**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 19 02:59:57 2007 Aug 19 03:01:12 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] [[Other_OSes]] [[Neo1973_Debug_Board_v2]] Aug 19 04:20:57 Please having someone else to pickup your Neo, otherwise, they will drop your neo. Aug 19 04:21:21 jesus christ on a pogostick... Aug 19 04:22:19 my neo is stranded in germany, and unless i know any germans who can pick it up, pay the customs fees, and ship it to me, i don't get one. Aug 19 04:23:01 worse, i get to pay for it, and not have one. Aug 19 04:24:38 why'd you send it to Germany? Aug 19 04:25:10 juri_: whose mistake was it that it went to Germany? Aug 19 04:27:12 Does anyone know how to detect the pressing of the Aux button from within a gtk application? Aug 19 04:28:27 doc: good question. i don't exactly have a log of my request to the website... Aug 19 04:28:41 it comes in from /dev/input/event0 Aug 19 04:28:42 i did inform htc as soon as i saw the destination Aug 19 04:29:18 thanks! Aug 19 04:29:33 its not like i wouldnt pay shipping to send it back.. but as the customer, i have no right to redirect a package. Aug 19 04:29:46 HTC needs to have it shipped to me, and i'll pay for the shipping. Aug 19 04:29:47 juri_: htc? Aug 19 04:29:49 htc? Aug 19 04:29:50 you mean fic? Aug 19 04:29:54 sorry. ;) Aug 19 04:29:57 heh Aug 19 04:30:07 i wouldn't mind an open htc though Aug 19 04:30:10 thats some sweet hw Aug 19 04:30:20 in fariness, if it's fic's fault, they should sort it out Aug 19 04:30:25 *fairness! Aug 19 04:31:08 even if its not, theres shit i can do about it, its on the wrong *continent*. i'd pay for shipping.. but i'm not paying for an item in germany, where i can't touch it. Aug 19 04:42:32 it hasn't arrived at customs. ups has realized somethings wrong. FIC needs to call, confirm my address, and get my package *shipped*. Aug 19 04:44:32 juri_: have you sent an email to the bug tracking system with your order ID ? Aug 19 04:45:19 rwhitby: i've been in daily contact with jouston hunag via email, through RT. Aug 19 04:45:44 ok, cool. so have they said that they won't do what you need them to do to get it delivered? Aug 19 04:46:08 or are you just releasing frustrations here :-) Aug 19 04:46:19 i just sent a new email after recieving the factually incorrect email from jouston.. Aug 19 04:46:40 rwhitby: halfway between officially ranting, and releasing frustration. Aug 19 04:47:04 officially ranting won't help here. we can only help you release the frustration :-) Aug 19 04:47:26 maybe i'm just informing others of how shipping problems are being handled. ;P Aug 19 04:47:48 if i can't get my openmoko, thats bad for everyone. i am an accomplished coder/hacker. :P Aug 19 04:49:04 sounds like you're at the point where a mistake has been made and you haven't got positive acknowledgement yet that it will be fixed, as opposed to getting something back saying it won't be fixed. is that the status? Aug 19 04:49:37 no, i think its halfway between that. Aug 19 04:50:02 according to fic, its in customs hands, out of their hands, and i need to find someone in germany to pick it up. Aug 19 04:50:19 according to UPS, they need to confirm the delivery address. i see nothing about customs. Aug 19 04:50:47 sounds like you've got new info that fic doesn't have yet. Aug 19 04:51:08 UPS says they've realized somethings wrong. FIC is telling me i'm fucked. but FIC is the only one with the right to talk to UPS about the issue. Aug 19 04:51:10 (I wonder if they are working on the weekend?) Aug 19 04:51:30 rwhitby: this information was available yesterday, per ups.com. Aug 19 04:51:49 i got my email from fic today. nothing has changed on ups.com. Aug 19 04:52:03 but what was the order of events? did you forward the info you have from ups to fic, and fic have refuted it? or have fic not seen the info from ups yet? Aug 19 04:52:15 the second. Aug 19 04:52:23 so, i have a prayer still. Aug 19 04:53:31 from the replies by sean to other people who've had trouble, I get the feeling that FIC would do pretty much anything (including sending out a free replacement) to a developer who's paid for a neo but hasn't got it through some shipping mishap. Aug 19 04:54:06 (i.e. the guy who couldn't find the batteries - sean said just let someone know and they'd ship some more out) Aug 19 04:54:24 i just sent this info to fic. i'm hoping they figgure it out. :) Aug 19 04:55:03 fingers crossed for you. I'd expect it will just be an inconvenient delay rather than any loss to you. Aug 19 04:55:40 i'm fine with that. i wasnt really expecting it until september anyways. Aug 19 04:56:09 delay is fine. additional shipping is fine. having my package stranded in customs on the wrong continent, where i can't get it is not fine. ;) Aug 19 04:56:31 they're plenty of mokians in germany, so someone could get it for you :-) Aug 19 04:57:10 someone else could get one, and fic could ship me a different one. ;P Aug 19 04:59:38 rwhitby: is the best bet for the 2007.2 makefile to start from scratch? or can I re-use my existing build tree? Aug 19 05:00:30 fic/openmoko are having a few troubles with all thew shipping Aug 19 05:00:40 they are not accostomed to shipping to individuals Aug 19 05:00:49 they normally only eve3r shiped to comapnies Aug 19 05:00:54 ie they are an OEM Aug 19 05:01:05 so this is all new territory (direct sales to customers) Aug 19 05:01:52 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Bogota]] [[Flashing_openmoko]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Los_Angeles]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups]] [[P1_Owners]] Aug 19 05:03:07 dotmef: at this stage I don't think it matters. it's designed to be able to swap back and forth between 2007.1 and 2007.2 Aug 19 05:05:36 rwhitby: ok - thanks. I'm getting some issues, but I think that must be due to my own additions before using the new makefile. Aug 19 05:30:38 openmoko: 03rwhitby 07OM-2007.1 * r131 10mokomakefile/: Put OM-2007.1 onto a branch for any support in it's soon-to-be-deprecated state. Aug 19 05:32:09 openmoko: 03rwhitby 07OM-2007.2 * r132 10mokomakefile/Makefile: Moved 2007.1 support onto a branch Aug 19 05:33:23 Curses! Just my luck. My neo will *finally* be showing up on Monday. But -- as demanded by Murphy's Law, I will be departing for a week-long business trip, a few hours before UPS gets here. :( Aug 19 05:33:58 Doh! Aug 19 05:34:19 Probably better you don't get it before the trip, or the trip will be a waste of money. Aug 19 05:35:05 Booth duty at a trade show. It's a waste of money and time, IMO -- but if I had the neo, it would only be a waste of money! ;) Aug 19 05:35:07 hehehe Aug 19 07:01:52 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Mmontour/HHNotes]] Aug 19 07:36:38 compiling the latest 2007.2 makefile, alpha, i get as far as uicmoc which then fails "cuic is busted Aug 19 07:43:01 Hmm... Aug 19 07:48:57 torpor: i have had the same problem, solved it with apt-get from this list: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#How_to_build_using_nslu2-linux_MasterMakefile_.28Ubuntu_7.04.29 Aug 19 08:01:00 openmoko: 03rwhitby * r133 10mokomakefile/trunk/: Move trunk away, ready for om2007.2 Aug 19 08:01:11 openmoko: 03rwhitby * r134 10mokomakefile/trunk/: Copy om2007.2 into trunk Aug 19 08:03:23 openmoko: 03rwhitby * r135 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Enable 2007.2 on trunk, but default still to 2007.1 Aug 19 08:04:18 Now it's a one liner when mickey|zzZZzz gives the green light. Aug 19 08:07:16 fgau: thanks, checking it out now .. hopefully this will fix it. Aug 19 08:20:56 yellow all Aug 19 08:22:52 I have stupid idea. me by beryl? xrandr is working Aug 19 08:24:30 beril? Aug 19 08:24:41 beryl Aug 19 08:24:48 beryl is no more Aug 19 08:24:55 compiz-fusion Aug 19 08:25:12 rwhitby: can I adda request for the makefile ? Aug 19 08:25:30 compiz won't work too well without gl acceleration Aug 19 08:25:34 you can request all you like ... Aug 19 08:25:53 I have it on laptop. it is grate :) on desktop no it dost handle with 3x display Aug 19 08:25:53 it's not compiz any more... Aug 19 08:26:09 i think even with the new version you get a choice of beryl or compiz style Aug 19 08:26:43 rwhitby: can you add a var for monotone... so I can have one on the system, but use a mroe recent one for just openmoko Aug 19 08:26:49 hmm. Beryl on the neo? Should give the HTC Touch a challenge Aug 19 08:26:56 there is aglx it's runing od a software accel Aug 19 08:27:16 ScaredyCat: you mean a MTN = mtn var? Aug 19 08:27:24 yah Aug 19 08:31:19 openmoko: 03rwhitby * r136 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Created a variable for the monotone executable, so it can be overridden on the command line if required. Aug 19 08:31:52 woohoo! Aug 19 08:31:54 thanks Aug 19 08:32:09 make sure I got them all. Aug 19 08:35:03 hi Aug 19 08:35:22 hi Aug 19 08:37:03 Hello. Aug 19 08:37:17 errm Aug 19 08:37:22 rwhitby: ... Aug 19 08:38:53 http://pastebin.ca/663098 Aug 19 08:39:25 you left quite a few in there Aug 19 08:39:30 openmoko: 03rwhitby 07OM-2007.2 * r137 10mokomakefile/Makefile: Make the tip of the OM-2007.2 branch point back to the trunk now Aug 19 08:40:06 ScaredyCat: I think you were still looking on the branch, not the trunk. Aug 19 08:40:38 I've added it to the branch now too. Aug 19 08:40:54 aahh yes.. :) Aug 19 08:42:43 now... erm just to be really annoying... Aug 19 08:43:08 openmoko: 03rwhitby 07OM-2007.2 * r138 10mokomakefile/Makefile: Make the Makefile on the 2007.2 branch still point to the 2007.2 branch for updates, until the trunk has been switched to 2007.2 Aug 19 08:43:59 how about allowing me to create a .mtn file with the path eg mymtn/mtn which is read if it exists otherwise use system. that would mean we don;t need to edit the makefile each time there's an update Aug 19 08:44:57 no. just symlink it yourself. Aug 19 08:45:07 (the monotone database that is) Aug 19 08:45:43 I mean for the executable Aug 19 08:45:52 or use a script which calls the makefile with MTN=foo Aug 19 08:46:08 morning gents Aug 19 08:46:30 I'm not going to have the Makefile reading in millions of little files for this and that. Aug 19 08:48:22 shouldn't it just have one then Aug 19 08:48:37 mokomakefile.cfg Aug 19 08:48:50 is there a lib for the neo / in oe to check memory allocation like valgrind or electric-fence? valgrind is not for the arm, e-fence is not included - any ideas / hints? Aug 19 08:48:57 * CM prefers "the one true Makefile" ;) Aug 19 08:49:19 CM: only if I can get it to play Highlander music Aug 19 08:49:26 "THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE MAKEFILE *swoosh*" Aug 19 08:49:28 * ScaredyCat hands CM a tissue, you have something brown on your nose Aug 19 08:49:32 rtyler: Hehe Aug 19 08:49:37 ScaredyCat: :-P Aug 19 08:49:47 <-- votes for just a *single* Makefile, which can be tweaked locally freely and at will. Aug 19 08:50:07 I mean, ScaredyCat, do you think this would be useful for a lot of people, or just those with differeing mtn's around .. Aug 19 08:50:08 but one file requirement is just daft.. since it pulls 200 million others. Aug 19 08:50:51 it's not just for mtn... it's for anything that's different locally... try thinking a little more broadly than just *my* requirement Aug 19 08:50:55 sure, its justa Makefile.cfg now. But sooner or later, the whole thing will be a distro and come on CD. Aug 19 08:51:03 no. Aug 19 08:51:06 * xzcvczx curses expat Aug 19 08:51:19 either you just don't get it or you're being facecious Aug 19 08:51:33 not you xzcvczx, BTW Aug 19 08:51:37 no, i'm seriously challenging whether your suggestion is going to be useful to more or less people than just you personally. Aug 19 08:52:02 i do get it. and i'm not facetious. Aug 19 08:52:10 ScaredyCat: actually in about a few mins i will probably admit to being a complete idiot anyway :P Aug 19 08:52:30 rwhitby doesn;t want lots of little files. so I suggested 1. you don;t HAVE to have the file, it should simply TEST for it and use it if it exists Aug 19 08:52:55 whats wrong with pasting this test in to your own local Makefile, then? are you checking the Makefile into SVN frequently for other reasons? Aug 19 08:53:35 because the makefile changes. Aug 19 08:53:45 i mean, from my perspective, the Makefile looks like it was designed to be as simple as possible to get set up and running, even though its doing a *lot* of work to get a full OS built for the Moko. Aug 19 08:54:12 if you have to edit it each time it becomes a pita, which is the sole reason for the configuration file Aug 19 08:54:18 'the makefile changes' .. this may actually be the problem that should be solved, and not with a .cfg file .. Aug 19 08:54:29 no Aug 19 08:54:38 when you do an svn update, keep your own changes then. Aug 19 08:54:51 the makefile isn't in svn ffs Aug 19 08:54:56 its not? Aug 19 08:54:59 no Aug 19 08:55:01 then what the hell is the problem then? Aug 19 08:55:17 do a make update-makefile Aug 19 08:55:21 i do that Aug 19 08:55:28 ZOMG RECURZINO Aug 19 08:55:29 the old one is replaced by the new one Aug 19 08:55:31 ScaredyCat: I don't understand what you need the Makefile for at all. It's a great way to help people start and set up their environment in a standardized fashion. As soon as you start to customize it, its main advantage goes away (reproducible behaviour). Aug 19 08:56:07 i think you have Makefile upgrade-itis. once you've used it once, i don't know any good reasons to keep using it so frequently that it requires its own local .cfg section .. Aug 19 08:56:21 righty now, there's a lot of activity on it. but i could see this tapering off. Aug 19 08:56:24 well the reproducable behaviour is form rm'ing the config if there's an issue Aug 19 08:56:50 so its a debug feature you want then. Aug 19 08:57:00 i.e. to make it easy to test the Makefile. Aug 19 08:58:07 mdt: no idea, but we could try to package e-fence for OE, no? Aug 19 09:00:31 ok, stupid question: i have found some packages (most recently icu-native) using my shells HOST/TARGET vars (set up for arm-open2x-linux) instead of that provided by the BB build env .. should I try to fix for those packages? Aug 19 09:01:12 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko2007.2]] [[Talk:MokoMakefile]] [[MokoMakefile]] Aug 19 09:01:41 or .. perhaps just add to the Wiki .. [note to developers: make sure you don't have vars set up for other systems before you begin .. export HOST= export TARGET= &etc.] Aug 19 09:04:00 pH5, i'm not shure, how efence works, does it need some x86 capabilities? Aug 19 09:04:21 pH5, valgrind is for x86, amd and ppc only... Aug 19 09:05:18 pH5: Is this you: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ph5/1164358042/ Aug 19 09:05:26 mdt: I'm just looking at duma.sf.net, it seems they run on x86, x86_64, mips, etc. Aug 19 09:05:32 CM: yes Aug 19 09:05:40 Cool, looks nice :D Aug 19 09:06:45 a pity there are no freely distributable data files for that game. except for the touchscreen scrolling it works pretty well Aug 19 09:06:46 pH5, hey, nice game - what do you use for graphics? x11? Aug 19 09:06:57 MDK: that's the ja2-straciatella sdl port Aug 19 09:07:07 (using x11 via libsdl-x11) Aug 19 09:08:09 pH5, you are from berlin, germany? ;) Aug 19 09:08:23 very nice! Aug 19 09:08:24 pH5: your micro sd was ony 128mb ? Aug 19 09:09:27 mdt: that's right Aug 19 09:09:44 ScaredyCat: yes, the one I got with my p0 phone Aug 19 09:09:49 h Aug 19 09:09:50 ah Aug 19 09:11:17 pH5, any other idea on memory debugging for an arm? Aug 19 09:13:29 mdt: I'd say let's try DUMA, but I have no experience in that field. Aug 19 09:13:39 or of course valgrind your apps and only then build them for arm Aug 19 09:13:51 actually, the makefile is in svn, and you can check it out from svn if you choose, rather than wgetting it Aug 19 09:14:13 pH5, what's duma? Aug 19 09:14:29 and the intention is that it is not configurable, cause it is meant to precisely reproduce the intentions of what the core team wants built as the default image. Aug 19 09:14:32 <_diego__> mdt: for what i remember, efence was a very simple library. So it should be easy to compile on neo Aug 19 09:14:40 duma.sourceforge.net, e-fence fork/successor. Aug 19 09:15:13 I'll try to cook up a bb recipe Aug 19 09:15:41 okay, sounds nice. will try it this evening. thanks. i have to leave... see you! Aug 19 09:16:25 pH5 is correct, if MokoMakefile becomes customisable such that it builds different things for different people, then it looses it's value as a tool that sets up a standard environment and build procedure so that people can reproduce what other people are doing and encountering. Aug 19 09:17:12 and torpor is correct that there is a lot of activity around this generation change, but before that (and I expect after this) it didn't change much in weeks. Aug 19 09:18:47 torpor: in my opinion, OE should build a package repeatable regardless of your environment variable settings, Aug 19 09:19:56 all: can I edit "Bluetooth_Connection_Status" in wiki? Aug 19 09:23:12 rwhitby: so i've just tripped up a few packages that do not build when i have my own HOST/TARGET vars set .. (by accident, btw) .. Aug 19 09:23:55 rwhitby: the only way to build properly with reproducable results is to build the tools too.. Aug 19 09:23:56 I thought those were cleared by bitbake before it even got near a package Aug 19 09:24:09 ScaredyCat: indeed, and OE does a lot of that too. Aug 19 09:24:22 but not monotone... Aug 19 09:24:41 i guess something is awry then .. this is the 2nd time my build failed because some obscure package in the bb tree was using arm-open2x-linux for TARGET/HOST .. Aug 19 09:24:42 and yes, you can take it further and say that everyone should use the same host distro for repeatable results ... Aug 19 09:24:49 tbh i think monotone is the only retarded part Aug 19 09:25:02 maybe next time someone gets a chance to fire up a fresh build, set those vars in advance to something broken, and catch the packages. Aug 19 09:25:13 since it's db layout changes when someone farts Aug 19 09:25:36 or you move your mouse Aug 19 09:25:40 i'm currently building on a VM image so that i never have to do this huge build again! ;) Aug 19 09:26:24 the only hope i have is that once i've done a successful build, i can keep it updated in change instead of having to 'refresh the build' too often .. coz honestly, two days to build this so far, and if its busted: yikes. Aug 19 09:26:34 there was a chroot env ... which is probably the best solution in that respect rwhitby Aug 19 09:35:57 http://www.ms.mff.cuni.cz/~kupem6am/openmoko-devel-image-x86-20070227064250.rootfs.tar.gz returns 403 :/ Aug 19 09:37:02 morning Aug 19 09:40:39 Where I can find copy of http://www.ms.mff.cuni.cz/~kupem6am/openmoko-devel-image-x86-20070227064250.rootfs.tar.gz? Aug 19 09:43:35 rwhitby: do you have changes for the MokoMakefile to automagically switch over to building 2007.2? Aug 19 09:44:09 rtyler: yes, edit the OPENMOKO_GENERATION variable Aug 19 09:44:48 (it should be self-evident at the top of the file) Aug 19 09:45:14 methinks I need a newer version of the file >_< Aug 19 09:46:24 rwhitby: where are you located geographically? Aug 19 09:46:34 Adelaide, Australia. Aug 19 09:46:47 bbiab (kids to bed) Aug 19 09:46:49 damnit, alright, next time you're in San Francisco, I owe you a drink at the very least Aug 19 09:46:52 * ScaredyCat spots an obvious bug... Aug 19 09:46:58 ScaredyCat: smash it! Aug 19 09:48:01 in .2 click the + to give the apps list. Note the first app is 'Calculator' , from the dropdown select one of the other lists... Aug 19 09:48:07 click the first item on the list Aug 19 09:48:19 it'll run 'Calculator' Aug 19 09:52:22 ScaredyCat hmm, the first listentry seems to have problems anyway Aug 19 09:55:12 is anyone writing an configuration app for the time until the official config-app is realeased? Aug 19 09:55:28 definte configuration app? Aug 19 09:58:08 rtyler to set global parameters, volume, backlight, pppoe-config, gsm-provider, bluetooth stuff,... Aug 19 10:06:23 hmm... Aug 19 10:07:55 * J-23 tries to build OpenMoko 2007.1 for x86 to test it on Xephyr in chroot. Aug 19 10:08:56 good morning stefan_schmidt :-) Aug 19 10:09:05 hi wansti Aug 19 10:09:16 ~lart broken IRC bouncer Aug 19 10:09:16 * apt shoves a crumpet down broken IRC bouncer's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? Aug 19 10:10:19 question: do you know why if i exit an application (ex: web, gtkterm) it leaves a zombie process ? Aug 19 10:11:24 Derbot2: because OpenMoko embraces the undead :) Aug 19 10:12:17 rtyler: :), is this a known problem ? Aug 19 10:13:01 methinks so Aug 19 10:13:03 bugs me :) Aug 19 10:13:32 rtyler: i try some straces Aug 19 10:15:12 Derbot2: filing bug reports would definitely help, I'd like to see that get fixed as well Aug 19 10:15:43 anybody using NFS to develop apps? Aug 19 10:15:54 rtyler: ok, i'll try Aug 19 10:16:00 I'd like to reduce building and then writing new images to SD :/ Aug 19 10:18:05 Does anyone know how to force a rebuild of the rootfs? Aug 19 10:18:24 I don't want to rebuild all packages, I just want a new rootfs Aug 19 10:18:25 re Aug 19 10:20:20 try running make openmoko-devel-image again? Aug 19 10:21:30 CM: -b flag to bitbake to build a single recipe and no dependencies, if that is what you want. Aug 19 10:21:42 (see the bitbake manual for details) Aug 19 10:21:55 rwhitby: Ok. I'll look Aug 19 10:22:06 I did rebuild mrxvt that way Aug 19 10:22:15 With some changes to the fonts. And now I want that in the rootfs Aug 19 10:34:18 | /home/j/hak/openmoko/build/tmp/cross/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.1.2/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lQtCore Aug 19 10:34:42 liqt4-x11-free-4.3.0-r5/qt-x11-opensource-src-4.3.0/src/xml' Aug 19 10:35:14 torpor: I built qt4-x11 yesterday with no problem... Strange Aug 19 10:46:41 GARGH, recent openembedded patches seem to be broken again Aug 19 10:46:48 3 out of 3 hunks FAILED -- rejects in file lib/bb/fetch/svn.py Aug 19 10:46:48 Patch bitbake-1.6.6-om3.patch does not apply (enforce with -f) Aug 19 10:46:50 fork! Aug 19 10:49:07 * CM gives up on trying to build a rootfs Aug 19 10:49:31 aw, you'll never get a working OpenMoko phone with that sort of stamina :P Aug 19 10:49:46 rtyler: :-P Aug 19 10:49:50 well, you could put ubuntu on it then instead. Aug 19 10:50:35 I'm just finding bitbake awfully difficult to figure out, and even if I follow the manuals and such, it doesn't do like the manual says. Aug 19 10:50:49 Probably it's me not understanding how it works. Aug 19 10:50:54 IMHO bitbake sucks Aug 19 10:50:58 but that's just me :) Aug 19 10:51:15 Huch Aug 19 10:51:16 wtf?! Aug 19 10:51:16 Katzen?! Aug 19 10:51:19 oops Aug 19 10:51:26 And I've tried forever to try to find what actually builds the rootfs. It's not openmoko-devel-image at least.. Aug 19 10:51:50 CM bitbake -c rebuild task-base <-- that was what i wanted to paste Aug 19 10:52:02 kristian-m: Ah, I'll try that :) Aug 19 10:52:20 CM: openmoko-devel-image does build the rootfs. what gets put into it is determined by task-* Aug 19 10:52:46 rtyler: did you type make setup after changing to 2007.2? Aug 19 10:52:50 rwhitby: Ah, ok. So task-base might do the trick? Aug 19 10:53:07 rwhitby: yessir Aug 19 10:53:24 rtyler: cause that patch should only be applied to 2007.1 Aug 19 10:53:31 CM for me it included the DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS Aug 19 10:53:31 I suspect I have to learn how to use quilt now too.. Aug 19 10:53:36 your patches dir should have three empty subdirs in it Aug 19 10:59:20 mdt: duma-2.5.7 is in OE now Aug 19 10:59:57 kristian-m: It didn't work, unfortunately: http://rafb.net/p/EDJGal29.html Aug 19 11:00:53 CM: there's something wrong with your setup - you shouldn't be getting those parse errors. Aug 19 11:01:14 I've just gone from 2007.2 to 2007.1 and back to 2007.2 in the same directory, with the bitbake cache being rebuilt each time, and no parse errors. Aug 19 11:01:32 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Phase_1_Software_Testing]] [[Bluetooth_Connection_Status]] Aug 19 11:03:52 okay Aug 19 11:08:25 rwhitby: gotta clean out my previous build dir to free up some space, I'll let you know how my next 'make' goes Aug 19 11:25:59 ScaredyCat: I've added the scummvm-0.9.1 openmoko integration to OE, could you check if the default build now behaves like you'd expect? Aug 19 11:26:26 ahh cool, will do pH5 Aug 19 11:31:06 anybody have bluetooth peering working? Aug 19 11:32:10 * ScaredyCat stabs rwhitby Aug 19 11:32:41 hey hey, that's not necessary Aug 19 11:33:17 * Stephmw heals rwhitby Aug 19 11:33:21 heh Aug 19 11:33:30 * rtyler restores rwhitby's mana Aug 19 11:34:26 mickeyl: you around? Aug 19 11:34:35 yes. what's up? Aug 19 11:34:49 when do we get to hear about who y'all hired for OpenEmbedded ;) Aug 19 11:34:56 rtyler used an bt-keyboard once Aug 19 11:35:08 kristian-m:huh? Aug 19 11:35:13 rtyler: late September Aug 19 11:35:26 rtyler: we can't announce until all the paperwork is done Aug 19 11:35:26 rtyler bluetooth peered Aug 19 11:35:55 kristian-m: any tricks to getting things working nicely from the Neo perspective? I can't even get my Mac to recognize it Aug 19 11:36:00 (scanning bluetooth that is) Aug 19 11:36:12 mickeyl: I understand, just hassling you while I wait for my images to build :) Aug 19 11:36:18 hehe Aug 19 11:36:52 I was hoping I'd have a name so I could start either working with/or irritating said individual with regards to OE's Mono severely cruddy Mono package :P Aug 19 11:37:22 rtyler from passkey-agent --default 0000 & it was straigt forward - as written in the wiki - i have used the neo as host though Aug 19 11:37:48 * rtyler nods Aug 19 11:37:51 it's very necessary rtyler .. :/ Aug 19 11:38:38 ljp: ping Aug 19 11:38:46 rtyler: said person won't start until October, 1st Aug 19 11:38:58 so we are not able to give tasks out anyway Aug 19 11:38:58 ScaredyCat: which is very necessary? Aug 19 11:39:10 rwhitby: what is your average time-of-bitbake-cache compile like? Aug 19 11:39:14 stabbing rwhitby Aug 19 11:39:19 oh, heh Aug 19 11:39:35 torpor: slow - I run inside vmware on a laptop Aug 19 11:39:50 ok me too Aug 19 11:40:19 i'm trying to complete at least my first build with 2007.2 since wednesday (with 3 restart/crashes in between.) Aug 19 11:44:45 ya, there's still a problem with BitBake on floating SRCDATES Aug 19 11:44:51 this will soon be fixed thanks to SRCREV Aug 19 11:45:07 if your build crosses the date border, then you have to rebuild some packages manually Aug 19 11:45:11 RP: know about that? Aug 19 11:49:53 * rtyler wonders if we'll get a discount as GTA1 owners on GTA2 Aug 19 11:50:16 rtyler: 1c :P Aug 19 11:50:53 rtyler: that was already addressed by sean - the $50 off the price of the GTA01 was the discount, and everyone who bought one got it. Aug 19 11:50:55 rtyler: no. you got the discount on th e01 Aug 19 11:51:37 hmmm trust our dollar to crash before the 02 comes out Aug 19 11:51:53 hasn't it already ? Aug 19 11:52:16 !google convert 1gbp to usd Aug 19 11:52:17 1 British pound = 1.9794 U.S. dollars Aug 19 11:52:33 !google 1USD to NZD Aug 19 11:52:35 1 U.S. dollar = 1.46864444 New Zealand dollars Aug 19 11:52:36 Yeah, if the fed cut interest rates a half a point then watch it dive... Aug 19 11:52:46 !google 1NZD to USD Aug 19 11:52:48 1 New Zealand dollar = 0.6809 U.S. dollars Aug 19 11:52:55 68 :( Aug 19 11:53:21 !google bite me :P Aug 19 11:53:21 !google convert 1usd to plastic spoons Aug 19 11:53:22 Images @ http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=bite+me+:P&safe=off&lr=lang_all&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi | Electric Venom � Blog Archive � Bite M @ http://www.electricvenom.com/?p=8955%20class=l | Former President Gerald Ford Dies � Nets @ http://news.netscape.com/story/2006/12/26/former-president-gerald-ford-dies/comment/438547%20class=l Aug 19 11:53:23 Did you mean: convert 1 usd to plastic spoons ? | Images @ http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=convert+1usd+to+plastic+spoons&safe=off&lr=lang_all&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi | Recipes - Spiced Venison Steaks with Red @ http://www.moldova.org/retete/eng/95/1410/%20class=l Aug 19 11:53:27 O_O Aug 19 11:53:35 :o Aug 19 11:53:39 oops Aug 19 11:53:44 lol Aug 19 11:54:04 * xzcvczx puts some anti-matter in ScaredyCat's hands Aug 19 11:54:06 muhahaha Aug 19 11:54:50 mickeyl: yes, I know about it. I'm hoping it goes partially away with the change to SRCREV Aug 19 11:55:00 yep Aug 19 11:55:15 another reason for 48 hour days Aug 19 11:55:33 * rtyler is bored senseless waiting for this build Aug 19 11:55:48 does the Neo support multiple users properly?. Aug 19 11:55:51 can't have taken long :P Aug 19 11:56:59 rtyler: it supports users On and Off, out of the box Aug 19 11:57:15 mickeyl: do you have any specifications for the OpenMokoFramework that I can start writing wrappers for? :D Aug 19 11:57:30 Stephmw: want to set me up an account on your phone while I wait for my new images to build? :P Aug 19 11:57:30 which kind of wrappers? Aug 19 11:57:38 mickeyl: think Mono :P Aug 19 11:57:41 ah Aug 19 11:57:51 * rtyler is a p/invoke wizard Aug 19 11:57:54 well, the only thing OM2007.2 adds on gtk is the finger scroll widget Aug 19 11:58:02 right now, that is Aug 19 11:58:03 rtyler: I was kidding - no phone here Aug 19 11:58:45 mickeyl: is there specific list or anything that I can get on to make sure I'm aware of any sort of APIs for application integration? Aug 19 11:59:04 rtyler: framework-devel discusses framework API Aug 19 11:59:11 * rtyler thinks he's on that already Aug 19 11:59:17 !google 1EU to 1USD Aug 19 11:59:18 Did you mean: 1EU to 1 USD ? | Images @ http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=1EU+to+1USD&safe=off&lr=lang_all&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi | VietNamNet - Ch đ c�ng t�c ph�: cn @ http://www.vnn.vn/bandocviet/2005/12/522343/%20class=l Aug 19 11:59:21 !google 1EU to NZD Aug 19 11:59:22 Images @ http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=1EU+to+NZD&safe=off&lr=lang_all&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi | Hotels Blackpool England United Kingdom, @ http://www.onlinehotelguide.com/rlh-uk-en-blackpool-57an/%20class=l |

000095013 @ http://google.brand.edgar-online.com/EFX_dll/EDGARpro.dll?FetchFilingOrig1?SessionID=rTpmWLapq0G3fpY&ID=5177624%20class=l Aug 19 11:59:34 * Stephmw raises an eyebrow Aug 19 11:59:40 alrigt, let's stop that :D Aug 19 12:00:39 weird. Aug 19 12:01:04 it's EUR Aug 19 12:01:06 not EU Aug 19 12:01:49 unless you are trying to convert the entire EU into UAD Aug 19 12:01:52 USD Aug 19 12:02:00 rtyler maybe a wrapper for libmokogsmd2 would be nice Aug 19 12:02:02 mickeyl: Making the srcdates use the persistent store might be one solution Aug 19 12:02:33 kristian-m: a Mono wrapper, or a lower level wrapper into the lib itself? Aug 19 12:04:42 rtyler wrappers to scripting-languages in general Aug 19 12:05:20 I hear somebody here's a Python guy too, so we might be able to hook that up Aug 19 12:05:42 * rtyler looks at Der Doktor Lauer Aug 19 12:05:56 * zecke yawns Aug 19 12:06:04 * mickeyl points to zecke who did that already Aug 19 12:06:07 any idea on this: http://nopaste.eof.name/192 <-- linux_2.6.21.bb failed Aug 19 12:06:21 and needs to redo for OM2007.2 :) Aug 19 12:06:29 there's PyNeo module? Aug 19 12:06:41 linux-2.6.21 is the wrong kernel Aug 19 12:06:47 it is not called that way but mokoui and gsmd where 100% covered Aug 19 12:06:47 you better build linux-gta01-2.6.21 Aug 19 12:06:55 * kristian-m praises zecke Aug 19 12:07:00 mickeyl thx, i'll try Aug 19 12:07:00 and you better _not_ mask out random stuff if you don't know what you are doing Aug 19 12:07:05 this goes for all uboot haters Aug 19 12:07:06 heh Aug 19 12:07:43 we want to enhance the framework again a bit anyways Aug 19 12:07:46 it's a bit _bare_ atm. Aug 19 12:07:52 although some people don't like high level frameworks Aug 19 12:07:56 * mickeyl grins Aug 19 12:07:59 hehe Aug 19 12:08:11 * mickeyl resists pointing to anyone Aug 19 12:08:12 mickeyl: My theory is Gtk+ people get paid by LOC Aug 19 12:08:19 zecke: hahaha. like the Shanghai guys Aug 19 12:08:21 right Aug 19 12:08:24 that was so insane Aug 19 12:08:30 * mickeyl shudders Aug 19 12:08:33 CM: DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS += "nano" in your local.conf Aug 19 12:08:40 zecke: "paid" I hope to god nobody gets *paid* to fuck up Gtk+ further :P Aug 19 12:08:41 mickeyl: and framework's are a threat to their revenue :) Aug 19 12:08:49 right Aug 19 12:23:18