**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 01 02:59:56 2007 Oct 01 03:01:14 How bout the screen on it, if i put it in my jeans is it going to scratch? Oct 01 03:05:51 Probably not. It's pretty deep. It also comes with a neoprene bag Oct 01 03:06:03 Don't put keys in the same pocket Oct 01 03:07:48 Ok Oct 01 03:08:35 I'm getting "invalid magic" on my ipkgs and my md5sums don't match. ideas? Oct 01 03:15:36 guess not Oct 01 03:21:39 crap. Updated, now I don't boot. Oct 01 03:36:30 good morning Oct 01 03:57:19 programmer torture DDR: start a big compile job. play ddr. take breaks when the compile breaks. you're done DDRing when your 75 minute compile goes through. Oct 01 03:58:39 juri_: http://xkcd.com/303/ Oct 01 03:59:08 juri_ oh.. then the openmoko-devels would become athletes... my build takes 300minutes and i think thats quite fast Oct 01 04:00:20 cesarb: i like the current one myself. :) Oct 01 04:00:53 juri_: "EMP cannon"? :-) Oct 01 04:00:57 roh: now you know why i don't compile openmoko stuffs.. i'm still working at getting past minute 45 for the fourth time tonight. :) Oct 01 04:01:32 cesarb: you got it. my cannon is primed. :) Oct 01 04:09:14 Hey guys. I'm trying to setup OpenMOKO with the MokoMakefile and after downloading and running "make setup" I get "bin/sh: svn: not found" and the next line "make: *** [setup-patches] Error 127" Any ideas? I'm on Ubuntu 7.04 Oct 01 04:10:01 DemDem: did you follow the instructions on installing all the dependencies for OE on your disto? Oct 01 04:10:03 distro? Oct 01 04:11:01 cause you're missing subversion. Oct 01 04:11:16 Yea. All I could find that wasnt installed was GCC3.4 and the help2man. I double checked but let me run through everything again. Oct 01 04:11:27 if it's not already listed for your distro in http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OEandYourDistro, then please add it on that page. Oct 01 04:13:19 Thanks I didnt see that! Oct 01 04:27:53 is there anyone here who speaks finnish? Oct 01 04:55:37 summatusmentis: I think there's even an openmoko-fi channel Oct 01 05:02:11 Thanks rwhitby that link! It fixed what I was missing. Oct 01 05:18:07 moin Oct 01 05:39:34 heya guys, I'm trying to run openmoko under ubuntu gutsy beta, do you recommend using the mokomakefile and qemu? Oct 01 05:41:51 Yasumoto, it works here. Oct 01 05:46:05 CM: really? I don't speak finnish at all, I was just curious as to what the word for computer was :-D Oct 01 05:47:15 summatusmentis: Heh.. I can't remember for sure, but I think it was tietokone Oct 01 05:47:23 Tieto is data Oct 01 05:48:29 jserv--: yeah, I just got it up and running :) Oct 01 05:48:43 Yasumoto, cool. Oct 01 05:49:14 I've been running into some issues, but wanted to see if anyone had any other ways that they were emulating it Oct 01 05:59:36 Getting another error. The main parts are on the last few lines. Here's a txt of the run. http://sunflower.com/~tornmorals/mokoerr.txt Oct 01 06:00:33 DemDem: Do you only have gcc-4.x installed? Oct 01 06:00:37 I dont have 4.x gcc even installed. So the warning to disable --disable-gcc-check would be appreciated on where to place it. Oct 01 06:00:44 Oh, strange Oct 01 06:01:20 yea... that's what I was thinking, also why I think it's probably safe to disable the check. Oct 01 06:01:41 Sure Oct 01 06:01:59 You'd have to change that in the qemu configure though Oct 01 06:02:39 I have both gcc 3.4.6 and 4.2.1 installed, and there's no problem getting qemu to build Oct 01 06:03:31 Himm... I'll look on how to do so. I was figureing it was in the makefile and find a compile option. Gish I'm a nub. Oct 01 06:06:26 DemDem: I'm not at home in the bitbake stuff either, but I'm sure you should take a look at the qemu .bb file and add the configure option there Oct 01 06:48:13 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Gsmd/document]] Oct 01 06:57:38 what's gta02? wifi/3g? or something else? Oct 01 06:57:38 Currently sold Neo1973 GTA01B_v04 (P1) doesn't have WiFi, GTA02 (P2) which is scheduled for October will have WiFi with free (libre) drivers (Atheros AR6K): http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F Oct 01 06:57:43 ha Oct 01 06:58:51 Lord_Pall: the "production-ready" model. no 3g, no edge. wifi, gprs, bluetooth. Oct 01 06:59:06 gotcha Oct 01 06:59:18 im in dire need of a phone.. yargh Oct 01 06:59:32 Had a motorolo f3 which ruled but i think it fell in a gutter and washed away or something Oct 01 06:59:40 so now i'm looking at the other end of the spectrum Oct 01 07:00:54 don't expect usable phone here before december. gta01 (development model) "kinda works" Oct 01 07:01:10 yah. that's what I garnered Oct 01 07:01:18 to be honest it can't be worse than that motorola. Oct 01 07:01:19 heh Oct 01 07:01:47 "calling sometimes works"? ;) Oct 01 07:01:58 ha. sounds like a treo 600 Oct 01 07:02:06 "won't hang up ever" Oct 01 07:02:25 and did you have to use AT commands from terminal to make calls? ;) Oct 01 07:02:34 haha. that's awesome Oct 01 07:02:57 geek factor x10 ;P Oct 01 07:03:02 maybe i'll buy an iphone and unlock it.. that feels wrong though Oct 01 07:03:13 and updates brick them Oct 01 07:03:17 temporarily unlock is ... Oct 01 07:03:19 yeah that's fine Oct 01 07:03:32 you have to manually install the updates i think Oct 01 07:03:40 the thing that's stopping me is the 2.5g vs. 3 Oct 01 07:03:44 Lord_Pall: I'd say the biggest problem with the Neo right now is power management Oct 01 07:03:45 well that and I don't need it Oct 01 07:05:03 hmm. well crap. I hate cell phones... Oct 01 07:05:03 time to relocate, see you later Oct 01 07:05:06 adios Oct 01 07:19:26 Hi! I think I found a bug in the perl install - could somebody confirm this by running a little perl script (three lines) I wrote to test this issue? Oct 01 07:37:25 Lord_Pall: why do you hate cell phones? Oct 01 07:38:35 all cellphones suck! Oct 01 07:38:40 some sucks less Oct 01 07:38:57 :-) Oct 01 07:48:50 zash`: "mutt of cell phones"? ;) Oct 01 07:49:08 jäh! Oct 01 07:49:26 nokia 3310! ;D Oct 01 07:50:13 hi Oct 01 07:50:20 hopefully phones will suck less with openmoko on them :D Oct 01 07:50:33 Beauty: oh hello Oct 01 07:50:41 hello Oct 01 07:51:37 i have gone through that wiki makefile thing so far and magaged to build a image and a rootfs Oct 01 07:51:55 i also managed to dfu-util it to the neo Oct 01 07:52:01 but i cant open the dialer Oct 01 07:52:04 why? Oct 01 07:52:24 afk Oct 01 07:52:54 <_diego_> beauty: how do you lunch the dialer? Oct 01 07:53:14 lunch? Oct 01 07:53:22 no thx Oct 01 07:53:39 i just want to make a call now Oct 01 07:53:56 why doesnt it work? Oct 01 07:54:54 there is a button with a phone icon that i click on Oct 01 07:55:06 but nothing happens Oct 01 07:56:02 I wrote a bit about the openmoko (and versus the iphone), thought I'd share and see if anyone had any comments for me: http://snowulf.com/index.php?/archives/435-Why-everyone-should-stop-hackingcomplaining-about-the-iPhone.html Oct 01 07:56:45 Error 403 Oct 01 07:57:03 works for me Oct 01 07:57:53 * zash` 2 Oct 01 07:58:20 i get 403 here aswell Oct 01 07:58:33 Beauty: the dialer segfaults in qemu when i tried last time Oct 01 07:58:34 That's odd, maybe the url is getting trunc'd: http://tinyurl.com/2ztng9 Oct 01 07:58:58 quaqua where are you? - it just cant work for you Oct 01 07:59:24 Try again - humor me Oct 01 07:59:35 zash - yes i understand - what can i do to make it work? Oct 01 08:00:33 this link now works Oct 01 08:00:48 Thanks Oct 01 08:04:27 yay. time to go towork Oct 01 08:04:41 seconded :/ Oct 01 08:04:48 i think its cold out too Oct 01 08:04:51 and i have to bike Oct 01 08:04:51 blech Oct 01 08:05:01 ditto :) Oct 01 08:05:10 uk? Oct 01 08:05:11 well, i could drive, but cycling's quicker Oct 01 08:05:15 .ie Oct 01 08:05:21 where's ie? Oct 01 08:05:30 little bit to the left :) ireland Oct 01 08:05:33 ah Oct 01 08:05:33 heh Oct 01 08:05:37 no car here Oct 01 08:05:43 dont really need one though Oct 01 08:07:42 well so how can I get this UI working finally? Oct 01 08:08:10 okay i'm off. good luck all Oct 01 08:09:19 any suggestions? Oct 01 08:09:19 Ralp1: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Oct 01 08:09:45 thx aloril Oct 01 08:16:15 g'day Oct 01 08:33:23 morning all Oct 01 08:35:43 is somebody here with GTA hardware willing to check some touchscreen issue, maybe bug Oct 01 08:40:54 Any_Key: In about 7h or so I can, once I get home from work ;) Oct 01 08:47:28 CM, need to run ts_harvest and then look into ts_harvest.out, little boring, but looks like touch screen output some random or out of screen size values, Oct 01 08:47:44 CM, I get it under qemu Oct 01 08:48:26 CM, you can first run ts_print to check Oct 01 08:48:54 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Gsmd/document]] Oct 01 08:50:05 CM I got smtn like -73 or 812 as coordinates, funny Oct 01 08:51:02 CM not all the time, but one of 30-50 on fast clicks Oct 01 08:57:58 Any_Key: Normally I have my neo on all the time and can ssh to it from work, but I've been out of town for 5 days and just got back. I'll look at that when I get home Oct 01 09:08:13 allright guys Oct 01 09:08:25 i wanted to setup my QEMU Oct 01 09:08:39 i did what i found in the wiki so far Oct 01 09:08:52 Using the MokoMakefile or just run a previously compiled image? Oct 01 09:09:26 no no - just what http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU says Oct 01 09:09:41 Ok Oct 01 09:09:55 i have allready some experience with makefile and flashing to the neo with dfu-util Oct 01 09:10:06 now i want to start it on QEMU Oct 01 09:10:23 make qemu-image ; make run-qemu? Oct 01 09:10:47 so now wen i get to the step "openmoko/flash" i get this: Oct 01 09:10:55 Please wait, programming the NAND flash... Oct 01 09:10:55 sleep: ungültiges Zeitintervall „setenv“ Oct 01 09:11:15 sleep: ungültiges Zeitintervall „dontask“ Oct 01 09:11:15 sleep: ungültiges Zeitintervall „y“ Oct 01 09:11:15 sleep: ungültiges Zeitintervall „nand“ Oct 01 09:11:19 and on an on Oct 01 09:11:36 well maybe it has to do with my using an amd64? Oct 01 09:11:50 Hmm.. There has been some people talking about an error in the flashing. But removing one line in the flash script fixed it. I think it's in bugzilla somewhere Oct 01 09:12:03 for qemu - yes.. Oct 01 09:12:05 oh ok Oct 01 09:12:16 ScaredyCat: Hey there :) Oct 01 09:12:21 maybe you know the bug#? Oct 01 09:12:21 iirc its the bit where is rebuilds the bbt Oct 01 09:12:32 welcome back CM, you slacker ;) Oct 01 09:12:42 ill go find it - thx Oct 01 09:13:26 ScaredyCat: Hehe.. I haven't slacked that much.. Even managed to find a new job. :D Oct 01 09:13:58 Anything happened in Moko-land? Something suddenly working, like gsmd or so? Oct 01 09:14:18 hey CM! wellcome Oct 01 09:14:24 :o Oct 01 09:14:39 CM: you can't get a new job until my V8 is ready :D Oct 01 09:14:44 i cant find a bug at bugzilla that is related to my problem Oct 01 09:15:27 ScaredyCat: They even stopped production completely last friday, problems with a new supplier of fueltanks.. Not good at all, our prognoses are getting delayed! Oct 01 09:15:34 :P Oct 01 09:15:44 CM thanx alot Oct 01 09:16:02 :/ Oct 01 09:18:22 CM: I am in that flash.sh looking at uboot() { Oct 01 09:18:42 somehow sleep gets the wrong args Oct 01 09:19:03 but it look ok the way it is written here Oct 01 09:19:16 sleep $2 Oct 01 09:19:48 when it is called with uboot $uboot_image 300 " ...." Oct 01 09:20:11 the only thing could be that there is no $uboot_image Oct 01 09:20:24 or $uboot_image="" Oct 01 09:20:49 * CM just started a new build Oct 01 09:20:58 than 300 is the $1 and all the other stuff like "setenv dontask y ..." is $2 Oct 01 09:21:10 hmm Oct 01 09:21:36 Ralph: You already know more than me about that now :) Oct 01 09:21:53 * CM is just a general information filter with a small echo-chamber Oct 01 09:21:55 well when i found it - ill tell you Oct 01 09:21:57 * Any_Key just finished the ne build Oct 01 09:22:40 Using '' as the kernel image. Oct 01 09:22:40 Using '' as the root filesystem image. Oct 01 09:22:40 Using '' as bootloader. Oct 01 09:22:46 thats the problem here Oct 01 09:23:28 cant find where the vars are defined here Oct 01 09:24:42 oh! its that they should be defined in the enviroment Oct 01 09:29:31 IT DOSENT WORK WHAT THIS WIKI TELLS ME - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU Oct 01 09:29:36 Ralph: the vars are set in build/qemu/openmoko/flash.sh in the most_recent function. This function searches images/openmoko for images if you do a make-qemu or make flash-qemu-official. It searches build/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01 if you do a make flash-qemu-local Oct 01 09:29:43 Hi Oct 01 09:29:51 mickey|portugal: About? Oct 01 09:30:07 openmoko/download.sh just downloads "index.html" stuff Oct 01 09:30:34 If you don't have a kernel, uboot image and rootfs in the appropriate directory you'll get the messages about "Using '' as the ..." Oct 01 09:30:42 dneary: he is on proper holiday Oct 01 09:30:43 and the openmoko/flash.sh dont work without the enviroment set probably Oct 01 09:31:00 XorA: Really? wow! well done :) Oct 01 09:31:26 so you need to "Makefile" and build it from there - am I right? Oct 01 09:31:45 build/qemu/openmoko/flash.sh sources build/qemu/openmoko/env which should set the environment up. The easiest way to get qemu going is to use the MokoMakefile Oct 01 09:32:03 since you have to invoke scripts from directories other than the dirs that contain the scripts... Oct 01 09:32:25 gordon: i am doing the make qemu right now - from my moko development enviremont Oct 01 09:32:39 my point is that that WIKI just is wrong Oct 01 09:32:44 it wont work Oct 01 09:33:56 Ralph: I never bothered to follow the wiki, any time I've done things manually I've always used the Makefile as my reference Oct 01 09:34:10 I suppose you could always fix it, it is a wiki after all :) Oct 01 09:34:26 we should write this in to that wiki, shoundn't we? Oct 01 09:34:45 Well the Makefile is already mentioned before the manual instructions Oct 01 09:34:58 yes - but than that wiki is pointless - delete it! :) Oct 01 09:35:27 better: tell how to really get it to work Oct 01 09:35:34 however Oct 01 09:36:07 btw - i get the same error now with "make qemu" ;) Oct 01 09:37:12 Have you gotten some kernel/uboot/rootfs files in the relevant directory? Oct 01 09:41:45 well - here is the thing Oct 01 09:42:15 when you do make qemu - it builds it and than trys that flashing which fails Oct 01 09:42:38 but - if you then just dont worry and do make flash-qemu-local - it will work Oct 01 09:43:47 so it is a bit disturbing - i would kill that other wiki and tell the people to use this here instead: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Using_QEMU_with_MokoMakefile Oct 01 09:44:04 because this one finally does work Oct 01 09:53:58 Ok, webkit fails to build again.. Any tip of what I should rebuild so I don't have to recompile everything? http://rafb.net/p/nrmzcb31.html Oct 01 09:58:05 CM make update Oct 01 09:58:17 oe had a fix (version bump for webkit) Oct 01 09:58:33 Ok, thanks Oct 01 10:02:09 Ralph: this is symptomatic of not having downloaded the official images! Oct 01 10:03:07 When you run make-qemu it tries to flash the official images which are kept in a different directory to the local ones. If you don't have the official images (for whatever reason) then it will fail like this. Maybe the official download site is unreachable? Oct 01 10:03:19 yes - i found that on the other WIKI-side Oct 01 10:03:42 well - update the WIKI :) Oct 01 10:03:55 I've been trying to tell you this for a while now... Oct 01 10:04:16 I can't update the wiki. I have a day job which I'm doing right now, only coming to IRC when it's compiling Oct 01 10:04:21 i have qemu up and running already Oct 01 10:04:31 i c Oct 01 10:04:48 i added a little hint there Oct 01 10:04:54 - for a workaround Oct 01 10:07:32 anyone knows why oss fails in the qemu? Oct 01 10:07:34 http://rafb.net/p/eFcl2r62.html Oct 01 10:46:06 openmoko: 03chris * r3062 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (ChangeLog libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c): Oct 01 10:46:06 openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c: Oct 01 10:46:06 openmoko: Change the way events are synthesised to enable dragging (and thus Oct 01 10:46:09 openmoko: text selection) in a scroll widget Oct 01 10:48:53 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Community_nominees_for_GTA02_P0]] [[Gsmd/document]] [[OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] [[E17]] Oct 01 10:50:39 openmoko: 03chris * r3063 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (ChangeLog libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c): Oct 01 10:50:39 openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c: Oct 01 10:50:39 openmoko: Remove active debug statements Oct 01 11:06:05 :) http://xkcd.com/323/ Oct 01 11:07:04 xkcd ftw Oct 01 11:09:43 agreed Oct 01 11:25:48 roh: updating didn't help building webkit. icu seems broken, that's the problem: http://rafb.net/p/bYBFra42.html Oct 01 11:26:25 * CM considers a complete rebuild instead Oct 01 11:26:51 Does any one know if there has been any movement on the GPS issue, regarding chipsets? Oct 01 11:27:15 You mean for GTA02? Oct 01 11:27:29 wibbit: I don't have GPS support in my country ... just release the Ne01973 ffs :-p Oct 01 11:27:58 CVirus: really? I hadn't realised it was not available in all countries Oct 01 11:28:05 i tried the neo sw...its shit Oct 01 11:28:23 wibbit: it's not in Egypt Oct 01 11:28:41 CVirus: don't the USian GPS sattelites hover over the whole globe? Oct 01 11:28:46 CVirus: So, in Egypt, there is NO gps coverage? Oct 01 11:29:00 I thought GPS coverage was global Oct 01 11:29:10 it is Oct 01 11:29:12 hence the first letter 'g' Oct 01 11:29:14 it is global Oct 01 11:29:37 CVirus: so what do you mean when you say, you don't have gps support? Oct 01 11:29:55 wibbit: as far as I know ... we don't Oct 01 11:30:02 hmmm Oct 01 11:30:07 what? Oct 01 11:30:18 we don't have maps in Egypt Oct 01 11:30:22 for* Oct 01 11:30:36 Ahhh, okay, you have GPS but no map data Oct 01 11:30:38 that's different Oct 01 11:30:43 yeah Oct 01 11:31:01 CVirus: it would be a good time to start a OSM movement ;-) Oct 01 11:31:49 cesarb: yeah .. I might start an initiative on EgLUG.org or sumthing Oct 01 11:32:15 CVirus: i could be tempted to come over for a mapping party :) Oct 01 11:32:37 wow .. cool :-D Oct 01 11:33:15 www.openstreetmap.org if you weren't already aware of it Oct 01 11:36:28 cjb_ie: I was trying to remember that to mention it ;) Oct 01 11:40:25 Does openstreetmap use googlemaps underneath? Oct 01 11:41:32 Hmm theres a phones hardly anyone mentions, the Nokia 7710 Oct 01 11:41:45 it's not a phone Oct 01 11:41:51 oh Oct 01 11:41:52 sorry Oct 01 11:42:02 * Fatal kicks self in head and goes for another coffee Oct 01 11:42:19 heh, I nearly made the same mistake until I googled it Oct 01 11:42:49 aparently there are people running Linux on the things Oct 01 11:48:40 Another interesting Linux phone, this one is one is German http://www.road-gmbh.de/deutsch/02_01_S101.html Oct 01 11:49:08 s/is one// Oct 01 11:49:09 Linux_Galore meant: Another interesting Linux phone, th is one is German http://www.road-gmbh.de/deutsch/02_01_S101.html Oct 01 11:51:15 that's been vaporware for ages Oct 01 11:51:37 unfortunately Oct 01 11:51:50 26mm is quite thick too Oct 01 11:52:18 yeah, HTC's offering would eat that thing for lunch Oct 01 11:52:25 i'd still be very tempted if it weren't vapourware Oct 01 11:52:29 offerings* Oct 01 11:52:57 some of the new HTC phones are actually pretty good Oct 01 11:53:03 shame about the OS Oct 01 11:53:15 Linux_Galore: speaking as someone who migrated from a nokia 9000i to a handspring visorphone to a sonyericsson p910i - proper keyboard is very very nice to have Oct 01 11:54:03 yeah, I notice a few models with slider qwerty keyboards now Oct 01 11:54:12 even Toshiba make one Oct 01 11:54:34 I like the Nokia e70 phone, and how they have dealt with the qwerty keyboard Oct 01 11:54:44 yeah, that's quite cunning Oct 01 11:55:00 It is just a pity that they don't seem to be that popular Oct 01 11:55:19 I don't know HOW the E60 is a more popular phone, the screen resolution is the same, but it's bigger and uglier Oct 01 11:55:37 I looked at the e70, seems a bit fiddly though Oct 01 11:55:52 Linux_Galore: Nope, not at all Oct 01 11:56:17 Linux_Galore: but, the software could do with some tender love, however that's not the hardware, and I am sure the other S60 phones have the same problems Oct 01 11:57:25 heh, always get the HTC Advantage if your a keyboard junky Oct 01 11:57:31 thats thing is huge Oct 01 12:10:09 SpeedEvil: hows your phone going Oct 01 12:10:40 I've just got the final lot of bits I need to make the accelerometer and stuff Oct 01 12:11:01 ah ok what bus you going to use? Oct 01 12:11:08 Unsure. Oct 01 12:11:18 Probably I2C - it depends. Oct 01 12:11:21 lol Oct 01 12:11:35 yeah i am looking at adding a SMD500 to mine if i can find one Oct 01 12:13:36 SMD500? Oct 01 12:14:04 yeah a bosch barometer/thermometer Oct 01 12:14:55 SpeedEvil: what are you using for your accelerometer Oct 01 12:15:05 I forget the name. Oct 01 12:16:41 Please put up some pics once you've gotten started :D Oct 01 12:16:48 No. Oct 01 12:16:53 :( Oct 01 12:16:54 I'm putting up a webstore. Oct 01 12:17:00 Aha Oct 01 12:17:10 You want the schematics, you buy one and trace it :) Oct 01 12:17:18 aha! en handduk! Oct 01 12:17:32 It's hopefully going to be easy to install. Oct 01 12:17:32 :( Oct 01 12:17:43 I'm trying to resist adding new features - such as touch-panels. Oct 01 12:17:55 And USB power Oct 01 12:19:20 Barometer, FM radio, ... Oct 01 12:26:13 V12 Oct 01 12:32:37 SpeedEvil: are you building a doughter board? Are there internal pins free or will you use usb? Oct 01 12:32:47 Connect to the debug port Oct 01 12:33:01 no soldering. Oct 01 12:33:05 nice Oct 01 12:33:26 Annoyingly - connecting power to the USB port is hard. Oct 01 12:33:36 And probably can't be done without soldering. Oct 01 12:33:42 it's october now, any news on the neo? Oct 01 12:33:53 LittleIdiot: december at best for the GTA02 Oct 01 12:34:03 *sigh* Oct 01 12:34:14 cant find the pin schematics of the debug port. What is available there? Oct 01 12:34:36 ah, found it Oct 01 12:34:43 I2C, SPI, copies of some serial ports, ... Oct 01 12:34:48 No VCC annoyingly. Oct 01 12:35:15 :( Oct 01 12:36:26 i2c sounds good. Oct 01 12:38:33 SpeedEvil: strange. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debug_Board#Pinouts says pin 10 has vcc 3.3V. Am i at the wrong plug? Oct 01 12:42:07 DPThought: that is the pinout of the UART connector of the debug board, I think... Oct 01 12:42:52 ops. right. Oct 01 12:44:58 by the way, i've posted twice now to the hardware mailing list, that i can't get the gsm modem to work with certain sim-cards and i've heard rumors that i'm not the only one... is this problem being adressed or was i overheard? Oct 01 12:46:28 i find the idea nice to chage the usb port from 90degress (side ways) to upwards pointing to the back of the case. This woulb be a realli nice solution to piggyback additinal voards at the back side. (I thing this was already proposed at the wiki whomewhere) I wounder how much the case design can be changed yet at this point. Oct 01 12:47:33 DPThought: not at all, apparently. Oct 01 12:49:33 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Gsmd/document]] [[User:ChrisLord]] Oct 01 12:50:18 expected that. Making molding tools is expensive. Had slight hopes that the GTA02 would need a new case design anyway. Oct 01 12:51:51 would not be hard to dremel tha myself when i need it :) Oct 01 12:53:26 is the neo 800x600? Oct 01 12:54:07 no Oct 01 12:54:09 VGA Oct 01 12:54:14 480x640 Oct 01 12:54:19 ah ok Oct 01 12:59:36 LittleIdiot: Is it http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=666 ? Oct 01 12:59:42 <|R> 800x600 on 2.8" would be a bit scary :D Oct 01 12:59:59 Nice comment today there: "Latest update, new gsm firmware could work with AT&T 3G fireball USIM now." Oct 01 13:00:03 800x600 is awesome on the small screen Oct 01 13:00:06 See Zaurus Oct 01 13:02:35 CM: almost, but i get cme error #15 ("Sim Wrong" according to etsi spec Oct 01 13:04:57 I've only tried one sim and it worked Oct 01 13:06:19 i've tried different cards from all the same provider 2 with and 2 without umts capabilies... the ones with the additional umts foo don't work Oct 01 13:06:45 ...and well, they have 6 contact plates more than the other ones Oct 01 13:06:54 :) Oct 01 13:07:51 it doesn't apper to be a mecanical problem though, i've put tape onto the unneeded ones ;) Oct 01 13:09:04 I wonder how we're supposed to get the new firmware and how to flash it Oct 01 13:09:22 Or will that be GTA02 only? Oct 01 13:09:50 well the wiki has an interesting thing to quote here: "Due to NDA issues, OpenMoko cannot provide a reference documentation to those commands. [...] Thus, we welcome our user and developer community to play with those commands and document them here." Oct 01 13:10:31 :) Oct 01 13:10:38 you can probably get the firmware off people.openmoko.org (the original one is on there) but good luck finding the program Oct 01 13:11:39 CM, 3G SIM card issues are resolved in internal GSM firmware, moko5. Oct 01 13:11:57 CM, the device has to be re-flashed. Oct 01 13:12:50 jserv---: we know that already, but question remains: how are we supposed to flash it without that application? Oct 01 13:13:22 LittleIdiot, good questions :( Oct 01 13:13:40 It is regarded as pending non-technical issues. Oct 01 13:15:17 you must all send you neos to me and I will ...errm... flash them... sometime... in the future..... Oct 01 13:15:19 :P Oct 01 13:15:34 * xzcvczx turns the hose on ScaredyCat Oct 01 13:16:10 Hehe Oct 01 13:16:15 I wouldn't call *that* a hose, more of a tiny tiny straw Oct 01 13:16:25 * ScaredyCat sniggers Oct 01 13:16:30 ~fish ScaredyCat Oct 01 13:16:32 * apt slaps ScaredyCat around with a large trout Oct 01 13:16:43 * ScaredyCat eats the trout Oct 01 13:17:00 * xzcvczx slaps ScaredyCat round with a power lead Oct 01 13:17:12 ~prod xzcvczx Oct 01 13:17:13 * apt zaps xzcvczx with a high voltage cattle prod Oct 01 13:17:17 :D Oct 01 13:17:39 * CM lets apt do all his dirty work Oct 01 13:17:42 66 of 4837 :S Oct 01 13:17:56 * CM is Running task 248 of 4823 Oct 01 13:18:18 Hmm.. I have 14 less. Strange Oct 01 13:18:29 weird Oct 01 13:18:31 * CM guesses it's the disabled locales Oct 01 13:18:43 * fgau NOTE: Running task 2505 of 4837 Oct 01 13:18:44 hmmm i wish i could draw decent pictures on computer Oct 01 13:19:01 w00t 69 Oct 01 13:33:33 without locales disabled, it hangs (100% CPU) on es_NI Oct 01 13:36:40 ? Oct 01 13:36:48 are you all rebuilding from scratch? Oct 01 13:37:11 this is my first build since a cpu change in the host Oct 01 13:37:26 ScaredyCat: yes Oct 01 13:37:41 did you break something? Oct 01 13:39:22 yes, I wasn't getting dbus-uuidgen into the fs. without it, there is no /var/dbus/machine-id, and the system hangs Oct 01 13:39:40 ok, but that was fixed no? Oct 01 13:39:48 when? Oct 01 13:39:53 it happened on the 29th, but is ok for 30th Oct 01 13:40:17 i've had no joy all weekend Oct 01 13:40:38 either buiding from scratch or using an existing build Oct 01 13:40:48 neither Oct 01 13:40:59 grrrrrr f'ing qemu Oct 01 13:40:59 mmmm... I got a report of problems on my qtopia image, tried it out got that message (dbus no mac id) so rebuilt it and it's fine Oct 01 13:41:25 you could try my openmoko image from 30th to be sure if you like (non-qtopia) Oct 01 13:41:37 anyhow, a clean build (with locales) haves the CPU on es_NI Oct 01 13:41:44 hangs Oct 01 13:41:53 turn of locales Oct 01 13:42:01 ok Oct 01 13:42:15 ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" Oct 01 13:42:21 in your local.conf Oct 01 13:42:22 has anyone determined how to remove qemu entirely? Oct 01 13:43:16 DukeOfURL: lol could be useful never compiles nicely for me Oct 01 14:08:41 ScaredyCAt Oct 01 14:09:02 you wrote in a wiki to wget directly from the neo Oct 01 14:09:22 thats wonderful - but i cant get that kind of routing working Oct 01 14:09:36 openmoko: 03chris * r3064 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (ChangeLog libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c): Oct 01 14:09:36 openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c: Oct 01 14:09:36 openmoko: Fix sometimes missing button-release events, fix when the clicked Oct 01 14:09:36 openmoko: child window is destroyed while scrolling, don't send click inside Oct 01 14:09:36 openmoko: the child when the widget has scrolled Oct 01 14:10:01 what did you do to establish that connection to the internet from the neo? Oct 01 14:10:17 Ralph: What distro are you on? Oct 01 14:10:47 CM distro? Oct 01 14:10:59 I mean on your pc. Ubuntu? Oct 01 14:11:08 oh - yes ubuntu Oct 01 14:11:48 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Proxying_DNS_requests Oct 01 14:16:09 ok thx CM Oct 01 14:16:16 :) Oct 01 14:25:28 hi Oct 01 14:41:35 Got a clean compile, and the phone boots. However, the GSM icon shows a connections, but there is no SIM card... Oct 01 14:41:55 s/connection/connection/ Oct 01 14:41:58 DukeOfURL: free phone calls :-D Oct 01 14:42:02 yea Oct 01 14:42:20 booting now w/ SIM Oct 01 14:43:14 with Qtopia, I was able to make calls. However, if the phone lost the GSM connection, it would have to be rebooted (I'm in a fringe reception area). Oct 01 14:45:26 With OM build, the GSM icon shows a connection, but the dialer says "waiting on registration" Oct 01 14:46:59 Has any work been done to get OpenMoko working with SIP providers? Oct 01 14:47:40 latency over GPRS is high (2000ms+). Would cause problems in VoIP call. Oct 01 14:48:08 worse than talking over a satellite connection Oct 01 14:48:53 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Press_Coverage]] [[Talk:Carriers/ATT]] Oct 01 14:49:08 2000ms is pretty pathological even for gprs, mind you Oct 01 14:49:21 still, I agree that voip over gprs is a no-no Oct 01 14:50:26 but again, voip over wifi when available will be very useful for some Oct 01 14:50:41 in a push-to-talk environment it might work: "did you copy, over" Oct 01 14:51:12 yeah ptt is quite feasible; they're like voice text messages :] Oct 01 14:52:24 * DukeOfURL wonder about % of dropped UDP packets in GPRS... Oct 01 14:52:58 I guess it varies a lot, but it's high for sure Oct 01 14:53:14 In fact, why would a GPRS operator allow UDP at all? Oct 01 14:53:34 I'm unsure inbound will get through many firewalls. Oct 01 14:53:43 mine allows ICMP and UDP Oct 01 14:53:45 well, if you send more packets than there's bandwidth, _then_ it's high for sure :] Oct 01 14:53:53 yup Oct 01 14:53:59 XorA: inbound? Oct 01 14:54:01 No NAT? Oct 01 14:54:14 SpeedEvil: never tried Oct 01 14:54:18 Oh - right, I see. Oct 01 14:54:26 yeah - ping works from mine too. Oct 01 14:54:27 outpund they go fine Oct 01 14:54:32 does the phone get a public IP from the operator? Oct 01 14:54:41 DukeOfURL, depends Oct 01 14:54:54 on the operator? Oct 01 14:54:58 SpeedEvil: those people on "vpn" contracts both ways must work Oct 01 14:55:08 Unless htey are tcp voip Oct 01 14:55:09 DukeOfURL, of course Oct 01 14:56:37 an RTP stream over TCP would also be a problem. there i no reason to do error detection and correction because the corrected packet will arrive out of sequence Oct 01 14:56:44 there is Oct 01 14:56:58 out of seq time wise Oct 01 14:57:10 I've only done rtp streaming over umts, and even with good signal strength we had around 30% package loss Oct 01 14:57:19 ouch Oct 01 14:57:35 mobile apps should probably assume the worst, of course, and be ready for circumstances where they can only do outbound connections with nat, providing for lots of fun proxy needs Oct 01 14:57:37 if i lost 30% of my package Oct 01 14:57:40 i'd be saying ouch too Oct 01 14:57:44 DukeOfURL: as mjr has already mentioned, there will be wifi on the next version. Oct 01 14:57:46 :P Oct 01 14:58:18 still, there is no QoS on the upstream radio link Oct 01 14:58:22 DukeOfURL: The other thing that I would be interested in, is sending SMS over GPRS, for example TruPhone supports SMS over the VOIP infrastructure, which is substantially cheaper under some circumstances Oct 01 14:58:44 ScardyCat? - HELP! Oct 01 14:58:48 http://rafb.net/p/Pfi3wc31.html Oct 01 14:58:51 wibbit, indeed Oct 01 14:59:12 i am busy connecting my neo to the internet Oct 01 14:59:23 but somehow that forwarding dont work Oct 01 14:59:54 link above shows what there is no error - but no result also Oct 01 14:59:55 wibbit: sending SMS text using SIP messaging? Oct 01 15:00:23 mjr: needless to say, I've spoken to TruPhone, to see if they have any intention of supporting the Neo1973/OpenMoko and they chose not to see my message :\ Oct 01 15:00:26 DukeOfURL: Yup Oct 01 15:00:41 my SIP pc-to-phone provider is apparently planning to start offering SMS Oct 01 15:00:46 diamondcard, it was Oct 01 15:01:41 DukeOfURL: Yeppers Oct 01 15:02:22 Sigh. Why in the name of all that is good is the OpenMoko build now building *** orinoco *** drivers?????? ???? Oct 01 15:03:27 Sheesh. Let's just dump all the dependency stuff, google for every bit of source code on the internet, and build it all?? :D Oct 01 15:04:15 And yeah, lack of qos with wifi is a small issue, but usually not that biggie, what with bandwidth not being so limited. May become an issue of course if too many users are on an access point. Oct 01 15:05:05 mjr: go to your local Starbucks during busy time and try VoIP from a softphone. Oct 01 15:05:27 we don't have starbucks, but I get your point Oct 01 15:05:54 mjr: then how do you get through the day? :-) Oct 01 15:06:05 when the latency starts to jump around, voice isn't going to work Oct 01 15:06:05 especially now that all the yuppies with the iphones will be downloading itunes for free at the starbucks, as they suck on their double-mocha frappa-cuppa-chinni grande latte. Oct 01 15:06:26 high pressure air into my nose during the night Oct 01 15:06:34 CPAP? Oct 01 15:06:43 yes Oct 01 15:07:05 I live at 8000'. CPAP is good. Oct 01 15:07:15 brings it down to sea level Oct 01 15:07:27 anyway, at home and (some) workspaces voip over wlan may be kept feasible Oct 01 15:07:48 places Oct 01 15:08:11 with SMS over SIP, it's still a push connection down to the phone. won't work without a public IP Oct 01 15:08:24 and some way to register the IP with the SMS server Oct 01 15:08:52 could do SMS with HTTP transaction just as well Oct 01 15:09:26 and HTTP uses TCP. SIP uses UDP Oct 01 15:09:28 SIP should nowadays be workable from behind nat, provided of course you register on some sip provider's account Oct 01 15:10:26 yes, but SIP has major problems with NAT. It sends the local (private) address in the packet payload, and NAT never sees it. Oct 01 15:11:08 do we know anything about future devices? I see the thing about GTA02, but has there been anything about devices > GTA02? Oct 01 15:11:18 ever hear of IAX (thank you Mark Spencer)? no NAT problems. Oct 01 15:11:19 which can be worked around Oct 01 15:11:27 DukeOfURL: doesn't iptables have a SIP conntrack module? Oct 01 15:11:28 yes I know IAX Oct 01 15:12:07 Vegar: don't know. with Asterisk we're able to manually set the address in the payload. Oct 01 15:12:16 ok Oct 01 15:12:33 brb Oct 01 15:12:59 ScaredyCat: Anything interesting update in your qtopia image from 27th to 30th ? Oct 01 15:14:16 (and actually my sip provider apparently supports iax as well, but I've never tried to connect with that) Oct 01 15:17:55 actually sip uses tcp or udp Oct 01 15:18:04 asterisk only uses udp though Oct 01 15:18:23 sannes: some minor fixes it looks like Oct 01 15:20:56 ScaredyCat: Ever tried to press "Key Lock" from the bottom menu .. hehe, that was a bit entertaining .. hope it is fixed, in your newest image there .. hm, but I have to switch back to openmoko to test some gtk code .. hehe Oct 01 15:22:32 I skipped the most of disucission above, but there exist SIP-TCP and SIP proxy servers Oct 01 15:22:44 to make SIP work even without public IP and UDP Oct 01 15:23:04 (been there, done that) Oct 01 15:23:58 ? Oct 01 15:24:04 what was the prob sannes? Oct 01 15:24:44 SIP has always been tcp capable... Oct 01 15:25:09 keylock works for me sannes Oct 01 15:25:42 it works better now Oct 01 15:26:26 you get to use the proper keypad Oct 01 15:27:42 ScaredyCat: It kept flashing on and off with the message that I should press unlock and then * .. Oct 01 15:28:14 ScaredyCat: of course between the flashing on and off I could still use the interface .. hehe Oct 01 15:28:26 mmm... must be better then :) Oct 01 15:29:01 I pless keylock , it puts a padlock in the top title bar.. and the menu option changes to unlock Oct 01 15:29:19 press it and you get the big keypad, asks you to press * Oct 01 15:30:43 hehe, now it just keeps crashing .. hehe :P Oct 01 15:31:26 http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/10/01/hd_launches_touch_dual/ Oct 01 15:32:31 http://rafb.net/p/Pfi3wc31.html Oct 01 15:32:46 i am busy connecting my neo to the internet but somehow that forwarding dont work link above shows what there is no error - but no result also Oct 01 15:39:24 hi Oct 01 15:40:01 i am typing thisn my neo ;} Oct 01 15:40:37 as you can see it is pretty slow Oct 01 15:40:43 heh Oct 01 15:44:34 RalphEichelberge: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward=1? Oct 01 15:44:57 Hello an good =) Oct 01 15:45:07 ~ugt Oct 01 15:45:09 i guess ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Oct 01 15:45:30 (XorA types faster than I :) ) Oct 01 15:45:57 nice - you never stop learning ... ;-) Oct 01 15:46:03 So then, good morning ;-) Oct 01 15:46:46 did anyone by chance read the questions I sent to openmoko-devel some time ago? Oct 01 15:47:35 "App design questions"? Oct 01 15:50:18 Hallo Jens, Oct 01 15:50:19 ich hab natürlich vergessen, den Reiseantrag zu schreiben. Wir hatten ja kurz über den Traceability-Workshop in Darmstadt gesprochen. Der ist am 12.10. Oct 01 15:50:19 Ich hab den jetzt noch fertig gemacht. Dein Einverständnis vorausgesetzt würde ich den diese Woche noch ans Dekanat geben. Theoretisch müsste der auch ohne Deine Unterschrift durchgehen, weil der Dekan den ja auch unterschreibt... Oct 01 15:50:19 Wär das ok? Oct 01 15:50:20 Gruß Oct 01 15:50:25 Sorry Oct 01 15:50:34 wrong window :-( Oct 01 15:52:13 * mwester does the happy dance, having once again beaten the odds and completed an OM build! Oct 01 15:53:08 when on a call, I hear a rushing sound in the background (like when the car window is open). does anyone else hear this? (T-Mobile) Oct 01 15:53:35 DukeOfURL: I get that on t-mobile UK even without Neo Oct 01 15:54:24 hurmph Oct 01 15:54:28 T-Mobile sucks :) Oct 01 15:54:30 openmoko: 03thomas * r3065 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/icons/openmoko-standard/32x32/stock/ (13 files): * Add new 32x32 stock icons Oct 01 15:54:34 * wibbit wanted to be helpful Oct 01 15:54:43 all US operators suck Oct 01 15:54:46 heh heh data is cheap though Oct 01 15:55:01 USD40/mo is cheap? Oct 01 15:55:16 GBP 7.50 a month Oct 01 15:56:19 huH? Oct 01 15:56:34 $40 ~=£20 Oct 01 15:58:26 woohoo...build complete Oct 01 15:58:35 * Sup3rkiddo distributes beer to everyone Oct 01 15:58:57 AT&T "unlimited" data is USD60 Oct 01 15:58:58 i have a build error Oct 01 15:59:12 pkg-config doesnt think there is a webkitgtk package Oct 01 15:59:33 No package 'WebKitGdk' found Oct 01 15:59:42 so Oct 01 15:59:53 i'm using mokomakefile Oct 01 16:00:18 wasn't that patched yesterday? Oct 01 16:00:33 wasn't what patched? mokomakefile? Oct 01 16:02:31 it is openmoko-feedreader2 taht failed to build Oct 01 16:03:59 orzo, mine built without a hitch,,,you did the usual, make update;make setup ...etc routine Oct 01 16:04:10 ya Oct 01 16:04:18 well i did make clean first Oct 01 16:04:47 orzo: that was fixed since you last synced up with the OE repository. Oct 01 16:04:59 i synced yesterday Oct 01 16:05:02 Yes. Oct 01 16:05:07 heh Oct 01 16:05:08 ok Oct 01 16:06:47 Hmm... Is anyone working on a SIP client? Oct 01 16:07:55 openmoko: 03thomas * r3066 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/icons/openmoko-standard/48x48/stock/ (13 files): * Add new 48x48 stock icons Oct 01 16:09:09 ...man, the happiness that i got when the build went without problems beats the feeling i got when i got dumped by my X =) Oct 01 16:10:25 sparq, some notes have been made here on intending to add that Oct 01 16:10:36 ahem sorry... that's what I meant http://de.pastebin.ca/720570 Oct 01 16:11:11 mjr: yep, I've been looking at scrollback. Oct 01 16:11:39 mjr: Would it be a client application, like a port of Ekiga, or would it be inegrated into the dialer app? Oct 01 16:12:16 I assume that leaset cost routing would need some sort of integrated SIP client. Oct 01 16:15:52 It's too bad Ekiga is sort of monolithic Oct 01 16:18:16 the spesific thing I was talking about involved gsmd integration Oct 01 16:24:52 mjr: Hmm... I guess if gsmd were the SIP platform, it might be a little miss-named. ^_^ Oct 01 16:29:59 indeed Oct 01 16:31:54 theres what seems to be a fairly flexible SIP stack called pjsip... Oct 01 16:32:15 http://www.pjsip.org/ this could be useful... Oct 01 16:44:53 wtf... Oct 01 16:44:54 does linux on the neo1973 run in big endian mode? Oct 01 16:45:12 * ScaredyCat laughs at some of the stupid review comments... Oct 01 16:45:37 ScaredyCat, where? Oct 01 16:46:26 on our shop Oct 01 16:46:33 they just don't make sense... Oct 01 16:46:36 soem Oct 01 16:46:37 some Oct 01 16:47:11 'Prices are too high, but I couldn't find it cheaper anywhere else' Oct 01 16:47:23 ScaredyCat, where? Oct 01 16:48:04 * cb22_ doesnt see them anywhere Oct 01 16:49:13 metoo Oct 01 16:49:29 eh? Oct 01 16:49:38 * ScaredyCat doesn't work for fic Oct 01 16:49:57 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[FreeBSD]] [[User:PTT]] [[Wishlist:Expansion_Back]] [[Wishlist_-_Hardware_-_Novel_Devices]] [[Talk:Hardware:Keyboards]] Oct 01 16:50:40 it was OT ... jst ignore me Oct 01 16:58:24 * sparq bookmarks pjsip.org Oct 01 16:59:45 * CVirus checks his clock for the Neo1973 release date Oct 01 17:03:58 sweet! pjsip has python bindings! Oct 01 17:09:14 http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/01/nokia-unlocks-anti-apple-campaign/ Oct 01 17:09:32 shouldn't we do one with neo and nokia ;) Oct 01 17:44:25 Any_Key: http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/ts_harvest.out and http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/ts_print.txt Oct 01 17:44:43 Any_Key: The negative values when tracing around the edge is a bit weird Oct 01 17:50:05 moin Oct 01 17:55:27 Sad to see that uimoc4 still fails after so many weeks being a known bug :-/ Oct 01 18:16:36 (script) openmoko-community: Sean Moss-Pultz Please welcome Graeme Gregory Oct 01 18:17:21 XorA: heh, now you lost. Say goodbye to your spare time. ;) Oct 01 18:18:05 Anybody willing to trade their Neo for a fully functioning Nokia 3360? Oct 01 18:18:56 * cb22_ laaughs at dTx :) Oct 01 18:19:01 ahahah Oct 01 18:19:02 :) Oct 01 18:19:08 3360 it's so robust Oct 01 18:19:11 i had one Oct 01 18:19:14 yeah Oct 01 18:19:17 well is still have it Oct 01 18:19:30 I drop kicked this thing (accidentally of course) and it still works great Oct 01 18:19:36 haha Oct 01 18:20:23 it's just dismissed. Btw that one was stamp out by a car Oct 01 18:20:25 has someone a Neo advanced ? Oct 01 18:20:28 btw it still working Oct 01 18:20:46 awesome Oct 01 18:22:22 I was hoping this phone would be out in time for my b-day, the 13th Oct 01 18:22:31 but it looks like that is a no go Oct 01 18:25:44 ppft, motorola international 3300 is where it's at Oct 01 18:26:07 friend of mine still has one. and it still works. though the nicad batteries don't last so long any more... Oct 01 18:26:48 can't remember whether the disassembled battery pack contains 3 or 4 'C' cells Oct 01 18:28:47 I've had this phone for 5 years and it has survived drops in water/water rides, many drops on concrete and it still works like when I got it Oct 01 18:29:05 amazingly enough Oct 01 18:29:46 is the phone out of stock? Oct 01 18:30:00 I dunno Oct 01 18:30:05 Its not very featureful though Oct 01 18:30:11 Just a simple dumb phone Oct 01 18:30:22 With basic WAP browser/etc. Oct 01 18:30:32 no MP3 Oct 01 18:30:34 just MIDI Oct 01 18:31:00 oh I suppose you are talking about the Neo Oct 01 18:31:01 haha Oct 01 18:31:09 I think they are out of stock Oct 01 18:31:46 XorA: Poor you.. We'll never stop picking your brain ;) Oct 01 18:46:59 Hi folks, is there a design for profile management? Oct 01 18:47:43 does the neo include a built in mic and speaker? Oct 01 18:47:53 yeah Oct 01 18:47:55 its a cell phone Oct 01 18:48:01 mic and speaker standard ;-) Oct 01 18:48:18 yes but somewhere says it includes headphones and mic (it thought external ones). Oct 01 18:48:58 that is included as well Oct 01 18:49:17 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Wish_List]] Oct 01 18:49:20 cool Oct 01 18:49:50 is the programming of the phone easy? i mean QT or alike...? Oct 01 18:50:32 the openmoko software is all gtk2+, but if you prefer QT there is also qtopia... Oct 01 18:50:34 GTK Oct 01 18:50:55 will QT libs fit alongside the standard OpenMoko install? Oct 01 18:58:12 XorA: Congrats! Oct 01 18:59:49 they will for sure on GTA02 Oct 01 19:00:51 when will be GTA02? Oct 01 19:01:28 topic Oct 01 19:01:40 ;-) Oct 01 19:03:52 i sure hope the suggestion of pre orders is taken up Oct 01 19:05:11 I have programmed a POS devide which uses a JTag, how useful can be for the NEO adv? Oct 01 19:07:54 You want the Neo to be a POS device? Oct 01 19:08:44 not really, but sounds a good idea Oct 01 19:09:09 I'd like to know how can the JTag be used in Neo? what for? Oct 01 19:09:39 openmoko: 03nbd * r3067 10/developers/nbd/patches/ (100-sdio_merge.patch 130-gta02v2.patch): fix sdio merge patch, add gta02 fix Oct 01 19:10:42 according to the wiki you only need it if you plan on changing u-boot Oct 01 19:11:34 or if you accidentally overwrite u-boot in a GTA01 :) Oct 01 19:13:59 ok the jtag is only for the debug board (the adv neo) or can be plugged also into the dev version? Oct 01 19:14:34 what? Oct 01 19:15:32 the Neo itself is the same in the adv kit as in the regular kit, correct? Oct 01 19:15:46 yes Oct 01 19:15:49 just adv. comes with the breakout board an jtag Oct 01 19:16:09 do you mean the cable or the inteface on the neo board? Oct 01 19:17:43 the jtag goes between the neo and the debug board, if that's what you're asking Oct 01 19:18:38 Hmm.. I wonder if it's a coincidence that Trolltech is opening qtopia more and more: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2981287645.html Oct 01 19:47:57 coinciding with what? Oct 01 19:48:51 Good evening. Oct 01 19:48:57 Elrond! Oct 01 19:49:03 LarstiQ - Hi! Oct 01 19:49:19 Elrond: been a while, how are you? Oct 01 19:49:36 I'm fine. Just back from holidays. :) Oct 01 19:49:36 CM: trolltech is trying hard to get developers for free.... Oct 01 20:02:30 emdete: thats a step in the right direction, it used to be you had to pay 700$ for the privilege ;) Oct 01 20:05:40 it seems that trolltech is afraid that openmoko will become more widely spread? Oct 01 20:07:10 emdete: *nod* Oct 01 20:09:46 buz: neo isn't much better, okay the privilege is a little chaeper... Oct 01 20:10:31 problem is you can't copy hardware like software - hardware always costs per unit ;) Oct 01 20:10:52 even costs to dispose Oct 01 20:11:09 edistar_: Or maybe they worry about gtk getting more commonly used on phones Oct 01 20:11:18 i think it's that Oct 01 20:11:46 qt has been way ahead, but it doesn't have any community backing Oct 01 20:11:47 of course, that's because of the lgpl Oct 01 20:12:07 i dont think many people would bother with gtk if it wasnt lgpl Oct 01 20:12:21 buz: Not many companies at least Oct 01 20:12:24 yeah Oct 01 20:12:32 not sure if there are many individuals developing gnome Oct 01 20:12:39 there certainly are in kde land Oct 01 20:12:55 I think there's quite a few Oct 01 20:13:15 people willing to work with a toolkit for free is always a good sign Oct 01 20:13:17 Lots of students and grad students at least Oct 01 20:13:57 Well, there's been complaints on the list that there's still not enough external patches and bugfixes for gtk+ Oct 01 20:14:05 *lists Oct 01 20:14:18 i'd venture to guess that there are very few of those for qt ;) Oct 01 20:14:23 Maybe not complaints, but "how can we make this more attractive" Oct 01 20:14:24 Hehe Oct 01 20:14:50 in some way the qt development model is closer to *bsd than to linux Oct 01 20:25:30 do you think openmoko would have used qt if it had been freed earlier? Oct 01 20:25:44 qt was free already Oct 01 20:25:49 qtopia is a different thing Oct 01 20:26:11 and especially the qtopia mobile stack Oct 01 20:27:38 ah, I meant the gui toolkit.. because openmoko wanted to write their own mobile stack anyway, don't they? Oct 01 20:28:52 mksdjmks vjdkgk fjjtrf0304 Oct 01 20:29:34 ScaredyCat: Time for you to cut down on the booze a bit! :P Oct 01 20:30:13 * mwester gets out his secret decoder ring Oct 01 20:30:38 put your ring away mwester! Oct 01 20:31:16 CM: it was food crumbs Oct 01 20:32:21 ~seen ph5 Oct 01 20:32:25 ph5 was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 1d 1h 19m 39s ago, saying: 'good night'. Oct 01 20:49:17 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Montevideo]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Chicago]] Oct 01 21:12:58 jpcass: yes, pjsip rocks. I wish I had time to package it up in openmoko. Oct 01 21:25:47 Does the openmoko support glade Oct 01 21:31:07 * ScaredyCat notes new graphics... Oct 01 21:33:28 could somebody remove the games from the image, they're sort of addictive and impair my productivity ;) Oct 01 21:34:03 Lol Oct 01 21:34:42 Survival of the fittest. Those that can be productive will get paid, and will be able to feed themselves, and eventually reproduce -- the others will weed themselves out of the gene pool. :P Oct 01 21:35:35 * mwester 's theory on addictive computer games anyway. Oct 01 21:37:01 I haven't seen many days as quiet as this on OE and OpenMoko... did everyone go somewhere else and forget to tell us? Oct 01 21:37:50 they are all hiding from me :) Oct 01 21:38:35 i'm busily freaking out over my impending interview with $LARGE_COMPANY. Oct 01 21:38:58 Compuglobalhypermeganet? Oct 01 21:39:13 .com. :) Oct 01 21:43:45 gah! Oct 01 21:59:10 so... why does the Neo have 94 audio settings... Oct 01 21:59:28 Because 95 would have been too many. Oct 01 21:59:48 and 93 would just have been silly Oct 01 22:01:25 Kero: it seams the neo has a excelent sound hw... Oct 01 22:01:35 sure, now which of these 94 do I need to hear something from an incoming call... Oct 01 22:01:43 Love that startup sound! Oct 01 22:01:55 Kero: there are sample settings in /etc/alsa for each case Oct 01 22:02:36 Wait...alsa? Oct 01 22:02:52 Jon_yoosic: wait? whatfor? :) Oct 01 22:03:16 I have to use an alsa wrapper on qemu to get audio from an image that runs alsa anyway. Oct 01 22:03:33 gsmhandset.state Oct 01 22:03:59 Jon_yoosic: shure. inside and outside is different anyway Oct 01 22:04:28 On, I understand the reason for it. It just appears redundant is all. Oct 01 22:04:33 qemu emulates sound hardware inside which is used by linux's alsa drivers Oct 01 22:04:55 how do I oad such state? which is default? Oct 01 22:04:55 qemu uses outsode sound drivers to play that sound for u Oct 01 22:05:10 on a slightly different subject, did someone try playing with qemu and encrypted images? Oct 01 22:06:05 alsactl restore -f /etc/gsmheadset.state Oct 01 22:06:17 ...as an example Oct 01 22:07:01 and, sorry, yes it's not in /etc/alsa anymore. Oct 01 22:08:54 amazing :) Oct 01 22:09:45 so why is neither handset nor headset the default /etc/asound.state ? Oct 01 22:10:28 it is - on my images :) Oct 01 22:11:56 seems fine will try to call someone tomorrow. Oct 01 22:12:09 now only to figure out how to activate GPRS Oct 01 22:17:07 that looks quite a lot like pppd garbage on my screen, I think I found the APN already. sweet. Oct 01 22:18:29 how far is a gsmd w/ dbus along? Or do I have to write a wrapper AT -> dbus myself? Or ignore dbus... Oct 01 22:18:33 Kero: try out the stereo speaker with madplay & a mp3 file... amazing. this small device makes alot terror :) Oct 01 22:18:59 gsmd has it's own remoting... Oct 01 22:19:10 "remoting" ? Oct 01 22:19:26 it comes with a lib that u ca use Oct 01 22:19:32 s/ca/can/ Oct 01 22:19:34 emdete meant: it comes with a lib that u can use Oct 01 22:20:07 that lib gets in contact with the daemon Oct 01 22:20:19 lbgsmdtool you mean? Oct 01 22:20:25 yes Oct 01 22:20:40 oh, no, thats the tool - that uses the lib alos Oct 01 22:21:16 there is a lib called libgsmd Oct 01 22:21:22 but there's no point in letting three apps using one library :) Oct 01 22:21:36 why not? Oct 01 22:21:39 using system-dbus makes sense imho Oct 01 22:22:14 there was a discussion about that. in the en i as a developer dont care if it works and the api of the lib is clean Oct 01 22:22:18 what should the library do when three apps tell it to dial three numbers? Oct 01 22:22:38 dbus solves all race conditions there Oct 01 22:22:48 (I think) Oct 01 22:22:58 depends. very unusual case. more interesting would be if one sends a sms, another read contacts and the last issues a call Oct 01 22:23:26 again: i don't care how the developer solve their problems. as long as it works Oct 01 22:23:36 ah,bu I am such a developer :) Oct 01 22:23:48 u develop libgsmd> Oct 01 22:23:49 ? Oct 01 22:23:49 Kero: libgsmd should resolve race conditions. Oct 01 22:24:10 But frankly, libgsmd should vanish, and be implemented in-kernel. Oct 01 22:24:18 mwester: *if* it is a library, then it should Oct 01 22:24:20 ah :) Oct 01 22:24:39 Virtual tty devices should appear as necessary to support what the user wishes.. Oct 01 22:25:02 emdete: no, but I want something that talks from gsmd to apps and vice versa in a sane way. Oct 01 22:25:10 There is a skeleton to add gsmd as a line discipline, but that's all at this point. Oct 01 22:25:11 mwester: and how do i have to talk to those devices? AT command? Oct 01 22:25:22 so that I can do funky things with calls, depending on data in pim Oct 01 22:25:36 emdete: AT commands would be hidden. You would just open one up and run PPP on it. Oct 01 22:25:58 ...and use ppp to issue calls & sms? wow :D Oct 01 22:26:15 could it be you talk about gsm0710? Oct 01 22:26:17 :) of course not. Oct 01 22:26:26 You would run PPP for GPRS. Oct 01 22:26:32 ....and i talk about gsm0707 Oct 01 22:26:56 A different tty would support he dialer, and understand the subset of AT commands to dial, send tones, and do call management. Oct 01 22:27:06 Another tty or device would handle SMS traffic. Oct 01 22:27:47 Not unlike the current libgmsd Oct 01 22:27:49 mwester: as a app developer i would be more familar with a api... Oct 01 22:28:09 mwester: and the daemon disapears? Oct 01 22:28:31 IMO the existing role of the daemon disappears. Oct 01 22:28:52 But you would probably implement this with a user-space component, that would be best done as a daemon. Oct 01 22:29:37 hm... anyway i would be happy if that stuff would work relaiable one day Oct 01 22:29:43 BTW, you could have an API as well. The only purpose of the devices is really to provide an object to note an end-point for a specific type of traffic, or instance of a connection. Oct 01 22:30:29 But in the end, if we can't make it work with libgsmd in user-space today, we surely can't make it work with an in-kernel implementation. So this is all speculation and dreaming. Oct 01 22:31:24 :D yes, i wonder about this, that gsmd still does not work... whatever, i go to sleep. good night! Oct 01 22:35:42 gsmd works. out-of-kernel binary thingy. Is libgsmd open source? Oct 01 22:35:59 yes Oct 01 22:36:53 then I could add dbus o libgsmd myself, if need be :) Oct 01 22:55:05 who is familiar with dfu?.. Oct 01 22:55:05 MacintoshGeek: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Oct 01 22:55:39 need help..pls pm me.. Oct 01 22:57:16 Does the finger window allow for a filter menu? Oct 01 22:58:14 This looks good, does anyone know if it'll run OpenMoko? http://www.imcosys.com/html/smartphone1.html Oct 01 22:58:32 does anyone wish to assist with dfu mode on the iphone? Oct 01 22:58:33 y1101: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) Oct 01 22:58:43 XorA|gone: congrats! Oct 01 22:59:26 It is ARM based Oct 01 23:00:00 yes, it is arm based.. Oct 01 23:00:15 it's not so reliable?.. Oct 01 23:00:50 true. and uses arm trustzone Oct 01 23:01:01 maybe Oct 01 23:02:55 ok Oct 01 23:03:07 dude.. Oct 01 23:03:17 anybody can help us here?.. Oct 01 23:03:25 I'm looking for a new phone for my own use. I might as well try to buy one that is compatiblle. Oct 01 23:03:36 MacGeek what do you need help with? Oct 01 23:04:00 Just ask and provide as much info as you can (pastebin.com is a big help for logfiles and stuff) Oct 01 23:04:52 just want to de-encrypt dfu files for iphone... Oct 01 23:05:41 http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/iPhone/061-3883.20070927.In76t/iPhone1,1_1.1.1_3A109a_Restore.ipsw Oct 01 23:05:58 change the extension to .zip.. Oct 01 23:11:58 this is most certainly not an iphone help channel. Oct 01 23:12:53 pretty please? ;-) just kidding. fair enough reply! Oct 01 23:13:50 whats an iphone? Oct 01 23:15:31 / j #iphone ? Oct 01 23:16:19 nope.. Oct 01 23:16:42 ljp: its apple computers mobile phone.. Oct 01 23:17:05 *rolleyes* Oct 01 23:17:17 hahahahha Oct 01 23:17:18 Oh those guys -- they make the Apple Lisa, too, right? Oct 01 23:17:29 yeah Oct 01 23:17:33 in 80's Oct 01 23:17:42 where do you guys from?.. Oct 01 23:17:51 Yeah, didn't they xerox it from another company? Oct 01 23:17:52 The 80's. Oct 01 23:18:36 that's stupid microsoft.. Oct 01 23:18:50 theft! Oct 01 23:20:52 danger: danger: the reality distortion field is contageous! Oct 01 23:22:34 no, just the opposite. we want to free our iphones to be able to install openmoko on them! Oct 01 23:23:06 good luck. you need a lot more info than you have. :) Oct 01 23:23:40 huhuhu Oct 01 23:25:00 plodding along at irc.osx86.hu #iphone-dev . peace out. Oct 01 23:25:27 yeah..peace out.. Oct 01 23:28:32 wow.. dude.. the colors! Oct 01 23:28:52 * ljp fixes qtopia audio handling Oct 01 23:36:55 ScaredyCat: how do you compile your qtopia images? My attempts to build them always fail at the same point, and it seems I'm misincluding something (so my hacked-up recipe is probably incorrect) Oct 02 00:15:00 | checking for WEBKITGDK... configure: error: Package requirements (WebKitGdk) were not met: Oct 02 00:15:28 looks like midori didn't catch up with the rename yet... that, or my 1-day-old build is out-of-date Oct 02 00:26:39 hey hey Oct 02 00:36:29 cesarb: I built OK just now. Oct 02 00:37:27 sagacis: perhaps you didn't feel like cleaning up your whole build and doing a full rebuild before going to work. Oct 02 00:41:35 Guess I'm just lazy. Oct 02 00:44:54 ok, filed 3096 Oct 02 00:49:56 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Unlikely]] [[Guitar_Tuning]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Ruggedized]] [[User_talk:Alessandro]] [[SettingsGUI]] Oct 02 00:52:00 hi all Oct 02 00:52:29 anyone happen to know about how kernel-module-* ipk's are generated? Oct 02 00:52:59 i haven't managed to sort it out yet Oct 02 00:54:10 They are built in the standard fashion, then there is special code in OE that sorts out the ko's to individual ipkgs. Oct 02 00:54:35 any idea where in OE that lives? Oct 02 00:55:03 i mean, it ought to be in the bitbake stuff somewhere, right? Oct 02 00:55:41 Start with the kernel recipe. openembedded/packages/linux/linux-openmoko_2.6.22.5.bb (or something similar, I'm typing from memory) Oct 02 00:55:49 i mean, it's really pretty magic; it's building and packaging things that aren't in the defconfig, so.. Oct 02 00:55:56 yeah Oct 02 00:56:08 I traced back up to the arch_kernel class Oct 02 00:56:10 Oh, its in the defconfig all right. Oct 02 00:56:18 .... Oct 02 00:56:39 Perhaps if you outline the problem you've encountered... Oct 02 00:56:53 ok, well, here goes Oct 02 00:57:11 after i finish with MokoMakefile, where does it put the image it built? Oct 02 00:57:13 i'm trying to get a usb camera working with the moko Oct 02 00:57:39 orzo: build/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01 Oct 02 00:57:56 mwester: i've gotten usb host working Oct 02 00:58:48 mwester: but the video drivers are (understandably) not included in the default kernel or modules Oct 02 00:58:59 Makes sense. Oct 02 00:59:09 orpheus: thanks Oct 02 00:59:29 i've tried just turning on v4l and it's usb drivers in the defconfig, but they don't get packaged Oct 02 01:00:01 probably because what i really need to be doing is making a kernel-module-usbvideo package Oct 02 01:01:17 but now i'm not real clear about how any of the kernel-module-* packages get built Oct 02 01:01:25 Which defconfig have you changed, how have you done the build after you made the change? Oct 02 01:02:06 \/openembedded/packages/linux/linux-openmoko/defconfig-2.6.22.5-fic-gta01, and yes Oct 02 01:02:19 i've rebuilt the kernel and uimage Oct 02 01:03:04 Did you bump the PR? Oct 02 01:03:21 ... Oct 02 01:03:25 urmm Oct 02 01:03:33 i'm gonna go with no Oct 02 01:03:53 ... what's the PR? Oct 02 01:04:34 aside from something else to put on the KernelHackingAndYou wiki page Oct 02 01:05:58 Package Revision, IIRC. Its a variable set inside the .bb file -- when you change something in the bb file, or something it depends upon (like the defconfig), you increment the PR. A full integer for a formal change (2->3), decimal for a local change (2->2.1). Oct 02 01:06:34 oh Oct 02 01:06:50 Bitbake will then see that the existing kernel work directory in build/tmp/work is outdated, extract a new set of sources (and put in your new defconfig), and build and stage that. Oct 02 01:07:02 this would probably keep me from having to -crebuild it Oct 02 01:07:38 Correct - you would do that when you wanted to start a package (or kernel, in this case) from scratch. Oct 02 01:07:44 There's a more efficient way. Oct 02 01:08:02 alrighty, well, that's handy to know Oct 02 01:08:26 cd build/tmp/work/fic-whatever-the-heck-it-is/linux-openmoko-lots-of-stuff/linux_2.6.22.5 Oct 02 01:08:56 Edit the ".config" or use "make ARCH=arm menuconfig" or whatever Oct 02 01:09:25 and then put it back as the defconfig Oct 02 01:09:51 then delete the stamp that tells bitbake that the kernel has already been compiled: rm build/tmp/stamps/fic-horrible-long-name/kernel-openmoko-whatever_do_compile. Oct 02 01:10:08 Then just build: bitbake kernel-openmoko Oct 02 01:10:08 is that how it knows? cool... Oct 02 01:10:34 And it'll compile it, then because the compile is newer, run the rest of the packaging. Oct 02 01:10:59 any ideas on how the kernel-module-* packages get built? Oct 02 01:11:25 since there is a graceful way to package modules like these, It'd be nice to do it that way Oct 02 01:11:48 They'll be packaged just by virtue of being created in the correct fashion. Oct 02 01:12:02 You'll see the kernel-module-.ipk files appear. Oct 02 01:12:11 really? wow Oct 02 01:12:23 * orpheus tries all of that in that exact order Oct 02 01:13:08 The only thing that might not be quite right, and I'm not sure where this is set, is if your kernel-module depends on something, like an external package such as the PVR card drivers depend on a separate firmware pacakge. Oct 02 01:13:28 it seems as though recently, the build/tmp/work/fic-whatever-the-heck-it-is/linux-openmoko-lots-of-stuff/linux_2.6.22.5 directory has been getting wiped out after the build is done, any ideas? Oct 02 01:13:40 There's actually a way, IIRC, that you can specify that dependency so that "ipkg install kernel-module-foo" will go download and install the firmware too. Oct 02 01:13:59 Ah - do you have that magic do-rm-work flag set? Oct 02 01:14:10 i suspect i do Oct 02 01:14:13 Saves disk space, but at a cost. Oct 02 01:14:25 make update may have changed it back Oct 02 01:14:27 Find it, and remove it -- after you upgrade your hard drive if necessary! Oct 02 01:14:32 heh Oct 02 01:14:46 I don't think the master makefile touches that status. Oct 02 01:15:54 well, thanks, and i'll probably be back in a sec with a result Oct 02 01:21:32 Makefile, under setup-config: "echo 'INHERIT += "rm_work"' >> build/conf/local.conf" Oct 02 01:43:13 If anyone is intrested I've got a workaround for the non-working dialtone for Qtopia on the neo at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Frma71 Oct 02 01:47:12 s/dialtone/ring signal/ Oct 02 01:47:13 frma71 meant: If anyone is intrested I've got a workaround for the non-working ring signal for Qtopia on the neo at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Frma71 Oct 02 01:47:30 I am just about to update the qtopia flash image Oct 02 01:47:57 because i fixed audiostate handling in qtopia today Oct 02 01:50:00 ljp: it'll probably break again as soon as you go on any sort of leave/vacation ;-) Oct 02 01:52:03 ljp: Arghhh, I knew it would happend the same day i put some effort into it. Oct 02 01:52:39 ljp: Any progress on the suspend stuff ? Oct 02 01:53:08 not yet, wanted to get audio working again first. :) Oct 02 01:53:09 ljp: Will that be part of tonights snapshot ? Oct 02 01:53:16 ljp: ok great ! Oct 02 01:53:19 yes, it should Oct 02 01:53:30 but I will also update the flash image as well Oct 02 01:54:33 ljp: great, but the flash image is built without mediaengines right ? Oct 02 01:54:44 ljp: the wiki points to http://www.qtopia.net/modules/devices/openmoko.php, be sure to update there Oct 02 01:54:45 cesarb: i dont have to go on holiday for it to break. you should have seen the theme yesterday Oct 02 01:56:01 frma71: wav ringtones should work regardless of mediaengine Oct 02 01:56:47 ljp: Yes, but the mediaplayer is kind of useless, or did I miss something ? Oct 02 01:57:47 well, I need to build/test gstreamer for qtopia really Oct 02 01:57:54 ljp: btw. How do I add my own application (separate binary) to the "Main Menu" Oct 02 01:58:45 it'ss need to be a .qpk on a http server and then install it from the package manager Oct 02 01:58:53 ljp: I've hacked a simple remote control for mythtv that I'd like to be able to start without ssh. Oct 02 01:59:20 ljp: Ok, is that the only way ? the package manager crashes, but my image is a couple of days old. Oct 02 02:00:42 hmm Oct 02 02:01:23 frma71: yes, basically thats the olnly way, as qtopia keeps the data in its db Oct 02 02:01:33 only Oct 02 02:02:15 havent really tested package manager without SXE Oct 02 02:02:21 i built the latest svn images Oct 02 02:02:27 well, since this morning Oct 02 02:02:36 should i flash them? Oct 02 02:02:46 i mainly did it in order to have a build environment Oct 02 02:03:14 Well of course - how else do you know if your build environment works? Oct 02 02:03:27 why wouldn't it work Oct 02 02:03:30 heh Oct 02 02:07:39 ljp: Hmmm... it downloads the package index, and I can choose install but then there is no confirm button and touching the menu crashes the package manager Oct 02 02:14:43 I"m having md5 problems with the packages I built. Oct 02 02:15:17 Does anybody else see that? Oct 02 02:21:34 ljp: Is the google sync implementation complete in qtopia ? Oct 02 02:25:03 * sagacis is giving up on updates and reflashing rootfs Oct 02 02:25:08 i'm not able to complete a build :-( i get at openmoko-devel-image-1.0-r0 do_rootfs: "ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-base: angstrom-version" Oct 02 02:37:26 my moko wont power on Oct 02 02:37:34 how long before i can flash it? heh Oct 02 02:38:17 orzo: Battery out/in, charging for 20min... Oct 02 02:39:04 Anyone knows how to trigger speed dial in qtopia ? Oct 02 02:39:31 no speed dial in qtopia for touchscreen only devices currently Oct 02 02:39:39 ljp: ok Oct 02 02:40:13 Install a keypad? Oct 02 02:47:44 nn Oct 02 02:49:16 (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Ruggedized]] [[Gsmd/document]] [[Wishlist:Unlikely]] [[Frma71]] Oct 02 02:54:38 My recent images are locking up. I'm rebuilding all now. Oct 02 02:55:04 sagacis: wow, you simply do not have luck with your builds, eh? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Oct 02 02:59:57 2007