**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 22 02:59:56 2007 Aug 22 03:02:45 the picture editor works well as a viewer Aug 22 03:03:05 What picture editor? Aug 22 03:03:28 mtpaint Aug 22 03:06:27 ouch. Downloading ipkgs over gprs. should have changed my default routes before installing.... :( Aug 22 03:17:35 hey i did it Aug 22 03:17:36 sagacis_neo: Did you get a client working? Aug 22 03:17:43 awesome Aug 22 03:18:45 Sort of. I accidentally closed the menu trying to close the sidebar :( Aug 22 03:24:37 see you tomorrow people Aug 22 03:24:41 8-) Aug 22 03:31:34 so.. what's the magic /proc or /sys stuff for battery info Aug 22 03:33:21 /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-0/0-0008 Aug 22 03:36:48 better Aug 22 03:39:55 i`m missing the last 3 chars of each message Aug 22 03:46:56 moo. Aug 22 03:47:39 baa Aug 22 03:50:22 that really sucks. We could all add 3 characters to the end of each sentence.*** Aug 22 03:51:08 damn, glibc is building without qemu segfaulting on the laptop Aug 22 03:51:16 I guess I have to build it all on the slow box then Aug 22 03:52:45 ajmitch: Dont be in too much a a hurry. The build process still is broken... Aug 22 03:53:15 excellent Aug 22 03:53:52 of course, it took me 30 hours to get to this point :) Aug 22 03:54:14 * ajmitch was only building up until glibc anyway Aug 22 03:54:50 hi all Aug 22 03:59:15 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[SettingsGUI]] Aug 22 04:03:20 what's is "cu"? Aug 22 04:03:56 ~google cu Aug 22 04:04:45 http://linux.die.net/man/1/cu Aug 22 04:07:28 hrrm Aug 22 04:07:42 | No package 'WebKitGdk' found Aug 22 04:07:42 | configure: error: Package requirements (WebKitGdk) were not met: Aug 22 04:07:42 | No package 'WebKitGdk' found Aug 22 04:07:42 | configure: error: Package requirements (WebKitGdk) were not met: Aug 22 04:07:42 No package 'WebKitGdk' found Aug 22 04:07:47 eep Aug 22 04:08:08 I only meant to do that once ;) Aug 22 04:08:39 this is a 'make' attempt with mokomakefile Aug 22 04:12:31 how package is cu ? I don't find Aug 22 04:12:44 uucp usually Aug 22 04:12:59 on Ubuntu, the package is "cu" Aug 22 04:13:13 I have the Macos Aug 22 04:13:20 macosx Aug 22 04:15:21 mentax: look @ http://seriss.com/people/erco/unixtools/cu.macosx Aug 22 04:15:39 be aware its not a here is the answer Aug 22 04:16:48 I don't think GSM850 is working on my phone Aug 22 04:17:26 I just tried to AT+COPS while about 100Meters from a CellOne (GSM850 only!) tower Aug 22 04:17:38 All my other phones work just fine Aug 22 04:19:12 In macosx i not have a /dev/ttyACM0 Aug 22 04:19:30 google it Aug 22 04:20:35 in fact have you followed the stuff for mac on the wiki? Aug 22 04:22:44 gavin8or: the theory is that it might be turned off in the gsm firmware, cause the phone was not approved for 850 in the FCC report we've seen so far. Aug 22 04:23:24 yeah so is there any progress on making the firmware do it? Aug 22 04:23:31 bah.. so is there some expectation it will get certified later? Aug 22 04:23:44 there has to be some way of enabling GSM850 Aug 22 04:24:20 I might as well send it back, right now it's just a PDA that can run linux *yawn* Aug 22 04:25:34 gavin8or: well from what i understand it may be a while before it can be fixed anyway as at the moment the program for flashing the firmware on the gsm chip is very tightly guarded.... Aug 22 04:25:57 ahhh good thing to know!!! Aug 22 04:26:17 Meh I wish I had known such things before I bought the unit Aug 22 04:26:39 The whole "can flash whatever you want" is a false selling point Aug 22 04:26:53 Maybe I'll feel less depressed about this in the morning, but probably not Aug 22 04:27:37 gavin8or: you should email the openmoko-general list about it Aug 22 04:27:46 Is it known to work with GSM900 and GSM1800? Aug 22 04:27:48 or whatever the main mail list ist.. Aug 22 04:27:56 * cesarb hasn't had the chance to test yet Aug 22 04:28:11 My understanding is yes GSM900 and 1800 work Aug 22 04:28:27 But that does me (and most of the world, area-wise) no good Aug 22 04:28:49 are the makedevs problems on 32 bit or 64 bit machines? Aug 22 04:31:20 rwhitby: 64 bit at least for me. But can't get past uboot now. Aug 22 04:31:54 gavin8or: unfortunately gsm and gps are still very much closed Aug 22 04:32:17 yay, managed to dial my other phone manually (with AT commands) Aug 22 04:32:30 is it just me, or does webkit-gtk fail to compile? Aug 22 04:32:32 Yeah that's sad cause I see no other reason to buy the unit Aug 22 04:32:33 a gsm firmware is available on people.om.org however we have no way to flash it Aug 22 04:32:59 I was hoping to get something that you had access to gsm and gps Aug 22 04:33:00 we surmise that the makedevs problem is actually a problem with fakeroot-native and 64 bit machines. That's the leading theory at the moment at least. Aug 22 04:33:08 gavin8or: You won't Aug 22 04:33:17 But this is like buying a broadcomm wireless chipset and saying you've got something good for linux :( Aug 22 04:33:26 gavin8or: you did read the site before purchasing didn't you? Aug 22 04:33:32 gavin8or: you will only get access to gsm if you pull a gnu radio Aug 22 04:33:39 Yeah I read the site Aug 22 04:33:49 Then you should know what you're buying Aug 22 04:33:55 hads: seems like telecom's new network will be gsm850 Aug 22 04:34:00 gavin8or: but then it would probably be illegal to run unless you were one of a few people, or ran it on a RF-proof room Aug 22 04:34:07 so which bit made you think you had access to gsm and gps firmware? Aug 22 04:34:28 ajmitch: Interesting Aug 22 04:34:37 hads: yeah, vodafone is gsm1800 Aug 22 04:34:38 broadcom is completely closed, not just the firmware Aug 22 04:34:45 rwhitby: you do have access to gsm firmware.... its just not very useful :P Aug 22 04:34:50 gavin8or: I do agree with you that the 850 issue is not mentioned anywhere Aug 22 04:35:16 Yeah that's what has me choked right now Aug 22 04:35:28 hads: and a sim I bought today works (when dialling manually) Aug 22 04:35:34 so I'm happier :) Aug 22 04:35:38 rwhitby: which is *very* strange and makes me suspect it's a but Aug 22 04:35:39 ajmitch: Yay :) Aug 22 04:35:41 s/but/bug/ Aug 22 04:35:41 cesarb meant: rwhitby: which is *very* strange and makes me suspect it's a bug Aug 22 04:35:46 Plus the sales talk (not that I didn't look past the first page) on the first page: "Mobile phones, currently closed and self limited" Aug 22 04:35:57 rwhitby: instead of the deliberate disabling of one band Aug 22 04:36:14 Yeah I'll open a bug report Aug 22 04:36:26 cesarb: unless it is due to FCC not being approved yet Aug 22 04:36:27 Maybe I'm blowing this out of proportion :) Aug 22 04:36:28 rwhitby: isn't the same chipset already having problems with some SIMs? Aug 22 04:36:51 Yeah a whole list of AT&T SIMs Aug 22 04:36:53 it'd be fun to RE the gsm firmware & flashing, but would probably get a few people in a bit of trouble Aug 22 04:37:05 My SIM works fine, AT+CNUM and everything reads it a-ok Aug 22 04:37:22 gavin8or: it's meant to work on 850. it currently doesn't (according to multiple reports). there is no info on that from OpenMoko. The FCC report did not approve 850 operation. That's all I know. Aug 22 04:37:34 Yes thank you Aug 22 04:37:58 rwhitby: is there a known way to ask the modem which frequency it's currently using? Aug 22 04:38:12 since the agreement for developer purchase said that the phone functionality didn't work yet, then you were taking a risk buying it ... Aug 22 04:38:14 rwhitby: (it would not only help debugging this problem, but be cool in general) Aug 22 04:38:18 I guess if they are trying their best to support 850 and GPS will pan out to be at least functional, then I got what I paid for :) Aug 22 04:38:45 but one would expect that if they don't get 850 working, then you could ask for a refund. Aug 22 04:39:05 cesarb: no idea. Aug 22 04:40:07 the chipset says it supports 850 so I can't see why the Neo won't Aug 22 04:40:35 it must just be legal issues Aug 22 04:40:48 eggsy: or just a bug Aug 22 04:41:04 eggsy: after all, the firmware *has* been modified by fic Aug 22 04:41:29 cesarb: do we know that for sure? What have the done? Aug 22 04:41:35 eggsy: and it also depends on the hardware... if the path for the 850 signals is too noisy or broken, it might not work Aug 22 04:41:47 I'm not aware of FIC having firmware modification ability yet. Aug 22 04:41:47 eggsy: added some command Aug 22 04:41:48 eggsy: yes, we know for sure the modem firmware has been modified by fic Aug 22 04:41:57 eggsy: they added at least a couple of extra commands Aug 22 04:42:19 cesarb: citation please? I thought they asked TI to fix some commands. Aug 22 04:42:43 cesarb: the TCS2010 schematic suggests that 900 and 850 use the same LNA Aug 22 04:42:54 cesarb: and 900 works Aug 22 04:43:20 eggsy: what's a TCS2010? Aug 22 04:43:30 (and where do you get the schematics?) Aug 22 04:43:31 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA01_gsm_modem Aug 22 04:44:22 I'm going to have to try AT+BAND=? Aug 22 04:44:27 and maybe !BAND=? Aug 22 04:44:47 Those might give what frequency you're on Aug 22 04:44:56 rwhitby: isn't that the RF chipset - at least thats where the link on the Neo hardware took me Aug 22 04:45:29 cesarb, what frequencies are supported by your tower? Aug 22 04:48:03 gavin8or: with my razr, forcing 900/1800 works, while forcing 850/1900 doesn't, but seems to find something Aug 22 04:48:21 * cesarb asking it to do a search Aug 22 04:49:05 hm, forcing 850/1900 finds Vivo GSM (Vivo is the CDMA carrier which now also has GSM; I heard they use GSM 850) Aug 22 04:50:17 xzcvczx: do we know that those commands were actually added by LaF0rge and not added by TI at OpenMoko's request? Aug 22 04:50:24 do they show up on your Neo? when you ask to AT+COPS=? Aug 22 04:50:40 (I hope OM does have the ability to modify the firmware, but I haven't seen positive confirmation of that) Aug 22 04:51:17 Forcing 900/1800 finds Claro (the one I have), Oi and TIM... So of the four carriers the only one in the USA-like bands is Vivo GSM Aug 22 04:51:35 rwhitby: I seem to remember an email from LaFOrge saying they would be able to modify firmware but didn't hear of anything concrete Aug 22 04:51:42 gavin8or: my neo arrived today, I didn't flash it yet Aug 22 04:51:55 haha ok :) Aug 22 04:51:58 gavin8or: and it's too late to do it today (I should have gone to sleep like four hours ago) Aug 22 04:52:01 What are you doing on IRC then?!?!? :P Aug 22 04:52:14 eggsy: I remember LaF0rge saying they had requested that ability, but also didn't see anything concrete later Aug 22 04:52:20 gavin8or: good question ;-) Aug 22 04:52:29 I flashed mine (literally) before the mailman got down my driveway Aug 22 04:52:34 But then again I have a long driveway :( Aug 22 04:52:49 moo Aug 22 04:53:06 * cesarb also wants to download a copy of all the partitions before flashing the phone Aug 22 04:53:13 * cesarb will flash uboot too... why not? Aug 22 04:53:29 depends if you like bricks, I guess Aug 22 04:53:52 ajmitch: I have the way-smaller-than-it-looks-in-the-pictures unbricking board Aug 22 04:53:57 heh Aug 22 04:54:09 * ajmitch didn't feel like paying the extra for that Aug 22 04:54:10 (it looks at least HALF as large as it seems on the photos) Aug 22 04:54:17 cesarb: unless it was a P0 dev phone, there's nothing interesting in the partitions you've got. Aug 22 04:54:41 I suspect that unbricking the phone isn't a simple click & go operation Aug 22 04:54:43 rwhitby: I disagree. At least uboot_env and splash have interesting contents. Aug 22 04:55:13 * cesarb has also backuped (sp?) the badblocks table, by asking uboot to print it Aug 22 04:55:25 cesarb: ok badblocks is a good point Aug 22 04:55:37 the others you can put back with devirginator Aug 22 04:55:57 (since you have a debug board). but I guess getting them in the right format for dfu-util is handier. Aug 22 04:55:58 rwhitby: at least on mine it was boring, it had only the four "fake" bad blocks (the ones with the bad blocks table itself) Aug 22 04:56:32 * ajmitch hasn't checked his for badblocks yet Aug 22 04:56:38 that's only visible from uboot? Aug 22 04:57:05 ajmitch: perhaps also from linux, but it's way simpler on uboot: "nand bad" IIRC (check the help) Aug 22 04:57:31 cesarb: yeah, but that'd mean rebooting the phone :) Aug 22 04:57:38 ajmitch: if you find four bad blocks together at the end of the device, they are fake: it's where the bad blocks table is kept Aug 22 04:59:34 the funny thing is the firmware file for the gsm chip comes up as a "Motorola S-Record" Aug 22 05:01:41 rwhitby: LaF0rge said "We now have the ability to alter the firmware of the GSM chipset,..." and another comment makes me think OM can do it themselves. We won't be able to though. Aug 22 05:02:47 bye Aug 22 05:06:24 xzcvczx: Where'd you see the S-Record? Aug 22 05:11:35 LaF0rge is a FIC devel then? Aug 22 05:11:51 oh yes Aug 22 05:12:31 See I would feel badly about being so harsh on these guys if it were something I could do myself Aug 22 05:12:39 Which I can't so what else is there to do but bitch Aug 22 05:12:41 :) Aug 22 05:13:48 dude, those guys are seriously working their asses off, there's only so much they can do in a day Aug 22 05:14:49 maybe they only tested 1900 with fcc because 850 didn't quite pass...? Aug 22 05:15:43 Yeah I was actually kidding Aug 22 05:16:02 oh, haha Aug 22 05:16:03 As in... I'm not going to bitch so I'll go find something else to do Aug 22 05:16:16 good thinking ;) Aug 22 05:19:49 happycube: I still think that's a load of speculation Aug 22 05:20:06 moin Aug 22 05:20:13 happycube: it's possible that, for instance, they did test... but hit the same bug as everyone (it didn't work) Aug 22 05:28:13 250GB hard drive for GTA02 (or GTA01 with powered USB HUB): http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10928 Aug 22 05:28:21 (or even 320GB: http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10731 ) Aug 22 05:28:51 great, now to fit that inside the neo shell Aug 22 05:40:43 * CM is sleepy Aug 22 05:41:05 * jeddy3 slaps CM with a cup of coffee Aug 22 05:41:14 :D Aug 22 05:43:28 Hehe: http://xkcd.com/306/ Aug 22 05:50:04 hahaha xD...soo true Aug 22 05:52:10 I admit to some "constructive criticism" yesterday, and that wasn't good. At least she wasn't mad this morning.. ;) Aug 22 05:57:21 CM, :) Aug 22 05:59:15 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Mmontour/HHNotes]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups]] Aug 22 06:14:21 is it safe to remove battery whilst powered by usb (both phone & breakout board are connected) Aug 22 06:14:58 cheriff: Remove the usb first Aug 22 06:15:21 cheriff: At least that's what I was told (I don't have the board) Aug 22 06:16:02 okay. I was hoping to keep it poweredup so i could add sim and/or sd cards Aug 22 06:16:05 thanks :) Aug 22 06:16:45 I think it dies if you take out the battery even if the usb is plugged in Aug 22 06:19:52 its does Aug 22 06:20:00 makes a squealing sound Aug 22 06:24:06 mornin' Aug 22 06:25:04 Good morning, are the mailing lists down again? Aug 22 06:42:43 shrug, killed the panel...what is it's name? Aug 22 06:44:01 matchbox-panel-2 I think Aug 22 06:45:19 tried that, didn't work...maybe need some additional arguments Aug 22 07:03:03 hi guys! I am trying to compili 2007.2 (for the first time, using MokoMakefile) and here's what I got: http://pastebin.com/m2c4417a3 Aug 22 07:03:52 cayco, never seen that before Aug 22 07:05:20 jeddy3: hmmm, I did make update-mokofile, make update, make setup, make openmoko-devel-image Aug 22 07:06:14 cayco, yeah, that is correct procedure Aug 22 07:06:36 jeddy3: so I guess it is SVN (code) problem... Aug 22 07:06:44 cayco, there is probably just some errors in OE-tree right now, try updating and retrying later Aug 22 07:07:00 cayco, excactly Aug 22 07:07:20 jeddy3: ok, i wait, thx1 Aug 22 07:23:31 anyone know when more details about the products after the gta02? Aug 22 07:23:47 willbe available... Aug 22 07:25:09 nope Aug 22 07:25:16 only fic Aug 22 07:27:26 nickname, do not like neo? Aug 22 07:30:01 openmoko: 03abraxa * r2771 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/ (22 files in 2 dirs): Aug 22 07:30:01 openmoko: Added shuffle/repeat modes Aug 22 07:30:01 openmoko: Added stereo balance UI, despite lack of gstreamer support for it Aug 22 07:30:01 openmoko: Various UI/backend improvements Aug 22 07:35:39 when GTA02 is released, we should hear more about next year products Aug 22 07:39:16 i hope so Aug 22 07:39:33 i feel a burning inside Aug 22 07:42:09 nickname: I can suggest alka-seltzer for that ;) Aug 22 07:43:21 Can someone help me with the debug board / openocd? Aug 22 07:43:43 I've followed all the instructions on the wiki but when I run openocd I get: configuration.c:50 configuration_output_handler(): Command ft2232_vid_pid not found Aug 22 07:43:51 Not sure where to go Aug 22 07:43:59 oh! im nickname haha i havent configured this client yet. im on my ds Aug 22 07:46:19 what's the command of disable x server access control? Aug 22 07:46:39 Richard_, xhost Aug 22 07:59:56 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[No_Linux]] [[Wishlist:BuiltInScriptingLanguage]] [[Bootloader]] [[Xieji]] [[Luyindianhua]] [[Main_Page/xiyi]] [[Main_Page/xieji]] [[Main_Page/zhanlangongsi]] [[Xiyi]] [[User:Javiroman]] [[P1_Owners]] Aug 22 08:21:21 anyone else getting build issues on u-boot? Aug 22 08:21:36 FuzzyCat: not yet... Aug 22 08:21:40 FuzzyCat: I have problems with gsmd Aug 22 08:22:02 FuzzyCat: http://pastebin.com/m2c4417a3 Aug 22 08:26:48 FuzzyCat, I have. Patching fails Aug 22 08:41:14 hiya folks Aug 22 08:41:21 i'm finally able to complete a build. yay!! Aug 22 08:41:34 but now there seems to be something wrong with the image make script .. some sort of problem with sleep. :( Aug 22 08:41:37 can't create theh image. Aug 22 08:42:07 the question i have now is this: i am able to build. how can i start submitting patches to the main tree from this point on? i'd like to fix a few things that i found broken along the way these past *FIVE* days .. Aug 22 08:43:03 if you have answers, please /msg me .. going away now for a few hours. but i will lurk and catch your ideas about contributing back to the main tree. i'm one of those developers who would like to fulfill the 'open' part of openmoko. Aug 22 08:43:18 gotta go now, there's an OLPC meeting waiting for me .. Aug 22 08:45:07 FuzzyCat: just hit the uboot patch problem now Aug 22 08:46:09 FuzzyCat: http://pastebin.ca/666586 Aug 22 08:49:44 gordonsyme: me too Aug 22 08:49:53 torpor, openmoko apps/kernel/uboot go to openmoko bugzilla. Build issues (bitbake-related) go to OE bugzilla Aug 22 08:49:55 calamous: have you been able to solve your OpenOCD problem? Aug 22 09:02:07 mickey|taxes, oh, the new python-evas/ecore packages without easy-install.pth doesn't seem to make python aware of modules at all :( Aug 22 09:04:03 mickey|taxes, not my intention to whine, just thought you might want to know :) Aug 22 09:07:01 the 2007.2 snapshot that Sean announced yesterday has nice graphics and nice finger or fingernail-sized targets - makes me happy Aug 22 09:08:23 is there an url to that snapshot? Aug 22 09:08:28 X just crashed - I was trying to close the dialer Aug 22 09:08:46 guaga - 1 moment Aug 22 09:08:51 dcorking: forget gsm with that release. ;) Aug 22 09:10:05 thanks DPThought Aug 22 09:10:45 guaqua: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-August/000018.html Aug 22 09:12:08 DPThought: gsmd seems to have dies also - I wonder if it brought down X with it - that would have been a clever feat Aug 22 09:13:05 jeddy3, mickey|taxes: Interesting maybe: http://codeposts.blogspot.com/2007/08/toolkit-adventures.html Aug 22 09:13:14 the dialer generated some wierd sound effects (routed to headset only) - probably they came from gsmd - as they have gone now Aug 22 09:13:58 hehe andrunko Aug 22 09:14:00 jeddy3: http://maemo-efl.garage.maemo.org/ was linked from that blogpost too Aug 22 09:14:42 CM, interesting Aug 22 09:15:17 I see an opportunity for collaboration.. ;) Aug 22 09:16:23 CM, indeed, efl seems very reasonable/interesting for embedded GUIs Aug 22 09:17:09 * jeddy3 imagines edje-aware mainmenus/dialers Aug 22 09:18:02 Also nice to know that raster is hanging out here, and mickyl of course :) Aug 22 09:18:05 that would totally rock, would blow ordinary phones "theming capabilities" away Aug 22 09:18:50 CM yes i'm also very glad about that Aug 22 09:20:19 does someone have screenshots of the new interface? Aug 22 09:21:50 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ Aug 22 09:22:16 ooh...thanks :) Aug 22 09:25:22 i have maaany ideas for the today app :) Aug 22 09:33:11 * hhf423_w yawns Aug 22 09:33:29 * sparktherookie agrees Aug 22 09:34:56 dcorking: if you do the ipkg update etc. with that .08 release, gsmd gets somewhat more stable, but audio switching still does not work Aug 22 09:35:43 Hi, does anyone know how to solve this problem? http://pastebin.ca/666457 I have been getting it for a few days now Aug 22 09:39:10 mike123: Hmm.. I remember seeing someone having a problem with tinylogin yesterday, wait a sec Aug 22 09:39:54 cool... thanks :) Aug 22 09:41:27 thats not my pastebin btw - I found it via google... It would be great if people were encouraged to paste the solution in there too, thats twice I have found a pastebin but no answer :( Aug 22 09:43:12 hi spped evil Aug 22 09:43:35 do u know ny thing abt calypso baseband chip Aug 22 09:43:54 ny one there Aug 22 09:44:13 no, and no Aug 22 09:44:50 mike123: Ok, looked through the logs, at least 4 ppl having problems with that, but I don't know if anyone got around it. Some restarted with a clean build Aug 22 09:45:16 torpor: You had problems with the bin/tinylogin thing, how did you get around it? Aug 22 09:46:17 I am using a 32bit chroot - I thought that might be the problem... Ill try nuking it, is make clobber enough? Aug 22 09:46:49 It takes a long time to rebuild everything.. As I guess you know Aug 22 09:47:10 yep... even with a core 2 :( Aug 22 09:47:21 If you can wait a few minutes someone who knows more might come along Aug 22 09:47:28 the download isnt too fast either Aug 22 09:47:35 * CM nudges rwhitby gently Aug 22 09:47:43 ok... Aug 22 09:48:01 * CM is only a professional channel lurker ;) Aug 22 09:48:17 hhf423_w: thank you - I will have to figure out how to do this ipkg thing - at the moment my laptop is not masquerading the Neo to the internet Aug 22 09:48:40 dcorking: are you running linux on your laptop? Aug 22 09:49:05 CM: what about? Aug 22 09:49:57 rwhitby: Did you know the way around that tinylogin error? Aug 22 09:50:13 no, works for me. it could be a fakeroot and 64-bit thing Aug 22 09:50:18 Was discussed yesterday some time. Something about a missing bin folder Aug 22 09:50:25 Ok, works for me too Aug 22 09:50:26 makedevs on debian etch 32 bit creates required directories. Aug 22 09:50:30 only dev is created Aug 22 09:50:46 im using 32bit chroot which worked before Aug 22 09:50:55 I presume someone has entered the problem in the oe bugzilla? Aug 22 09:52:17 Don't know, since I haven't seen the problem myself Aug 22 09:52:53 ill report it, but I need to confirm its their bug before doing anything Aug 22 09:52:57 http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2820 Aug 22 09:53:10 ppl seem to get upset when I put bug reports in the wrong place Aug 22 09:53:25 ppl get upset when I fart in the elevator. Aug 22 09:53:28 such is lie. Aug 22 09:53:31 s/lie/life/ Aug 22 09:53:31 ewon meant: such is life. Aug 22 09:54:06 * Stephmw wonders if ewon would mind when I drop him down the elevator shaft... Aug 22 09:54:41 Stephmw: If you do, remember to yell "Feel free to fart there!" ;) Aug 22 09:58:45 battvolt is 3855 - what is formula to convert that into charge available/remaining? Aug 22 09:59:05 depends on calibration, no? Aug 22 09:59:26 Stephmw: I guess so - where do I find docs on calibration? Aug 22 10:00:02 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Sample_Native-Finger_Application]] [[Anti-Theft_Mode]] [[Templates/fr]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_London]] [[Talk:Can_I_become_a_distributor%3F]] [[Can_I_become_a_distributor%3F]] [[Carriers/TMobile]] [[GUI_Style_Guidelines]] [[SettingsGUI]] and other changes Aug 22 10:02:45 thanks for all the help... make clobber it is then Aug 22 10:06:30 openmoko: 03thomas * r2772 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/icons/openmoko-standard/36x36/stock/ (12 files): * Fix misnamed icons (closes bug 679) Aug 22 10:31:59 hmmm anyone know anything about the AT+F.. commands cant find anything on them Aug 22 10:32:24 xzcvczx, are those fax control commands? Aug 22 10:36:43 xzcvczx, GSM 07.07 refers to ITU-T T.31 and T.32 Aug 22 10:38:52 tonyg: ahhh your probably right... cheers Aug 22 10:39:54 * XorA knows AT+FCLASS is the fax class :-D Aug 22 10:42:05 XorA: lol yeah i knew that one Aug 22 10:43:06 i am just putting together a excel spreadsheet of all the supported AT commands... a description if known of the command and a summary of ATCMD ATCMD? ATCMD=? with the modem in a registered idle state Aug 22 10:53:07 xzcvczx: don't we already have one of these in the wiki? Aug 22 10:53:11 !seen elrond Aug 22 10:53:13 cesarb, elrond is right here! Aug 22 10:55:15 xzcvczx: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AT_Commands Aug 22 10:57:01 yeah, I did a few of those Aug 22 10:58:22 If one of the sphyrna (sp?) guys needs someone with a Neo in the southern hemisphere (Niterói and Rio de Janeiro - arount 22°53'), I should be able to lend a hand in a few days (after I flash the one which arrived yesterday) Aug 22 10:58:41 s/arount/around/ Aug 22 10:58:43 cesarb meant: If one of the sphyrna (sp?) guys needs someone with a Neo in the southern hemisphere (Niterói and Rio de Janeiro - around 22°53'), I should be able to lend a hand in a few days (after I flash the one which arrived yesterday) Aug 22 11:02:20 * rwhitby is perhaps the southernmost openmoko owner at -34.9 Aug 22 11:03:45 someone should set up a page like http://www.nslu2-linux.org/developers.php Aug 22 11:04:44 If I go home to my parents/hometown I guess I'm a good candidate for the most northen, from 57.4 to 63.5 N Aug 22 11:06:56 rwhitby: that page has only the text "NSLU2-Linux world-wide development:" to me Aug 22 11:07:12 cesarb: It's a google map Aug 22 11:07:16 I'm looking for info on what is included in the default openmoko images. I've found package lists in http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.1/tmp/deploy/ipk/*/ . Are those the lists I'm looking for? Aug 22 11:07:47 cesarb, allow javascript Aug 22 11:07:56 rwhitby: If there's to be one of those for openmoko, I'd like to have "Debugboard availible" in green or something :) Aug 22 11:08:11 cesarb: yeah i know about that i just dont think its quite incomplete thought so i will finish this off then look at merging it with that one Aug 22 11:08:29 * cesarb "temporarily allow"s with noscript Aug 22 11:08:39 Hm, someone from new zealand there ;-) Aug 22 11:08:54 yeah, but he doesn't have a neo. Aug 22 11:09:25 Well, time to go to work... See you guys this night. Aug 22 11:09:28 that map is of the nslu2-linux core team members Aug 22 11:12:35 hm, i can try to mess with the map-thing Aug 22 11:17:02 someone could also set up a map at frappr.com Aug 22 11:17:27 otoh, one needs a google-acc Aug 22 11:18:40 openmoko: 03thomas * r2773 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/gtkrc: * Ensure that unfocused treeviews display their selection clearly Aug 22 11:21:37 rwhitby: interesting, who's the kiwi on that map? looks like he's in the same city as I am Aug 22 11:23:21 and no, you're certainly not the southernmost openmoko owner :) Aug 22 11:23:28 anyone else seing problems with libsm in OE.dev? Aug 22 11:23:53 * rwhitby hands the southernmost title over to ajmitch Aug 22 11:24:50 heh Aug 22 11:26:53 * * OM Bug 733 has been created by kresp0(AT)yahoo.es Aug 22 11:26:54 * * Ignore call button Aug 22 11:26:55 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=733 Aug 22 11:27:03 * * OM Bug 732 has been created by kresp0(AT)yahoo.es Aug 22 11:27:05 * * display the DTMF tones received Aug 22 11:27:07 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=732 Aug 22 11:34:33 Finally some devel mails showing up on the list Aug 22 11:34:44 wow there are 246 published commands for the gsm chip Aug 22 11:39:37 rwhitby: what is the expected behaviour for makedevs.c? that it create the path for the file if it does not exist? if this is the expected behaviour of makedevs, why does image.bbclass mkdir /dev first? Aug 22 11:40:18 if the expected behaviour should be: make paths, i'll patch makedevs for that, no worries. Aug 22 11:40:38 torpor: it seems there was a recent change to makedevs (2007-08-20) in OE which is causing this error (http://pastebin.ca/666678) Aug 22 11:40:40 i just wasn't sure what else i might be breaking by doing that to makedevs instead of modifying image.bbclass (or taking the /bin entries out of the devices.txt file..) Aug 22 11:41:18 come to think of it, why *is* /bin/tinylogin being set up with makedevs instead of just being touched? Aug 22 11:41:27 the OE core devs are working on a solution Aug 22 11:41:35 ah i see. Aug 22 11:41:43 what channel, btw? Aug 22 11:41:44 RP knows about it Aug 22 11:41:46 #oe Aug 22 11:42:22 (script) openmoko-community: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" Re: compile problem: OOM when compiling Aug 22 11:42:37 cool .. i'll lurk there too then. makes sense, dunno why i didn't think of course #oe instead of #openembedded. doh. Aug 22 11:46:22 (script) openmoko-community: Harald Welte Re: Forum? (Was Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions) Aug 22 11:48:52 bah! poweroff doesn't seem to be working right for me. That's twice in a row that I thought I'd turned it off ok, only to find a deep-discharged battery when I came back to it a few hours later :-( Aug 22 11:49:17 * tonyg looks forward to having an opportunity to flash a fresh kernel/rootfs combo to see if it fixes things Aug 22 11:50:11 tonyg: it appears not all harware is powered off, even if the CPU is, like GSM modem Aug 22 11:50:35 tonyg: AFAIK this is a known issue and if you remove the battery after shutdown and place it back in everything remains off ... Aug 22 11:52:05 Yes, I've noticed that too. Wonder what's still on Aug 22 11:54:27 rxr, thanks - I'll remember that :-) Aug 22 11:55:03 idle curiosity - is there a software technique for discovering what's drawing power, or is that something best left to owners of the debug boards? (and multimeters) Aug 22 11:57:21 openmoko: 03njp * r2774 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/icons/openmoko-standard/36x36/stock/Makefile.am: Aug 22 11:57:21 openmoko: * Updated the Makefile.am to reflect the new icons. Aug 22 11:57:21 openmoko: * Also made the file look somewhat sane. Aug 22 11:59:22 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Gothenburg]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Madrid]] [[Building_Gadget_USB_Module]] [[Meet_the_Core_Team]] [[FIC]] [[Neo1973]] [[Neo1973_Phase_2]] [[Can_I_become_a_distributor%3F]] [[OpenMoko2007.2]] [[Wish_List]] and other changes Aug 22 12:00:18 tonyg: no idea, I just joined for evening tinkering fun recently ... Aug 22 12:01:01 tonyg: probably you could work around that mostly for now, by echoing 0 into some sys/deveice/platform/... {gsm,gps,bt} .../power_on files before shutting down Aug 22 12:01:13 (in some scripts) Aug 22 12:02:00 rxr, good idea. Aug 22 12:06:27 hmm. which /proc/ file should I cat to get battery charge info? Aug 22 12:06:37 /proc/apm gives: 1.13 1.2 0x02 0x01 0x03 0x08 -1% -1 ? Aug 22 12:07:07 wasn't that some file in /sys/ ? Aug 22 12:07:10 cesarb - What's up? Aug 22 12:08:07 tonyg - /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-0/0-0008/ (or something alike): cat battvolt battemp chg* Aug 22 12:10:31 Elrond, thank! Aug 22 12:10:33 *thanks Aug 22 12:11:22 does AT+CNUM work for anyway? Aug 22 12:12:40 hi people ! Aug 22 12:14:14 batvolt 4200-3700 or so is 100%-10% charge Aug 22 12:14:50 SpeedEvil, thanks. I'm on 3802 :-) Aug 22 12:15:11 * tonyg . o O (hmm. i wonder if the scale's linear) Aug 22 12:15:26 * kristian-m likes the new charger-battery icon :-) Aug 22 12:16:44 It's not Aug 22 12:17:39 tonyg: nah its not.... they are working on getting a more accurate one done Aug 22 12:17:49 I've got a patch that I keep trying to find time to polish and submit for nice battery reading Aug 22 12:18:08 including assorted nicenesses. Aug 22 12:20:58 where can I disable annoying startup sound? Aug 22 12:22:22 yoyo, just look for the wav file that is played and replace it Aug 22 12:22:30 or remove Aug 22 12:23:01 xkr47: it is around work :P there must by some script Aug 22 12:24:38 does AT+CNUM work for anyone? Aug 22 12:27:36 XorA: OT, but fun: http://nostarch.com/frameset.php?startat=flego Aug 22 12:27:36 xzcvczx, just flashing a new root/kernel, I can experiment after that if you like Aug 22 12:27:54 at+cnum Aug 22 12:27:55 +CNUM: "LINE 1","07943894922",129 Aug 22 12:29:02 SMSs to that number I will read eventually, phone calls are not working ATM. Aug 22 12:29:12 CM: lego weapons, wicked Aug 22 12:29:21 :) Aug 22 12:29:23 CM: I have two of the banned lego cannons :_) Aug 22 12:29:28 Hehe Aug 22 12:29:29 omfg coolness Aug 22 12:29:55 XorA: That pistol in the video was pretty quick Aug 22 12:30:04 btw. has anyone had a recent build/snapsot with gsm working? Just curious. :) Aug 22 12:30:07 although the bolt thrower is actually still shipped by lego Aug 22 12:30:13 and that is insanely pwerful Aug 22 12:32:09 DPThought, not so much ;-) Aug 22 12:32:27 outbound calls worked for me... once Aug 22 12:32:31 inbound... not at all. Aug 22 12:35:34 CM: nice. I knew i could do dangerous things with lego without combining it with razor blades as i did. (tried to build a lawn mower out of lego. Did not work) Aug 22 12:36:32 DPThought: I built a kind of lawn mover too with lego, but using a real "trimmer" electric motor Aug 22 12:36:59 hmm, a mindstorms mower robot Aug 22 12:37:33 DPThought: That was after noticing that connecting my lego-motor to my dads car charger made it very strong and fast, but only for about 1 minute until it melted Aug 22 12:37:41 ah, back when I built catapults of lego.. those were the days Aug 22 12:38:36 12V instead of 9V? Aug 22 12:38:40 XorA: Would be cool to have some NXT <-> Neo connection Aug 22 12:38:55 hrw: Yes, and I was only 10 years old Aug 22 12:39:18 is there a bluetooth mindstorms controller? Aug 22 12:39:37 rwhitby: Yes, to the newest lego robot stuff Aug 22 12:40:07 CM: i did not learned the lection about velocity and knetic energy then. Aug 22 12:40:24 rwhitby: http://mindstorms.lego.com/Overview/The_NXT.aspx Aug 22 12:40:35 http://www.quietearth.us/nxtlibc.htm Aug 22 12:42:19 I'd like openloop servo with high-precision digital angular encoders 8) Aug 22 12:42:35 and since we can run perl on the neo: http://nxt.ivorycity.com/ Aug 22 12:43:16 * XorA has minstrorms RCX not NXT brick Aug 22 12:45:38 XorA: would maybe work with a bluetooth serial adaptor and ir on serial... Aug 22 12:46:58 DPThought: just hacking out serial port on Neo would be more productive Aug 22 12:47:07 DPThought: chop the GSM out or something :-) Aug 22 12:47:19 XorA: since it isn't working anyway... Aug 22 12:47:24 who needs GSM in a phone anyway Aug 22 12:47:30 hehe Aug 22 12:47:53 DPThought: GSM works Aug 22 12:47:56 such narrow-minded thinking ;-) Aug 22 12:47:59 DPThought: kinda Aug 22 12:49:47 ll Aug 22 12:49:53 doh Aug 22 12:50:45 openmoko: 03njp * r2775 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-contacts.c src/moko-tips.c): Aug 22 12:50:45 openmoko: 2007-08-22 Neil J. Patel Aug 22 12:50:45 openmoko: * src/moko-contacts.c: (moko_contacts_fuzzy_lookup), Aug 22 12:50:45 openmoko: (moko_contacts_init): Aug 22 12:50:45 openmoko: Properly initialise private variables. Aug 22 12:50:47 openmoko: * src/moko-tips.c: (moko_tips_init): Aug 22 12:50:51 openmoko: Don't load a default image. Aug 22 12:52:12 speedevil: lol i had no desire to contact it just see whether it worked for anyone as it doesnt work on my simcard Aug 22 12:53:08 comes back as blank.... Aug 22 12:53:32 actually does ERROR Aug 22 12:56:50 XorA: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=582 out of the box serial line over bluetoth. A bit on the pricy side though. :) Aug 22 12:59:49 lol if anyone wants a nice photo that shows how easily our cops get distracted in NZ i will pm it to you DEFINATELY not suitable for work Aug 22 13:00:01 * XorA chuckles Aug 22 13:00:31 its a nice photo with one of my mates as the feature the cop is distracted by Aug 22 13:00:32 :P Aug 22 13:01:11 xzcvczx: I'm sure I couldn't see it anyway, the stupid Ford proxies even block bash.org Aug 22 13:01:15 ooh, tempty Aug 22 13:01:27 xzcvczx: just post it Aug 22 13:01:36 CM: its not on a well known server of any sort Aug 22 13:01:42 :) Aug 22 13:01:47 DPThought: lol i am not posting this sort of pic in a logged channel Aug 22 13:01:49 * XorA uses a Windows Mobile phone for NSFW stuff :-) Aug 22 13:02:01 (script) openmoko-community: Harald Welte Re: mailing list management Aug 22 13:02:10 xzcvczx: I do :P Aug 22 13:02:29 xzcvczx: wimp :p Then send it to me. :)) Aug 22 13:02:56 xzcvczx: you've piqued my curiosity now :) Aug 22 13:02:57 xzcvczx: Hehe Aug 22 13:03:05 we had the breasts on bikes parade in town today Aug 22 13:03:06 xzcvczx: lol Aug 22 13:03:36 xzcvczx: Nice theme Aug 22 13:03:43 xzcvczx, ah, Christchurch? Aug 22 13:03:53 tonyg: no the real city in NZ :P Aug 22 13:03:58 the only one with > 1mil Aug 22 13:04:02 * tonyg resets his memory Aug 22 13:04:07 clearly I am defective Aug 22 13:04:11 xzcvczx: I read that as beasts on bikes, and was thinking scary man beasts :-) Aug 22 13:04:41 XorA: lol thats the first person i have seen get it that way around.... normally its the other way around Aug 22 13:05:07 * xzcvczx looks at cm, DPThought, cjb_ie's wallpapers and see that photo :P Aug 22 13:05:40 Hehe Aug 22 13:05:47 xzcvczx: wallpapers suck Aug 22 13:05:49 Well, maybe not here at work :-P Aug 22 13:06:01 (script) openmoko-community: Harald Welte Re: Forum? (Was Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions) Aug 22 13:06:06 cm: all the more fun Aug 22 13:08:59 * xzcvczx wishes someone would bring out a gps/gsm hybrid which worked on gsm but would also use gsm towers to give more accurate GPS data Aug 22 13:09:20 that would need the telcos to emit accurate time though Aug 22 13:09:31 cjb_ie: no just reception levels Aug 22 13:09:42 xzcvczx: You mean agps, kind of, but positions from the cell towers too? Aug 22 13:09:52 xzcvczx: no way that'd be good enough without knowing about terrain Aug 22 13:09:58 CM: yeah pretty much Aug 22 13:10:28 xzcvczx, i wish gsm and gps would work /somehow/ :D Aug 22 13:10:45 cjb_ie: well it would still be an advantage of types for countries which havent employed a AGPS system....... Aug 22 13:10:59 and the fact we see stuff all lights at once Aug 22 13:11:26 xzcvczx, gsm is just not suited for that :-/ but, if you have GSM cell id (and database with cell coords) & time from net, you can rapidly bootstrap even without AGPS Aug 22 13:11:51 mdt: oh well just look forward to the day we can work out where we are and hack wall street throught the bluetooth in the device and completely win a lot of money from the econmoy Aug 22 13:12:46 xzcvczx, anyway you have to ask the provider for the coords of the cell... Aug 22 13:13:11 mdt: just make your own db...... walk round when you dont need the data and find the cell Aug 22 13:13:55 * * OM Bug 734 has been created by mike(AT)blueroot.co.uk Aug 22 13:13:56 * * openmoko-devel-image fails with extra python packages Aug 22 13:13:57 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=734 Aug 22 13:15:26 xzcvczx: oop, just saw freenode telling me i couldn't PM you thanks for the url :) Aug 22 13:15:52 xzcvczx: is that URL typable in reasonable time? Aug 22 13:16:29 aaaa!! first success finished dial :)) using moko ;)) Aug 22 13:16:52 yoyo: with the dialer? Aug 22 13:16:54 * * OM Bug 735 has been created by spamisevil(AT)alum.dartmouth.org Aug 22 13:16:55 * * Network Status bar quits Aug 22 13:16:56 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=735 Aug 22 13:17:07 borg_: yes!!! Aug 22 13:17:15 yoyo: nice :) Aug 22 13:17:21 with which build? Aug 22 13:17:24 without uwithout using console :)) Aug 22 13:17:26 yoyo, wow... ;) how often can you repeat that? ;) Aug 22 13:17:54 * * OM Bug 736 has been created by nikosverschore(AT)gmail.com Aug 22 13:17:55 * * the 2007.2 software doesn't let you calibrate your screen Aug 22 13:17:56 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=736 Aug 22 13:18:03 * * OM Bug 737 has been created by andreas(AT)bawue.net Aug 22 13:18:05 lol update galore Aug 22 13:18:05 * * Dialer crashes on startup Aug 22 13:18:07 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=737 Aug 22 13:18:14 cdbot2: SHUT UP Aug 22 13:18:16 * * OM Bug 738 has been created by andreas(AT)bawue.net Aug 22 13:18:18 * * System does not shut down correctly. Aug 22 13:18:20 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=738 Aug 22 13:18:27 cdbot2: STFU Aug 22 13:18:54 * * OM Bug 739 has been created by  Aug 22 13:18:55 * * svnREV missing from uImage Aug 22 13:18:56 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=739 Aug 22 13:19:03 * * OM Bug 740 has been created by jseghers(AT)cequint.com Aug 22 13:19:05 * * openmoko-devel-image do_rootfs fails in makedevs Aug 22 13:19:07 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=740 Aug 22 13:19:16 * * OM Bug 741 has been created by mcl(AT)bitwise.org Aug 22 13:19:18 * * Image of Neo hardware shows debug board Aug 22 13:19:20 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=741 Aug 22 13:22:36 * CM takes a coffee break Aug 22 13:22:36 yoyo: well, for what's it worth, I only managed to dial out _once_, not repeatable and dialin is not possible either. But it's getting there. :D Aug 22 13:24:22 ixs:I'w install 2007.2 and there after starting from hand gsmd and openmoko-dialer it whose possible :) Aug 22 13:26:23 It is gating more and more fun :) Aug 22 13:28:04 s*** modem dead! Aug 22 13:33:51 * kristian-m wonders why dependencies of packages from the local.conf are build but not included in the rootfs - any idea? Aug 22 13:34:16 bitbake -c rebuild task-base does not help here Aug 22 13:35:45 * hrw would like to kill all people which use local.conf to change image contents instead of writing own image recipe Aug 22 13:35:49 kristian-m: I'd rather suggest creating an openmoko-cristian-image based on the openmoko-images Aug 22 13:35:54 heh Aug 22 13:37:17 okay, i'll do :-) Aug 22 13:38:49 openmoko: 03njp * r2776 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c src/moko-notify.c): Aug 22 13:38:49 openmoko: 2007-08-22 Neil J. Patel Aug 22 13:38:49 openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_incoming_clip): Aug 22 13:38:49 openmoko: * src/moko-notify.c: (moko_notify_check_brightness): Aug 22 13:38:49 openmoko: Use the right device to set brightness. Aug 22 13:42:07 how "Neil J. Patel" can commit to repository? Aug 22 13:42:30 yoyo: Because he works for us? Aug 22 13:42:40 yoyo: OpenHanded employee Aug 22 13:43:07 it it community? or not? Aug 22 13:43:11 hrw: why should local.conf not be used to image contents -- just trying to understand as I just made a commit suggesting that. Aug 22 13:43:18 yoyo: Paid work Aug 22 13:43:55 yoyo: But also community people have svn access. Just send us enough patches that we get tired to apply them for you. :) Aug 22 13:44:20 I bored moko for fun :) not for mony :/ Aug 22 13:44:37 yoyo: So write patches for fun? Aug 22 13:45:24 patches are killer fun, def jump on that yoyo Aug 22 13:45:29 I spend X days to write bt manager for panel and nothing :P Aug 22 13:45:51 is x a number greater than 1? Aug 22 13:45:54 * * OM Bug 742 has been created by emreturkay(AT)gmail.com Aug 22 13:45:55 * * neo shuts down on task remove Aug 22 13:45:56 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=742 Aug 22 13:46:24 jeddy3: sorry, i had one more bug in staging. if you have a chance, try rebuilding python-evas again. it should stage now. Aug 22 13:47:02 (script) openmoko-community: Harald Welte Re: USB host Aug 22 13:47:04 BryceLeo: yes greater: and I'm a one from not many people who have possibility to enable disable receive files and so on not from console :P Aug 22 13:47:25 ahh Aug 22 13:47:37 "openmoko" is a good name Aug 22 13:48:48 mickeyl, nod Aug 22 13:49:40 mickeyl, will do later, good work! Aug 22 13:49:47 cbrake: if you want to have image with some extra stuff then you make new image recipe. not changing DISTRO_* MACHINE_* vars as they will not propagate if you do not remember about rebuilding task-base. and also such way finally gives mess to support Aug 22 13:51:45 cbrake: if someone has problem and then tell that he use DISTRO_*/MACHINE_* stuff it show that he do not now how packages works... Aug 22 13:54:45 hrw yap, so we're learning Aug 22 13:55:33 yoyo: can you point me to your latest sources? Aug 22 13:56:17 mickeyl: sec. Aug 22 13:57:42 mickeyl: There is also some code to power up the bt radio from the bt applet: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=639#c2 Aug 22 13:58:15 now that the snapshot is out, i will hopefully have a bit more time to deal with incoming patches Aug 22 13:59:27 mickeyl: Since yesterday we are from ~280 bugs down to ~210 again. We should work to get it < 200 within september Aug 22 13:59:40 excellent. good work Aug 22 14:00:13 mickeyl: Most was just cleaning up after deprecating OM2007 Aug 22 14:00:22 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_compatible_cellphone_providers]] [[User:Dcorking]] [[User:ScaredyCat]] [[P1_Owners]] [[User:Wvrn]] [[GUI_Style_Guidelines/de]] [[Building_Gadget_USB_Module]] Aug 22 14:01:38 mickeyl: http:__d3p.pl/tmp/moko-panel-bt_svn_20070822_1557_35.tar.bz2 Aug 22 14:01:41 (script) openmoko-community: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" Re: openmoko API Documentation and 1 other mails Aug 22 14:02:34 openmoko: 03njp * r2777 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-notify.c): Aug 22 14:02:34 openmoko: 2007-08-22 Neil J. Patel Aug 22 14:02:34 openmoko: * src/moko-notify.c: (moko_notify_check_brightness): Aug 22 14:02:34 openmoko: Some fixes to the brightness manipulation. Aug 22 14:02:47 mickeyl: ping Aug 22 14:03:10 zecke: pöng Aug 22 14:03:24 What's pöng? Aug 22 14:03:39 OMFG, IT'S THE PÖNGINATOR! Aug 22 14:03:42 a somewhat less confirming ping Aug 22 14:03:45 yoyo: PoznaÅ„? Aug 22 14:04:08 pöng also sounds like the swedish word for balls Aug 22 14:04:10 mickeyl: That would fail the parsing and got dropped. Please re-read the RFC ;) Aug 22 14:04:11 mickeyl: I have a couple of header changes to make h2def.py more happy Aug 22 14:04:18 hrw: yes Aug 22 14:04:27 zecke: pastebin? Aug 22 14:04:31 yoyo: so do I Aug 22 14:04:51 yoyo: got neo phone already? Aug 22 14:05:00 hrw: makes sense -- thanks for the explanation Aug 22 14:05:01 mickeyl: can't you get a lisppaste here :) Aug 22 14:05:25 http://openmoko.pastebin.com/ Aug 22 14:05:28 needs to be enough :D Aug 22 14:05:34 hrw: world is so small village Aug 22 14:05:40 mickeyl: and if I paste there it will post the link here? Aug 22 14:05:53 oh i see what you're after Aug 22 14:05:57 that'd be handy Aug 22 14:05:58 hrw: about 16 days a go Aug 22 14:05:59 cbrake: and if user mess with those vars we do not know what he got when he will tell that he used 'openmoko-devel-image' - especially when add more stuff then rootfs can take Aug 22 14:06:04 mickeyl: watch and learn in #oe Aug 22 14:06:09 yoyo: base or advanced? Aug 22 14:06:41 hrw: base, Im a pure working student. and you? Aug 22 14:06:42 yoyo: if base then keep in mind that I have debugboard so if you brick then you only have to go to me to unbrick Aug 22 14:07:01 (script) openmoko-community: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" Re: compile problem: OOM when compiling Aug 22 14:07:03 hrw: :) Aug 22 14:07:16 yoyo: I do not have base or advanced. I have 2 phones (neo bv3 and bv4) with debug board Aug 22 14:07:43 hrw: so EXTRA_RDEPENDS should only be used in machine/distro conf files ... Aug 22 14:07:56 cbrake: exactly Aug 22 14:08:30 cbrake: we can add 'own-image.bb' into OE which will use OWN_IMAGE_EXTRA_STUFF_TO_INSTALL var and mark it as unsupported Aug 22 14:10:09 hrw: ok, I was not sure about adding a bunch of extra image bb's to OE, but now I understand Aug 22 14:10:39 the new design reached the german http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/94724 computer-mag... Aug 22 14:10:48 mickeyl: what Gtk+ is doing differently is they just start with typedef enum {} Foo; I do it the same as with structs Aug 22 14:10:54 * * OM Bug 743 has been created by  Aug 22 14:10:55 * * openmoko-icon-theme-standard2-0.1.0+svn20070821-r0-do_compile Aug 22 14:10:56 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=743 Aug 22 14:11:02 openmoko: 03njp * r2778 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-notify.c): Aug 22 14:11:02 openmoko: 2007-08-22 Neil J. Patel Aug 22 14:11:02 openmoko: * src/moko-notify.c: (moko_notify_check_brightness): Aug 22 14:11:02 openmoko: More notification fixes. Aug 22 14:11:24 * zecke swears that attachment are broken... Aug 22 14:11:49 zecke: i see. go ahead and commit that. i like it. please add "don't manually change this again or you'll break the binding-generator" to the commit message Aug 22 14:12:11 it even fits my personal taste more Aug 22 14:12:19 i don't like these artificially word-wrapped lines Aug 22 14:12:29 i have many characters per line :D Aug 22 14:15:33 so anyone got ahold of the do_rootfs problem trying to create tinylogin? Aug 22 14:19:02 While building uboot-openmoko package; it fails in do_quilt task as it cannot patch fs/cramfs/cramfs.c file Aug 22 14:19:22 defer_: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=740#c1 Aug 22 14:19:31 the patch : uboot-cramfs_but_no_jffs2.patch fails to apply Aug 22 14:19:50 rmoravci1: ty Aug 22 14:20:17 openmoko: 03njp * r2779 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-contacts.c src/moko-notify.c): Aug 22 14:20:17 openmoko: 2007-08-22 Neil J. Patel Aug 22 14:20:17 openmoko: * src/moko-contacts.c: (moko_contacts_fuzzy_lookup): Aug 22 14:20:17 openmoko: * src/moko-notify.c: (moko_notify_check_brightness): Aug 22 14:20:17 openmoko: Remove some unnecessary printf's. Aug 22 14:20:37 deepank: mtn pull Aug 22 14:21:54 XorA: I did not get you? can you please elaborate Aug 22 14:22:10 deepank: update your repo Aug 22 14:22:35 XorA:ok .. silly me Aug 22 14:22:53 deepank: mickeyl made a change to pin right patches to right git earlier today Aug 22 14:24:21 ok Aug 22 14:26:59 mickeyl: want to see the final patch? Aug 22 14:27:09 zecke: yes, please Aug 22 14:27:23 still no lisppate here ;) Aug 22 14:30:53 zecke: go for it Aug 22 14:31:08 do you want to fix my changelog message? Aug 22 14:31:50 I got a bunch of undeclared in gtkcombobox.c Is there a patch for this? Aug 22 14:32:05 undeclared varibles Aug 22 14:32:52 openmoko: 03zecke * r2780 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/ (7 files in 6 dirs): (log message trimmed) Aug 22 14:32:52 openmoko: libmokogsmd2: Aug 22 14:32:52 openmoko: 2007-08-22 Holger Freyther Aug 22 14:32:52 openmoko: Rubberstamped by Mickey. Aug 22 14:32:52 openmoko: Change the hethat way.ader to help h2def.py find GObjects. Please keep Aug 22 14:32:54 openmoko: this that way. Aug 22 14:32:56 openmoko: * libmokogsmd/moko-gsmd-connection.h: Aug 22 14:34:16 DukeOfURL: http://pastebin.ca/666844 Aug 22 14:34:35 thanks Aug 22 14:35:33 I've got Squeak 2.8 running on the Neo1973: http://www.lshift.net/~tonyg/neo1973-squeak-2.8-vm-3.9.jpg Aug 22 14:35:47 hi :) Aug 22 14:35:47 now it's just a matter of improving the image-side of things :-) as the VM seems to run OK Aug 22 14:35:50 tonyg you rock Aug 22 14:36:02 tonyg: awesome :) Aug 22 14:36:03 http://www.lshift.net/~tonyg/neo1973-squeak-2.8-vm-3.9.jpg Aug 22 14:36:07 damn putty Aug 22 14:36:10 heh Aug 22 14:36:39 lovely morph Aug 22 14:37:02 immediate problems: 1. Smalltalk wants more than one mouse button. 2. Keyboard/text input will be important 3. it's a 2.8 image, which is oooooold Aug 22 14:37:13 zecke: seen http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ ? your feedreader is the first image Aug 22 14:37:59 openmoko: 03njp * r2781 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) Aug 22 14:37:59 openmoko: 2007-08-22 Neil J. Patel Aug 22 14:37:59 openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_talking_silence), (moko_dialer_init): Aug 22 14:37:59 openmoko: * src/moko-talking.c: (on_silence_clicked), Aug 22 14:38:00 openmoko: (moko_talking_class_init), (moko_talking_init): Aug 22 14:38:02 openmoko: * src/moko-talking.h: Aug 22 14:38:04 openmoko: Add 'silence/ignore' capability to incoming calls i.e. stop the ringing and Aug 22 14:38:14 mickeyl: lovely, now I can go home and continue to read amerika Aug 22 14:38:19 i must say... 2007.2 is freaking gorgeous Aug 22 14:41:23 "GTA02 will be able to supply 5V in host mode, it was abandoned." (Harald Welte) Aug 22 14:41:27 "Awesome, is this news or did I just find out?" (William Voorhees) Aug 22 14:41:34 "It is intentionally leaked but not yet finally confirmed and officially announced and confirmed information. Being able to do that is one of the few sources of joy that I still have ;)" (Harald Welte) Aug 22 14:41:34 openmoko: 03njp * r2782 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c): Aug 22 14:41:34 openmoko: 2007-08-22 Neil J. Patel Aug 22 14:41:34 openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_network_registered): Aug 22 14:41:34 openmoko: Correctly format output. Aug 22 14:41:37 hehe Aug 22 14:41:57 aloril: where does that come from? Aug 22 14:42:21 community-mailing list Subject: USB host Aug 22 14:42:27 !ombug 741 Aug 22 14:42:27 * * Bug 741, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown Aug 22 14:42:28 * * mcl(AT)bitwise.org: Image of Neo hardware shows debug board Aug 22 14:42:29 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=741 Aug 22 14:43:01 mickeyl: oops, I think I need to poke the o-hand folks to fix :} Aug 22 14:50:04 zecke: *nod* Aug 22 14:50:07 zecke: you have my supprot Aug 22 14:50:09 support, even Aug 22 14:50:34 polyonymous org.oe.dev * r054b937d... / (1 packages/qt/qt4-x11-free_4.3.0.bb): qt-x11-free 4.3.0: removed bashism, closes bug #2816 Aug 22 14:50:41 that may help some guys here as well Aug 22 14:52:35 openmoko: 03njp * r2783 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c): Aug 22 14:52:35 openmoko: 2007-08-22 Neil J. Patel Aug 22 14:52:35 openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_talking_reject_call), Aug 22 14:52:35 openmoko: (on_talking_cancel_call), (on_talking_silence): Aug 22 14:52:35 openmoko: Make sure function ordering is correct so multiple tabs do not open. Aug 22 14:55:03 Running task 915 of 3381... Aug 22 14:55:22 you guys are busy in here Aug 22 14:57:53 openmoko: 03njp * r2784 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c): Aug 22 14:57:53 openmoko: 2007-08-22 Neil J. Patel Aug 22 14:57:53 openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_talking_accept_call): Aug 22 14:57:53 openmoko: Fix ordering here as well. Aug 22 15:02:29 DukeOfURL: I see that you don't have INHERIT += "rm_work" in your local.conf. It does work now again, if you want to save some space. :-) Aug 22 15:05:41 CPU speed is my problem. The only i386 box remaining is an Athlon 2400+ MP Aug 22 15:06:02 Everything alse is x86_64 Aug 22 15:06:07 else Aug 22 15:06:39 DukeOfURL: try setarch i386 make Aug 22 15:06:41 DukeOfURL: could work. Aug 22 15:16:41 openmoko: 03mickey * r2785 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-calculator2/ (ChangeLog README openmoko-calculator.pro src/calc-main.c): Aug 22 15:16:41 openmoko: openmoko-calculator2: Aug 22 15:16:41 openmoko: * set label for calulator table, so we can identify from style Aug 22 15:16:41 openmoko: * rename Clear All/Clear to CE/C to have more space in general Aug 22 15:17:41 So, does the 2007.2 keyboard work? Aug 22 15:17:43 How do I open it? Aug 22 15:17:51 just flashed 2007.2 and the UI keeps bombing out to '....hereFreeFontPath: FPE "build-ins" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. ' and then nothing. Power button does not interrupt, how can I power cycle without having to pull the battery? Aug 22 15:17:57 press any inputtext Aug 22 15:18:01 Input Manager application, I believe, tonyg? Aug 22 15:18:25 radiorental: Did you try holding the buttton for 8+ secs? Aug 22 15:18:55 tonyg: if you tap in text fields it will open. But you need to start input manager for keybard in terminal. (klick in the white blob in the top menu bar. The far right side of the blob is a dropdown for selecting the keyboard type) Aug 22 15:19:15 daxxar: no worky Aug 22 15:19:42 tonyg: but anything besides terminal should bring up a keybard automaticly Aug 22 15:20:02 hm. no white blob... Aug 22 15:20:24 also, 'Input Manager' application launched the calc for me... Aug 22 15:20:45 radiorental, me too, until I clicked so many times on it it opened a number of copies of the white blob :-) Aug 22 15:20:51 DPThought, thanks Aug 22 15:20:59 tonyg, radiorental: oh yes. i think the app launcher is broken. select utilities in the dropdown of the app launcher and then select input manager Aug 22 15:21:23 .oO(i should probaly report this bug...) Aug 22 15:22:31 2007.2 looks nicer but its wicked unstable, more so than .1 Aug 22 15:22:59 on the 3rd battery pull in less than 15 minutes Aug 22 15:23:29 openmoko: 03wansti * r2786 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/artwork/sounds/ (3 files): new version of "There Is No Phone" Aug 22 15:23:40 is there any way to turn off the boot sound. I'm at work here people! Aug 22 15:23:49 its damn loud Aug 22 15:24:27 radiorental: move the sound file somewhere else Aug 22 15:25:00 :) Aug 22 15:25:11 "the openmoko way" Aug 22 15:26:04 guaqua: Yeah, we force you to use the source to change the hardcoded filenames ;-) Aug 22 15:26:06 hmm. does the openmoko-keyboard inject key events to X, or does it simulate them at a different level? Aug 22 15:26:38 alphaone: no need to do any extra hacks to get that far, though ;) Aug 22 15:26:50 tonyg: it's afaik coupled with the window maker and creates regular x events. you see the events in the x-server log output Aug 22 15:27:10 hm. ok. must be something else preventing them from getting through. Aug 22 15:27:14 tonyg: so i think yes. But don't know Aug 22 15:27:56 tonyg: how that? Aug 22 15:28:18 Runnign squeak, i'm not getting the simulated keystrokes showing up. Aug 22 15:28:40 in case you have seen, blog entry about 2007.2: http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2007/08/21/openmoko-20072/ Aug 22 15:29:38 tonyg: meybe i'm wrong :) Aug 22 15:30:11 :) Aug 22 15:30:40 tonyg: but i don't think so. Because mrxvt for example is as far as i know just any plain x application with no moko hacks. And it gets keystrokes Aug 22 15:30:50 ok, that's good to know Aug 22 15:31:25 hmf, the scrollbars in the app loader don't work Aug 22 15:32:19 tonyg: they arent scrollbars. ;) they are just indicators. use your finger and scroll the whole list Aug 22 15:32:25 who writes an emial with 'Lipstick on a fetus' as the subject... Aug 22 15:32:29 kinetic scrolling ;) Aug 22 15:32:50 FuzzyCat: Ken Young, apparently... Aug 22 15:32:53 openmoko: 03mickey * r2787 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/openmoko-calculator: theming/openmoko-calculator: increase font size on calculator buttons Aug 22 15:32:59 DPThought, oooo! i like that Aug 22 15:33:10 tonyg: i don't :) Aug 22 15:33:24 openmoko: 03njp * r2788 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-notify.c): Aug 22 15:33:24 openmoko: 2007-08-22 Neil J. Patel Aug 22 15:33:24 openmoko: * src/moko-notify.c: (moko_notify_start), (moko_notify_stop): Aug 22 15:33:24 openmoko: Disable ringtone, as gstreamer seems to be taking an age doing anything Aug 22 15:33:24 openmoko: useful, and at the same time, blocking the UI. Aug 22 15:34:05 tonyg: the price seems to be that just tapping applications in the lists gets very tricky and how 'kinetic' you tip he scroller is not really predictable Aug 22 15:34:20 tonyg: but i belive this will become better Aug 22 15:34:21 mmh Aug 22 15:34:29 this blog post has to be taken with a grain of salt Aug 22 15:34:59 * FuzzyCat checks planet Aug 22 15:35:20 Also - it kills the possibility to do full-screen glyph recognition. Aug 22 15:35:25 Could someone copy the missing image as well (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GUI_Style_Guidelines)? Aug 22 15:36:12 and when talking about GUIs, a graphical representation (read images) of the style guide would be appreciated as well Aug 22 15:38:51 one comment about automatic on screen keyboard: not very useful when used with bluetooth keyboard (though I guess this is minority usage case) Aug 22 15:39:30 aloril: should be possible to avoid i think. write patch. :) Aug 22 15:39:35 openmoko: 03mickey * r2789 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-calculator2/src/calc-main.c: openmoko-calculator2: don't use markup in display label, we do it by style now Aug 22 15:40:17 DPThought: yeah, should be easy to fix: configure option ;-) Aug 22 15:40:44 aloril: ..or automatic detection of further input devices Aug 22 15:40:59 DPThought: ah, yeah better Aug 22 15:41:29 which reminds me. is there something like a control panel for global options? (or is it planned?) Aug 22 15:41:29 openmoko: 03njp * r2790 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c): Aug 22 15:41:29 openmoko: 2007-08-22 Neil J. Patel Aug 22 15:41:29 openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_talking_accept_call), Aug 22 15:41:29 openmoko: (on_call_progress_changed): Aug 22 15:41:29 openmoko: Set the 'talking' page when connected. Aug 22 15:41:56 i'd hope.... Aug 22 15:42:13 $EDITOR+/etc/program.conf is not really a solution ~_~ Aug 22 15:42:42 anrp: better than gconftool :) Aug 22 15:51:22 clear Aug 22 15:51:33 Any workaround for the do_rootfs problem? Aug 22 15:52:04 eggsy http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=740 Aug 22 15:52:44 eggsy: you still run into the uboot problem Aug 22 15:53:53 Writchie: no that works for me now Aug 22 15:54:36 how Aug 22 15:55:13 kristian-m: I'll try that (unsuccessfully tried something similar yesterday) Aug 22 15:56:39 Writchie: mickeyl fixed it - so an update matched the patch to the git Aug 22 15:57:08 hmmm - i tried that - will try it again Aug 22 15:58:03 openmoko: 03thomas * r2791 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/gtktoolbutton: * Remove toolbar button prelight Aug 22 16:00:02 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Vancouver]] [[User:Phlash]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_London]] [[Talk:Manually_using_Bluetooth]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Freiburg_im_Breisgau]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups]] [[Input_Method]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Adelaide]] and other changes Aug 22 16:03:20 do_rootfs is now breaking on "tmp/rootfs not found" (it "rm -rf" it before) Aug 22 16:03:23 http://pastebin.ca/666946 Aug 22 16:04:04 hi Aug 22 16:04:15 nulucas: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=740 Aug 22 16:04:26 where can i find the keys for [aux] and [power] within qemu? Aug 22 16:04:33 allmoust :P Aug 22 16:05:17 serenity: space and return Aug 22 16:05:20 thx Aug 22 16:05:24 yoyo, it's not the same bug as before (not the bin bug). it's afer the last update Aug 22 16:05:48 kristian-m: That patch worked on on 32 bit - 64 bit host craps out trying to read control.tar.gz Aug 22 16:06:04 kristian-m: i'll have to investigate that later Aug 22 16:06:38 nulucas: chk if there is a [/home/lucas/moko/build/tmp/rootfs] path Aug 22 16:08:25 yoyo, it's "rm -rf"'ed before, as I said (in the updated script) Aug 22 16:08:57 yoyo, anyway, i guess someone is working on it, so i'll just wait Aug 22 16:09:19 lol to think that running out of harddrive space requires me to upgrade my entire server :( Aug 22 16:09:53 nulucas: in file [moko2.orig/openembedded/classes/image.bbclass] there is a if part and in it there is a mkdir -p :) it shood create directory chk Aug 22 16:10:59 eggsy for me it worked on 64 bit Aug 22 16:12:01 kristian-m: maybe it's my python2.5 install? Have to check later. Aug 22 16:14:21 yoyo, if you go at line 71 of that file, you'll see the "rm -rf" before makedevs Aug 22 16:14:39 Is anyone else getting a problem during the do_unpack phase of linux? Aug 22 16:15:04 for 2007.2 Aug 22 16:15:29 Do we have any screenshots of the new UI? Aug 22 16:17:48 yoyo, I don't see any "mkdir" on that file, but I'll try update now Aug 22 16:18:21 nulucas, yoyo: Please update OE.dev and try again. I RP pushed a fix some seconds ago. Aug 22 16:18:35 everyone is bashing the color scheme. I like it. // If someone is interested in my opinion Aug 22 16:20:01 stefan_schmidt, thanks, doing it now Aug 22 16:20:40 stefan_schmidt, oops, multple heads ;-) Aug 22 16:21:10 nulucas: Just wait some minutes. That gets fixed automatically within 15 minutes Aug 22 16:21:54 stefan_schmidt, ok, tanks Aug 22 16:22:13 zipola: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=1 popped up in the mailing list recently. Aug 22 16:22:44 Thanks. Aug 22 16:23:01 nulucas: But it will fail on the dialer now. :) Aug 22 16:23:21 nulucas: At least the rootfs problem is fixed at least Aug 22 16:23:58 stefan_schmidt, hehe, I was kinda expecting something like that Aug 22 16:25:09 * k-s[WORK] is away: out for lunch Aug 22 16:28:20 openmoko: 03shoragan * r2792 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/sounds/ (8 files): Copy new ringtone from OM-2007 Aug 22 16:34:19 lets hope this guy will have a lot (fake) fits when OpenMoko and Neo1973* gets really successful: http://itconservative.blogspot.com/2007/08/google-phone-might-be-based-on-openmoko.html Aug 22 16:34:58 openmoko: 03njp * r2793 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c src/moko-history.c): Aug 22 16:34:58 openmoko: 2007-08-22 Neil J. Patel Aug 22 16:34:58 openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_call_progress_changed): Aug 22 16:34:58 openmoko: * src/moko-history.c: (history_add_entry): Aug 22 16:34:58 openmoko: Update for new Journal types. Aug 22 16:35:13 :) Aug 22 16:37:25 wired blogs, nothing new here: http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2007/07/hands-on-with-t.html Aug 22 16:38:22 pretty high on english blog search: http://paste.lisp.org/display/46549 (Paste number 46549: final patch for mickeyl) pasted by zecke Aug 22 16:49:54 openmoko: 03njp * r2794 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c): Aug 22 16:49:54 openmoko: 2007-08-22 Neil J. Patel Aug 22 16:49:54 openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_keypad_dial_clicked): Aug 22 16:49:54 openmoko: Check uid is valid before adding to the journal object. Aug 22 16:53:26 * nulucas weee's: "NOTE: build 200708221745: completed" :-)) Aug 22 16:54:32 :) contacts-history.c enum problem have alsow :) Aug 22 16:54:45 * hhf423 does the ipkg update && ipkg upgrade dance for the day Aug 22 17:00:04 (script) planet: Marcin "hrw" Juszkiewicz: OpenMoko 2007.2 http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/08/22/openmoko-20072/ Aug 22 17:03:43 re Aug 22 17:03:58 are there any other keys for openmoko within qemu? Aug 22 17:04:07 other than: return and space Aug 22 17:16:05 iirc you can run qemu with full usb keyboard emulation Aug 22 17:16:29 bye Aug 22 17:21:44 hmmm, still have to stop X, restart gsmd and strt X to get to the bloody PIN question Aug 22 17:23:41 yay.. managed a screenshot Aug 22 17:24:11 FuzzyCat: on real hw or emulator? Aug 22 17:24:17 real Aug 22 17:24:33 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=1 Aug 22 17:24:38 first image Aug 22 17:24:49 (id 221) Aug 22 17:26:32 although. that 1 missed call is a lie Aug 22 17:26:44 MOO Aug 22 17:27:44 nice Aug 22 17:27:50 what's the windowmanager in the first screenshot? Aug 22 17:28:31 wastrel: matchbox Aug 22 17:28:55 yes.. the words matchbox appear lots: ) Aug 22 17:31:01 hahaha, I saved the screenshot of a screenshot Aug 22 17:36:12 and the screenshot of a screenshot of a screenshot! Aug 22 17:37:45 oooh, but the sound switching seems to work Aug 22 17:38:25 ~lart 16bit banding artifacts :( Aug 22 17:38:25 * apt changes 16bit banding artifacts :('s permissions to 0777 and tells the world Aug 22 17:40:45 hi all Aug 22 17:40:54 hi mentax Aug 22 17:41:19 * hhf423 is very hungry and goes hunting for food Aug 22 17:41:20 please tell me what player using in openmoko? Aug 22 17:41:57 mentax: Audio? Aug 22 17:42:02 how i make play mp3 Aug 22 17:42:10 Cm yes Aug 22 17:42:24 mentax: madplay foo.mp3 Aug 22 17:42:48 fgay thanks Aug 22 17:43:11 * k-s[AWAY_WORK] is back. Aug 22 17:43:27 does madplay do oggs ? Aug 22 17:43:41 ogg123 takes about 80-90% of the cpu ;) Aug 22 17:43:47 ogg Aug 22 17:44:12 hozer: what lib does it use to decode? Aug 22 17:44:27 mplayer with ivorbis uses about 24% at 206MHz Aug 22 17:46:09 hrrm.. how do I change the frequency Aug 22 17:46:16 I had a high-bit rate ogg also Aug 22 17:46:24 256Kbps or so Aug 22 17:46:40 hozer: u-boot, there is no cpufreq patch in the kernel yet Aug 22 17:47:11 * hozer should get kernel hacking ;) Aug 22 17:47:31 but I'd like to have mokomakefile work at least once ;) Aug 22 17:47:36 heh Aug 22 17:47:57 it's been dieing on something that wants WebKitGDK Aug 22 17:49:25 hmm, if I do madplay /usr/share/openmoko/sounds/ringtone_thereisnophone.mp3 I hear nothing Aug 22 17:51:57 NOTE: build 200708221936: completed Aug 22 17:52:39 fgau: was that today? Aug 22 17:52:48 hahaha Aug 22 17:52:50 yep Aug 22 17:52:58 * hhf423 can hear internet radio Aug 22 17:53:00 errr, I mean who built that and from what sources Aug 22 17:53:18 mokomakefile Aug 22 17:54:01 NOTE: Task failed: /vicepb/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-linux/openmoko-rssreader-0.0.1+svnnow-r1_2386/temp/log.do_configure.19913 Aug 22 17:54:01 NOTE: Task failed: /vicepb/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-linux/openmoko-rssreader-0.0.1+svnnow-r1_2386/temp/log.do_configure.19913 Aug 22 17:54:01 my rssreader build is failing Aug 22 17:54:19 there was some pastage there I didn't see.. Aug 22 17:54:40 mentax: to play something, you need to first switch the spakers on: "alsactl -f /etc/alsa/stereoout.state restore" and then you can play something like "madplay /usr/share/openmoko/sounds/ringtone_thereisnophone.mp3" Aug 22 17:55:15 checking for WEBKITGTK... Package WebKitGdk was not found in the pkg-config search path. Aug 22 17:56:20 hahaha Aug 22 17:56:36 if I call the neo it doe not stop vibrating when I hang up Aug 22 17:56:56 hozer: try make update-makefile && make setup update openmoko-devel-image Aug 22 18:00:29 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_San_Francisco]] [[Bootloader]] [[MacOS_X]] [[Talk:Can_I_become_a_distributor%3F]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Detroit]] [[Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973/ru]] [[SettingsGUI]] [[Wish_List]] Aug 22 18:01:49 (script) openmoko-community: Harald Welte Re: Is GTA2 UMA/GAN capable Aug 22 18:02:46 aaaahh Aug 22 18:11:10 does anybody know if /dev/ttySAC1 has a baudrate ? Aug 22 18:11:26 barmeier: why? Aug 22 18:12:16 Iw ould like to experiment with the gsm modem. But if I want to open it from a C source I need to setup the baudrate !? Aug 22 18:12:33 OK... I've done update-makefile, clobber-patches, setup, openmoko-devel-image. I'm getting this http://pastebin.com/d3853a8cb error from uboot-openmoko Aug 22 18:12:40 Anyone know a workaround? Aug 22 18:13:39 barmeier: ah, no idea, but should that not be obvious from gsmd source? Aug 22 18:15:05 hhf423: of course you are right, I will look it up there thanks. Aug 22 18:17:30 barmeier: 115200 Aug 22 18:18:15 speaking of gsmd, i'm assuming it's not possible (chipset limitation) to connect to a network w/o a sim card right? Aug 22 18:18:44 it would be nice to be able to 'soft clone' my sim card i have no w/o having to pay the telco for another one given only one device would be powered up at any one time Aug 22 18:21:54 Hi LaF0rge Aug 22 18:22:48 cw666, you can clone a sim card using a small sim cloning thing iirc Aug 22 18:22:59 LaForge: thank you ! Aug 22 18:25:39 parag0n: yeah, but i need a second sim for that, which i guess i can find Aug 22 18:25:59 and then i need a 'cloning thing' which i doubt the carrier will do for me :-) Aug 22 18:26:45 scap.linuxtogo.org refreshed a bit Aug 22 18:27:13 cw666: you have to be able to connect to a network w/o a sim card Aug 22 18:27:21 otherwise you couldnt call the police Aug 22 18:27:37 borg_: right, i figured that was the case ... except then how does the hw decide which network to connect to? Aug 22 18:27:54 borg_: only in some countries. Aug 22 18:27:56 anyone had issues with powering up antenna on a card that worked in 2007.1? Aug 22 18:27:59 Not in the UK. Aug 22 18:28:00 in germany for sure Aug 22 18:28:21 radiorental: issues now in 2007.2? Aug 22 18:28:42 i can't seem to get the radio working w/o a sim card here, but it's been a bit fragile so it might have been bad luck Aug 22 18:28:50 hhf423, 50% of the time in 2007.1 not 100% in .2 Aug 22 18:29:02 now 100% in 2007.2 Aug 22 18:29:17 the taskbar blanks Aug 22 18:29:19 cw666: in germany, some providers give you a SIM card clone so that you can have one in your mobile and one in your car phone. only one can be active at one time, though Aug 22 18:29:49 radiorental: did you update to the latest level with ipkg? Aug 22 18:29:52 hhf423: yeah, that would be fine... i'll ask t-mobile but i suspect they'll tell me to get another card and pay them more money Aug 22 18:30:03 radiorental: ipkg update && ipkg upgrade Aug 22 18:30:27 no, I just took the snapshot this morning Aug 22 18:30:35 I havent been building Aug 22 18:30:35 cw666: ask them. otherwise do it like I did and get yourself a second prepaid sim for the neo to test Aug 22 18:31:05 radiorental: you can now run ipkg update && ipkg upgrade directly from the phone if you have usb networking configured Aug 22 18:31:13 tnx! Aug 22 18:31:45 radiorental: but even with the latest stuff from an hour ago, I had to stop X, restart gsmd and the start X to make it ask for the PIN. but since then it is working Aug 22 18:33:02 hhf423, seems u are a ipkg guru, when i use mokomakefile it did a package file in build/tmp/deploy/ipk some weeks ago but now it doesnt. i would like to update my neo with my local ipkgs - how can i generate a package file? Aug 22 18:33:06 radiorental: you ssh to the phone and do /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop, /etc/init.d/gsmd start and /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm start & and should be fine Aug 22 18:33:15 how is xephyr+openmoko for developing? does it behave well when developing applications or even system? or is it more recommended for people wanting to see how it looks like? Aug 22 18:33:31 hmmm, I'm not really that bothered about making calls, just wondering if it was a known issue. I'm more interested in designing a better way to navigate. I dont think the iphone 'flick' is ever going to work on a resistive screen Aug 22 18:33:33 is there a prebuild for 2007.2 or do i have to build it with mokomakefile Aug 22 18:33:53 mdt: I am no guru on ipkg, I just run it from the official server, no idea how to include local stuff Aug 22 18:33:57 thanks hhf423 Aug 22 18:34:10 hhf423, thnx anyway ;) Aug 22 18:34:23 mintee: I downloaded prebuilt 2007.2 from the site last night; can't remember URL Aug 22 18:34:27 mdt, radiorental: np Aug 22 18:34:59 Not sure who asked some time ago. Aug 22 18:35:09 openmoko-devel-image builds fine again. Aug 22 18:35:17 dmalcolm_, "the site" like from svn? Aug 22 18:35:32 radiorental: I hope it is a known issue :-) but form what I can see its getting better. the top menu bar crashed on me all the time, since today or yesterday only half the time Aug 22 18:35:52 only half the time (o; Aug 22 18:36:02 ah, nevermind... i don't mind building it now that I read "The MokoMakefile is able to build either OM-2007.1 or OM-2007.2 images. The core team chooses the default, but you can select one or the other at the top of the Makefile." Aug 22 18:36:07 stefan_schmidt:rischtisch Aug 22 18:36:11 the law of radioactive decay dictates we should be good to go by..... Aug 22 18:36:13 stefan_schmidt: I've been having tons of problems with it today. Aug 22 18:36:14 radiorental: well, its an improvement, you have to acknowledge that :-) Aug 22 18:36:25 oh no, its awesome Aug 22 18:36:42 for alpha2 its awesome Aug 22 18:37:18 I'd be happy if it would stop vibrating if the caller hangs up before you take the call on the neo, though :-) Aug 22 18:37:20 mintee: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/ IIRC Aug 22 18:37:25 openmoko: 03laforge * r2795 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/boot-from-ram-reloc.patch: Aug 22 18:37:25 openmoko: * fix start.S recent patch merge mistake that prevented the interrupt handlers Aug 22 18:37:25 openmoko: from being properly set (overwritten) while booting from jtag. Aug 22 18:37:42 jseghers: There was a lot breakage today indeed. Buildsystem and code wise Aug 22 18:38:07 hhf423: 'feature' Aug 22 18:38:08 jseghers: But it runs through for me since my last pull. Aug 22 18:38:19 dmalcolm_, sweet, thanks Aug 22 18:38:38 * dmalcolm_ was impressed at how much the UI had changed Aug 22 18:38:48 stefan: when did you do your last pull? Aug 22 18:38:54 that's what i've heard Aug 22 18:38:58 * mintee goes home to flash Aug 22 18:39:01 jseghers: Two minutes ago Aug 22 18:39:06 * hhf423 streams some more radio from his neo, just because he can Aug 22 18:39:27 hehe Aug 22 18:39:28 openmoko: 03laforge * r2796 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (28 files): Aug 22 18:39:28 openmoko: cosmetic: re-sync all patches with current upstream code, making sure no line Aug 22 18:39:28 openmoko: offset or fuzzy hunks remain. Aug 22 18:39:44 stefan: OK... I'll give it yet another try :) Aug 22 18:39:51 jseghers: :) Aug 22 18:40:08 it build ok for me some 2 hours ago Aug 22 18:40:46 can download an openmoko-mediaplayer2 ipk somewhere? Aug 22 18:40:54 s/can/can i/ Aug 22 18:40:54 borg_ meant: can i download an openmoko-mediaplayer2 ipk somewhere? Aug 22 18:41:21 or can someone tell me how i can compile it? Aug 22 18:42:00 or is the thing in trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2 not compileable at the momment? Aug 22 18:51:19 stefan: I just ran update-makefile, clobber-patches, setup, manually deleted all uboot-* stamps and I get: http://pastebin.com/d61393085 Aug 22 18:51:46 clean it Aug 22 18:52:14 bitbake -c clean uboot-openmoko Aug 22 18:52:41 jseghers: Does update-makefile also updates the OE metadata? Aug 22 18:52:55 jseghers: That stuff need to be updated as well. Aug 22 18:53:12 use make update Aug 22 18:53:22 jseghers: u-boot should now be pinned down to a working version until we have a working tree again Aug 22 18:53:25 OK I'll try that. Aug 22 18:53:59 ScaredyCat: Thanks for translating it into MokoMakefil'isch Aug 22 18:54:41 :) Aug 22 18:55:16 yep, looks like monotone is pulling stuff in... that's the step I've been missing. Thanks. Aug 22 18:56:50 jseghers: Lets hope ;) Aug 22 18:58:28 hmmm, no new images on http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/?C=M;O=D Aug 22 18:58:28 you ca do a make clean-package- Aug 22 18:58:32 thats unusual Aug 22 18:58:35 can also Aug 22 18:59:33 stefan_schmidt - BTW: You volunteered to look at simple patches from me a while back, right? ;) Aug 22 18:59:37 ScaredyCat: I'd been doing make clean-package-uboot-openmoko many, many times yesterday and today... but it doesn't pull the stuff that update does. Aug 22 18:59:48 no.. Aug 22 19:00:00 it just cleans Aug 22 19:00:48 ScaredyCat, Stefan: it's past the errors I was getting...in do_compile... I think I should be OK now :) Thanks Aug 22 19:01:00 iirc i had similar issues this morning, a clean +update fixed it Aug 22 19:03:13 jseghers: Good to hear Aug 22 19:03:21 Elrond: I did? Really? ;) Aug 22 19:03:33 stefan_schmidt - Shall I dig up logs? ;o) Aug 22 19:03:38 Elrond: heh Aug 22 19:03:46 Elrond: Give me a pointer Aug 22 19:04:00 . o O (Or fake up logs if needed? ;o) ) Aug 22 19:04:10 stefan_schmidt - http://en.pastebin.ca/667137 Aug 22 19:04:41 bwahahaha http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/roflmfao.jpg Aug 22 19:05:00 Elrond: Trailing whitespace? Aug 22 19:05:59 stefan_schmidt - Yep. Aug 22 19:06:14 While looking at the u-boot patches it came up. ;) Aug 22 19:06:21 Elrond: For u-boot patches I would like to stay away right now. Harald is working on it in the nights and it would be not fair if he need to refresh the whole set of patches for a whitspace Aug 22 19:06:41 Elrond: Let this one sit for later Aug 22 19:07:04 Elrond: About the other one in bugzilla I poked Harald and werner. Aug 22 19:07:16 Elrond: Will poke them again in some days Aug 22 19:07:30 stefan_schmidt - Yeah, saw laforge reassigning it to werner. Aug 22 19:07:33 how can I get a keyboard in the new ui? Aug 22 19:07:52 start the input manager Aug 22 19:08:09 Elrond: Yeah, he like to let werner review it. I'll continue poking about it Aug 22 19:08:11 :) Aug 22 19:08:41 dcordes: It should popup once you need it. :) (Besides the terminal) Aug 22 19:08:57 dcordes: do you have a gsm modem? Aug 22 19:09:19 dcordes: It works with a gtk-inputmethod now. Aug 22 19:09:22 hi pH5 Aug 22 19:09:41 pH5: From what I can see from DHL the HTC should arrive tomorrow Aug 22 19:09:53 hej stefan_schmidt Aug 22 19:10:00 yeah, I'm still sitting in front of the dhl's packet tracking page ;) Aug 22 19:10:11 memphis Aug 22 19:10:22 pH5: heh, you should stop reading xkcd ;) Aug 22 19:10:42 definitely Aug 22 19:11:19 pH5: wrt QVGA theme. I'm looking forward to it. We can now do phone calls with audio on some EZX devices. Time for OpenMoko starts. :) Aug 22 19:11:42 * pH5 is looking forward to adding another modem to gsmd Aug 22 19:12:12 voice calls on ezx? nice, soon om will be all over the place. Aug 22 19:12:15 pH5: There will be hopefully some discussion about an EZX vendor plugin on gsmd-devel soon Aug 22 19:12:32 pH5: Yeah, ezx-asoc :) Aug 22 19:12:37 everytime i think i turn the neo off, (hold down the button for > 9ish seconds) if I come back like 12 hours later the entire battery is dead. Am i turning it off wrong? Aug 22 19:13:15 pH5: ezx vendor plugin can be hard. We get, bt address, battery status, gps data, etc. from the BP Aug 22 19:14:06 stefan_schmidt: we should think about merging vendor/machine plugins again like harald proposed, and have hooks all over the place where they can plug in. Aug 22 19:14:16 minthome: you have to remove the battery for about 10 seconds after turning it off to make sure everything is shut down Aug 22 19:14:48 pH5: Yeah, some callbacks for device specific stuff would be good. Aug 22 19:14:49 oh, damn... that's a problem. heh Aug 22 19:14:55 thanks Vegar Aug 22 19:15:23 pH5: That's why I like FOSS. The design grows with the problem and the different scenarios. Aug 22 19:15:30 stefan_schmidt: will gps data go through gsmd? I thought the demultiplexing is done in the kernel? Aug 22 19:15:51 gps through gsmd ?! Aug 22 19:16:03 ScaredyCat: On a Motorola A780 Aug 22 19:16:12 ah ok.. Aug 22 19:16:43 pH5: Kernel, yes. But the whole way of the pakets is still somewaht undefined. We will get this right while discussion about it. Aug 22 19:16:48 on my phone I have to do voice call volume and bluetooth audio routing through the gsm uart Aug 22 19:17:05 * ScaredyCat teases the Germans Aug 22 19:17:23 England 1 : Germany 0 Aug 22 19:17:34 ScaredyCat: On this phone the GPS is connected to the GSM modem directly and the whole communication is done via TS07.10 over serial over usb :) Aug 22 19:17:50 lol Aug 22 19:17:55 but it works? Aug 22 19:18:18 ScaredyCat: With motorolas 2.4.20 yes. Aug 22 19:18:34 ScaredyCat: But our 2.6 port is getting into better shape now. Aug 22 19:18:47 nice.... Aug 22 19:18:55 pH5: Not sure about bt audio. The audio part on the ezx side is a hell :) Aug 22 19:19:14 ScaredyCat: So we just need OpenMoko on the top. :) Aug 22 19:19:32 is it me or is the screen on that tiny tiny Aug 22 19:19:53 ScaredyCat: Size is ok. QVGA Aug 22 19:20:07 a.. ok, I se.. it opens up Aug 22 19:20:36 smart use of the screen when closed.. Aug 22 19:20:41 use the top bit Aug 22 19:21:24 ScaredyCat: Ah, yeah. On the front the is just some look-through plastic for the screen behind Aug 22 19:25:05 yeah, cheaper than a 2nd screen, in price and power requirements :) Aug 22 19:26:40 ScaredyCat: And looks scary. :) Aug 22 19:26:58 hehehe Aug 22 19:27:03 stefan_schmidt: sorry for the delay: matchbox-keyboard-im is broken in angstrom-repo. Think that's the reason I don't get the input method? Aug 22 19:27:32 pH5: No unofortunately I don't have a gsm modem for my zaurus but I was thinking about getting one Aug 22 19:28:25 dcordes: You need matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod. That one is from poky with all the needed magic. Not that easy to merge with the matchbox-keyboard bb but at some point we need to do it. Aug 22 19:29:16 stefan_schmidt: alright let me try Aug 22 19:32:43 jseghers: has it build ok yet ? Aug 22 19:33:27 somebody knows a good compact flash card with a recent GSM modem chipset? Aug 22 19:33:34 England 1 : Germany 1 Aug 22 19:33:49 go germany! Aug 22 19:33:54 * dcordes ducks Aug 22 19:34:20 that wont help you.. >:) Aug 22 19:34:43 any manage to get their hands on a 4gb sdhc? Aug 22 19:35:18 BryceLeo: Yes, look at the updated bug entry. :) Aug 22 19:35:36 ahh ok, I was searching the wiki Aug 22 19:36:01 BryceLeo: I have one here. Gets detected and I can mount it. Aug 22 19:36:37 BryceLeo: Still some problems with transfer large files, but that seems not SDHC related. Aug 22 19:36:58 that's awesome, what good news Aug 22 19:37:16 BryceLeo: More a general bug with s3cmci atm. There is another bugreport about that. Aug 22 19:37:28 awesome thanks Aug 22 19:37:42 BryceLeo: Yeah, it's sweet when df -h tells you 3.8GB free :) Aug 22 19:37:46 hmm, sdhc confirmed working? cool Aug 22 19:37:53 and i haven't wiki'd or bugged but openmoko-devel-image isn't building right? Aug 22 19:38:50 mjr: Still some tests needed, but it looks got. Aug 22 19:39:15 *nod* Aug 22 19:39:39 mjr: As John Gilmore pointed out is the most different stuff done before the card get detected and being able to mount. And that is working. Aug 22 19:40:31 hi Aug 22 19:40:40 hi torpor Aug 22 19:41:07 hi stefan_schmidt Aug 22 19:41:26 stefan_schmidt: Just noticed today that Toshiba announced 8GB MicroSD cards to ship in october. (and 16 and 32GB SDHC cards) Aug 22 19:41:47 they'll be a while in shipping Aug 22 19:41:48 as usual Aug 22 19:42:42 gnu_: Yeah, samsung announced 8GB microSDHC some months ago already. Still waiting. I hope we can get one at the end of the year. Aug 22 19:43:42 well good old samsung had that factory shutdown Aug 22 19:44:01 stefan_schmidt: call samsung germany? or ask hama if they have cards? Aug 22 19:44:43 zecke: I wrote sandisk. Never got a reply. The 4GB I have now is from an online store Aug 22 19:45:01 zecke: How is your flat btw? Still crowded? Aug 22 19:45:37 stefan_schmidt: yes, I share it with a lot of air Aug 22 19:46:06 zecke: :) Aug 22 19:46:06 I need to get a couple of chair's soon :) Aug 22 19:46:17 zecke: And a pinball machine Aug 22 19:46:24 hehe Aug 22 19:46:34 actually I try to talk my boss into buying one Aug 22 19:46:38 hum... ERROR: '/home/mintee/moko/openembedded/packages/qemu/qemu-native_20070613.bb' failed Aug 22 19:47:05 i'm not even trying to build a qemu build Aug 22 19:47:11 zecke: Oh, be careful. You know his background. He will think the next would be a sofa... Aug 22 19:47:23 England 1 : Germany 2 Aug 22 19:47:33 lol Aug 22 19:47:35 i have no tv here Aug 22 19:47:41 stefan_schmidt: I think convergence didn't have a pinball machine Aug 22 19:47:41 but i knew it Aug 22 19:47:42 ha, we're giving it to the limey's Aug 22 19:47:47 was a good goal Aug 22 19:47:49 limies? Aug 22 19:47:54 my neighbours screamed Aug 22 19:47:56 :D Aug 22 19:48:07 nearly 2:2 then Aug 22 19:48:18 zecke: Are you sure? ;) Aug 22 19:48:22 limeys Aug 22 19:48:23 thats what you believe! Aug 22 19:48:47 Germans don;t get to cal us limeys Aug 22 19:49:07 they invented the term, so why not? Aug 22 19:49:08 the septics can Aug 22 19:49:09 why is that? Aug 22 19:49:22 alright then, Gerry's giving Tommy a good 'ol thrashing.. whato? Aug 22 19:49:34 that's better ;) Aug 22 19:49:48 stefan_schmidt: I have not seen any pictures indicating otherwise Aug 22 19:50:08 zecke: heh Aug 22 19:50:51 wikipedia: Limey is an old American and Canadian slang nickname for the British, originally referring to British sailors. Aug 22 19:50:59 hello all Aug 22 19:51:30 BTW: rm_work works fine again with bitbake 1.8.8 and the newest metadata. Only 1.8GB after a full build Aug 22 19:51:48 hurrah!! Aug 22 19:52:04 * ScaredyCat frees up more gigage Aug 22 19:52:42 how did he miss that! Aug 22 19:52:51 ScaredyCat: Best way is: find / -name *.avi | xargs rm -rf ;) Aug 22 19:52:53 * * OM Bug 744 has been created by  Aug 22 19:52:54 * * qemu-native-0.9.0+cvs20070613-r4-do_populate_staging Aug 22 19:52:55 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=744 Aug 22 19:52:57 has anyone had their battery indicator read full? Aug 22 19:53:02 ys Aug 22 19:53:10 radiorental /me too Aug 22 19:53:10 Yes, radiorental Aug 22 19:53:13 lol stefan_schmidt Aug 22 19:53:29 mine never gets past 90% (ish) Aug 22 19:53:36 tnx Aug 22 19:54:16 related: what 'standby' time are people getting. Mine bonks out after about 6 hours Aug 22 19:54:30 mine lasts overnight Aug 22 19:54:34 k Aug 22 19:54:53 mine zonks after 4 to 5 hours Aug 22 19:55:12 are you useing the 'full pm' ? Aug 22 19:55:20 ok, thought I might has a suspect battery, guess not Aug 22 19:55:39 havent tried that on .2 Aug 22 19:55:42 willdo Aug 22 19:56:18 ehehe.. now that I know what it means... Aug 22 19:56:50 Mine Aug 22 19:56:54 Mine's about 7 hours. Aug 22 19:57:00 with .2 Aug 22 19:57:46 # Aug 22 19:59:27 is there anyone who is using 2007.2? I'm interested to know if the file /etc/ipkg/base-feed.conf exists Aug 22 19:59:52 Is there a way to get the serial console one a neo1973 via USB? I want more control over watching the thing booting and what it's doing Aug 22 19:59:53 fray: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Aug 22 20:00:29 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[SettingsGUI]] [[OpenMoko2007.2]] [[Hammerhead/Protocol]] [[Talk:Can_I_become_a_distributor%3F]] [[User:Andyfrommk]] Aug 22 20:00:48 Ghiottone: it does not exist Aug 22 20:01:12 gnu_, great thank you. I thought that I had overwritten it. Aug 22 20:02:55 stefan_schmidt: on attempt to install matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod ipkg is saying matchbox-keyboard installed is up to date. nothing to be done Aug 22 20:04:14 dcordes: Both packages provides matchbox-keyboard. You have to remove the old one, perhaps with -force-depends Aug 22 20:04:53 ok.. I rechecked the FAQ.. only thing I can access via the serial port is uboot.. but once I hit boot it displays on the screen instead of hte serial console (in fact the serial console disappears).. any suggestions? Aug 22 20:06:22 Ghiottone: you mean if there is /etc/ipkg/base-feed.conf on a .2 image/installation? Aug 22 20:08:57 Ghiottone: http://pastebin.ca/667212 Aug 22 20:09:32 ok what to do about this qemu problem? Aug 22 20:09:33 yes Aug 22 20:10:18 hhf423, thank you :) Aug 22 20:11:12 now it seems that after I have restarted the xserver neo's lcd is staying off. I'm trying to force its brightness but with no effect. any suggestion? Aug 22 20:12:16 oh. a restart fixed it. Aug 22 20:12:59 Ghiottone: should there be a base feed? Aug 22 20:13:13 Hi folks. Aug 22 20:13:36 torpor: You are using the makefile? Aug 22 20:13:41 yup Aug 22 20:13:43 hhf423 and Ghiottone: I just updated the wiki with instructions on how to get ipkg to pull from your local build machine. Aug 22 20:13:56 torpor: make update should update the OE metadata for you. Aug 22 20:13:58 See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#Updating_your_image Aug 22 20:14:14 torpor: Should run through now. Aug 22 20:14:29 ok its building qemu-native now, but i had done an update about 2 minutes ago .. Aug 22 20:14:57 nice one quicksand Aug 22 20:14:59 hhf423, I don't know. there was one in 2007.1. I created a custom version to pull from my local machine. When I first installed 2007.2 I copied it into /etc/ipkg/ without first looking at what was there Aug 22 20:15:10 torpor: the rootfs building bug was fixed some hours ago Aug 22 20:15:22 with this setup it should be very nice to write apps for openmoko .. Aug 22 20:15:37 stefan_schmidt: okay i've done an update and i'm trying to bring my build up to date. .. Aug 22 20:15:39 hhf423, so I though that I have overwritten it. when I then learned that I could not mount as loopback the jffs2 image I came here to ask Aug 22 20:15:50 .ckear Aug 22 20:15:52 Ghiottone: 2007.2 comes with six .conf files in /etc/ipkg -- three to pull from the snapshot repository (fic-gta01, armv4t, and all) and three to pull from recent autobuilds. Aug 22 20:18:15 quicksand, what I put in my base-feed.conf is almost the same as your local-feed.conf Aug 22 20:18:31 Their names are: snapshot-*-feed.conf and updates-*-feed.comf Aug 22 20:18:36 s/comf/conf/ Aug 22 20:18:36 quicksand meant: Their names are: snapshot-*-feed.conf and updates-*-feed.conf Aug 22 20:18:54 Yeah, it shouldn't really matter what you call it. Aug 22 20:18:57 wow! that's a feature! Aug 22 20:19:31 very nice writeup quicksand Aug 22 20:19:35 when i want play music using madplay i have error: /dev/dsp: Device or resource is busy Aug 22 20:19:44 Thanks. Hope it helps a few folks. Aug 22 20:19:52 quicksand, I think adding that make build-package-package-index forces the update of the Packages.gz files might be useful to that wiki page Aug 22 20:19:57 definitely Aug 22 20:20:08 Aha, that's the target! Aug 22 20:20:24 what i may do? Aug 22 20:20:43 I knew building the image would do it as a side effect -- but I didn't know how to do it directly. Thx Ghiottone. You want to edit that in? Aug 22 20:21:49 torpor hi Aug 22 20:21:59 hi mentax Aug 22 20:22:09 no I think it's better if you do it, thanks. it is also a tip not from myself but I'm just repeating what I was told :) Aug 22 20:22:14 nope, qemu-native is busted Aug 22 20:22:23 torpor you may help me? Aug 22 20:22:35 torpor when i want play music using madplay i have error: /dev/dsp: Device or resource is busy Aug 22 20:22:36 mentax: dependson your problem, but i have my own things to work out too .. Aug 22 20:22:57 you probably have to kill the default openembedded sound server .. Aug 22 20:23:01 OK, no problem. It will have to wait until tonight (California time) because I don't have access to my machine right now -- and I don't want to screw it up. :) Aug 22 20:23:25 mokomakefile chokes on patching uboot :( Aug 22 20:23:28 2007.2 Aug 22 20:23:42 mentax, try with lsof |grep dsp Aug 22 20:23:58 bmidgley: I have been seeing that too. Broken check-in, I would guess. Aug 22 20:24:12 I haven't looked into it further. Aug 22 20:26:44 bmidgley: clean the package, update oe and rerty Aug 22 20:27:16 retry Aug 22 20:27:17 ScaredyCat: how do I clean uboot and update oe? Aug 22 20:27:35 make clean-package-uboot-openmoko Aug 22 20:27:44 (if you use the mokomakefile Aug 22 20:27:45 ) Aug 22 20:27:54 then make update Aug 22 20:28:06 then make openmoko-devel-image Aug 22 20:30:42 * ScaredyCat bangs head against wall ... how can they miss open goals like that? Aug 22 20:31:49 ScaredyCat: what are you talking about? Some kind of game where you hit balls with your foot? Like a foot-ball game thing? Sounds kinda like soccer. ;) Aug 22 20:32:23 is it going to be possible to build for my sharp zaurus sl5500 target with the openmoko tree as well as for neo1973? Aug 22 20:32:27 coz that'd be very damn nice. Aug 22 20:32:51 torpor: there is no openmoko tree anymore Aug 22 20:33:08 aye, we call it "kick the pigs bladder" quicksand ;) Aug 22 20:33:15 torpor: you mean: is it going to be possible to build for my sharp zaurus sl5500 target with the openmoko build dir as well as for neo1973?? Aug 22 20:33:22 yup Aug 22 20:33:24 thats what i mean Aug 22 20:33:26 torpor: it will in that case Aug 22 20:33:28 ok Aug 22 20:33:31 that is nice! Aug 22 20:33:42 but sl5500 will get 2.6 kernel which is experimental and not ready for users Aug 22 20:33:50 also nice! ;) Aug 22 20:33:53 torpor: But you'll be waiting a long time for that phone to ring . . . maybe even a little longer than Neo owners. Aug 22 20:33:57 heh heh. Aug 22 20:34:05 i just want a nice gui on my sl5500 finally .. Aug 22 20:34:26 its serving as a dictionary/wikipedia machine right now, so it'll be nice to give it a nicer update to the GUI if thats going to be possible.. Aug 22 20:34:45 just can't bring myself to sell the damn thing .. had it since the beginning, and its just too sentimental .. Aug 22 20:36:08 Evening. Does anyone know if gsmd is able to tell me what country I am in (an dpreferably which region)? Aug 22 20:36:22 Or alternatively is there something else out there that could tell me the same? Aug 22 20:36:31 the network id of some sort Aug 22 20:36:32 the gps ? Aug 22 20:36:38 Guy on the streetcorner? Aug 22 20:36:39 and from that the operator's name Aug 22 20:36:52 the gps will give you a pretty accurate location ;) Aug 22 20:37:01 guaqua: that's what I was thinking but not sure if it exists Aug 22 20:37:17 ScaredyCat: yeah yeah. But how do I translate that in to a country/region? Aug 22 20:37:27 ScaredyCat: the gps doesn't tell you if the carrier you are using is the cheapest for your roaming plan Aug 22 20:37:40 no, nothing does guaqua Aug 22 20:37:45 :D Aug 22 20:37:53 jgm: with a db... Aug 22 20:37:55 roaming charges are a gamble, anyway Aug 22 20:38:08 Aug 22 20:38:13 I originally wrote a map switcher for the TomTomGo.. Aug 22 20:38:29 as you approached the border it switched the map Aug 22 20:38:43 to the detailed one of the country you were approaching.. Aug 22 20:38:47 Okay I'll rephrase. Given information from either GPS or from gsmd, is there anything pre-written that can translate that in to country and/or region information? Aug 22 20:38:58 possibly Aug 22 20:39:11 jgm: geoclue does that sort of stuff Aug 22 20:39:46 yes... geoclue might be a good move Aug 22 20:39:54 Okay thanks I'll take a look at geoclue Aug 22 20:40:10 or a search on google for a list of mobile operator id;s Aug 22 20:40:33 i have all sorts of ideas for geoclue, but getting a device first is really needed to actually test it out Aug 22 20:41:02 jgm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Network_Code Aug 22 20:41:43 that looks like what you want Aug 22 20:42:26 mcc + mnc == unique id Aug 22 20:43:18 mcc tells the country, i guess Aug 22 20:43:27 Yeah looks possible Aug 22 20:43:34 yes. Aug 22 20:44:05 and you an get at that with AT+COPS=? Aug 22 20:44:18 that's one extra backend for geoclue :) Aug 22 20:44:18 I have a (big) list of country and region codes and want to use it as part of the low cost calling extension. So you can say "if I am in location X and want to dial country/region Y what is the best calling method to use?" Aug 22 20:44:56 sounds good Aug 22 20:47:36 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_country_code lists just the mcc Aug 22 20:51:39 I make install MC in neo? Aug 22 20:51:51 hey guaqua, I was actually just now looking at the openmoko package lists to check if geoclue could run without modifications... Aug 22 20:52:44 looks ok to me Aug 22 20:53:39 stefan_schmidt: i removed matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod and depends and reinstalled it but still don't get the im in text insert situations Aug 22 20:54:51 jku: haven't put it to work myself, but there are people who have worked on it Aug 22 20:55:14 know who? Aug 22 20:55:24 can't recall names anymore Aug 22 20:56:03 there used to be a channel too, #geoclue @ freenode Aug 22 20:57:10 there's a #geoclue on gimpnet at least... Aug 22 20:57:20 nope, still got the do_rootfs problem: Aug 22 20:57:21 | makedevs: /home/j/hak/openmoko/build/tmp/rootfs/dev/initctl: file can not be created! Aug 22 20:57:43 openmoko is pretty interesting as a geoclue platform, even more so than maemo Aug 22 20:58:02 on the other hand resources are even more scarce... Aug 22 20:59:17 torpor: look at your openembedded/classes/image.bbclass Aug 22 20:59:24 Writchie: doing that now. Aug 22 20:59:55 doesn't look like anything changed Writchie Aug 22 21:00:11 except the hardcoded mkdir /dev is taken out now .. so even /dev doesn't get created Aug 22 21:00:16 and makedevs is not making the full path. Aug 22 21:00:23 beautiful Aug 22 21:00:42 really, i'd like to just make makedevs.c make the full path .. its only sensible. Aug 22 21:00:57 but alas .. i can't seem to work out if this is going to break the design of the root builderscripts .. Aug 22 21:01:14 as sensible as device not in dev Aug 22 21:01:55 if makedevs is going to get a list of files from some.txt file, then it should be clever about handling the paths .. like "mkdir -p some/file/path" would do .. Aug 22 21:02:11 i suppose i will make a patch and fix it and see if i can submit my first patch to openembedded in years .. ;) Aug 22 21:02:35 the big question is why does it work for some people Aug 22 21:02:53 are they picking up some other makedevs in their system?? Aug 22 21:02:55 because they are not using device.txt files that include paths that havne't been created yet? Aug 22 21:03:25 but the reciple blows away everything first Aug 22 21:04:00 yup Aug 22 21:04:20 so this couldn't have worked Aug 22 21:04:24 ever Aug 22 21:04:33 yes thats right Aug 22 21:04:58 but i see now that add_new_directory has been added .. so the .txt files need to have "d /dev" and "d /bin" cmds added to them. Aug 22 21:05:18 that would be sensible Aug 22 21:05:37 but wasting days on something that supposed to work is not my idea of fun Aug 22 21:05:44 i don't mind debugging Aug 22 21:06:18 well i've just added these entries to device-table_minimal.txt .. lets see if that unsticks the build .. Aug 22 21:07:09 i don't even want to think about why i magically must have libXext working on my platoform to build Aug 22 21:12:24 * fray realizes there is no serial port on this thing once it leaves u-boot... how annoying.. has anyone implemented USB serial for console? Aug 22 21:12:50 fray: what's the point? you could ssh in? Aug 22 21:13:37 I'm working on kernel stuff.. I don't want to use the openmoko userspace (yet) Aug 22 21:15:55 fray: That's when the debug board comes in handy Aug 22 21:16:11 I have the debug board.. but frankly other then the reset button I havn't figured it out yet Aug 22 21:16:22 (I've had the device a whole day so far..) Aug 22 21:16:57 Is it possible to do serial over USB w/ the debug board? (I hope I'm not going to need the JTAG interface) ;) Aug 22 21:17:21 fray: Ah. The debug board connects to Neo JTAG and serial port Aug 22 21:17:49 fray: No need for JTAG if you only want serial console Aug 22 21:17:50 when I plugged the USB into my PC (from the debug board) I didn't see any serial ports show up.. so maybe I'm missing something Aug 22 21:18:11 I ordered the debug board so I could unbrick this thing.. and hoped serial was there as well.. ;) Aug 22 21:18:35 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debug_Board Aug 22 21:19:09 yes.. read this a bunch of times.. Aug 22 21:19:11 fray: Try modprobe ftdi_sio vendor=0x1457 product=0x5118 Aug 22 21:19:26 I already checked that the ID is correct on my board.. Aug 22 21:19:38 ahh see I didn't try that.. let me pull the device out of the box... Aug 22 21:19:59 :-) Aug 22 21:20:15 people we have file manager on openmoko? Aug 22 21:20:25 in openembedded, yes. Aug 22 21:20:28 in openmoko, no Aug 22 21:20:31 but that will probably change. Aug 22 21:20:53 mentax: graphic file manager? no, not at the moment Aug 22 21:21:30 I wont install midnith commander Aug 22 21:21:42 it's work? Aug 22 21:21:42 bye Aug 22 21:22:00 ahh perfect... now I have ttyUSB0 and USB1.. Aug 22 21:22:17 bye zecke Aug 22 21:22:52 mentax: if you find a version compiled for neo, it will work. but not one complied for i386 :-) Aug 22 21:24:01 hhf423 if i download mc for i386 and compile on neo hi may work? Aug 22 21:24:26 mentax: you need to get the source and compile, yes, that should work I think Aug 22 21:24:58 hhf423 i wont trau it Aug 22 21:26:43 mentax: There is an OE package called gpe-filemanager that works pretty well. I have it on my Neo right now. Aug 22 21:27:30 quicksand: how did you install that? Aug 22 21:27:55 alphaone I'm still not getting a console on either ttyUSB0 or ttyUSB1. Should I by default or do I need a custom boot args? Aug 22 21:28:39 See the section I added to the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#Updating_your_image Aug 22 21:29:18 In short, build it, update your ipkg settings on the Neo to pull packages from your local machine, then ipkg update && ipkg install gpe-filemanager. Aug 22 21:30:05 somehow eds-dbus_svn.bb is missing when i build the image Aug 22 21:30:16 s/build it/build it ("bitbake gpe-filemanager")/ Aug 22 21:30:17 quicksand meant: In short, build it ("bitbake gpe-filemanager"), update your ipkg settings on the Neo to pull packages from your local machine, then ipkg update && ipkg install gpe-filemanager. Aug 22 21:30:54 Er, that's not a very good summary. Just read the wiki page. :) Aug 22 21:31:10 quicksand: I have no build environment, so there is no way to just grab the binary from somewhere? Aug 22 21:32:19 hhf423: Oh, hmm, not sure about that. The wiki instructions presume you have a functioning build environment and have already built an image successfully. Aug 22 21:32:44 ahh success.. Aug 22 21:32:48 thanx for the help! Aug 22 21:32:56 quicksand: not me, my pc is wayy too slow for that Aug 22 21:34:14 whoo, sony has a new cybershot Aug 22 21:34:46 fray: You should. Please check the u-boot environment for your boot params Aug 22 21:35:51 hhf423: (and others): there are quite a few GPE applications that will work in OpenMoko: http://gpe.handhelds.org/projects/ Aug 22 21:36:14 alphaone it's working now.. I didn't have the ribbon cable plugged in properly.. (d'oh) Aug 22 21:36:32 I'm running gpe-edit, gpe-filemanager, gpe-sketchbook, and starling right now. But they do need to be built currently. Aug 22 21:36:48 I imagine they will be in an OpenMoko repository fairly soon tho. Aug 22 21:37:17 quicksand: lets hope that, would be great Aug 22 21:38:42 fray: Ah, yeah. Aug 22 21:38:44 I imagine that repositories for new apps will start to appear soon as well Aug 22 21:38:51 That's always a problem ;-( Aug 22 21:41:21 wouldn't it be nice if the environment was stable and didn't crash like crazy before new apps started getting writtten? :) Aug 22 21:41:52 ferric: where would be the fun in that? Aug 22 21:42:24 Plus, it's not like I wrote them. They have been around a while! Aug 22 21:42:53 ferric: different people will do different things :) Aug 22 21:42:59 two questions about the existing config.. are the binaries OABI or EABI.. and are things prelinked? Aug 22 21:43:07 * ajmitch will probably do some quick apps with pygtk Aug 22 21:43:55 from looking at the filesystem I have, it doesn't appear to contain prelink info.. but I can't remember how to tell if it's eabi or not.. ;) Aug 22 21:44:10 quicksand: you running gpe-filemanager using console? Aug 22 21:44:19 The old OM2007 software was OABI, and 2007.2 is EABI. (Is that right, or do I have it backwards?) Aug 22 21:44:37 EABI is "newer" so.. I'd assume 2007.2 would be EABI then.. Aug 22 21:44:39 thankx Aug 22 21:44:52 (I have a 2007..2 snapshot loaded) Aug 22 21:45:58 mentax: If you build and install gpe-filemanager according to the instructions in the wiki that I linked, then it will show up in the main menu of programs. Aug 22 21:49:58 quicksand: in wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko2007.2? Aug 22 21:51:43 Yes, the last section on updating your image. It assumes that you have already been able to complete building a whole rootfs image. If you have not, then I do not think it will work. Aug 22 21:54:12 quicksand: now i updating packages :-) Aug 22 21:54:32 "our quantities up to and including August 2007 are already oversold" -> just being curious, how many phones were sold then? Aug 22 21:56:55 maxauthority: I'm not sure you'll find anyone here who is privy to that info. A lot of us are curious! Aug 22 21:57:48 anyway, nice to see, that it generates good acceptance Aug 22 22:00:29 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_Hardware]] [[Wishlist_-_Hardware_-_Novel_Devices]] [[Wishlist:BuiltInScriptingLanguage]] [[User:Mikesh]] Aug 22 22:01:00 hrrm.. so how do I update my rootfs now that I have started customizing things (like root pw, etc) Aug 22 22:01:13 hhf423: in abot 10 mins you should be able to pick up tht gpe-filemanager from my site... Aug 22 22:01:39 and is there some ipkg reposity of bleeding edge stuff? Aug 22 22:02:08 * hozer also needs a sim card Aug 22 22:02:56 * ajmitch also needs a faster build box Aug 22 22:03:02 hehe Aug 22 22:03:43 * hozer needs to figure out how to get openafs to build in a kernel module so he can start playing ogg files from his AFS server instead of scping them to the phone Aug 22 22:07:22 you're insane! Aug 22 22:07:28 (says an afs admin) Aug 22 22:08:25 that would be fun to see Aug 22 22:09:11 heheh Aug 22 22:09:18 ckuethe: what cell? Aug 22 22:09:24 ualberta.ca Aug 22 22:13:47 has anyone been so insane as to build vlc or mplay and try to play videos yet? Aug 22 22:15:16 video is not so good Aug 22 22:15:43 maybe when acceleration lands Aug 22 22:15:50 bearing in mind it's a 640x480 Aug 22 22:15:59 yes acc will help :) Aug 22 22:17:05 hozer: regarding updating -- see the wiki @ http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#Updating_your_image Aug 22 22:17:43 I just added that section earlier today. It will (should?) update without trampling your settings. Aug 22 22:18:08 whats this .. no kernel in my openmoko image dir, even though i finished 'make all' .. where does the kernel file go? Aug 22 22:18:44 torpor: No uImage or zImage? Aug 22 22:18:51 nope Aug 22 22:19:10 On my builds they're in the same directory as the rootfs image. Weird. Aug 22 22:19:42 anybody know how to change uboot from runtime mode to DFU mode without blindly loading something? Aug 22 22:21:11 should happen when you boot into the uboot menu, then unplug usb and plug it back in again .. Aug 22 22:21:32 the usb re-enumeration in uboot mode is what switches to DFU .. Aug 22 22:22:33 Writchie: no idea. But a quick Google search ("dfu protocol") led me to this: http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-3661744_ITM Aug 22 22:22:43 torpor: it stays in runtime mode even when i do this. on both of my devices Aug 22 22:22:45 nope, no kernel is built on 'make all' .. damn it .. this devkit is so vry frustratiDng. .. Aug 22 22:23:13 Which has nothing to do with firmware upgrade protocols, but the Google ads seem to think so nonetheless. Heh heh. Aug 22 22:23:31 if i wasn't sure, i'd say that the monomakefile is intentionally hobbled to make it harder for newer/greener developers to come onboard and start pushing features .. Aug 22 22:24:02 i'm about to abandon it and start from scratch Aug 22 22:24:27 basically, it just doesn't work. Aug 22 22:24:44 right Aug 22 22:24:50 Writchie: From scratch is pretty easy, actually. I decided to go that way because I always have to do things the hard way. Aug 22 22:24:57 and i've spent a week trying to get it to work, and wasted my time Aug 22 22:25:00 what, mokomakefile? Aug 22 22:25:03 i've started from scratch. Aug 22 22:25:04 seems like its the easyway in this case Aug 22 22:25:07 hozer: yup Aug 22 22:25:20 (I think mokomakefile is awesome, but I want to see what's going on under the hood.) Aug 22 22:25:50 i think its awesome too, but frankly i don't trust that its not being intentionally screwed up by the older developers to keep us newer guys in order .. Aug 22 22:26:10 The directions in the wiki on the 2007.2 page (which refer you, in part, to the OE getting started page) are excellent. Aug 22 22:26:11 anybody know if the 20070819 snapshop actually works Aug 22 22:26:36 well i finally have qemu running, w00t! but its not running my own images... Aug 22 22:26:44 seems that make all doesn't build the kernel image for some reason. Aug 22 22:26:47 which directrions - the one's that say ignore everything that follows or - everything that follows? Aug 22 22:27:43 its one of the reasons i hate wiki's, such questions as that. Aug 22 22:27:52 you can never be sure that a wiki is as good as it says it is.. Aug 22 22:28:00 Writchie: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#How_to_build Aug 22 22:28:11 quicksand: i did that, and i can't flash my own image. Aug 22 22:28:12 Do "everything that follows" -- don't ignore. :) Aug 22 22:29:05 Really, just follow the OpenEmbedded "getting started" page linked, but with the local.conf file as suggested by the OpenMoko wiki. Aug 22 22:29:35 And when it is set up "bitbake openmoko-devel-image" will start the build. Aug 22 22:29:36 i didn't do anything to my local.conf file, but i finished a full build yesterday Aug 22 22:30:19 well it now seems it wasn't a full build: no kernel Aug 22 22:31:13 * hozer wonders how badly the in-kernel afs client will foobar things if he turns it on Aug 22 22:31:26 If there's no kernel, I don't have much confidence that the rootfs image is correct either. Aug 22 22:31:45 Maybe someone more knowledgeable than I will turn up. Aug 22 22:31:52 2007.2 just built for me on 32-bit debian etch Aug 22 22:32:02 Wow, like magic! Aug 22 22:32:18 heh, afs Aug 22 22:32:23 what, do you work for IBM or something Aug 22 22:32:52 no, I've just been hoping for a distributed filesystem that supports disconnected operation Aug 22 22:33:30 and after playing with Coda, then intermezzo, then watching cachefs for awhile, I'm back to AFS Aug 22 22:33:57 nfs! Aug 22 22:34:03 ... is almost always the wrong answer Aug 22 22:34:23 so... I suspect I can't just do 'make' in the tmp/work/fic-*/linux-gta*/linux-2.6.15.5 Aug 22 22:34:26 hozer: On a handheld? Next you'll want a text-based terminal, and ssh, and network daemons! Oh, wait . . . Aug 22 22:35:07 * ajmitch wonders how well mysql will go on this :) Aug 22 22:35:14 oh my Aug 22 22:35:25 what do you need mysql for that sqlite can't do Aug 22 22:35:41 for the fun of it Aug 22 22:35:57 though I see that sqlite is available Aug 22 22:36:31 how i may setup call music? Aug 22 22:36:50 For a production website backend and CMS, of course! Over GPRS! Aug 22 22:37:17 quicksand: exactly! Aug 22 22:37:42 imagine how many of these devices you could fit in a rack! Aug 22 22:37:45 absolutely *zero* reason why you shouldn't do such a thing as put mysql on it. Aug 22 22:38:00 after all, for a long long time, your typical mysql server wasn't much more than whats in the neo Aug 22 22:38:26 so.. what the heck is the commandline that gets executed to build the kernel Aug 22 22:38:32 it generally would have had more space available Aug 22 22:38:42 * ajmitch doesn't have the microSD card working reliably Aug 22 22:39:16 * quicksand has a 2GB card -- not too useful for a device that doesn't do much. Aug 22 22:39:39 Yet. Aug 22 22:39:48 hozer: I believe make build-package-linux Aug 22 22:39:50 ajmitch: i ran plenty of mysql machines with only 1 gig hard drives, back in the day. Aug 22 22:39:52 movies and music Aug 22 22:40:14 torpor: this has 64MB of flash, without the microSD card working it's a bit limited Aug 22 22:40:20 jseghers: but the question is why isn't this part of 'make all'. Aug 22 22:40:25 jseghers: I need to figure out how to set the right env variables and call the kernel makefiles to build a kernel module Aug 22 22:40:27 quicksand: you have another music player? Aug 22 22:40:31 ajmitch: but it does work. Aug 22 22:40:32 more importantly, the GTA01 should have enough power to play doom Aug 22 22:40:44 torpor: maybe it works for you Aug 22 22:41:17 can someone please confirm: "make openmoko-devel-image" does *not* build the kernel .. this has to be done separately? Aug 22 22:41:24 coz if so, its gotta be put on the wiki somewhere. Aug 22 22:41:45 mentax: starling is the GPE music player: http://gpe.linuxtogo.org/projects/starling.shtml Aug 22 22:42:00 And it works on openmoko if you build it. Aug 22 22:42:16 But there's an openmoko media player in progess as well. Aug 22 22:43:42 now that the P1 has been out for a month or so, how is the making and placing calls? is that any more reliable? Aug 22 22:43:43 jseghers: there's no package-linux target in mokomakefile Aug 22 22:44:27 build-package-linux Aug 22 22:44:39 build-package-linux Aug 22 22:45:05 Basically any package can be built with "build-package-" Aug 22 22:45:18 look for build-package-% in the makefile Aug 22 22:45:18 quicksander: you may get me man how build that package? Aug 22 22:45:30 ah Aug 22 22:45:50 damnit, is this just a big fallacy or what? Aug 22 22:45:58 D:? Aug 22 22:46:01 cp: cannot stat `/home/j/hak/openmoko/openembedded/packages/linux/linux-2.6.21/defconfig': No such file or directory Aug 22 22:46:21 torpor: do the following (I was getting that earlier) Aug 22 22:46:29 torpor: I'm not a mokomakefile user, but try: make build-package-linux-fic-gta01 Aug 22 22:46:46 ok Aug 22 22:46:46 torpor: you need to update the OE metadata Aug 22 22:47:00 torpor are you using mokomakefile? Aug 22 22:47:01 with a 'make update' right? problem is i've done that about 20 times today.. Aug 22 22:47:04 yes Aug 22 22:47:09 set up for 2007.2 Aug 22 22:47:12 make update-makefile, first Aug 22 22:47:20 done that too Aug 22 22:47:22 tons of times Aug 22 22:47:23 then make clobber-patches Aug 22 22:47:29 then make update Aug 22 22:47:32 torpor: also, if for some reason you have BBMASK="uboot" in your local.conf, take that out. Aug 22 22:47:45 oh shit, is this gonna take another 3 days to finish after i clobber-patches? Aug 22 22:47:54 then make setup Aug 22 22:47:55 (It shouldn't be there if you didn't put it there, though.) Aug 22 22:48:19 then make clean-package-linux Aug 22 22:48:27 then make openmoko-devel-image Aug 22 22:48:53 jseghers: so its: make update-makefile clobber-patches update setup clean-package-linux openmoko-devel-image? Aug 22 22:49:21 Heh. Aug 22 22:49:24 torpor, just started with this today, but i believe the kernel package is named "linux-gta01", so you should do a "make rebuild-package-linux-gta01" Aug 22 22:49:37 ERROR: No providers of build target linux-fic-gta01 (for []) Aug 22 22:49:37 make: *** [build-package-linux-fic-gta01] Error 1 Aug 22 22:49:57 nulucas: that's right -- not linux-fic-gta01 as I suggested. My bad. Aug 22 22:50:16 okay, trying that. Aug 22 22:50:41 very frustrating - shouldn't this be part of the 'make all' that we want to do to be able to build complete finished images from our own local sources? Aug 22 22:51:45 torpor, "make openmoko-devel-image" works for me. don't know where you have seen that "make all" Aug 22 22:52:04 nulucas: does not work for me - well, it does work, but no kernel is built. Aug 22 22:52:17 torpor: sure you're not BBMASKing anything? Aug 22 22:52:23 Mentax: wiki, wiki, wiki! Everything you need to know about building images, packages, etc. is on the 2007.2 page and the mokomakefile page. Aug 22 22:52:24 (e.g. uboot?) Aug 22 22:52:28 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2 Aug 22 22:52:43 rwhitby: definitely not Aug 22 22:52:51 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile Aug 22 22:53:03 Have you run bitbake with -DDD to see what's going wrong? Aug 22 22:53:12 nope Aug 22 22:53:20 * rwhitby goes to work Aug 22 22:53:23 i'm just trying to do 'the normal' rwhitby. Aug 22 22:53:45 as far as i can see, in openmoko-devel-image there is no stage for building the kernel .. Aug 22 22:55:13 torpor: if you really want to see where that happens, you're going to need to dig into bitbake files. Aug 22 22:55:19 yeah Aug 22 22:55:23 I don't think you'll see it in the makefile. Aug 22 22:55:44 but i just do not get why it is that this hasn't been discovered before .. i'm not on an unusual machine (ubuntu) and i'm just following the wiki pretty rotely. Aug 22 22:56:09 For example, browse thru oe/org.openembedded.dev/packages/tasks/*.bb Aug 22 22:56:13 anyway, it looks like the kernel is being built now with that last build-linux-gta01 Aug 22 22:56:37 i think the wiki should e updated to include this step, if indeed this is how the kernel is to be built .. Aug 22 22:56:55 Especially task-base.bb and openmoko-base.bb (or something like that name). Aug 22 22:57:15 i know a few linux hackers who have gotten neo's for the purpose of doing exactly this level of system build, and they're going to be quite pissed off that the makefile doens't in fact 'do everything as advertised', rightly or wrongly. Aug 22 22:57:40 but okay, the kernel is being built and i have a way of building it now. Aug 22 22:57:47 so i'll just finish that, and then test it all in the morning. Aug 22 22:58:08 Ordinarily, the kernel should be built by openmoko-devel-image. It always has been for me. It's possible your build went off the rails somehow. Hopefully it will work better going forward. Aug 22 22:58:08 the most part of my participation in this project is going to be revolving around my ability to build a kernel, modules, and libs .. Aug 22 22:58:19 i'm planning on adding MidiShare.bb to the mix, somewhere along the line .. Aug 22 22:58:27 * ajmitch has never had a problem with the mokomakefile not building uImage, etc Aug 22 22:58:41 torpor, all i can say is that the work directory for the build is "build/tmp/work/fic-gta01-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/linux-gta01-2.6.21.5-r3", but as I use "rm_work" I don't have the temp files now Aug 22 22:58:42 torpor: what are you working on? Aug 22 22:58:44 though the last successful build I had was pre-2007.2 :) Aug 22 22:59:22 the .config is there Aug 22 22:59:24 maybe i should have done a bitbake -mrproper linux-gta01, and then done a make openmoko-devel-image .. its possible that the image build was attempted, but crapped out when i ran out of disk space or something.. Aug 22 23:00:02 can I safely remove build-OM-2007.1 ? Aug 22 23:00:04 quite possible, I'm doing a rebuild after a make clobber now, so I won't have any results for awhile Aug 22 23:00:09 hozer: i've been doing Midi-related apps for embedded linux-ARM for the last 5 years .. i wanna port some of these apps to the neo1973 this month .. i also have a few simple games i want to port (from GP2X) as well .. Aug 22 23:00:31 I'd love to see MIDI capabilities in OpenMoko. I used to do some step-sequencing on my old Palm V with a general-midi module attached, just for fun. Aug 22 23:00:48 The Neo's possibilities are much, much greater. Aug 22 23:00:56 yeah, i've got a fullblown midi sequencer (step and piano roll) as well as a few other things like a patch editor/librarian for midi synths, etc. Aug 22 23:01:01 ~[5~ Aug 22 23:01:24 i was working for a synth mfr for a few years, trying to get them to put linux into a working synth product Aug 22 23:01:32 all software? Aug 22 23:01:40 Sweet. Do me a favor and post something on the mailing lists when you have something. I'll beta for you. Maybe even alpha. :) Aug 22 23:01:45 but they decided to stay with the proprietary firmware direction instead, because they didn't believe linux was really going to work in smaller devices. Aug 22 23:01:52 ajmitch: nope, hardware+software. Aug 22 23:02:08 what midi capabilities does the neo's sound chip have? Aug 22 23:02:21 quicksand: you'll hear about it here first. soon as i have ipk's up for people to plug into the neo's, and a working image that will actually let them install ipks', i'll be posting about it in here first .. Aug 22 23:02:56 Awesome. Aug 22 23:02:57 ajmitch: MIDI is often very poorly understood. MIDI isn't actually a sound-generating spec or language - it is a control spec. Too often mfr's have used MIDI for control, pairing it with some other synth engine for the actual sound generation. Aug 22 23:03:18 right Aug 22 23:03:19 what i've done is focused on MIDI as a control protocol - MidiShare (for which I did an ARM port) - provides a very solid MIDI API for further control apps development. Aug 22 23:03:28 MIDI is really more like a serial networking protocol .. Aug 22 23:03:59 AFAIK the sound chip in the Neo isn't good for much more than PCM output. But I imagine a softsynth would be doable. Aug 22 23:04:15 a softsynth is highly doable. Aug 22 23:04:22 also a basic sampler is highly doable too. Aug 22 23:04:28 Yep. Aug 22 23:04:32 so you can use MIDI to trigger samples - like a drum kit for example - and such things .. Aug 22 23:04:38 * ajmitch was surprised that speaker output didn't cut off when the headphones were plugged in Aug 22 23:05:06 anyway this is the reason for me wanting to have a compete build and kit and tools, so that i can really integrate midishare properly. its a lib+module sort of package + apps .. so there is all sides to be covered. Aug 22 23:05:17 hrrm... what is '-fpreprocessed /afs/hozed.org/user/hozer/.ccache' doing? Aug 22 23:05:57 I wonder if I should create a separate user for builds Aug 22 23:06:48 hozer: not really necessary. Just don't have any symlinks in your path leading to the top of your build path. Aug 22 23:07:03 I'm building within a subdirectory of my (usual user) home dir. Aug 22 23:07:24 thats what i'm doing too .. /home/me/hak/openmoko & /home/me/hak/open2x &etc. Aug 22 23:07:26 works okay Aug 22 23:07:29 well... my homdir is in afs Aug 22 23:07:33 just make sure you don't mix up your ENV vars .. Aug 22 23:09:56 and I don't want to have it hitting afs for compiling every file Aug 22 23:11:19 hozer: make a directory to be your OM dir on your local drive. Aug 22 23:11:41 I did.. but there's some stuff hitting my homedir too Aug 22 23:11:42 is /home on afs? or your home dir? Aug 22 23:11:53 $HOME is in /afs Aug 22 23:12:11 OK... but /home isn't? Aug 22 23:12:22 ah, yes Aug 22 23:12:26 make /home/moko as your build dir? Aug 22 23:12:58 well, I'm building out of /vicepb/moko Aug 22 23:13:10 OK... that works too Aug 22 23:13:22 You shouldn't have any links to your home directory Aug 22 23:13:37 but there's 600M of stuff in $HOME/.ccache Aug 22 23:14:45 that's not unusual if you've got your system setup to use ccache Aug 22 23:16:00 yep, didn't realize that myself. Aug 22 23:16:14 You can probably direct ccache to us a different directory. Aug 22 23:16:38 Yes, the CCACHE_DIR env variable. Aug 22 23:17:00 either that or it's picking up the presence of ccache from the PATH when you start Aug 22 23:17:14 since I'm building as a new user in /home/moko, and it's using ccache Aug 22 23:18:04 So set CCASHE_DIR to $OMDIR/.ccache and it should keep it in your local build directory Aug 22 23:23:20 yeah.. so what file do I set that env variable? Aug 22 23:23:42 duh.. setup-env Aug 22 23:23:49 Your user's .bashrc would be a good place Aug 22 23:24:20 hozer: yeh, setup-env is a good place. Aug 22 23:28:30 wow 300 ppl in here.. Aug 22 23:28:32 its gotten big fast Aug 22 23:28:58 been 300ish for a while. Aug 22 23:29:02 oh yeah.. porting Aleph One to openmoko would be a nice trick to coincide with the Halo 3 launch.. Aug 22 23:29:11 source.bungie.org Aug 22 23:30:17 G'Day everyone Aug 22 23:31:32 it (user numbers in OM irc channel) will get worse as new models are released Aug 22 23:31:53 give it two years and I bet it hits 1,000 Aug 22 23:31:57 so.. um, how do we keep the S/N ratio up as more users come in ;) Aug 22 23:32:21 Split early and focus well. Aug 22 23:32:27 -dev, -apps, -newbies Aug 22 23:32:30 what will have to happen is OM will have to split the channels up Aug 22 23:32:47 And work hard on maintaining the quality of the community, so people find help where they belong, and go where they can find it. Aug 22 23:32:54 yeah Aug 22 23:32:55 currently it should mostly be for developers Aug 22 23:33:05 Ubuntu has a pile of channels even one for testing unstable software Aug 22 23:33:35 ie ubuntu+1 Aug 22 23:34:53 where does bitbake spit out/save build log files Aug 22 23:34:59 I'd like to at least watch stuff build Aug 22 23:35:12 openmoko-help openmoko-dev openmoko+1 Aug 22 23:36:11 'ubuntu+1' sort of makes sense because the next release is referred to as something like 'gutsy+1' Aug 22 23:36:29 openmoko-waiting_for_shipping openmoko-nevergonnagetit... Aug 22 23:36:44 HAH Aug 22 23:36:45 I dare say there will be people testing unstable releases of OM stuff \ Aug 22 23:36:50 openmoko-playing_with_iphone.. Aug 22 23:36:53 openmoko-gotmineonmydesk Aug 22 23:37:06 openmoko-ircfromphone Aug 22 23:37:12 heh Aug 22 23:37:19 openmoko-isitreadyyet? Aug 22 23:37:26 * ajmitch checks if irssi is ported Aug 22 23:37:31 err, maybe that should be openmoko-huge-gprs-bills Aug 22 23:37:38 openmoko-global_domination Aug 22 23:38:04 okay.. how do I get my treo contact list into the moko contacts app Aug 22 23:38:13 it appears to be based on evolution, correct? Aug 22 23:38:18 hozer: depends if your in openmoko-using-someoneesles-wifi Aug 22 23:39:29 I bet the first set of tools ported to the GTA02 are for sniffing open wifi nodes Aug 22 23:39:47 kismet has a gtk+ ui, doesn't it? Aug 22 23:40:00 I had some idea of a collaborative p2p wifi mapping software integrated with the neo gps Aug 22 23:40:30 yeah, I can imagine people downloading a pile of stuff over wifi with p2p Aug 22 23:41:00 I was thinking more some database you connect to over gprs to get a list of local wifi access points and ratings on how well they work Aug 22 23:41:06 sings "The openmoko is FOR PORN!" Aug 22 23:41:31 *yawn* Aug 22 23:41:36 hey hads Aug 22 23:41:43 'lo ajmitch Aug 22 23:41:48 been hacking away? Aug 22 23:42:03 * hozer realizes that an OM build is a perfect filesystem stress test Aug 22 23:42:13 what if someone breaks make setup? Aug 22 23:42:14 linux_galore, yeah well, what did you expect a VGA screen on a phone to be good for? Aug 22 23:42:21 ajmitch: Not too much actually, been trying to catch up on work from last week so I can :) Aug 22 23:42:29 how to recover. Aug 22 23:42:32 or refetch Aug 22 23:42:39 hozer: Yeah, mine fails :) Aug 22 23:42:47 mjr: I was wondering why they needed a 200DPI screen heh Aug 22 23:43:05 hads: are you doing the 2007.1 or 2007.2 build? Aug 22 23:43:19 ello all Aug 22 23:44:00 hozer: Oh, I meant my disk/controller/something fails the test - it doesn't like massive amounts of writes, puts some important stuff into D state :\ Aug 22 23:44:07 what should we be using? Aug 22 23:44:15 \2007.1 or .2? Aug 22 23:44:19 .2 Aug 22 23:44:33 i am using mokomakefile Aug 22 23:45:46 heh Aug 22 23:48:31 sigh, build failed again :) Aug 22 23:52:27 where do the bitbake logfiles go? Aug 22 23:52:41 I want to see what make commands and output of the compile Aug 22 23:53:38 hozer: I don't recall offhand, but if a build fails, scroll back up the screen and it will tell you where the log is for the failed action. Aug 22 23:53:44 You can extrapolate from there. Aug 22 23:53:47 heh.. $OMDIR/build/tmp/work/armv4*/package Aug 22 23:54:15 hi im having problems running make setup. its trying to patch a file git.py Aug 22 23:54:19 and other files. Aug 22 23:55:14 does make setup have a log section? Aug 22 23:55:31 BlackBsd: make clobber-patches first Aug 22 23:55:45 it claims its Applying patch patches/bitbake-1.6.6-om3.patch Aug 22 23:56:12 yep, that one is listed on the main mokomakefile wiki page, and was also mentioned in my 2007.2 mokomakefile announcement email Aug 22 23:56:16 the only thing i see thats different from before is the fact that its 2007.2 Aug 22 23:56:30 I'm beginning to think successful builds only occur when the phase of the moon is correct and the setting sun casts a shadow through a keyhole onto a magical gem that deactivates rwhitby's works_for_me gremlin. Aug 22 23:56:33 how big is a build without rm work Aug 22 23:56:55 heh Aug 22 23:56:57 BryceLeo: 10GB or more Aug 22 23:57:10 quicksand: no argument here Aug 22 23:57:15 rwhitby: anything more exact tahn that Aug 22 23:57:32 sorry, im not subscribed Aug 22 23:57:35 i should get subscribed Aug 22 23:57:36 BryceLeo: nope, I use rm_work on all my builds Aug 22 23:57:56 anyone without rm_work wann do a du -sh and wait on their $OMDIR Aug 22 23:58:30 where do you set rm_work? Aug 22 23:58:36 BryceLeo: I took a look at my build directory a few days ago and it was 14GB, but this was with several aborted builds worth of cruft. Aug 22 23:59:29 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Bern]] [[Talk:OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Warsaw]] [[Talk:Neo1973_and_Windows]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_OWL]] Aug 22 23:59:55 quicksand: alrighty thanks Aug 23 00:00:01 guess i'll have to wait till the new drive gets here Aug 23 00:00:04 damn, i finally got qemu compiled and gcc 3x on gentoo. Aug 23 00:00:07 i'm working on 20gb right now Aug 23 00:00:19 im wondering what else i need to do to run the apps on my pc Aug 23 00:02:25 BryceLeo: my current 2007.2 build is 6.5GB *using* rm_work Aug 23 00:02:53 BryceLeo: why not use rm_work? Aug 23 00:03:01 hmmm... i'll have to see what sort of cruft i can massage out of this thing Aug 23 00:03:13 builds the image slower Aug 23 00:04:51 is rm_work the default or not? I haven't set it myself... Aug 23 00:05:02 it's not the default Aug 23 00:05:05 still waiting on du -sh... but I need to leve the office. Aug 23 00:05:10 dang Aug 23 00:05:15 thanks for the try! Aug 23 00:05:18 :) Aug 23 00:05:19 I probably should make rm_work the default, now that it works. Aug 23 00:05:59 rwhitby: i dont know if maybe i'm mis-understanding what it does. but if you're building applications isn't it slower because it has to re-download packages? Aug 23 00:06:10 rwhitby hehe.. yeah Aug 23 00:06:42 BryceLeo: doesn't cause anything to be redownloaded or rebuilt Aug 23 00:07:24 If a package builds successfully, there's not much need to keep the source and patches around. Aug 23 00:07:35 rwhitby: hmm... is there a page that explains rm_work Aug 23 00:07:57 I'll post a cryptic note about it to the development list when I get in tomorrow... it *should* be done by then :) Aug 23 00:08:12 hahaha sweet thanks jseghers Aug 23 00:11:14 *sigh* .. now we just need our own monotone mirror and the buildsys is nearly callable performant :) Aug 23 00:11:28 Is there a way to get the network configured on the NEO to see the internet through USB? Aug 23 00:11:51 Yes. It's the interface usb0 Aug 23 00:11:55 gcb77 there's a wiki article on it and you also need a resolv.conf Aug 23 00:13:03 You mean gprs, or usb-net so that apps on the neo can see the world through USB? Aug 23 00:16:41 SpeedEvil: usb-net Aug 23 00:17:13 Basically. Aug 23 00:17:52 route add default gw 192.168.0.200 - if that's the other end of the USB link, and enable the other end to do forwarding Aug 23 00:18:00 I took a snapshot of /proc/apm every 30 sec, and wrote to a log file on the card until the dvice died Aug 23 00:18:02 and you need to setup /etc/resolv.conf of course Aug 23 00:18:27 gcb77: yes - it's not linear - I'm fixing it - I have a patch in mid-polish. Aug 23 00:18:28 It took 5 minutes to go from 50% to 0 Aug 23 00:18:42 cool :) Aug 23 00:18:43 That's about right. Aug 23 00:18:50 Or expected, rather Aug 23 00:23:55 quicksand: do you have the ipkg of gpe-filemanager? Aug 23 00:36:09 wow! Aug 23 00:36:11 just tried the new release Aug 23 00:36:17 finger scrolling == win Aug 23 00:36:24 lol Aug 23 00:36:25 ;D Aug 23 00:36:30 hahaha niice Aug 23 00:36:32 u mean kinetic Aug 23 00:36:33 ? Aug 23 00:38:04 has there been any talk of gta02 release date? Aug 23 00:38:32 yeah i'm waiting for the news too ;) Aug 23 00:39:13 and 450$ is the final price for Neo Basic and 600$ for Advanced? Aug 23 00:40:35 it's probably going to be the final price Aug 23 00:41:20 hmmm but the price for ups service is to big :/ Aug 23 00:41:53 the gta02 is worth it Aug 23 00:42:04 yeah Aug 23 00:42:06 certainly way more worth it than a Palm device like the 755 Aug 23 00:42:23 sure thing Aug 23 00:43:50 i hope thet it will be more preapaired then the last GTA01 and it will be enough for all ppl ;D Aug 23 00:59:14 freak01: they'll never do something like that, always have a demand, demand breeds word of mouth breeds more demand Aug 23 00:59:32 ;) Aug 23 00:59:44 lol it would be nice thought Aug 23 00:59:45 though* Aug 23 00:59:59 i wish to buy it but Aug 23 01:00:09 if i will be to late ;p i will be angry Aug 23 01:00:10 ;D Aug 23 01:00:24 hahaha Aug 23 01:00:52 i don't even have enough money to buy a working phone for myself Aug 23 01:00:58 im trying to earn for thet "blessing of Gods" ;p in Irleand ;p Aug 23 01:01:17 haha Aug 23 01:01:38 yeah thets true Aug 23 01:01:47 XD Aug 23 01:04:24 lol Aug 23 01:15:59 good morning! is the memory bus on neo 16 or 32 bits wide? Aug 23 01:16:40 ew Aug 23 01:16:42 32 Aug 23 01:17:03 nice.. thats what I was hoping :) Aug 23 01:17:13 so 32 bits @ 133MHz Aug 23 01:17:19 2*16bit * 32M Aug 23 01:17:21 yes. Aug 23 01:18:17 we seem to be having performance issues that look to be memory bandwidth limited Aug 23 01:18:36 so i'm trying to see what proportion of the bus LCD refresh is consuming Aug 23 01:18:41 hm, interesting, it looks like after a dfu-util -U the uboot timeout goes away (i.e. it does not turn off by itself anymore) Aug 23 01:18:49 * cesarb will now try the -D Aug 23 01:19:03 Not that bad - around 10% normally. Aug 23 01:19:59 cheriff..... where are you that it's morning? Aug 23 01:20:40 sydney. and actually it's late morning, 11:20am :) Aug 23 01:20:58 Thanks for the help, I can ping yahoo.com from the phone now:) Aug 23 01:21:08 :) Aug 23 01:21:15 Just had to work around the YaST config Aug 23 01:21:32 lol cheriff that sounds like a nice place to live Aug 23 01:22:00 gcb YaST??? Aug 23 01:22:02 huh? Aug 23 01:22:17 BryceLeo: not today is isn't.. weather's been miserable all week! Aug 23 01:22:33 BryceLeo: I'm running opensuse on the host Aug 23 01:23:04 gcb77: what opensuse version Aug 23 01:23:05 YaST is the config tool from Novel Aug 23 01:23:10 10.2 Aug 23 01:23:16 got any tips for setting up OE on there? Aug 23 01:23:32 i've got a sun workstation running Opensuse 10.2 at work Aug 23 01:23:38 i thought you meant yast on the phone Aug 23 01:26:26 BryceLeo: had to work around a couple of things Aug 23 01:26:30 See: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:MokoMakefile#openSUSE_10.2_workarounds Aug 23 01:26:38 and: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:OpenMoko_under_QEMU#Compiling_QEMU_with_SUSE_10.2 Aug 23 01:27:34 I never got the gadget ethernet device working since 10.2 comes with 2.6.18, and you need at least 2.6.20 Aug 23 01:27:49 gcb77 you rock, i never managed to find any help... i was searching the OE wiki Aug 23 01:27:50 But 10.3 is in beta now, so it wont be long :) Aug 23 01:28:19 gcb77: haha do you really like suse or do you use it for other reasons? Aug 23 01:29:11 gcb77: i'm not a yast fan i just hate how in some ways it's so damn convoluted Aug 23 01:29:37 now i can use my work box as a build host Aug 23 01:29:40 I really like it... been using it for years Aug 23 01:30:10 hmm.. i guess it's one of those things to get used to, like i absolutely loved Mandrake back in the day Aug 23 01:31:29 SpeedEvil: I slowed the lcd refresh to 28Hz from around 42 (if my calculations are correct) and besides a bit of flicker to difference. So you're right about that Aug 23 01:32:16 * cesarb playing with the "stylus" right now Aug 23 01:32:26 This thing is completely ridiculous Aug 23 01:32:44 cesarb: the pen/torch/laser/stylus? Aug 23 01:33:20 cesarb: aww what's wrong with the stlyus? Aug 23 01:33:22 cheriff: yeah... the led is pretty cool, but the fact that everything is crammed on a single pen-looking thing looks a bit ridiculous Aug 23 01:33:35 BryceLeo: quite simply: it does not fit Aug 23 01:33:53 cesarb: I disagree, I like it a lot Aug 23 01:33:53 BryceLeo: and it's overdone Aug 23 01:33:59 I just keep forgetting it Aug 23 01:34:15 What's wrong with a five-cent piece of plastic, like the one on a Zire 72? Aug 23 01:34:20 I'll probably just use my old palm stylus for the NEO Aug 23 01:34:27 aww man, time for a drill to the case and a bit of dremeling to fit in an ipaq or treo stylus Aug 23 01:34:42 BryceLeo: lol, yea Aug 23 01:34:49 * cesarb will probably buy a set of replacement palm styluses, they are much more natural-sized Aug 23 01:35:11 The pen is actually cheap. Aug 23 01:35:16 cesarb: if you're in usa amazon has some good reasonably priced ones Aug 23 01:35:17 Prolly $2 in bulk. Aug 23 01:35:20 damn Aug 23 01:35:22 that is cheap Aug 23 01:35:29 $4 on ebay Aug 23 01:35:30 BryceLeo: good luck... the case is packed (see the photos), you will probably want an alternative back Aug 23 01:35:45 woo hoo, the feed reader just downloaded the messages from OpenMoko :D Aug 23 01:35:52 BryceLeo: I'm on Brazil, so it probably is at least 3 times as expensive Aug 23 01:35:53 openmoko Aug 23 01:36:08 SpeedEvil: yeah, I have another one (minus the led) that was given to every male at some formal dinner event. customised with company logos and stuff Aug 23 01:36:14 cesarb: ahh ok, def more expensive in brazil Aug 23 01:36:46 cesarb: i really want to see those expansion back things come into reality Aug 23 01:37:27 This is bizarre. I seem to have triggered some sort of pathalogical case in the linux VM. Aug 23 01:37:43 It's swapping everything out really hard. Aug 23 01:38:01 To the extent that I have 84/128M of memory free. Aug 23 01:38:38 (not on neo) Aug 23 01:39:36 94 free... Aug 23 01:40:00 .... oops Aug 23 01:40:19 that's odd Aug 23 01:40:27 Very. Aug 23 01:41:55 anyone have a link to an explanation of when rm_work is needed and not needed Aug 23 01:42:26 As I understand it. Aug 23 01:42:35 rm_work solely saves disk space. Aug 23 01:42:46 At some time cost on your next build. Aug 23 01:43:15 ahhh ok makes sense Aug 23 01:43:23 that's what i understood Aug 23 01:44:12 SpeedEvil: or in the same build... when (not if) you have to restart after fixing some silly bashism or other random build breakage Aug 23 01:44:27 so if you're constantly re-building the image to test core functionality such as the panel or the keyboard, or other interfaces it makes sense to not use it Aug 23 01:45:54 i can't wait till i get that new drive Aug 23 01:46:35 160gb in the way, doubles my current storage Aug 23 01:46:42 Cool, this snapshot already comes with sgtatham's puzzles! Aug 23 01:47:03 Adding these puzzles to the neo was like one of the first things I wanted to do Aug 23 01:47:26 cesarb: A lot of them have no input mechanisms, tho Aug 23 01:47:36 cesarb: do you want to figure out how to make keyboard input work with them? ;) Aug 23 01:48:33 I just figured that when you click on a list item, it thinks you are still on the previous list... making the wrong program appear Aug 23 01:49:44 ahh, that explains it. I ran into that, but I couldn't figure out the pattern Aug 23 01:50:01 I"m trying to find a routine that brings up the GSM to be accessed through X.... Aug 23 01:51:16 sagacis: you mean so you can use the dialer? Aug 23 01:51:17 Cool, "power up GSM antenna" makes all the status icon disappear :P Aug 23 01:51:29 (this thing is as buggy as in the emulator) Aug 23 01:51:48 It seems if I run "/etc/init.d/gsmd stop; /etc/init.d/gmsd start; /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart;" seems to be pretty reproducible. Aug 23 01:52:27 I like to put a start/stop in my /etc/matchbox/session, that makes gsm functional on the first boot Aug 23 01:52:54 It seems the dialer doesn't connect to the gsmd if it starts before the gsmd is restarted Aug 23 01:53:07 something like a chicken-egg paradox Aug 23 01:53:36 aha! Aug 23 01:53:54 if you do what I have done, the dialer works right after boot every time Aug 23 01:54:03 I`m on gprs now Aug 23 01:54:19 mrface, ill try it Aug 23 01:55:06 mrface, did you put it before the dialer call? Aug 23 01:55:47 right after #!/bin/sh Aug 23 01:56:14 I don't see a call to dialer, you mean neod? Aug 23 01:56:19 mrface: Thanks, you just saved me the next few steps. Aug 23 01:56:49 I'm glad Aug 23 01:57:07 mrface: I have http://pastebin.ca/667515 Aug 23 01:57:35 * cesarb gets his rusty old Palm's USB cable, which is way longer than either the Neo's or the Razr's Aug 23 01:57:59 cesarb: which palm device did you have with a standard usb port Aug 23 01:58:03 zire 72? Aug 23 01:58:05 BryceLeo: yep Aug 23 01:58:06 sagacis: oh yeah, I have that too, I can't believe I didn't notice it Aug 23 01:58:11 haha i love my zire72 Aug 23 01:58:13 sagacis: do the instructions in the wiki work for gprs? Aug 23 01:58:14 I still need to figure out why xchat chops off the last 4 letters Aug 23 01:58:18 o need to replace the battery though Aug 23 01:58:25 BryceLeo: the one with the cool blue paint which has a nice grip on your hand Aug 23 01:58:39 mrface: Basically Aug 23 01:58:43 BryceLeo: but sadly no grip at all with the device itself, so it flaks off just by looking at it Aug 23 01:59:09 lol cesarb exactly! i've got a silver zire72 now, all of the blue is gone Aug 23 01:59:13 * cesarb bought one like just before they released the "silver" Zire 72s... the one where they basically "repainted" by not using any paint at all Aug 23 01:59:48 sagacis: cool, I need to try it Aug 23 02:00:09 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Repositories]] [[Wishlist:Accessories]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Wish_List]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Warsaw]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Bern]] Aug 23 02:00:12 haha yeah i bought that as well, it's a fantastic device, just as powerful as a Treo without the phone parts Aug 23 02:00:42 Okay, anyone who built a uboot the last two days from oe.dev will probably want to throw that away and rebuild. Aug 23 02:00:47 BryceLeo: yeah, it's a great device, except for the infuriatingly obsolete 16-bit-like operating system Aug 23 02:01:06 lol cesarb i'll give you that, but you can't beat being able to whip up a quick app on the fly with plua Aug 23 02:01:17 the bindings are right there and make apps simple as heck to build Aug 23 02:01:27 and it's fast too Aug 23 02:01:46 BryceLeo: does it have bindings for the bluetooth too? Aug 23 02:02:19 i'll give you that, no bt bindings Aug 23 02:03:07 Poky should boot on the zire though Aug 23 02:03:23 BryceLeo: I've booted angstrom on it already Aug 23 02:03:30 Ive seen Tungsten's selling second for next to nothing Aug 23 02:04:12 I should buy one and put Linuxon it Aug 23 02:05:03 cesarb: sweet deal, assume it's on the angstrom wiki? Aug 23 02:06:22 does angstrom have drives for sdio wifi? Aug 23 02:07:16 BryceLeo: http://hackndev.com/palm/z72 Aug 23 02:07:43 BryceLeo: I got the link to where this guy put an angstrom build from somewhere on this page Aug 23 02:07:50 BryceLeo: it was some time ago, however Aug 23 02:08:13 sweet, the link is all that i need, reading and digging doesn't bother me a bit Aug 23 02:08:16 (using that zire 72 is annoying, as the batteries are dying and run down way too fast) Aug 23 02:08:25 zire is palm os Aug 23 02:08:31 thanks a ton cesarb Aug 23 02:08:39 BryceLeo: try to get the gigantic forum thread where this guy discusses things Aug 23 02:08:46 cesarb: i'm going to be droping a replacement in soon enough Aug 23 02:09:22 cesarb: that sounds like a plan i'll comb the forum Aug 23 02:10:19 BryceLeo: I'm not finding it right now, it's a huge thread (tens of pages) where the guy posted each one of his milestones Aug 23 02:10:48 * BryceLeo is looking around for it Aug 23 02:11:21 BryceLeo: found it: http://hackndev.com/node/61 Aug 23 02:11:31 you rock Aug 23 02:11:37 BryceLeo: only 548 comments Aug 23 02:11:53 BryceLeo: (just had to search for the guy's nickname on the forum search, it was the first hit...) Aug 23 02:12:01 hahaha awesome Aug 23 02:12:50 * sagacis|neo_ thinks he`s back Aug 23 02:12:51 BryceLeo: there's another interesting page, on a wiki somewhere... finding it right now... Aug 23 02:13:06 thanks a ton cesarb Aug 23 02:13:11 BryceLeo: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/PalmZire72 <- this one Aug 23 02:13:39 BryceLeo: these three pages (the blog-like one, the forum thread, and the wiki one) are all I have on the subject Aug 23 02:14:21 awesome, that's more than enough, thank you so much Aug 23 02:18:31 cesarb: How did you get the feedreader to do something? Aug 23 02:19:25 nevermind. it just updated Aug 23 02:21:08 are the feeds still hardcoded Aug 23 02:21:14 Halleleua!! mokomakefile build of om2007.2 finally completed successfully (ubuntu 7.04) Aug 23 02:21:51 Writchie, congrats! Aug 23 02:22:25 * rwhitby is back Aug 23 02:22:25 Writchie: heh, i'm in that current waiting boat Aug 23 02:22:32 * BryceLeo cheers for rwhitby Aug 23 02:24:43 SpeedEvil: rm_work has absolutely no effect on build time (apart from the time to rm the work directory). If something was going to be rebuilt, the first thing that happens is that it is done in a new directory anyway, so doing an rm_work before that has no effect on the time of the subsequent builds. Aug 23 02:25:13 make update-makefile clobber-patches update setup clean-package-linux openmoko-devel-image Aug 23 02:27:24 Writchie: from now on, only "make update all" should be required, unless there is a change in the makefile, in which case "make update-makefile ; make setup" before doing "make update all" Aug 23 02:27:47 you can see if there is a change pending in the makefile with "make check-makefile" Aug 23 02:27:59 rwhitby: tx Aug 23 02:32:45 * rwhitby starts a mokomakefile 2007.2 build on CentOS 5 Aug 23 02:33:49 rwhitby: would like to know how that turns out - did you have to add anything yet Aug 23 02:34:26 Writchie: I record anything that's not available in stock repos or rpmforge on the OEAndYourDistro page on oe.org Aug 23 02:34:29 * cesarb feels strange running "top s" on a /phone/ Aug 23 02:35:32 The UI startup sound sure is annoyingly loud Aug 23 02:38:17 cesarb, I restored my handset state. now i get no sounds at boot Aug 23 02:38:27 or otherwise... Aug 23 02:38:55 i also lost the force feedback Aug 23 02:39:29 boy they really improved the usabilty of the keyboard Aug 23 02:41:01 hello Aug 23 02:48:35 Hey, I just posted to http://scap.linuxtogo.org/. The resolution on this thing is incredible! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 23 02:59:57 2007