21 <hunz> i'm not using the earpiece
Aug 16 19:00:30 <roh> hey hunz
Aug 16 19:00:35 <hunz> hey roh! :)
Aug 16 19:00:44 <roh> havin fun?
Aug 16 19:00:55 <hunz> roh: yeah - already started writing some code
Aug 16 19:01:17 <tuukkah> hunz, "handset" vs. "earpiece" - what's the difference?
Aug 16 19:02:03 <hunz> tuukkah: hm I thought earpiece might be for the head- and not for the handset
Aug 16 19:03:15 <tuukkah> "earpiece" is the lm4857 amp's name for the mono speaker
Aug 16 19:03:46 <hunz> k!
Aug 16 19:03:54 <hunz> thnx
Aug 16 19:06:37 <tuukkah> naturally, amp left/right and amp mono also affect the result, as well as haed
Aug 16 19:06:44 <tuukkah> headphone and pcm etc.
Aug 16 19:07:24 <hunz> but I guess GSM voice data isn't played via pcm - what's the input device for the gsm voice?
Aug 16 19:08:11 <woglinde> hunz hm let me see on the wiki page
Aug 16 19:08:37 <hunz> ah I just found it myself %)
Aug 16 19:08:38 <SpeedEvil> audio
Aug 16 19:09:04 <SpeedEvil> Annoyingly in some ways.
Aug 16 19:09:22 <woglinde> hunz -> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem
Aug 16 19:09:31 <hunz> woglinde: yes I just found it
Aug 16 19:09:36 <woglinde> hunz okay
Aug 16 19:12:59 <xaid> I have a question regarding GTA02, I saw a comment on the wiki (I'm trying to get the link) that mentions USb 2.0 support in the commercial version of the Neo. Is that information mentioned anywhere? I can't find it beside in that one comment...
Aug 16 19:13:19 <xaid> is it safe to assume that it is false? :)
Aug 16 19:13:26 <SpeedEvil> USB1
Aug 16 19:13:52 <xaid> I found the link http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Neo1973
Aug 16 19:13:56 <SpeedEvil> Well - usb2 compatible.
Aug 16 19:13:58 <SpeedEvil> Ah
Aug 16 19:14:01 <xaid> alright, thats what I thought too. thanks
Aug 16 19:14:02 <roh> xaid the soc does not support usb2, so i can pretty shurely rule that out
Aug 16 19:14:06 <SpeedEvil> the talk links are generally not well policed.
Aug 16 19:14:38 <xaid> roh: thanks, thats what I thought too since the FAQ mentions that. I thought there was a typo somewhere :)
Aug 16 19:19:30 <SpeedEvil> I've updated the page
Aug 16 19:21:18 <xaid> thanks. I didn't know that the headphone jack is still stereo, thats good to know.
Aug 16 19:22:47 <Stephmw> CM: 5hrs total
Aug 16 19:23:40 <CM> Stephmw: Wow.. Mine is still compiling, and has been for about 11 hours
Aug 16 19:23:54 * CM needs a Core2
Aug 16 19:25:47 <hunz> btw. what's the range for the Signal Quality output of libgsmd-tool?
Aug 16 19:25:57 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: If you miss your black red stripped pullover, it's in Braunschweig. alphaone should have it.
Aug 16 19:26:15 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: You get it next time we meet. :)
Aug 16 19:30:43 <woglinde> stefan hehe lol
Aug 16 19:30:57 <woglinde> he thought he lost it to a woman
Aug 16 19:31:12 <Ghiottone> hello
Aug 16 19:31:19 <stefan_schmidt> woglinde: yeah, we fight it back from her
Aug 16 19:31:28 <woglinde> nice job
Aug 16 19:31:33 <stefan_schmidt> ;)
Aug 16 19:31:35 <woglinde> oedem than
Aug 16 19:31:41 <stefan_schmidt> hopefully
Aug 16 19:31:54 <CM> Stephmw: Mine finished now :-)
Aug 16 19:32:00 * stefan_schmidt still needs to figure out how to fit this all in his schedule
Aug 16 19:32:01 <ixs> woglinde: muahahaha. Thankfully a woman returned my windbreaker to me. Would have been a shame having lost it on the camp. :D
Aug 16 19:32:09 <ixs> woglinde: looks like everyone has the same problems...
Aug 16 19:32:27 <emre_> folks, when I tried to compile it gave me a compile error about an intel library download. in ixp4xx-npe_2.3.2.bb file there is url to download that library. I downloaded and put it in the downloads/ directory but still giving the same error..
Aug 16 19:32:32 <stefan_schmidt> ixs: Not everybody. I miss nothing from the camp :)
Aug 16 19:32:50 <woglinde> emre what?
Aug 16 19:32:57 <CM> emre_: Maybe a md5 mismatch?
Aug 16 19:33:05 <woglinde> emre I think you set up something wrong
Aug 16 19:33:15 <emre_> :) ok, I tried to compile 2007.2..
Aug 16 19:33:17 <woglinde> ixp4xx-npe should be need
Aug 16 19:33:29 <emre_> and it asked me to download a .zip file from intel's web site.
Aug 16 19:33:38 <ixs> stefan_schmidt: luckily the car keys appeared again. The poc had them. _THAT_ was the only thing which would have been a problem if lost.
Aug 16 19:33:42 <emre_> it seems that it has a different licence.
Aug 16 19:34:07 <emre_> so I've downloaded that file and put it in the downloads/ directory, as it said in that .bb file. but that didn't work..
Aug 16 19:34:07 <stefan_schmidt> ixs: phew, that was luck
Aug 16 19:34:37 <emre_> excerpt from that file: 
Aug 16 19:34:38 <emre_> # You need to download the IPL_ixp400NpeLibrary-2_3_2.zip file (without crypto) from:
Aug 16 19:34:38 <emre_> # http://www.intel.com/design/network/products/npfamily/ixp400_current.htm
Aug 16 19:34:38 <emre_> # and put it in your downloads directory so bitbake will find it.
Aug 16 19:34:38 <emre_> # Make sure you *read* and accept the license - it is not a standard one.
Aug 16 19:34:38 <woglinde> why the heck the neo needs something from ixp4xx
Aug 16 19:35:22 <ixs> stefan_schmidt: ack. Okay, we could have a spare set express delivered. Probably, at least. But I was rather glad when honk asked me if the keys at the poc were mine. We left them in the box with all the cables after laying about 500m telefone through the woods. (Golf car for teh WIN!)
Aug 16 19:35:43 <emre_> i compiled with the same configuration a couple days ago, that time it worked. but now it doesn't..
Aug 16 19:37:24 <stefan_schmidt> ixs: good
Aug 16 19:37:42 * stefan_schmidt heads to some work. cu guys later
Aug 16 19:37:46 <ixs> l8r
Aug 16 19:39:24 <jadams> :(
Aug 16 19:39:30 <jadams> oops, wrong chan
Aug 16 19:39:37 * juri_ drinks deep of unholy protocols.
Aug 16 19:42:16 <ljp> anyone knows whats up with order.cgi? all I get is a blank screen when trying to submit an order
Aug 16 19:48:05 <ckuethe> check your province/state
Aug 16 19:48:12 <ckuethe> try the 2-letter abbreviation
Aug 16 19:53:01 <ljp> international...
Aug 16 19:53:13 <ljp> no 2 letters for state
Aug 16 19:53:46 <roh> ljp where to?
Aug 16 19:54:24 <roh> white page usually means that the address had some problem in ups eyes... and yes the error handling needs to improve
Aug 16 19:57:52 <ljp> australia
Aug 16 19:58:23 <ljp> ordered one when it first was released, have it now, but need to order another
Aug 16 20:01:27 <woglinde> ljp 2? wow
Aug 16 20:01:50 <Ghiottone> I'm just playing monkey island I on the moko :)
Aug 16 20:01:52 <Ghiottone> that's fun
Aug 16 20:02:39 <ljp> woglinde: 5 actually
Aug 16 20:03:49 <woglinde> he whole .au office?
Aug 16 20:04:08 <ebel> I've been offline for a few weeks. When I get back, the moko was released, got a lot of catching up.
Aug 16 20:04:35 <ljp> no, just some handsets for testing and spares
Aug 16 20:05:18 <woglinde> ljp you remind me to write a bugreport for the greephone
Aug 16 20:05:39 <woglinde> there is some toruble with the pin checker when networks are not avlaible
Aug 16 20:11:50 <Ghiottone> what is the best way to keep up with the development? where should I get the most recent packages from?
Aug 16 20:13:00 <ljp> openembedded
Aug 16 20:14:57 <Ghiottone> any good guide on how to do it?
Aug 16 20:17:25 <ljp> are you looking for just a binary flash image?
Aug 16 20:17:46 * cjb_ie wants one in ternary ;-)
Aug 16 20:18:28 <Ghiottone> an image would be nice to have a look at the sw state
Aug 16 20:18:38 <Ghiottone> but I would like to build it myself
Aug 16 20:18:50 <Ghiottone> but I could not figure how to do it from the wiki
Aug 16 20:19:15 <woglinde> Ghiottone try openmokomakefile
Aug 16 20:19:16 <Ghiottone> I have manage to build what I think is a 2007.1 image
Aug 16 20:19:29 <Ghiottone> yeah I used it
Aug 16 20:19:44 <Ghiottone> but I think the sw it gets is old
Aug 16 20:31:27 <hhf423> re
Aug 16 20:36:34 <hhf423> if I want the phone to execute a command every time it boot, where do I add this?
Aug 16 20:36:48 <hhf423> in some init.d file I assume
Aug 16 20:38:20 <Magon> try init.d/local
Aug 16 20:39:53 <hhf423> should that file exist?
Aug 16 20:40:05 <Magon> yes
Aug 16 20:40:29 <Magon> but not shure on openmoko image
Aug 16 20:40:40 <hhf423> does not
Aug 16 20:40:45 <Magon> i dont have image here
Aug 16 20:40:47 <hhf423> also not on my unbuntu box
Aug 16 20:41:04 <Magon> isn't there something similar?
Aug 16 20:41:16 <Magon> or try /etc/rc.d/
Aug 16 20:41:33 <Ghiottone> try rc.local
Aug 16 20:42:30 <hhf423> no rc.local
Aug 16 20:42:43 <hhf423> no rc.d, only rc1.d etc
Aug 16 20:43:01 <Ghiottone> I have http://openmoko.home.org/fic-gta01/
Aug 16 20:43:07 <Ghiottone> ops sry
Aug 16 20:43:16 <Ghiottone> I have /etc/init.d/rc.local in my debian
Aug 16 20:44:21 <hhf423> hmmm, no here
Aug 16 20:47:21 <hhf423> there must be some bl**dy file which the openmoko always executes when it starts, no?
Aug 16 20:47:39 <Ghiottone> I would try with rc.local
Aug 16 20:48:03 <Ghiottone> the fact that it does not exist new does not mean it would not be executed if it existed
Aug 16 20:48:23 <ozarka> You just have to guess the right name.
Aug 16 20:48:29 <ozarka> How many could there be?
Aug 16 20:48:47 <mellon> You just need to create a file in /etc/init.d with the appropriate start and stop commands in it, and then link it into the appropriate rcN.d directory (s).
Aug 16 20:49:03 <mellon> There's a command to do the links in rcN.d - I can't remember what the name is.
Aug 16 20:49:04 * CM wonders if dfu-util really is 64-bit safe
Aug 16 20:49:24 <mellon> Dunno, but it worked on my 64-bit AMD machine.
Aug 16 20:49:35 <CM> mellon: Compiled it yourself?
Aug 16 20:49:40 <mellon> Yes.
Aug 16 20:49:46 <CM> Same here then.. Damn..
Aug 16 20:50:09 <CM> If I flash the kernel, my mtdblock1 gets overwritten too
Aug 16 20:50:17 <CM> And that destroys the boot menu
Aug 16 20:50:26 <mellon> Eep.
Aug 16 20:50:37 <mellon> You have no 32-bit machines to try?
Aug 16 20:50:46 <CM> It can be fixed, ScaredyCat figured it out
Aug 16 20:50:51 <mellon> Oh good.
Aug 16 20:50:55 <hhf423> maybe if I use the bootmisc.sh in /etc/init.d ?
Aug 16 20:50:56 <CM> But it's a real pain, and this time it didn't even boot..
Aug 16 20:51:09 <Ghiottone> hhf423, I think the program that creates the symlinks is update-rc.d
Aug 16 20:51:11 <CM> Or it boots, but always kernel panics.
Aug 16 20:51:22 * CM needs scp to work to fix the boot menu
Aug 16 20:51:51 <mellon> Isn't the boot menu part of uboot?
Aug 16 20:52:09 <CM> mellon: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bricked#Useful_information
Aug 16 20:53:29 <hhf423> I'll just try bootmisc.sh
Aug 16 20:53:42 <hhf423> I just need to phone to do a alsactl restore
Aug 16 20:53:53 <hhf423> easy enough I would guess
Aug 16 20:54:50 * CM gets past the kernel panic and cheers quietly
Aug 16 20:55:15 <hhf423> CM: one down!
Aug 16 20:56:02 <CM> I'm getting good at scp mtdblock1_b.bin phone: and then dd if=mtdblock1_b.bin of=/dev/mtdblock1
Aug 16 20:57:35 <hhf423> ok, that did not work
Aug 16 20:58:46 <CM> I've never managed to boot my Neo except by chosing Factory reset
Aug 16 20:59:07 <CM> Always always "Wrong magic number" on my kernels.. Strange
Aug 16 20:59:30 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Canberra]] [[User:Amutiso]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Calgary]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Auckland]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Sacramento]] [[MacOS_X]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_San_Francisco]] [[User:Hns]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Bratislava]] and other changes
Aug 16 20:59:30 <stefan_schmidt> CM: You flashed the zImage instead of the uImage?
Aug 16 20:59:44 <CM> stefan_schmidt: No, only uImage
Aug 16 20:59:52 <stefan_schmidt> CM: u-boot expects a kernel with a special header
Aug 16 21:00:10 <CM> And how do I get that header?
Aug 16 21:00:12 <stefan_schmidt> CM: hmm, that'S strange. I only have seen this message for zImage flashs
Aug 16 21:00:22 <CM> I'm running uImage-2.6.21.5-r3-fic-gta01.bin
Aug 16 21:00:26 <stefan_schmidt> CM: It's autogenrated
Aug 16 21:00:32 <stefan_schmidt> Already inside uImage
Aug 16 21:00:35 <Kensan> hhf423: look at the alsa-package in openembedded (http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/packages/alsa/alsa-state/alsa-state)
Aug 16 21:00:40 <CM> Hmm...
Aug 16 21:00:43 <stefan_schmidt> hmm, this one works fine here
Aug 16 21:00:52 <CM> I've also noted that it's the kernel that overwrites my mtd1 block
Aug 16 21:01:45 <stefan_schmidt> CM: What's your dfu commandline for flashing the kernel?
Aug 16 21:01:58 <CM> dfu-util -a 3 -R -D ./uImage-2.6.21.5-r3-fic-gta01.bin
Aug 16 21:01:59 <hhf423> Kensan: err, for what?
Aug 16 21:02:37 <Kensan> hhf423: the link is the script you can put in /etc/init.d/
Aug 16 21:02:49 <CM> stefan_schmidt: I'm trying to figure this out.. ScaredyCat had a similar problem, documented here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bricked
Aug 16 21:02:58 <stefan_schmidt> CM: hmm, I always use kernel instead of 3. Makes it easier to remind. But it should also work with 3
Aug 16 21:03:30 <Kensan> hhf423: there's also appropriate state-files for the Neo
Aug 16 21:04:12 <hhf423> Kensan: the handset state file works for me (not very well, but it works for now), I just need alsactl to execute during boot, nothing else
Aug 16 21:04:35 <CM> stefan_schmidt: I can try flashing with kernel also..
Aug 16 21:04:46 <CM> But every time I flash, I bork mtd1 and have to overwrite it
Aug 16 21:04:47 <hhf423> this is so far from rocket science, its not even funny
Aug 16 21:04:55 <stefan_schmidt> CM: You can try, but it should make no difference
Aug 16 21:05:51 <CM> stefan_schmidt: What about 0?
Aug 16 21:05:52 <Kensan> hhf423: *heh* then choose any arbitrary script that gets executed on boot-up and put it there ;)
Aug 16 21:06:15 <stefan_schmidt> CM: =?
Aug 16 21:06:17 <CM> stefan_schmidt: I'm guessing that's what "Factory rest" does?
Aug 16 21:06:17 <stefan_schmidt> 0?
Aug 16 21:06:26 <hhf423> Kensan: tell me one script that actually gets exectued... bootmisc.sh ?
Aug 16 21:06:32 <CM> stefan_schmidt: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util
Aug 16 21:06:36 <CM>  Copying a kernel into RAM
Aug 16 21:06:45 <stefan_schmidt> ah, you mean -a 0
Aug 16 21:06:50 <CM> Yes
Aug 16 21:07:19 <CM> Becuse it boots when I chose Factory reset, because then I don't get the bad magic number
Aug 16 21:07:30 <stefan_schmidt> CM: Never used upload to ram
Aug 16 21:07:44 <stefan_schmidt> CM: Do you have a debugboard?
Aug 16 21:07:52 <CM> No, but now I wish I had
Aug 16 21:08:00 <stefan_schmidt> hmm
Aug 16 21:08:03 <CM> And I'm in Sweden, don't know anyone here with one
Aug 16 21:08:17 <stefan_schmidt> oh, sweden is hard. :)
Aug 16 21:08:37 <stefan_schmidt> CM: As long as u-boot works you should not need it.
Aug 16 21:08:56 <CM> stefan_schmidt: I know, and I did not want to touch u-boot
Aug 16 21:09:07 <CM> But I have once, on mickeyl's suggestion
Aug 16 21:09:25 <CM> Is it possible to see what u-boot version I have?
Aug 16 21:09:46 <stefan_schmidt> CM: It's displayed if you enter the boot menu. One of the first lines
Aug 16 21:09:59 <CM> Ok, I'll look next time :-)
Aug 16 21:10:20 <CM> Thanks, think I ned to get some sleep :)
Aug 16 21:11:06 <quicksand> CM: you're running a 64-bit distro?
Aug 16 21:12:28 <quicksand> FWIW, I've had no problems with dfu-util on Ubuntu 7.04 64-bit, compiled on my Core2Duo
Aug 16 21:12:57 <stefan_schmidt> CM: What does your bootmenu show? Only boot and factory reset?
Aug 16 21:13:23 <stefan_schmidt> CM: If yes you should flash a new env for u-boot
Aug 16 21:18:00 <stefan_schmidt> CM: Try dfu-util -a u-boot_env -R -D uboot.env with http://people.openmoko.org/stefan/uboot.env
Aug 16 21:18:49 <Kensan> hhf423: any file in /etc/rcS.d/
Aug 16 21:53:30 <speerschleuder> hello
Aug 16 22:00:33 <mdt> someone around using libgsm also? i have some problems with it...
Aug 16 22:05:50 <Aztlek> bye
Aug 16 22:30:33 <troy_> Hello.... any body able to send the gllin bin from the p0 phones my way?
Aug 16 22:30:34 <aloril> troy_: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
Aug 16 22:30:45 <meus> will the openmoko framework have python wrappers or is it recommend to develop applications for openmoko in c?
Aug 16 22:47:11 <happycube> oh my
Aug 16 22:49:38 <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
Aug 16 22:50:06 <Vegar> meus: a python API is being developed
Aug 16 22:50:19 <meus> nice :)
Aug 16 22:51:06 <brandini> d00d!
Aug 16 22:52:52 <brandini> where are the hardware specs for this guy?
Aug 16 22:53:34 <ckuethe> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page
Aug 16 22:53:52 <brandini> ckuethe!
Aug 16 22:54:00 <happycube> (the oh my was re the global message about rms...)
Aug 16 22:54:14 <ckuethe> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware
Aug 16 22:55:12 <brandini> ckuethe: yup, found it thanks
Aug 16 22:57:54 <Psi> is there a proper openmoko forum yet?
Aug 16 22:58:07 <Psi> the mailing list is getting to large to read it all :(
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Aug 16 23:03:31 <Ghiottone> I have executed a make clobber and interrupted immediately when I saw a rm command
Aug 16 23:03:42 <Ghiottone> what should I do to restore my tree?
Aug 16 23:03:56 <Ghiottone> now it seems to compile for target i686 only
Aug 16 23:04:38 <ixs> any suggestion which version will support voice calls earlier? 2007 or 2007.2
Aug 16 23:04:48 <linux_galore> morning moko nuts
Aug 16 23:06:03 <fgau> ixs: 2007
Aug 16 23:06:52 <jseghers> hi folks
Aug 16 23:07:21 <jseghers> has anyone had experience getting the Debug board working who could answer a couple of questions?
Aug 16 23:10:50 <ixs> fgau: thx. gonna work on that one then.
Aug 16 23:11:41 <Ghiottone> nite all
Aug 16 23:12:09 <stefan_schmidt> fgau, ixs: No. 2007.1 is dead.
Aug 16 23:12:31 <stefan_schmidt> All work is going in 2007.2 don't waste time on the old one.
Aug 16 23:13:18 <fgau> stefan_schmidt: wget http://svn-nslu2-linux.org/svnroot/mokomakefile/branches/OM-2007.2/Makefile 
Aug 16 23:13:39 <fgau> this is for OM1 & OM2
Aug 16 23:13:56 <fgau> you are right, OM1 is dead
Aug 16 23:13:58 <stefan_schmidt> fgau: So what?
Aug 16 23:14:52 <fgau> but no official statement from the core developers
Aug 16 23:15:14 <ixs> stefan_schmidt: okay. belay that then, .2 is it.
Aug 16 23:15:51 <stefan_schmidt> fgau: hu? mickey|out stated it already and I say the same.
Aug 16 23:15:58 <ixs> fgau: s/-/\./ for your url btw.
Aug 16 23:17:38 <fgau> okay, let us move all to OM2
Aug 16 23:20:02 <cesarb> Waiting until Monday will look like an eternity
Aug 16 23:20:14 <jseghers> has anyone had experience getting the Debug board working who could answer a couple of questions?
Aug 16 23:20:45 <stefan_schmidt> jseghers: Perhaps just ask the question? :)
Aug 16 23:21:30 <jseghers> I'm getting the error "No valid jtag interface found (ft2232)"
Aug 16 23:21:56 <jseghers> I built  and installed libftdi
Aug 16 23:23:48 <stefan_schmidt> jseghers: Tried the prebuild openocd to test with a known working version?
Aug 16 23:24:08 <jseghers> I am using the prebuilt openocd
Aug 16 23:24:34 <jseghers> I can't find a prebuilt libftdi > 0.7
Aug 16 23:24:37 <stefan_schmidt> jseghers: That should have the lib statically linked IIRC
Aug 16 23:24:43 <jseghers> ah
Aug 16 23:25:20 <BlackBsd> does anyone use gentoo?
Aug 16 23:25:26 <BlackBsd> im wondering how im going to compile qemu on this platform
Aug 16 23:25:36 <BlackBsd> i guess i need gcc 3x
Aug 16 23:25:52 <jseghers> Is there some other USB driver that I need to run?  I do see the device 1457:5118 in lsusb...
Aug 16 23:26:19 <stefan_schmidt> jseghers: It's a long time since I used it last
Aug 16 23:26:19 <BlackBsd> when you do a dmesg what driver attaches to the usb?
Aug 16 23:26:36 <stefan_schmidt> jseghers: You follow an introduction in the wiki?
Aug 16 23:26:55 <jseghers> stefan: yes, I did
Aug 16 23:27:32 <stefan_schmidt> jseghers: HAve a link? I need to refresh my mind before I can answer some questions around it
Aug 16 23:27:45 <jseghers> stefan: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenOCD 
Aug 16 23:27:51 <stefan_schmidt> BlackBsd: I'm not on gentoo, but why should it not work?
Aug 16 23:28:00 * stefan_schmidt reads
Aug 16 23:28:00 <jseghers> stefan: I'm running Ubuntu Feisty (7.04)
Aug 16 23:28:43 <stefan_schmidt> jseghers: ah, you used the deb package?
Aug 16 23:29:21 <BlackBsd> sorry, gentoo and the usb thing have nothing in common, i was wondering how im going to get qemu to compile
Aug 16 23:29:37 <jseghers> stefan: yes
Aug 16 23:29:58 <stefan_schmidt> BlackBsd: yeah, I read that. Why should it not work?
Aug 16 23:30:17 <stefan_schmidt> jseghers: That one is of course not statically linked.
Aug 16 23:30:37 <stefan_schmidt> jseghers: There is another one in the devirginator. Let me dig it out
Aug 16 23:30:47 * jseghers waits
Aug 16 23:32:36 <stefan_schmidt> jseghers: Ah, it gets build during the openmoko-devel-image run.
Aug 16 23:32:51 <jseghers> Then I should have it...
Aug 16 23:32:51 <stefan_schmidt> jseghers: Here is a prebuild version: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/openocd
Aug 16 23:33:04 <stefan_schmidt> jseghers: Good, better use yours directly.
Aug 16 23:35:33 <drath> jseghers: does it print a list of interfaces it believes to have built-in?
Aug 16 23:35:57 <stefan_schmidt> ah, openocd master himself ;)
Aug 16 23:36:03 <stefan_schmidt> drath: How are you?
Aug 16 23:36:50 <jseghers> drath: no, it wasn't.... however, i think I just got the version built in the tree to connect
Aug 16 23:36:57 <stefan_schmidt> ~lart windowsa code ported to linux and break on eabi
Aug 16 23:36:57 * apt blames windowsa code ported to linux and break on eabi for all the evil in the world
Aug 16 23:37:22 <jseghers> drath: once I ran it with sudo, that is :)
Aug 16 23:38:00 <drath> jseghers: it needs permissions for the files under usbfs
Aug 16 23:38:10 <drath> jseghers: did you install the udev rule?
Aug 16 23:38:35 <jseghers> drath: probably not.  What is the udev rule? 
Aug 16 23:38:46 <drath> jseghers: it's in the wiki
Aug 16 23:39:25 <BlackBsd> well because the gentoo uses gcc 4x
Aug 16 23:39:47 <BlackBsd> i can read up on how to slot the 3x though
Aug 16 23:39:55 <drath> jseghers: http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Neo1973_Debug_Board_v2#udev_rule
Aug 16 23:40:01 <drath> stefan_schmidt: i'm fine, thanks
Aug 16 23:40:07 <BlackBsd> udev rule tells udev daemon how to handle certain devices.
Aug 16 23:40:16 <BlackBsd> such as giving them predefined names
Aug 16 23:40:33 <drath> stefan_schmidt: a bit busy lately with my master's thesis... there's no code to be written anymore, only text, and that's kind of boring
Aug 16 23:40:38 <ixs> rwhitby: you wanted some alpha testers for your mokomakefile:
Aug 16 23:40:47 <ixs> ERROR: '/home/moko/openembedded/packages/shasum/shasum-native.bb' failed
Aug 16 23:40:48 <ixs> /bin/sh: line 1:  4532 Segmentation fault      bitbake openmoko-devel-image
Aug 16 23:40:48 <ixs> make: *** [openmoko-devel-image] Error 139
Aug 16 23:40:55 <BlackBsd> such as my printer is alsways /dev/da0 always, reguardless on the order i plug the device in
Aug 16 23:40:56 <jseghers> OK... I thought there was probably a driver i was missing...
Aug 16 23:40:57 <stefan_schmidt> BlackBsd: That's a pretty common question for quemu. Google should help you.
Aug 16 23:41:06 * jseghers installing more stuff.
Aug 16 23:41:19 <ixs> rwhitby: more at http://pastebin.ca/660418
Aug 16 23:42:23 <stefan_schmidt> drath: I can fully understand this. During writing papers or slides I often play around with the latex code just to do some more hacking and less text writing. :)
Aug 16 23:58:57 <jseghers> drath: looks like I've got it running now.  
Aug 17 00:05:24 <jaebird> ERROR: Task 3522 (/home/moko/openembedded/packages/libxml/libxml2-native_2.6.29.bb, do_compile) failed
Aug 17 00:06:35 <jaebird> | In file included from libxml.c:27:
Aug 17 00:06:36 <jaebird> | libxml_wrap.h:89: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before 'xmlCatalogPtr'
Aug 17 00:06:36 <jaebird> | libxml_wrap.h:225: error: expected ')' before 'obj'
Aug 17 00:06:45 <jseghers> The Debug board page states that it should create a /dev/ttyUSBx for the serial console.  Even though I am now able to connect with openocd, this serial console connection doesn't seem to be created.
Aug 17 00:57:27 <brandini> any talk of wifi being added?
Aug 17 00:58:07 <rwhitby> wifi?
Aug 17 00:58:08 <aloril> Currently sold Neo1973 GTA01B_v04 (P1) doesn't have WiFi, GTA02 (P2) which is scheduled for October will have WiFi with free (libre) drivers (Atheros AR6K): http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F
Aug 17 00:58:34 <brandini> thanks!
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Aug 17 01:00:14 <cesarb> ~xlcd
Aug 17 01:00:18 <cesarb> ~xkcd
Aug 17 01:00:18 <apt> extra, extra, read all about it, xkcd is http://xkcd.com/281/
Aug 17 01:00:29 <cesarb> *reloads* still in Miammi
Aug 17 01:00:34 <cesarb> s/Miammi/Miami/
Aug 17 01:00:36 <apt> cesarb meant: *reloads* still in Miami
Aug 17 01:01:51 <brandini> refresh makes it go faster
Aug 17 01:01:53 <brandini> duh
Aug 17 01:29:28 <rwhitby> morning
Aug 17 01:36:25 <ljp> rwitby: I didn't realize you were in australia
Aug 17 01:51:21 <juri_> my neo is working its way across germany. difficulty: i'm in the central US.
Aug 17 01:52:33 <Tm_T> hi kids
Aug 17 01:53:46 <jaebird> morning rwhitby
Aug 17 01:54:06 <rwhitby> ljp: yep, Adelaide
Aug 17 01:54:07 <jaebird> juri_: nice :(
Aug 17 01:54:27 <jaebird> rwhitby: did you see my error in the logs?
Aug 17 01:55:59 <rwhitby> jaebird: yep, unfortunately I only have the spare time to fix mokomakefile errors, not all the OE build errors.  You should look in the OE bugzilla to see if it's reported, and report it if not (or ask in #oe)
Aug 17 01:56:49 <jaebird> yeah, i saw the python stuff go in...just wondered if you saw it already is all
Aug 17 01:56:51 <rwhitby> ljp: keep a position open for me up there in Qld for when I want to move back from SA ;-)
Aug 17 01:57:15 <ckuethe> SpeedEvil: http://www.ion.org/search/view_abstract.cfm?jp=j&idno=2439
Aug 17 01:58:01 <SpeedEvil> Woot.
Aug 17 01:59:40 <Writchie> SpeedEvil: do you have the paper
Aug 17 01:59:55 <SpeedEvil> No.
Aug 17 02:00:10 <SpeedEvil> Just the abstract, which looks interesting.
Aug 17 02:00:16 <Writchie> indeed
Aug 17 02:00:34 <Writchie> decimeter without L2 would be quite nice
Aug 17 02:01:20 <ckuethe> it just arrived in my copy of the journal
Aug 17 02:01:21 <SpeedEvil> I can't think off-hand of applications that would actually make use of it.
Aug 17 02:01:51 <SpeedEvil> decimeter - rather than say a meter that is.
Aug 17 02:02:11 <Writchie> gets you to a desk
Aug 17 02:02:24 <Writchie> or even a chair in the room
Aug 17 02:02:25 <ckuethe> well, for all of you wanting to use your gps as a car logger
Aug 17 02:02:27 <SpeedEvil> ckuethe: can you precis? How's the iono model done?
Aug 17 02:02:38 <SpeedEvil> car logger - +-1m isn't an issue though.
Aug 17 02:02:43 <SpeedEvil> That puts you in lane.
Aug 17 02:03:04 <SpeedEvil> 20cm would only be nice if you want autodrive or something :)
Aug 17 02:03:45 <SpeedEvil> Though even less than that could be nice - for driving through known obstacles - gates, for example.
Aug 17 02:04:27 <SpeedEvil> And 20cm indoors is probably less likely.
Aug 17 02:04:38 <Writchie> abstract didn't mention how dynamic
Aug 17 02:05:47 <ckuethe> vehicle dynamics
Aug 17 02:06:04 <Writchie> as in kinetic mapping vs. survey mapping
Aug 17 02:06:37 <ckuethe> their filter can cope with bootstrapping itself from unknown dynamic states, as opposed to other filters which require some assistance regarding dynamics
Aug 17 02:07:00 <ckuethe> their test system was a garmin gps12xl
Aug 17 02:07:25 <ljp> rwhitby: no worries
Aug 17 02:07:56 <rwhitby> ljp: I grew up in Qld, and went to UQ.  Folks are still on the Gold Coast.
Aug 17 02:11:15 <ljp> ahh.. well.. I am from .. umm... way south canada
Aug 17 02:12:34 <ckuethe> they were driving around for about 2hrs for a test run
Aug 17 02:14:21 <ckuethe> i guess i can photograph the article for ha
Aug 17 02:14:22 <ckuethe> ya
Aug 17 02:14:40 <SpeedEvil> Nice.
Aug 17 02:15:41 <Writchie> for education fair use
Aug 17 02:15:51 <Writchie> s/education/educational/
Aug 17 02:15:51 <apt> Writchie meant: for educational fair use
Aug 17 02:16:49 <ckuethe> i'm too much of a cheap bastard to waste one of my download credits
Aug 17 02:17:25 <SpeedEvil> Once we get the GPS mostly decoded, we need to mail the authors :)
Aug 17 02:18:32 <ckuethe> yep
Aug 17 02:18:43 <sagacis> morning
Aug 17 02:26:56 <sagacis> jaebird, Speedevil posted something about the build error earlier
Aug 17 02:27:04 <sagacis> I'm trying to figure it out
Aug 17 02:27:27 <sagacis> At 14:51:33
Aug 17 02:29:07 <jaebird> ok...
Aug 17 02:40:18 <SpeedEvil> ckuethe: Hmm http://gauss.gge.unb.ca/papers.pdf/iongpsgnss2003.beran.pdf interesting
Aug 17 02:41:57 <SpeedEvil> http://gge.unb.ca/Personnel/Langley/Langley.html too
Aug 17 02:43:29 <sagacis> SpeedEvil: You said to move the libxml2-native-2.6.29.bb file to make the build work?
Aug 17 02:50:29 <SpeedEvil> err - I don't think I did.
Aug 17 02:53:38 <sagacis> SpeedEvil: Sorry.  I confused you with ScaredyCat from earlier today.
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