**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 05 02:59:57 2007
Oct 05 03:00:17 <raster> no idea
Oct 05 03:00:25 <sagacis> At least give us a real status update.
Oct 05 03:00:29 <orospakr> mwester, I assume you refer to the major SIM card compatibility problem?
Oct 05 03:00:34 <raster> but the gps was a sore point on the gta01
Oct 05 03:00:41 <raster> and thats being opened up for the 02
Oct 05 03:00:46 <orospakr> s/was/is/
Oct 05 03:00:48 <raster> so - fix.
Oct 05 03:00:49 <mwester> orospakr:  They already have maximum wrath, since they are now owned by Broadcom -- and Broadcom is generally reviled for very poor open-source relations.
Oct 05 03:01:21 <mwester> orospakr:  The sim problem is probably the largest issue to the US users, but the GPS issue is worldwide.
Oct 05 03:02:03 <orospakr> mwester, huh, I thought the SIM issue applies to any SIM card manufactured in, like, this millennium.
Oct 05 03:02:18 <mwester> Yep, the 02 should have all of this fixed.  And I'll have fun with the 01 even if it never gets a working GSM modem or a working GPS driver, but it would be much MORE fun if that would work on the 01, as I expected it to.
Oct 05 03:02:27 <sagacis> orospakr: As far as I know, only AT&T 3G sim cards.
Oct 05 03:02:37 <mwester> orospakr:  I thought that the SIM issue was only AT&T sims?
Oct 05 03:02:43 <orospakr> hm.
Oct 05 03:02:56 <orospakr> perhaps that is not my problem then: I have a Rogers SIM card from 2005 that won't register.
Oct 05 03:03:12 <orospakr> the modem stops reponding and is declared dead by gsmd.
Oct 05 03:03:20 <sagacis> could be the same, if they used the same handshaking.
Oct 05 03:03:26 <raster> orospakr: i haven't heard of that, but peolpe do have it working. i suspetc its something specific that never was tested as such sim cards were not in asia or taiwan at least, and given the tiny team it's not like there is a mountain of sims from every possible provider to test :)
Oct 05 03:03:33 <Henryk> mwester: yes, I was kind of unpleasantly suprised when I noticed that global locate is now broadcom. I have bad memories with broadcom and netgear WGT634U linux (looking back in web.archive.org on the original vendor's site you see something like: "this is our cool product, we'll give you the docs in two weeks time, only need to clean it up", then "we have been acquired by broadcom", and after that only the broadcom pages with absolutely no informati
Oct 05 03:03:33 <Henryk> on whatsoever)
Oct 05 03:03:38 <mwester> I wish there was a way to identify if a SIM is subject to the problem or not...
Oct 05 03:04:22 <raster> plug it in and see
Oct 05 03:04:23 <raster> :)
Oct 05 03:05:40 <Henryk> raster: mountain of sims? you mean like http://nibbler-on-the-run.blogspot.com/2007/07/cardz-just-wanna-have-fun.html and http://nibbler-on-the-run.blogspot.com/2007/07/sims_535.html ? ;-)
Oct 05 03:07:24 <orospakr> hm. I just tried another *really old* SIM I have, and it dies the same way.
Oct 05 03:07:32 <orospakr> perhaps the 3G problem is *not* the issue I'm having.
Oct 05 03:08:28 <raster> Henryk: heheheheh
Oct 05 03:09:00 <orospakr> dangit, I wish I kept that file when I had the chance.
Oct 05 03:09:05 <Henryk> orospakr: yes, this pronouncing dead by gsmd is a typical failure mode, occuring quite often, even with working sims. I only looked at it like 2 months ago and there the best solution was to restart gsmd
Oct 05 03:09:17 <orospakr> Henryk: done it many times.
Oct 05 03:13:05 <sagacis> Awwww.... 
Oct 05 03:13:21 <sagacis> raster, add "Fix prboom" to your todo list.
Oct 05 03:13:52 <raster> that... i am not doing
Oct 05 03:13:53 <raster> :)
Oct 05 03:14:18 <raster> games are not... necessary at this stage :)
Oct 05 03:14:31 * mwester agrees with raster!
Oct 05 03:14:36 <sagacis> I'm just trying to find something that will work.... 
Oct 05 03:14:40 <sagacis> It almost built.
Oct 05 03:14:42 <raster> especially doom clones
Oct 05 03:14:48 * mwester suggests that sagacis purchases a Wii
Oct 05 03:14:54 * sagacis has a wii
Oct 05 03:14:57 <sagacis> :D
Oct 05 03:15:00 * orospakr will probably try to get srb2.org to run on the Neo at some point
Oct 05 03:16:46 <Quicksand> Hey all.
Oct 05 03:17:46 <orospakr> Anyone have a first release P1/P0 and willing to share a file that is totally not gllin?
Oct 05 03:18:00 <Quicksand> Check it out -- I'm on IRC via Pidgin on my Neo. :)
Oct 05 03:18:08 <orospakr> Quicksand: heh, nice.
Oct 05 03:18:20 * orospakr is looking forward to Telepathy being integrated.
Oct 05 03:18:30 <Quicksand> It's very small.
Oct 05 03:18:39 <raster> telepathy works with irc?
Oct 05 03:18:46 <orospakr> raster: actually yes.
Oct 05 03:18:55 <raster> i tried empathy + telepath
Oct 05 03:18:55 <raster> nada
Oct 05 03:18:55 <orospakr> not used it myself, though.
Oct 05 03:18:57 <raster> nix
Oct 05 03:18:57 <sagacis> Quicksand:  It does work, tho.  I used XChat and PIdgin
Oct 05 03:19:01 <raster> doesnt work
Oct 05 03:19:06 <mwester> Quicksand:  USB networking or bluetooth?
Oct 05 03:19:12 <raster> well not irc
Oct 05 03:19:16 <Quicksand> usb
Oct 05 03:19:22 <sagacis> Quicksand: Be cool, use gprs!
Oct 05 03:19:37 <orospakr> I'm more thinking along the lines of writing a GSM connection manager for Telepathy, and actually using Telepathy for the telephony/messaging components of OpenMoko's UI.
Oct 05 03:19:50 <Quicksand> heh - no gprs on my prepaid sim!
Oct 05 03:19:56 <orospakr> I'm in Canada.
Oct 05 03:20:02 <orospakr> GPRS is punishable by death here.
Oct 05 03:20:20 <mwester> I thought Canada was too liberal for that
Oct 05 03:20:27 <mwester> :P
Oct 05 03:20:28 <orospakr> mwester, you'd think so, but...
Oct 05 03:20:36 <sagacis> orospakr, Down here, if you have a dataplan, AT&T will still charge you hundereds of $
Oct 05 03:20:45 <orospakr> sagacis: it's even worse here.
Oct 05 03:21:00 <orospakr> Rogers has a monopoly on GSM, and they have the worst rates in the world.
Oct 05 03:21:31 <sagacis> I'm sure we'll catch up with the behemoth AT&T recreated
Oct 05 03:21:33 <mwester> Rogers has a lot of monopolies.  Don't they own all the cable in Ontario and Quebec?
Oct 05 03:21:38 <Henryk> sagacis: BTW: scummvm runs just fine on the neo
Oct 05 03:21:47 <orospakr> mwester, not Quebec, but yeah, pretty much
Oct 05 03:21:56 <doc|home> fucking rogers
Oct 05 03:21:58 * doc|home spits
Oct 05 03:21:58 * orospakr intents to port gnuboy and do an onscreen touchpad for it.
Oct 05 03:22:03 <sagacis> Henryk: I'll have to look at it, but I've never used scummvm 
Oct 05 03:22:08 <orospakr> doc|home: as a neo owner, that's not so easy. :(
Oct 05 03:22:22 <doc|home> orospakr: I could imagine, 100$ for 1gb? fuck that
Oct 05 03:22:32 <mwester> I used to live in London, Ont. -- we had Rogers cable back then, nothing's changed I see.
Oct 05 03:22:35 <raster> orospakr: it makes sense as gsm voice/sms are basically subsets/similar to IM+voip etc.
Oct 05 03:22:42 <orospakr> doc|home: here, 1 GB would probably be several more orders of magnitudes worse than that.
Oct 05 03:22:42 <doc|home> and that's actually with bell, I forgot rogers' rates?
Oct 05 03:22:45 <xaid> especially since Rogers bought Fido :/
Oct 05 03:22:51 <orospakr> poor microcell :(
Oct 05 03:22:51 <Henryk> sagacis: http://www2.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~ploetz/DSC01451.JPG
Oct 05 03:22:59 <doc|home> orospakr: yeah, I was looking at bell.ca's rates today
Oct 05 03:23:20 * mwester has an unlimited plan with AT&T for his treo, but the fine print says they can still bill me if I violate their "fair use" policy.
Oct 05 03:23:21 <orospakr> doc|home: they're CDMA, not GSM.
Oct 05 03:23:52 <sagacis> Henryk: That will be good to show work-geeks. Does it come with the game?
Oct 05 03:24:04 <doc|home> orospakr: oh yeah, I know :)
Oct 05 03:24:08 <doc|home> bell suck even more than rogers
Oct 05 03:24:42 <Henryk> sagacis: no, you'll have to get that yourself (just follow orospakr's example :)
Oct 05 03:25:03 <orospakr> arrrrrr, me hearties.
Oct 05 03:25:05 <orospakr> :/
Oct 05 03:25:24 <sagacis> gotcha
Oct 05 03:26:47 <doc|home> orospakr: I almost wish the iphone would come to canada, just because it might force canadian telcos to get their shit together
Oct 05 03:26:52 <Quicksand> I just clicked on henryk's link, and it opened in midori.  Awesome. My old phone didn't do that!
Oct 05 03:27:40 <Henryk> hihi
Oct 05 03:28:19 <Quicksand> This is progress, folks.
Oct 05 03:28:21 <sagacis> Pidgin's cool
Oct 05 03:29:43 <Quicksand> Today hyperlinking, tomorrow the world^H^H phone calls
Oct 05 03:30:35 <Henryk> I can do phone calls just fine
Oct 05 03:32:21 <Quicksand> I can too, usually. But things are still a bit fiddly (panel, gsmd)
Oct 05 03:32:40 <orospakr> hm, I built from mokomakefile, but I don't appear to have a browser.
Oct 05 03:33:27 <Quicksand> make build-package-openmoko-browser2
Oct 05 03:33:32 <orospakr> ah.
Oct 05 03:33:45 <sagacis> not midori?
Oct 05 03:33:57 <Quicksand> it's not a default item
Oct 05 03:34:11 <Quicksand> midori is ok too
Oct 05 03:34:27 <orospakr> Quicksand: can I enable it for future builds, too?
Oct 05 03:34:31 <sagacis> Midori is not sized right, and uses different controls.
Oct 05 03:34:32 <orospakr> I don't want it to fall out of date.
Oct 05 03:34:42 <Henryk> or just webkit-gdklauncher, for the most minimalist
Oct 05 03:35:57 <Quicksand> look at the wiki pg on keeping your install up-to-date (it's on the 2007.2 pg)
Oct 05 03:36:23 <Quicksand> after you build something like the browser
Oct 05 03:36:49 <Quicksand> and install it via ipkg
Oct 05 03:37:17 <Quicksand> you can re-make it as you wish
Oct 05 03:37:42 <orospakr> Quicksand: I mean, I want it to get rebuilt whenever I do make update && make openmoko-devel-image
Oct 05 03:37:56 <orospakr> (if necessary, of course)
Oct 05 03:38:07 <sagacis> ... && make build-package-openmoko-browser2
Oct 05 03:38:43 <Quicksand> there is a way to do that, but i don't use the makefile
Oct 05 03:39:19 <Quicksand> i just bitbake stuff manually
Oct 05 03:39:23 <orospakr> sagacis: :P
Oct 05 03:41:00 <Quicksand> there's prolly details on el wiki somewheres
Oct 05 03:42:11 <Quicksand> gtg - 'nite
Oct 05 03:43:52 <Henryk> orospakr: http://bec-systems.com/web/content/view/59/9/ and http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-July/001043.html
Oct 05 03:44:16 <orospakr> thanks
Oct 05 03:45:18 <sagacis> OK, I'm back to an md5sum mismatch
Oct 05 03:45:55 <Henryk> I think there also was something about using quilt and adding to task-..., but I can't seem to find it
Oct 05 03:47:59 <Henryk> ah, of course, it's at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#Developing_with_MokoMakefile  where else ...
Oct 05 03:48:26 <sagacis> the neo calculates different md5sums than my host box
Oct 05 03:48:50 <Henryk> sagacis: it doesnt. instead it's using the md5sums downloaded by a previous update. do ipkg update again
Oct 05 03:49:29 <sagacis> Henryk: I grabbed the file and called "md5sum ...ipk" on it.  It's different between the two machines.
Oct 05 03:50:03 <Henryk> huh? copy it again
Oct 05 03:50:43 <sagacis> Copy works OK.  wget's messing me up.
Oct 05 03:50:55 <sagacis> wgetted files are corrupt.
Oct 05 03:51:23 <sagacis> I'm using apache to serve them.  Do I need to change something?
Oct 05 03:52:15 <sagacis> My apache used to work.
Oct 05 03:52:51 <cjb_ie> sounds like time to get busy with tcpflow and friends
Oct 05 03:53:12 <sagacis> Perhaps, but ipkg uses wget...
Oct 05 03:53:28 <sagacis> All other hosts work OK.  Just not mine.
Oct 05 03:53:30 <cjb_ie> i mean, to debug wget
Oct 05 03:53:41 <sagacis> Ah.  Well, not tonight.
Oct 05 03:53:46 <sagacis> It's way too late.
Oct 05 03:53:51 <cjb_ie> quite
Oct 05 03:54:00 <cjb_ie> it's 4:53am here :)
Oct 05 03:54:14 <sagacis> Wow.  You got me beat by 6 hrs.  England?
Oct 05 03:54:26 <cjb_ie> close. ireland.
Oct 05 03:54:47 <Henryk> It's time to get up soon
Oct 05 03:55:02 <cjb_ie> damn. i haven't got to bed yet. oh well.
Oct 05 03:55:05 <sagacis> Too bad. I wanted to get the new webbrowser and some other things installed before tomorrow...
Oct 05 03:55:24 <sagacis> Good night.
Oct 05 03:55:29 <cjb_ie> night
Oct 05 03:55:44 * cjb_ie envies sagacis' zzZzZzz 
Oct 05 04:04:09 <Henryk> oh, great. train drivers on strike
Oct 05 04:04:41 <Henryk> I'd better shower and leave now
Oct 05 04:06:01 <mwester> Henryk must be in DE.
Oct 05 04:15:42 <Henryk> Berlin, actually
Oct 05 04:55:17 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko:Community_Portal]] [[P1_Owners]]
Oct 05 04:56:02 <blindcoder> moin
Oct 05 04:56:03 <CM> orospakr: Did you find any cupcake? ;)
Oct 05 04:56:25 <orospakr> CM: nope, none at all.
Oct 05 04:56:55 <orospakr> however, if I do find some cupcake, I'll leave some on my windowsill. ;)
Oct 05 04:57:04 <CM> orospakr: Well, it's oabi anyway, so you'd have to make a chroot
Oct 05 04:57:16 <CM> pavelm listed the needed files in the wiki I think
Oct 05 04:58:15 <orospakr> yeah, I saw the blogpost about making the cake compatible with my newer-model easybake oven. ;)
Oct 05 04:58:51 <CM> Lets hope mickey|portugal can force them to get an eabi version out too anyway
Oct 05 04:59:18 * CM goes to work
Oct 05 04:59:35 <cjb_ie> god morgon
Oct 05 05:06:18 <Henryk> yepp, leaving now
Oct 05 05:23:07 <CM> cjb_ie: Good morning! :)
Oct 05 05:33:23 <CM> cjb_ie: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1473434928&size=o
Oct 05 05:35:15 <cjb_ie> CM: go raibh maith agat :)
Oct 05 05:37:18 <CM> hehe.. Say what? x)
Oct 05 05:37:48 <cjb_ie> tack så mycket :)
Oct 05 05:38:15 <orospakr> ugh, after all that, I don't think I was even able to get a GPS fix
Oct 05 05:38:40 <orospakr> http://pastie.caboo.se/103994
Oct 05 05:39:13 <orospakr> the fields in the NMEA data that I think are supposed to contain the latitude and longitude appear to be blank.
Oct 05 05:41:06 <cjb_ie> what kind of environment were you in? did you have good sky view?
Oct 05 05:41:51 <cjb_ie> some GPSes seem to absolutely refuse to get a fix unless they're standing still
Oct 05 05:42:10 <orospakr> both indoors and on the balcony.
Oct 05 05:42:19 <orospakr> stars were visible, northwards.
Oct 05 05:42:23 <cjb_ie> balcony south(*ish) facing?
Oct 05 05:42:33 <orospakr> northish, actulaly
Oct 05 05:42:39 <cjb_ie> (assuming you're in northern hemisphere)
Oct 05 05:42:43 <orospakr> yup.
Oct 05 05:42:44 <cjb_ie> what kind of latitude?
Oct 05 05:42:53 <orospakr> roughly 45
Oct 05 05:43:01 <orospakr> ottawa, canada.
Oct 05 05:43:08 <cjb_ie> how long did you stay out on the balcony?
Oct 05 05:43:16 <orospakr> not long. a minute.
Oct 05 05:43:27 <cjb_ie> you may just have been unlucky.
Oct 05 05:43:38 <orospakr> cjb_ie: does my log look consistent with no fix?
Oct 05 05:43:40 <cjb_ie> the azimuth of the satellite orbits is around 55 degrees
Oct 05 05:44:23 <cjb_ie> so if your sky view is facing north, there's only about a ten degree wide wedge of sky vertically upwards that might contain satellites
Oct 05 05:44:45 <cjb_ie> (spot the openstreemap geek...)
Oct 05 05:45:01 <orospakr> hm, OK.
Oct 05 05:45:56 <cjb_ie> that looks like no fix alright
Oct 05 05:47:35 <cjb_ie> i've been meaning to use nc to make a sort of pretend gpsd for xgps to connect to, so i can easily see what it thinks is the story
Oct 05 05:48:01 <cjb_ie> anyway. if the GPS hasn't been used before, it'll take roughly a minute just to get the almanac so it knows what satellites to look for
Oct 05 05:48:40 <cjb_ie> and once it's figured that out, it'll have a much much better chance of getting a fix with a view towards the equator
Oct 05 05:50:13 <sannes> Is there any ipkg installable gps software yet for the neo?
Oct 05 05:51:28 <rwhitby> morning
Oct 05 05:52:19 <CM> morning :)
Oct 05 05:53:07 * rwhitby is in Chicago
Oct 05 05:55:24 <cjb_ie> orospakr: anyway, i trust i haven't terminally depressed you :)
Oct 05 05:55:35 <orospakr> too late :P
Oct 05 05:55:46 <orospakr> I think I had this romantic idea that GPS actually works :)
Oct 05 05:56:21 <cjb_ie> orospakr: i note that it must have been seeing something at least. the timestamps in the log were from about 40 seconds before you pasted the link in?
Oct 05 05:56:47 <orospakr> hm, sounds about right
Oct 05 05:56:48 <cjb_ie> i forget how to parse the GPGSV lines which describe what satellites are in view
Oct 05 05:57:00 <orospakr> http://www.kh-gps.de/nmea-faq.htm
Oct 05 05:57:11 <orospakr> those *particular* lines might have been outdoor ones
Oct 05 05:58:12 <orospakr> s/outdoor/indoor/
Oct 05 05:58:13 <apt> orospakr meant: those *particular* lines might have been indoor ones
Oct 05 05:59:46 <orospakr> well, here it claims that there are *7* satellites in view.
Oct 05 05:59:54 <orospakr> you'd think that would be enough...
Oct 05 06:00:30 <cjb_ie> how long did it have those in view though?
Oct 05 06:01:15 <orospakr> the entire time, apparently -- the value does not fluctuate from 07.
Oct 05 06:01:37 <cjb_ie> but look at the null values (commas with no numbers in between)
Oct 05 06:01:59 <orospakr> yeah, SNR is null
Oct 05 06:02:08 <orospakr> which this doc claims means "not tracking"
Oct 05 06:03:08 <cjb_ie> it may be that the number in view == the number of satellites it reckons might be on the right side of the planet, and has configured receivers for
Oct 05 06:03:15 <cjb_ie> i.e. ones it's attempting to track
Oct 05 06:03:50 <cjb_ie> also, there's a behaviour i've noticed many times where a GPS needs to see an individual satellite for several (perhaps 30) seconds before it decides it's actually tracking it.
Oct 05 06:04:03 <orospakr> yeah, I gave it at least that long
Oct 05 06:04:07 <orospakr> oh well, I'll play with it more tomorrow
Oct 05 06:04:18 <cjb_ie> ...and that's _after_ receiving the almanac
Oct 05 06:04:29 <orospakr> where does the almanac come from?
Oct 05 06:04:42 <cjb_ie> it's downloaded from the satellites
Oct 05 06:07:23 <orospakr> thanks for the info, cjb_ie.
Oct 05 06:07:38 <cjb_ie> orospakr: where are you getting seven from btw? are you looking at a different log excerpt?
Oct 05 06:22:09 <RalphEichelberge> guten morgen#
Oct 05 06:22:21 * RalphEichelberge getting some coffe
Oct 05 06:22:29 * CM auch
Oct 05 06:23:37 <Henryk> Moin
Oct 05 06:24:40 <Henryk> hmm, Fun fact: you know that you left way too early for work when you arrive and the coffee shop is not yet open.
Oct 05 06:25:03 <CM> You have a coffee shop at work?
Oct 05 06:27:09 <Henryk> CM: university campus. there are actually two: one in this building and one in the building across the street
Oct 05 06:27:24 <CM> Ah, ok :)
Oct 05 06:28:01 <mbuf> CM, after using ntpd, output of 'date' is now ok; but, rebuilding gcc or icu didn't help; any suggestions?
Oct 05 06:28:51 <mbuf> http://pastebin.ca/726445
Oct 05 06:29:29 <CM> mbuf: I saw your mail to the ml, but no answers-- :(
Oct 05 06:29:51 <CM> mbuf: Maybe try rebuilding timezones?
Oct 05 06:30:23 <CM> I've been trying to remember what packages that were changed since it worked last time
Oct 05 06:30:45 <mbuf> CM, one Alessandro replied in PM, saying he faced the same error, and had to rebuild gcc; i tried that too; but, yes, rebuilding timezone is good suggestion
Oct 05 06:31:26 <CM> mbuf: Maybe you have to rebuild gcc, then glibc and icu again with the new gcc?
Oct 05 06:31:57 <mbuf> CM, i'll try, thanks
Oct 05 06:33:08 * CM remembers the old gentoo days when you had to start compiling gcc, then glibc, then gcc again to get maximum performance.
Oct 05 06:33:33 <CM> What madness... ;)
Oct 05 06:34:18 <mbuf> CM, timezone rebuilded cleanly now; but, will try to rebuild gcc -> glibc -> icu
Oct 05 06:35:35 * RalphEichelberge has coffee now and some bread 
Oct 05 06:36:23 <mbuf> CM, isn't there any other way of building a complete snapshot?
Oct 05 06:36:46 <RalphEichelberge> oh man, wanted to install that jalimo java on me neo using ipkg yesterday - but i just get strange errors
Oct 05 06:37:09 <RalphEichelberge> do anyone here has experience with that?
Oct 05 06:37:17 <bedboi> hi there.
Oct 05 06:37:19 <bedboi> any news so far?
Oct 05 06:37:30 <bedboi> i mean in the last week
Oct 05 06:38:51 <RalphEichelberge> well builds finaly work for doing phone calls - at least if you restart your gui after rebooting
Oct 05 06:39:06 <Henryk> ah, coffee, better.
Oct 05 06:39:22 <RalphEichelberge> java?
Oct 05 06:39:54 <Henryk> mbuf: easiest is make clean; make; (wait 10hours)
Oct 05 06:39:58 <CM> RalphEichelberge: I heard people discussing java in #oe, but it sounded like they thought it wasn't really usable yet
Oct 05 06:40:13 <CM> I'm more interested in trying out mono :D
Oct 05 06:40:21 <RalphEichelberge> mono?
Oct 05 06:40:29 <mbuf> Henryk, if this attempt fails, yes, that is my last option;
Oct 05 06:40:33 <RalphEichelberge> i heard of it but..?
Oct 05 06:40:55 <mbuf> Henryk, will need more than coffee though :)
Oct 05 06:42:01 <CM> RalphEichelberge: C# runtime and compiler
Oct 05 06:42:16 <RalphEichelberge> mbuf i now can just do "make update openmoko-devel-image" and volla! there is the newes build in minutes
Oct 05 06:42:41 <RalphEichelberge> oh CM: now i know where i heard about mono :)
Oct 05 06:42:50 <CM> RalphEichelberge: http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page
Oct 05 06:43:04 <Henryk> yes, we now have working mono recipes
Oct 05 06:43:13 <Henryk> gtk-sharp is upcoming.
Oct 05 06:43:16 <CM> Henryk: I know, thank you :)
Oct 05 06:43:18 <RalphEichelberge> but why would you be interested in a M$ propritary language?
Oct 05 06:44:00 <RalphEichelberge> thats fine - i am happy for you guys - BUT i need Java working
Oct 05 06:44:09 <CM> RalphEichelberge: It's a really nice language actually. Did my thesis work in it. Had mostly used c and java before :)
Oct 05 06:44:34 <Henryk> anybody know of a good application to test this with?  I tried and had bless (a hex editor) running, but it is kind of pointless on a 640x480 screen (e.g. there were only the menus and toolbars etc., no space left for actual editing)
Oct 05 06:45:18 <RalphEichelberge> the thing is - i got some description on howto install jalimo - but they stop by telling you how to setup ipkg
Oct 05 06:45:41 <Henryk> RalphEichelberge: hmm, what's the problem with java?  I had at least J2ME (phoneme) running
Oct 05 06:46:07 <RalphEichelberge> how did you do?
Oct 05 06:46:23 <RalphEichelberge> ipkg?
Oct 05 06:46:25 <mbuf> RalphEichelberge, my build was couple of weeks old; so i just tried updating it yesterday
Oct 05 06:46:55 <RalphEichelberge> mbuf - what happend?
Oct 05 06:47:44 <CM> RalphEichelberge: Something changed in the api with the libraries
Oct 05 06:47:59 <mbuf> RalphEichelberge, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-October/001584.html
Oct 05 06:48:29 <RalphEichelberge> well - i did my last make clobber 29 th Sep i guss
Oct 05 06:48:34 <RalphEichelberge> guess*
Oct 05 06:49:42 <Henryk> RalphEichelberge: Ah, I see. there's no OE recipe for a sun jdk.
Oct 05 06:50:13 <RalphEichelberge> mbuf - seem you have outdated libraries in you build
Oct 05 06:50:44 <abraxa__> sagacis|zzZzZzz: Sloppy playback on the media playback has been fixed (for me ;), I just need to get the changes to libgstmad into OE
Oct 05 06:50:52 <mbuf> RalphEichelberge, so "make clean; make" is best?
Oct 05 06:51:07 <RalphEichelberge> you could try to make clean-package-libicu - CM? what do you think?
Oct 05 06:51:34 <RalphEichelberge> mbuf - maybe you just have to update some libs
Oct 05 06:51:58 <RalphEichelberge> but make clobber and start all over is the easy way ;)
Oct 05 06:52:09 <mbuf> RalphEichelberge, CM suggested that yesterday, tried that, libicu builds fine afterwards, but, fails at icu
Oct 05 06:52:11 <Henryk> RalphEichelberge: I'd rather guess that there's a problem with some staged library or combination of libraries. unfortunately it's not easy to clean a package from staging
Oct 05 06:52:30 <RalphEichelberge> i know
Oct 05 06:53:03 <Henryk> RalphEichelberge: Note: rwhitby now added a clean target to MokoMakefile, so you don't need to make clobber
Oct 05 06:53:41 <mbuf> i keep traveling, so cannot keep doing updates often, for long hours :(
Oct 05 06:53:57 <RalphEichelberge> but you have to make updatemakefile ?
Oct 05 06:54:15 <Henryk> right
Oct 05 06:54:19 <abraxa__> mwester / sagacis: I would appreciate if you guys wouldn't bash away on the media player without reason - the performance problems stem from gstreamer, not my code.
Oct 05 06:54:53 <RalphEichelberge> mbuf - try to update you makefile and than just make update openmoko-devel-image
Oct 05 06:55:17 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Gsmd/document]]
Oct 05 06:55:39 <mbuf> RalphEichelberge, ok
Oct 05 06:56:30 <RalphEichelberge> make update-makefile && make setup update openmoko-devel-image 
Oct 05 06:56:42 <RalphEichelberge> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile
Oct 05 06:57:54 <RalphEichelberge> again Henryk - you got java running, right?
Oct 05 06:58:17 <RalphEichelberge> not C#
Oct 05 06:58:42 <Henryk> RalphEichelberge: only J2ME in phoneme, not J2SE
Oct 05 06:59:02 <RalphEichelberge> yeah, thats perfect -how did you do that?
Oct 05 06:59:02 <CM> abraxa__: I think mwester's comment about complaining on the car stereo when the car is without wheels and engine was fun.. ;)
Oct 05 06:59:20 <Henryk> RalphEichelberge: http://java-pkg.projects.openmoko.org/
Oct 05 07:01:33 <RalphEichelberge> Henryk - this side looks just empty to me
Oct 05 07:02:15 <Henryk> RalphEichelberge: http://projects.openmoko.org/scm/?group_id=9  the subversion tree contains a recipe for phoneme
Oct 05 07:02:41 <Henryk> (note that I only got directfb going, so you need to exit X in order to run it. oh, and no virtual keyboard)
Oct 05 07:08:14 <Hopscotch> good morning
Oct 05 07:08:16 <cjb_ie> ﺹ
Oct 05 07:08:27 <cjb_ie> erm, good morning
Oct 05 07:08:31 * bedboi is finally disgusted about developing
Oct 05 07:08:44 <bedboi> after 36/48 hours of devving
Oct 05 07:09:13 <Henryk> WTF? Google for java openembedded yields strange results. Apparently google noticed that openembedded commonly is abbreviated oe, so you'll get results about Java OEE. Oh, and of course the top result is the wikipedia article about "Java (ø)", where ø means "island", but also is a character descended from the "oe" diphtong
Oct 05 07:09:14 <CM> bedboi: developing what?
Oct 05 07:09:36 <CM> Henryk: *lol*
Oct 05 07:09:56 <CM> Sometimes google is just trying a bit too hard to be clever
Oct 05 07:14:27 <bedboi> a propose of google.... tomorrow i'll have the phone interview
Oct 05 07:16:20 <Henryk> hmm, the neo asked for the pin the last three times it booted, that's a good sign.
Oct 05 07:16:34 <RalphEichelberge> henryk - you installed that Snapshot -right?
Oct 05 07:16:49 <Henryk> (it would however be cool if the dialer application removed the pin from the display after clicking "send pin")
Oct 05 07:16:55 <Henryk> RalphEichelberge: which snapshot?
Oct 05 07:17:10 <RalphEichelberge> from that link you sent me
Oct 05 07:17:15 <CM> Henryk: Bug thos about that
Oct 05 07:17:21 <RalphEichelberge> cd
Oct 05 07:17:24 <mbuf> Henryk, it should not ask for the PIN, if AT+CPIN? returns READY
Oct 05 07:17:33 <RalphEichelberge> *g* wrong window
Oct 05 07:18:19 <Henryk> mbuf: sure it should ask for a pin, how would it register to the network otherwise
Oct 05 07:19:01 <RalphEichelberge> or there is no pin
Oct 05 07:19:12 <RalphEichelberge> if you deactivated your pin on the sim
Oct 05 07:19:26 <Henryk> which I didn't
Oct 05 07:19:52 <mbuf> Henryk, AFAIK, most SIMs or operators in India don't prompt for one
Oct 05 07:20:14 <mbuf> Henryk, saw couple of related posts similarily in the UK
Oct 05 07:20:23 <Henryk> mbuf: seems like a bad idea, but that's only me
Oct 05 07:20:33 <mbuf> Henryk, true
Oct 05 07:20:56 <CM> I've never had a sim pin either
Oct 05 07:21:07 <RalphEichelberge> there is a command that gives you the state of the sim
Oct 05 07:22:49 <Kero> how do I switch charging over USB *off* (laptop on battery should not be charging my Neo battery :)
Oct 05 07:27:44 <abraxa_> Kero: Over the u-boot console
Oct 05 07:28:41 <abraxa_> Kero: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/U-boot#Battery_charger_related
Oct 05 07:31:50 <Kero> thx! I assume it'll turn on again once the battery is fully draned?
Oct 05 07:32:25 <Henryk> RalphEichelberge: hmm, I agree, the documentation on http://www.jalimo.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages is a bit short
Oct 05 07:32:29 <abraxa_> I don't know, but I wouldn't rely on it ;)
Oct 05 07:35:24 <Henryk> RalphEichelberge: but it does work
Oct 05 07:36:46 <Henryk> RalphEichelberge: append the line   arch jalimo 30   to /etc/ipkg/arch.conf, then add a file /etc/ipkg/jalimo-jalimo-feed.conf with contents    src/gz jalimo-jalimo http://jalimo.org/openmoko/jalimo
Oct 05 07:36:58 <Henryk> afterwards do ipkg update; ipkg install cacao classpath
Oct 05 07:38:52 <Kero> abraxa_: hehe, then I'll stick with !autofast
Oct 05 07:40:48 <zefanja> good morning...the last days I got this error: http://pastebin.ca/726490 How can I fix this? Where can I add the no-check-certificate option?
Oct 05 07:42:20 <Henryk> that would be FETCHCOMMAND and RESUMECOMMAND
Oct 05 07:51:00 <geneberg> zefanja: find the file wgetrc or .wgetrc and add "check_certificate = no" without the quotes to it
Oct 05 07:51:42 <zefanja> geneberg: i'll try this
Oct 05 07:55:52 <Henryk> geneberg: that would disable certificate checking for all downloads of that user on that host
Oct 05 07:56:33 <Henryk> better edit openembedded/conf/bitbake.conf and add the option to FETCHCOMMAND_wget and RESUMECOMMAND_wget
Oct 05 07:56:58 <geneberg> yes i know  this should be removed afterwards
Oct 05 07:57:42 <geneberg> Henryk: this is a better way!
Oct 05 07:57:57 <geneberg> (yours)
Oct 05 08:01:37 <zefanja> Henryk: thx...now it works.
Oct 05 08:04:23 <Ghiottone|work> hello
Oct 05 08:24:39 * mbuf goes for it - make clean; make
Oct 05 08:26:32 <lysanderslair> n/ou 3
Oct 05 08:26:40 <lysanderslair> sorry wrong window
Oct 05 08:28:02 <RalphEichelberge> *g*
Oct 05 08:28:17 <RalphEichelberge> mbuf! - didn't work?
Oct 05 08:29:12 <sparq> Wow, there is a port o pjsip for the Nintendo DS, so you can make SIP-over-WiFi calls with it.
Oct 05 08:29:33 <sparq> s/o/of/
Oct 05 08:29:33 <apt> sparq meant: Wofw, there is a port o pjsip for the Nintendo DS, so you can make SIP-over-WiFi calls with it.
Oct 05 08:30:06 <sparq> s/\ o\ /of/
Oct 05 08:30:20 * sparq glares at apt 
Oct 05 08:53:11 <CM> test o apt
Oct 05 08:53:20 <CM> s/ o / of /
Oct 05 08:53:22 <apt> CM meant: test of apt
Oct 05 08:53:28 <CM> sparq: :P
Oct 05 08:55:18 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]]
Oct 05 08:57:13 <jeddy3> wow test o apt
Oct 05 08:57:14 <jeddy3> s/ o / of /
Oct 05 08:57:14 <apt> jeddy3 meant: wow test of apt
Oct 05 08:57:44 * ScaredyCat slaps CM silly
Oct 05 08:58:04 <CM> Bah
Oct 05 08:58:16 <CM> s/a/ooo/
Oct 05 08:58:16 <apt> CM meant: Boooh
Oct 05 09:01:20 <Ghiottone|work> lol
Oct 05 09:01:33 <Ghiottone|work> mmm
Oct 05 09:01:46 <Ghiottone|work> s/m/test /g
Oct 05 09:01:48 <apt> Ghiottone|work meant: test test test 
Oct 05 09:01:52 <Ghiottone|work> wow
Oct 05 09:02:42 * Ghiottone|work wonders now if apt supports more complicated regexps
Oct 05 09:02:42 <Henryk> aba
Oct 05 09:02:55 <Henryk> s/a(?!b)/foo/
Oct 05 09:04:10 <Henryk> apparently not :)
Oct 05 09:05:12 <Ghiottone|work> :)
Oct 05 09:05:28 <Ghiottone|work> test tost
Oct 05 09:05:51 <Ghiottone|work> s/[eo]/ foo /g
Oct 05 09:06:14 <Ghiottone|work> s/\[eo\]/ foo /g
Oct 05 09:06:26 <Ghiottone|work> yeah, probably not
Oct 05 09:07:57 <ScaredyCat> CM: no more disk space issues for me!
Oct 05 09:10:23 <zecke> LaF0rge: hey
Oct 05 09:15:19 <ScaredyCat> and no rm_work either !!! hurrah!! hurrah!!!
Oct 05 09:18:45 <CM> ScaredyCat: Nice. New disk?
Oct 05 09:19:01 <ScaredyCat> yah ... 160gb
Oct 05 09:19:18 <ScaredyCat> doubled the size....
Oct 05 09:19:25 <CM> Laptop?
Oct 05 09:19:28 <ScaredyCat> ya
Oct 05 09:20:51 <ScaredyCat> used 20gb for this build, and it's not completed yet!
Oct 05 09:22:39 <CM> I just finished a "make all", but I have rm_work on so I don't know how big it is
Oct 05 09:22:39 <mbuf> RalphEichelberge, yup; make going on
Oct 05 09:23:07 <CM> mbuf: Sucks that we couldn't figure out what lib that was broken. :-(
Oct 05 09:23:52 <mbuf> CM, do you think I should keep the build uptodate on a daily basis?
Oct 05 09:24:22 <CM> I'm not sure that helps if some of the main libs change
Oct 05 09:24:41 <CM> I'm usually building everything every day to keep track of things :)
Oct 05 09:24:57 <mbuf> CM, if I am interested in writing application for a particular library, somehow I should be able to just update that library alone and test my application
Oct 05 09:25:18 <mbuf> CM, rather than having to update all the packages
Oct 05 09:25:35 <CM> Yes, usually that's how it works
Oct 05 09:26:25 <Henryk> hmm, a full build without rm_work should only be around 12GB or so
Oct 05 09:26:52 <CM> Henryk: Maybe not for the full feed, "make all"
Oct 05 09:45:22 <kristian-m> morning
Oct 05 09:49:34 <ScaredyCat> Henryk: I'm including the sources in that
Oct 05 09:51:41 <user0815> hi
Oct 05 09:53:46 <CM> :)
Oct 05 09:54:44 <starox> Hello, I'm trying to get all source before going in vacation with no internet ... bitbake -c fetch openmoko-devel-image uboot-openmoko don't get source dependancies.
Oct 05 10:00:38 <starox> Damned ! Replying too myself, I tried fetch-all but not *fetchall*
Oct 05 10:51:10 <ScaredyCat> wtf it oe 'building' spectrum-fw for...
Oct 05 10:51:13 <ScaredyCat> si
Oct 05 10:51:15 <ScaredyCat> is
Oct 05 10:52:53 <CM> starox: Ah, thanks for mentioning it anyway. Good to know :)
Oct 05 10:55:17 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] [[User:Miki]] [[Talk:MokoMakefile]] [[Gsmd/document]] [[OpenMoko_local_Groups:_Copenhagen]]
Oct 05 10:58:01 * ScaredyCat slaps XorA|gone
Oct 05 10:58:28 <ScaredyCat> brb
Oct 05 11:12:14 <Bernte> How can I find out which kernel to use with http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/qtopia-image-fic-gta01.jffs2 ?
Oct 05 11:12:27 <FuzzyCat> use the newest kernel there
Oct 05 11:13:12 <FuzzyCat> http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr2937-r2-fic-gta01.bin
Oct 05 11:13:55 <Bernte> Thanks
Oct 05 11:14:55 <FuzzyCat> no probs :)
Oct 05 11:41:32 <Bernte> What is the default number to enter to unlock on qtopia?
Oct 05 11:45:38 <CIA-23> openmoko: 03thomas * r3089 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-appmanager2/: * Copy openmoko-appmanager to OM-2007.2
Oct 05 11:51:22 <xzcvczx> anyone from germany around?
Oct 05 11:51:30 <abraxa_> xzcvczx: What's up?
Oct 05 11:51:50 <xzcvczx> wondering what big electronic component stores there are in germany
Oct 05 11:52:04 <CIA-23> openmoko: 03thomas * r3090 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-appmanager2/ (18 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
Oct 05 11:52:04 <CIA-23> openmoko: * configure.ac:
Oct 05 11:52:04 <CIA-23> openmoko: * src/application-menu.c: (application_menu_new):
Oct 05 11:52:04 <CIA-23> openmoko: * src/application-menu.h:
Oct 05 11:52:04 <CIA-23> openmoko: * src/apply-dialog.c: (apply_dialog_new):
Oct 05 11:52:06 <CIA-23> openmoko: * src/appmanager-data.c:
Oct 05 11:52:10 <CIA-23> openmoko: * src/appmanager-data.h:
Oct 05 11:53:01 <abraxa_> xzcvczx: What exactly is your understanding of "component"?
Oct 05 11:53:31 <xzcvczx> a bosch SMD500 pressure sensor
Oct 05 11:53:48 <xzcvczx> in this case :P
Oct 05 11:55:02 <abraxa_> Ah okay
Oct 05 11:55:42 <xzcvczx> i cant find anywhere that sells them
Oct 05 11:56:20 <kristian-m> tryed farnell?
Oct 05 11:56:41 <kristian-m> xzcvczx you could order a sample from boschhhhhhhhhh
Oct 05 11:56:44 <kristian-m> oops
Oct 05 11:57:07 <xzcvczx> lol tried the later and had no response
Oct 05 11:57:10 <abraxa_> There's pretty much just three stores in Germany: conrad.de / reichelt.de / de.farnell.com
Oct 05 11:57:18 <xzcvczx> and the former didnt see anything last time but looking again
Oct 05 11:57:34 <xzcvczx> abraxa_: lol anything except farnell in english?
Oct 05 11:57:35 <kristian-m> abraxa_ and segor
Oct 05 11:57:49 <abraxa_> Ah right, Segor
Oct 05 11:58:22 <SpeedEvil> xzcvczx: why that one specitivcally?
Oct 05 11:58:36 <xzcvczx> SpeedEvil: small and has right range/temp
Oct 05 11:58:55 <SpeedEvil> you've gone through the distributor list on the bosch site?
Oct 05 11:59:10 <xzcvczx> lol only one from bosch that farnell has is $456
Oct 05 11:59:12 <xzcvczx> nz
Oct 05 11:59:15 <SpeedEvil> digikey will deliver to .de - though there is a large minimum order.
Oct 05 11:59:19 <xzcvczx> SpeedEvil: must have missed that
Oct 05 11:59:29 <SpeedEvil> digikey.com
Oct 05 11:59:38 <xzcvczx> SpeedEvil: oh ok thanks
Oct 05 11:59:46 <SpeedEvil> http://fun.drno.de/pics/english/likemommy.jpg
Oct 05 11:59:47 <SpeedEvil> err
Oct 05 11:59:48 <SpeedEvil> oops
Oct 05 11:59:57 <SpeedEvil> I meant
Oct 05 11:59:58 <SpeedEvil> http://digikey.de/
Oct 05 12:00:09 <abraxa_> lol SpeedEvil 
Oct 05 12:01:04 <SpeedEvil> Yeah - it looks similar to the UK site - comparatively expensive shipping.
Oct 05 12:01:21 <SpeedEvil> What is it - an i2c pressure sensor?
Oct 05 12:01:34 <xzcvczx> yup
Oct 05 12:01:45 <SpeedEvil> how much2D?
Oct 05 12:01:53 <cjb_ie> in english - you could try RS too
Oct 05 12:02:08 <SpeedEvil> I don't think RS ship to germany
Oct 05 12:02:32 <cjb_ie> i think they've a german disty
Oct 05 12:02:47 <SpeedEvil> Unsure.
Oct 05 12:03:10 <SpeedEvil> Not looked at i2c pressure - freescale do lots of analogue output ones.
Oct 05 12:03:28 <SpeedEvil> And will even sample, and have a reasonable online store.
Oct 05 12:03:32 <xzcvczx> SpeedEvil: im not germany just figured that there was a higher chance of finding a store in germany since that was where bosch was based
Oct 05 12:03:40 <SpeedEvil> Oh.
Oct 05 12:03:43 <xzcvczx> SpeedEvil: got no free inputs though to use
Oct 05 12:03:47 <SpeedEvil> It doesn't work that way generally.
Oct 05 12:03:52 <SpeedEvil> Where are you?
Oct 05 12:04:54 <xzcvczx> SpeedEvil: nz
Oct 05 12:06:11 <xzcvczx> what do you mean it doesnt work that way generally
Oct 05 12:06:38 <SpeedEvil> I mean that distribution deals don't tend to closely follow country of origin for multinationals.
Oct 05 12:06:51 <SpeedEvil> It's very unlikely that bosch for example makes these in germany.
Oct 05 12:07:03 <xzcvczx> SpeedEvil: well there was a chance 
Oct 05 12:07:44 <SpeedEvil> What's the price on these sensors?
Oct 05 12:07:51 * cb22 asks about GTA02
Oct 05 12:08:23 * abraxa_ drags cb22 into a dark, lonely room
Oct 05 12:08:31 <cb22> uh oh
Oct 05 12:08:36 <abraxa_> :D
Oct 05 12:08:48 <cb22> maybe that should be changed...
Oct 05 12:08:57 <cb22> Do not ask about GTA02's release date (December as of last update).
Oct 05 12:09:07 <thos> what do people want to know about the GTA02 other than the release date?
Oct 05 12:09:21 <cjb_ie> thos: when will it actually work? :)
Oct 05 12:09:29 <thos> cjb_ie: it does work...
Oct 05 12:09:33 <cb22> will the wifi drivers support nice features?
Oct 05 12:09:49 <thos> cb22: what are "nice features"
Oct 05 12:09:54 <cjb_ie> thos: alright then, when will the software work fully :)
Oct 05 12:09:55 <cb22> monitor mode, packet injection
Oct 05 12:10:05 <cb22> hostap
Oct 05 12:10:18 <SpeedEvil> Random hacky stuff.
Oct 05 12:10:20 <cjb_ie> when will we be able to forward an incoming gsm call onto voip over wifi
Oct 05 12:10:22 <thos> cb22: that sounds like fairly niche features to me :-P
Oct 05 12:10:25 <xzcvczx> SpeedEvil: where did you find it on digikey
Oct 05 12:10:31 <cb22> thos, lies :)
Oct 05 12:10:32 <Kensan> Mesh networking
Oct 05 12:10:34 <SpeedEvil> cjb_ie: that's a GSM module question
Oct 05 12:10:40 <SpeedEvil> xzcvczx: I diddn't 
Oct 05 12:10:40 <xzcvczx> i am having trouble finding anything from bosch on digikey
Oct 05 12:10:43 <xzcvczx> oh ok
Oct 05 12:10:52 <thos> why don't you guys write all your questions about gta02 on a wiki page
Oct 05 12:10:54 <SpeedEvil> xzcvczx: it's just digikey have most stuff - it turns out no that
Oct 05 12:11:06 <thos> and give the openmoko guys a chance to answer them
Oct 05 12:11:18 <thos> something like, gosh, an FAQ!
Oct 05 12:11:30 <cjb_ie> that'd be far too organised
Oct 05 12:11:33 <cb22> yeah
Oct 05 12:11:50 <cb22> what about, has the GPS chipset been determined yet?
Oct 05 12:12:41 <cb22> sorry, but i am addicted to this stuff :)
Oct 05 12:15:34 <thos> cb22: how do you mean "determined"?
Oct 05 12:15:42 <SpeedEvil> chosen
Oct 05 12:15:43 <SpeedEvil> picked
Oct 05 12:15:47 <cb22> selected
Oct 05 12:15:49 <cb22> identified
Oct 05 12:15:51 <SpeedEvil> specified
Oct 05 12:15:59 <cb22> finalized
Oct 05 12:16:00 <xzcvczx> damn thesaurus
Oct 05 12:16:04 <thos> well
Oct 05 12:16:06 <cb22> heh
Oct 05 12:16:38 <thos> seeing as there has already been one prototype run, I would imagine so
Oct 05 12:16:59 <SpeedEvil> there have been several prototype runs
Oct 05 12:17:18 <thos> SpeedEvil: not really, v2 is the latest
Oct 05 12:18:49 <SpeedEvil> According to previous statements made - there have been made two or more runs, with differing GPSs and other stuff.
Oct 05 12:18:59 <cb22> and will it be a 'smart' (NMEA output) or 'dumb' (hammerhead) chip?
Oct 05 12:19:21 <SpeedEvil> There has been no public statement that I'm aware of that a final model has gone forward as a candidate for external developers.
Oct 05 12:19:36 <SpeedEvil> to be produced for that is
Oct 05 12:19:44 <thos> well...
Oct 05 12:19:46 <SpeedEvil> Though dumb has plusses.
Oct 05 12:19:46 <cjb_ie> i thought they'd settled on sirf3
Oct 05 12:19:58 <SpeedEvil> There has been no confirmation either way.
Oct 05 12:20:11 <SpeedEvil> (again, as far as I'm aware.)
Oct 05 12:20:17 <thos> well damn
Oct 05 12:20:23 <thos> there appears to be something broken about mine
Oct 05 12:20:40 <SpeedEvil> the 'dumb' chip has positives - in terms of flexibility.
Oct 05 12:20:51 <SpeedEvil> potential positives.
Oct 05 12:21:20 <SpeedEvil> But much work has stopped on reverse engineering the driver since there hasn't been confirmation that it'll be in 02.
Oct 05 12:22:07 <SpeedEvil> I can't find _any_ reference to the SMD500 being sold through distributors.
Oct 05 12:22:20 <SpeedEvil> It may be intended as a 'volume makers only' part.
Oct 05 12:22:35 <xzcvczx> SpeedEvil: futureElectronics has it
Oct 05 12:22:42 <xzcvczx> but they expect you to call about it
Oct 05 12:22:48 <SpeedEvil> ah
Oct 05 12:23:17 <SpeedEvil> 'call' IME usually means - yes - we certainly will order a full reel - how do you intend to pay?
Oct 05 12:23:56 <xzcvczx> lol
Oct 05 12:24:20 <xzcvczx> nah they have a single as well
Oct 05 12:24:50 <xzcvczx> and they  USD for it excluding shipping
Oct 05 12:24:55 <xzcvczx> want $15
Oct 05 12:25:08 <cb22> sirf3 supports waas?
Oct 05 12:26:13 <cjb_ie> cb22: yup
Oct 05 12:26:21 <cb22> nice
Oct 05 12:26:52 <xzcvczx> anyone from quebec?
Oct 05 12:27:39 <xzcvczx> or from nth usa?
Oct 05 12:27:48 <xzcvczx> s/usa/america
Oct 05 12:30:32 <CM> xzcvczx: No one wants to admit that.. :P
Oct 05 12:30:38 <xzcvczx> lol
Oct 05 12:30:44 <xzcvczx> i dont blame them
Oct 05 12:30:54 <CM> Exactly, blame canada
Oct 05 12:31:28 <xzcvczx> lol
Oct 05 12:32:07 * CM waves some canadian dollars infront of the americans ;)
Oct 05 12:32:17 <Henryk> *sing* They're not even a real country anyway
Oct 05 12:33:08 <xzcvczx> oh are we talking about north america or canada being where you wouldnt want to admit your from?
Oct 05 12:33:20 <Henryk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp13M7rlih0
Oct 05 12:35:26 <CM> Henryk: Hehe.. Thanks :)
Oct 05 12:36:20 <xzcvczx> SpeedEvil: any idea what soft of pressure sensor you are thinking of adding?
Oct 05 12:36:34 <SpeedEvil> I'm not.
Oct 05 12:36:48 <SpeedEvil> I was using the pressure sensors for other things.
Oct 05 12:36:52 <SpeedEvil> (engine managment)
Oct 05 12:37:23 <xzcvczx> oh :S
Oct 05 12:38:10 <CM> SpeedEvil: Are you the future of IT? http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/10/05/scotland-future-geezer
Oct 05 12:38:38 <SpeedEvil> no
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Oct 05 12:58:20 <PBeck> hi
Oct 05 13:03:28 <abraxa_> Any OE specialists around?
Oct 05 13:05:12 <Ghiottone|work> hola
Oct 05 13:05:17 <starox> abraxa_: why ?
Oct 05 13:05:45 <starox> I discovert it yesterday, but I'm used to buildroot and gentoo. It's not so far away.
Oct 05 13:07:01 <starox> s/discovert/discovered/
Oct 05 13:07:02 <apt> starox meant: I discovered it yesterday, but I'm used to buildroot and gentoo. It's not so far away.
Oct 05 13:09:23 <abraxa_> Ah, I doubt you can help me with my issue then - the problem I have is that SRCREV = ${AUTOREV} doesn't work for me
Oct 05 13:09:27 <abraxa_> Thanks anyway ;3
Oct 05 13:09:44 <starox> abraxa_: You're right :)
Oct 05 13:10:52 <Ghiottone|work> abraxa_: I think it is currently broken
Oct 05 13:11:27 <Ghiottone|work> it requires a patch in bitbake (as far as I have understood it)
Oct 05 13:11:46 <Ghiottone|work> !logs
Oct 05 13:11:47 <cdbot2> Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at:
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Oct 05 13:11:51 <cdbot2> See ?? help-logs for usage instructions
Oct 05 13:12:01 <FuzzyCat> well I've just built it today with no probs
Oct 05 13:12:04 <abraxa_> Seems like it... I take it editing sane-srcrevs.inc and removing the fixed revisions for the packages I want floating helps?
Oct 05 13:12:32 <xzcvczx> anyone got there neo on at the moment?
Oct 05 13:12:43 * FuzzyCat hides his neo
Oct 05 13:12:45 <abraxa_> FuzzyCat: What did you put in your local.conf to use AUTOREV?
Oct 05 13:12:50 <abraxa_> xzcvczx: Whatcha need?
Oct 05 13:13:10 <xzcvczx> FuzzyCat: can you see if there is a "gpspipe" command
Oct 05 13:13:15 <ScaredyCat> SRCREV = "${AUTOREV}"
Oct 05 13:13:26 <abraxa_> Ah, eh
Oct 05 13:13:42 <abraxa_> I would prefer using sane-srcrevs.inc instead of making *everything* floating :)
Oct 05 13:13:50 <FuzzyCat> :D
Oct 05 13:14:17 <abraxa_> xzcvczx: Nope, not there
Oct 05 13:14:24 <xzcvczx> hummm
Oct 05 13:14:25 <ScaredyCat> no
Oct 05 13:14:28 <ScaredyCat> me neother
Oct 05 13:14:31 <ScaredyCat> neiter
Oct 05 13:14:33 <FuzzyCat> neither
Oct 05 13:15:59 * xzcvczx turns the hose on the cat for talking through 2 names and trying to confuse people
Oct 05 13:16:21 <FuzzyCat> hey, if 
Oct 05 13:16:22 <ScaredyCat> you can't cope
Oct 05 13:16:28 <FuzzyCat> tat's your fault
Oct 05 13:16:32 <Ghiottone|work> ScaredyCat: does it go in local.conf??
Oct 05 13:16:36 <ScaredyCat> yes
Oct 05 13:16:51 <ScaredyCat> build/conf/local.conf
Oct 05 13:16:52 <kristian-m> can anyone confirm, taht the hardware of gta01 is not multitouch?
Oct 05 13:16:58 <ScaredyCat> I can
Oct 05 13:17:02 <Ghiottone|work> oh maybe that's why it did not work
Oct 05 13:17:02 <FuzzyCat> me too
Oct 05 13:17:05 <kristian-m> ScaredyCat okay, thanks
Oct 05 13:17:06 <abraxa_> kristian-m: Yes, it's not
Oct 05 13:17:14 <FuzzyCat> yes it's not
Oct 05 13:17:15 <FuzzyCat> lol
Oct 05 13:17:20 <abraxa_> ;)
Oct 05 13:17:27 <ScaredyCat> now whose trying to confuse :P
Oct 05 13:17:29 * kristian-m just found a way to simulate multitouch behaviour. - will work it out later
Oct 05 13:17:31 <ScaredyCat> who's
Oct 05 13:17:32 <Ghiottone|work> ScaredyCat: but I wanted to have it for only one packate. is it possible?
Oct 05 13:17:39 <ScaredyCat> meh
Oct 05 13:17:40 <ScaredyCat> 1
Oct 05 13:17:44 <ScaredyCat> -1
Oct 05 13:17:45 <Ghiottone|work> kristian-m: hey 
Oct 05 13:17:45 <ScaredyCat> +!
Oct 05 13:17:53 <kristian-m> hi Ghiottone|work :-)
Oct 05 13:18:08 * kristian-m has to write a test in 42 minutes, bbl
Oct 05 13:18:09 <FuzzyCat> can't you force srcrev in the .bb ?
Oct 05 13:18:23 <Ghiottone|work> yeah but I wanted the HEAD
Oct 05 13:18:28 <Ghiottone|work> of svn repo
Oct 05 13:18:35 <Ghiottone|work> so I just put HEAD there and it worked
Oct 05 13:18:44 <FuzzyCat> hehe
Oct 05 13:19:01 <Ghiottone|work> but I'd like to know from the bb file what HEAD is to pur in PR variable
Oct 05 13:19:31 <FuzzyCat> ahhhh
Oct 05 13:19:35 <Ghiottone|work> and trying SRCREV=${AUTOREV} did not work
Oct 05 13:19:51 <ynezz> you must patch BB
Oct 05 13:20:03 <Ghiottone|work> ynezz: just told about this http://ynezz.true.cz/autorev-fix.patch
Oct 05 13:20:07 <Ghiottone|work> yeah
Oct 05 13:20:30 <ynezz> there's also official one
Oct 05 13:20:35 <Ghiottone|work> is there a fast way to have bb rebuilt with mokomakefile
Oct 05 13:20:44 <Ghiottone|work> is it going into mainstream?
Oct 05 13:20:52 <FuzzyCat> packagE?
Oct 05 13:21:02 <FuzzyCat> bitbake -crebuild blah
Oct 05 13:21:14 <Ghiottone|work> no, bitbake itself
Oct 05 13:21:33 <FuzzyCat> oh bb build bb
Oct 05 13:22:02 <FuzzyCat> isn't it part of the updatE?
Oct 05 13:22:39 <ynezz> Ghiottone|work: i don't think so, that part have to be rewritten
Oct 05 13:22:59 <ynezz> Ghiottone|work: http://projects.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2007-September/003035.html
Oct 05 13:23:51 <ynezz> and also some background of SRCREV http://projects.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2007-September/003016.html
Oct 05 13:27:58 <Ghiottone|work> so also adding SRCREV=${AUTOREV} to local.conf would have effect only on packages that don't have a sane-rev
Oct 05 13:28:53 <xzcvczx> hmmm unfourtunately it looks like the reverse engineering of the hammerhead protocol might have stopped being worked on
Oct 05 13:30:17 <emdete> does SRCREV="${AUTOREV}" work for you? i had do patch some bb script for that 
Oct 05 13:30:50 <Writchie> xzcvczx: stopped until/unless the chip ends up being used in GTA02
Oct 05 13:31:20 <emdete> Writchie: so no gps in gta01 if gta02 uses a different chip?
Oct 05 13:32:16 <Writchie> emdete: gta01 gps will be through binary driver supposed to be released any day which in openmoko speak means not today or tommorrow
Oct 05 13:34:41 <FuzzyCat> xzcvczx, you can't actually blame them for stopping
Oct 05 13:37:03 <xzcvczx> FuzzyCat: any significant reason hat?
Oct 05 13:37:21 <xzcvczx> for that*
Oct 05 13:37:47 <xzcvczx> or is it the reason Writchie stated?
Oct 05 13:37:48 <sannes> any link to gps-chip changing discussion?
Oct 05 13:38:28 <mwester> Well, the potential usefulness of the re-engineering project is greatly reduces when Openmoko changes the GPS receiver.
Oct 05 13:38:42 <Writchie> many people are not interested in traveling down dead ends
Oct 05 13:39:18 <Writchie> same for the low power BT use cases killed by GTA02 hardware changes
Oct 05 13:39:38 <thos> has anyone, for example, looked in the latest u-boot patches to find out when gps chip it talks to?
Oct 05 13:39:40 <mwester> Writchie:  is that the USB BT change that you refer to?
Oct 05 13:39:43 <Writchie> or improvements in framebuffer 2d software accel, etc.
Oct 05 13:39:55 <mwester> thos: u-boot doesn't talk to the gps.
Oct 05 13:40:00 <mwester> AFAIK, anyway.
Oct 05 13:40:02 <FuzzyCat> xzcvczx, what Writchie said... why work on it if it ends up being wasted effort
Oct 05 13:40:03 <thos> mwester: I beg to differ
Oct 05 13:40:15 <mwester> u-boot talks to the GSM modem, that I know...
Oct 05 13:40:17 <thos> mwester: you can control the gps chip power
Oct 05 13:40:30 <mwester> Ok, but that's independent of the chipset.
Oct 05 13:41:03 <Writchie> mwester: the bits for handling BT low power are removed in GTA02 and taken for WiFi use. 
Oct 05 13:41:15 <mwester> Ah, ok.
Oct 05 13:41:16 <FuzzyCat> !!!!
Oct 05 13:41:24 <xzcvczx> oh
Oct 05 13:41:49 <Writchie> mwester: there is still some hope that USB suspend on the 2442 can be made to work
Oct 05 13:42:41 <Writchie> mwester: but there appears no way to wakeup from BT when the CPU is in suspend.
Oct 05 13:42:59 <mwester> Well, that would be a problem for many BT devices :)
Oct 05 13:43:01 <Writchie> mwester: on GTA02
Oct 05 13:43:11 <abraxa_> ynezz: What does your autorev patch allow? The use of moko-autorev.inc or SRCREV=${AUTOREV} in local.conf?
Oct 05 13:43:26 <Writchie> mwester: it kills all BT low-power uses cases
Oct 05 13:43:38 <ynezz> abraxa_: yep, the same as RP's patch
Oct 05 13:43:48 <abraxa_> ynezz: Yes... what?
Oct 05 13:44:32 <ynezz> it's fix for that AUTOREV bug, same as RP's here http://projects.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2007-September/003035.html
Oct 05 13:44:43 <abraxa_> Thanks :)
Oct 05 13:48:00 * Esben_ dances around
Oct 05 13:48:14 <Esben_> I have just unpacked my brand new neo :-)
Oct 05 13:48:25 <abraxa_> Nice :)
Oct 05 13:49:01 <zash`> Esben_: I envy you!
Oct 05 13:49:09 <zash`> ENVY I SAY!
Oct 05 13:49:52 <thos> Esben_: great! what are you going to do with it?
Oct 05 13:50:25 <Mek> ups tried to deliver one to me too this morning... unfortunately I just missed it, now I have to wait for monday before I can play with it... :(
Oct 05 13:50:47 <zash`> EEEENVYYY!
Oct 05 13:51:44 <Esben_> thos: well, we have several ideas for projects here...
Oct 05 13:52:00 <thos> Esben_: great! such as?
Oct 05 13:52:42 <Esben_> perhaps developing a travel blog application
Oct 05 13:53:24 <abraxa_> Mek: You can pick it up at their distribution center if it's not too far to drive (and you want to do that)
Oct 05 13:54:55 <Mek> nah, I guess I'll wait for monday
Oct 05 13:57:21 <abraxa_> OE is so unnerving...
Oct 05 13:57:44 <abraxa_> I applied ynezz' patch, RP's patch and it STILL fails
Oct 05 13:58:03 * mbuf CM 'make clean; make' going on, icu has been built successfully now, around 5 1/2 hours since make
Oct 05 13:58:20 <ynezz> abraxa_: really? where?
Oct 05 13:58:28 <CM> mbuf: If icu builds, webkit will too. :)
Oct 05 13:58:57 <CM> mbuf: Just look out for uicmoc4 around task 1965 or so
Oct 05 13:59:13 <abraxa_> ynezz: http://pastebin.ca/726751
Oct 05 14:00:13 <ynezz> this is somehow wrong, NOTE: package matchbox-panel-2-0.1+svnr1-r8: task do_fetch: started
Oct 05 14:00:18 <ynezz> r1-r8
Oct 05 14:00:41 <thos> ynezz: check the save svnrevs file
Oct 05 14:00:49 <thos> ynezz: and insert a sane svnrev if there isn't one
Oct 05 14:00:59 <ynezz> he wants HEAD
Oct 05 14:01:03 <abraxa_> Yeah
Oct 05 14:01:21 <ynezz> but OM handle it internaly
Oct 05 14:01:22 <FuzzyCat> don't we all
Oct 05 14:01:28 <abraxa_> lol FuzzyCat 
Oct 05 14:01:42 <ynezz> there's some OM2 class with some SRCREV magic inside
Oct 05 14:03:12 <zecke> LaF0rge: are you around? any proposal for getting food?
Oct 05 14:09:11 <ynezz> abraxa_: i think it's a OM problem only, there's SVNREV and SRCREV used at once
Oct 05 14:09:39 <Esben_> I am working for a small embedded software consultant company (we are 2)
Oct 05 14:09:39 <emdete> ynezz: wasnt there SRCDATE also?
Oct 05 14:09:58 <thos> ynezz: you need to specify at least one svnrev
Oct 05 14:10:01 <emdete> ynezz: that was one of the probs with my bb also
Oct 05 14:10:14 <Esben_> and we have decided to spend a fraction of our time on development of something for ourself, and have decided to do it with OpenMoko as basis.
Oct 05 14:10:34 <ynezz> thos: i think, not with SRCREV
Oct 05 14:11:16 <thos> ynezz: yes, even with srcrev
Oct 05 14:11:26 <thos> ynezz: that is why there is a sane-srcrevs file
Oct 05 14:11:58 <CM> Esben_: Wise choice I'm sure :D
Oct 05 14:13:43 <Esben_> I come from a job with Motorola, and within time it should be no problem beating whatever Linux phone that will come from moto :-)
Oct 05 14:14:28 <ynezz> thos: if you have defined SRCREV=${AUTOREV}, AUTOREV gets expanded to latest revision/head number so you don't need to specify anything in sane-srcrev file
Oct 05 14:15:03 <thos> ynezz: i had exactly the same problem as you (svn r1) and it did not work until I put it in sane-srcrev
Oct 05 14:15:27 <emdete> is someone working on webkit's gtk integration also?
Oct 05 14:15:33 <ynezz> thos: i don't have that problem, abraxa_ had
Oct 05 14:15:42 <thos> ynezz: oh sorry :)
Oct 05 14:15:57 <ynezz> i was able to build package just using SRCREV
Oct 05 14:16:27 <thos> ynezz: well of course, it's possible something else was wrong for me too
Oct 05 14:18:22 <CM> emdete: zecke and alp are the ones doing that.. :)
Oct 05 14:18:55 <abraxa_> thos: What did you put in sane-srcrevs? The package you want to keep up-to-date? That still doesn't make it use HEAD, does it?
Oct 05 14:19:11 <thos> abraxa_: it gives it a starting point
Oct 05 14:19:23 <emdete> CM: they don't seem to like to talk about it ;)
Oct 05 14:19:24 <thos> abraxa_: it won't always use what is in sane-srcrevs afaik
Oct 05 14:19:42 <abraxa_> thos: Hm... I'll give it a shot, I'm seriously out of ideas now
Oct 05 14:20:24 <CM> emdete: Have you read http://www.atoker.com/blog/2007/10/04/webkitgtk-gets-a-reviewer-and-canvas-support/ ?
Oct 05 14:24:07 <Writchie> anyone building and flashing through vmware?
Oct 05 14:25:17 <CM> Writchie: rwhitby is
Oct 05 14:25:52 <Writchie> CM: i guess that means it's probably working ok
Oct 05 14:26:02 <emdete> CM: interesting, thanks, no didn't know that. i wonder how i could put an api into the js namespace... say a telefony api to access that from js
Oct 05 14:26:28 <mwester> Writchie:  You can't flash via vmware, but it builds ok.
Oct 05 14:26:41 <CM> emdete: Read his slides on the previous blogpost too :)
Oct 05 14:26:44 <Esben_> uhhh... booting takes quite some time.
Oct 05 14:27:05 <CM> Esben_: 2 minutes maybe, so yes, very slow
Oct 05 14:27:12 <Writchie> mwester: tx
Oct 05 14:30:33 <Esben_> maybe that is something that is worth spending some time on...
Oct 05 14:30:56 <Esben_> are there any documentation for how to register with network?
Oct 05 14:31:28 <CM> Esben_: Yes, in the wiki
Oct 05 14:31:36 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Bootloader/de]]
Oct 05 14:36:58 <cb22> the people who have run mplayer on the neo, did you use the fb or x?
Oct 05 14:42:28 <tushyd> hey I'm trying to run qemu and I get the boot menu but when I hit "boot" it gives me a "bad magic number" error
Oct 05 14:42:34 <tushyd> anyone know what that could be?
Oct 05 14:43:29 <ScaredyCat> 3
Oct 05 14:43:38 <CM> tushyd: Is there a Factory reset option?
Oct 05 14:44:05 <Ghiottone|work> no
Oct 05 14:44:07 <Ghiottone|work> don't do it
Oct 05 14:44:15 <CM> My partition table on my neo is broken so I have to boot using Factory reset every time, otherwise I get the Bad Magic number
Oct 05 14:44:26 <tushyd> ok... let me try real quick
Oct 05 14:44:28 <CM> Ghiottone|work: Why not?
Oct 05 14:44:35 <CM> It's just in qemu :)
Oct 05 14:44:46 <Ghiottone|work> if I recall correctly the Neo comes without a valid rootfs
Oct 05 14:44:48 <Ghiottone|work> oh
Oct 05 14:45:02 <tushyd> it still gives me a magic number
Oct 05 14:45:20 <Ghiottone|work> sorry, for some reason I was thinking about a newly come neo, probably becase I read it earlier
Oct 05 14:45:22 <CM> Hmm.. Then i guess there's really something wrong with the kernel
Oct 05 14:46:04 <tushyd> oh... damn I wish I knew more about this stuff... I just want to help testing so I got the emulator
Oct 05 14:46:05 <CM> Ghiottone|work: I have the 2:nd neo sold, and it wasn't working when I got it. Too bad I didn't order the debug board. ;)
Oct 05 14:46:25 <ScaredyCat> no one near you with one  CM ?
Oct 05 14:46:41 <CM> No, no one in Sweden afaik
Oct 05 14:46:56 <FuzzyCat> totally empty country
Oct 05 14:46:59 <CM> Probably closest to Oslo or Helsinki
Oct 05 14:47:16 <CM> Hehe, practically yes. There's not many neos at all here, strangely
Oct 05 14:47:33 <CM> I know jeddy3 and one more guy has one
Oct 05 14:47:44 <FuzzyCat> uk has quite a  lot aparentlyktjkjtkjdfgggly
Oct 05 14:47:56 <jeddy3> :)
Oct 05 14:48:20 <tushyd> I live in freaking Iowa and I found one, haha
Oct 05 14:48:27 <CM> Hehe
Oct 05 14:48:35 <donmorr> Has anyone here tried QTopia on the neo?
Oct 05 14:48:37 * FuzzyCat hasn't seen another one yet
Oct 05 14:48:46 <FuzzyCat> donmorr, yes.. lots
Oct 05 14:49:00 <CM> donmorr: Yes, workes nicely except for the powermanagment and some sound issues
Oct 05 14:49:07 <viq> I know my friend will be getting GTA02-DevBox ;)
Oct 05 14:49:08 <donmorr> Hmm, I'm thinking of getting a greenphone, but thinking about the neo instead
Oct 05 14:49:22 <FuzzyCat> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_Neo_1973
Oct 05 14:49:28 <CM> donmorr: Forget about the greenphone :D
Oct 05 14:49:49 <FuzzyCat> greenphone is dead, you want an orange one :P
Oct 05 14:49:49 <donmorr> Will probably wait until December for GTA02 release.
Oct 05 14:49:53 <donmorr> :-)
Oct 05 14:50:37 <FuzzyCat> ^^^ why do I always read that as 'gloveboxlive'
Oct 05 14:50:47 <ozarka> I have the ornage one, but this morning, I installed Qtopia.
Oct 05 14:50:48 <donmorr> Plus its only $450 compared to the Greenphones $600
Oct 05 14:51:00 <ozarka> Does that put me somewhere between green and orange?
Oct 05 14:51:07 <FuzzyCat> gorange
Oct 05 14:51:28 <donmorr> I wonder will trolltech drop the price if they see the neo can be bought for a lot less????
Oct 05 14:51:48 <CM> donmorr: No, they're buying Neo's instead ;)
Oct 05 14:51:50 <FuzzyCat> greenphone is only supposed to be a reference platform iirc
Oct 05 14:52:13 <donmorr> Ahhh, I see.
Oct 05 14:52:50 <Kensan> What's the latest on gsmd and libgsm?
Oct 05 14:53:04 * FuzzyCat wonders if this build will complete before i have to leave 
Oct 05 14:53:07 <tushyd> do you think the gta2 will be ready by december?
Oct 05 14:53:41 <ScaredyCat> do you believe in Santa?
Oct 05 14:53:51 <tushyd> haha, nope, I'm a hindu
Oct 05 14:53:58 <ScaredyCat> then no...
Oct 05 14:54:07 <ScaredyCat> :)
Oct 05 14:54:10 <tushyd> :)
Oct 05 14:54:20 <tushyd> will it be able to make calls at least
Oct 05 14:54:26 <ScaredyCat> do you believe in Santa?
Oct 05 14:54:44 * ScaredyCat giggles and jumps in the air
Oct 05 14:54:49 <berkus> you guys better gotta believe soon :P
Oct 05 14:55:07 <berkus> yet, my neo is shipped, yay!
Oct 05 14:55:52 <FuzzyCat> ./reroute_package --user=berkus --new-dest=FuzzyCat 
Oct 05 14:56:07 <berkus> reroute_package: command not found.
Oct 05 14:56:38 <tushyd> damn, oh well I'll probably get it anyways
Oct 05 14:56:40 <FuzzyCat> it only works on the ups servers I have h4x0r3d
Oct 05 14:56:56 <FuzzyCat> or not...
Oct 05 14:57:28 <ozarka> tushyd: I made a call with my Neo this morning.  :-)
Oct 05 14:58:03 <ozarka> Then it refused to find the network again.
Oct 05 14:58:24 <tushyd> ha, yeah
Oct 05 15:01:29 <Ghiottone|work> CM: why not working? because you did not flash it or had some hw problems? I flashed it before actually checking if it was working or not out of the box
Oct 05 15:02:07 <CM> Ghiottone|work: I'm not sure what I did wrong. I flashed a new kernel and rootfs, but then the kernel overwrote my boot_env
Oct 05 15:03:23 <CM> Ghiottone|work: After that ScaredyCat helped me fix it (see Bricked in the wiki) by dd:ing a working boot_env over /dev/mtdblock1, but after a while that failed to work too
Oct 05 15:04:07 <ghoulsblade> hi all, is there a list of the package contents somewhere ?
Oct 05 15:04:07 <aloril> ghoulsblade: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
Oct 05 15:04:34 <CM> Ghiottone|work: Anyway, I'm not complaining. It's a dev-toy anyway, so booting with factory reset is fine for me until I get bothered enough to figure out how to fix it. :)
Oct 05 15:04:35 <abraxa_> ghoulsblade: http://direct.openmoko.com should have it
Oct 05 15:07:27 <Ghiottone|work> CM: I see. I seem to recall reading something like that in #openmoko 
Oct 05 15:07:47 <Ghiottone|work> CM: did you upgrade (downgrade!) u-boot ?
Oct 05 15:08:26 <CM> Ghiottone|work: I upgraded to a newer version suggested by Mickeyl. One he was using
Oct 05 15:08:55 <CM> I did another uboot upgrade later, to the official 2007.08 one
Oct 05 15:10:10 <yoyo> hi people 
Oct 05 15:10:38 <ghoulsblade> abraxa_  nope, just images of the box and info on the software, we've received the   Neo Advanced (white/orange) - Developer preview   box today, and would like to check if the contents are complete, but i can't find a list =(
Oct 05 15:11:32 <abraxa_> ghoulsblade: http://www.openmoko.com/products-neo-advanced-00-develkit.html - See "what's included"
Oct 05 15:11:42 <CM> ghoulsblade: I have heard that the plektrum was missing from one package, but besides that it seems like all has been there
Oct 05 15:12:19 <ghoulsblade> ah, i've overlooked that one, sorry, thank you very much =)
Oct 05 15:14:18 <abraxa_> ghoulsblade: You're welcome
Oct 05 15:14:50 <ghoulsblade> ok, checked, all complete, yay, awesome stuff, really looking forward to work with it =D 
Oct 05 15:15:05 <CM> ghoulsblade: Any special plans for what to work on?
Oct 05 15:15:37 <abraxa_> Remember - it is illegal to turn the Neo into a weapon of mass distraction.
Oct 05 15:16:26 <CM> abraxa_: I think #openmoko is one already.. ;)
Oct 05 15:16:36 <ghoulsblade> at first just investigating, but in the long run we consider it as base for measurement purposes (gsm-r)
Oct 05 15:17:02 <abraxa_> Investigating?
Oct 05 15:17:10 <abraxa_> You're a competitor? ;)
Oct 05 15:18:06 <ghoulsblade> not really, we plan to use the openmoko for this =)
Oct 05 15:36:13 <zecke> LaF0rge: ping?
Oct 05 15:58:34 <Sup3rkiddo> can anyone please please pastebin a pristine copy of openmoko/trunk/oe/packages/linux/linux-gta01/defconfig-2.6.22.5-fic-gta01 really urgent
Oct 05 15:58:37 <Sup3rkiddo> pleaaaseee
Oct 05 16:00:31 <Kensan> http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/oe/packages/linux/linux-gta01/defconfig-2.6.22.5-fic-gta01
Oct 05 16:01:03 <Sup3rkiddo> lol...now why didnt i think of that..
Oct 05 16:01:09 * Sup3rkiddo spanks himself
Oct 05 16:21:14 <thos> abraxa_: have you ever used jhbuild?
Oct 05 16:21:50 <abraxa_> tholin: jhbuild? Actually I haven't even heard of it :)
Oct 05 16:22:13 <abraxa_> How come you're asking?
Oct 05 16:30:35 <thos> apologies to anyone trying to build openmoko this weekend with the latest trunk
Oct 05 16:31:00 <thos> libmokojournal2_svn.bb needs fixing but I can't find anyone to do it :-)
Oct 05 16:31:33 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Gsmd/document]]
Oct 05 16:43:21 <Bernte> Hi, can anybody help me with qtopia: Sometimes I get a "Dial Keyboard" with a Lock, and a "please wait" statement on top. This is where it gets stuck. How can I get rid of this screen?
Oct 05 16:44:22 <thomasg> even if I'm not the trolltech-support: maybe that's when you have to enter your PIN
Oct 05 16:44:52 <thomasg> so use this micro-dial-keyboard to enter your pin and press one of the buttons on bottom to confirm
Oct 05 16:45:07 <Bernte> Which PIN? I never added a pin and I have no SIM card inserted.
Oct 05 16:52:50 <mwester> thos: what is the nature of the fix for the problem?  Can it be done from OE, or does it require SVN access?
Oct 05 16:53:43 <abraxa_> mwester: He signed off ;x
Oct 05 16:59:50 <mwester> abraxa_:  Thanks.  Maybe I should turn on signin/signoff messages in my client...
Oct 05 17:00:17 <abraxa_> mwester: ...or maybe he should be more elaborate on his issues ;)
Oct 05 17:02:00 <yoyo> my moto don't charge
Oct 05 17:05:11 <CM> yoyo: Take out the battery
Oct 05 17:05:26 <yoyo> CM: ok and?
Oct 05 17:05:38 <CM> yoyo: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery_Charger#from_deep_discharged_battery
Oct 05 17:05:54 <CM> Wait a little while so that the hardware is reset completely
Oct 05 17:06:29 <CM> Sometimes the gsm-modem is on, sucking all the power while the battery is loading only on 100mW
Oct 05 17:06:52 <CM> yoyo: I've been there, and following those instructions got my neo back :)
Oct 05 17:06:54 <yoyo> CM: nooo. battery is't deeply discharged. it is charged about 60%. System is starting and it don't charge it 
Oct 05 17:06:55 <Jiten> the gsm-modem can function with less power than the rest of the device?
Oct 05 17:07:03 <CM> yoyo: Ah, ok
Oct 05 17:07:21 <mwester> Jiten:  the gsm modem doesn't turn off when you power off the device.
Oct 05 17:07:24 <CM> yoyo: Do you have it plugged into a hub or a laptop?
Oct 05 17:07:38 <CM> yoyo: If not, then I don't know what's wrong
Oct 05 17:07:42 * CM is off to a party
Oct 05 17:08:01 <yoyo> CM: Desktop PC direct without hub
Oct 05 17:08:03 <mwester> Jiten:  This is a known issue, and one that should be easy to fix, but it just hasn't been gotten to yet.
Oct 05 17:08:39 <Jiten> I see
Oct 05 17:09:07 <yoyo> ok is there any info prace (/sys, /proc) where can I get info about power manager state about charging?
Oct 05 17:09:28 <xzcvczx> grrrrr!!!! "sorry we have no more singles of the said item available you will have to order 3000 at 6.76 each"
Oct 05 17:10:42 <orospakr> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+git8993e54b6f397973794f3d6f47d3b3c0c98dd4f6+svn20070819-r0.bin is the good version of u-boot without the nand erasure bug, right?
Oct 05 17:12:01 <mwester> xzcvczx:  You just need to find 2999 other people to do a joint purchase.  No problem.
Oct 05 17:12:16 <cb22> heh
Oct 05 17:14:03 <mwester> Hmm... round up the purchase price per person to an even 7, that 0.24 profit each, or 719.76 -- one could make a tidy profit that way! :)
Oct 05 17:14:32 <Jiten> yes, assuming you find people willing to buy nearly all of them :P
Oct 05 17:15:05 <xzcvczx> ok so who wants one?
Oct 05 17:15:17 <xzcvczx> they are teleportation chips for the phone :P
Oct 05 17:15:31 <xzcvczx> run off i2c 3v
Oct 05 17:15:48 <cb22> nifty, are they the flux compatable models?
Oct 05 17:15:55 <cb22> i want to run a time machine in mine too
Oct 05 17:15:57 <mwester> Hmmm...  would they teleport the Neo, or the user of the Neo?
Oct 05 17:15:59 <xzcvczx> yup
Oct 05 17:16:03 <xzcvczx> mwester: both
Oct 05 17:16:08 <mwester> Sold!
Oct 05 17:16:13 <xzcvczx> 10secs from lax to heathrow
Oct 05 17:16:21 * mwester hates the airlines intensely anymore.
Oct 05 17:16:22 <xzcvczx> sweet 2998 to go
Oct 05 17:16:53 <cb22> hmm?
Oct 05 17:16:53 <xzcvczx> cmon people only $6.76 and it will save you thousands in air travel
Oct 05 17:17:01 <cb22> did *.openmoko.org just stop resolving?
Oct 05 17:17:08 <cb22> nope
Oct 05 17:17:09 <cb22> its me
Oct 05 17:17:46 <xzcvczx> wiki's going awfly slow for me
Oct 05 17:18:02 <xzcvczx> but thats a cached dns probably
Oct 05 17:18:18 <xzcvczx> or just 2 downloads going at the same time
Oct 05 17:18:25 <xzcvczx> but i think it might be the former
Oct 05 17:19:29 <xzcvczx> so noone wants teleportation chips :O fits easily inside the handset and they have a linux compatible binary for it already in the openmoko distro its called <DO NOT DO THIS>rm -rf /</SERIOUSLY DO NOT DO THIS>
Oct 05 17:19:52 <xzcvczx> cb22: nah it was just my downloads going
Oct 05 17:29:44 <orospakr> hm, I just confirmed that the Qtopia build doesn't work with either of my SIM cards, either
Oct 05 17:32:05 <xzcvczx> orospakr: yeah seems to be a gsm firmware issue
Oct 05 17:32:44 <orospakr> xzcvczx: yeah, I figured. I was hoping to see if I could distinguish between a SIM that works and another that doesn't, but no luck.
Oct 05 17:33:06 <orospakr> xzcvczx: still, how do you this bug getting fixed? the modem isn't user flashable at all, is it?
Oct 05 17:33:18 <zilt> orospakr: could be rogers.  My SIM won't register either - and it's from 2000
Oct 05 17:33:19 <orospakr> s/you this/you think this/
Oct 05 17:33:21 <apt> orospakr meant: xzcvczx: still, how do you think this bug getting fixed? the modem isn't user flashable at all, is it?
Oct 05 17:33:30 <orospakr> argh, I fail at regexes and grammar.
Oct 05 17:34:00 <orospakr> zilt: yeah, I both of my cards are fairly old: one is from 2005, and the is from god knows when.
Oct 05 17:34:08 <orospakr> the one from 2005 is from my daily phone.
Oct 05 17:34:36 <xzcvczx> orospakr: daresay they will eventually release software to do it
Oct 05 17:34:44 <xzcvczx> depends on what they can sort out with ti
Oct 05 17:34:48 <zilt> I tried it with a build from yesterday - no luck.  I'm waiting for the next qtopia build to try it with that since most people seem to have success with it
Oct 05 17:36:23 <zilt> orospakr: I'm just afraid that Rogers is now banning the Neo - do you know of anyone that has it working on Rogers?
Oct 05 17:36:33 <orospakr> zilt: I doubt that's the problem.
Oct 05 17:36:43 <orospakr> zilt: I know another guy in town who has one. I'll ask him.
Oct 05 17:36:55 <orospakr> (Rogers and Rogers-owned fido are the only providers in town)
Oct 05 17:36:59 <orospakr> in the country, in fact.
Oct 05 17:37:10 <zilt> orospakr:  Yup - I know - I'm in Ottawa
Oct 05 17:37:17 <orospakr> ... likewise. :)
Oct 05 17:37:39 <orospakr> zilt: well, if you're in ottawa: www.goslingcommunity.org
Oct 05 17:38:53 <zilt> orospakr: ah yes - I read about that a couple of times a year in the pape:)
Oct 05 17:39:05 <zilt> s/pape/paper/g
Oct 05 17:39:05 <apt> zilt meant: orospakr: ah yes - I read about that a couple of times a year in the paper:)
Oct 05 17:39:29 <orospakr> zilt: then you should come to the parliament pub today at 4:30. :D
Oct 05 17:40:25 <zilt> orospakr:  would be nice - but I just got back from a long lunch - and I promised to get the prototype checked in for today at work.. next time :)
Oct 05 17:40:39 <orospakr> aw, too bad.
Oct 05 17:40:42 <orospakr> see you then!
Oct 05 17:41:12 <zilt> orospakr: THis was the last industry event I was at in Ottawa: http://www.igda.org/ottawa/reports/20_09_07.shtml
Oct 05 17:42:10 <orospakr> heh, I didn't even know about that!
Oct 05 17:42:23 <zilt> orospakr: Have you been able to dial out at all?
Oct 05 17:42:36 <orospakr> zilt: not ever.  The model dies on registration.
Oct 05 17:42:41 <orospakr> s/model/modem/
Oct 05 17:42:41 <apt> orospakr meant: zilt: not ever.  The modem dies on registration.
Oct 05 17:43:28 <zilt> hmm.. same here - and I've been trying almost daily with fresh build - we can't both have bad neos?
Oct 05 17:47:45 <orospakr> yeah, blame TI. :)
Oct 05 18:01:27 <yoyo> sija
Oct 05 18:17:12 <orospakr> crap, how do I build the browser again?
Oct 05 18:17:17 <orospakr> make build-openmoko-browser2?
Oct 05 18:19:39 <abraxa_> make build-package-openmoko-browser2
Oct 05 18:19:57 <statim> does anyone know if openmoko will have a CDMA network compatibility? right now all i see is GSM?
Oct 05 18:19:58 <aloril> statim: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
Oct 05 18:20:06 <abraxa_> statim: CDMA won't happen, sorry
Oct 05 18:20:15 <statim> abraxa_: ever?
Oct 05 18:20:48 <abraxa_> That of course is up to FIC but I would be majorly surprised if they'd produce a CDMA device - the market is just too small
Oct 05 18:22:04 <statim> ok cool... this is the perfect project, so needed
Oct 05 18:22:06 <orospakr> btw, I'm seeing messages like: "<4>pcf50606_irq: entering(irq=53, pcf=c07e0800): scheduling work" and "<4>pcf50606_work: INT1=0x40 INT2=0x00 INT3=0x01:SECOND ADCRDY" in my kernel ring buffer.
Oct 05 18:25:14 <loufoque> statim: UMTS is considered for future models
Oct 05 18:28:41 <mwester> orospakr:  Normal chatter.  Hopefully that will be disabled at some point.
Oct 05 18:29:52 <orospakr> mwester, I figured as much.
Oct 05 18:30:18 <Elrond> ~seen ph5
Oct 05 18:30:20 <Elrond> ~seen zdanek
Oct 05 18:30:21 <apt> ph5 <n=ph5@e178209143.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 21h 36m 58s ago, saying: 'that should give "AT+CBC\r+CBC: 0,0\r\n0\r"'.
Oct 05 18:30:22 <apt> zdanek <n=ds@fw2.autoguard.pl> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 1d 8h 24m 54s ago, saying: 'does anybody know are there USB Host drivers inside  of kernel?'.
Oct 05 18:30:45 <Elrond> Hi abraxa_ BTW! :)  Have you seen mickeyl today?
Oct 05 18:30:52 <abraxa_> Heya Elrond!
Oct 05 18:31:02 <abraxa_> No, I haven't - he doesn't seem to be back yet
Oct 05 18:31:13 <Elrond> Ahh. :-|
Oct 05 18:31:50 <statim> loufoque: sorry but what is umts?
Oct 05 18:32:48 <orospakr> heh, I got bug #911: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=911
Oct 05 18:32:53 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page/ru]] [[Neo1973_USB_host]]
Oct 05 18:36:05 <loufoque> statim: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS
Oct 05 18:37:11 <mjr> in short, the 3g tech the rest of the world is using
Oct 05 18:37:49 <orospakr> The Neo doesn't support UMTS now, afaik.  I assume newer revs will?
Oct 05 18:37:56 <SpeedEvil> No.
Oct 05 18:38:02 <SpeedEvil> Probably other related phones will
Oct 05 18:38:07 <orospakr> ah, right.
Oct 05 18:38:11 <SpeedEvil> at least not the one coming out in December
Oct 05 18:38:31 <SpeedEvil> I would personally be astonished to see one (from FIC) in 2008
Oct 05 18:38:52 <orospakr> dang.
Oct 05 18:39:10 <loufoque> SpeedEvil: it's coming out in december now?
Oct 05 18:39:26 <SpeedEvil> loufoque: that's the latest I'm aware of.
Oct 05 18:39:28 <Fatal> loufoque: see topic
Oct 05 18:39:46 <loufoque> I thought december was supposed to be mass market
Oct 05 18:40:19 <SpeedEvil> December is 'anyone can buy'
Oct 05 18:40:38 <SpeedEvil> first comes a developer preview, where it's tested to make sure there are no showstopper bugs
Oct 05 18:41:08 <SpeedEvil> If the end-user software is ready come December, then off we go.
Oct 05 18:41:10 <SpeedEvil> But...
Oct 05 18:47:55 <loufoque> the GTA02 is mono now? So it's the end of using it as an MP3 player...
Oct 05 18:48:44 <SpeedEvil> mono speaker
Oct 05 18:48:49 <SpeedEvil> earphones are stereo
Oct 05 18:48:54 <SpeedEvil> as is bluetooth
Oct 05 18:48:57 <SpeedEvil> and wifi.
Oct 05 18:49:05 <mjr> and usb
Oct 05 18:49:31 <viq> stereo usb??
Oct 05 18:49:45 <keitsi> usb soundcard can be stereo.
Oct 05 18:49:47 <MichaelShiloh>  /msg nickserv identify MichaelShiloh
Oct 05 18:49:48 <mjr> you weren't wondering about stereo wifi?
Oct 05 18:49:55 <mjr> and what keitsi said
Oct 05 18:50:38 <viq> mjr: well, wifi can operate on two standards, so that could count ;)
Oct 05 18:50:41 <hhf423> re
Oct 05 18:51:06 <MichaelShiloh> dunno if you just discussed this, but the second speaker had to be removed to make room for the wifi chips. most people feel this was a worthwhile tradeoff.
Oct 05 18:51:07 <paroneayea> well that's a bit unsettling
Oct 05 18:51:35 <paroneayea> I opened up the phone and plugged in the usb cable... it's making a loud "whee" noise when I have it plugged in
Oct 05 18:51:54 <paroneayea> also, it's not booting, it flashes white when I try to boot it.  Maybe it needs to be charged more?
Oct 05 18:52:59 <SpeedEvil> Do you have the battery in?
Oct 05 18:53:13 <paroneayea> yep
Oct 05 18:53:32 <viq> MichaelShiloh: I wasn't fully aware of that "make room" rationale, but I am fine with it
Oct 05 18:53:45 <SpeedEvil> I'd remove usb, battery, 
Oct 05 18:53:46 <hhf423> paroneayea: remove the battery, wait 20mins, put battery back in, charge for 30-40mins, only then boot phone
Oct 05 18:53:54 <SpeedEvil> wait 10 mins, put battery back in
Oct 05 18:54:00 <SpeedEvil> then ãhatge
Oct 05 18:54:28 <paroneayea> hhf423: thanks
Oct 05 18:55:36 <hhf423> paroneayea: you just got your Neo?
Oct 05 18:57:04 * hhf423 looks at openmoko buildhost and falls from chair -> the latest build is still from 17th of Sept...
Oct 05 18:57:49 <hhf423> no semiofficial build from OpenMoko since Qtopia came out. That sends the right message, I would say!
Oct 05 18:58:11 <abraxa_> Yeah, it says that Mickey is getting his well-deserved holidays :)
Oct 05 19:00:13 <MichaelShiloh> I can see that getting used to IRC will take me some time. I need to make sure I respond to the right thread:
Oct 05 19:01:14 <MichaelShiloh> hhf423: No particular message WRT Qtopia. Just busy I would say.
Oct 05 19:03:09 <hhf423> there the wish is father of the thought as we say in Germany
Oct 05 19:03:31 <emre_>  Am I the only one having problems with the sound?
Oct 05 19:05:15 <abraxa_> emre_: What kind of problem?
Oct 05 19:06:05 <emre_> very strange, when I ssh and use ogg123 it generally works, but when I do it by opening a terminal in the device it does not.
Oct 05 19:07:58 <emre_> it says, "could not load default driver and no driver specified in config file. Exiting"
Oct 05 19:11:19 <emre_> it behaves really strange. now it doesn't work neither with the ssh. I tried ~10 times and 2 of them worked.
Oct 05 19:14:41 <emre_> OK, I've found out the reason of the strange behavior. After the touch click sound the ogg123 stops working until I make "alsactl restore" and wait for a while.
Oct 05 19:14:49 <ar0x> ~seen roh
Oct 05 19:14:52 <apt> roh is currently on #oe #openmoko. Has said a total of 44 messages. Is idling for 1d 7h 12m 45s, last said: 'nibbo_ stinks like gcc3 vs gcc4 .. which gcc are you using?'.
Oct 05 19:17:37 <LionKMP> hi! what way do you use to run/develop moko apps? There are so many ways described on the website. I tried QEmu with automatic make thing, quite slow. I tried "running apps on pc" but that does not compile.
Oct 05 19:17:51 <LionKMP> can that "on pc" compile using x86_64 linux?
Oct 05 19:19:00 <LionKMP> No package 'libecal-1.2' found
Oct 05 19:19:07 <LionKMP> [lion@localhost openmoko-libs]$ rpm -q lib64ecal7
Oct 05 19:19:07 <LionKMP> lib64ecal7-1.8.0-1.2mdv2007.0
Oct 05 19:20:35 <ljp> wow. my build actually built.. all the way from sratch.
Oct 05 19:21:21 <abraxa_> LionKMP: What exactly are you trying to compile?
Oct 05 19:21:37 <LionKMP> abraxa_: this one: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/How_to_run_OpenMoko_Apps_on_PC
Oct 05 19:21:58 <LionKMP> step 1 of "libgsmd" succeeded, but then the openmoko libs step fails.
Oct 05 19:22:34 <LionKMP> "Set up the environment" this section fails with dependency check pasted above.
Oct 05 19:22:52 <LionKMP> is that doc up to date? it works with OM-2007 (not 2007.2)
Oct 05 19:24:09 <abraxa_> Pretty much should work the same way, except that some libs (e.g. libmokojournal2) also need gtk-doc
Oct 05 19:25:00 <LionKMP> it also misses to detect libgsmd, what I compiled to default location (/usr/local/lib).  No package 'libgsmd' found
Oct 05 19:25:34 <LionKMP> any ideas how to repair these 2 lib dependencies? will lib64ecal7-1.8 work?
Oct 05 19:26:22 <abraxa_> What does a "pkg-config --libs gsmd" say?
Oct 05 19:26:49 <LionKMP> Package gsmd was not found in the pkg-config search path.
Oct 05 19:26:55 <abraxa_> libgsmd, I mean
Oct 05 19:27:35 <LionKMP> I think this /usr/local/lib is not added by default by Mandriva. (Dunno how to change/check)
Oct 05 19:27:46 <LionKMP> Package libgsmd was not found in the pkg-config search path.
Oct 05 19:28:13 <abraxa_> At any rate, using a sandbox is highly recommended anyway because all these libs are under major development
Oct 05 19:28:47 <abraxa_> i.e. ./configure --prefix=/home/moo/moko/sandbox
Oct 05 19:29:47 <LionKMP> yes, sounds good idea, the doc does not explicitly advice that. Even says, if I use nondefault prefix, I will need to change other things too. Thus I used default :-p
Oct 05 19:31:05 <abraxa_> The wiki page needs updating anyway...
Oct 05 19:31:50 <LionKMP> can I tell autogen.sh (or the commands in it) to use /usr/local/lib too, and somehow tell it to use lib64ecal7 (if that would work)
Oct 05 19:32:20 <LionKMP> libgsmd files are there in /usr/local/lib.
Oct 05 19:33:17 <LionKMP> I try PKG_CONFIG_PATH 
Oct 05 19:34:04 <abraxa_> That would work for pkg_config, yes, though it doesn't make make put the files there also
Oct 05 19:34:12 <meshuga> what prebuilt rootfs are you guys using?
Oct 05 19:34:26 <abraxa_> None?
Oct 05 19:34:35 <meshuga> well i just got my device
Oct 05 19:34:42 <meshuga> i want to mess with prebuilt before building my own :)
Oct 05 19:35:18 <abraxa_> Mess in what way? Just grab one off the build host, flash it to the Neo, ssh into it and toy around? :)
Oct 05 19:35:29 <meshuga>  ya thats what i'm saying
Oct 05 19:35:32 <ozarka> meshauga:  I used the 2007.2 (going by memory) and the Qtopia ones
Oct 05 19:35:40 <meshuga> ozarka: thx
Oct 05 19:35:54 <ozarka> 2007.2 is worth it just to hear the startup sound.  :-)
Oct 05 19:36:30 <meshuga> haha
Oct 05 19:37:10 <emre_> Any comments about the sound issue?
Oct 05 19:37:29 <meshuga> theres sound issues?
Oct 05 19:37:41 <meshuga> i got this device to test a voip application (i work for a software company)
Oct 05 19:37:52 <abraxa_> emre_: The click sound stems from PulseAudio whereas ogg123 probably isn't PulseAudio-aware
Oct 05 19:38:03 <abraxa_> emre_: So there might be a conflict
Oct 05 19:38:06 <emre_> hmm, so, it is directly accessing alsa?
Oct 05 19:38:18 <abraxa_> That would be my guess
Oct 05 19:38:45 <emre_> ok, possible. do you know a program in the rootfs to play files which is pulse aware?
Oct 05 19:42:38 <LionKMP> ok, thanks anyway, I'll try with a later version later. bye
Oct 05 19:44:11 <abraxa_> emre_: You can try an "ipkg install pulseaudio" and using paplay - not sure if it supports ogg, though
Oct 05 19:44:28 <emre_> abraxa_: ok, let me try.
Oct 05 19:48:33 <emre_> abraxa_: I've installed pulseaudio but there is no paplay executable installed..
Oct 05 19:55:04 <abraxa_> Hmm
Oct 05 19:56:39 <emre_> abraxa_: ok I found the package. pulseaudio-misc. trying now.
Oct 05 19:58:53 <emre_> abraxa_: Thanks, it works now.
Oct 05 19:59:34 <abraxa_> I'm glad, and good to know it's in pulseaudio-misc - I didn't know that it was split up
Oct 05 20:11:48 <bedboi> hi there
Oct 05 20:11:54 <bedboi> what's the latest image of qtopia?
Oct 05 20:12:02 <bedboi> i need a working phone for the next two days
Oct 05 20:12:16 <ynezz> then, buy nokia :p
Oct 05 20:14:29 <apollo13> I start qemu, with the parameters falsh.sh gave me and the pcf_write: charging in Qualification Mode. pcf_write: charge voltage 4.20V comes up and nothing else happens any ideas?
Oct 05 20:14:45 <SpeedEvil> what's the voltage?
Oct 05 20:14:54 <SpeedEvil> if it's 4.2V, it doesn't need charged.
Oct 05 20:15:06 <abraxa_> SpeedEvil: qemu ;)
Oct 05 20:15:11 <SpeedEvil> ah
Oct 05 20:15:12 <apollo13> at least it says so...
Oct 05 20:15:29 <apollo13> hmm it started booting now
Oct 05 20:15:30 <SpeedEvil> Does it come with an emulated DMM?
Oct 05 20:16:00 <apollo13> s3c_adc_write: Bad register 0x8 comes up a few times, but it goes on. I don't even know what dmm is
Oct 05 20:16:40 <apollo13> ui starting now :)
Oct 05 20:16:55 <SpeedEvil> Digital multimeter.
Oct 05 20:17:04 <SpeedEvil> A voltage meter you'd use to measure a physical battery.
Oct 05 20:17:40 <apollo13> well I know what a digital multimeter is, I don't know I just followed the instructions on the wiki page
Oct 05 20:17:45 <ljp> bedboi: theres one at qtopia.net, oe SpeedyCats site
Oct 05 20:17:53 <SpeedEvil> Dunno.
Oct 05 20:17:55 <apollo13> but it booted know, so this shouldn't be a problem
Oct 05 20:17:56 <ljp> or
Oct 05 20:18:01 <SpeedEvil> I've not done the qemu thing.
Oct 05 20:18:53 <apollo13> any idea what's wrong when the top bar (today, bluetooth etc...) show up but the rest not?
Oct 05 20:21:12 <bedboi> LOL
Oct 05 20:21:13 <bedboi> http://www.nokia.com/A4126298
Oct 05 20:21:24 <bedboi> Precious Metals, Sapphire and Ceramics Commodity Team Manager 
Oct 05 20:21:26 <bedboi> lol
Oct 05 20:21:50 <abraxa_> apollo13: Wait some more?
Oct 05 20:22:07 <apollo13> hmm let's see :)
Oct 05 20:22:15 <tushyd> apollo13: that happened to me too, waiting did the trick. :)
Oct 05 20:22:30 <bedboi> what will do this team manager for precious metals, sapphire and ceramics commodity ?
Oct 05 20:32:14 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Talk:OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] [[Talk:HXD8]]
Oct 05 20:34:15 <apollo13> ok the interface got up now :) how long am I supposed to wait until the screen changes to contacts? I hate waiting :(
Oct 05 20:36:50 <tushyd> any news on the ATT fireball SIMs?
Oct 05 20:42:21 <bkruse> tushyd: whats special about them?
Oct 05 20:44:07 <hhf423> ok, dialer2 is not writing the GSM cell ID into some log?
Oct 05 20:44:22 <hhf423> so I could see there which cells I was passing by?
Oct 05 20:45:36 <tushyd> bkruse: they're 3G SIMs that were reported not working.. I was just wondering if that had changed
Oct 05 20:46:30 <hhf423> I have a 3G SIM which is working and one which does not. The one which does not is ca a year old, the working one is new
Oct 05 20:47:02 <tushyd> hm, interesting
Oct 05 20:47:28 <bkruse> tushyd: Not working all together or in the neo?
Oct 05 20:47:40 <tushyd> in the neo 
Oct 05 20:47:41 <bkruse> tushyd: ahh, thats what I thought, i always heard them called "3gsim" or whatever
Oct 05 20:47:45 <bkruse> tushyd: thats no good! :[
Oct 05 20:48:08 <tushyd> yeah, I have to talk to ATT to see if I can trade my 3g card for an older one
Oct 05 20:48:40 <hhf423> the newer 3G one works for me, so I will request to have me old 3G updated
Oct 05 20:49:15 <tushyd> that makes sense, I guess I'll have to wait till the gta2 comes out
Oct 05 20:49:23 <tushyd> to try it
Oct 05 20:49:39 <hhf423> bedboi: latest qtopia image is from oct 02 from scaredycat
Oct 05 20:50:00 <bedboi> ok thanks
Oct 05 20:50:16 <hhf423> this is cool: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_USB_host
Oct 05 20:51:12 <tushyd> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_USB_host/wiki/Neo1973_USB_host
Oct 05 20:51:12 <tushyd> *** Zoolooc_ is now known as Zoolooc
Oct 05 20:51:12 <tushyd> [1] 15:51 tushyd on #openmoko (+n) * type /help for help
Oct 05 20:51:12 <tushyd> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_USB_host
Oct 05 20:57:00 <AbrahamZ`> hi
Oct 05 20:57:32 <AbrahamZ`> I there a way to have a preview of the neo1973 interface on my computer ?
Oct 05 20:57:32 <aloril> AbrahamZ`: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
Oct 05 20:57:44 <SpeedEvil> AbrahamZ`: search qemu on the wiki
Oct 05 20:57:55 <AbrahamZ`> yes I donwloaded the openmoko-emulator-win32-bin-20070625.zip
Oct 05 20:58:07 <AbrahamZ`> but I doesn't work well
Oct 05 20:58:13 <AbrahamZ`> it doesn't*
Oct 05 20:58:16 <SpeedEvil> What's the problem?
Oct 05 20:58:35 <AbrahamZ`> When I launch the bat file, A console is appearing
Oct 05 20:58:41 <AbrahamZ`> lots of messages
Oct 05 20:58:51 <AbrahamZ`> I waited for 5 mn
Oct 05 20:59:00 <AbrahamZ`> but it wasn't finished
Oct 05 20:59:07 <SpeedEvil> Continue waiting.
Oct 05 20:59:20 <AbrahamZ`> ok, how long is it on your computer ?
Oct 05 20:59:21 <SpeedEvil> As I understand it, qemu can be very slow.
Oct 05 20:59:24 <Lukl> Will I be able to buy a GTA02 before christmas?
Oct 05 20:59:33 <SpeedEvil> The real device takes 2 mins +
Oct 05 20:59:38 <SpeedEvil> lik: maybe
Oct 05 20:59:38 <Lukl> with openmoko beta or what i shall call it
Oct 05 21:00:12 <SpeedEvil> OpenMoko is the continually evolving software - which you can download now - it just doesn't work very well as a phone at the moment.
Oct 05 21:00:12 <AbrahamZ`> 2 mins.. it's hge for a mobile phone
Oct 05 21:00:21 <AbrahamZ`> better not switch it off
Oct 05 21:00:25 <poseidon> lol
Oct 05 21:00:38 <SpeedEvil> AbrahamZ`: it's irrelevant. Firstly, booting will be speeded up - secondly - normally it will never switch 'off'.
Oct 05 21:00:43 <SpeedEvil> just go to suspend-RAM
Oct 05 21:00:58 <SpeedEvil> Unless it's 'off' for a week - then it may suspend-flash
Oct 05 21:01:00 <AbrahamZ`> like windows-xp "Hibernate" ?
Oct 05 21:01:03 <SpeedEvil> yes
Oct 05 21:01:06 <AbrahamZ`> ok
Oct 05 21:01:07 <Lukl> Yes but I wonder if I can buy the GTA02 with an unstable openmoko or something :P
Oct 05 21:01:13 <SpeedEvil> resume in under a second or so.
Oct 05 21:01:16 <SpeedEvil> Lukl: yes
Oct 05 21:01:23 <Lukl> my hands can't wait much longer to hold it :P
Oct 05 21:01:34 <SpeedEvil> Lukl: when the hardware becomes available it's unlikely the software will be in an end-user suitable form.
Oct 05 21:01:45 <Lukl> SpeedEvil, Is there a date set or something?
Oct 05 21:01:58 <SpeedEvil> Lukl: 'early december' is about as good as we've got.
Oct 05 21:02:03 <ozarka> Lukl:  Didn't you read the topic?
Oct 05 21:02:08 <SpeedEvil> There are a number of things that need to happenf irst.
Oct 05 21:02:17 <ozarka> First rule of #openmoko, don't talk about GTA02.  :-)
Oct 05 21:02:39 <ljp> GTA02! GTA02!
Oct 05 21:02:44 <meshuga> anyone know where the dfu-util is?
Oct 05 21:02:46 <poseidon> GTA03 !
Oct 05 21:02:47 <ozarka> Stop it!
Oct 05 21:02:52 <meshuga> i cant locate a compiled copy
Oct 05 21:03:03 <meshuga> and i'm using knoppix
Oct 05 21:03:07 <ozarka> mesahuga: I couldn't find one this morning, either.
Oct 05 21:03:13 <meshuga> if anyone has a linux/i386 bin thatd be great
Oct 05 21:03:22 <dcordes> hi
Oct 05 21:03:29 <poseidon> yo
Oct 05 21:04:11 <meshuga> nm found it
Oct 05 21:04:23 <dcordes> I need gta02
Oct 05 21:04:28 <meshuga> ozarka: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/
Oct 05 21:04:33 <meshuga> ozarka: in case you were wondering
Oct 05 21:05:30 <ljp> we need GTA02 to really test voip
Oct 05 21:05:40 <ozarka> mesahuga: Thanks.  I flashed with an older one, but from the docs it looked like it had been updated.
Oct 05 21:05:46 <ozarka> Old one still flashed fine.
Oct 05 21:06:44 <dcordes> somebody heard of motorola/trolltech deal?
Oct 05 21:07:59 <AbrahamZ`> SpeedEvil : X server is started under qemu
Oct 05 21:08:03 <AbrahamZ`> no more console message
Oct 05 21:08:05 <SpeedEvil> :)
Oct 05 21:08:17 <AbrahamZ`> but, I just get a cross in the middle of the window
Oct 05 21:08:31 <AbrahamZ`> I can drag it
Oct 05 21:08:40 <AbrahamZ`> but the whole windows is black
Oct 05 21:08:43 <ozarka> dcordes: No.  Tell us about the deal.
Oct 05 21:08:47 <AbrahamZ`> So I don't know what to do
Oct 05 21:09:45 <AbrahamZ`> I going to take a screenshot
Oct 05 21:12:20 <AbrahamZ`> ah graphics appeared
Oct 05 21:12:22 <dcordes> ozarka: Trolltech anounced a joint venture with motorola. Motorola is going to sell cell phones with qtopia
Oct 05 21:13:16 <meshuga> what does the r0/r2 mean in the uImage filename?
Oct 05 21:13:22 <meshuga> should i just use the latest uimage?
Oct 05 21:13:26 <ozarka> Good for trolltech.  I've got qtopia on my neo today and it's nice.
Oct 05 21:13:41 <meshuga> the r0 one looks like the modified time is newer then the r2 one
Oct 05 21:13:43 <cb22> if the current boot time is 2min+
Oct 05 21:13:45 <meshuga> thats why i'm asking
Oct 05 21:13:48 <AbrahamZ`> motorola system isn't open source..
Oct 05 21:13:50 <AbrahamZ`> is it ?
Oct 05 21:13:54 <cb22> is that IO limited or CPU limited?
Oct 05 21:14:06 <SpeedEvil> cb22: reportedly mainly CPU
Oct 05 21:14:10 <cb22> cool
Oct 05 21:14:11 <meshuga> AbrahamZ`: parts of EZX are, one of motos systems.
Oct 05 21:14:16 <meshuga> what the e3 rokr runs, IIRC
Oct 05 21:14:19 <meshuga> and the moto a780
Oct 05 21:14:23 <cb22> so the faster processor on its own should speed things up
Oct 05 21:14:25 <AbrahamZ`> I have the motorola E1000 phone
Oct 05 21:14:26 <meshuga> its all based off qtopia IIRC
Oct 05 21:14:34 <meshuga> AbrahamZ`: i dont think that one is EZX
Oct 05 21:14:37 <SpeedEvil> cb22: much of it is simply inefficient code, and stuff that nobodies even tried optimising.
Oct 05 21:14:37 <AbrahamZ`> I really dislike the operating system
Oct 05 21:14:39 <AbrahamZ`> ok
Oct 05 21:15:01 <cb22> SpeedEvil, nice
Oct 05 21:15:02 <meshuga> ya ezx is crap
Oct 05 21:15:28 <meshuga> AbrahamZ`: but isnt that why we're all here? :)
Oct 05 21:16:15 <AbrahamZ`> of course, I was wondering why motorola is making such system and at the same time joining TrollTech
Oct 05 21:17:10 <SpeedEvil> Options.
Oct 05 21:17:14 <SpeedEvil> It costs them nothing.
Oct 05 21:17:22 <SpeedEvil> And gains them flexibility.
Oct 05 21:17:33 <SpeedEvil> Nothing in the motorola sense that is.
Oct 05 21:19:23 <AbrahamZ`> Ok, so I can't get a fine preview of neo1973, qemu is too slow (maybe my computer, or I am using a wrong version).
Oct 05 21:19:36 <SpeedEvil> qemu is horribly slow.
Oct 05 21:19:40 <dcordes> I think the fact that future motos will be running qtopia is good because we can install openmoko on them.
Oct 05 21:19:41 <SpeedEvil> what's the computer?
Oct 05 21:19:47 <AbrahamZ`> amd 1800+
Oct 05 21:20:03 <AbrahamZ`> I heard there were ways to boost it up
Oct 05 21:20:25 <AbrahamZ`> with a pseudo-driver under windows
Oct 05 21:21:08 <AbrahamZ`> maybe someone should tell about these way on the wiki
Oct 05 21:21:41 <AbrahamZ`> not me, i'm not expert, but it would be interesting to propose a working preview of the phone
Oct 05 21:21:51 <AbrahamZ`> bye
Oct 05 21:23:04 <ljp> all motorolas linux phones use Qtopia Core
Oct 05 21:25:09 <dcordes> yes and more linux motorola means more openmoko motorola
Oct 05 21:26:07 <ozarka> Not to FUD, but I don't think Motorola has been very open with their linux phones.
Oct 05 21:26:33 <ljp> they havent in the past, no.
Oct 05 21:27:21 <ozarka> Sorry, that was a response to dcordes comment about OM on Motorola.
Oct 05 21:28:01 <dcordes> ozarka: there are achievements with ezx platform phones with OM
Oct 05 21:28:10 <dcordes> see a780
Oct 05 21:28:38 <ozarka> dcordes:  That's good.  Consider me corrected.
Oct 05 21:30:31 <dcordes> http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2007/09/04/openmoko-and-openezx-at-mobile-developer-days-2007/
Oct 05 21:45:00 <WaREX> when for sale?
Oct 05 21:45:29 <WaREX> it says on october, well, its now october
Oct 05 21:45:48 <Fatal> see topic
Oct 05 21:46:09 <WaREX> ups sorry
Oct 05 21:51:37 <ozarka> I think you scared him off, Fatal.  :-)
Oct 05 21:58:01 <Writchie> just got root access to neo from windows XP SP2 running linux in VM ware virtual machine - cool \o/
Oct 05 22:05:51 <Lukl> gnite
Oct 05 22:30:00 <Ghiottone> hi
Oct 05 22:41:01 <CoreDump|home> hey
Oct 05 22:43:41 <Ghiottone> hola
Oct 05 22:45:54 <cb22> hello
Oct 05 22:46:34 <Ghiottone> my new fantastic hyper mega powerful laptop has arrived
Oct 05 22:46:49 <Ghiottone> but I'm not able to install anything on it! :(
Oct 05 22:48:16 * mwester suspects someone forgot to order a cd drive with his new fantastic hyper mega powerful laptop.
Oct 05 22:49:42 <Ghiottone> no. it's just too new and linux refuses to start correctly on it
Oct 05 22:49:53 <Ghiottone> I'm about to give in to a win xp home :(
Oct 05 22:50:49 <emdete> Ghiottone: what's the problem - serial ata? 
Oct 05 22:51:15 <Kensan> Ghiottone: model/maker?
Oct 05 22:51:46 <Ghiottone> it is a Compal IFL91
Oct 05 22:52:16 <Ghiottone> emdete, I don't know. I'm trying to run gparted live cd but it doesn't start
Oct 05 22:52:36 <Ghiottone> it starts only if I specify pci=conf2 or smtg like that
Oct 05 22:52:54 <Ghiottone> but if I do it doesn't find any device on pci
Oct 05 22:52:57 <CoreDump|home> I have yet to see a laptop that wouldn't boot linux. Some need some CMDLINE vodoo tho
Oct 05 22:53:13 <Jiten> Ghiottone: it's always a good idea to check if the stuff you're buying will work with linux, especially so with laptops.
Oct 05 22:53:22 <Jiten> that is ... before buying it.
Oct 05 22:53:35 <Ghiottone> yeah Jiten 
Oct 05 22:53:42 <CoreDump|home> try noapic, nolapic, nopcmcia, noacpi
Oct 05 22:54:06 <Ghiottone> but there have been 3rd party reports of a linux distro running. it's name is sabayon
Oct 05 22:54:27 <Ghiottone> CoreDump|home, good idea
Oct 05 22:55:11 <Kensan> Ghiottone: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=491448
Oct 05 22:55:14 <Kensan> just a guess
Oct 05 22:56:07 <linux-bastle1> hi
Oct 05 22:56:21 <CoreDump|home> hi
Oct 05 22:56:25 <CM> Ghiottone: Sabayon is based on gentoo :)
Oct 05 22:57:28 <Kensan> Ghiottone: it should boot Knoppix (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=cc6761a2bb02b99ed7c6544fcd4568ec&t=535523&highlight=compal+ifl91)
Oct 05 22:57:53 <Jiten> Ghiottone: you trying Ubuntu 7.04 on it?
Oct 05 22:57:54 <meshuga> how do i load up an mp3 into media player?
Oct 05 22:59:09 <Jiten> half the computers I've tried 7.04 on haven't booted at all.
Oct 05 22:59:23 <Jiten> whereas the beta of the next one does.
Oct 05 23:00:06 <linux-bastle1> I'm compiling a x86-OE-Environment with the MokoMakefile for using OpenMoko with Xephyr. Now theres an error while compiling:
Oct 05 23:00:08 <linux-bastle1>  make[1]: Leaving directory `/oldhome/ingmarrieger/openmoko/om_x86/build/tmp/work/i486-angstrom-linux/uboot-openmoko-1.2.0+gitf34024d4a328e6edd906456da98d2c537155c4f7+svn2943-r1/git'
Oct 05 23:00:08 <linux-bastle1> | FATAL: oe_runmake failed
Oct 05 23:00:22 <Fatal> don't look at me
Oct 05 23:00:37 <cb22> hehe
Oct 05 23:00:57 <Kensan> linux-bastle, pastebin the whole error log
Oct 05 23:01:27 <Kensan> Ghiottone: it might be because of your video card /screen resolution
Oct 05 23:02:04 <Ghiottone> I have tried with several *ubuntu but with no success. even with break=top trick it does not seem to work
Oct 05 23:02:15 <Kensan> Ghiottone: try passing vga=771 when booting
Oct 05 23:02:18 <linux-bastle1> Kensan: what means the whole error log? The output of make or the error.log? (I only read about error.log and don't know er it could be)
Oct 05 23:03:03 <Kensan> linux-bastle1: the whole output first. If nobody figures out where the problem is, then you go looking for the log file ;)
Oct 05 23:03:34 <Ghiottone> Kensan, with an older xubuntu it is going forward!
Oct 05 23:04:25 <Kensan> Ghiottone: it's probably the screen resolution of 1280x800 which is non-standard
Oct 05 23:05:21 <Kensan> Ghiottone: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xresprobe/+bug/127008
Oct 05 23:05:34 <Ghiottone> no it seems that first stopper problem was lacking of piix module... at least in the old xubuntu
Oct 05 23:06:04 <Kensan> k
Oct 05 23:06:25 <linux-bastle1> here ist my make output: http://pastebin.com/d6521dc3f
Oct 05 23:06:30 <Kensan> Ghiottone: it seems very much like the bug I posted the link to.
Oct 05 23:07:16 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 806 has been created by speedevil(AT)mauve.plus.com
Oct 05 23:07:18 <cdbot2> * * Standby voltage set to 2.1V, not 1.8V as datasheet says.
Oct 05 23:07:20 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=806
Oct 05 23:07:28 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 807 has been created by cesarb(AT)cesarb.net
Oct 05 23:07:30 <cdbot2> * * Always true test makes it impossible to dial
Oct 05 23:07:32 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=807
Oct 05 23:07:40 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 808 has been created by cwixon(AT)usa.net
Oct 05 23:07:42 <cdbot2> * * Nonexistent $HOME breaks stuff
Oct 05 23:07:44 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=808
Oct 05 23:07:52 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 809 has been created by polz(AT)aufbix.org
Oct 05 23:07:54 <cdbot2> * * missing dependancy on vte
Oct 05 23:07:56 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=809
Oct 05 23:08:04 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 810 has been created by jdi(AT)l4x.org
Oct 05 23:08:06 <cdbot2> * * constant white screen and vibrator on
Oct 05 23:08:08 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=810
Oct 05 23:08:17 <cdbot2> * * Flood control triggered, clearing queue...
Oct 05 23:08:20 <cdbot2> * * [421] pending messages removed.
Oct 05 23:08:33 <SpeedEvil> BacklogsRus!
Oct 05 23:10:52 <CM> SpeedEvil: Looks like you started the flood ;)
Oct 05 23:11:49 <CoreDump|home> sorry for that ;)
Oct 05 23:11:50 <Ghiottone> Kensan, mmm no. my video card is a nvidia 8600 and probably it's not working as its id are not yet recognized
Oct 05 23:12:03 <Ghiottone> Kensan, but that is not important for the immediate future.
Oct 05 23:12:21 <Ghiottone> Kensan, by the way I've just been able to repartition the disk. thanks!
Oct 05 23:15:44 <kristian-m> hi there
Oct 05 23:16:02 <Bish_> hi kristian-m 
Oct 05 23:16:58 <Ghiottone> hey kristian-m 
Oct 05 23:17:18 <kristian-m> Ghiottone have you tryed pyPenNotes yet?
Oct 05 23:17:18 <Writchie> mwester: ping
Oct 05 23:17:34 <kristian-m> Ghiottone this is really usefull
Oct 05 23:18:36 <Ghiottone> eheh
Oct 05 23:18:37 <kristian-m> Ghiottone I'll work on it that weekend, so you 0.1 would not need to be packaged yet
Oct 05 23:18:54 <Ghiottone> I've had a look at the screenshot. it seems nice
Oct 05 23:19:06 <Ghiottone> I had some problems with smstools
Oct 05 23:19:07 <Kensan> Ghiottone: ok, good to hear.
Oct 05 23:19:32 <Ghiottone> I tried to do it last night. but It complained about missing .py
Oct 05 23:19:42 * Ghiottone goes to take his neo
Oct 05 23:20:46 <kristian-m> Ghiottone ah, right there is a problem with the setup.py hmm.
Oct 05 23:21:18 <kristian-m> Ghiottone I'm on it
Oct 05 23:21:58 <Ghiottone> I had to comment the install-scripts line in settingsgui's setup.cfg for it to work
Oct 05 23:22:38 <linux-bastle1> my problem is solved. josch helped me on #neo1973-germany
Oct 05 23:23:21 <CIA-23> openmoko: 03laforge * r3091 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (series uboot-nand_write_yaffs.patch): add an (untested) patch to correctly write yaffs2 oob data
Oct 05 23:25:31 <Ghiottone> kristian-m, one thing I noticed is that settings gui uses and import from a package, while smstools imports the module directly
Oct 05 23:26:02 <cb22> Ghiottone, what do you mean?
Oct 05 23:26:12 <cb22> like from foo import bar
Oct 05 23:26:13 <cb22> vs
Oct 05 23:26:17 <cb22> import foo
Oct 05 23:27:13 * mwester sees "(untested) patch" and hopes that *somebody* locked down the uboot srcrev in OE...
Oct 05 23:27:18 <mwester> Writchie:  pong!
Oct 05 23:27:45 <kristian-m> Ghiottone right I pllan to change that in 0.8 so that only the script file starts a file from the package and this one then is the actual class to start the app... - but that makes no sense for a two file program - i'll import the right path in smstool
Oct 05 23:29:04 <Ghiottone> cb22, yes
Oct 05 23:29:41 <Ghiottone> it seems that removing that line from setup.cfg worked from pyPenNotes
Oct 05 23:29:50 <Ghiottone> I'm about to do some tests and upload it
Oct 05 23:30:33 <kristian-m> Ghiottone have fun :-) - screenshot your drawings - it's fun
Oct 05 23:30:54 <Ghiottone> eheheh
Oct 05 23:31:13 <Writchie> mwester: i was able to connect to neo over usb using both VMware Workstation and player from WinXPSP2
Oct 05 23:31:21 <Ghiottone> what's the right FAT32 number for partition types in fdisk?
Oct 05 23:33:13 <mwester> Writchie:  can you use dfu-util to flash it as well?
Oct 05 23:33:19 * mjr read "prayer"
Oct 05 23:33:51 <Writchie> mwester: i'll be testing that (neo in u-boot) soon
Oct 05 23:33:59 <kristian-m> Ghiottone i'd use 'c'
Oct 05 23:34:47 <Ghiottone> thanks
Oct 05 23:44:40 <Ghiottone> ok pyPenNotes working
Oct 05 23:44:44 <Ghiottone> I'm uploading it.
Oct 05 23:45:11 <Ghiottone> SMStool instead says that ProcessInterface is not found
Oct 05 23:49:38 <kristian-m> Ghiottone it should be sufficient to use "import smstool.ProcessInterface" in SMSTool.py - but it's not working here... hmm
Oct 05 23:53:28 <kristian-m> Ghiottone ah got it - you have to touch a __init__.py in the dir
Oct 05 23:55:16 <Ghiottone> I've found that problem earlier but then it disappeared
Oct 05 23:55:25 <Ghiottone> touching it makes the import work?
Oct 05 23:58:44 <kristian-m> Ghiottone the package is only valid if a __init__.py exists in the package dir
Oct 05 23:59:00 <kristian-m> Ghiottone otherwhise import isn't working
Oct 05 23:59:46 <kristian-m> Ghiottone but I still have to change the import a bit - wait I'll test and upload it
Oct 06 00:00:17 <Ghiottone> I see
Oct 06 00:04:51 <kristian-m> Ghiottone okay fixed. - this setup.py stuff is a bit tricky
Oct 06 00:06:08 <Ghiottone> great
Oct 06 00:06:27 <Ghiottone> let me know when you have uploaded the sources
Oct 06 00:07:28 <kristian-m> Ghiottone http://mput.de/~kristian/.openmoko/SMSTool-0.3c.tar.bz2
Oct 06 00:10:22 <Ghiottone> did you also think of icons for these new programs?
Oct 06 00:10:55 <kristian-m> Ghiottone there is one with a pen in openmoko, wait...
Oct 06 00:14:29 <kristian-m> Ghiottone hmm no there's not. okay let's just take the gtk-directory for now
Oct 06 00:16:28 <Ghiottone> for smstool I chose one
Oct 06 00:16:53 <kristian-m> Ghiottone yea thats a good one
Oct 06 00:17:05 <Ghiottone> but it's not there anymore mmm
Oct 06 00:17:19 <kristian-m> Ghiottone it's still working here
Oct 06 00:17:48 <Ghiottone> version?
Oct 06 00:17:57 <Ghiottone> oh probably X restart is needed
Oct 06 00:19:13 <kristian-m> Ghiottone it's a build from oct 3rd
Oct 06 00:21:12 <Ghiottone> yeah but I messed things a bit here in testing new version
Oct 06 00:21:45 <Ghiottone> still not ther
Oct 06 00:21:46 <Ghiottone> e
Oct 06 00:28:01 <kristian-m> Ghiottone they should be in /usr/share/icons/openmoko-standard/48x48/stock/mail-message-new.png
Oct 06 00:28:13 <kristian-m> ... and 36
Oct 06 00:31:20 <Ghiottone> oh yes I still have the sources. in fact I reenabled it for 0.3 and I'm testing
Oct 06 00:31:27 <Ghiottone> what about the other?
Oct 06 00:31:30 <Ghiottone> gtk-directory=
Oct 06 00:31:31 <Ghiottone> ?
Oct 06 00:32:53 <aloril> (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[SMSTool]]
Oct 06 00:33:03 <CoreDump|home> http://xkcd.com/ <-=D
Oct 06 00:33:09 <kristian-m> Ghiottone yes, for now. - i'll add next and prev. note as well as a color chooser next - so it can be used as a notebook
Oct 06 00:34:15 <kristian-m> CoreDump|home :-)
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