**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 10 02:59:57 2007 Oct 10 03:31:43 * pmax is having a heck of a time getting the serial/usb console running. What's the trick? The menu entry ont he phone just goes straight back to the menu, and while /dev/ttyACM0 registers, nothing goes over it Oct 10 03:33:42 also tried on mac os x with the same problem Oct 10 04:12:35 my build has been going for about 4 hours, is that normal? amd xp3200+ w/ 2.5gb ram Oct 10 04:15:47 Hi Khajel, it is absolutely normal it tooks almost 6hr and more It depends on your internate speed Oct 10 04:21:23 khaije1: A clean build from scratch on my amd64 3000+ takes about 10h Oct 10 04:21:48 pmax: I had the same problem Oct 10 04:21:51 CM: k, good to know, thx Oct 10 04:21:57 oh? Oct 10 04:22:00 what fixed it? Oct 10 04:22:03 pmax: Maybe it's something with some of the newer u-boots Oct 10 04:22:12 Nope, no sucess yet Oct 10 05:00:45 alrightythen Oct 10 05:01:09 i want a neo:) Oct 10 05:01:42 when will it be ready? Oct 10 05:02:19 linuxxr: see topic :/ Oct 10 05:03:03 ok Oct 10 05:03:48 still out of stock? Oct 10 05:09:00 * * OM Bug 918 has been created by roh(AT)openmoko.org Oct 10 05:09:01 * * yaffs2-utils-native fails to build Oct 10 05:09:02 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=918 Oct 10 05:09:16 linuxxr: not sure but I think so Oct 10 05:18:37 linuxxr: No, gta01 seems to be in stock Oct 10 05:19:18 But gta02, the one with wifi and grapics card will probably be in sale around december Oct 10 05:21:01 yay Oct 10 05:22:05 Mek ordered late September and got his in about a week Oct 10 05:24:00 CM: does that mean just hw or full product w/ regard to the dec release of the gta02 ? Oct 10 05:24:27 khaije1: Only hw, the software is far from done.. Oct 10 05:24:45 It's the P1 of GTA02 Oct 10 05:24:52 * khaije1 wonders how the qt interface will evolve w/i this project Oct 10 05:25:06 P0 = Some known devs get a phone for free Oct 10 05:25:07 ah, i see Oct 10 05:25:17 P1 = developer release, any can buy Oct 10 05:25:32 P2 = public release with "Done" software Oct 10 05:29:56 talk about anticipation, my gf is really tired of hearing me rant about wanting one of these :-) Oct 10 05:30:07 Hehe Oct 10 05:30:49 I've had one since early august, and finally the software is starting to get in order Oct 10 05:30:55 a gf? Oct 10 05:31:12 ya, they are tricky Oct 10 05:31:18 QA is a pain Oct 10 05:31:24 :-) Oct 10 05:31:40 What bothers me most is that the GPS isn't working.. Oct 10 05:31:57 Not without a lot of trouble, since the binary driver is OABI only Oct 10 05:32:09 And OpenMoko is EABI Oct 10 05:38:41 I wonder if the difference between GTA02 P1 and GTA02 P2 will be just a more complete software package or if it will involve hardware changes..if its just the software then I'm getting a P1 when it comes out :) Oct 10 05:44:22 xaid: It's supposed to be just the software, unless they find some truly nasty bug. Oct 10 05:45:29 CM: If a nasty bug does crop up, I hope there will be some sort of recall for the affected units :) Oct 10 05:46:41 It can't be that bad. They do test it, and the P0 would have found it if there was anything that bad Oct 10 05:50:13 you're right.i wonder how the testing of the new prototypes is going, and whether a decision has been made on the AGPS chipset yet. Oct 10 05:51:24 Yes, I think it's been done a long time ago, but they're not allowed to confirm anything yet Oct 10 05:52:54 I remember a discussion about this a while back on the mailing list. something regarding a firmware based AGPS chipset vs what the hammerhead uses. Oct 10 05:53:14 I could be wrong though, I don't really remember all the details.. Oct 10 05:54:31 well, P1 will still be a "developer preview" won't it, rather than a consumer product. i can't see fic feeling obliged to do a recall Oct 10 05:54:44 (plus, do you _really_ think they could handle the logistics?) Oct 10 05:55:41 and any serious bug is going to involve opening the phone up and putting a new pcb in anyway - a significant chunk of the cost. it probably has two or more PCBs in there Oct 10 05:56:36 unless they get into reworking existing PCBs with trace cutting and patch wire - but on modern multilayer PCBs that's unlikely to be feasible Oct 10 05:56:51 particularly in a limited-space environment such as a phone Oct 10 05:57:40 you have a good point. i guess marking it as a developer's preview is the best/safest way to go about it. Oct 10 05:58:15 well, good night everyone. Oct 10 05:58:47 night :) Oct 10 05:58:57 night Oct 10 05:59:01 sorry to dash your hopes :) Oct 10 05:59:16 * cjb_ie ponders breakfast Oct 10 05:59:50 * CM is having coffee at work, and fiddling with a new vala ebuild :D Oct 10 06:03:37 hello my mokomonkeys Oct 10 06:03:48 Good morning Oct 10 06:06:24 morning Oct 10 06:06:34 .oO(need to find breakfast) Oct 10 06:07:56 Greetings roh Oct 10 06:55:35 roh: when you had breakfast, please scroll back if possible. there was a user (madmarkus) with strange touchscreen problems at around 0:50 Oct 10 06:59:44 hmmm... did he try reseating the display connector? Oct 10 07:01:21 Henryk: Did he run ts_harvest or something like that? Oct 10 07:01:52 roh: not yet Oct 10 07:02:31 thats what i would try next Oct 10 07:03:11 It gives crazy values for me too, but everything works Oct 10 07:05:09 ts_calibrate and xtscal refused to work with "determinant is too small -- 0.0000000" and ts_test would print out bogus coordinates (first on in the -29900 range, second one fixed at 352) Oct 10 07:05:27 Ouch Oct 10 07:50:20 pmax: hi Oct 10 07:55:51 Mobile Firefox: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/schrep/archives/2007/10/mozilla_and_mobile.html Oct 10 07:57:07 zecke: ping Oct 10 07:57:11 pong Oct 10 07:58:58 do you want your neo's back? Oct 10 08:00:15 ljp: One would be nice, because I'm out of neos for now Oct 10 08:00:38 accidental use of apostrophe =) Oct 10 08:05:07 Can I have one, please Oct 10 08:05:51 * zash` wants! Oct 10 08:05:58 ljp: I assume I can pick up one in munich Oct 10 08:06:46 i'd hope so Oct 10 08:08:40 Guess we're getting closer to the release now then? Oct 10 08:20:46 openmoko: 03thomas * r3140 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c src/moko-keypad.c): (log message trimmed) Oct 10 08:20:46 openmoko: Patch by: Roman Moravcik Oct 10 08:20:46 openmoko: * moko-keypad.c: (on_panel_user_input): Emit signal DIGIT_PRESSED Oct 10 08:20:46 openmoko: when keypad digit was pressed, Oct 10 08:20:46 openmoko: * moko-dialer.c: (on_call_progress_changed): Check if status was Oct 10 08:20:50 openmoko: changed to TALKING when dialer received MOKO_GSMD_PROG_CONNECTED, Oct 10 08:20:52 openmoko: (on_keypad_digit_pressed): Implemented sending of DTMF tones Oct 10 08:24:54 morning Oct 10 08:33:38 hi Oct 10 08:51:47 Why does qemu need -kernel xxx.bin? Can it not load the kernel from the flash? Does it bypass u-boot? Oct 10 08:57:40 it seems to run u-boot but how? Oct 10 09:00:26 GoGi, hmm, flashing on physical hardware takes separate filesystem and kernel images too Oct 10 09:03:51 hm but qemu seems to emulate flashing on physical hardware Oct 10 09:05:23 can I disable the splash screen? Oct 10 09:07:46 ipkg remove psplash Oct 10 09:07:48 then reboot Oct 10 09:31:22 good morning Oct 10 09:36:38 I'd like to see it: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/10/gphone_mobile_os/ Oct 10 10:36:43 abraxa_: i've seen a recent openmoko-mediaplayer2. it works pretty well, good job. Oct 10 10:37:10 i'm glad it's working w/ pulseaudio now. did you change the patch to mad? Oct 10 10:38:32 hey mickeyl Oct 10 10:39:46 hi Oct 10 10:40:15 mickeyl: Did the device you see it on have my patched libgstmad? I didn't bring it upstream yet and without it, mp3 playback is too slow Oct 10 10:40:40 abraxa_: yes. he had your patched one. it was Henryk's device Oct 10 10:41:04 abraxa_: can you send me the latest version of your patch? I'll apply it to libgstmad for openmoko-only then Oct 10 10:41:18 mickeyl: Ahh okay - I got PulseAudio to behave also, thanks to this mail: https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss/2007-July/000557.html Oct 10 10:41:36 You might want to read it just to know what I had to do Oct 10 10:42:25 As about the patch... I'm not yet convinced that patching all mis-behaving decoders to force them into 16-bit mode is the best way to approach this Oct 10 10:42:54 I fear that by doing this we might have side effects on other devices that aren't 16-bit aligned as ARM is Oct 10 10:42:56 Hey, guys. I've written up my initial wish-list for OpenMoko software, at billrocks.org/moko_wishlist Oct 10 10:43:30 It's basically a text brain-dump of everything I liked about my old fruit-phone, with the features I really wished it had. Oct 10 10:43:32 abraxa_: well, it's going to be a machine specific patch Oct 10 10:43:50 Ahh okay then Oct 10 10:43:53 abraxa_: Do you ever sleep? You were here when I left :-) Oct 10 10:43:54 fruit-phone? Oct 10 10:44:05 fruit-phone = iphone Oct 10 10:44:24 mickeyl: In that case I'll also prepare a patch for libmad so it doesn't internally calculate samples with 28 bit precision when 16 bit are enough Oct 10 10:44:25 i didn't think they were around long enough to be "old" Oct 10 10:45:07 abraxa_: yes, please. you can safely assume this patch will only be applied for Neo1973's Oct 10 10:45:09 mickeyl: Aside from that, patching libtremor/ivorbisdec to 16 bit is necessary for smooth vorbis playback so you'll find a patch for that in your mailbox soon, too Oct 10 10:45:18 abraxa_: great. thanks! Oct 10 10:45:23 mickeyl: okay :) Oct 10 10:45:27 bbiab, lunch time Oct 10 10:45:31 Enjoy Oct 10 10:46:00 xyzzy_bill: I do sleep, just time zones vary as my girlfriend lives in Las Vegas while I'm in Germany ;) Oct 10 10:46:07 So, is there anything like the openmoko wish-list anywhere in the wiki? I'm looking for something like the typical Ubuntu release specs. Oct 10 10:46:24 awh, why December? Im sad the dev goes that slow... Oct 10 10:46:24 I would like to see libmad patch go global as gst and pulse are coming to more devices Oct 10 10:46:29 abraxa_: now that's what I call a long-distance relationship Oct 10 10:47:07 * XorA speaking as multimedia guy in OE not as OpenMoko guy Oct 10 10:47:17 XorA: I'll leave that up to you guys to decide - I had no problems with those patches on my Neo, so... Oct 10 10:47:55 on c7x0 it is technically possible to play video with gst based player, so every cycle counts Oct 10 10:48:11 XorA: I assume it's best then to created bugtracker entries for them and just pass the link to Mickey (or you?) Oct 10 10:48:13 c7x0 supports Xv Oct 10 10:48:24 abraxa_: yes normally the best plan Oct 10 10:49:41 So, does OpenMoko have anything like this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+specs. Ubutu keeps track of it's release goals fairly well. Oct 10 10:58:45 xyzzy_bill: Nope, at least not in public Oct 10 10:59:31 abraxa_: I found http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/Ideas. There are 80 ideas, and I could add to it, but a simple list is just noise. Oct 10 11:00:22 Noise? Oct 10 11:00:29 Just sort your ideas in where they could fit :) Oct 10 11:00:50 Actually... uh Oct 10 11:01:11 abraxa_: The list has everything from wanting to run Puppy Linux, to having the phone be built with snap-together modules to add the camera, GSM, etc. Oct 10 11:01:18 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist is a better place - I didn't realize you were linking to a non-OM wiki Oct 10 11:01:48 abraxa_: Ah... much better... I'll take a look. Thanks. Oct 10 11:02:07 :) Oct 10 11:02:11 abraxa_: My first wish is for an index to the wiki :-) Oct 10 11:05:35 Index? Oct 10 11:09:28 xyzzy_bill: btw - you'll never see Skype on a Neo because it's a binary blob for i386 whereas Neo's run on ARM Oct 10 11:09:39 Neos* Oct 10 11:23:26 abraxa_: qemu! vmware! :-P Oct 10 11:26:44 yes and .NET and other embedded friendly technologies Oct 10 11:29:33 Well. Skype *could* port if if they want to. But I wouldn't really want them to. Oct 10 11:30:16 also considering apparently maemo has a skype client, it might be possible to kludge that into running, dunno Oct 10 11:30:26 certainly not gonna go through the trouble Oct 10 11:35:48 abraxa_: I know... that's why SIP client is so important, and a Yahoo/Google voice capable IM would also be nice. Oct 10 11:38:08 I wish someone would release decent voice recognition. Oct 10 11:38:18 speaker dependant even Oct 10 11:38:42 voice-over-ip, with marked-up-text would use _lots_ less bandwidth Oct 10 11:42:15 there's lots of that, just that it's useually hosted Oct 10 11:42:19 usually Oct 10 11:42:39 pocket sphinx might be your best bet Oct 10 11:42:46 for foss Oct 10 11:46:07 Yeah. Oct 10 11:46:23 I don't even mind buying it. Oct 10 11:46:39 The problem is that all commercial development got eaten or abandoned. Oct 10 11:47:27 I met a guy at VON in boston their stuff was awesome... Oct 10 11:47:27 Not to mention that transcribing calls would be nice. Oct 10 11:51:32 hehe Oct 10 11:51:41 have you got an asterisk box ? Oct 10 11:51:51 I was meaning on the phone. Oct 10 11:52:04 Maybe ask google. They surely would like to offer a service where you route all your calls over google, have them speech-to-text them with the best software on the planet and huge amount of processing power, and then send you an email with the contents. (Not to mention targeted advertisement.) ;-) Oct 10 11:53:13 the reason I was asking is that there's a demo site available ... Oct 10 11:53:34 you can play blackjack using voice recognition Oct 10 11:55:35 search for voicexml Oct 10 11:56:22 http://www.voxeo.com/ Oct 10 11:56:28 try their demos Oct 10 11:57:03 http://www.voxeo.com/developers/ is the interesting bit Oct 10 11:58:32 SpeedEvil, isn't asterisk box *on* the neo =) Oct 10 11:58:33 http://www.voxeo.com/prophecy/ Oct 10 11:58:47 downloadable ^^ Oct 10 11:59:42 windows only that bit Oct 10 11:59:49 but free for 2 ports Oct 10 12:00:37 makes me want to install a windows vm Oct 10 12:08:53 Hello Everybody Oct 10 12:09:24 hello raddy Oct 10 12:10:11 I am one of the lead admin of a mobile software company that develops and sells j2me based mobile applications Oct 10 12:10:30 We recently bought a openmoko phone Oct 10 12:11:02 That is GTA01 Oct 10 12:11:16 Neo 1973 Oct 10 12:11:45 i would've been surprised if you'd bought some other device with openmoko at this point :-) Oct 10 12:12:03 tuukkah: Is GTA01 and GTA01v4 is same? Oct 10 12:12:36 gta01 has various versions, but i think everyone who bought one has gta01bv4 Oct 10 12:12:55 tuukkah: ohh, how to check the version? Oct 10 12:13:18 there's an at command Oct 10 12:13:45 raddy: you can also read the sticker behind the battery Oct 10 12:13:56 tuukkah : ohh, isn't that information be printed psycally anywhere? Oct 10 12:14:18 tuukkah : in the sticker i got GTA01 Oct 10 12:14:29 tuukkah : not the version Oct 10 12:14:59 there is only GTA01v4 sold to users Oct 10 12:15:01 ever Oct 10 12:15:16 i got "Model Name: GTA01BV4 -- FCC ID: EUNGTA01BV4" Oct 10 12:15:18 SpeedEvil: ohh, cool Oct 10 12:15:23 mine says: Model Name: GTA01BV4 Oct 10 12:15:42 ok Oct 10 12:16:35 hi, i think i've got an hardwareproblem with my neo's touchscreen. what's the best place to write about and get some more information? her? an maillinglist(which)? the forum? Oct 10 12:16:35 When i boot the phone i get a kernel panic, is anything need to be installed in the phone to actually boot? Oct 10 12:17:46 iirc there's an initial procedure you have to follow, it's on the wiki Oct 10 12:17:55 you need to install the root FS Oct 10 12:17:57 * Stephmw can't remember where though Oct 10 12:18:01 for some reason tehre isn't one. Oct 10 12:19:38 this paragraph should help: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973#Flashing_the_Neo1973_GTA01Bv4 Oct 10 12:19:51 raddy, the instructions say you should start reading at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1 Oct 10 12:20:59 ScaredyCat: Heh, is it just me or are the qtopia images just getting worse and worse? :P Oct 10 12:21:37 having probs sannes? Oct 10 12:22:05 I haven't put the latest one on mine as yet... Oct 10 12:22:53 madmarkus: roh was there this morning. he suggested reseating the display connector Oct 10 12:24:44 allright...but i need to open the tork-screws, right? there is an seal on one of them ... Oct 10 12:24:46 ScaredyCat: Well, hm, screenlocking has artifacts, bluetooth stopped working, .. hm .. but the address book worked this time .. hm, interesting, and it doesn't show the operator anymore .. I just downloaded from your site (buildhost.automated.it) to play around a bit Oct 10 12:24:54 madwoota: torx Oct 10 12:24:55 what do i loose if i break it? Oct 10 12:25:00 madwoota: points Oct 10 12:25:24 madwoota: It's never been made clear what the warranty is. Oct 10 12:25:36 hm, okay :) Oct 10 12:25:39 Other than the 'if it breaks in 14 days' bit. Oct 10 12:25:43 if you break it, you get to keep the pieces :-) Oct 10 12:25:52 raddy: everyone elses neo was delivered with a small coaster that said "SOME ASSEMBLY REQUIRED Before trying to use this phone, please check: wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1" Oct 10 12:26:24 hm..okay :) Oct 10 12:26:33 madmarkus: ignore the seal. i have been told it's only there because FIC is used to doing it that way Oct 10 12:26:57 Henryk: do you know if there is a functional warranty? Oct 10 12:26:59 yeah, not sure hwy the operator doesn't show up Oct 10 12:27:00 madmarkus: else you can come here and yell at Henryk :P Oct 10 12:27:09 Henryk: other than the 14 day thing mentioned on the coaster? Oct 10 12:27:12 I just spotted another,, so I'll build that too. Oct 10 12:27:26 SpeedEvil: I don't know anything about that Oct 10 12:27:30 Henryk: fine. Oct 10 12:28:30 allright....unfortunately, the phone was bought by the university ..., so i think i have to talk to someone else first... Oct 10 12:30:21 raddy: is your company investigating the j2me aspects of openmoko? Oct 10 12:30:36 there is a recipe for phoneme for openmoko Oct 10 12:31:12 Stephmw: nope, we are interested in building native application Oct 10 12:31:18 raddy: 'k Oct 10 12:31:24 good Oct 10 12:31:30 Henryk: yes, but that's without gui, afaik Oct 10 12:31:47 Henryk: others are working on integrating the gui portions Oct 10 12:31:57 Stephmw: no, that's with gui (you can't build J2ME without GUI), but on directfb without x. I should know, i wrote it :) Oct 10 12:32:02 Henryk: I've just come back from a 3-week holiday, so I'm catching up Oct 10 12:32:36 Henryk: ah, ok, directfb is nice and simple... I take it the widgets are all java-rendered? Oct 10 12:32:47 and yes, there are packages by jalimo for proper j2se, don't know how much gui they have Oct 10 12:32:58 Stephmw: is there a method to know kernel rootfs combination? without trial and error? Oct 10 12:33:06 it'll likely be gtk based Oct 10 12:33:22 Stephmw: yes. phoneme is typically used without a full operating system and things below it, so it just draws all its things itself Oct 10 12:33:33 raddy: I'll defer to prototype owners, I haven't got my own Oct 10 12:34:23 Henryk: some context - I've worked on LCDUI API development on other closed platforms (Java/Embedded C) Oct 10 12:34:31 Henryk: so I understand those bits ;-) Oct 10 12:34:34 anybody else know a method to know kernel rootfs combination? without trial and error? Oct 10 12:35:01 Henryk: did you add a midlet browser? Oct 10 12:35:15 Stephmw: is included Oct 10 12:35:39 raddy, take on of the "tested" Oct 10 12:35:40 :) Oct 10 12:36:16 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing Oct 10 12:36:46 Stephmw: all i had to add was tslib support for the touch screen as input device. unfortunately phoneme doesn't have a virtual keyboard Oct 10 12:37:41 Henryk: I'm sure someone will add it if they can be bothered :) Oct 10 12:39:57 Henryk: are you also interested in writing more around phoneme, or will you move onto something else? Oct 10 12:42:02 Stephmw: I'm now working at mono. I did the phoneme over one weekend for a quick demonstration of our already existing J2ME code on the neo and now we're writing new code with mono Oct 10 12:42:26 fair enough :) Oct 10 13:07:24 What is ipkg upgrade? Oct 10 13:10:17 a command Oct 10 13:11:13 anybody success making calls with the qtopia images? Oct 10 13:11:39 here it actually calls, but no sound and no micro Oct 10 13:12:18 raddy: compares the versions in its package list (which you update with ipkg update) with the installed versions and upgrade packages if possible Oct 10 13:12:32 Henryk: ohh Oct 10 13:13:13 Henryk: isn't there a fully working phone image? Oct 10 13:13:43 Henryk: is there third party images i can install? Oct 10 13:14:39 raddy: the qtopia ones have most functionality. the openmoko ones are getting better but the gsm still is practically broken. works for me 2 out of 3 times though Oct 10 13:15:21 s/gsm/gsmd/ Oct 10 13:15:22 Henryk meant: raddy: the qtopia ones have most functionality. the openmoko ones are getting better but the gsmd still is practically broken. works for me 2 out of 3 times though Oct 10 13:15:34 Henryk : does qtopia images's gsm functionality work? Oct 10 13:15:38 gamin: try to set the correct sound routing with alsactl with the handset.state Oct 10 13:15:54 raddy: mostly, except for the mixer settings sometimes Oct 10 13:16:19 Henryk: woww, i'll try Oct 10 13:16:51 Henryk: is that with ScaredyCat's qtopia image or did you built something yourself? Oct 10 13:17:12 or is there something in OE already? Oct 10 13:17:28 gi-el: I didn't build qtopia and only tried it once some time ago Oct 10 13:17:36 ok Oct 10 13:18:06 but i think alphaone for example uses a qtopia neo1973 as his daily phone Oct 10 13:18:20 hm, i'm going to try that Oct 10 13:20:13 time to also make a built environment on this laptop, makes me more mobile while hacking :) Oct 10 13:21:09 gi-el: not really sure what you mean - I read the alsactl man page and searched the wiki for alsactl... Oct 10 13:21:18 i mean: Oct 10 13:21:21 I have a ssh connection Oct 10 13:21:32 alsactl -f /etc/gsmhandset.state restore Oct 10 13:21:49 not sure about the gsmhandset.state, look in a recent openmoko image in /etc/*state Oct 10 13:22:04 What is lowlevel_foo*** stuff Oct 10 13:22:17 How can i flash it? Oct 10 13:22:22 raddy: you don't Oct 10 13:22:26 just ignore it Oct 10 13:22:47 Henryk: then, which one should i download? Oct 10 13:23:10 Henryk: zimage ? uimage ? Oct 10 13:23:19 uimage Oct 10 13:23:22 those are kernels Oct 10 13:23:27 uimage == kernel Oct 10 13:23:29 (lowlevel_foo is used with http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Devirginator) Oct 10 13:24:29 raddy: I think I already gave you the link http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1 which then leads you to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko which is quite specific, IMHO Oct 10 13:25:27 gi-el: thanks! Oct 10 13:26:00 Henryk: but i think, it talks about flash qtopia images Oct 10 13:26:22 ah, you want to not flash openmoko, ok Oct 10 13:26:33 yup Oct 10 13:27:15 qtopia on the neo is documented here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_Neo_1973 Oct 10 13:28:20 wow, trolltech made an image themselves? Oct 10 13:28:23 Henryk: isn't file system need to be installed in qtopia? Oct 10 13:29:56 raddy: yes, should be included in the "Qtopia snapshot on Neo Flash Image and kernel" download. e.g. there are exactly two files in there: kernel and rootfs Oct 10 13:30:48 Henryk: the guide only gave instructions for installing kernel, thats why i was confused Oct 10 13:31:02 Henryk: sorry, i am a complete noob Oct 10 13:31:34 we all got to start somewhere :)\ Oct 10 13:31:51 gi-el: :) Oct 10 13:32:28 raddy: just download the qtopia archive with the two files, then use the Flashing_openmoko instructions, just the the qtopia files and not the openmoko files Oct 10 13:32:28 seems qtopia doesn't have sdk for Neo 1973 phones Oct 10 13:33:29 you migth be able to just use the default sdk with neo cross toolchain Oct 10 13:34:01 eh? Oct 10 13:34:10 look in the devices folder Oct 10 13:34:27 gi-el: do you mean qtopia sdk with neo's cross toolchain sdk? Oct 10 13:34:30 (i'm just trying to help without knowing stuff :P) Oct 10 13:34:35 raddy: it might be Oct 10 13:34:52 that's what i would try, or, listen to people who know more about it Oct 10 13:34:53 :) Oct 10 13:34:53 ScaredyCat: does qtopia supports neo based phones? Oct 10 13:34:59 raddy: yes! Oct 10 13:35:02 yes Oct 10 13:35:04 raddy: don't you read the links we give you? Oct 10 13:35:12 greatttttt Oct 10 13:35:42 gi-el: but the links didn't talk yet about the qtopia sdk Oct 10 13:35:42 lol.... Oct 10 13:50:49 hi Oct 10 13:53:22 What are gumstix? Oct 10 13:53:46 wibbit see http://gumstix.com/ Oct 10 13:53:49 like chewing gum Oct 10 13:54:08 * kristian-m likes doener :-) Oct 10 14:00:54 kristian-m: cheers :) Oct 10 14:30:34 openmoko: 03thomas * r3141 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c src/moko-talking.c): Oct 10 14:30:34 openmoko: Based on patch by: Roman Moravcik Oct 10 14:30:34 openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_incoming_call), (on_incoming_clip), Oct 10 14:30:34 openmoko: (on_call_progress_changed), (moko_dialer_init): Fix problem Oct 10 14:30:34 openmoko: with displaying CLIP on incoming call. Oct 10 14:30:38 openmoko: * src/moko-talking.c: (moko_talking_set_clip): Display Oct 10 14:30:40 openmoko: "Unknown number" if number is NULL (CLIR). Oct 10 14:40:45 if i reset the gsm-chip with `echo 1>/sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gsm.0/reset` do i always get an 'AT-Command Interpreter ready' response after that? Oct 10 14:41:27 I was told the reset file did nothing. Oct 10 14:41:45 gmaxwell: cool... Oct 10 14:42:44 so only a powerdown/up will issue that message? Oct 10 14:56:31 actually event the power_on is only soft power-on and -off :-) Oct 10 14:56:37 s/event/even/ Oct 10 14:56:37 Henryk meant: actually even the power_on is only soft power-on and -off :-) Oct 10 14:56:46 AT@POFF Oct 10 14:57:00 its not power off Oct 10 14:57:11 power_on is only soft-power on on the 0-1 edge Oct 10 14:57:17 shutdown -hP now! Oct 10 14:57:42 SpeedEvil, and the 1-0 edge does nothing? Oct 10 14:57:57 Nope. Oct 10 14:58:03 (as I understand it) Oct 10 15:00:30 I may in fact be wrong. Oct 10 15:00:43 Oh - I think I remember. Oct 10 15:00:54 the 1-0 edge does nothing - to the modem Oct 10 15:01:10 however - in the 0 state - the serial port is not connected to the modem, but the debug port Oct 10 15:01:20 I have full unloaded the battery of my Neo, and now it does not want to charge, even if I put it on an USB cable. Any hints? Oct 10 15:01:33 How are you determining 'does not want to charge'? Oct 10 15:02:04 SpeedEvil: I left it on my USB cable over night, and it still will not switch on. Oct 10 15:02:36 Bernte: remove usb cable an battery, wait a minute, reseat battery, connect usb to neo and laptop, wait something like 3 hours Oct 10 15:02:45 You mean you've unplugged the USB connector, removed the battery for several minutes, replaced the battery, and then left it for several hours without touching any buttons? Oct 10 15:02:54 Henryk: thanks, I will try that. Oct 10 15:03:15 SpeedEvil: I had not removed the battery for some minutes, I assume that was the fault. Oct 10 15:03:45 Bernte: the problem is that the charging current can almost exactly match the dischatging current in the worst cae. Oct 10 15:11:26 SpeedEvil: I read something about that, but had hoped that having the phone switched off will charge it enough eventually, until I can switch in on an enable Fast charge with 500mA Oct 10 15:22:40 I've a general question: I'd like to buy the GTA02 in december, but I'm not quite sure how much is going to cost me in europe. I live in france. If I order it over the internet, how much of taxes and fees I'm going to pay ? I guess few of the european developer already got into this business... Oct 10 15:28:13 munga: it depends if they ship from the usa again... if they do, it'll be expensive :( Oct 10 15:28:36 we'll see how low the dollar goes... Oct 10 15:28:50 there are groups who buy together, then at least they only pay 1 shipping cost Oct 10 15:28:58 Problems with the mokomakefile, log is here http://www.pastebin.ca/731585 Oct 10 15:28:59 can it get lower ? :) Oct 10 15:29:22 ScaredyCat: how expensive ? my question was more about import taxes ... are there any ? how does it work ? Oct 10 15:30:05 munga: IANAE... but there was a thread about this on the mailing list. Oct 10 15:30:15 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners Oct 10 15:30:15 As a side question... are they going to sell it in europe as well ? I've seen a lot of EU developers... did everybody travelled to the US to get their box ? Oct 10 15:30:24 some details on costs in the last colum Oct 10 15:30:25 n Oct 10 15:30:36 I think it was in Aug and it had a subject like "Shipment refused" Oct 10 15:30:41 no, we had them shipped to europe Oct 10 15:30:54 swede: Line 295 of your pastebin Oct 10 15:30:59 mine cost $100 + 85 EUR in taxes Oct 10 15:31:35 ScaredyCat: OUCH ! better to get over there to get it in person ... almost :) Oct 10 15:31:43 munga: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-August/008708.html Oct 10 15:32:00 yeah, I'm pretty sure you can get cheap flights to the usa around Christmas :) Oct 10 15:32:14 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8545 Interesting OM device. (potentially to put it on that is) Oct 10 15:33:19 mwester: Ok, thanks! Oct 10 15:34:32 is there a mashup with the neo and gumstix devices? Oct 10 15:35:03 ozarka: thanks ... not really a good news ... :( Oct 10 15:35:05 swede: line 299 tells you what to do Oct 10 15:35:32 DukeOfURL: Mashup? Oct 10 15:36:04 munga: It's a business opportunity. Import a bunch and seel them out of the trunk of your car. Oct 10 15:36:38 I saw a photo of a gumstix attached to a Neo. lost the URL. what's that project about? Oct 10 15:37:21