**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 01 02:59:56 2007 Sep 01 03:02:37 is there sound control daemon in openmoko now? Sep 01 03:06:18 It seems gpephone is not as hot as openmoko. Sep 01 03:07:19 OM is the hottest phone around. Sep 01 03:07:27 At least till we fix the power managment. Sep 01 03:07:57 :D Sep 01 03:08:04 SpeedEvil: wb Sep 01 03:08:15 sure, hottest Sep 01 03:08:52 * cesarb thinks we need a "force power off" key combo... like AUX+POWER5s... at least until the GUI stops crashing just because I clicked on the icons on the top right Sep 01 03:09:13 hold power off, and power goes off Sep 01 03:10:03 take battery away. :) Sep 01 03:11:00 SpeedEvil: is there a sound state control daemon in OM now? or integrited to other daemons? Sep 01 03:11:12 No. Sep 01 03:11:55 why no? Sep 01 03:12:07 because there isn't Sep 01 03:12:12 yet at least Sep 01 03:13:11 We need a power control daemon, and a sound state control daemon... Sep 01 03:13:31 However, the power control daemon needs to know the sound state (so it can know when to power off/on the amp chips) Sep 01 03:13:45 Perhaps a "chipsetd" could do everything ;-) Sep 01 03:13:46 sound state is complex though. Sep 01 03:14:24 it's got to work out if the requested new request can be satisfied without interrupting existing events Sep 01 03:14:33 and dynamically reconfigure the chip. Sep 01 03:14:48 SpeedEvil: it also has to priorize, perhaps mix things Sep 01 03:14:57 SpeedEvil: and there are too many possible sound routings Sep 01 03:14:59 power daemon needn't know sound known, it just needs know someone ask for not to sleep. Sep 01 03:15:18 The sound routings have to be ideally dynamic. Sep 01 03:15:34 Richard: it's not a matter of not to sleep, it's a matter of _which_ chips it can sleep, and _which_ modes can be used for each chip Sep 01 03:15:38 SpeedEvil: agreed Sep 01 03:15:40 you need to be able to say 'I want to play a mono sound' Sep 01 03:16:15 and it'll work, even if the chip has to be reconfigured so that it can carry on recording from GSM and talking to it. (doing voicemail) Sep 01 03:16:36 SpeedEvil: we have at least, as inputs, BT GSM DAC mic headphone, and as outputs, BT GSM ADC headset speakers headphone Sep 01 03:16:57 Consider the voicemail case when playing a stereo mp3 on the speakers. Sep 01 03:17:17 There are cases when we can run out of resources. Sep 01 03:17:29 A friend of mine has the idea of describing the chip routing in Lua tables, and using Lua to calculate the routing... Sep 01 03:17:41 hmm Sep 01 03:17:45 * cesarb thinks he sometimes wants to do everything in Lua for some reason Sep 01 03:17:53 lua is nice Sep 01 03:18:13 shame its still too fat/slow :( Sep 01 03:18:19 raster: I worked with the guy who had the idea of calling that language 'Lua'... Sep 01 03:18:22 We just maintain several audio modes Sep 01 03:18:27 raster: 150k runtime, fat? Sep 01 03:18:30 yup Sep 01 03:18:41 Richard: several audio modes loses lots of flexibility. Sep 01 03:18:48 Richard: it's fine near-term. Sep 01 03:18:51 emrbyo's runtime is about 30k Sep 01 03:18:55 raster: you know, some of us work with multi-hundred-megabyte java interpreters Sep 01 03:19:05 raster: 150k is lost in the noise Sep 01 03:19:11 its also sebveral times faster than lua Sep 01 03:19:13 but it shceats Sep 01 03:19:18 u need to compile to bytecode first Sep 01 03:19:30 cesarb: sure - but every bit helps Sep 01 03:19:31 :) Sep 01 03:19:36 i also wanted fast Sep 01 03:19:39 SpeedEvil: virtual audio modes, no dedicate to specific chips. Sep 01 03:19:42 Is there a linux on JVM? Sep 01 03:19:43 and sandboxed to the hilt Sep 01 03:19:55 * SpeedEvil wonders silly things. Sep 01 03:19:56 raster: you can do that trick with lua too... (precompile to bytecode and compile the runtime to not have the compiler) Sep 01 03:20:02 so i went the small/pawn route Sep 01 03:20:09 too late Sep 01 03:20:10 :) Sep 01 03:20:19 already been down that road Sep 01 03:20:24 happy where i am Sep 01 03:20:36 raster: and lua is also sandboxed enough if you don't put the base library on the function's environment Sep 01 03:20:55 raster: the problem with lua is that it insists floating point is good enough as the only numeric type Sep 01 03:20:58 this may all be new Sep 01 03:21:07 this wasn't the case about 3 or 4 years ago Sep 01 03:21:17 * SpeedEvil is currently considering sandboxes for uclinux. Sep 01 03:21:21 raster: because, after all, nowadays floating point is as fast as fixed point on modern CPUs Sep 01 03:21:32 pfft Sep 01 03:21:35 i prefer embryo Sep 01 03:21:38 everything is a 32bit int Sep 01 03:21:39 :) Sep 01 03:21:45 (of course, that completely ignores ARMv4T...) Sep 01 03:22:01 floats are done by overloading operators in an extended class Sep 01 03:22:04 raster: too fat, it will not work on 16bit embedded controllers ;-) Sep 01 03:22:06 * SpeedEvil is waiting impatiently till i386/20/4Mbyte class chips come in under the dollar. Sep 01 03:22:09 yeah Sep 01 03:22:14 most of my stuff won't Sep 01 03:22:22 thats the line at which i "don't care anymore" :) Sep 01 03:22:41 32bit or bust Sep 01 03:22:42 :) Sep 01 03:23:09 raster: oddly, that's the same line gcc picked ;-) Sep 01 03:23:14 I'd imagine a 386 alike engineered solely for cost would be somewhere around the $10 mark now - with everything embedded. Sep 01 03:23:20 cesarb: i'm happy with that :) Sep 01 03:23:33 gcc can do 16 bit Sep 01 03:24:06 mah ints will be 32bit.... or i will strangle thee! Sep 01 03:24:08 :) Sep 01 03:24:35 * SpeedEvil is currently wondering on the cheapest linux system he can make. Sep 01 03:24:52 cesarb: though lua is nice Sep 01 03:24:57 dont get me wrong Sep 01 03:25:06 when i was shopping for alogic extension language Sep 01 03:25:11 lua didn't have a lot of this Sep 01 03:25:26 small did Sep 01 03:26:18 SpeedEvil: .code16gcc is a hack Sep 01 03:28:11 hm, the default splash screen does nice hologram-like effects if you vary your viewing angle Sep 01 03:28:33 the one in uboot? Sep 01 03:28:44 raster: the one with the progress bar Sep 01 03:28:52 hmm Sep 01 03:28:55 i havent seen that Sep 01 03:29:01 is that the psplash one? Sep 01 03:29:03 raster: it seems it's a neat side effect of limited viewing area of the screen Sep 01 03:29:23 i assume this is new in .02? Sep 01 03:29:37 raster: IIRC it is Sep 01 03:29:49 aaah Sep 01 03:29:51 must replace that Sep 01 03:29:55 * cesarb hasn't actually used .01 in a real device Sep 01 03:29:56 must... Sep 01 03:30:17 all the code is done Sep 01 03:30:20 just need to package it up Sep 01 03:30:36 if my .02 build ever works... Sep 01 03:31:00 http://www.rasterman.com/files/exquisite-02.avi Sep 01 03:31:10 hrm, just because I decide to run the neo "untethered", Today decides to use only a very small part of the screen Sep 01 03:32:35 why is the gamma on almost every screen i see so screwed Sep 01 03:32:43 light grey just blends into white Sep 01 03:52:40 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Web_Browser]] Sep 01 04:03:54 * * OM Bug 783 has been created by rod(AT)whitby.id.au Sep 01 04:03:55 * * usb networking mac address changes on each boot Sep 01 04:03:56 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=783 Sep 01 04:38:00 What devices are planned to use OpenMoko besides Neo1973? Sep 01 04:38:27 rumor has it that there are about 8 unannounced devices planned Sep 01 04:38:30 from FIC Sep 01 04:38:47 where is that rumor from? Sep 01 04:38:57 dunno. that's why it's a rumor Sep 01 04:39:07 haha Sep 01 04:39:13 any with a camera? Sep 01 04:39:30 that's the only thing preventing me from getting the Neo1973 Sep 01 04:39:50 and hopefully something durable enough to snowboard with... Sep 01 04:40:37 i haven't heard one way or the other about camera Sep 01 04:40:45 perfect device would have a harddrive, camera, and be durable Sep 01 04:41:05 i'm sure that they're at least considering one model with a camera Sep 01 04:41:09 rather have it all in there than carry around several SD cards Sep 01 04:41:22 I just did an update, and got the new terminal... Sep 01 04:41:24 a_thing: and an 8-core processor Sep 01 04:41:27 and an fpga magic slot Sep 01 04:41:32 looks really nice, but I can't hit RET Sep 01 04:41:36 and highspeed satellite comms Sep 01 04:41:42 those too :P Sep 01 04:41:45 and be tiny, and have 200+ hours of battery life Sep 01 04:41:47 and cost $5 Sep 01 04:42:26 anyhow, seriously, given GTA01 has issues, and GTA02 wont resolve all of those Sep 01 04:42:38 i doubt there are 8 more in the pipeline unnanounced, that seems so unlikely Sep 01 04:43:37 hence rumors Sep 01 04:45:01 * a_thing 's Rio Karma just broke. Sep 01 04:45:10 thermite it Sep 01 04:45:19 * cw666 has a whole box of things to melt down Sep 01 04:45:48 i might have a party and do so, because everyone knows it's good to be drunk when playing with fire Sep 01 04:46:10 haha Sep 01 04:49:05 cw666: what issues does gta01 have? hardware or software issues? Sep 01 04:49:55 ixs: well, minor hw issues, it's not clear how bad those are, hopefully nothing we can't work around or resolve Sep 01 04:50:11 sw is far from ready yet, so can't really expect not to have issues there Sep 01 04:50:26 cw666: if you're referring to battery runtime, there have been some breakthroughs lately. Sep 01 04:51:10 ixs: that's not so bad, i get more than a day from mine right now Sep 01 04:51:25 ohh my? Sep 01 04:51:36 that's not much actually. Sep 01 04:51:46 :D Sep 01 04:52:05 ixs: no, it's terrible compared to the 4+ days other phones get... but it's much better than the 12 hours others see Sep 01 04:52:23 w/ some hacks here i can mostly get away with using it as a phone too Sep 01 04:52:41 ahh well, stable phone and sms is a must Sep 01 04:52:54 i suspect it's a month off, for me anyhow Sep 01 04:53:01 depends what others do and what their needs are for them Sep 01 04:53:11 but im thinking maybe i can use it as my primary phone come say october Sep 01 04:57:33 Can't be worse than my old RAZR... Sep 01 04:57:39 * rwhitby spies http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/sdk/ Sep 01 04:57:45 was a challenge to stay out a whole day and keep my phone alive Sep 01 04:59:28 a_thing: my RAZR gets me 3-4 days easy Sep 01 04:59:41 maybe more Sep 01 05:00:19 that piece of shit broke in like 3 months Sep 01 05:00:23 a few accidental drops Sep 01 05:00:30 and the screen popped off Sep 01 05:00:45 we have thre of them here, they seem to be ok Sep 01 05:00:55 the original one i had was terrible, these seem ok Sep 01 05:01:09 the kid plays with mine and it's still works Sep 01 05:02:08 ohhhh. happy mailman day to you all Sep 01 05:21:19 moin Sep 01 05:24:55 anyone else tried using DTMF tones from the second tab in a call? Sep 01 05:33:28 3352 out of 3352 tasks :) but where is the image? Sep 01 05:56:03 yess... i have a moment.. where are the latest snapshots? /me looks in the normal places Sep 01 05:58:17 daMaestro: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/ is recent, and boots nicely for me. In particular http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11-r2-fic-gta01.bin and http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-P1-August-Snapshot-20070829-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 Sep 01 05:58:56 * rwhitby replaces dropbear with openssh Sep 01 05:59:11 wow, buildhost images Sep 01 05:59:18 much progress must have been made ;-) Sep 01 05:59:49 has mokomakefile been updated for om2007.2? or is it still your makefile? Sep 01 06:12:15 daMaestro: mokomakefile is up to date. Sep 01 06:12:34 (and mokomakefile is my makefile too) Sep 01 06:15:22 i can safely remove build-2007.1 right...been out of action for a long time...and came to know about 2007.2 only a week back.. Sep 01 06:17:35 yep Sep 01 06:17:43 oh well, what the heck..i will nuke it Sep 01 06:17:55 oh thanks..cool ascii art btw ;P Sep 01 06:18:28 rwhitby, ;-) Sep 01 06:18:45 LaF0rge, i like your PTR record.. nice. Sep 01 06:21:07 daMaestro: well, finally we have real internet here Sep 01 06:23:03 (script) planet: Rod Whitby: Replacing dropbear with openssh http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/nslu2-linux/replacing-dropbear-with-openssh.html Sep 01 06:23:07 you had fake internet before? Sep 01 06:23:12 LaF0rge: I'm trying to work out a way for the usbnet g_ether hwaddr to remain constant. Do you have any pointers that I could follow? The naieve "ifconfig usb0 hwaddr xx:yy:zz:aa:bb:cc" didn't work, so I guess I need to go looking in the kernel source ... Sep 01 06:25:09 hmm strangely http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util doesn't list how to flash the rootfs Sep 01 06:25:26 dfu-util -a rootfs -D image.jffs2 Sep 01 06:25:33 ahh, there is a related link Sep 01 06:25:55 * rwhitby adds ntpclient to openmoko-feed.bb Sep 01 06:26:08 ahh so altsetting 5 == rootfs? Sep 01 06:26:19 yep - no need to use the numbers when the names work. Sep 01 06:26:32 cool Sep 01 06:37:43 (script) planet: Rod Whitby: Intercepting hotplug on the Freecom FSG-3 http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/openmoko/intercepting-hotplug-on-the-freecom-fsg-3.html Sep 01 06:41:13 hi Sep 01 06:46:11 rwhitby: I think you can easily pass it to the kernel at bootup time Sep 01 06:47:58 module_param(dev_addr, charp, S_IRUGO); Sep 01 06:47:58 MODULE_PARM_DESC(dev_addr, "Device Ethernet Address"); Sep 01 06:48:03 module_param(host_addr, charp, S_IRUGO); Sep 01 06:48:03 MODULE_PARM_DESC(host_addr, "Host Ethernet Address"); Sep 01 07:01:53 LaF0rge: thx - I guess I can do that in the u-boot environment. Sep 01 07:03:27 is the openmoko using matchbox for most of the development? Sep 01 07:13:00 AvengerMoJo: don't know what you mean. matchbox is a window manager. Sep 01 07:19:22 rwhitby: right ... since the UI base a lot on the windowmanager .. I'm just wonder the design will be using matchbox as base or still think of other Sep 01 07:22:10 AvengerMoJo: I think the latest is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GUI_Style_Guidelines - that was linked from http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2007/08/21/openmoko-20072/ Sep 01 07:22:37 rwhitby: thanks Sep 01 07:23:45 rwhitby: I'm not sure it is my problem or what ... the keyboard didn't show up ... it used to be able trigger by the top menu Sep 01 07:24:31 you need to start the input manager application Sep 01 07:25:34 do you what command it is? openmoko-keyboard? Sep 01 07:25:48 because I try to use the GUI it will start something else :) Sep 01 07:29:57 * rwhitby looks for a userland utility to modify the u-boot environment ... Sep 01 07:30:27 rwhitby: you get jtag ? Sep 01 07:31:20 yep Sep 01 07:33:37 which root fs I should pick for this uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11-r2-fic-gta01.bin kernel? Sep 01 07:37:14 openmoko: 03rwhitby * r156 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Tweaked the setup-mtn target so that it doesn't get affected by the timestamp on OE.mtn changing by an mtn pull. Added the openmoko-feed target. Sep 01 07:37:49 AvengerMoJo: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/ is recent, and boots nicely for me. In particular http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11-r2-fic-gta01.bin and http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-P1-August-Snapshot-20070829-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 Sep 01 07:39:36 rwhitby: thanks Sep 01 07:39:46 OM needs qtopia-core-opensource? Sep 01 07:40:00 for qmake I believe Sep 01 07:40:52 what needs to build using qmake? Sep 01 07:41:38 don't remember - might have been webkit Sep 01 07:42:16 Richard: qt apps? Sep 01 07:42:34 OM have qt apps? Sep 01 07:42:58 I just run bitbake openmoko-devel-image, it tries to down qtopia source. Sep 01 07:43:50 that's for qmake Sep 01 07:48:14 rwhitby: is there a way not using the dfu-utl to update kernel? Sep 01 07:48:52 dunno. why not use dfu-util? Sep 01 07:52:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Translation_HOWTO/de]] [[Talk:Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison]] Sep 01 07:53:07 rwhitby: will just want to update easier :) inside of neo Sep 01 07:53:14 e.g. ipk upgrade kernel :) Sep 01 07:55:27 right - I'm sure you'll be able to use mtd tools to write the kernel partition directly - I presume writing the uImage file directly will work, but haven't tried it. Sep 01 07:56:56 need to know what dfu exactly did .... don't want to break it hehe :) Sep 01 07:57:31 where you get the jtag ? Sep 01 08:15:13 AvengerMoJo: I was a P0 developer who got a Debug Board with the GTA01Bv3 prototype. Sep 01 08:16:51 hi all ( czesc ) Sep 01 08:22:40 cze Sep 01 08:34:52 * rwhitby finally gets the timezone correct on his neo Sep 01 08:38:03 AvengerMoJo in theory that should be possible.. Sep 01 08:38:26 ive not tried that ever.. so dunno Sep 01 08:47:51 I'w can't build any my glade application why? Sep 01 08:50:02 there is a libglade bat when I try to use it I get undefined reference to ... Sep 01 08:53:03 (script) planet: Rod Whitby: Setting the OpenMoko timezone http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/nslu2-linux/setting-the-openmoko-timezone.html Sep 01 09:03:09 Got my t-mobile prepaid card password using the "Manual SMS" Sep 01 09:28:30 hello Sep 01 09:28:52 is anyone using distcc to compile openmoko and can help me setting it up? Sep 01 09:31:24 hi Sep 01 09:32:25 openmoko: 03laforge * r2880 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (series uboot-gta02.patch): * add proper MODEM_ON/MODEM_RST handling to 'neo1973 gsm on' command of GTA02 Sep 01 09:33:06 openmoko: 03laforge * r2881 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-serial_terminal.patch: * add initial version of serial terminal patch (can be used for passthrough). Sep 01 09:39:07 hello Sep 01 09:43:24 Is anyone else having trouble with the ENTER key in the new terminal? Sep 01 09:53:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison]] Sep 01 09:56:19 gcb77: some update in terminal is updating Sep 01 09:57:56 yoyo: I saw the backspace fix was checked in earlier, I just didn't see anything for enter Sep 01 09:58:11 I'll wait and do an update tomorow, see what happens Sep 01 09:59:42 gcb77: I don't use a terminal on moko. and ma by because of that I don't know any thing about some problems with terminal. ssh to moko Sep 01 10:01:09 dos someone try to use gpephone on moko gsmd? Sep 01 10:03:04 anyone knows how to setup distcc? Sep 01 10:10:25 Ghiottone i advice you not do do that Sep 01 10:11:44 roh, why? Sep 01 10:12:54 sorry I need to say it loud. I while ride today one of this toy :) http://www.tauruslogistics.co.nz/images/cat_d9/caterpillar_d9.jpg Sep 01 10:14:09 yoyo huge beast! Don't drive it over your Moko though :-) Sep 01 10:14:54 Ghiottone because it will propably break builds and be extremely hard to set up if it should interact with oe properly Sep 01 10:14:57 the best is that i even don't have a driving license :) Sep 01 10:15:07 cool Sep 01 10:20:38 roh, damn. any detailed reason or a webpage I could look at? I have a laptop on which OE must stay and an unused SMP desktop :( Sep 01 10:24:23 sia Sep 01 10:31:23 Ghiottone nope.. at least i cannot find any reasonable howto or description how to integrate distcc correctly into oe and how to make shure it works at all when crosscompiling Sep 01 10:35:46 roh: i think you want http://en.opensuse.org/Icecream Sep 01 10:37:28 Ghiottone: A silly solution - though only one processor - is to nfs (or other) mount the laptop disk on the server, and run the build chrooted into that. Sep 01 10:37:44 Can often be faster IME. Especially if you've got more RAM on the desktop Sep 01 10:37:49 SpeedEvil: compiling on nfs sucks. Sep 01 10:39:33 counter Sep 01 10:39:33 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter Got it, get yours from openmoko.com (and read topic) (1805;252) Sep 01 10:39:33 Depends on the delta between the compile performance of each Sep 01 10:44:47 * rwhitby has reliable GSM registration now :-) Sep 01 10:45:39 rwhitby: nice! :) Sep 01 10:46:01 wow, I just heard the openmoko audibly ring for the first time! Sep 01 10:46:25 some funny bell chiming sound Sep 01 10:48:39 rwhitby reliable gsm attach on 07.02? You fixed the flow things? Sep 01 10:50:03 joao: the patch I submitted fixed the gsm registration state machine, and I just restart gsmd in /etc/matchbox/session Sep 01 10:50:19 robster nice one.. still does not tell how to tape that to oe... bug ig Ghiottone is bored... i would be interrested in the results Sep 01 10:51:45 * rwhitby will continue getting the "little things" working, like timezone, ntpclient, etc ... Sep 01 10:51:57 rwhitby brilliant first the build files now this... Sep 01 10:53:46 it's a cunning plan that mickey|zzZZzz had - send a couple of broken free phones to an engineer, and he just has to fix them. Sep 01 10:54:03 :-) Sep 01 10:55:41 each new thing I get working, I will be adding the packages I used to the task-openmoko-feed.bb file (which causes them to be automatically built and released) and blog the procedure. Sep 01 10:56:11 baqck Sep 01 10:56:14 back* Sep 01 10:56:35 others can copy or link that into the wiki - I keep it all in my blog so I know where to find all the things I need to do when I reflash a new rootfs ... Sep 01 10:56:55 robster, nice. it seems that icecream is an evolution of distcc. but how does it get which compiler to use? Sep 01 11:04:47 one question. how can i get a summary about all bugs in bugzilla? Sep 01 11:05:13 where can i see all bugs Sep 01 11:05:22 resolved and bugs there are open Sep 01 11:05:25 I need to get the u-boot fw_env stuff working ... Sep 01 11:06:06 rxr: so is t2-project for neo able to make phone calls and stuff now while setting volumes? Sep 01 11:06:39 PBeck: I would have said http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/reports.cgi, but that doesn't seem to do what you want. Sep 01 11:07:16 rwhitby: yes you are right. I will read the last bugs and so on Sep 01 11:07:46 openmoko: 03abraxa * r2882 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/src/ (15 files): Sep 01 11:07:46 openmoko: Proper XSPF artist/title handling (simple libSpiff C binding didn't permit this) Sep 01 11:07:46 openmoko: Bugfixes: Prev track treshold (prevented skipping backwards), track duration no longer buggy, error dialogs no longer block the message loop Sep 01 11:07:46 openmoko: Enhancements: Titles for files without metadata, prev track treshold now configurable, better meta data handling by the UI Sep 01 11:07:50 PBeck: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/query.cgi Sep 01 11:08:13 196 outstanding Sep 01 11:08:50 rwhitby: ah thanks. Thats it :) Sep 01 11:09:56 oh sms function missing sounds good Sep 01 11:12:17 * rwhitby heads to bed Sep 01 11:17:30 rwhitby, before you go, do you know if it is possible to prefetch all the sources with mokomakefile? Sep 01 11:17:52 rwhitby, the actual command does not work as bitbake does not recursively check the dependencies :( Sep 01 11:24:09 ok too late :( pity Sep 01 11:24:45 Ghiottone bitbake -cfetchall openmoko-devel-image Sep 01 11:31:13 openmoko: 03abraxa * r2883 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/src/ (editor_page.c playlist.c playlist.h): Bugfix: Make the playlist editor handle meta data properly on creation Sep 01 11:35:00 roh, wow! it works! thank you :) Sep 01 11:50:52 morning Sep 01 11:52:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison]] Sep 01 12:25:27 RP: ping Sep 01 12:33:42 hey, icecream seems to work! :) Sep 01 12:47:53 * * OM Bug 784 has been created by mcl(AT)bitwise.org Sep 01 12:47:54 * * webkit build fails Sep 01 12:47:55 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=784 Sep 01 12:49:38 hello folks, very happy user I have got to try typing into a terminal. day1 (14 days since it came but Sep 01 12:49:51 too busy at work to even think about i Sep 01 12:50:33 So my first question is - I haven't found all the documentation, keep finding more, but Sep 01 12:50:46 so far cant type a control character - please? Sep 01 12:53:27 is it possible to place pre orders for gta02? Sep 01 12:55:28 sorry, no, not until the hardware is done and proves to work Sep 01 12:57:09 mickeyl: will it be possible to keep the planned release date? Sep 01 12:58:02 i really can't tell at this point as it depends on so many factors, most out of our control. Sep 01 13:00:54 mickeyl: but it's not impossible that it will ship to paying devs in Oct? Sep 01 13:02:12 nothing is impossible... except transmitting matter over the air Sep 01 13:02:16 but even that... Sep 01 13:03:22 mickeyl, afaik transmitting matter over the air is possible for a year or two now. Sep 01 13:03:39 there we go ;) Sep 01 13:12:58 mickeyl: pong Sep 01 13:13:22 hi RP. do you have any idea why meta-toolchain doesn't package up binaries? Sep 01 13:13:34 the libs are there, but there's no compiler Sep 01 13:13:46 mickeyl: Which meta-toolchain? The one in OE or the one in Poky? Sep 01 13:13:47 the diff between meta-toolchain and meta-sdk doesn't tell my why it should differ Sep 01 13:14:16 RP: oe.dev/packages/meta/meta-toolchain.bb versus oe.dev/packages/meta/meta-sdk.bb Sep 01 13:14:31 i think the first is based on poky Sep 01 13:14:40 but that's the one that doesn't package the compiler Sep 01 13:14:52 mickeyl: Poky has kind of gone off and done its own thing with meta-toolchain. Poky results in these binaries: http://pokylinux.org/autobuild/toolchain/ Sep 01 13:15:06 btw. mickeyl, imlib2 still doesn't work here :( that's what I get: http://rafb.net/p/dSyaWm54.html Sep 01 13:15:27 mickeyl: We started wit OE's meta-toolchain but its changed an awful lot. I don't really understand what the intention of meta-toolchain and meta-sdk in OE are which is why I haven't merged back Sep 01 13:15:50 hmm Sep 01 13:16:27 I did a clean, I cleared the work dir, nothing worked. Sep 01 13:16:34 ooh Sep 01 13:16:35 mickeyl: Poky's toolchain can be ASSUME_PROVIDED as well as standalone. I know OE can't do that Sep 01 13:16:37 image.h:68: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before 'time_t' Sep 01 13:17:03 RP: ok, so we should just merge everything back and then it works? Sep 01 13:17:12 i've seen this error before Sep 01 13:17:40 mickeyl: We should ask on the mailing list who is using meta-toolchain, what for and if they object to merging the poky changes Sep 01 13:17:46 mickeyl: I think its mainly florian Sep 01 13:18:32 right Sep 01 13:18:55 ooh, we're in #openmoko Sep 01 13:18:56 sorry Sep 01 13:19:29 mickeyl: I've just asked florian on the other channel, we should probably take this dicussion there Sep 01 13:19:39 ya Sep 01 13:19:43 * mickeyl confused with # Sep 01 13:20:41 thomasg_: give me some info about your system Sep 01 13:20:44 build system, that is Sep 01 13:21:09 core2quad, gentoo, kernel 2.6.22, amd64 Sep 01 13:21:56 host compiler? Sep 01 13:22:14 gcc-4.1.2 Sep 01 13:22:39 hmm, ok, let me try to find out where i know this error from Sep 01 13:22:46 k, thx Sep 01 13:28:06 thomasg_: try adding #include into image.h Sep 01 13:28:12 lets see if that builds then Sep 01 13:28:20 (it does here, so i can't test :D) Sep 01 13:29:28 aaargh Sep 01 13:29:31 wait Sep 01 13:29:36 k :) Sep 01 13:29:41 -I/usr/X11R6/include Sep 01 13:29:50 that's not good Sep 01 13:29:55 it picks up your local headers Sep 01 13:30:04 may be unrelated but who knows Sep 01 13:30:15 <- xorg-7.2 Sep 01 13:30:55 * mickeyl fixes imlib2 Sep 01 13:30:59 ~lart raster Sep 01 13:30:59 * apt gets a hotmal account and SPAMs raster Sep 01 13:31:02 quick question, I wanna implement some changes in the linux kernel, and I wonder what is the bitbake command that I have to use in order to build the initial kernel and having a source and build environment for modifying it Sep 01 13:31:25 daltona: bitbake virtual/kernel Sep 01 13:31:38 you can even use devshell to get an environment Sep 01 13:31:48 bitbake -c devshell virtual/kernel (IIRC) Sep 01 13:32:07 mickeyl, I'm wondering why it works for you, but not for me Sep 01 13:32:09 mickeyl: thanks, let me try Sep 01 13:32:41 thomasg_: quite simple. our buildhost has no X :D Sep 01 13:32:49 and my buildmachine has the latest X11 Sep 01 13:32:51 mickeyl, hehe Sep 01 13:33:21 what a shit :) Sep 01 13:34:11 tell me when the fix is in Sep 01 13:34:26 mickeyl: ok thanks that works, I just had to do a clean and build before as I configured rm_work Sep 01 13:35:04 not so silly to ignore me, I found it, (real keyboard.) Sep 01 13:35:30 I can now implement switching off the audio amplifier on suspend and power-off Sep 01 13:36:29 yesterday I've implemented a program in order to get the battery voltage / temp values and graph them Sep 01 13:37:18 id 271 in scap.linuxtogo.org for a screenshot Sep 01 13:37:51 I'll post the code somewhere when I'll be cleaner than it is :) Sep 01 13:38:08 daltona: post the code now. Sep 01 13:38:26 daltona: I really hate this new fad of people posting mockups and delivering the code "later, when it's cleaned up" Sep 01 13:38:50 code says much more then a mockup or screenshot and maybe someone else cleans it up. Sep 01 13:38:54 and if not, hey, it works. Sep 01 13:39:25 So let me create a project on the projects.openmoko.org in order to host it. Sep 01 13:39:44 or can it be put in the wiki as tar.gz ? Sep 01 13:39:47 good idea. Sep 01 13:52:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Manually_using_GSM]] Sep 01 13:57:43 *sigh*, flakey connection Sep 01 13:57:48 mickeyl> thomasg_: i patched imlib2 to not using local includes. mtpull and rebuild imlib2 to see whether this fixes it for ya Sep 01 14:00:26 in one minute we will know if it works :) Sep 01 14:01:32 good Sep 01 14:04:10 NOTE: package imlib2-1.4.0.002: completed Sep 01 14:04:13 THANKS!!! :) Sep 01 14:04:56 :) Sep 01 14:05:04 at your service :) Sep 01 14:05:20 please build edje-viewer and lets see whether the whole EFL stack builds for ya now Sep 01 14:05:25 if not i'll need to patch out some more stuff Sep 01 14:05:27 on the way :) Sep 01 14:05:58 I'm building my openmoko-e-image Sep 01 14:06:11 cool Sep 01 14:06:51 as it relies on e17 itself all efl should be in Sep 01 14:07:59 -j5 on a quadcore performs really good :) Sep 01 14:08:35 nice Sep 01 14:09:07 can't await running e17 on the neo Sep 01 14:09:19 * mickeyl pondering whether to buy a 4 core MacPro or a 2 core Sep 01 14:09:28 how's power consumption for your 4 core? Sep 01 14:10:00 haven't checked it, as I don't have the needed analyzer Sep 01 14:10:04 and likewise, temperature? Sep 01 14:10:25 35 deg. C in idle (semi-passive cooled), 60 deg. C after 5 hours full power Sep 01 14:11:38 it's a small-form-factor case and the cpu is only ventilated by the PSU, so it could be much better in a normal midi tower like the mac pro Sep 01 14:11:41 not bad Sep 01 14:11:45 ya Sep 01 14:12:04 but I can't complain, 60 deg. C for semi-passive is quite good Sep 01 14:12:53 but it was a fight to get all components into that tiny tower :) Sep 01 14:13:39 4291 of 4810 Sep 01 14:22:04 mickeyl, esmart failed Sep 01 14:22:53 mickeyl: Don't know of you saw my note earlier but thanks for adding pyserial. Sep 01 14:22:55 tbc: it segfaults Sep 01 14:22:58 hadara: np Sep 01 14:23:32 http://rafb.net/p/fismPh29.html Sep 01 14:33:01 mickeyl, tell me when esmart is fixed :P Sep 01 14:33:19 probably not today, i really want to get my GTA02v1 going now Sep 01 14:35:20 Good luck! Sep 01 14:40:20 mmh Sep 01 14:40:24 *sigh* Sep 01 14:40:40 i need the debug board to flash this thing... which i have left in the hotel Sep 01 14:40:44 * mickeyl looks at esmart instead Sep 01 14:44:58 good choise :) Sep 01 14:48:01 is webkit-gtk broken again? Sep 01 14:48:37 it was tonight Sep 01 14:49:42 hey kristian-m Sep 01 14:49:59 so tomorrow it will get update svn snapshot will it? Sep 01 14:51:02 rofl @ mickey :) Sep 01 14:51:06 thomasg: pastebin for your failure? Sep 01 14:51:27 http://rafb.net/p/fismPh29.html Sep 01 14:52:14 eeeks Sep 01 14:52:21 edje_cc segfaulting for ya Sep 01 14:52:23 that's not good Sep 01 14:52:49 i'm afraid you need to debug that Sep 01 14:52:56 call it manually under gdb and give us a traceback Sep 01 14:52:57 I tried a strace :) Sep 01 14:53:05 does that show anything? Sep 01 14:53:07 but the output was really useless Sep 01 14:54:09 as I have edje_cc on my host system, too - maybe it's again a error like that before and it uses the edje_cc or some libs from my system? Sep 01 14:54:26 edje_cc definitely uses libs from your system Sep 01 14:54:29 since it's a native program Sep 01 14:54:36 ah, ok Sep 01 14:54:38 do you have BUILD_ARCH=i686 in your local.conf ? Sep 01 14:54:42 no Sep 01 14:54:49 i found that to be necessary Sep 01 14:54:56 i even have a uname sed'fix on the buildhost Sep 01 14:55:12 x86_64 behaves oddly in some respect :/ Sep 01 14:55:26 unfortunately changing BUILD_ARCH needs a full rebuild Sep 01 14:55:31 but it's worth a try Sep 01 14:55:44 ok, I'll try Sep 01 14:56:02 furtunately I have the necessary power now :) Sep 01 14:56:46 right :) Sep 01 14:57:51 but I'll lower the parallel builds on 3, so I should have one core free for other things Sep 01 14:59:00 :) Sep 01 14:59:06 how can I do a full rebuild? Sep 01 14:59:34 rm -rf tmp Sep 01 14:59:44 bitbake edje-viewer Sep 01 14:59:52 k Sep 01 15:00:02 edje-viewer sucks in almost everything EFL Sep 01 15:00:11 if that compiles, most other EFL based stuff should do as well Sep 01 15:00:35 and isn't it a problem to use i686 for OE as it uses some native compilers and so on which are amd64? Sep 01 15:02:02 no Sep 01 15:02:23 to the contrary, i found some native packages just get compiled wrongly if they detect amd64 Sep 01 15:02:29 to make sure this doesn't happen i use: Sep 01 15:02:51 oe@mahavidya:~$ cat /bin/uname Sep 01 15:02:51 #!/bin/sh Sep 01 15:02:51 /bin/uname.orig $*|sed -e s,x86_64,i686,|sed -e s,-amd64,, Sep 01 15:03:14 and i also remove uname out of tmp/staging/i686*/bin after coreutils-native gets built Sep 01 15:03:31 this is the only way i can fully compile openmoko-devel-image on our x86_64 buildmachine Sep 01 15:03:39 if not it breaks in certain ways Sep 01 15:04:09 I built the openmoko-devel-image several times on my amd64 machines Sep 01 15:04:11 i don't like these hacks, but i didn't have time to look after that Sep 01 15:04:28 well, then you might want to really look into why edje_cc SIGSEGVs then :) Sep 01 15:04:38 as in running it from gdb Sep 01 15:04:42 nevertheless I had to do some workarounds from time to time Sep 01 15:08:12 going. see you Sep 01 15:12:38 mickey|mdd, with i686 gmp-native failes Sep 01 15:12:54 hmm, bummer Sep 01 15:12:59 it complains that it can't find a compiler Sep 01 15:13:07 odd Sep 01 15:13:21 how does your local.conf look like? Sep 01 15:13:33 this is a 64bit userland right? Sep 01 15:13:43 http://rafb.net/p/GPiJKu45.html Sep 01 15:13:52 yes, all amd64 (x86_64) Sep 01 15:15:53 * * OM Bug 785 has been created by kristian(AT)mput.de Sep 01 15:15:54 * * init.d/pulseaudio uses killall pulseaudio Sep 01 15:15:55 hmm, odd, looks good Sep 01 15:15:55 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=785 Sep 01 15:15:59 | checking compiler gcc -isystem/home/thomasg/OE/tmp/staging/i686-linux/include -Os has sizeof(long)==4... no Sep 01 15:16:02 thats the problem Sep 01 15:16:14 so definately a amd64 problem I guess Sep 01 15:16:18 yea Sep 01 15:16:22 long is 8 bytes on amd64, right? Sep 01 15:16:27 i wonder why it works on our buildmachine though Sep 01 15:17:26 oe@mahavidya:/space/fic/openmoko-oe.dev/fic-gta01$ /bin/uname.orig -a Sep 01 15:17:26 Linux mahavidya.openmoko.org 2.6.18-4-amd64 #1 SMP Fri May 4 00:37:33 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux Sep 01 15:19:17 % uname -a Sep 01 15:19:17 Linux silverstone 2.6.22-gentoo-r5-tg #6 SMP PREEMPT Sat Sep 1 14:19:22 CEST 2007 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux Sep 01 15:30:18 mickey|mdd, what gcc-versions does your buildmachine have? Sep 01 15:31:11 it seems that some of the *-native packages expect a i686-gcc-profile instead of the x86_64 default profile Sep 01 15:32:03 hm, maybe the problem is, that my gcc is built w/o multilib support (will give it a try) Sep 01 15:33:29 sounds reasonable Sep 01 15:34:51 gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21) Sep 01 15:35:31 hint: don't forget the multilib useflag for gcc on gentoo systems :) Sep 01 15:35:45 openmoko: 03laforge * r2884 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (8 files): Sep 01 15:35:45 openmoko: split serial_terminal patch into Sep 01 15:35:45 openmoko: * independent multi-serial support (s3c24xx_multi_serial.patch) Sep 01 15:35:45 openmoko: * s3c2440 / s3c2442 related bits Sep 01 15:35:45 openmoko: * enable multi-serial for gta01 and gta02 config Sep 01 15:40:38 Then there are schemes designed to be awkward. Sep 01 15:40:39 oops Sep 01 15:47:53 is there any word about the gsmd stability issues? Sep 01 15:49:16 gamin: I personaly have some ideas, but I'm waiting for the LaFOrge comments on them before working on that. Sep 01 15:51:05 daltona: so actually the phone should become kind of usable soonish? Sep 01 15:52:20 daltona: btw, are your comments somewhere in the bugzilla? Sep 01 15:52:25 gamin: I don't know... for now I've been able to make mine somehow more usable, but it's not anyhow near to perfect. Sep 01 15:53:01 daltona: is it gsmd or kernel issue? Sep 01 15:53:03 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[MFAQ/it]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Bucharest]] [[Current_events]] Sep 01 15:53:05 gamin: Yes they are, and I've also posted to the gsmd-devel list in order to get Sep 01 15:53:22 gamin: It is gsmd issues Sep 01 15:58:32 daltona: found & read your post on the list Sep 01 16:05:52 fine, you have some comments ? Sep 01 16:21:54 * * OM Bug 786 has been created by kristian(AT)mput.de Sep 01 16:21:55 * * mbobox defines white text on white background for gtkcomboboxentries Sep 01 16:21:56 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=786 Sep 01 16:35:53 * * OM Bug 787 has been created by olaf(AT)uni-paderborn.de Sep 01 16:35:54 * * libmokojournal can't be updatet Sep 01 16:35:55 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=787 Sep 01 16:42:02 mickey|zzZZzz, still here or really sleeping? :) Sep 01 16:57:23 somebody an idea concerning this: (i686 openembedded on amd64-system): checking compiler gcc -isystem/home/thomasg/OE/tmp/staging/i686-linux/include -Os has sizeof(long)==4... no Sep 01 17:08:41 anyone else with libxosd issues (missing downloads) Sep 01 17:09:00 * ScaredyCat sends oe > /dev/null Sep 01 17:09:22 i just have issues with webkit... Sep 01 17:10:14 yeah, webkit sucks too... it seems to depend on qt + the entire universe Sep 01 17:10:48 hehe yes :) Sep 01 17:10:58 someone put the qt requirement quite well.. Sep 01 17:11:12 qt is build because we need qmake... Sep 01 17:11:17 omg Sep 01 17:11:18 the comment was: Sep 01 17:11:21 borg_ just remove the feedreader from your build - that should remove the dependency for webkit Sep 01 17:11:30 that's like building a new house because you need a door Sep 01 17:11:31 i thougt it uses QString or something like that Sep 01 17:11:51 kristian-m: ok, will try this Sep 01 17:12:57 ScaredyCat: feel free to use autotools for webkit and agree to maintain it for the next decade Sep 01 17:13:12 lol , I think most people are starting to remove feedreader now... they got fed up.. Sep 01 17:13:44 zecke: it's easier to dump the app I don't use Sep 01 17:15:09 did anything exciting happen in the last 24 hours - I only saw some updates to the mediaplayer Sep 01 17:15:20 * kristian-m will add feedreader again, later ;-) Sep 01 17:16:15 in theory you shouldn;t get a problem with webkit.. it should all just download what is needed and build ... Sep 01 17:17:01 but then people change the .bb files (we are using the dev version so it's not their fault - although it does highlight the stupidness that abounds) Sep 01 17:17:27 .. but that's "in theory" Sep 01 17:20:02 openmoko: 03laforge * r2885 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (5 files): Sep 01 17:20:02 openmoko: * change order of patches (serial_terminal is applied earlier) Sep 01 17:20:02 openmoko: * move gta01/gta02 config.h changes into the gta01/gta02 patches Sep 01 17:20:02 openmoko: * finish implementation of terminal / gsm passthrough for GTA01 Sep 01 17:20:52 ScaredyCat, webkit depends on qt? there must be something wrong. apple forked khtml to throw the qt-dependencies out Sep 01 17:23:31 openmoko: 03laforge * r2886 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-s3c24xx_multi_serial.patch: * make QT2410 and other S3C24xx boards without SERIAL_MULTI compile again Sep 01 17:27:04 openmoko: 03laforge * r2887 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-s3c24xx_multi_serial.patch: * fix compilation issue on !defined(CONFIG_SERIAL_MULTI) Sep 01 17:34:12 ping rwhitby Sep 01 17:35:34 amd64/x86_64/64-bit users here? Sep 01 17:40:30 is there a way to make openmoko-devel-image with compiling qemu? Sep 01 17:41:40 erm, openmoko-devel-image doesnt build qemu here Sep 01 17:43:57 It's dying when on the check for gcc 3.x for qemu Sep 01 17:44:25 it doesn't do that check here, too Sep 01 17:44:41 I only have gcc-4, and I can build openmoko-devel-image without a problem Sep 01 17:44:43 It's an x86_64 box Sep 01 17:45:40 <- too Sep 01 17:46:14 thomasg: are you on amd64 as well? Sep 01 17:46:21 yes, I am Sep 01 17:46:38 amd64 with gcc-4 only and without qemu Sep 01 17:46:46 erm - wait a moment Sep 01 17:46:50 do you use the mokomakefile? Sep 01 17:46:55 I'm compiling from scratch, and it dies on the gcc 3.x check Sep 01 17:47:06 yes using mokomake Sep 01 17:47:11 ok, that's the difference :) Sep 01 17:47:29 I'm using openembedded directly w/o mokomakefile Sep 01 17:47:37 oh Sep 01 17:48:13 the error says I can "--disable-gcc-check" Sep 01 17:48:19 where would that go? Sep 01 17:48:58 DukeOfURL: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#QEMU Sep 01 17:48:58 in the qemo configure file. but this wouln'd helpful I think, because qemu won't comile on gcc4 even without that check Sep 01 17:53:43 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Bootloader]] Sep 01 18:15:28 Kero: build/tmp/deploy/something/images/something Sep 01 18:15:49 oops confused the scrollback with the end of the buffer Sep 01 18:16:28 :) Sep 01 18:21:05 owdy Sep 01 18:26:15 SpeedEvil: did you see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/buglog/2007-September/004948.html ? Sep 01 18:31:20 hello all! Sep 01 18:31:53 I'm looking for help with gprs connection, anybody can help me? Sep 01 18:31:53 Commands: counter (see estimated time until P1), counter_msg (set message for counter), faq (gives this link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ ) Sep 01 18:32:31 counter Sep 01 18:32:31 http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter Got it, get yours from openmoko.com (and read topic) (1806;252) Sep 01 18:34:31 halo, people. Please help me with gprs. I'm having trouble during connection. All I did was according to WIKI Sep 01 18:36:45 zdanek: I'm not sure gprs is working all that good already. Sep 01 18:37:00 ate1 Sep 01 18:37:01 OK Sep 01 18:37:01 Serial connection established. Sep 01 18:37:01 using channel 12 Sep 01 18:37:01 Using interface ppp0 Sep 01 18:37:01 Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttySAC0 Sep 01 18:37:02 sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 ] Sep 01 18:37:04 zdanek: I've heard some people have got it working for a while, but I haven't yet Sep 01 18:37:14 and last line repeats a few times Sep 01 18:37:25 i have 2007.2 build Sep 01 18:37:32 with latest kernel Sep 01 18:37:44 witch has gsm stuff improved Sep 01 18:37:56 and some calling functions sometimes work Sep 01 18:38:03 (script) planet: Harald "LaF0rge" Welte: Two days of intense u-boot hacking http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/09/01#20070901-uboot_passthrough Sep 01 18:38:06 * CM nods. Sep 01 18:38:27 last line is Sep 01 18:38:30 LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests Sep 01 18:38:56 anybody did some gprs connections? Sep 01 18:39:43 I found some options for pppd like asyncmap directive and magic Sep 01 18:40:03 so I can provide different values but I don't know if it matters Sep 01 18:40:17 zdanek: If you read that blogpost by LaF0rge, it seems like he's just started to work more intensly at it :) Sep 01 18:40:20 but I guess nobody here has any idea about gprs Sep 01 18:40:27 aha Sep 01 18:42:26 and my another question is there possibility to connect neo to net throught windows xp Sep 01 18:42:41 I mean, how enable routing/nat in windows Sep 01 18:42:51 between it's connection and usb connection to neo Sep 01 18:44:01 zdanek: I haven't heard anyone who managed that yet, but if you figure it out, please add it to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Sep 01 18:44:39 okay Sep 01 18:44:59 I didn't try windows bluetooth connection Sep 01 18:45:21 maybe it's possible there since some BT software can give access to net for wireless devices Sep 01 18:45:35 did somebody try this? Sep 01 18:50:07 and last question for you, what about gllin for new 2007.2 build Sep 01 18:50:15 some say that it doesn't work Sep 01 18:50:35 because it's a new executables format implemented in 2007.2 Sep 01 18:50:48 now how to access GPS position Sep 01 19:46:05 mickey|zzZZzz, hmmm I'm back struggling with python packages....something is wrong with easy_install or setuptools, eggs for i686 is being installed in site-packages...that can't be correct, right? Sep 01 19:52:43 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Warsaw]] Sep 01 20:02:34 it's fpga all over again on the community list! Sep 01 20:03:09 * Stephmw flogs the dead horse Sep 01 20:05:26 mjr: I stopped looking at that list after device-owners started... Sep 01 20:14:44 cesarb: thx! just returned from a day away, so your response (about 2 hours ago) is in time :D Sep 01 20:17:16 Kero: :D Sep 01 20:37:35 mm, kernel, jffs2 image and dfu-util. nice. can test in emulator first and only then upload to Neo. Sep 01 20:38:17 looks like I have a setup now to start doing real work. Sep 01 20:39:03 * Kero is happy :) Sep 01 20:39:18 kero gratz Sep 01 20:41:02 Are there finally some useful jffs2 utils out there? Sep 01 20:41:53 Elrond: useful like what? Sep 01 20:44:01 ha, first attempt did the old openmoko image in the emulator. second attempt has the correct, fresh, image. Sep 01 20:45:00 Kero - like fsck, or like extracting into normal fs. Sep 01 20:45:09 fsck is built into the kernel Sep 01 20:45:42 never heard of a tool to extract contents Sep 01 20:48:54 can't find any tools on my HD. Sep 01 20:49:17 tho I am reasonably sure I should have some jffs2 tools from handhelds... Sep 01 20:49:47 Elrond: is dmwm still working on jffs2? Sep 01 20:50:07 I don't know. Sep 01 20:50:15 I lately saw some fixes for jffs2 in the kernel. Sep 01 20:50:28 I have some hopes for logfs. Sep 01 20:52:22 moko/build/tmp/work/i686-linux/mtd-utils-native-1.0.0+git-r5/git/ Sep 01 20:52:38 has stuff resembling what I remember from my iPAQ time Sep 01 20:55:29 Elrond: that one was for you, the keyword being mtd-utils, which include some jffs2 stuff Sep 01 20:55:50 Yeah, just checking. Sep 01 20:56:34 ok Sep 01 20:58:10 There is a jffs2dump in there... don't know yet, what it's doing. Sep 01 21:02:16 wouldn't know what it can do these days :) think I used it once to peak how the FS was laid out, not what the contents were. Sep 01 21:02:57 Yeah, it's an fs debug-tool. Sep 01 21:03:09 Just tried it on a super-simple image. Sep 01 21:03:43 * Kero recalls using a simple image, too. Sep 01 21:04:21 remember know that I used it to see if I could mess with various block sizes, since I wanted a *large* jffs2 image. Sep 01 21:05:18 So the only way to mess around with jffs2 is to have mtd-emulation on my desktop? Sep 01 21:05:53 been there, done that :) Sep 01 21:06:29 Does mtd emulation work at least? Sep 01 21:06:39 oh yes. Sep 01 21:06:57 you need to pass a bunch of parameters to set up the devices w/ modprobe Sep 01 21:07:07 that's fixed after that Sep 01 21:07:24 Huh, hmm. Sep 01 21:07:29 Like eraseblocksize, etc? Sep 01 21:07:36 yup Sep 01 21:08:08 it's been a while. not sure if I have the proper list, still Sep 01 21:08:41 That's what I like about logfs: You can do a simple "mount -o loop" on an image, AFAIK. (never tried logfs. Just talked with the developer) Sep 01 21:10:34 mtd is rather funny, in that sense Sep 01 21:11:06 no block device, iirc Sep 01 21:12:49 wow that's a lot of people Sep 01 21:13:49 Elrond: maybe this helps http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image Sep 01 21:13:49 Kero - Yeah, I know most of that. I still find it stupid, that jffs2 can't be used on a normal blockdevice. Sep 01 21:14:09 Elrond: found the options I used (and a load of comments) for in-kernel stuff; not as modules (subtly different options, I recall) Sep 01 21:14:51 Mounting the JFFS2 image on a loop back (MTD RAM) device Sep 01 21:15:04 anyone in here familiar with developing for mobile phones other than the openmoko platform? Sep 01 21:15:05 dobey: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Sep 01 21:15:06 Yeah, just found it. ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image ) Sep 01 21:15:28 cool Sep 01 21:15:30 i don't think the faq answers my question :) Sep 01 21:15:30 dobey - Probably some. But probably also under NDA ;o) Sep 01 21:16:10 Elrond: even potentially very vague answers for what i want to ask, would probably be better than what google is giving me :) Sep 01 21:17:22 Elrond: i'm wondering about the possibilities for developing software to provide additional bluetooth profile support, or extending the serial port profile, on various phones Sep 01 21:17:50 Elrond: maybe its useful, maybe not: http://chmeee.dyndns.org/om/blkmtd.jffs2.howto.txt Sep 01 21:18:48 Kero - :) Sep 01 21:19:04 dobey - I really have no idea. :) Sep 01 21:20:09 hrmm Sep 01 21:22:33 Elrond: the reason jffs2 cannot be used on a normal block device is probably because it uses OOB data Sep 01 21:22:57 * Kero is going to listen to some music. tomorrow will be openmoko hacking day :) Sep 01 21:23:34 cesarb - Huh, yeah. :-| Sep 01 21:23:52 cesarb - I really hope logfs gets stable. :) Sep 01 21:53:03 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:BuiltInScriptingLanguage]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Warsaw]] [[User_talk:Zdanek]] [[User:Zdanek]] Sep 01 22:03:23 root@fic-gta02:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo Sep 01 22:03:23 Processor : ARM920T rev 0 (v4l) Sep 01 22:03:23 BogoMIPS : 199.06 Sep 01 22:05:13 mickey|mdd: Clocked it up? Sep 01 22:05:30 Mine says BogoMIPS : 132.71 Sep 01 22:05:36 no (watch the hostname) Sep 01 22:05:43 Ahhh Sep 01 22:05:45 :D Sep 01 22:05:47 ;) Sep 01 22:08:58 mickey|mdd: the cool thing with gta02 is that its development will be much faster, since it can already use almost all of what's been done for gta01 Sep 01 22:09:14 mickey|mdd: for instance, you can have a gsmd which will crash in the exact same way Sep 01 22:09:25 yeah. basically it's "just" uboot and kernel work Sep 01 22:09:40 (which is a lot on its own, but still you have a point) Sep 01 22:09:45 cesarb: I'm just really hoping that my P1 will be possible to use as a gps at least Sep 01 22:10:10 mickey|mdd: even the uboot and kernel work can use a lot of things already done on gta01 Sep 01 22:10:29 sure thing Sep 01 22:10:30 mickey|mdd: it's mostly the hardware setup parts which will be different Sep 01 22:11:16 * cesarb from the sidelines can guess that, now that it's booting, it might be able to get feature parity with gta01 in about a month Sep 01 22:11:41 lol Sep 01 22:11:45 (not that feature parity with something which needs editing files on /etc/init.d to correctly recognize the modem is that great of a thing, but...) Sep 01 22:12:27 cesarb: It's not so difficult to get feature parity with a gps phone that doesn't show gps coordinates or call properly.. :-P Sep 01 22:12:33 * ScaredyCat achieves parity with a meat pie Sep 01 22:12:36 Hehe Sep 01 22:13:45 rm_work is only runing at the end now, isn't it... Sep 01 22:14:38 * CM restarts the makefile from scratch once again Sep 01 22:15:04 seriously, something in the build just eats disk space.. Sep 01 22:15:30 prolly sells it on.. Sep 01 22:15:47 ScaredyCat: isn't the cute "+svn20071332" thing which eats several hundred extra megabytes daily? Sep 01 22:16:12 might be... sounds about right.. Sep 01 22:16:38 * cesarb thinks bitbake needs an "autoclean" mode to purge these things from sources, work and deploy, badly Sep 01 22:16:56 but then, I don;t really understand why some stuff gets built at all... Sep 01 22:17:10 yes, just clearing down would help.. Sep 01 22:17:15 ScaredyCat: like pciutils, acpid, and others? ;-) Sep 01 22:17:21 but then you have to wait a day Sep 01 22:17:43 cesarb: yes... there's loads of stuff that just seems, well, irrelavant... Sep 01 22:18:52 for example... Sep 01 22:19:19 wpa_supplicant... that doesn't even make it to the image... so why is it built Sep 01 22:20:09 ScaredyCat: clearly some sneaky openmoko developer slipped a dependency on it somewhere to make it sure it would compile when it's time for gta02 ;-) Sep 01 22:20:43 I doubt it, I think somone started with a gpe image or whatever and renamed it... Sep 01 22:20:52 ie they didn't pick and choose... Sep 01 22:21:23 besides, we need to be able to build for an 01 and an 02 as separate devices.. Sep 01 22:21:59 Just reading on the mailing lists, it looks like the openmoko devs will have access to the SMedia docs? Sep 01 22:23:37 what I'd like to do is something like thinstation does, cesarb.. Sep 01 22:24:12 allow people to pick packages etc and have the image built, which they just download Sep 01 22:28:12 ScaredyCat: well, what _I_ would like is to pick packages on something like "make menuconfig", and have it downloaded and built, _without_ the build breaking due to blindly following upstream svn or things like that Sep 01 22:28:45 .. now you're just being silly :P Sep 01 22:29:08 why would you want a stable build environment? Sep 01 22:29:29 things get broken deliberately to make it more exciting ;) Sep 01 22:29:43 ScaredyCat: It is stable at least once a week.. ;) Sep 01 22:30:11 "you tapped the screen, please rebuild" ? Sep 01 22:30:17 works for me Sep 01 22:30:23 isn;t that microsoft territory? Sep 01 22:30:54 "If you can read this, you need to refetch, and rebuild" Sep 01 22:31:34 and if you can't ... you need to refetch and rebuild to fix it Sep 01 22:31:46 bwahaha Sep 01 22:32:26 ScaredyCat: I want a stable development environment so I can, like, develop Sep 01 22:32:35 ScaredyCat: instead of fighting bashisms and random breakage Sep 01 22:32:48 for (;;) { fetch(); rebuild() } Sep 01 22:32:59 oo... error Sep 01 22:33:02 for (;;) { fetch(); rebuild(); } Sep 01 22:33:14 you forgot "sleep 360000000" Sep 01 22:33:28 to give him time to get _some_ dev done, before it gets wiped Sep 01 22:33:43 cesarb: sorry, just messing about - I understand your point Sep 01 22:33:47 yeah, and dd if=/dev/zero of=somefile count=3994304932049204 Sep 01 22:33:53 ScaredyCat: if I want to change the kernel, I will accept breakage on the kernel (and a few specific packages it might depend on); if I want to change something in userspace, i shouldn't have to fight an ever changing kernel Sep 01 22:34:20 ScaredyCat: that's why packages need stabilization points Sep 01 22:34:43 I know cesarb... I agree.. I'm just making light of it because it would drive me insane if I didn;t Sep 01 22:34:44 I'm just waiting for the phone :P But I bet FIC will screw me over again Sep 01 22:34:45 * cesarb uses a "distro kernel" when not toying with the kernel Sep 01 22:35:10 * cesarb changed to Ubuntu precisely because it "just works" and thus frees me to do my own development Sep 01 22:35:12 ScaredyCat: lol Sep 01 22:35:28 Fatal: that's just fatalism Sep 01 22:35:48 mortal combat...... fight .. Sep 01 22:35:56 fatality... :( Sep 01 22:36:10 I've run out of disk space again :/ Sep 01 22:36:11 Stephmw: well, they did say "we reserved your units" then a week later "we're sorry we ignored you, oh, and we sold the phones, want to wait two more weeks?" Sep 01 22:36:34 So I do not have any high hopes for ever seeing the phones Sep 01 22:36:45 Fatal: I know, I know - I'm gonna sit tight and wait for the units later in the year Sep 01 22:36:48 you might get 02's :) Sep 01 22:37:16 Fatal: I'll sell you mine for 5400 gbp Sep 01 22:37:26 It's just depressing to place the order the first day and still not have them shipped :P Sep 01 22:37:33 ScaredyCat: ha :) Sep 01 22:37:47 ScaredyCat: Buy a new disk, that's what I did ;) Sep 01 22:38:09 i build on my laptop... Sep 01 22:38:18 ... so I can build anywhere :) Sep 01 22:38:30 ... free your phone, fill your disk Sep 01 22:38:33 Ahh.. Then you need to buy a build server! :D Sep 01 22:38:39 I have one.. Sep 01 22:38:52 it's too farking noisey and the wife complains Sep 01 22:39:02 sounds like a jet taking off Sep 01 22:39:06 don't stick it in the bedroom then... Sep 01 22:39:22 Or change fans Sep 01 22:39:25 hey... it's my hardware, I'll sleep with it if i want! Sep 01 22:39:28 Hehe Sep 01 22:39:31 ScaredyCat++ Sep 01 22:39:59 it's the fan management software, drivers don;t seem to work :( Sep 01 22:41:16 ScaredyCat: you could try something I saw some guy do at a congress... Sep 01 22:41:34 there is an upside, during the winter it can heat the house :) Sep 01 22:41:34 ScaredyCat: run windows, install only vmware on it, and do everything on a linux vm ;-) Sep 01 22:41:36 * cesarb ducks Sep 01 22:41:47 * ScaredyCat slaps cesarb Sep 01 22:42:27 cesarb: Sounds almost like rwhitby to me.. :P Sep 01 22:42:33 roflmao Sep 01 22:42:38 * CM hides from rwhitby Sep 01 22:42:58 (seriously, it was quite fun... when windows did its annoying bootup sound, everyone gave dirty looks at him (the congress was FISL), but when he explained it was because of drivers, showed his clean desktop, and booted into the linux vm, everyone relaxed) Sep 01 22:43:38 he should have had the windows sound in the vm too :) Sep 01 22:44:48 it doesn't help your vm if the underlying os crashes Sep 01 22:45:11 uh oh Sep 01 22:45:26 we just heard a crackling sound and a smell from the gta02 PCB Sep 01 22:45:35 there it goes :D Sep 01 22:46:05 mickey|mdd: ouch Sep 01 22:46:25 mickey|mdd: forgot to put on the battery before plugging the usb cable? ;-) Sep 01 22:46:38 no, just left it computing for a while Sep 01 22:46:42 even idle mode in uboot Sep 01 22:46:46 Ouch.. Sep 01 22:46:54 (this item is on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:CesarB/Things_not_to_do_with_your_Neo ) Sep 01 22:47:31 cat 9999999 >/sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-0/0-0008/gta02-cracklything/crackle_level Sep 01 22:48:38 jo, October, huh? ;] Sep 01 22:49:01 cesarb: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Robustness Sep 01 22:49:48 *sigh* Sep 01 22:49:59 *shrug* guess i need to request a gta02v2 then Sep 01 22:50:34 mickey|mdd: Sucks. Any clue what broke it? Sep 01 22:50:50 CM: nothing. it was sitting in uboot and no one touched it for a while Sep 01 22:50:56 :( Sep 01 22:51:40 * CM hugs his GTA01 tight, patting the back Sep 01 22:53:15 hmm Sep 01 22:53:20 ok, so it's not completely dead Sep 01 22:53:22 yet ;) Sep 01 22:53:26 just smells awful Sep 01 22:53:26 keep trying! Sep 01 22:53:49 Perhaps the new neo could be used as a "Explosive Instrumentation" prop :D (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ExplosiveInstrumentation) Sep 01 22:53:53 burnt pcb smell, capacitor spell or burnt IC smell? Sep 01 22:53:58 *smell Sep 01 22:54:33 mickey|mdd: does this mean it's not safe to keep a gta02 in your pocket? Sep 01 22:54:52 Vegar: depends on whether you want kids or not I guess Sep 01 22:54:54 hehe Sep 01 22:55:03 depends on whether you want to attract women or not Sep 01 22:55:11 "wow, it burns" ;) Sep 01 22:55:16 errrm Sep 01 22:55:20 "but can you smell it?" :) Sep 01 22:55:27 hehe Sep 01 22:55:49 "I promise I didn't fart, it's just my phone burning a bit" Sep 01 22:55:56 did you say attract or repel? Sep 01 22:56:29 I suppose you could say that i'll burn a hole in your pocket... litterally Sep 01 22:57:06 ScaredyCat: I don't need a gta02 for that, my girlfriend is good enough at that.. ;) Sep 01 22:57:29 :) Sep 01 22:58:45 hahah Sep 01 22:58:46 rigt Sep 01 22:58:57 "You think your iPhone's so hot, I've got something to show you!" Sep 01 22:59:09 lol Sep 01 22:59:19 "and it burns burns burns...." Sep 01 22:59:47 the oval of fire? Sep 01 23:00:19 Saw a quote in the newspaper from Ashton Kutcher who's with Demi Moore: "Men are a little bit more important than handbags but less important than shoes. At any rate, we are merely accessories." Sep 01 23:01:18 mickey|mdd: Seriously though, what did burn? Still working partly or so? Sep 01 23:01:19 you're lucky if you're more important than a handbag ;) Sep 01 23:01:24 CM: best not fart if you've got something burning in your pocket... you could easily flame someone behind you Sep 01 23:01:27 ScaredyCat: I'm not married to her yet Sep 01 23:01:41 CM: i have no idea. i can't seem to find any difference. it still works (partly) Sep 01 23:01:54 but turns itself off every couple of minutes Sep 01 23:01:59 :-/ Sep 01 23:02:32 mickey|mdd: that's a feature, WinMobile phones do that too Sep 01 23:02:36 mickey|mdd: if it turns itself off, it might be a power supply component... Sep 01 23:03:16 mickey|mdd: there's also a great utility for WinMobile phones... reboots them once a day to avoid the memory becoming too fragmented... Sep 01 23:03:34 mickey|mdd: but the only way to know is to turn the phone over to the hardware guys Sep 01 23:03:37 that's the OS Stephmw :) Sep 01 23:03:43 Stephmw: really? Sep 01 23:04:03 cesarb: yup, saw it on allaboutsymbian a few months back Sep 01 23:04:12 Stephmw: wtf Sep 01 23:04:38 cesarb: the author thought... hell, I'd rather it rebooted once a day overnight, rather than during a call every 3 days Sep 01 23:05:34 the p910i does that too.. without 3rd party apps the only way to release memory, and kill apps is to reboot it Sep 01 23:05:37 Stephmw: ...and then it reboots when it shouldn't, and you lose your work... Sep 01 23:05:54 Stephmw: (as every single new windows machine is fond of doing) Sep 01 23:05:55 ... and it does that itself Sep 01 23:06:08 cesarb: if you're still working on it at 4am, you have bigger problems :) Sep 01 23:06:11 but that's uiq Sep 01 23:06:15 aye Sep 01 23:06:30 Stephmw: the most annoying behaviour on windows: you go to lunch to come back to an empty desktop Sep 01 23:07:07 what? someone steals your pc ? :P Sep 01 23:07:08 Stephmw: because it somehow decided you wanted it to reboot to apply this week's patches, and you didn't notice the login dialog is NOT the screensaver lock dialog Sep 01 23:07:32 (yes, it applies the patches on LUNCH time. true madness.) Sep 01 23:08:13 * Stephmw nods Sep 01 23:08:58 my old place used Tivoli... if your desktop is unlocked, fine, you get a dialog and ~4hrs timeout before it patches... if you've locked, oh dear Sep 01 23:09:36 tivoli .. omg... nightmare Sep 01 23:12:02 cesarb: there we go, http://inputshow.googlepages.com/autoflight.htm ... "You also can set timed reboot periodically to keep memory clean and system efficient." Sep 01 23:13:28 mickey|mdd: I'd recommend checking if the battery is hot/bulged. Sep 01 23:13:41 As that can be bad. Sep 01 23:21:14 * SpeedEvil gets his GSM engineering data logger ready for tomorrow. Sep 01 23:21:34 To try and see if I can get location from it at all. Sep 01 23:23:25 'night guys Sep 01 23:35:27 Why does shutting down gsmd with "/etc/init.d/gsmd stop" totally lock up the neo within a few seconds? Sep 01 23:36:00 This behavior seems to be new with the .22 kernel, btw. Sep 01 23:36:10 Anyone else see this, or should I look at hardware? Sep 01 23:39:19 mwester: ah, so that's why it hangs on shutdown? Sep 01 23:39:53 * cesarb wonders if it might be better to dump gsmd in the gutter and go back to cu -l /dev/ttySACM0 Sep 01 23:48:27 IndentationError on openocd-native Sep 01 23:48:46 When you think the way the build crashes cannot get more creative, it does Sep 01 23:50:37 hehe Sep 01 23:53:23 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Phlash]] [[User:CM]] Sep 01 23:53:51 is there a known problem with building webkit? Sep 02 00:00:36 Wtf does the off-the-hook sound mean when you call a cell phone? Sep 02 00:13:24 http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-commits/2007-September/008470.html <- so this one is the culprit for the recent breakage Sep 02 00:26:18 anybody familiar with the build system enough to enlighten me on how you can get the MokoMakefile to add ipkg's that are built to the rootfs? Sep 02 00:26:53 mwester same here, ack Sep 02 00:27:13 kristian-m: you can get the new stuff to build :-o Sep 02 00:27:44 rtyler yes, had to exclude feedreader though Sep 02 00:28:04 rtyler some hours agao Sep 02 00:28:11 rtyler: the way I use is described at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:CesarB/Using_a_local_overlay Sep 02 00:28:12 with MokoMakefile? Sep 02 00:28:47 rtyler nop bitbake openmoko-kriss-image ;-) Sep 02 00:29:08 * kristian-m just managed to parse pppd config files in python :-) Sep 02 00:39:37 Re Sep 02 00:39:48 afternoon hhf423 Sep 02 00:40:03 Hi rtyler Sep 02 00:40:40 * hhf423 cant sleep Sep 02 00:41:36 * hhf423 looks at clock: 02.38, yawns Sep 02 00:43:22 I see that laf0rge has done some good work on uboot which will hopefully allow for better/faster gsmd development Sep 02 00:44:23 * rtyler starts a new build with MokoMakefile Sep 02 00:46:20 Re Sep 02 00:49:23 rtyler: you working on anything specific ? Sep 02 00:49:34 hhf423: Mono Sep 02 00:50:07 mono the what? Sep 02 00:51:50 the .net compatible thing? Sep 02 00:55:46 * hhf423 chuckles, the day i leave my xp laptop behind for vacation someone fixes the kernel to work with windows usb rndis Sep 02 01:02:36 hi DukeOfURL Sep 02 01:10:19 hi! Sep 02 01:20:25 all asleep here, eh? Sep 02 01:20:59 I'm in Denver. You? Sep 02 01:21:29 How do I create a Packages.gz in my local folders? Sep 02 01:21:55 why can i see all the connects and disconnects? channel not in conference mode? Sep 02 01:22:21 Southwest colorado here. After dinner. Sep 02 01:22:28 i am in germany, middle of the night here Sep 02 01:23:01 * gcb77 moved from Denver to Seattle 1 year ago Sep 02 01:23:03 gcb77: no idea ;-) Sep 02 01:23:03 Australia - good morning :-) Sep 02 01:23:24 yo mate ;-) Sep 02 01:23:36 gcb77: Where? I'm in Queen Anne... Sep 02 01:24:03 hhf423: maaaate. where's you at? Sep 02 01:24:04 freelock: bellevue Sep 02 01:24:10 Aria: Cortez? Sep 02 01:25:14 DukeOfURL: Close. Ridgway. Sep 02 01:25:17 gcb77: germany Sep 02 01:26:14 We drove through there last summer. I believe Ouray is probably the most beautiful place on earth, that and the drive over Red Mtn pass Sep 02 01:27:24 Yep. Pretty much. Sep 02 01:27:46 Or among the places that beautiful, the one not plagued by bugs, mudslides and not often by fires. Sep 02 01:28:33 * freelock snickers... Sep 02 01:28:37 I used to live in Alaska, and you got that bug thing right... Sep 02 01:29:26 * hhf423 will go to bed now, waves goodnight Sep 02 01:29:56 see ta Sep 02 01:29:57 can't say I miss the mosquitos here in Colorado. Sep 02 01:30:05 s/ta/ya/ Sep 02 01:30:05 dotmef meant: see ya Sep 02 01:30:11 nite Sep 02 01:31:51 Nor I. Sep 02 01:31:56 I love Colorado for that. Sep 02 01:33:14 and the low humidity. 'tis a privilege to live in Colorado. Sep 02 01:33:41 What service providers are there in Ridgeway? Sep 02 01:34:48 Ouraynet, Montrose internet, Qwest, me (The Internet Company) Sep 02 01:45:12 what GSM providers? Sep 02 01:47:15 Is The Internet Company an ISP? ITSP? Sep 02 01:49:31 why when I updating system I have "kiled" Sep 02 01:54:40 ERROR: '/home/tyler/source/openmoko/openembedded/packages/webkit/webkit-gtk_svn.bb' failed Sep 02 01:54:48 * rtyler smacks forhead Sep 02 01:55:00 damnit, who did this :) Sep 02 01:59:32 rtyler: are you getting the "directory not found" error. or something else? Sep 02 02:00:01 dotmef: no, do_compile ails Sep 02 02:00:04 fails too Sep 02 02:00:20 what's the error it's failing on? Sep 02 02:00:48 | /home/tyler/source/openmoko/build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/libicui18n.so: undefined reference to `__cxa_pure_virtual@CXXABI_1.3' Sep 02 02:00:52 lots of those Sep 02 02:01:00 yep - that's where I'm up to Sep 02 02:01:42 rtyler: that means you have to clobber your whole build and start from the beginning Sep 02 02:01:57 cesarb: should I just nuke my build/ directory? Sep 02 02:02:02 * rtyler is fine with that Sep 02 02:02:08 I haz teh horsepowar ;) Sep 02 02:02:08 rtyler: NO Sep 02 02:02:12 hehj Sep 02 02:02:14 rtyler: build/tmp only Sep 02 02:02:26 * rtyler notes that he was joking a bit :) Sep 02 02:02:27 rtyler: the error is because of a new gcc version on openembedded Sep 02 02:02:35 ah Sep 02 02:02:56 dotmef: I can run through it now if you want to wait ;) Sep 02 02:03:43 I nuked build/tmp, but it didn't rebuild uboot Sep 02 02:04:04 rtyler: yep! cool with me :-D Sep 02 02:04:49 rtyler: I have to spend some time un-modding some stuff I was playing with anyway Sep 02 02:05:04 alright, I already kicked off the build Sep 02 02:09:13 this is prolly a good thing. I think my tmp dir needs a spring clean anyway Sep 02 02:10:50 i.e. an extermination? :P Sep 02 02:11:27 well, yes. dalek style spring clean Sep 02 02:14:27 rtlyer: how long do you think it'll take to rebuild? Sep 02 02:15:25 * dotmef thinks he should just nuke build/tmp anyway Sep 02 02:15:52 this is a dual core Opteron, relatively light load, so it should be done in under 2 hours >_> Sep 02 02:16:53 ja. I'm gunna nuke and rebuild now. Sep 02 02:17:13 I need all the time I can get :-D Sep 02 02:19:50 rtyler: how long since you last built? I think this bug started appearing a few days ago... Sep 02 02:20:14 cesarb: a while ago, I was previously getting lots of failed builds because somebody frakked up the kernel :P Sep 02 02:20:48 * mwester does some math... dual-core P4 @2.40 GHz takes 6 hours, but rtyler has a dual-core opteron that does it in two... that... 7.20GHz on the Opteron, then? Sep 02 02:21:07 ah, I think I found your problem Sep 02 02:21:25 "dual-core *P4* @2.40 GHz" Sep 02 02:21:27 * rtyler ducks Sep 02 02:22:12 rtyler: what kind of disk are you using? Sep 02 02:22:57 no clue, sata in some form or another >_> Sep 02 02:23:54 rtyler perhaps uses noatime Sep 02 02:24:04 * dotmef has been looking hungrily at new hardware Sep 02 02:24:06 rtyler: or configured parallel make on bitbake Sep 02 02:24:46 cesarb: I doubt I did that, and I'm probably getting it wrong, so I'd love to know how to do parallel bitbakes :D Sep 02 02:24:50 make -j4 doesn't work Sep 02 02:24:54 well -j anything Sep 02 02:25:32 cesarb: yes. noatime is a good idea, that I must implement on my system. Sep 02 02:25:59 rtyler, just set the variables in the local.conf, threading works perfectly for me Sep 02 02:26:31 PARALLEL_MAKE = "-j 5" Sep 02 02:26:31 BB_NUMBER_THREADS = "5" Sep 02 02:26:32 * dotmef has freed 10G so far from just the remove of buidl/tmp Sep 02 02:28:03 dotmef: you'll fill that back up in no time Sep 02 02:28:14 lol Sep 02 02:35:23 Why do we have to compile qemu twice? qemu-native and then mokomakefile's build-qemu... Sep 02 02:41:33 cesarb: one would hope that the qemu-native would be reduced to just build qmake Sep 02 02:41:44 (since that is all it is used for) Sep 02 02:41:52 what's the app on http://scap.linuxtogo.org that shows battery info? Sep 02 02:46:01 grrr Sep 02 02:46:14 anyone here build pcs often? Sep 02 02:46:32 Often enough. Sep 02 02:46:35 ok Sep 02 02:46:36 What's up? Sep 02 02:46:41 get ne mb, cpu, ram, etc. Sep 02 02:46:49 powersupply from previous box - atx Sep 02 02:46:51 known to work Sep 02 02:46:55 plutg it all in Sep 02 02:47:03 green "i have volatage" light is on on the mb Sep 02 02:47:06 but no matter what u do Sep 02 02:47:10 thing doesnt power up Sep 02 02:47:14 no fanspits Sep 02 02:47:15 no beps Sep 02 02:47:17 nada Sep 02 02:47:25 no form of indication of what the issue is Sep 02 02:47:34 other than a hosed MB Sep 02 02:47:36 The power-on switch is connected right? Nothing sitting under the motherboard that would short? Sep 02 02:47:45 i cant think whats up Sep 02 02:47:56 boar is fre and clear of its base Sep 02 02:48:09 power connected (thew green voltage led on the mb wouldnt come on otherwise) Sep 02 02:48:14 and yes Sep 02 02:48:20 And there's a 4-pin 12v line to the new motherboard? Sep 02 02:48:23 the power on witch to the case button is connected Sep 02 02:48:30 * Aria nods. Grm. Sep 02 02:48:32 i'e connected and re-connected those suckers a dozen times Sep 02 02:48:55 * Aria makes a face. That sucks. Sep 02 02:48:59 the 2x2 connecttor next to the cpu? Sep 02 02:49:03 Yeah. Sep 02 02:49:06 yup Sep 02 02:49:08 in Sep 02 02:49:11 1 slight problem Sep 02 02:49:11 Geez. Sep 02 02:49:13 raster: I blew a cheap psu a few weeks ago by shorting the +12V rail. The MB leds worked fine, but nothing else. Sep 02 02:49:17 thanks to lack of any detailed docs at the store Sep 02 02:49:20 i got 4-4-4 mem Sep 02 02:49:25 not 5-5-5 or 6-6-6 Sep 02 02:49:31 That should at least get you spinning fans though Sep 02 02:49:36 intels docs online if u dig say it only supports 5-5-5 or 6-6-6 Sep 02 02:49:42 * Aria nods. Sep 02 02:49:46 That is indeed a problem. Sep 02 02:49:46 but i'd expect beeps and spinning fans Sep 02 02:49:51 (sounds lime the board I installed last night) Sep 02 02:49:57 But I've never seen what happens when you get that wrong. Sep 02 02:50:00 I'd expect the same. Sep 02 02:50:00 It doesn't know the ram timings until it powers up... Sep 02 02:50:09 mwester: this psu isnt cheap :) Sep 02 02:50:25 yup Sep 02 02:50:28 Got a voltmeter? Check your 12V. Sep 02 02:50:41 so i just want to be sure that this is trange Sep 02 02:50:45 if the ram is the problem Sep 02 02:50:47 * mwester bought a replacement PSU that is short-circuit-tolerant. Sep 02 02:50:49 i woudl expect SOME power-on Sep 02 02:50:57 and nup Sep 02 02:51:00 no volt meter :( Sep 02 02:51:15 but until last night this psu was powering another box happily Sep 02 02:51:24 i just unplugged it all and recycled Sep 02 02:51:58 (i rebuild my old media box - new case, but new case didnt do ATX psu - id only microatx, so i had the atx psu floatng out the back of the box for a while until i got a microatx one) Sep 02 02:52:15 i'd be surprised if its shorted... Sep 02 02:52:25 Yeah, that's just weird. Sep 02 02:52:28 i could try the microatx pus that works... Sep 02 02:52:35 but i suspect a broken MB Sep 02 02:52:46 if i dont even get beps Sep 02 02:53:26 Yeah. Sep 02 02:53:28 would that be right? Sep 02 02:53:31 raster: to get a beep it has to actually get to the BIOS... Sep 02 02:53:38 cesarb: yup Sep 02 02:53:39 raster: some kinds of problems get you before that Sep 02 02:53:44 it could be the cpu too... Sep 02 02:53:49 raster: like a reversed floppy or IDE cable Sep 02 02:53:56 no floppy or ide drives Sep 02 02:53:57 sata only Sep 02 02:53:59 I can't think of anything but CPU, MB or PSU Sep 02 02:54:14 i took out the pci-e gfx card Sep 02 02:54:18 Meh Sep 02 02:54:22 nada Sep 02 02:54:23 raster: well, one debugging trick: get everything out but CPU and memory Sep 02 02:54:30 cesarb: did that Sep 02 02:54:31 :) Sep 02 02:54:36 raster: all disk drives, all PCI cards, everything Sep 02 02:54:43 raster: way ahead of me then ;-) Sep 02 02:55:28 * cesarb thinks Dell's idea of a set of four diagnostic lights plus an amber one on the power button is great for these situations Sep 02 02:55:43 yeah Sep 02 02:55:45 i'd love that Sep 02 02:55:48 got a new Dell at work, sometimes didn't power on, with a 1Hz amber light on the power button... Sep 02 02:55:56 the manual said "MB or PSU" Sep 02 02:55:56 all i have is the grel "12v voltage rail is ther" Sep 02 02:55:58 light Sep 02 02:56:03 i think its that one Sep 02 02:56:06 the tech went with a PSU tester... it was the PSU Sep 02 02:56:24 'll try my other psu... Sep 02 02:56:27 raster: the LED on most motherboards is for +5VSB... Sep 02 02:56:30 time to cannibalise stuff Sep 02 02:56:36 ooh ok Sep 02 02:56:43 but at leats i know the psu is party alive Sep 02 02:58:12 raster: well, the problematic Dell PSU we got had ONLY +5VSB alive Sep 02 02:58:25 raster: until you tried several times, then it started working normally Sep 02 02:58:36 raster: turn it off for several minutes, and it stopped working correctly again **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Sep 02 02:59:57 2007