**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 18 02:59:56 2007 Aug 18 03:00:52 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Sydney]] [[User:Brettb]] Aug 18 03:03:21 What's the best way to try to register the phone? Aug 18 03:03:31 with libgsmd-tool? Aug 18 03:12:40 gavin8or: that's how I've been doing it Aug 18 03:12:57 I use the -m shell option Aug 18 03:15:17 anybody played with scummvm yet? my mouse pointer is way off in the game and it makes it difficult to do anything Aug 18 03:53:41 Morning anyone? Aug 18 03:55:31 morning sagacis Aug 18 03:56:09 evening here ;-) Aug 18 03:56:17 but anywho, moin Aug 18 03:57:46 midnight _~ Aug 18 03:58:39 Well, nearly midnight here, but morning nonetheless Aug 18 03:58:45 Any ideas why I'm getting EVENT: Netreg registration denied with libgsm-tool? Aug 18 03:58:46 I built a new image today Aug 18 03:58:50 flashing now. Aug 18 03:59:07 gavin8or: Is your simcard registered with the provider? Aug 18 03:59:21 s/registered/activated/ Aug 18 03:59:21 sagacis meant: gavin8or: Is your simcard activated with the provider? Aug 18 03:59:22 Pretty sure it worked with the free phone they gave me Aug 18 03:59:27 ugt? Aug 18 03:59:29 Is it a 3G card? Aug 18 03:59:43 * sagacis blinks at jaebird with a puzzled expression Aug 18 03:59:44 No Aug 18 03:59:49 ~ugt Aug 18 03:59:50 well, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Aug 18 03:59:57 Oh, thanks for the clarity Aug 18 04:00:09 well...i'm off to bed now :) Aug 18 04:00:14 Just a regular SIM card I got from CellOne for the prepaid deal Aug 18 04:00:34 i had to re-solder my mouse, after pully the cord out! Aug 18 04:00:47 jaebird, you should buy a new computer Aug 18 04:00:51 there's a simpler solution to that that involves a blowtorch Aug 18 04:00:57 :) Aug 18 04:01:14 but i like my mouse Aug 18 04:01:22 it is paid for! Aug 18 04:01:35 terminal doesn't need a mouse! Aug 18 04:01:45 Haha what's a mouse? Aug 18 04:01:52 neo doesn't have a mouse! Aug 18 04:01:59 *alt tab alt tab :) Aug 18 04:02:56 What's the wiki page for sim cards supported? Aug 18 04:03:18 sagacis: joking? Aug 18 04:03:37 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT Aug 18 04:04:15 night all Aug 18 04:04:53 Hmm for some reason I have to turn the gsm device off and then on again while cu is running in order to see the AT-Command Interpreter ready Aug 18 04:05:33 gavin8or: I've been having problems running cu with the modem in the latest builds Aug 18 04:05:39 I just updated to see if it's any better Aug 18 04:06:04 ahh ok Aug 18 04:08:03 Hey, sound is back today Aug 18 04:09:11 Hey, my gsm icon works! Aug 18 04:09:16 I wonder if I can make a call... Aug 18 04:09:21 don't push your luck D: Aug 18 04:11:32 That page about AT&T doesn't apply to current CellOne cards yet does it? Aug 18 04:16:13 I wonder who survived Aug 18 04:16:20 netburst Aug 18 04:16:20 HAuahau Aug 18 04:17:40 haha woah Aug 18 04:19:52 AT commands are AWESOME Aug 18 04:20:24 Got it? Aug 18 04:21:07 I'm reading the CellOne info off of the card Aug 18 04:21:12 Like the phone number and stuff :) Aug 18 04:21:15 AT+WS46=? Aug 18 04:21:15 +WS46: (12) Aug 18 04:21:22 What does that do exactly? Aug 18 04:22:19 AT+=? is a query Aug 18 04:22:34 asking the modem "what can i set to" Aug 18 04:22:59 AT+? is asking what it currently is Aug 18 04:23:13 AT+=... sets Aug 18 04:23:58 Ok so Aug 18 04:24:01 AT+CREG=? Aug 18 04:24:01 +CREG: (0-2) Aug 18 04:24:10 Means CREG can be a number 0-2? Aug 18 04:24:16 yes Aug 18 04:24:27 and Aug 18 04:24:28 AT+CREG? Aug 18 04:24:28 +CREG: 0,3 Aug 18 04:24:32 Means it's 0? Aug 18 04:24:37 er.. Aug 18 04:24:37 Which means I'm not registered? Aug 18 04:24:48 that i'm not 100% sure of Aug 18 04:25:03 don't know numeric meanings -> look at ts07.05 or ts07.10 Aug 18 04:25:38 s/07.10/07.07/ Aug 18 04:25:38 anrp meant: don't know numeric meanings -> look at ts07.05 or ts07.07 Aug 18 04:25:57 What is ts07.05? Aug 18 04:26:07 a standard Aug 18 04:27:00 Ok Aug 18 04:27:13 Any idea why AT+COPS=? is giving me error? Aug 18 04:27:42 I can read the card just fine, it even told me my phone number (same as what the nice lady said!) Aug 18 04:27:53 does it work in another phone? Aug 18 04:27:57 I should have good signal Aug 18 04:28:04 Yes it does work in another phone Aug 18 04:28:50 mm Aug 18 04:29:27 Right now COPS: 0 Aug 18 04:29:39 And it doesn't even hesitate to give the error Aug 18 04:29:50 AT+CREG=1 Aug 18 04:29:51 ? Aug 18 04:32:56 Ok, I submitted a handset.state patch on bug 681 Aug 18 04:33:57 AT+CREG=1 worked Aug 18 04:34:25 It says AT+CREG: 1,3 now Aug 18 04:34:39 shouldn't gsmd be doing this? ~_~ Aug 18 04:35:33 It failed Aug 18 04:35:38 So I'm doing it now haha Aug 18 04:38:04 anybody have any luck with a BT headset? Aug 18 04:39:01 Oh libgsmd-tool shell worked this time! Aug 18 04:39:11 At least the Register command didn't say it failed Aug 18 04:39:15 It didn't say it worked Aug 18 04:39:25 And now it says Aug 18 04:39:43 EVENT: Outgoing Call Progress: UNKNOWN Aug 18 04:39:43 EVENT: Outgoing Call Progress: REJECT Aug 18 04:40:35 Your sim card seems to be being rejected like it's unregistered Aug 18 04:41:02 so should the shell return something saying it's registered? Aug 18 04:41:11 I just says Aug 18 04:41:27 R Aug 18 04:41:27 # Register Aug 18 04:42:54 so um... don't take the battery out with the usb cable still plugged in... Aug 18 04:43:01 that was scary Aug 18 04:43:06 yeah Aug 18 04:43:10 it makes a freaky noise Aug 18 04:43:14 for about 20 sec or so Aug 18 04:43:18 sometimes Aug 18 04:43:27 omg, I thought I killed it Aug 18 04:43:31 probably the regulators going nuts Aug 18 04:43:40 do you think it damages the unit? Aug 18 04:43:41 Hmm that didn't happen to me Aug 18 04:43:51 probably not immediately Aug 18 04:43:54 don't keep doing it though Aug 18 04:43:57 It just lost power (which is bad) Aug 18 04:43:59 it's not supposed to do that D: Aug 18 04:44:02 I certainly won't Aug 18 04:44:17 RSTR=`NO CARRIER' does that mean I'm not registered? Aug 18 04:44:21 yeah, I hope that's fixed for the consumer version Aug 18 04:44:28 no carrier is the response from a failed call Aug 18 04:44:32 555-1212 = data call Aug 18 04:44:39 555-1212; = voice call Aug 18 04:44:55 spelling and punctuation matters... Aug 18 04:45:23 D7153246846; Aug 18 04:45:23 # Dial 7153246846; Aug 18 04:45:23 RSTR=`ERROR' Aug 18 04:45:37 I think I've got the spelling and punctuation right :) Aug 18 04:46:14 and what happens when you use the shell Aug 18 04:46:24 ATD7153246846; Aug 18 04:47:12 you mean the libgsmd-tool -m shell ? that one? Aug 18 04:47:16 i'd bet its the same Aug 18 04:47:21 atcmd Aug 18 04:47:41 atcmd? Aug 18 04:48:08 Ahhh Aug 18 04:48:15 Ok yeah I tried that too Aug 18 04:48:15 some method that allows you to directly issue AT commands... Aug 18 04:48:24 ATD7153246846; Aug 18 04:48:24 STR=`ATD7153246846;' Aug 18 04:48:24 EVENT: Outgoing Call Progress: UNKNOWN Aug 18 04:48:24 EVENT: Outgoing Call Progress: REJECT Aug 18 04:49:02 * anrp calls number to see who it is! Aug 18 04:49:05 j/k Aug 18 04:49:29 haha It's my home phone and I wouldn't really care as long as you can speak french or english Aug 18 04:50:22 gavin8or, have you tried with the country code? Aug 18 04:50:33 ATD17153246846; (i'm assuming) Aug 18 04:51:51 strange Aug 18 04:52:22 I connected via gprs and typed "ping nobody". Nobody responded in ~524ms average. Aug 18 04:52:45 wow Aug 18 04:52:50 nslookup nobody Aug 18 04:52:50 so something in your dns resolution path is called "nobody" Aug 18 04:53:05 I guess. It's not on the device, and it's not on my system here at home. Aug 18 04:53:15 haha Aug 18 04:53:23 nobody + search line in /etc/resolv.conf Aug 18 04:53:24 I'm using opendns on the pone Aug 18 04:53:30 phone Aug 18 04:53:35 pony? D: Aug 18 04:53:54 you miswrote, and i misread. it all works out! Aug 18 04:54:05 208.69.32.130 is the address. I just did it again. Aug 18 04:54:21 130.32.69.208.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN PTR nxdomain.guide.opendns.com. Aug 18 04:54:24 ;; ANSWER SECTION: Aug 18 04:54:24 130.32.69.208.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN PTR nxdomain.guide.opendns.com. Aug 18 04:54:29 anrp, too quick Aug 18 04:54:45 too funny Aug 18 04:54:51 so, they mean there's nothing there Aug 18 04:54:53 OK, so no web browser at all installed? Aug 18 04:55:00 that's actually something you can set up if you have an account with opendns Aug 18 04:55:07 well, there was not on the OM2007.2 image i was using Aug 18 04:55:11 to return an actual nxdomain instead of that bogus one Aug 18 04:55:18 Yup, works for everything.... Aug 18 04:55:21 i'm thinking about flashing my device again now while i wait for some updates and builds to finish Aug 18 04:55:37 i think you can get a free opendns account Aug 18 04:55:37 I flashed it with today's build. It's better. Aug 18 04:55:45 i have no idea, i just use 8 numbers i memorized years ago Aug 18 04:55:58 anrp, I did just that Aug 18 04:56:34 OK, so where's this famous webkit browser? Aug 18 04:57:40 sagacis, 20070817? Aug 18 04:58:13 daMaestro: I made a build myself. It came out as 20070818. With today's commits Aug 18 04:58:28 sagacis, hmm.. so it's actually building again. Aug 18 04:58:31 daMaestro: it depends on whenthat build was started Aug 18 04:58:51 * daMaestro fires up build guest to see what the dillio is Aug 18 05:03:04 how do i download ipkg or where and what am i supposed to download... im very confsued by their website :( (http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Ipkg (think thats the correct site) Aug 18 05:04:58 is there an easy way for me to just disable incoming calls, since I can't answer them with the dialer without a crash? Aug 18 05:05:29 yes, the power switch Aug 18 05:05:34 or, killall gsmd Aug 18 05:06:06 the power switch will kill that alert, but not the phone? Aug 18 05:06:12 no. Aug 18 05:06:26 i'm being slightly sarcastic. Aug 18 05:06:30 oh, haha Aug 18 05:06:40 forgot to turn on my detector Aug 18 05:07:07 i don't mind buying a broken $whatever, so long as i know it broken before i buy it and there's a reasonable chance it's fixable Aug 18 05:07:17 viz. gsmd Aug 18 05:07:20 agreed Aug 18 05:07:31 so it crashes, but it's fixable... and i like bug squashing Aug 18 05:07:51 yes, I just hoped there might be a temporary workaround Aug 18 05:08:39 maybe kill off gsmd Aug 18 05:08:48 hehe, yeah Aug 18 05:09:31 I wouldn't actually be attempting to use the neo as a phone atm, except that I lost my damn phone in a drunken stupor last week Aug 18 05:10:08 so now, I need to get a temporary replacement until the neo is good and ready... or just deal Aug 18 05:10:10 i do believe that's what's know as a vested interest... Aug 18 05:13:43 can someone point me to where i can figure out modules and how to transfer them to the neo Aug 18 05:14:10 anthony__: if you're using a prebuilt rootfs, it already contains the modules Aug 18 05:14:32 oh ok, thank you very much Aug 18 05:14:47 so i shouldnt have to use modules at all Aug 18 05:14:52 anthony__: you may have to nand clean erase rootfs first Aug 18 05:14:55 anthony__: yes Aug 18 05:15:08 cool thanks Aug 18 05:15:19 no problem Aug 18 05:27:15 moin Aug 18 05:27:23 moin moin Aug 18 05:27:51 mediawiki Aug 18 05:28:01 oh, sorry. wrong topic. moin moin moin Aug 18 05:28:09 ha Aug 18 05:32:04 uhh christ, now im having a hard time doing the whole nand clean erase rootfs Aug 18 05:32:19 what's the problem? Aug 18 05:32:31 anthony@anthony-desktop:~$ cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 Aug 18 05:32:31 Connected. Aug 18 05:32:31 nand erase clean rootfs Aug 18 05:32:47 thats all and nothing else happens Aug 18 05:33:09 im not good at linux at all by the way Aug 18 05:33:14 "nand erase rootfs" Does the "clean" do something? Aug 18 05:33:27 you should get a prompt Aug 18 05:33:28 I believe both words are necessary Aug 18 05:33:33 you need to use cu -l as root Aug 18 05:33:54 oh ok i think i know what you are talking about Aug 18 05:34:19 Hmm... I don't use both words Never used the clean.... Aug 18 05:35:23 sagacis: I'm just going off what the wiki says Aug 18 05:35:49 well it lists the clean as [clean] so i think it is optional Aug 18 05:35:53 i use it Aug 18 05:36:26 so what should i type in Aug 18 05:36:32 im way confused now Aug 18 05:36:43 ahh Aug 18 05:37:18 anthony@anthony-desktop:~$ cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 =this is right, correct? Aug 18 05:37:27 yes, but you need to do that as root, afaik Aug 18 05:37:32 Nope Aug 18 05:37:35 I don't do it as root. Aug 18 05:37:41 Maybe Aug 18 05:37:45 im using ubuntu Aug 18 05:37:46 * sagacis can't remember now. Aug 18 05:37:58 anthony__: "sudo cu -l /dev/ttyACM0" Aug 18 05:38:02 so you chown uucp.uucp /dev/ttyACM0 Aug 18 05:38:05 ? Aug 18 05:38:14 Hmm.... Yes. Aug 18 05:38:26 That was a step on the wiki page, now that I recall Aug 18 05:38:38 anthony@anthony-desktop:~$ sudo cu -l /dev/ttyACM Aug 18 05:38:38 cu: open (/dev/ttyACM): No such file or directory Aug 18 05:38:38 cu: /dev/ttyACM: Line in use Aug 18 05:39:08 you forgot the "0" Aug 18 05:39:23 anthony@anthony-desktop:~$ sudo cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 Aug 18 05:39:24 cu: open (/dev/ttyACM0): Permission denied Aug 18 05:39:24 cu: /dev/ttyACM0: Line in use Aug 18 05:39:24 anthony@anthony-desktop:~$ Aug 18 05:39:35 daMaestro: He got "connected" the first time, so it should have worked OK Aug 18 05:39:59 anthony__: type "ifconfig" and look for usb0. Make sure it is there and "UP" Aug 18 05:41:19 nope not there Aug 18 05:42:52 OK, type "sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0" Aug 18 05:43:09 That was on a wiki page somewhere, too.... USB networking or something (goes off to look....) Aug 18 05:43:37 it says "Line in use". could it be a left-over process? Aug 18 05:43:55 try "fuser /dev/ttyACM0" Aug 18 05:43:57 aha- http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Aug 18 05:44:55 dotmef, he doesn't have the usb0 interface, so the /dev/ttyACM0 isn't created yet Aug 18 05:45:09 urrr? Aug 18 05:45:13 oh, no Aug 18 05:45:14 Sorry. Aug 18 05:45:21 i think the tty and net interfaces are exclusive Aug 18 05:45:23 It's late. I'm crazy. Aug 18 05:45:41 anthony@anthony-desktop:~$ sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 Aug 18 05:45:41 SIOCSIFADDR: No such device Aug 18 05:45:41 usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device Aug 18 05:45:41 SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device Aug 18 05:45:42 maybe I'll go back to my compiling now..... Aug 18 05:46:06 looks like a module is missing Aug 18 05:46:26 and i'm too lazy to put my neo back together and tell you what all you should have loaded Aug 18 05:46:30 anthony__: maybe unplug and plug back in? Aug 18 05:46:38 lsmod | grep usbnet Aug 18 05:47:03 mr face ha ive tried trust me Aug 18 05:47:38 anthony__: reboot? (neo) Aug 18 05:47:57 are you plugging into a hub? Aug 18 05:48:18 i've got a lame usb hub that seems to freak out every time i plug in a device Aug 18 05:48:27 neo should be in set console to usb right Aug 18 05:48:43 you don't need to select anything there Aug 18 05:48:57 just pluged right into computer (with cord that came with the phone) Aug 18 05:49:57 anthony@anthony-desktop:~$ cu -l /dev/ttyACM0Connected. Aug 18 05:50:01 In: usbtty Aug 18 05:50:05 Out: usbtty Aug 18 05:50:09 Err: usbtty Aug 18 05:50:13 GTA01Bv4 # DEVICE_CONFIGURED: 1 Aug 18 05:50:17 Enabling automatic fast charge Aug 18 05:50:17 nand erase clean rootfs Aug 18 05:50:17 NAND erase: device 0 offset 0x2e4000, size 0x3d1c000 Aug 18 05:50:17 OK Aug 18 05:50:17 OGTA01Bv4 # Aug 18 05:50:18 now what? Aug 18 05:50:25 you did it Aug 18 05:50:27 or is it done Aug 18 05:50:29 yay Aug 18 05:50:31 haha Aug 18 05:50:33 w00t Aug 18 05:50:38 now ~. to exit Aug 18 05:50:42 thank you so much everyone that helped Aug 18 05:50:57 no problem Aug 18 05:51:22 so now i just transfer another rootfs and it should semi work Aug 18 05:51:39 yes, as long as you flash a matching kernel Aug 18 05:51:55 you might as well erase the kernel while you're at the prompt Aug 18 05:52:02 unless you already exited Aug 18 05:52:15 think so, someone told me they had a working one so i downloaded those Aug 18 05:52:29 yeah it powered down on its own Aug 18 05:52:53 ahh.. get to flashing then Aug 18 05:53:01 sweet Aug 18 05:53:03 thank you Aug 18 05:53:09 :) Aug 18 06:14:30 sagacis, is the "turn off whatever is eating my battery" bug fixed in the current build? Aug 18 06:14:38 [on shutdown] Aug 18 06:14:55 * * OM Bug 714 has been created by cywang.eda(AT)gmail.com Aug 18 06:14:55 * * Machine=qemuarm is arm versatile Aug 18 06:14:56 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=714 Aug 18 06:16:09 LOL Aug 18 06:16:19 the "welcome" sound surprised me Aug 18 06:17:29 daMaestro: Nope Aug 18 06:17:36 hmm and gsmd likes to not start on boot still Aug 18 06:17:51 daMaestro: It did for me. I was excited Aug 18 06:18:14 I was even able to gprs Aug 18 06:18:29 although that didnt' help much since I don't have a web browser Aug 18 06:18:38 I"m bitbaking gpe-mini-browser now Aug 18 06:18:44 dillo2 didn't build Aug 18 06:18:53 wow.. it actually shutdown Aug 18 06:18:55 :-D Aug 18 06:19:02 I like the new power management menu Aug 18 06:19:13 I was running with full PM earlier today. Aug 18 06:19:30 that wasn't good when it decided I was boring and suspended. Couldn't recover. Had to pop out battery Aug 18 06:19:53 meh, it's still coming along Aug 18 06:19:56 very nicely Aug 18 06:20:14 Also, I noticed if I use the application list as a category, it always pops up calculator. I have to use "All" applications Aug 18 06:20:17 Yes it it. Aug 18 06:20:22 I can make and receive calls. Aug 18 06:20:38 When I called myself, the neo rang! Aug 18 06:20:45 is the alsa mixer stuff automated? Aug 18 06:20:50 oh wow! we have a ring now! Aug 18 06:20:59 However, I couldn't talk, so I restored the handset stuff and then I couldn't ring.... Aug 18 06:21:06 But, the neo vibed instead! Aug 18 06:22:34 I'd like to have the feedreader work, too Aug 18 06:30:33 sagacis: what setup are you using? Aug 18 06:30:36 darn, gpe browser didnt' compile out of the box either Aug 18 06:30:47 Kliment: not sure what you are asking? Aug 18 06:30:52 which kernel/rootfs? Aug 18 06:31:03 homebrew, built tonight Aug 18 06:31:07 using the alpha makefile Aug 18 06:31:30 on mine, it makes/receives one call from the gui Aug 18 06:31:39 and as many as I want from command line Aug 18 06:31:55 gsmd fails to start up Aug 18 06:31:57 I did two calls only Aug 18 06:31:57 Kliment, what build are you using? Aug 18 06:32:49 sagacis, what makefile? Aug 18 06:33:13 * daMaestro rm -rf ~/OM2007.2 Aug 18 06:33:20 ello ello moko nuts Aug 18 06:33:47 2007.2, with this image http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing#20070813_with_kernel_2.6.21.5-r2 Aug 18 06:33:53 don't have a buildenv yet Aug 18 06:34:04 hm.... let me see Aug 18 06:34:41 yeah, those are the images i just flashed Aug 18 06:34:45 all together now sing the moko song "Im a little moko nut as free as can be, Stephen can go shove his phone were no one can see" Aug 18 06:34:48 (to my device) Aug 18 06:34:57 :-P Aug 18 06:35:59 :D Aug 18 06:36:01 I'll try the nightlies from last night Aug 18 06:36:24 Last nights is closer to what I have. Aug 18 06:37:10 it might be the same. Aug 18 06:37:29 ok, how big is your buildenv and how long does it take to build? Aug 18 06:37:51 I'm having a small diskspace issue here Aug 18 06:38:01 I was listening to a podcast (NPR Tech) today and they were talking about how hard the iPhone is to use for many owners Aug 18 06:38:26 Linux_Galore: the neo is no easier to use at the moment Aug 18 06:38:47 btw we really need to implement this vibrate on touch thing Aug 18 06:38:49 Kliment: I know but just shows even Apple are finding it hard Aug 18 06:38:58 To get the latest always, use http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01.jffs2 Aug 18 06:39:06 It's a symlink updated by the build Aug 18 06:39:10 moral of the story ... even apple's famed human interface engineers left room for the neo to be better Aug 18 06:39:39 Linux_Galore got there first... Aug 18 06:39:39 Kliment: Sorry I can't tell you either. My buildenv is all mucked up with other stuff Aug 18 06:39:52 sagacis: approximately? Aug 18 06:39:53 and I've never timed a build. maybe 5-8 hrs? Aug 18 06:40:08 ah, so it's okay for overnight Aug 18 06:40:09 great Aug 18 06:40:39 see I don't have a spare computer to build this stuff on Aug 18 06:40:43 ckuethe: yep, were going to kicks Apples rear Aug 18 06:40:51 me is calculating diskusage Aug 18 06:40:54 we are* Aug 18 06:40:57 thanks Aug 18 06:41:05 er, I mean... add a "/" to that Aug 18 06:41:33 I have this annoying thing when I reflash Aug 18 06:41:43 we could... not sure that we will Aug 18 06:41:53 my computer believes that ssh has been broken Aug 18 06:41:58 since the host key changes Aug 18 06:42:05 any idea how to avoid this? Aug 18 06:42:12 but the nice thing about not getting there first is that we can learn from others' mistakes Aug 18 06:42:32 ckuethe: thing is, we can get there first AND learn from mistakes Aug 18 06:42:57 Kliment: maybe an entry in ~/.ssh_config Aug 18 06:43:00 Kliment: Just remove the ssh key Aug 18 06:43:10 to not verify/cache host keys for 192.168.0.200 Aug 18 06:43:14 Every kernel will create a new key, so flashing means it has to change Aug 18 06:43:22 man ssh_config Aug 18 06:43:31 Yeah, you could do that, too.... Aug 18 06:46:02 Kliment: 21 GB total, but I have some extra caching and a bunch of unnecessary projects Aug 18 06:46:12 I don't think that's typical Aug 18 06:46:54 7-10GB is probably about right. Aug 18 06:47:06 good night Aug 18 06:47:16 I gotta get to sleep before I drool on my keyboard Aug 18 06:47:16 just plugged in my new wireless mouse and bingo a small applet flashed up on the desktop with the battery level, no drivers not stuffing around, eat that windows Aug 18 06:47:32 s/not/no/ Aug 18 06:47:33 Linux_Galore meant: just plugged in my new wireless mouse and bingo a small applet flashed up on the desktop with the battery level, no drivers no stuffing around, eat that windows Aug 18 06:49:30 should I update my u-boot Aug 18 06:49:38 I haven't touched it since I got the phone Aug 18 06:50:09 http://londerings.sourceforge.net/go/Neo1973/KGS_Neo1973.png Aug 18 06:50:25 (running on PC and displaying on Neo1973, usbnet) Aug 18 06:51:15 nice, that should be awesome once we can use gprs regularly Aug 18 06:51:39 well, I hope to test it over GPRS soonish Aug 18 06:51:52 mmmm, kgs Aug 18 06:52:12 now we need to get it to vibrate when you put a stone Aug 18 06:52:23 for that tactile feeling Aug 18 06:52:48 hehe Aug 18 06:54:18 cgoban2 is java, right? Aug 18 06:54:50 can you try cross-compiling it for the neo Aug 18 06:54:56 with gcj Aug 18 06:55:03 yes, but doesn't matter that much, I was running it on PC Aug 18 06:55:23 well, KGS is not open source :-( Aug 18 06:55:31 no problem Aug 18 06:55:54 just unpack the jar and cross-compile and see if it runs Aug 18 06:56:11 if it does I'm sure they would be glad to distribute one more client version Aug 18 06:56:18 ah, you can crosscompile fro bytecode? interesting Aug 18 06:56:28 of course you can Aug 18 06:56:30 s:from:from: Aug 18 06:56:42 you can also decompile bytecode Aug 18 06:57:01 what about running jar directly (once java is available for Neo1973) Aug 18 06:57:13 that would be very nice Aug 18 06:57:21 and I have much interest in getting that to work Aug 18 06:58:49 * aloril wonders how is progress with MIDP or even full java stuff Aug 18 06:59:20 aloril: I don't know if anyone is working on it, I intend to make it work Aug 18 06:59:59 there have been talks in openmoko-devel list Aug 18 07:00:31 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Luyindianhua]] [[Xieji]] [[Xiyi]] [[Phase_1_Software_Testing]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Sydney]] [[SH1]] [[Battery]] [[Talk:Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem]] Aug 18 07:01:02 i've read Aug 18 07:03:18 btw.. 19x19 is playable too Aug 18 07:03:50 feck Aug 18 07:03:56 want to try the gcj approach? Aug 18 07:04:01 what is it, ScaredyCat? Aug 18 07:04:17 it's the -j4 that screws up the build Aug 18 07:04:37 I just let it run last night without it and it ran perfectly Aug 18 07:05:16 and no rm_work either... Aug 18 07:05:24 so it uses 19GB Aug 18 07:08:33 yeah, i just fired off a fresh build with the mastermakefile Aug 18 07:08:44 so I just wasted 3 days trying to find that Aug 18 07:08:47 maybe it will finish by lunch tomorrow Aug 18 07:09:21 I also noticed I was getting some corrupt downloads (md5sum not matching) Aug 18 07:09:58 I guess there were some i/o issues :/ Aug 18 07:10:14 19GB now? Aug 18 07:10:23 hmm i only have 14GB avail for the build dir Aug 18 07:10:43 btw how do I get the usable keyboard? Aug 18 07:11:11 ah ok found it Aug 18 07:12:25 daMaestro: yeah, apparently rm_work is broken or something.. Aug 18 07:12:36 you can actually manually do it... Aug 18 07:12:55 hmm, so should i just stop this build if i don't have ~20GB free? Aug 18 07:12:57 but the act of doing it will try to do the build tooo Aug 18 07:13:00 this is for OM2007.2? Aug 18 07:13:19 lemmie get the command that you can use to force it and build too Aug 18 07:13:21 yes Aug 18 07:13:21 .2 Aug 18 07:13:25 blah Aug 18 07:13:30 * daMaestro stops build Aug 18 07:13:58 cd build ; source ../setup-env ; bitbake -c rm_work openmoko-devel-image Aug 18 07:14:32 i'm just using the mastermakefile Aug 18 07:14:40 it tries to to the rm_work...but if the bits aren't built seems to want to build them Aug 18 07:21:05 ScaredyCat: you got a build now? Cool Aug 18 07:22:20 yes... Aug 18 07:22:43 after I turned ff the multi proc / parallel build it built fine Aug 18 07:22:53 aside from that libxml2 fix Aug 18 07:23:07 Odd, I was running with parallel build (but not with rm_work) Aug 18 07:23:20 I still can't dial from the gui Aug 18 07:24:15 mm... Aug 18 07:24:44 and the first incoming call makes it ring nicely and then silence unless I restore the state manually Aug 18 07:24:58 then I need to turn mono down to remove the feedback Aug 18 07:25:09 then voice works pretty well Aug 18 07:25:27 then it no longer handles incoming calls Aug 18 07:25:40 ** (matchbox-panel-2:1896): CRITICAL **: _moko_gsmd_connection_eventhandler: unhandled event type = 13 Aug 18 07:25:47 I get this every time I call it Aug 18 07:26:11 I can answer the call from libgsmd-tool just fine Aug 18 07:26:17 and the dialer neveer works Aug 18 07:26:26 it says Aug 18 07:26:27 is this .1 or .2 ? Aug 18 07:26:28 ** (openmoko-dialer:1894): CRITICAL **: dbus_g_proxy_call: assertion `!DBUS_G_PROXY_DESTROYED (proxy)' failed Aug 18 07:26:31 .2 Aug 18 07:26:44 from what date? Aug 18 07:26:52 17.08 Aug 18 07:26:59 k Aug 18 07:27:11 still not worth it then ... Aug 18 07:27:32 * ScaredyCat fires up monkey island on neo Aug 18 07:49:40 muf: ping Aug 18 07:49:49 mbuf: :/ Aug 18 07:58:51 ScaredyCat: are the neo patches for scummvm available somewhere? Aug 18 08:09:06 pH5: http://buildhost.automated.it/scummvm Aug 18 08:09:45 the scummvm.tar.bz2 is the modified/fixed .bb file, the compiled verisons are for .1 - just building .2 version now.. Aug 18 08:10:11 but the me .bb file is in .2 build so it's just a case of bitbake scummvm Aug 18 08:11:50 someone broke webkit Aug 18 08:15:19 大家好 Aug 18 08:15:40 dunno... Aug 18 08:16:16 what Aug 18 08:17:04 ScaredyCat: cool, thanks. Aug 18 08:17:46 do you have NEO1973? Aug 18 08:17:47 Saub: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Aug 18 08:18:31 several here as you could guess by looking at FAQ or topic Aug 18 08:18:43 anyone think we might have a chance at getting something like Miro (formally Democracy player... dtv) rocking via openmoko? Aug 18 08:20:22 daMaestro: on gta01 cpu might be an issue...... Aug 18 08:20:39 02 would probably cope,,, Aug 18 08:20:58 yeah, but that is what 01 is for :-D Aug 18 08:21:05 to get things "working" Aug 18 08:21:05 lol Aug 18 08:21:14 although #i can play video with no frame loss ... just in a small window... Aug 18 08:21:30 really, my 01 will turn into an @ home gateway of some sorts Aug 18 08:21:46 it's a shame that there is no yuv->rgb in hardware on the s3c2410 Aug 18 08:22:19 now I can consistently answer calls Aug 18 08:22:42 we just got some neuros' in ... I'm going to be in embedded heaven soon :) Aug 18 08:23:24 if I try to dial the dialer dies Aug 18 08:23:50 so nothing handes incoming calls until I restart it Aug 18 08:24:06 ph5: are you running .2 ? Aug 18 08:24:28 ScaredyCat: building, not running yet Aug 18 08:24:32 * pH5 needs a faster build machine Aug 18 08:24:45 k.. just that I have scummvm for it Aug 18 08:25:04 but you can do it yourself if your build works :) Aug 18 08:25:12 how can i develope software with Neo Base? How to debug? Aug 18 08:25:16 I keep getting this when dialing from gui Aug 18 08:25:24 17.08 Aug 18 08:25:48 (openmoko-dialer:1923): CRITICAL **: dbus_g_proxy_call: assertion `!DBUS_G_PROXY_DESTROYED (proxy)' failed Aug 18 08:26:39 it should have gdb on it Saub... Aug 18 08:26:53 Kliment: the dialer just isn't stable Aug 18 08:27:46 ScaredyCat: yes, I'd like to verify the build and include those changes in OE, if that's okay. Aug 18 08:28:24 it's not my work. I'm just hosting it... but it looks like it's already in oe Aug 18 08:28:56 Saub: or you can first develop on PC and then test on Neo1973 Aug 18 08:29:06 heh, maybe I'm just slow. Aug 18 08:29:10 * pH5 pulls oe Aug 18 08:29:24 thank you Aug 18 08:29:47 ls ../../newBuild/openembedded/packages/scummvm/scummvm_0.9.1.bb Aug 18 08:29:47 ../../newBuild/openembedded/packages/scummvm/scummvm_0.9.1.bb Aug 18 08:30:09 which is the new fixed one Aug 18 08:31:34 does the neo have wifi? Aug 18 08:32:52 the current model does not Aug 18 08:33:04 haowever, the gta02 should have it Aug 18 08:33:11 gowever Aug 18 08:33:14 gahh Aug 18 08:33:18 however Aug 18 08:33:24 when could it be ready Aug 18 08:33:33 in theory october... Aug 18 08:33:47 most of us suspect it would be a little later Aug 18 08:34:14 but you can still develop on the gta01 and move to the gta02 Aug 18 08:34:24 hope it come soon,heh Aug 18 08:34:29 or you can use qemu on a pc to emulate the neo Aug 18 08:35:12 i run qemu on windows to emulate,it's slow, how about on linux? Aug 18 08:37:23 wifi? Aug 18 08:37:23 Currently sold Neo1973 GTA01B_v04 (P1) doesn't have WiFi, GTA02 (P2) which is scheduled for October will have WiFi with free (libre) drivers (Atheros AR6K): http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F Aug 18 08:38:08 Saub: depends on machine: it can be slower or faster than real Neo1973 ;-) Aug 18 08:38:13 when GTA02 is ready, where can i buy it? order on the web? Aug 18 08:38:21 Saub: I think it's pretty quick on linux Aug 18 08:38:33 see topic or faq for buy links Aug 18 08:38:37 http://www.openmoko.com Aug 18 08:38:45 rwhitby: does MokoMakeFile package up modules with the rootfs? Aug 18 08:38:47 ok, try Aug 18 08:39:15 jgm: ping Aug 18 08:40:07 mrface: the required modules should be installed. the modules tarball is an extra, containing modules not used in the default image.. Aug 18 08:40:24 sweet Aug 18 08:41:05 if you are getting errors with unmatched modules it means your rootfs and uImage don;t match Aug 18 08:41:20 who said anything about errors? Aug 18 08:41:26 I was just curious Aug 18 08:41:35 no one, I was just making you aware, for the future Aug 18 08:41:49 oh, well thank you :) Aug 18 08:42:17 it's a common problem.. so good to be aware of it :) Aug 18 08:42:47 so would I spot these errors in the text that goes by during startup? or in dmesg output? Aug 18 08:42:48 i think the screen looks a bit odd in landscape. i'm guessing it's because it's brighter in one eye, or is this something i'm imagining? Aug 18 08:43:33 yes. Aug 18 08:44:10 okay then Aug 18 08:44:44 yes mrface... during startup... and your sd card probably wouldn't get automounted Aug 18 08:44:58 oh yeah, that would be an obvious sign Aug 18 08:51:03 btw.. you can see screen with 0 brightness, just shine bright light to screen Aug 18 08:52:14 * mrface just installed his first very own kernel/rootfs Aug 18 08:52:23 :D Aug 18 08:53:41 ...but oes it still boot ;) Aug 18 08:53:44 does Aug 18 08:53:51 yes! :) Aug 18 08:53:55 good Aug 18 08:53:59 and the modules are there Aug 18 08:55:43 aloril: not really. Aug 18 08:56:47 SpeedEvil: I accidentally set brightness to 0 yesterday and shining bright led I could vaguely see enough to use onscreen keyboard to change brigthness back to sensible value Aug 18 08:57:00 (you see some kind of point grid too) Aug 18 08:58:28 Hmm, I diddn't succeed in seeing it in detail. Aug 18 08:58:44 it was in dark room Aug 18 08:58:49 ah Aug 18 08:58:59 you mean pressing LED to surface? Aug 18 08:59:47 screen burn Aug 18 09:00:11 actually, no need for dark room, no I mean 1W led flashlight Aug 18 09:00:52 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Madrid]] [[Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973]] [[User_talk:Mathiastck]] [[User:Mathiastck]] [[Shipment_1]] [[SIM_card]] Aug 18 09:01:52 i still have the problem "cu: open (/dev/ttySAC0): Permission denied" :-( Aug 18 09:02:02 this room is reasonably bright, can't see anything on screen, but if I shine 1W led flashlight I can vaguely see (enough to change it back if needs to be) Aug 18 09:02:51 tuukkah: uucp rights OK in certain file? (don't recall what it was, but it was mentioned in wiki) Aug 18 09:03:49 tuukkah: chgrp root /dev/ttyACM0 Aug 18 09:04:20 i don't have /dev/ttyACM0 :-( Aug 18 09:05:57 chgrp root /dev/ttySAC0 did the trick! thanks Aug 18 09:20:44 when compiling package openmoko-libs it hangs sayng that common/linux_list.h is not found. any solution? Aug 18 09:33:25 can i somehow exit cu? Aug 18 09:34:27 use ~~. Aug 18 09:34:34 hmm games on the OM http://www.flickr.com/photos/pitcherfamily/11550082 Aug 18 09:35:32 your link is bad Aug 18 09:35:49 i think it should be http://www.flickr.com/photos/pitcherfamily/1155008255/ Aug 18 09:36:12 sry Aug 18 09:36:25 why didn't you just say scummvm ... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Scummvm Aug 18 09:38:12 ScaredyCat: meh, dont get ya knickers in a twist princes Aug 18 09:38:24 ScaredyCat, thanks! Aug 18 09:38:30 time is precious Linux_Galore Aug 18 09:40:43 Neo1973 screen is huge! Aug 18 09:41:43 aloril2: nah, it's 2.8" Aug 18 09:42:30 aloril2: yeah you dont realise how big until you put it next to a 5G iPod http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZJ_dcUjhNU Aug 18 09:42:47 hehe, comparing to 128x128 mobile screen Aug 18 09:43:11 I thought it would be a bit smaller Aug 18 09:43:48 screen wise I mean Aug 18 09:45:41 this is from Neo1973 trough bluetooth GPRS (because cheaper SIM for GPRS) to remote PC and screen there Aug 18 09:46:21 * pH5 wonders how fast x86 qemu on s3c2410 would be.. Aug 18 09:46:44 hehe Aug 18 09:46:48 not. very. Aug 18 09:48:23 any help for my common/linux_list.h not found error? Aug 18 09:50:58 Ghiottone: gsmd/usock.h includes linux_list.h from inside an #ifdef __GSMD__ Aug 18 09:51:34 it would help if you could find out where __GSMD__ is set during openmoko-libs compilation, or you could try to just remove that #ifdef block from the header file completely Aug 18 09:51:40 it is for gsmd internal use only Aug 18 09:56:01 Has anyone been able to build the 2007.2 image lately? Aug 18 09:56:24 It's been failing for two days for me on the kernel: http://rafb.net/p/1MD5Ck83.html Aug 18 09:58:03 * CM removes all sources and tries again Aug 18 09:58:30 * J-23 tries to connect to HID phone with BlueZ/KDEBluetooth Aug 18 10:00:16 CM: mine finally built last night... Aug 18 10:00:30 I have to remove the -j 4 and parallel build Aug 18 10:00:35 So there's hope at least.. ;) Aug 18 10:00:35 but it completed... Aug 18 10:00:53 although this morning someone seems to have broken webkit Aug 18 10:01:00 Hehe Aug 18 10:01:52 it took nearly 20GB though Aug 18 10:02:56 * pH5 wonders why webkit-gtk depends on qt4 Aug 18 10:03:11 * ScaredyCat wonders.... Aug 18 10:03:18 ... lonely as a cloud Aug 18 10:03:48 * CM wonders why he can't build the kernel Aug 18 10:06:15 * mrface wonders why we are using webkit instead of gecko Aug 18 10:07:29 webkit == safari == direct compatability with iphone apps Aug 18 10:08:24 webkit is also a lot smaller Aug 18 10:08:35 also it was originally based on khtml which is a qt lib Aug 18 10:10:07 I see. so it will be a more competitive if it can run all the iphone's apps plus tons more Aug 18 10:10:20 also, afaik maemo uses webkit Aug 18 10:10:44 opera uses webkit? Aug 18 10:10:57 and i think maemo is the platform currently closest to om Aug 18 10:11:53 maemo had opera first, then a gecko based, iirc Aug 18 10:16:51 CM: ah indeed you are right Aug 18 10:16:53 i was thinking about getting a Drei (three?) (www.drei.at) USIM, does anyone know whether that works with the neo? Aug 18 10:17:28 ecraven: sounds like a 3g network to me, in that case no Aug 18 10:18:32 * J-23 installs Windows BlueSoleil :| Aug 18 10:18:40 hm.. i'll have to ask them.. 2g only for the neo? Aug 18 10:19:04 ecraven, yep Aug 18 10:19:25 ecraven: they claim to have a gsm/gprs network as well Aug 18 10:19:29 sounds like someone who'll block your sim if you use a 2g-only-device Aug 18 10:19:30 ecraven: so it might work Aug 18 10:19:34 the SIM problem is not 3G or not Aug 18 10:19:41 it is the manufacgoring year of the SIM, mostly Aug 18 10:19:48 I have 3G SIMs that work Aug 18 10:19:57 ok, if they do have a gsm network, it should work. If the SIM isn't incompatible like the AT&T ones Aug 18 10:19:58 all 2007 SIMs from withing Germany do not ... Aug 18 10:20:26 anyway, better ask them if the USIM should work in a GSM device Aug 18 10:20:32 i know they use the a1 gsm network if they don't have connectivity with umts Aug 18 10:20:34 all USIMs do Aug 18 10:20:40 this is a firmware bug of the TI chip Aug 18 10:20:55 uuuu Aug 18 10:20:58 I have a 2007 SIM does does not work in the Neo and it works in a 6 year old Nokia brick ... Aug 18 10:21:27 all current SIM cards are suppost to be backward compatible with ancient phones Aug 18 10:21:50 btw. O2 in germany was kind enough to send out old SIM cards they had in a suty corner from 2006 Aug 18 10:22:03 if they have a good customer service this drei.at might do the same Aug 18 10:22:35 i'll just get a written statement that it works, if it doesn't i'll go and tell them to give me another one Aug 18 10:22:56 ah, if it only were october already.. (or whenever gta02 comes out) Aug 18 10:22:56 sorry about previous Aug 18 10:23:16 ecraven: written statement from? Aug 18 10:23:25 drei.at :) Aug 18 10:23:35 ecraven: this is a TI firmware bug, they can in any case tell you and proof you your phone is buggy ... Aug 18 10:23:51 hm.. can't we get a firmware upgrade? Aug 18 10:24:09 ecraven: I hope, but I'm not a Neo core team guy, so ... Aug 18 10:24:16 but the firmware is open? Aug 18 10:24:17 ecraven: I'm waiting as well, and cross my fingers Aug 18 10:24:24 ecraven, not the GSM chip's Aug 18 10:24:24 in the meantime I have a SIM in my Neo that works ... Aug 18 10:24:31 this is kind of more weird than previous: keyboard is now on PC -> usbnet -> Neo1973 -> bluetooth GPRS -> PC -> here ;-) Aug 18 10:24:34 a 3G, UMTS SIM, just from 2006 ... :-) Aug 18 10:24:48 ScaredyCat: rm_work should work now, so you can get most of your 20GB back Aug 18 10:24:53 ecraven: no the firmware is not open Aug 18 10:25:03 ecraven: the GSM chip and the GPS chip are the two parts that are fully closed Aug 18 10:25:04 the GSM firmware is very very closed; should be upgradeable, but requires special equipment that TI are jealous of, AIUI Aug 18 10:25:25 :( Aug 18 10:25:39 Hopefully FIC/Moko will do send-in upgrades at least when they are less busy. Aug 18 10:25:41 can we get them to fix it? Aug 18 10:25:48 we all write mails? Aug 18 10:26:06 oh, and when TI has actually fixed the problem Aug 18 10:26:10 which they _hopefully_ will Aug 18 10:26:42 but I don't think anyone else than TI is even able to do it, considering the closedness Aug 18 10:26:55 ecraven: we all signed "we now it is devel preview and does not fully work", ... Aug 18 10:27:36 mjr: I thought I heard Harald say that they were trying to get to a point where OpenMoko could recompile (but not release the source of) the TI firmware. Aug 18 10:27:45 hm.. i'll just pray it works on gta02 :) Aug 18 10:27:58 rwhitby: that's GPS, not GSM Aug 18 10:28:07 different beastt Aug 18 10:28:09 anyway, have to go.. thanks for the info! Aug 18 10:28:12 rwhitby, ack Aug 18 10:28:23 Kliment, yeah, I though it was GPS too Aug 18 10:28:24 Kliment: I thought I heard both. Aug 18 10:28:35 hmh Aug 18 10:28:36 ah well Aug 18 10:28:44 rwhitby: that would be very positive, then we could download upgrades Aug 18 10:28:45 at least both of my finnish SIMs work fine :] Aug 18 10:28:57 They did say that anyone who meets an OpenMoko employee in person will be able to get a GSM firmware upgrade. Aug 18 10:29:01 mjr: works fine with a sonera sim, haven't tried the elisa one yet Aug 18 10:29:03 Kliment, we couldn't actually install it though... Aug 18 10:29:10 mjr: ? Aug 18 10:29:21 Kliment: you won't ever be able to download GSM firmware upgrades Aug 18 10:29:25 the TI firmware upgrade process needs some special hardware Aug 18 10:29:34 it requires special equipment, which works through the audio path Aug 18 10:29:46 the audio path Aug 18 10:29:47 wtf Aug 18 10:29:56 yes, you plug it into the earphone socket Aug 18 10:29:57 we could hack the sound card driver :) Aug 18 10:30:14 Kliment, if we knew at all how it went, and the stuff is probably digitally signed Aug 18 10:30:29 I expect it's a test mode on that pin, not actually audio signals. Aug 18 10:30:33 mjr: yes, and that needs to be so due to radio regulations Aug 18 10:30:59 mjr: but if I push an official firmware update onto the thing without sending it in I'll be happy Aug 18 10:31:15 s/if I/if I can/ Aug 18 10:31:15 Kliment meant: mjr: but if I can push an official firmware update onto the thing without sending it in I'll be happy Aug 18 10:31:26 One would hope it's hard - I don't some misguided cyberpunk blacklisting the whole OpenMoko product line on all carriers. Aug 18 10:31:40 OM!=neo1973 Aug 18 10:31:44 hi Aug 18 10:31:56 Kliment, I doubt they'll happily release specs on how to send a firmware image to the unit even if it needs to be signed... Aug 18 10:32:06 yeah, yeah, TI calypso gsm module handsets then Aug 18 10:32:08 mjr: yeah, I know :( Aug 18 10:32:18 It depends. Aug 18 10:32:33 i am looking for the animated openmoko logo, which can be seen at the end of the clips on youtube. Where can i find it? Aug 18 10:32:36 maybe Kevin Mitnick (--typos) has it in his portfolia already .-) Aug 18 10:32:38 * rxr ducks Aug 18 10:32:39 but hey, the Moko guys travel a lot ;) Aug 18 10:32:46 If the FCC/... could be satisfied that users flashing would be secure enough. Aug 18 10:33:05 signed + encrypted Aug 18 10:33:16 SpeedEvil: dream on, the FCC is controlled by the carriers. Aug 18 10:33:20 signed is enough Aug 18 10:33:29 TI is a big player Aug 18 10:33:39 TI!=FIC Aug 18 10:33:49 TI has nothing to gain by allowing users to reflash GSM modules Aug 18 10:34:19 well, they do; could advertise better upgradability of their modules... Aug 18 10:34:23 and everything to loose Aug 18 10:34:25 it's not much, though Aug 18 10:34:29 s/loose/lose/ Aug 18 10:34:29 rwhitby meant: and everything to lose Aug 18 10:35:53 ok Aug 18 10:35:56 mjr: were you planning on getting back to hki tonight? Aug 18 10:36:03 yes Aug 18 10:36:04 <--- zero luck getting an openmoko build environment Aug 18 10:36:11 mjr: around when? Aug 18 10:36:26 can someone tell me the URL of the latest betamakefile? i've tried the one from the wiki, and it just refuses to finish building .. Aug 18 10:36:44 when I get too tired of the sociality Aug 18 10:36:53 ok, I'll tag along then Aug 18 10:36:57 if possible Aug 18 10:37:17 torpor: http://svn.nslu2-linux.org/svnroot/mokomakefile/branches/OM-2007.2/Makefile Aug 18 10:37:22 on TI Calypso HTC phones, there are flashable 'encrypted' radio images available Aug 18 10:37:24 but I'll lug along some card games and hardware that should enable me to not be leaving right away Aug 18 10:37:39 good good Aug 18 10:37:51 rwhitby: thanks mate, trying it now. Aug 18 10:38:00 the airport staff managed to lose my bags inside the airport Aug 18 10:38:07 unbelievable incompetence Aug 18 10:38:07 my current guess would be perchance elevenish Aug 18 10:38:24 elevenish sounds great Aug 18 10:39:22 rwhitby: so its 'make setup' followed by 'make all' with this version of the makefile right? Aug 18 10:39:57 rwhitby: MokoMakefile for 2007.2 seems to work, I get strange qemu segfaults, but I don't think it's related to the makefile Aug 18 10:46:59 ml8128: ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" in local.conf Aug 18 10:48:02 ScaredyCat: ok, will try that, thanks Aug 18 10:48:20 whats that do ScaredyCat ? Aug 18 10:48:54 disables binary locale generation Aug 18 10:48:58 oddly enough Aug 18 10:49:05 but, why? Aug 18 10:49:38 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#Build_issues Aug 18 10:49:51 but why what? Aug 18 10:51:01 why disable it? Aug 18 10:51:51 because it fixes the problem, presumably your on 64bit arch ? Aug 18 10:51:55 you're Aug 18 10:54:55 ScaredyCat: sorry was afk Aug 18 10:54:58 hi Aug 18 10:55:12 oh man that was ages ago ;) Aug 18 10:55:15 hi Aug 18 10:55:20 Yeah I was AFK for quite a while Aug 18 10:55:26 have you tried a build today? Aug 18 10:55:30 Nope Aug 18 10:55:30 hi PBeck.. Aug 18 10:56:00 i'm on ubuntu linux, 32 bit ffr. Aug 18 10:56:02 Is it broken again? Aug 18 10:56:09 webkit is... Aug 18 10:56:17 hey ScaredyCat Aug 18 10:56:24 bt hey, I have an image so .. :D Aug 18 10:56:34 torpor: make setup to switch from 2007.1 to 2007.2, or back again. make update to bring yourself up to date with latest OE and bitbake (or don't do that if you want to keep a stable old version) and make all to build. Aug 18 10:57:12 rwhitby: I can get OM2007.2 to build with the makefile but I'm having trouble getting patches inserted in to the build, is this a known issue? Aug 18 10:58:05 jgm : for libgsm ? Aug 18 10:58:19 jgm: how are you inserting them? know that mokomakefile intentionally does a revert on the repositories when you update, so unless you put your patches in the patches dir they will be lost (I'm considering removing this revert after the switch to 2007.2 - it really only made sense for the svn overlay) Aug 18 11:00:34 rwhitby: I've been unable to build the kernel for two days now, any hint where I should look to try to solve it? Even restarting from scratch didn't help. http://rafb.net/p/1MD5Ck83.html Aug 18 11:00:52 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page/zhanlangongsi]] [[Main_Page/xieji]] [[Main_Page/xiyi]] [[Manually_using_GSM]] [[Wish_List_-_OpenMoko_Sounds]] [[User:Javiroman]] Aug 18 11:01:06 I was creating them as per the Wiki (quilt new, quilt edit, quilt refresh etc.) The patch seems to be in the right place (patches/openmoko-HEAD) and a 'make setup' seems to apply it doesn't seem to take Aug 18 11:01:40 hmm.. is the wiki getting spammed? Aug 18 11:01:48 (A bit of background: I'm attempting to add in a package to the build. I add a task to the list in trunk/oe/packages/tasks/task-openmoko.bb and have a recipie in trunk/oe/packages/openmoko-base/extd_svn.bb) Aug 18 11:04:28 http://www.pastebin.ca/662118 shows the 'make setup' in which the patch (extd) seems to be applied but if then run a make it doesn't attempt to build the package (and a make build-package-extd states that the package is unknown) Aug 18 11:04:39 jgm: if you're building om2007.2, then the openmoko svn is not used. Aug 18 11:04:48 you want to put the patch in openembedded-HEAD Aug 18 11:05:11 Ah, that would do it Aug 18 11:05:15 Will give it a shot, thanks Aug 18 11:05:16 CM: that's building the wrong kernel Aug 18 11:05:27 rwhitby: Oh, ok. Hmm.. Aug 18 11:05:55 CM: what was your command line (it was missing from the pastebin) Aug 18 11:06:06 make openmoko-devel-image Aug 18 11:06:54 Basically I've done make update ; make setup ; make openmoko-devel-image Aug 18 11:07:16 I haven't touched anything, just started with the latest makefile and let it download everything. Aug 18 11:07:23 weird Aug 18 11:07:35 give it pre-build images for linux from openmoko? Aug 18 11:07:58 i only will see the new gui :) Aug 18 11:07:59 rwhitby: My local.conf http://rafb.net/p/5ElDNj92.html Aug 18 11:08:06 and test a bit Aug 18 11:08:08 no more ;) Aug 18 11:08:13 *not Aug 18 11:08:25 Henrikw, yes Aug 18 11:08:28 Neither I or ScaredyCat managed to build with rm_work because of circular dependencies Aug 18 11:08:50 CM: perhaps the bbmask removing uboot is causing the moko kernel to be unbuildable, so it is falling back to a different one. Aug 18 11:09:00 Ah, I'll try that Aug 18 11:09:17 the circular deps should be fixed now - update-bitbake to get it Aug 18 11:09:24 (thanks to RP) Aug 18 11:09:30 :) Aug 18 11:09:58 "make remove-work" will clean up an existing build after you re-enable rm_work Aug 18 11:10:08 I got 15GB back that way. Aug 18 11:10:14 Hehe.. Nice Aug 18 11:10:23 I have 430gb free still, but anyway Aug 18 11:10:37 rwhitby: great that worked. I'll make a note in Wiki for now and will clean it up properly when OM2007.2 goes official Aug 18 11:10:41 yeah, mines a laptop disk unfortunately. Aug 18 11:11:27 I'm just sorting out my new machine, going to pick up 3 750GB disks so should have some free space for a while :) Aug 18 11:11:50 rwhitby: I put in the uboot mask because people complained that it failed to build, and I had planed to leave the build on and go do something else Aug 18 11:12:14 jgm: I have one 500, and two 200 in raid 1 Aug 18 11:13:12 Yeah will probably have one primary, one secondary (nightly rsync) and one scratch/junk (in an attempt to cut down on housekeeping) Aug 18 11:13:21 rwhitby: It's building now :) Aug 18 11:13:28 Not the kernel, but something at least Aug 18 11:13:43 rwhitby: BTW the flash-neo-local target doesn't work any more because of the new image locations Aug 18 11:13:58 jgm: have you tried in the last 18 hours? Aug 18 11:14:10 Nope, will grab a new makefile and check it out Aug 18 11:14:25 I think I fixed that last night Aug 18 11:14:39 * CM leaves bitbake building and goes to town Aug 18 11:14:41 * jgm wishes that openmoko was as usable/advanced as mokomakefile ;) Aug 18 11:15:17 * CM hands jgm a tissue to wipe the brown nose. ;) :P Aug 18 11:15:26 heh Aug 18 11:15:56 rwhitby: Thanks once again though. I'd be nowhere without your makefile :) Aug 18 11:16:21 Along with most people trying to develop, I suspect Aug 18 11:16:27 I'd put up a paypal link, but I figure that getting a freebie GTA02 will do ;-) Aug 18 11:16:48 Hehe Aug 18 11:17:55 The MokoMakefile builds on two years of nslu2-linux Master Makefile development, so I've got a bit of an idea on how to tame bitbake/OE by now ... Aug 18 11:18:36 and since it's the way that i build my own stuff, it's not too much of an extra effort to maintain it. Aug 18 11:18:47 I'm grateful that someone has, I can vaguely write recipies but it's still a black art to me Aug 18 11:19:29 I only tame it from the outside - the insides are also black magic to me. Aug 18 11:19:43 (that's when I point to RP) Aug 18 11:21:07 rwhitby: is there a version number in the Makefile? I just did a 'make update-makefile' and it looks like flash-neo-local still refers to the wrong place (tmp/deploy/images rather than tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01) Aug 18 11:21:42 HI@ll Aug 18 11:22:10 jgm: "make check-makefile" will always tell you if you have the latest Aug 18 11:22:38 and yes, flash-neo-local still needs fixing. Aug 18 11:23:36 rwhitby: Have to admit I can't see much difference between check-makefile and update-makefile on-screen. I assume that it's doing something else behind the scenes but I didn't get an "up to date" message Aug 18 11:24:07 jgm: it would have shown you a diff if there were updates you didn't have yet. Aug 18 11:24:47 Ah, okay Aug 18 11:25:46 openmoko: 03rwhitby 07OM-2007.2 * r130 10mokomakefile/Makefile: Fixed the flash-neo-local and qemu-copy-package targets to look in the right place for 2007.2 build output. Aug 18 11:25:54 Try check-makefile now to see it in action Aug 18 11:27:59 * jgm checks-makefile Aug 18 11:28:27 wait, so should rm_work be turned on or off? Aug 18 11:28:31 wait, so should rm_work be turned on or off? Aug 18 11:28:33 on Aug 18 11:28:45 Cool Aug 18 11:29:10 make sure you update-bitbake to get the fix Aug 18 11:29:24 you should have rev913 for bitbake Aug 18 11:30:11 make check-makefile; make update-bitbake Aug 18 11:30:52 you usually want update-makefile, unless you have local changes that you want to preserve and do the changes reported by check-makefile manually Aug 18 11:31:10 (update-makefile will intentionally blow away any local changes to the Makefile) Aug 18 11:31:36 what i want to do is catch up with building a turnkey image Aug 18 11:31:52 make setup ; make update ; make all Aug 18 11:31:55 i do not want to make any local changes until i've at least been able to successfully complete a first build. Aug 18 11:32:39 and so far its been 4 days of failure. Aug 18 11:32:52 i have to say that the complexity of openembedded sure makes for some fun times .. Aug 18 11:33:40 yeah, I've previously predicted that some people will long for the good old days when there was an openmoko svn overlay ;-) Aug 18 11:39:52 i can imagine that being a lot more fun anyway Aug 18 11:44:19 just as an UI example of jabber-based mobile presence stuff: Aug 18 11:44:20 14:42 < topyli> a screenshot of the jaiku-powered address book on my phone: http://i9.tinypic.com/6cmu72d.jpg Aug 18 11:44:23 14:43 < topyli> are my friends online? is their phone in meeting or silet profile? what are they up to? what's their location? Aug 18 11:44:48 14:43 < topyli> i can see when they're busy next time based on their calendar data Aug 18 11:44:52 14:44 < topyli> i can also see if any of our mutual friends are in bluetooth range to them Aug 18 11:48:01 for a minute there I thought he knew someone called Rivita Aug 18 11:49:08 what are the ERROR: QA issue: sanity test failures? Aug 18 12:06:45 I fixed my svn problem Aug 18 12:06:54 turns out I had a custom version on this box that I forgot about Aug 18 12:07:12 oops Aug 18 12:13:25 finally got gprs working by copying ppp config files from my computer Aug 18 12:14:36 local gprs or via bluetooth from another phone? :) Aug 18 12:14:42 local Aug 18 12:15:00 goodie Aug 18 12:16:02 there's something weird with authentication, a reason why other config files don't work even though they seem reasonable Aug 18 12:16:03 should really configure both (since my usual sim has unlimited gprs) Aug 18 12:17:04 are the instructions for ppp over bluetooth available somewhere? Aug 18 12:19:18 for some reason, pppd is failing with NO CARRIER every second time Aug 18 12:22:31 tuukkah, I have that very same thing with my nokia n-gage through bluetooth Aug 18 12:23:20 NO CARRIER? for me it's with internal modem Aug 18 12:23:45 Yes. And I mean, from my desktop or my laptop to my n-gage. Aug 18 12:23:59 most likely from the neo as well, but haven't tried yet Aug 18 12:24:33 hmm, so would it be a problem in the GSM chips? Aug 18 12:24:46 that's a theory Aug 18 12:24:58 i haven't seen it with my nokia 6021 Aug 18 12:25:55 or pppd and the usual chatscripts one sees floating around leave it in some funny state, but that'd seem weird Aug 18 12:26:30 any ideas on how to convince mrxvt to use font sizes below 8? Aug 18 12:26:34 ok, pppd thinks user "" means "fic-gta01" Aug 18 12:28:15 thus a nice chap-secrets line: * * "" * Aug 18 12:29:35 Kliment: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#My_mrxvt_.28terminal.29_fonts_are_huge. Aug 18 12:29:41 i have #include "pin.h", but, i get undefined reference to `pin_init` when doing standalone Makefile build, http://free-opensource.qvantel.net/mediawiki/index.php/OpenMoko_Hello_World_Debian#Standalone_Makefile Aug 18 12:32:12 any suggestions? Aug 18 12:33:29 CM: thank you Aug 18 12:34:10 CM: however without a working buildenv that doesn't really save me :( Aug 18 12:41:19 :( all the phone providers in austria are rubbish.. Aug 18 12:49:54 How do Aug 18 12:50:05 mjr, it helped to add this line to my gprs-disconnect-chat: "NO CARRIER" "" \ Aug 18 12:50:54 tuukkah, okiedokie Aug 18 12:52:31 now how to update the /etc/resolv.conf properly? i use ppp option "usepeerdns" but it writes to /var/run/ppp/resolv.conf Aug 18 12:54:15 Hm, UPS's 0800 phone number is giving me a busy tone Aug 18 12:55:10 And thus I have no way of finding why the tracking page says "NO ONE ANSWERED THE PHONE WHEN UPS CALLED" when my cell phone never rang, and "THE RECEIVER DID NOT HAVE FUNDS AVAILABLE ON THE 1ST DELIVERY ATTEMPT" when no delivery attempt was made Aug 18 12:55:45 tuukkah: you could ln -s /etc/resolv.conf to /var/run/ppp/resolv.conf Aug 18 12:55:45 tuukkah: it's supposed to be updated by ppp's post-up script Aug 18 12:56:04 tuukkah: which should read from that file to know what to put on /etc/resolv.conf Aug 18 12:58:13 i see. perhaps we'll want to use something like resolvconf and dnsmasq Aug 18 13:00:37 anyone worked with libgsmd applications? Aug 18 13:01:32 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:MokoMakefile]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Paris]] [[User:Zitune]] [[Talk:OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Braunschweig]] [[Main_Page]] [[MokoMakefile]] Aug 18 13:03:59 What's the command to control the backlight on the neo? Aug 18 13:04:15 jgm: echo? Aug 18 13:04:30 Okay, so what's the path? Aug 18 13:04:33 (please don't say /bin) Aug 18 13:04:59 jgm: I assume the backlight class device is used, you will have a backlight dir in /sys Aug 18 13:05:02 ya Aug 18 13:05:14 echo "3000" >/sys/class/backlight/gta01-bl/brightness Aug 18 13:05:26 (iirc) Aug 18 13:05:52 * zecke mentally prepares to upload 300mb to google Aug 18 13:07:07 Ta Aug 18 13:11:54 * * OM Bug 715 has been created by kresp0(AT)yahoo.es Aug 18 13:11:56 * * user Bsknuii is a spammer Aug 18 13:11:57 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=715 Aug 18 13:13:48 zecke: iirc you don't need to Aug 18 13:14:08 zecke: a link to the code should be sufficient (it was last year) Aug 18 13:24:01 hello, before starting to build my own images, where's a good setup of images to try out? Aug 18 13:25:04 jarkkol: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko Aug 18 13:30:54 mjr: lähdössä nyt Aug 18 13:51:39 top 'o the morn Aug 18 13:52:35 yo Aug 18 14:12:25 Good morning! Aug 18 14:17:24 My Cannon camera is able to put the scene in landscape mode when the camera is rotated. Is this done with accelerometers or mercury switches? Aug 18 14:18:13 Would be nice if we could do this with the Neo... Aug 18 14:19:00 DuekOfUrl: this will be possible with the GTA02 by sensing the tilt with the accelerometers Aug 18 14:19:11 cool! Aug 18 14:19:18 GTA02: also has hardware screen rotation Aug 18 14:19:53 with the GPU? Aug 18 14:19:57 only problem is Aug 18 14:20:00 it doesnt have a camera Aug 18 14:20:01 :) Aug 18 14:20:13 a rather serious shortcoming today Aug 18 14:20:25 aye Aug 18 14:20:28 since the lowest end 3G phone for $100 has two Aug 18 14:20:39 Not a shortcoming from my point of view. Aug 18 14:20:40 maybe future openmoko phones will fix that Aug 18 14:20:42 :) Aug 18 14:20:44 I don't like the cameras. Aug 18 14:20:49 some people hate cameras Aug 18 14:20:53 Like me Aug 18 14:20:55 hmm i thought it had camera :/ Aug 18 14:20:58 It's like a "day bed" Aug 18 14:21:01 some who work in secure environments literally have bigt problems with phones with cameras Aug 18 14:21:19 a compromise between two totally different domains that fails equally at both. Aug 18 14:21:25 bringing a phone into a secure environment to begin with is insane Aug 18 14:21:34 raster: I'm one who isn't supposed to bring cameras to work Aug 18 14:21:50 Writchie: The entire plant and parking lot where I work is secure. Aug 18 14:22:00 Writchie: ion this day and age - your mobile phones follows u everywhere Aug 18 14:22:04 irrespective Aug 18 14:22:06 its a lifeline Aug 18 14:22:25 It's a necessary toy (at least that's my statement on the neo) Aug 18 14:22:42 if peolpe use their phone for calendaring Aug 18 14:22:44 or other things Aug 18 14:22:47 u suddenmly lose that Aug 18 14:22:49 or calling.... Aug 18 14:22:52 because of the exisetnce of a camera Aug 18 14:22:58 then u need to get another device for that Aug 18 14:23:03 and then u have 2 Aug 18 14:23:03 or 3 Aug 18 14:23:09 and just fill your pockets with them Aug 18 14:23:10 Or unplug the camera. Aug 18 14:23:14 or forget appointments.... Aug 18 14:23:44 The only REAL justification I've seen for a camera on a phone is to take pictures of an auto accident immediately.... Aug 18 14:23:57 then you don't understand the use cases Aug 18 14:24:02 but, disposable digital cameras are ~$20 these days, so just put them in the glovebox Aug 18 14:24:08 but the phones does have usb so you could always hook up a camera to it? Aug 18 14:24:50 Writchie: Perhaps, but more likely, I just never seem to take picture. :-) Aug 18 14:24:55 pictures. Aug 18 14:25:07 sagacis: no - taking photos of the hot chick you met at the club Aug 18 14:25:12 along with her phone number Aug 18 14:25:13 and email Aug 18 14:25:14 is a good idea Aug 18 14:25:20 grainy pictures in a dark room? Aug 18 14:25:23 especially when u add 5 or 6 a night Aug 18 14:25:25 and u forget Aug 18 14:25:36 Besides, my wife would object. :P Aug 18 14:25:37 "was amy the hot blonde one? or the short-haired brunette?" Aug 18 14:25:38 :) Aug 18 14:25:52 do not deny the usefulness of a camera Aug 18 14:25:54 imho Aug 18 14:25:59 we should add a 5mpixel or so one Aug 18 14:26:00 frankly Aug 18 14:26:07 Yes, with a real lense Aug 18 14:26:08 lens Aug 18 14:26:16 i dont like carrying a cemra, phone, blackberyy and ipod in pockets when travelling Aug 18 14:26:16 Cameras - even VGA ones - have much more use than no camera. Aug 18 14:26:19 That's where the problem come in. Slow CCD, tiny lens, etc. Aug 18 14:26:20 i'd like to take GOOD snaps Aug 18 14:26:29 with my 1 universal pocket-dwelling device Aug 18 14:26:45 I do not want to add more than $20 to the price for a camera. Aug 18 14:26:57 I think the idea of a complete integrated device is the ideal target.... Aug 18 14:26:58 A good VGA camera. Aug 18 14:26:59 here in jp Aug 18 14:27:05 u get phones with 5mpix cameras Aug 18 14:27:16 that are about the same lens and res wise as mid-range digi cams Aug 18 14:27:25 and u basically maybe see an extra $50 in the price Aug 18 14:27:35 Maybe I'm too old. Of everybody I know with a camera in their phone (pretty much everyone but me), only one even knows HOW to take pix. Aug 18 14:27:38 but that merans u dont have to spend $300 on the camera too Aug 18 14:27:47 sagacis: agreed Aug 18 14:28:02 imho a device with as many inputsd and abilites as possible, hardware-wise is a good idea Aug 18 14:28:02 Heck, I take more pix with their phones than they do... Aug 18 14:28:05 the rest then is software Aug 18 14:28:12 Of course, that's not a fault of the hw Aug 18 14:28:47 It would need to take decent video for it to really be useful. Aug 18 14:28:55 At least 12 fps 320x240 Aug 18 14:29:30 no Aug 18 14:29:31 I'm not sure if my message is received,so resending it: Aug 18 14:29:32 Hi folks, what's the best way to develop applications of openmoko. How can I only update only the necessary parts of the code repo and focus on a specific application? Aug 18 14:29:35 should be much better Aug 18 14:29:41 vga @ 30fps at least Aug 18 14:30:18 Is the "overlay" technique still preferred? Aug 18 14:30:38 overlay for video? Aug 18 14:30:48 No, sorry. I was responding to emre_ indirectly. Aug 18 14:31:24 is it true: there are no accelerometers in the neo1973? Aug 18 14:31:28 saga: what's the overlay technique? Aug 18 14:31:39 torpor: none in GTA01, two in GTA02. Aug 18 14:31:49 ok Aug 18 14:31:50 thx. Aug 18 14:33:09 i'm reading the monotone and bitbake tutorials.. do I really need to know all about them to write/test stuff? Aug 18 14:33:10 * sagacis is looking for the wiki page on setting up a bitbake overlay Aug 18 14:33:14 Photo Messaging stat's 22% DE,FR - 30% IT,ES,UK - 17% of subscribers U.S. - rolling 3 month average Aug 18 14:33:25 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course Aug 18 14:33:45 Writchie: photo messaging is so last week Aug 18 14:33:56 in japan video calls are cheap and plentifukl Aug 18 14:34:15 emre_: That should get you started. It works well. Aug 18 14:34:25 anyone who thinks that there are no applications for cameras on cell phones clearly has a very poor imagination. Aug 18 14:34:39 i've built apps for clients whose entire interface starts with the camera Aug 18 14:34:45 emre_: but, it might be out of date if you are using a different mokomakefile from the one in use when the page was written Aug 18 14:34:49 torpor: agreed Aug 18 14:34:49 saga: I think that's for new applications. when I want to edit for example openmoko-today, can I use that? Aug 18 14:34:50 (claims adjusters, engineers, et al.) Aug 18 14:35:01 Oh, no, osry. Aug 18 14:35:27 emre_: Yes, you can by copying it over (I believe), but you can also just modify the code in-situ. Aug 18 14:35:32 where it is... Aug 18 14:36:01 When you are happy with the changes, you can post a PATCH to the mailing list to get it integrated, assuming it meets scrutiny Aug 18 14:36:38 I want to fix the bugs I face with and send the diffs back (the std. way) but it is really consuming to try to understand all this bitbake/monotone and moko specific stuff. Aug 18 14:37:00 emre_: This is a very old page about it http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freshman_todo Aug 18 14:37:39 emre_: I am right with you. But be careful changing openmoko- apps. Others are working furiously on it. Aug 18 14:38:01 You don't want to duplicate somebody else's effort. Are you using the 2007.2 version? Aug 18 14:38:10 yes, 2007.2 Aug 18 14:38:37 most of the bugs are a couple lines long, so an update and creating a patch is really trivial and probably easily merge-able.. Aug 18 14:38:48 torpor: I understand. I took care of my concerns by buying a P1, or maybe also a P2. I'm just whiney. Aug 18 14:39:01 if it would be svn or cvs it would be trivial ;) Aug 18 14:39:04 emre_: Is there a Bugzilla bug for what you fixed? Aug 18 14:39:11 It's svn, right? Aug 18 14:39:22 is it svn? Aug 18 14:39:24 mtn diff Aug 18 14:39:29 same like svn Aug 18 14:39:30 Does anyone know what the bitbake package for gsmd is? I assumed it was gsmd bit a 'bitback -c unpack gsmd' doesn't seem to provide me with any source files Aug 18 14:39:31 for openmoko-today? Aug 18 14:39:56 right, that's svn Aug 18 14:40:03 That's what I thought. Aug 18 14:40:28 libgsmd Aug 18 14:40:42 i guess i'm confused. ok, one question, right now it is compiling it. and it seems that it is downloading perl packages. why is it always redownloading them again and again? Aug 18 14:40:44 emre_: You can make a bug for what you fixed in Bugzilla and post the patch, or post it to an already existing bug Aug 18 14:40:45 rwhitby: announcement ETA sunday Aug 18 14:41:00 mickeyl: it's sunday here already :-) Aug 18 14:41:30 pre-annoucement now? Aug 18 14:41:43 * sagacis is holding his breath Aug 18 14:42:06 mickeyl: I think the makefile is good to go. I'll just need to mv trunk to branches/2007.1 and branches/2007.2 to trunk, edit a couple of lines in the makefile, and we're done. Aug 18 14:42:07 emre_: Are you building from the correct directory? Aug 18 14:42:08 I was beta-testing video-cellphones 6 years ago. Aug 18 14:42:27 for the UK network "3" Aug 18 14:42:30 yay! then we'll only have one build path, right? Aug 18 14:42:40 rwhitby: cool Aug 18 14:42:55 * rwhitby goes to bed Aug 18 14:43:06 rwhitby: 'nite Aug 18 14:43:39 i've downloaded as it is written in the wiki (the nslu2 way). then after a while i typed "make update" and make openmoko-image. Aug 18 14:43:54 noiddd: cameras on phones are standard now Aug 18 14:43:57 very few dont have them Aug 18 14:44:05 its almost expected equipment Aug 18 14:44:08 emre_: OK. Aug 18 14:44:10 I agree. Aug 18 14:44:25 emre_: are you sure it's same package? Aug 18 14:44:25 raster: So is dialing. :D Aug 18 14:44:55 actually Aug 18 14:45:05 i'd love some ocr stuff in the camera Aug 18 14:45:12 when someone has a number writtne down Aug 18 14:45:16 and u need to dial it Aug 18 14:45:20 just point camera - press button Aug 18 14:45:22 anyone has know-how or has worked with libgsmd applications? Aug 18 14:45:24 and it dials Aug 18 14:45:52 emre_: just make image and then you can follow 'How to create a OE development shell for interactive compiling/debugging' in OE FAQ to rebuild and test the patched app Aug 18 14:46:29 maybe mount something over nfs to not copy the app over and over again Aug 18 14:46:46 hmm, ynezz,I think that's the answer i was looking for.. Aug 18 14:46:54 let me read it, tnx. Aug 18 14:47:04 sure you can also use bitbake -c compile Aug 18 14:47:33 ynezz: ok. Aug 18 14:48:19 mbuf: what are you trying to do? Aug 18 14:48:35 Writchie, any suggestions on, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-August/001327.html Aug 18 14:50:41 question: what does pulseaudio do exactly ? Aug 18 14:53:36 mbuf: pin.h is in the same directory as libgsmd.h - you might try #include Aug 18 14:54:25 Writchie: it's more linker problem Aug 18 14:55:12 but is found lgsm_init Aug 18 14:55:40 s/is/it/ Aug 18 14:55:41 Writchie meant: but it found lgsm_init Aug 18 14:57:56 it's not in lib then? maybe it's private function? Aug 18 14:58:23 looking at the source now, it doesn't include pin.h Aug 18 14:58:29 ynezz, apt, that's correct; i have libgsmd in PKG, so i thought it should include it? Aug 18 14:59:21 Odd. For some reason my neo isn't working with cdc_ether Aug 18 14:59:22 Writchie, it looks like a linker problem; /tmp/ccGflTnh.o: In function `gsm_init': main.c:136 undefined reference to `pin_init' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status Aug 18 14:59:42 Bus 003 Device 024: ID 1241:1166 Aug 18 14:59:45 is right? Aug 18 15:00:58 mbuf: objdump -t tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/libgsmd.a | grep init Aug 18 15:01:07 there's no such function in that lib Aug 18 15:01:12 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[BlueTooth]] [[Bluetooth]] [[USB]] [[Openmoko]] [[APN]] [[Manually_using_GPRS]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Braunschweig]] [[Talk:OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Braunschweig]] [[User:DanielWillmann]] [[Main_Page/zhanlangongsi]] [[Main_Page/xieji]] and other changes Aug 18 15:01:58 ynezz: pin.c doesn't include pin.h so it may not be external Aug 18 15:02:16 dunno, just looking in the lib Aug 18 15:02:35 mbuf: objdump -t tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/libgsmd.a | grep pin Aug 18 15:02:52 returns lgsm_pin_name, lgsm_pin Aug 18 15:03:11 ynezz: what i'm looking at may be too old. Aug 18 15:03:30 i'm using fresh om2007.2 build Aug 18 15:04:03 there's a dozen patches probably missing that may now be in om2007.2 Aug 18 15:04:13 really? Aug 18 15:04:22 i've seen them applied Aug 18 15:04:40 if you mean the quilt series, about 12 patches or so Aug 18 15:04:45 mickeyl: we should talk about audio gear some time soon .. i'm working with freecell on some new audio hardware, have been working for a DSP-related company for the past 6 years putting linux into embedded studio gear .. now i'm on my own and i wanna make a new instrument .. Aug 18 15:04:50 then you have them, the're just not in the build i'm looking at Aug 18 15:04:55 which was a 2007.1 Aug 18 15:05:07 ah Aug 18 15:05:20 i'm waiting for 2007.2 is stabilize before a spin wheels Aug 18 15:05:48 stable as in a known baseline Aug 18 15:06:09 well the development is done there already Aug 18 15:06:31 ynezz, objdump -t /home/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/lib/libgsmd.a | grep pin --> libgsmd_pin.c, lgsm_pin_name, lgsm_pin, pin_type_names Aug 18 15:07:04 pin_init? Aug 18 15:07:28 mbuf: it's om2007.1 right? Aug 18 15:07:41 ynezz, how do i find out? Aug 18 15:07:56 ynezz, it is an old build, been weeks since i updated it; Aug 18 15:08:52 i'm using om2007.2, build from 2 hours ago Aug 18 15:09:03 so that's why you've different output Aug 18 15:09:22 you should have to use the latest i think if you're reporting bugs to bugzilla Aug 18 15:09:48 ynezz, noy reporting bugs as of now Aug 18 15:09:57 *not Aug 18 15:10:22 you can of course, but it will be hard to help you Aug 18 15:10:26 or fix it... Aug 18 15:10:51 ynezz want me to update to 2007.2? Aug 18 15:10:59 do what you want :) Aug 18 15:11:34 it looks like there may be a mokomake for 2007.2 in a couple of days Aug 18 15:11:56 s/days/day/ i think :) Aug 18 15:12:07 me hopes Aug 18 15:12:19 but it's already possible to use MasterMakefile to build om2007.2 easily Aug 18 15:12:19 can is somehow make /dev/ttySAC0 available over bluetooth so remote devices can use it for dial-up networking? Aug 18 15:12:29 easily? Aug 18 15:12:39 as in make openmoko-image :) Aug 18 15:13:03 maybe i'll give that a try later today Aug 18 15:13:23 if I were you I would use latest mokomakefile Aug 18 15:13:37 there's a possibility to switch to om2007.2 already Aug 18 15:13:54 it's dual now, .1 and .2 Aug 18 15:14:03 but haven't tried it myself Aug 18 15:14:16 that's my understanding, but it looks like were a couple of loose ends Aug 18 15:14:42 i'll probably give it a shot later Aug 18 15:15:47 ynezz, if you have the time, can you compile that simple code and tell me if it builds fine on OM2007.2? Aug 18 15:16:15 because the dialer works fine on OM2007.1, and i have spoken for atleast 15 minutes Aug 18 15:16:59 sure but tommorow, now i'm going to football match and some beers :D Aug 18 15:17:41 q: I am trying to build a developer image using MokoMake. I'm getting this error: make[3]: *** [moko-gsmd-connection.lo] Error 1..FATAL: oe_runmake failed Aug 18 15:20:09 I'm building it on Feisty and i'm using this guide: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile Aug 18 15:20:27 ynezz, ok, no problem, thanks Aug 18 15:23:42 Writchie: have you done anything with D-Bus in libgsmd? Aug 18 15:25:25 jgm: I am starting first with a definition of the d-bus objects and methods Aug 18 15:25:41 i hope to have a first draft of this in a couple of days Aug 18 15:25:57 Cool, I've been building out an extensions system and the first hook that I've been playing with should sit in gsmd. Aug 18 15:26:30 i have trouble with implement first and design later ;) Aug 18 15:26:35 doesn't work for me Aug 18 15:27:00 There are design docs up on wiki for the extensions framework... Aug 18 15:27:21 sorry, wasn't referring to your stuff Aug 18 15:27:27 interesting, i try to use pin_init in /home/moko/openmoko/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/examples/openmoko-stylus-demo, and i get the same undefined reference to `pin_init` for OM2007.1 Aug 18 15:27:58 Fair enough. Aug 18 15:28:35 i'll go through your stuff on the wiki and factor it in. Aug 18 15:28:58 Anyway, the idea of this is to allow third parties to extend the existing functionality of openmoko without needing to understand the details of the system (and also to provide some layer of separation between the core and the 'additional' features) Aug 18 15:29:11 The initial doc is up on the wiki at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Extension_Framework but I would expect it to change a bit as things go on Aug 18 15:29:35 (I've already had feedback regarding the use of return codes to expand their range from the existing allow/don't allow) Aug 18 15:29:39 mbuf: where's the pin_init function defined? Aug 18 15:30:24 But anyway the basics of what I need for this particular piece is for gsmd to send a D-Bus call with the number that it is going to dial (just before it dials it) to allow extensions to change the number if required Aug 18 15:31:09 I also need to tidy up the diagram on the Wiki so that it more closely resembles reality, but I have details of the call to be made if you need the info Aug 18 15:31:12 What about - when an extension is started, it sends out a signal that it may want to modify dialled numbers? Aug 18 15:31:39 Kensan, in pin.h as external int pin_init(struct lgsm_handle *lh, const char *pin_preset); Aug 18 15:31:46 You need to have a central process that handles the extensions so that you can manage things like ordering, enable/disable, prefs and the like Aug 18 15:32:06 Plus this way you don't need to start all of the extensions at boot-time, just when they are needed (through use of D-Bus services) Aug 18 15:32:45 I'm basically meaning so that there is no delay. Aug 18 15:32:59 Loading something at dial time may be suboptimal. Aug 18 15:33:28 Only first time around, and if it proves to be an issue we could put a pref in extd (the extensions daemon) to load all registered extensions when it starts Aug 18 15:33:28 mbuf: there's no include files for that. (check /trunk/src/target/gsm/include/) Aug 18 15:33:40 A 'I'm in a state where I might be placing calls soon' might be nice. Aug 18 15:33:50 For example, when the dialer starts, it might call this. Aug 18 15:34:01 or announce this. Aug 18 15:34:11 Kensan, this is what i am trying to do, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-August/001327.html Aug 18 15:34:27 Sorry - I'm just wibbling - without reading what's there already. Aug 18 15:34:47 True, but that's only for the one method that we've discussed so far. There will eventually be lots of different methods available (answering calls, receiving messages, etc.) so we'd have to build up a(nother) rules system to work out when to pre-load extensions Aug 18 15:34:48 Kensan, it is a local file that is used in libgsmd-tool, so i used it in my test main.c file (#include "pin.h") Aug 18 15:35:02 Not a problem, but I'd like to get the existing system in place before optimising it :) Aug 18 15:35:12 Kensan, i am assuming it is a function in libgsmd.a that talks with the GSM unit Aug 18 15:35:15 mbuf: yes, but the header file you are including does not define the pin_init function. Aug 18 15:35:25 mbuf: no it is not. Aug 18 15:35:46 Kensan, ohh Aug 18 15:35:58 mbuf: it's in /trunk/src/target/gsm/src/util/pin.h Aug 18 15:36:48 hi guys Aug 18 15:36:49 Kensan, isn't that the same as what libgsmd-tool uses it? Aug 18 15:37:24 no, libgsmd-tool is including "pin.h" which it searches in the same folder as libgsmd-tool.c. Aug 18 15:38:56 jgm: what i'm attempting to do is to define an abstract opaque dbus interface to the UMTS/GSM MT functionality. Aug 18 15:39:02 Kensan, so if i am using a standalone application to initialize the GSM, i don't need to use it? Aug 18 15:39:19 am a n00b Aug 18 15:39:28 jgm: conceptually, this is a layer above libgsm/gsmd Aug 18 15:39:47 hey y propeitry gsm stack guys Aug 18 15:39:50 Kensan, the same with event_init? Aug 18 15:39:53 ?? Aug 18 15:39:53 sree: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Aug 18 15:40:02 jgm: the idea is to allow the application layers above to focus on their particular subsets Aug 18 15:40:22 jgm: without getting buried in the complexities of umts/gsm Aug 18 15:40:22 mbuf: I don't know what needs to be done to correctly initialize gsm Aug 18 15:40:53 jgm: the layers below can then sort things out over time without impacting all the myriad of applications above Aug 18 15:40:55 Kensan, since libgsmd-tool is an application that works with libgsmd API, I thought I could use it as a reference for my test application Aug 18 15:42:02 mbuf: sure, I imagine that you need to do the pin-handling since you can't get access if the sim is pin-locked. Aug 18 15:42:47 mbuf: you can simply use pin.c pin.h from /trunk/src/target/gsm/src/util/ and go from there. Aug 18 15:43:16 mbuf: put them in the same folder as your gsm-application and then #include "pin.h" will include the proper header file. Aug 18 15:45:57 Kensan, awesome! it works! Aug 18 15:46:12 Kensan, so i needed pin.c, that was the key Aug 18 15:46:52 mbuf: great :) Aug 18 15:47:42 mbuf: maybe you want to post the solution to the ML as a replay to your own mail. Aug 18 15:47:56 reply Aug 18 15:48:26 Kensan, i was doing that actually :) Aug 18 15:50:11 Kensan, oops, i mentioned in the e-mail as Kensan, sorry, what is your real name? Aug 18 15:51:01 hi Aug 18 15:51:26 Writchie: hmm... thinking about it then perhaps this does sit at a lower layer, which makes sense. Question then is: are you the guy to add this to gsmd or should someone else? I don't have experience of D-Bus outside of the glib bindings so wouldn't know how to go about adding this in, even though it is conceptually quite simple (just a single D-Bus call and handling of the results) Aug 18 15:52:07 mbuf: Adrian Rüegsegger Aug 18 15:52:33 Kensan, thanks for your help Aug 18 15:52:42 jgm: there is a stong desire to keep the libgsm/gsmd dbus free Aug 18 15:52:52 Yeah, thought there might be Aug 18 15:53:12 mbuf: glad I could help. Aug 18 15:53:24 this implies that the daemon that provides this Mobile terminal layer will use libgsm/gsmd Aug 18 15:53:31 at least initially. Aug 18 15:53:36 Problem then is unless there is only a single entry point it's going to be hard to get all of them to follow the standard way of doing things Aug 18 15:54:19 jgm: that's one of the problems with the current approach Aug 18 15:54:33 there has to be an entity that arbitrates Aug 18 15:54:44 Is that what you're aiming to provide? Aug 18 15:55:12 i'm hoping to define the complete layer below MMI apps Aug 18 15:55:46 Hmm... but then I would assume that you don't arbitrate access to gsmd as applications can side-step you Aug 18 15:56:16 the present architecture permits a free for all. Aug 18 15:56:42 there should really be a base that we can all work from .. Aug 18 15:57:09 i think there is consensus at the application layer that dbus is sufficient Aug 18 15:57:35 if libgsm eventually provides arbitration, then would cooperate with the layer that exports dbus Aug 18 15:57:48 Okay so you state that everyone should go through D-Bus with the caveat that if they don't then they have the potential of making a mess Aug 18 15:58:16 everyone going through d-bus will be assured of arbitration Aug 18 15:58:17 But surely at that stage then you are adding a D-Bus interface to gsmd, otherwise how do the D-Bus calls get translated to gsmd? Aug 18 15:59:05 first, libgsmd is the present exposed entity Aug 18 16:00:00 you can think of libgsmd as the c interface to the mobile termination Aug 18 16:01:05 What about a libgsmd-dbus alternative Aug 18 16:01:20 that implements the libgsmd layer, with dbus Aug 18 16:01:34 but the normal libgsmd stays there for applications which do not have dbus Aug 18 16:01:43 Hmm... so you have a service that accepts D-Bus methods, which makes calls to libgsmd functions (which then talks to gsmd through some not-yet-mentioned method)? Aug 18 16:03:26 (SpeedEvil: it sounds like that is what Writchie is talking about providing, I'm just a tad hazy on the interface at the lower level i.e. what talks to gsmd, and how?) Aug 18 16:04:31 SpeedEvil: because the layer is opaque, yes, it could replace libgsmd Aug 18 16:04:48 it could also replace gsmd at some point Aug 18 16:05:41 there is also a need to deal to with the audio Aug 18 16:05:54 * jgm considers putting a D-Bus call in to dialer for now as it sounds a lot simpler Aug 18 16:06:29 IMO the dialer should at least meet all basic GSM MMI functionality. Aug 18 16:06:49 the idea is permit this to be easily done through the dbus methods Aug 18 16:07:03 Trouble with implementing a lot of that in the dialer is that the dialer should fundamentally be a GUI to low-level APIs rather than containing any of the lower-level code itself Aug 18 16:07:19 jgm: absolutely Aug 18 16:07:32 Otherwise when someone wants to write dialer++ they have too much work to do to replicate dialer Aug 18 16:07:40 yeah Aug 18 16:07:50 jgm: and they surely get it wrong as well Aug 18 16:08:03 (Which gets hideous when you think that something like an IM app may want the ability to voice-call a user, for example) Aug 18 16:08:12 Hey well at least we're all thinking the same thing :) Aug 18 16:08:31 Or web-page to phone number, ... Aug 18 16:08:47 There really need to be several more URI schemas defined. Aug 18 16:08:52 We _need_ gps:// Aug 18 16:08:53 or circuit switched data call for encrypted end to end voice Aug 18 16:09:18 Unfortunately what we're all thinking is "this needs a lot more work" :( Aug 18 16:09:54 Writchie: are you doing some work on CSD end-to-end crypto? Aug 18 16:09:58 this is why, unfortunately, it is necessary to take account of all of UMTS/GSM and the universe of use cases when architecting the foundation Aug 18 16:10:09 Kensan: just enabling it Aug 18 16:10:27 VOIP, key managment?, push to talk, ... Aug 18 16:10:59 Writchie: I see. It would be quite interesting to discuss that issue. Aug 18 16:11:01 conference call, UMA, CLI. Aug 18 16:11:03 Yep and that's why I'm avoiding the whole area by doing the extensions thing, trying to keep this stuff a) separate and b) easy for other people to add to without needing to worry about that stuff Aug 18 16:11:35 SpeedEvil: both UMA and SIP Aug 18 16:11:39 yeah. Aug 18 16:40:32 hello Aug 18 16:40:49 When building the developer image i get: /home/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/include/gsmd/usock.h:429: error: field 'list' has incomplete type Aug 18 16:41:12 Anybody got an idea why? thanks Aug 18 16:41:33 missing header Aug 18 16:41:47 check to see what 'list' is supposed to be Aug 18 16:42:03 When launching openmoko ... it seems not find any icons ... someone has an idea ? Aug 18 16:42:03 then make sure that it's actually defined as such Aug 18 16:42:13 using the latest beta makefile, i'm on job 299 of 3542 .. with 5 gigs disk space left. think i'll need more? Aug 18 16:42:32 the source is: struct llist_head list; Aug 18 16:42:55 can someone who has run the makefile to conclusion tell me how big their moko folder became? Aug 18 16:43:26 torpor: > 6giga Aug 18 16:44:19 torpor: there's an estimate at the Mokomakefile page in the wiki Aug 18 16:44:35 torpor: which is higher than what it was before, so it probably has been updated recently Aug 18 16:45:55 torpor : 8.3 Go Aug 18 16:48:19 thx Aug 18 16:48:29 So I can conclude that there is a bug in the gsmd module - or is it just me having this problem? Aug 18 16:48:52 8.3 Go ... without icons Aug 18 16:48:55 :) Aug 18 16:49:31 jbl__: when did you start your compile? I have one from about 10 hours ago that build okay Aug 18 16:49:56 Also, is this using the 'new' mokomakefile for OM2007.2? Aug 18 16:50:20 I downloaded the code yesterday evening and started the build this morning Aug 18 16:51:00 jbl__ : be pqtient Aug 18 16:51:39 jbl__: which makefile? Things are transitioning (this weekend) from OM2007 to OM2007.2 so it may be that you're running the old (and possibly outdated) makefile Aug 18 16:53:18 jgm: how can I check this? Aug 18 16:53:31 torpor: I just checked my Om2007.2 build and it's just over 17GB Aug 18 16:53:57 jbl__:check the head of the Makefile, see if it says 'OPENMOKO_GENERATION = 2007.2' Aug 18 16:55:31 jgm, OM2007.1 was 8 GB for me; that is quite a big size Aug 18 16:56:24 jgm: There isen't a constant named "OPENMOKO_GENERATION" in my /home/moko/Makefile so I asume i'm using the old? Aug 18 16:56:49 torpor: I had 20GB free Aug 18 16:56:54 I now have 2.1 Aug 18 16:57:15 it's farkin hughe Aug 18 16:57:19 huge Aug 18 17:00:13 jbl__: Yep I suspect so Aug 18 17:00:31 Hate to say it, but you should probably start again with the new makefile :/ Aug 18 17:00:46 http://svn.nslu2-linux.org/svnroot/mokomakefile/branches/OM-2007.2/Makefile Aug 18 17:00:52 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[USB_Networking]] [[MokoMakefile]] Aug 18 17:00:57 jgm: Allright thanks. I'll try that Aug 18 17:01:15 mbuf: I'm not using +rm_work so perhaps that accounts for the size difference Aug 18 17:02:15 this works very smooth: http://svn.nslu2-linux.org/svnroot/mokomakefile/branches/OM-2007.2/Makefile Aug 18 17:04:26 i'm using this new makefile. Aug 18 17:04:33 18gigs you figure? Aug 18 17:06:48 anyone remember the name of that linux app that does a 'block view' of a disk, to show you the biggest files/folders graphically? Aug 18 17:06:48 kdirview, is it? or something .. ;) Aug 18 17:07:26 kdirstat Aug 18 17:08:49 cool thanks. Aug 18 17:10:59 NOTE: Running task 474 of 3542 (ID: 1609, /home/j/hak/openmoko/openembedded/packages/xorg-lib/libx11_1.1.2.bb, do_package) Aug 18 17:11:09 ^^^ going to assume that having 8gigs free from this point on will be okay .. Aug 18 17:12:23 Brave :) Aug 18 17:12:54 it mainly depends on the amount of sources you already have in your DL_DIR Aug 18 17:15:42 ** (openmoko-dialer:8411): WARNING **: Cannot load stock icon from Aug 18 17:15:42 theme : moko-contact-delete Aug 18 17:16:00 do i need to download a theme Aug 18 17:16:24 or is it some where in the copiling directory ? Aug 18 17:16:44 http://www.lab.telin.nl/~koolwaaij/showcase/gsmcells/ - this work for others? html only in ff Aug 18 17:20:38 they've got a wrong content-type in the http header Aug 18 17:21:53 Indeed. Aug 18 17:22:02 ff and lynx breaks. Aug 18 17:22:43 ie works! Aug 18 17:22:45 ... er Aug 18 17:22:57 * ScaredyCat slaps anrp Aug 18 17:23:14 also all thats on that site is a "old site message" Aug 18 17:23:37 new url is http://client338.lab.telin.nl:8080/wasp/jsp/CellStats.jsp Aug 18 17:23:48 ... which is also broken in moz Aug 18 17:24:01 talk about a fail web server Aug 18 17:24:06 works in ie -_- again Aug 18 17:24:18 openmoko: 03mickey * r2739 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c: neod: add screenshot entry to powerbutton popup menu Aug 18 17:24:19 2nd one works in ff Aug 18 17:32:57 mickey|dinner: Aug 18 17:32:58 -//#define DEBUG_THIS_FILE Aug 18 17:32:58 +#define DEBUG_THIS_FILE Aug 18 17:33:44 hehe Aug 18 17:34:22 I'm ashamed that our industry is so old and we still use printf for debugging... Aug 18 17:34:44 ... Aug 18 17:35:50 but I only wanted to point out that it probably accidently was enabled Aug 18 17:36:05 printf 4ever! Aug 18 17:36:20 rxr: I assumed that Aug 18 17:36:23 hey, at least it's better than iostreams Aug 18 17:36:43 Anybody have a web browser for the neo yet? Aug 18 17:37:42 I don't know if interactive debugging is to be blamed, but there needs to be a language where you can externally define which methods/branches should be traced without adding macros to the code all over the place... Aug 18 17:38:57 when is the package.gz file updated? Aug 18 17:39:05 how can I update it manually? Aug 18 17:39:33 sagacis you can use minimo - until openmoko finished theirs Aug 18 17:41:04 kristian-m: Got an ipkg, or should I get source and start building? Aug 18 17:41:44 Ghiottone: bitbake package-index will update the files Aug 18 17:42:26 rxr: do you have any plans to not require root permissions for t2? Aug 18 17:42:46 yes "plans" :-) Aug 18 17:42:56 but that will probably not realized this year Aug 18 17:43:10 rxr: by using some sort of virtual chroot with LD_PRELOAD? Aug 18 17:43:11 zecke: does OE require to be root or use something like fakeroot ? Aug 18 17:43:33 fakeroot for some tasks marked as such Aug 18 17:44:07 sagacis i've got one here but you'd have to solve dependencies anyway... Aug 18 17:45:07 Oh, hey, minimo is in there.... Started the bitbake Aug 18 17:45:28 zecke: in the last .2 image I flashed gsm-util (or tool, or what it was named) segfaults on the sms commands, don't know if that is known or fixed already Aug 18 17:45:31 how long does flashing a new u-boot take? Aug 18 17:45:35 but as we talk you might like to know ... Aug 18 17:46:07 zecke, thanks but I can't figure the command line. I tried it from the mokomakefile dir, setting cache, from build dir and package dir. any more tip? Aug 18 17:46:09 let me know if you want a backtrace Aug 18 17:46:42 rxr: all I know is that harald merged patches implementing SMS. E.g. I don't know if it is appreciated to file bug reports for such issues Aug 18 17:47:10 rxr: Not working at/for FIC/OpenMoko it is hard to judge but I would probably mail the backtrace to gsmd-devel Aug 18 17:47:43 zecke: what do you mean with "Not working at/for FIC/OpenMoko it is hard to judge" Aug 18 17:48:17 zecke: ah, ok - miss-associated your nick :_) Aug 18 17:48:23 re Aug 18 17:48:35 rxr: well, it is hard to judge if they prefer to be poked by irc, by mail, mailinglist or bugreport Aug 18 17:48:45 ferric: Do you have a debug board? Aug 18 17:48:52 zecke: yes yes, all fine :-) just mixed up the nick with someone else :-) Aug 18 17:49:41 Is it safe to flash the phone with an image you bulild with the MokoMakefile? Aug 18 17:49:43 Ghiottone: I have sadly never used the MokoMakefile, but I think there is an easy way to invoke bitbake commands Aug 18 17:50:44 gcb77_ you can backup the old image if unsure Aug 18 17:51:12 Ghiottone: looking at the Makefile make build-package-package-index could work Aug 18 17:51:15 gcb77_: yes Aug 18 17:51:39 mokomakefile just makes things easier to setup Aug 18 17:51:45 CM: yep Aug 18 17:51:58 ljp: who is David Bialer? Aug 18 17:52:13 zecke: why do you ask? :) Aug 18 17:52:17 CM: i just got my device and it is dying with a kernel panic Aug 18 17:52:18 so for emulation on a pc (linux) what is the best choice? Xoo, Xephyr or Qemu? or something else? Aug 18 17:52:21 cool... there's finally a real NEO in a truck heading my way Aug 18 17:52:25 ferric: Don Aug 18 17:52:41 ferric: Don't flash uboot, flash the kernel and rootfs Aug 18 17:52:56 ljp: I'm making up my mind if I should reply, as I'm currently talking with Knut anyway... Aug 18 17:52:59 meus: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU Aug 18 17:53:01 CM: ah. okay. Aug 18 17:53:10 ferric: But sure, if you have the board, flash the uboot too if you feel like it :) Aug 18 17:53:19 ferric: It only takes a few seconds Aug 18 17:53:20 tri_: so QEMU it is then. I guess i really have to install gcc 3.4 then.. Aug 18 17:53:32 * J-23 ... Aug 18 17:53:53 zecke: Partner Manager Aug 18 17:53:54 I'm going to start updating the VMWare image... make it current Aug 18 17:54:05 any ideas how I could make it smaller? Aug 18 17:54:20 CM: maybe for later, first step is to get it to boot :) Aug 18 17:54:24 ljp: ah, so Knut is only PM for Qt? Aug 18 17:54:30 for a start use an expanding disk Aug 18 17:54:45 make sure you zero it before you start Aug 18 17:54:50 Knut is community guy which does PR Aug 18 17:54:59 ferric: Follow the wiki, and pick a somewhat recent kernel and rootfs :) Aug 18 17:55:00 ScaredyCat: if I zero it, the disk expands to max Aug 18 17:55:28 ScaredyCat: but then it compresses good, so it doesn't matter Aug 18 17:55:44 well, that depends on your point of view... Aug 18 17:55:47 hi anyone has anyidea of the pinout for the debug board? i am looking for the uart pint outs Aug 18 17:55:51 What I'm aiming for is a ZIP file under 2GB Aug 18 17:56:08 or even better the schematic for the debug board Aug 18 17:56:10 if it uses less disk space whenit's running, more people will be happy Aug 18 17:57:12 ScaredyCat: good point... I'll see if there is a way to shrink it after creating a zero file Aug 18 17:57:16 Who else was it that had problems building webkit-gtk? Any way around it? Aug 18 17:57:40 Where I can find MTN? Aug 18 17:57:50 J-23: monotone.ca? Aug 18 17:57:56 J-23: What distro? Aug 18 17:58:19 CM: great - thank you. Aug 18 17:58:47 zecke: Any hint how I can get around this: http://rafb.net/p/Xn0mRd56.html Aug 18 17:58:56 CM: Fedora. Aug 18 17:59:11 zecke: Thanks. Aug 18 17:59:12 CM: I have webkit itssues Aug 18 17:59:34 ScaredyCat: Gotten around it? Aug 18 17:59:34 same problem... Aug 18 17:59:37 no Aug 18 17:59:42 :-/ Aug 18 17:59:55 I built my image before whoever updated the code broke it Aug 18 18:00:00 CM: yes, a reason to lock down webkit. a) set SRCDATE to tomorrow b) get a known revision Aug 18 18:00:23 zecke: ok, thanks Aug 18 18:00:26 CM: http://build.webkit.org/ Aug 18 18:00:37 a) doesn't work as TOT is broken... Aug 18 18:00:52 * J-23 tries to install MTN with RPM for SuSE Aug 18 18:01:29 CM: add ;rev=25125 to the SRC_URI(s) of webkit Aug 18 18:01:49 J-23: which SuSE? Aug 18 18:01:58 zecke: you work for trolltech ? Aug 18 18:02:25 rxr: no, if they would move their office away from adlershof I probably would Aug 18 18:02:42 rxr: I'm just a stupid student working part time at gmit-gmbh.de Aug 18 18:02:42 gcb77: 10.2, but it doesn't work... i try to build it from sources. Aug 18 18:03:29 J-23: The MokoMakefile works... theres a page on the wiki with workarounds Aug 18 18:03:48 I haven't MTN and I must install it :p Aug 18 18:04:02 ah... Aug 18 18:04:20 zecke: haha, yeah - I also love our current office in the center of berlin :-) Aug 18 18:04:29 can't fnd dfu-util? Aug 18 18:04:44 J-23: which MTN version are you trying to install? Aug 18 18:05:29 0.36 Aug 18 18:05:35 yeah compare hackescher markt to adlershof :} Aug 18 18:06:21 zecke anything else to do after setting the SRC_URIs? - remove the svn-dir? Aug 18 18:06:41 J-23: looks like I found a 0.35 suse rpm that worked Aug 18 18:06:58 I'm compiling it now... Aug 18 18:07:07 kristian-m: you can bump the PR to force a recheckout, or use bitbake -b the/webkitfile.bb -cfetch -f Aug 18 18:07:45 it's in repos... Aug 18 18:07:51 zecke thanks Aug 18 18:07:52 i have tried only mtn... Aug 18 18:08:17 and it's named "monotone" in repos... Aug 18 18:08:43 kristian-m: You can do a make clean-package-webkit-gtk too Aug 18 18:10:22 CM thanks, but i'm not using mokomakefile here Aug 18 18:11:02 I need to download sources from SVN to build OpenMoko? Aug 18 18:12:22 J-23: it depends. For app development on my desktop I just build the sources from the o-hand and OpenMoko svn Aug 18 18:12:36 MomoMakefile downloads sources, it works. Aug 18 18:16:43 CM: did that rev work for you? Aug 18 18:17:11 Moko* Aug 18 18:18:06 ScaredyCat: It has been compiling for about 15 minutes.. So it's promising at least :) Aug 18 18:18:52 :) Aug 18 18:18:55 * ScaredyCat tries Aug 18 18:29:38 ToT of webkit should compile again Aug 18 18:36:36 are there known problems with QEMU and gcc 4.x / SUSE 10.2? Aug 18 18:39:17 qemu and gcc4 dislike each other Aug 18 18:43:41 someb. with experience w. SuSE10.2 QEMU (included in distro) ... is there a chance to get it run with openmoko? Aug 18 18:44:50 hallo pH5 Aug 18 18:45:02 hi speerschleuder Aug 18 18:48:15 CM: are you getting 'QA' Errors? Aug 18 18:49:47 ERROR: QA issue: failed sanity test (reference to workdir or installed) Aug 18 18:52:23 Good night! Aug 18 18:54:27 OK, so I installed minimo, but I just get a blank white window when I launch. I've tried with "minimo" and "minimo http://google.com" Aug 18 18:54:54 sagacis try xrandr -o 1 Aug 18 18:55:03 k Aug 18 18:55:40 mhm. I guess everyone and his dog already asked, but is OE not building gcc-cross-initial-4.1.2-r4 a known problem? Aug 18 19:00:13 hi folks, can anyone tell me whether the debug board pinouts are public or not? becos I have spent 2 weeks searching for them. Aug 18 19:01:14 kristian-m: Thanks! Now I got it working. Can I get rid of the keyboard for reading purpsoes? Aug 18 19:01:23 mcmops: the qemu that comes with distributions only supports the main processor of neo, none of the other devices. You can run openmoko with that but for proper emulation you need qemu from openmoko team. Aug 18 19:01:32 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_San_Francisco]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Chicago]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Madrid]] [[P1_Owners]] [[User:Shadowjack]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Moscow]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups]] Aug 18 19:02:10 jipi there should be an image with pin description somewhere. - the debugboard only uses jtag - but there are other thing connected to the flex-cable on the neo side. Aug 18 19:02:10 mcmops: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU Aug 18 19:02:37 ScaredyCat: Didn't see if I did.. Was busy cleaning the apartment Aug 18 19:02:44 sagacis you can diable it the same way you enabled it or try killall openmoko-keyboard Aug 18 19:02:47 Some friends comming over now Aug 18 19:02:53 pfft... Aug 18 19:02:56 you lie.. Aug 18 19:02:59 Hehe Aug 18 19:03:00 you have no friends... Aug 18 19:03:05 you're here all the time Aug 18 19:03:06 Who's quick at scripts? Aug 18 19:03:09 :P Aug 18 19:03:18 ScaredyCat: Right back at ya! :-P Aug 18 19:03:25 oh so true Aug 18 19:03:27 :) Aug 18 19:03:47 * CM builds task 3019 of 4560 Aug 18 19:04:02 4519 of 4560 Aug 18 19:04:19 * ScaredyCat injects more bad code into CM's build Aug 18 19:04:23 jipi, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware#Debug_Connector Aug 18 19:04:24 Jiten: thanks saw link - but 10.2 ships whith gcc 4.1 so i'm unable to build it ...? Aug 18 19:04:43 * CM starts saving to a faster computer Aug 18 19:04:47 that was unecessarily well hidden on the wiki Aug 18 19:05:33 CM: I'm saving o a slower one :( Aug 18 19:05:43 mcmops: well, the only option that I can see is somehow get gcc 3.x installed and use that. Aug 18 19:05:50 NOTE: build 200708181931: completed Aug 18 19:06:02 gcc 4 and gcc 3 coexist on my debian etch installation very nicely. Aug 18 19:06:02 Jiten: ..:-<<<< Aug 18 19:06:29 I didn't even have to use any special tricks. Aug 18 19:06:51 jipi http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-August/009480.html Aug 18 19:06:56 suse 10.2 doesn;t have 3 in its repositories Aug 18 19:07:21 Jiten: sorry !! Aug 18 19:07:21 ScaredyCat: ok, I could understand having 4 as the default but ... Aug 18 19:07:46 mcmops: why are you apologizing to me? Aug 18 19:07:46 yes, me too... but there's no option ... Aug 18 19:08:49 mcmops: I guess there might be some third party packages available somewhere. If not, you'll have to compile gcc 3 yourself. Aug 18 19:09:04 4 has been stable for a while Aug 18 19:09:13 qemu is a more esoteric (but useful) package Aug 18 19:09:58 of course you can always consider switching distro too but that's a quite radical move :) Aug 18 19:10:46 roh: thanks for your info! another thing. what's j2 and j3? Aug 18 19:10:49 yeah, just buy a neo... Aug 18 19:11:48 once can patch qemu to build and work with gcc-4.x Aug 18 19:12:07 i'll try to get the qemu runnung with gcc 4.1 - if it do not work - i'll try an other machine Aug 18 19:12:20 http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/package/emulators/qemu/ Aug 18 19:12:21 yeah patches are out Aug 18 19:12:26 not in mainline yet tho Aug 18 19:17:56 jipi J2 has vcc 3.3V on one pin and J3 gnd on one Aug 18 19:18:06 the other pins of J2 and J3 are NC Aug 18 19:18:38 J4 is only a 90 ohm resistor via layout to measure if the pcb was manuf. right Aug 18 19:20:25 jipi i updated https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Debug_Board_v2 Aug 18 19:24:32 roh: on the debug board v2, there are some unmounted pads such as R47,R50, R51 and R52, C4, & C5 etc.. what a re those intended for? Aug 18 19:25:06 later Aug 18 19:27:53 roh: which means if i want to pull out the jtag/uart signals from my neo, i cannot do it from the debug board? the debug board's J1 and J10 is used for debugging other boards? Aug 18 19:28:54 * meus is looking forwarad to a new box. this old celeron 2.5 is slow when creating the devel-image :) Aug 18 19:30:39 roh: Is the current sensor resistor (chgcur) connected in a way that it provides no information on discharge current? The ADC reading is _Very_ noisy, especially on discharge. Is it merely random on discharge? Aug 18 19:33:06 Also, is the can on the PMU chip soldered down, or does the top open? Aug 18 19:44:37 jipi J1 and J10 are in parallel to the port going to the moko. so you can tap the there for measuring too Aug 18 19:45:15 SpeedEvil sorry.. no clue.. i will have to look that up Aug 18 19:45:31 K, not urgent, only wondering if you happened to know. Aug 18 19:46:30 the tin box above the AP PMU etc is soldered down and has a openable top on some phones. Aug 18 19:46:59 the plan is to keep it openable for all but i think there was some production shortage which generated some soldered down ones Aug 18 19:48:15 Fair enough. I'm just trying to work out why there is a large standby current. Aug 18 19:49:30 SpeedEvil why? because no powermanagement happens at all Aug 18 19:51:03 qemu and SuSE 10.2 is a little like to shimmy from one problem to a new one I'll stop that try Aug 18 19:52:27 new question: anybody there developing openmoko and/under/with SuSE 10.2 ? Aug 18 19:56:33 mcmops: I use the MokoMakefile under opensuse 10.2 Aug 18 19:58:12 hi! Anyone had problem with common/linux_list.h? More on: http://pastebin.ca/662485 Aug 18 19:59:28 roh: thanks! i'll try that out. Aug 18 20:00:04 gcb77_: with emulation? Aug 18 20:00:37 * paulproteus waves Aug 18 20:01:29 i've seen it on a gsmd-dev list but there was no solution Aug 18 20:02:04 it is fresh development env Aug 18 20:04:09 anyone alive? ;) Aug 18 20:04:36 gcb77_: did u manage it with the wiki#mokomakefile instructions? do u have some additional infos? Aug 18 20:10:28 * mrface wants his gllin Aug 18 20:11:49 roh: basically - also to make it easy for me to confirm when I've got PM stuff right. Aug 18 20:14:37 mcmops: there's a page on the wiki with workarounds Aug 18 20:14:59 I keep running into "No rule to make target `install'" with bitbake, do I need to add "install" to my makefile? Aug 18 20:17:35 mrface: if you want to install your program to package it, yes. otherwise you can add an empty do_install() {} function to your .bb, but that would result in empty packages. Aug 18 20:18:18 but it would produce binaries? Aug 18 20:19:12 pH5: but I can take care of install stuff in that function in my recipe? I'm pulling from CVS and it's not my source so I can't change the makefile Aug 18 20:19:46 uh.. sh*t Aug 18 20:19:54 * roh forgot a wedding party Aug 18 20:20:06 roh: oh that's bad Aug 18 20:20:28 its not mine.. n.p. .. and its only 10:20 pm .. so ive even got time to shower i think Aug 18 20:20:48 good Aug 18 20:21:17 speaking of parties, I should get back to the burning man work party... Aug 18 20:23:11 gcb77_: can u help me to find the page? Aug 18 20:23:58 gcb77_: do you use an emulator? Aug 18 20:32:24 mcmops: I do use the emulator, but I can't log into it Aug 18 20:32:34 the gadgetfs driver doesnt work Aug 18 20:33:58 mcmops: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:MokoMakefile#openSUSE_10.2_workarounds Aug 18 20:42:12 gcb77_: thanks got it !! ...the wiki search finds - nothing no suse no opensuse no openSUSE no 10.2...strange... Aug 18 20:45:34 tip: google search for: opensuse site:wiki.openmoko.org Aug 18 20:46:35 ...but i thought in the wiki i find wiki pages ? Aug 18 20:47:31 true... the workarounds are blocks in the same page, so the wiki search doesnt find it Aug 18 20:49:30 strange again - found information about qemu an suse 10.2 - thanks ! - and by - Aug 18 21:01:12 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Arizona]] [[Wishlist:Extension_Framework]] [[Neo1973_Debug_Board_v2]] [[Talk:Neo1973_Hardware]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_San_Francisco]] [[User:Michaelshiloh]] Aug 18 21:42:26 hey all Aug 18 22:11:57 morning Aug 18 22:12:20 evening! Aug 18 22:15:58 night Aug 18 22:16:10 :) Aug 18 22:16:51 ~ugt Aug 18 22:16:52 rumour has it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Aug 18 22:17:16 So good morning :-D Aug 18 22:17:33 no announcement from mickeyl? Aug 18 22:17:54 Not that I know of Aug 18 22:18:48 I guess it's not actually sunday there yet. Aug 18 22:20:45 It is, but only for 19 minutes so far Aug 18 22:20:52 * CM makes that 20 Aug 18 22:21:32 ah, right - he's +1 Aug 18 22:57:01 rwhitby: I've been offline for over a week. what kind of announcement are you awaiting from mickey? Aug 18 23:00:59 hi all Aug 18 23:01:07 anyone here have (recent) experience building qemu? Aug 18 23:01:20 I'm having a qemu build problem and would appreciate some advice... Aug 18 23:01:31 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:Cape_Town]] [[User:Mmontour/HHNotes]] [[Phase_1_Software_Testing]] [[User:Mmontour]] Aug 18 23:02:54 shadoknight: Do you have gcc-3.4 installed? Aug 18 23:03:20 yea - gcc --version has Aug 18 23:03:24 gcc (GCC) 3.4.6 (Gentoo 3.4.6-r2 p1.5, ssp-3.4.6-1.0, pie-8.7.10) Aug 18 23:03:35 shadoknight: Ah, gentoo like me Aug 18 23:03:37 it's complaining about 'unable to find a register to spill... Aug 18 23:03:44 cm: the only way to go Aug 18 23:03:45 :) Aug 18 23:04:11 I'm using MokoMakefile, but had the same error when I tried just the qemu build from the wiki instructions Aug 18 23:04:12 I had to add a ln -s /usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.4.6/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 or qemu wouldn't find the right gcc version Aug 18 23:04:22 hmm Aug 18 23:04:37 I'm not x86_64, but I'll give it a shot Aug 18 23:04:47 THe qemu makefile tries to find gcc-3.4, but gentoo onlt have one called gcc-3.4.6 Aug 18 23:04:48 though, it's using 'gcc' which is the one with the version string above... Aug 18 23:04:56 ahh Aug 18 23:05:47 ok, trying that now ;-) Aug 18 23:06:06 yay, gmpc is working :-) Aug 18 23:06:10 cm: thanks. Aug 18 23:06:25 Now I just need a bluetooth AP :-) Aug 18 23:06:45 alphaone: you can set one up on any machine with bluetooth and bluez Aug 18 23:07:00 there's instructions somewhere... Aug 18 23:07:39 shadoknight: I know. I need a bt dongle though because I want it stationary in my room. Aug 18 23:07:57 Sigh. Aug 18 23:07:58 ahh Aug 18 23:08:00 got it ;-) Aug 18 23:08:09 * SpeedEvil has just found that you can't unplug the BT module. Aug 18 23:08:25 SpeedEvil: The one in the Neo? Aug 18 23:08:30 yes. Aug 18 23:08:53 If it could have been, then it lets you plug other stuff in there. Aug 18 23:13:10 hmm Aug 18 23:21:50 aevin: 2007.2 Aug 18 23:23:15 rwhitby: hi - thanks for MokoMakefile - it's made things *much* easier to get started Aug 18 23:23:15 :) Aug 18 23:23:29 (yesterday's spew about a build problem not-withsanding) Aug 18 23:25:56 rwhitby: ah, okay. yeah, that'll be interesting. Aug 18 23:28:33 *sigh* Aug 18 23:29:02 The latest bitbake fails with parsing errors again. Aug 18 23:41:58 pwd Aug 18 23:41:59 ls Aug 18 23:57:07 SpeedEvil how is it connected? Aug 18 23:57:41 what? Aug 18 23:57:52 SpeedEvil the bt-modul Aug 18 23:58:22 Flat panel connector - that looks soldered under the display. Aug 18 23:58:37 it may be a connector - but the display is glued down. Aug 18 23:58:50 So it's not really relevant. Aug 18 23:58:56 i see Aug 19 00:04:58 I'm trying really hard to understand how bitbake recipes work, but I'm having a difficult time... anyone have any recommended reading? Aug 19 00:05:29 oe manual Aug 19 00:05:43 and other oe bb's Aug 19 00:06:46 ok, I will check out the manual Aug 19 00:34:17 i can't get dfu-util to flash my device Aug 19 00:34:24 it dies on device still in Runtime mode Aug 19 00:39:23 hmpf common/linux_list.h is not in my buildpath for libmokogsmd2 - anyway, will go to sleep now Aug 19 00:41:31 Anyone managed to find any pre-cut screen protectors that fit the Neo? Aug 19 00:52:16 ferric: What have you got the phone doing at the time? Aug 19 00:53:10 hads: its in uboot Aug 19 00:53:20 hads: it worked briefly - i'm in parallels on an os x machine Aug 19 00:53:29 but now i'm getting error during download-32 Aug 19 00:55:21 ferric: Not sure, it just works here but I'm using Linux. Aug 19 00:55:31 i'm in an ubuntu vm... Aug 19 00:55:35 * ferric ponders. Aug 19 00:55:43 well, the other alternative is to get dfu-util built on os x Aug 19 00:55:52 it it a dash issue? Aug 19 00:56:55 dash issue? Aug 19 01:00:52 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] Aug 19 01:06:50 oook - great... the phone won't power on anymore. Aug 19 01:07:01 sorry ferric i mean this dash issue:http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#Before_you_begin Aug 19 01:09:44 superman_Scott: just trying to flash the kernel/rootfs onto a new device... not building mokomakefile. Aug 19 01:12:50 hm, error during download and then my vm crashes. Aug 19 01:23:36 ok, flasher on os x works fine Aug 19 01:25:13 M:) Aug 19 01:31:05 yo SpeedEvil! Aug 19 01:32:54 * * OM Bug 716 has been created by cwixon(AT)usa.net Aug 19 01:32:55 * * BBMASK="uboot" results in attempt to build wrong kernel + failure Aug 19 01:32:56 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=716 Aug 19 01:52:11 (script) openmoko-neo1973: Harald Welte [ANNOUNCE] Neo1973 DebugBoard v2 Schematics released Aug 19 01:56:01 hello Aug 19 01:56:22 Moin Aug 19 01:56:31 It appears the alsamixer is labled incorrectly..... Aug 19 01:57:11 (script) openmoko-community: Harald Welte [ANNOUNCE] Neo1973 DebugBoard v2 Schematics released Aug 19 01:57:55 hey, has anyone seen BryceLeo around> Aug 19 01:57:56 ? Aug 19 02:01:09 * ferric can't seem to use the dialer. Aug 19 02:01:16 oh well, more experiments later. Aug 19 02:03:18 root@fic-gta01:/etc$ which stic Aug 19 02:03:18 /usr/bin/stic Aug 19 02:03:18 root@fic-gta01:/etc$ stic Aug 19 02:03:18 -sh: stic: not found Aug 19 02:03:23 How does this happen? Aug 19 02:03:33 /usr/bin/stic Aug 19 02:03:44 (sorry for the poor paste. IT was an accident) Aug 19 02:03:53 ferric, same thing Aug 19 02:03:55 +x maybe? Aug 19 02:04:04 ls -l /usr/bin/stic Aug 19 02:04:04 It's a console app Aug 19 02:04:13 wait...I bet you're right Aug 19 02:04:30 +x it is Aug 19 02:04:39 nope already +x'd Aug 19 02:04:49 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 30403 Mar 7 2002 /usr/bin/stic Aug 19 02:05:43 is it a binary? Aug 19 02:05:48 ./stic in /usr/bin> Aug 19 02:05:49 ? Aug 19 02:06:07 nope. Aug 19 02:06:12 Maybe it's missing a dependency?? Aug 19 02:08:55 hello! i've been crawling arround the openmoko wiki and trying some things in order to run the openmoko in osX Aug 19 02:09:04 has anybody did it? Aug 19 02:09:04 slitzferrari: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Aug 19 02:09:48 basically i'm stuck in the build process with the same error that's on the wiki Aug 19 02:13:55 slitzferrari: I think so. I'm not much help with ubuntu, but I think they have. Check out the mailing list archives. Aug 19 02:14:25 humm okay i'll check it out thnkx :) Aug 19 02:16:32 (script) planet: Harald "LaF0rge" Welte: OpenMoko Taipei office network setup http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/08/19#20070819-openmoko_office_network Aug 19 02:27:22 for what i've seen on the mailing lists archives, people like me are using paralels to run ubuntu or so and running openmoko there Aug 19 02:27:56 i'm affraid that's not yet possible to run openmoko in osx Aug 19 02:28:07 slitzferrari: heck I was running WinXP. I had to install a new OS. Aug 19 02:28:13 nothing parallel about that. Aug 19 02:28:52 you could use vmware :P Aug 19 02:29:02 or virtualbox Aug 19 02:29:18 or install a decent OS Aug 19 02:37:48 Does anyone know how to detect the pressing of the Aux button from within a gtk application? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 19 02:59:57 2007