**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 13 02:59:56 2007 Oct 13 03:26:01 * * OM Bug 930 has been created by mwester(AT)dls.net Oct 13 03:26:02 * * kexec fails on the neo; requires existing kexec ATAG patch Oct 13 03:26:03 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=930 Oct 13 03:30:20 * dotmef starts the long road to a full compile Oct 13 05:01:01 re Oct 13 05:07:00 * * OM Bug 931 has been created by mail(AT)mmontour.net Oct 13 05:07:01 * * matchbox-panel-2 segfault in pango_font_get_coverage() Oct 13 05:07:02 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=931 Oct 13 05:44:07 'allo roh Oct 13 06:35:57 hi all, i wanted to recompile the kernel for my neo to enable fbcon rotation, but I've never cross compiled a kernel before, and when i go to make the kernel, it tries to build an x86 kernel... Where can i look to find the settings I need to set to build the kernel? Oct 13 07:13:18 good morning Oct 13 07:15:55 Hopscotch, good morning Oct 13 07:29:29 Hello Everybody Oct 13 07:29:54 Does uboot serial console support most of the commands? Oct 13 07:30:16 Like formatting, extracting tar archives, etc? Oct 13 08:34:43 Hey Guys, anybody there who knows about porting OpemMoko to hardware other than the Neo? Oct 13 08:36:04 Fabian2_de well.. the openmoko-stuff is the least to 'port' the linux beneath is is most of the work Oct 13 08:37:33 roh: well, yeah, I know... I tried to compile an openmoko-image for h5000 using MokoMakefile, but the image is way too big for my device (h5400). Oct 13 08:46:10 what's h5000? Oct 13 08:50:16 it's the name of the machine.conf. (well, the type of the machine) Oct 13 08:54:27 I know I can't ask anything about gta02, but... :P Oct 13 08:55:01 Will it be sold before december without the stable openmoko? :P Oct 13 08:55:29 no Oct 13 08:55:48 if in december it will be sold, likely without stable openmoko Oct 13 08:56:05 ... ok :P Oct 13 08:56:23 so it is imossible to get my hands on a gta02 before december :'( Oct 13 08:56:49 maybe if you break into openmoko office and steal one Oct 13 08:57:00 well.. even if it does not make a working device ;) Oct 13 08:57:04 other than that, i dont think you will get one Oct 13 08:57:23 i have a gta02v2 here.. but thats still not a done device (half the subsys have known bugs) Oct 13 08:58:38 if battery live anywhere near useable now? Oct 13 08:58:54 on gta01 Oct 13 08:59:04 well.. there is no software which reensembles complete powermanagement yet.. so no Oct 13 08:59:45 but any data how long it might survive once suspend actually works? Oct 13 08:59:58 nope. Oct 13 09:01:30 there also a lot to play with by clocking it down and using only some subsys. Oct 13 09:04:01 in my book, it must do at least 3days with light usage Oct 13 09:04:01 any less than that is basically useless for a phone Oct 13 09:06:59 pfeh, my first mobile phone was flat by lunchtime if unplugged in the morning after being on change all night. Oct 13 09:07:02 *on charge Oct 13 09:07:09 ... so bi-weekly is that twice a week or once every two weeks (fortnightly) ? Oct 13 09:07:39 fortnightly Oct 13 09:07:44 ScaredyCat: think it depends on who's saying it - regardless of what the correct usage is Oct 13 09:07:57 twice a week would be semi weekly Oct 13 09:08:08 no it wouldn't Oct 13 09:08:38 if it's fortnightly then fine, I was just checking... Oct 13 09:08:43 * cjb_ie protests weakly Oct 13 09:08:59 every half week gives twice a week in my book Oct 13 09:09:13 bi-weekly would generally mean twice a week, hence the question about what was meant... it wasn';t a critism Oct 13 09:09:40 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biweekly WP disagrees Oct 13 09:09:47 Biweekly, sometimes referred to as fortnightly, is a reference to an event that occurs once every two weeks. Oct 13 09:09:49 wp is often full of shit Oct 13 09:10:21 you only have to have seen the news in the uk to know that Oct 13 09:10:27 semi-weekly would be almost weekly Oct 13 09:10:28 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Abiweekly&btnG=Search Oct 13 09:10:31 (this past week) Oct 13 09:11:06 i'd read semi-weekly as "half as often as weekly" Oct 13 09:11:17 "Semiweekly: Issued twice a week. Compare Biweekly." Oct 13 09:11:22 http://www.usd.edu/library/instruction/glossary.shtml Oct 13 09:11:41 semi annually doesnt mean every two years, either Oct 13 09:12:28 I've never met or heard anyone who uses those.. Oct 13 09:12:45 maybe it's just another americaism Oct 13 09:12:52 americanism Oct 13 09:12:56 ie made up Oct 13 09:13:20 ScaredyCat: nah, i've heard it this side of the water too. but mostly as the subject of "so which one means which?" discussions Oct 13 09:13:22 semi annual is quite often heard Oct 13 09:13:50 (especially in context of half year financial reports) Oct 13 09:14:04 I've never heard that... most normal poople would say every six months... Oct 13 09:14:36 "twice weekly" and "fortnightly" are nearly impossible to misinterpret, so those are what i use. Oct 13 09:14:55 i've yet to meet "normal" financial analysts Oct 13 09:15:05 cjb_ie: meaning twice a week? Oct 13 09:15:07 none of them are normal Oct 13 09:15:30 guaqua: twice weekly meaning twice a week.. fortnightly meaning once a fortnight Oct 13 09:15:41 cjb_ie: i.e. once in two weeks? Oct 13 09:15:54 fortnightly == once every 2 weeks Oct 13 09:15:56 well.. dont think about the wording too long.. i think michael and i are glad it we get that done semi-punctual :) Oct 13 09:15:59 a fortnight being two weeks (contraction of fourteen nights) Oct 13 09:16:46 fortnight is somewhat hard to understand for most non-native speakers as the concept of fortnight isn't in every language (english being the only language i know) Oct 13 09:16:52 although apparently bi-fortnightly would be every week Oct 13 09:17:10 in my book, that would be monthly Oct 13 09:17:16 :) Oct 13 09:17:16 that is monthly Oct 13 09:17:20 bi-weekly is fortnightly Oct 13 09:17:32 semi forthnightly would be weekly Oct 13 09:17:33 guaqua: french has quinze-jours which literally translates as 15 days but means two weeks. Oct 13 09:17:40 hmm.. isn't there a specialpage in mediawiki which list the highest ranking contributors? Oct 13 09:17:57 cjb_ie: okay :) Oct 13 09:18:18 the concept doesnt exist in german, but it's simple enough to wrap your head around in my book Oct 13 09:18:25 * ScaredyCat thinks buz is semi-bi.... weekly Oct 13 09:18:32 LOL Oct 13 09:18:48 buz: pfft, germans can't even agree what the days of the week are called ;-) Oct 13 09:18:50 * buz has semi clue of english Oct 13 09:18:56 wtf? Oct 13 09:18:57 finnish, swedish and german...being my 3 other languages don't have the concept of fortnight Oct 13 09:19:24 hey, don't worry about it the Dutch aren't even sure if they're German or not... Oct 13 09:19:40 ScaredyCat: oh i think you'll find they're sure alright :) Oct 13 09:19:55 sure enough to punch you if you suggest they are Oct 13 09:19:59 really.... "I come from German blood".... Oct 13 09:20:18 standard response if a german tourist asks for directions is "drei tagen geradeaus" Oct 13 09:21:08 or "oi ! where's my grandad's bike" Oct 13 09:21:32 seriously need to get over that... Oct 13 09:21:34 or where's my granny :( Oct 13 09:21:50 ffs slaughter of millions and all you care about is a friggin bike Oct 13 09:22:00 anyway... Oct 13 09:22:04 enought of that... Oct 13 09:22:11 it's saturday... Oct 13 09:22:15 caturday! Oct 13 09:22:17 and I haven;t had breakfast Oct 13 09:22:27 yaaaaay for Caturday! Oct 13 09:22:41 * ScaredyCat checks ichcb Oct 13 09:26:21 .oO(ICanHaveCaturdayBrunch?) Oct 13 09:27:19 *fsck* .. mediawiki hates me Oct 13 09:27:47 http://www.thecheezburgerfactory.com//completestore/128340998580937500ADSLcatisconn.jpg Oct 13 09:30:01 12,4 http://st-pitch.miniville.fr/ Oct 13 09:30:03 URL http://st-pitch.miniville.fr/ Oct 13 09:31:11 play Oct 13 09:31:22 okay, i mean Oct 13 09:31:29 someone should correct the topic Oct 13 09:32:06 thank you Oct 13 09:32:14 kids... Oct 13 09:32:42 roh: no no no! it's ICanHasCaturdayBrunch! Oct 13 09:32:58 *sigh* Oct 13 09:33:27 * roh had breakfast already... after a night bar and hours of work ;) Oct 13 09:33:34 the topic is fine Oct 13 09:33:39 the change didn;t happen Oct 13 09:34:05 you are all in my power... Oct 13 09:34:14 send all your neo to ScaredyCat Oct 13 09:51:41 could somebody do me a favour and try to build ttf-liberation? Oct 13 09:52:58 aye Oct 13 09:54:49 fine here Oct 13 09:56:00 what probs are you getting? Oct 13 10:01:58 ScaredyCat: it does not fetch Oct 13 10:02:16 ScaredyCat: http://www.pastebin.ca/raw/735099 Oct 13 10:04:08 hm.. why does it try https? Oct 13 10:04:58 SRC_URI = "https://www.redhat.com/f/fonts/liberation-fonts-ttf-3.tar.gz" Oct 13 10:05:29 someone needs a slap Oct 13 10:05:41 heh.. change that to http or do 'wget https://www.redhat.com/f/fonts/' on a console and accept the cert Oct 13 10:06:40 there's no good reason for using https.. Oct 13 10:07:00 unless the site owner is retareded and only has https setup.... Oct 13 10:07:07 but that's redhat... Oct 13 10:07:18 https is http secure something? Oct 13 10:07:19 so it's probably whoever made the .bb file Oct 13 10:07:22 with certs? Oct 13 10:07:38 yes.. https is what you use for stuff like online transactions Oct 13 10:07:54 there's no need for it when downloading fontd.. Oct 13 10:08:07 -d+s Oct 13 10:08:14 and when I download that file manually with wget and accept the certificate wget does recall it when it's called to download from that url? Oct 13 10:08:52 wget does not ask for it. it suggests using --no-check-certificate Oct 13 10:09:02 once you have downloaded it with wget, put it in your sources dir, then creat the .lock file (same filename+ .lock on the end) Oct 13 10:09:25 I'd rather correct the recipe and file a bug Oct 13 10:09:35 then it wont try and download it again Oct 13 10:09:58 the bug you fix will get overwritten unless you push the fix up Oct 13 10:10:18 NOTE: build 200710131209: completed Oct 13 10:10:26 with http instead of https in the recipe Oct 13 10:10:45 if you're using mokomakefile I'm pretty sure it'll revert on an update Oct 13 10:11:12 no I'm using normal oe setup and I'm build for akita Oct 13 10:11:57 ahh ok Oct 13 10:11:59 it will ask me if I want it 'corrected' or not on update Oct 13 10:12:26 at least that's what it always did when I did a manual change to the metadata and updated it afterwards Oct 13 10:13:55 ScaredyCat: thank you very much for the advise Oct 13 10:14:08 between, are there any news on gta02 release :D ? Oct 13 10:14:18 no problem... Oct 13 10:14:20 hehe Oct 13 10:14:21 dcordes best would be if you file a bug against that package in the oe bugtracker Oct 13 10:14:26 last I heard December... Oct 13 10:14:30 but... Oct 13 10:14:49 and also the gps chip has been decided on, which is good... Oct 13 10:14:49 roh: yes of course Oct 13 10:15:31 ScaredyCat: I have to make some santa buy me one then Oct 13 10:17:53 yay @ topic Oct 13 10:18:07 some more gta02 info for addicts like me :) Oct 13 10:19:31 hm.. i need some list of people who want to help reorganizing the wiki and are fit in all the wiki-isms Oct 13 10:25:53 reorganising the wiki? what's up with it? Oct 13 10:26:51 .. besides every time you move (copy paste) somehting it removes the original author/contributor Oct 13 10:32:48 -160 rx sensitivity... any good? Oct 13 10:37:16 roh, some of that stuff is in there for the simple reason that the search function is shit Oct 13 10:41:20 and errm,why did you delete the Canberra local users entry... Oct 13 10:55:11 ScaredyCat well.. we want to clean it up and split out docs/specs from talk and howtos Oct 13 10:55:37 and also integrate automated documentation as well as to be written one Oct 13 10:59:42 ScaredyCat i only deleted empty and unused pages Oct 13 11:06:47 * cjb_ie wonders how feasible it would be to linuxify something like a treo 680 Oct 13 11:07:30 works ;] Oct 13 11:21:52 hey I want to test openmoko with an emulator Oct 13 11:22:16 debian sid 64bit here, what is the easiest way to do that? Oct 13 11:33:22 blinx, sid 64 bit? which arch did you install? amd64? Oct 13 11:34:00 amd64, right Oct 13 11:34:07 I see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Using_QEMU_with_MokoMakefile#Debian_4.0_and_Ubuntu_7.04 Oct 13 11:34:17 blinx, if you used 32bit I would have said to download mokomakefile and run make qemu Oct 13 11:34:56 :) Oct 13 11:35:00 blinx, but I think you may have to change the ARCH in build/conf/local.conf to i686 or something like that Oct 13 11:35:01 I will try it anyway Oct 13 11:37:16 no news concerning the release date of the neo? Oct 13 11:41:11 blinx, nope but atleast we know what gps chipset we have Oct 13 11:42:11 speaking of said gps chip, wonder if RMS will endorse GTA-02 now, as in the previous communication the gllin stuff was (unsurprisingly) the biggest hurdle with that Oct 13 11:45:28 well.. i think 'antares4' is what helps people... ATR0635 doesnt help anybody ;) Oct 13 11:48:32 roh, I assume there aren't any news on GPS status for GTA01, aren't they? Oct 13 11:48:43 not yet. Oct 13 11:50:08 but mickey is back from portugal ;) Oct 13 11:52:11 roh, :) Oct 13 12:11:39 * ScaredyCat returns - bloated Oct 13 12:13:38 have you seen http://sourceforge.net/projects/osgps/ before? Oct 13 12:15:10 is that the one that's supposed to be able to read navtec/garmin maps but they don;t tell you how to do Oct 13 12:15:35 nope.. thats a soft-gps solution as far as i could tell Oct 13 12:16:00 roh: is it possible to measure some distances with the actual moko? Oct 13 12:16:42 * cb22 sees that the new gps chip supports WAAS and DGPS among others Oct 13 12:16:58 roh: errm no it's not a 'soft' gps Oct 13 12:17:21 I mean something like this: hit a button -> start point ... go to your destination and hit the button again -> it shows the air line or the walked way between the points... Oct 13 12:17:43 http://home.earthlink.net/~cwkelley/ Oct 13 12:20:01 ScaredyCat well.. not that soft as the gl, but seemingly much more low-level than parsing completely correlated nmea Oct 13 12:20:42 oh, yeah.. the guy claims not to know much about gps, but looks like he knows a hell of a lot to me Oct 13 12:21:05 blinx that could be implemented easily - but you'd have to use a bluetooth-gps-receiver Oct 13 12:24:07 kristian-m: why? Oct 13 12:24:17 kristian-m: other apps can use gps, too Oct 13 12:24:29 why I would need a bluetooth receiver? Oct 13 12:24:33 +gps Oct 13 12:25:00 blinx, because GTA01 needs a closed source driver for its GPS and this driver cannot be distributed atm Oct 13 12:25:05 hey kristian-m Oct 13 12:28:26 hey Ghiottone :) Oct 13 12:29:20 blinx yea but thats with some biary driver that can't be distributed with openmoko Oct 13 12:29:43 Ghiottone ah, eh right Oct 13 12:29:47 Ghiottone well.. the problem is not distribution anymore, its just not working on eabi (eabi build broken) Oct 13 12:30:49 roh: Problem is not distribution anymore... does that mean it can be distributed now? Oct 13 12:32:06 abraxa_ if delivered with the right licence text... i'll see what i can find out. Oct 13 12:32:15 roh, is it too much to ask them to recompile it for the eabi Oct 13 12:32:27 roh: Awesome! =) Oct 13 12:32:39 Ghiottone well.. they did and the binary is not working Oct 13 12:32:55 roh that's strange Oct 13 12:32:59 Hi, is umts/3g support expected for the neo1973 ? Oct 13 12:33:21 KenSentMe not in the near future, no Oct 13 12:35:01 kristian-m, hmm, that's sad. I'm following the Openmoko project for a while and am very interested in buying the neo1973 when my current phone stops running, but i can't miss umts anymore Oct 13 12:35:32 kristian-m, is it hard to implement, or is there some other reason for this? Oct 13 12:36:24 KenSentMe: It would require totally different GSM hardware - with as open specs as possible Oct 13 12:36:52 roh, pity. is there a way to help on that? and does it mean that we could have an abi executable? Oct 13 12:36:52 abraxa_, and that isn't available yet? Oct 13 12:37:27 KenSentMe: It's more a matter of "do we really want to redesign this crucial part of the hardware when we are already way behind schedule?" Oct 13 12:37:48 Ghiottone i'll try to push that forward. Oct 13 12:38:16 roh, thanks! Oct 13 12:38:18 abraxa_, i understand. But it's a technology that will only be used more and more in the future. It could be that umts support is planned in a future release of the neo Oct 13 12:39:19 KenSentMe: roh would be the one to give a more definite answer on that but I am 100% positive that OpenMoko, Inc. can't miss out on that market in the long run - so UMTS/3G versions will follow eventually Oct 13 12:39:30 kristian-m: why is there the gps chip implemented with only binary drivers???? Oct 13 12:40:18 well.. 3G will get used as soon as there is a spin which makes it possible. which means: no there is no hardware design put together, but its clearly on the 'want to have in new devices'-list Oct 13 12:40:29 blinx: Because the Hammerhead (in GTA01) is a mere receiver and does very little in hardware - the real work is done in software. You can imagine the company doesn't want that knowledge open to competitors Oct 13 12:40:54 roh, thanks for the clarification Oct 13 12:40:55 just not not gta01 and gta02. 3g also means zillions of licence-daemons more and the added cost through this Oct 13 12:41:24 abraxa_: hrm Oct 13 12:41:35 meaning even if someone could build the hardware for the same price as with 2g, 3g costs quite a bit only in royalties per device Oct 13 12:41:38 abraxa_: how the other gps based apps handle that? Oct 13 12:41:43 moin Oct 13 12:42:18 hola hhf423 Oct 13 12:42:34 hi Ghiottone Oct 13 12:43:06 blinx: "other GPS apps"? I would assume other GPS-aware applications just handle NMEA data - not raw data coming from a proprietary GPS chip. Note that GTA02 has a different chip now which (afaik) does everything in hardware, so no driver should be needed Oct 13 12:43:24 abraxa_ libgpsd, not raw nmea Oct 13 12:43:41 kristian-m, are there some packages that still needs to be done? I have stopped working on the NEO for one whole week cause of my new laptop Oct 13 12:43:53 roh: Still better than HH, yes? Oct 13 12:44:19 abraxa_ meaning: for the app its totally uninterresting which hardware its on. its only talking to gpsd (which gets fed nmea or ubx from serial or nmea from socket) Oct 13 12:44:24 KenSentMe Ghiottone if you've got time it'd be nice to have a package of the currnet pyPenNotes Oct 13 12:44:56 roh: Well yeah, was just wanting to clarify that the HH needs a binary driver because of its hardware design Oct 13 12:45:24 abraxa_ it does not need to be binary because of the design, but because of the businesscase Oct 13 12:45:26 ;) Oct 13 12:45:26 hello, anybody working her on the qemu emulator ? Oct 13 12:45:35 s/her/here Oct 13 12:45:47 roh: Oh? Hmm... interesting. Oct 13 12:51:36 kristian-m, version 3b? Oct 13 12:53:16 kristian-m, mmm what did you say you wanted as icon? Oct 13 12:58:18 Ghiottone gtk-directory Oct 13 13:04:43 hmm, the top menu still does only show up on every second boot of the neo Oct 13 13:06:11 Are there any other phones with 3g that will run openmoko when it's stable? Oct 13 13:06:43 KenSentMe: when its stable there will be loads of phones Oct 13 13:06:55 when its stable Oct 13 13:08:44 Is gta02 considered stable? Oct 13 13:09:08 gta02 is hardware, not openmoko which is software Oct 13 13:09:50 yeah, but the gta02 is released in december for mass market and runs openmoko. So is the software used in that release considered stable? Oct 13 13:09:50 well, is gta02 considered stable hardware? Oct 13 13:10:16 gta02 is stable hardware. gta01 is also stable hardware Oct 13 13:10:27 okay, good Oct 13 13:10:46 I doubt that there will be stable software in december, but it is not impossible Oct 13 13:12:19 in any case, I expect to have gta02 in my hands early january. maybe some lucky bastards will have it in late december (like if you are one of the first 100 orders and live next door to from where they ship :-) Oct 13 13:12:27 KenSentMe: "gta02 is released in december for mass market" - says who? Oct 13 13:13:10 abraxa_: that has been said by a number of people in the past months Oct 13 13:13:32 abraxa_, says here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 Oct 13 13:13:32 "past months" Oct 13 13:14:27 said by mickey on sept 20th Oct 13 13:14:43 qualified with something like "i hope" Oct 13 13:18:34 is there still hope that GPS will be made to work in gta01? Oct 13 13:19:22 of course Oct 13 13:19:34 great Oct 13 13:19:37 hey mickeyl Oct 13 13:19:40 wb Oct 13 13:20:56 mickeyl: can you maybe expand on the basis for your hope? Oct 13 13:20:56 hey Oct 13 13:21:02 well Oct 13 13:21:11 a) there's the oabi-gllin which works Oct 13 13:21:22 b) there's the eabi-gllin which doesn't work Oct 13 13:21:35 we may just distribute oabi-gllin with a chroot or other hacks Oct 13 13:21:42 or find a way to make eabi-gllin work Oct 13 13:22:01 there will be a way to make it work, it's just a question of how ugly and when Oct 13 13:22:57 I see Oct 13 13:25:50 mickeyl thats great news Oct 13 13:26:06 is it? Oct 13 13:26:09 is there any news on gsmd development? now that I have a new eplus sim card wich works in my neo I be me more interested to use it as a phone than before :-) Oct 13 13:26:22 i'm surprised that you think we abandoned that topic. Oct 13 13:26:43 we are committed to get the phone to work as advertised Oct 13 13:26:44 with all the focus on gta02 Oct 13 13:27:07 well Oct 13 13:27:20 you have to stay in business to earn money for the software team Oct 13 13:27:21 heh Oct 13 13:27:36 so we can fix the issues for all models Oct 13 13:28:55 I do not get that. who has to stay in which business? Oct 13 13:29:05 the guys who pay my salary Oct 13 13:29:46 and gta02 might be the first device which actually brings a bit of money for FIC Oct 13 13:29:51 which is FIC, no? Or OpenMoko, a 100% daugther of FIC Oct 13 13:31:34 if FIC does not have the breath to invest for three to five years then they should probably stay out of this. But it was my impression that they have. Oct 13 13:32:00 and gta01 was not sold at a loss, was it? just not big profit, right? Oct 13 13:33:49 i don't know the numbers. i just know that every company works in parallel on future models. it is not a serial process. the focus of the hardware people is on gta02, yes, of course, gta01 is done. it's not the focus of the software people. Oct 13 13:34:06 [as far as I and the colleagues i know about are concerned] Oct 13 13:34:13 i know not everything what happens in .tw Oct 13 13:34:59 although i expect to be updated in exactly one week :) Oct 13 13:35:17 *g* Oct 13 13:35:19 so, about software, any news on gsmd development? Oct 13 13:35:40 not from me. i'm still catching up from vacation Oct 13 13:36:01 as far as i can see there are patches going in Oct 13 13:36:04 hhf423 the gsm modem stays the same for gta02. so it needs to work nonetheless. there will be work happening Oct 13 13:36:08 incremental improvements Oct 13 13:36:20 but not yet the revamp which I suppose Oct 13 13:36:31 when do you think we might see that? next week? Oct 13 13:36:45 (the patches, not the revamp) Oct 13 13:36:54 there are constantly patches going in Oct 13 13:36:58 read the commit list Oct 13 13:37:03 see OE Oct 13 13:37:04 etc. Oct 13 13:37:18 well.. sofa for me.. bbl Oct 13 13:37:21 nah, there was nothing happening last week Oct 13 13:40:29 where do you see anything about gsmd or related? Oct 13 13:41:03 oh, 762 was closed. great Oct 13 13:42:24 NOTE: fetch https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/fontconfig/device_symbols.h Oct 13 13:42:28 ERROR: Certificate verification error for stage.maemo.org: unable to get local issuer certificate Oct 13 13:42:31 To connect to stage.maemo.org insecurely, use `--no-check-certificate'. Oct 13 13:42:54 (when running mokomakefile / make openmoko-devel-image) Oct 13 13:58:38 urghs Oct 13 13:58:42 * mickeyl forgot his tea water Oct 13 13:58:44 *sigh* Oct 13 13:59:00 it's been cooling down for 60 minutes now Oct 13 13:59:57 separate water heater for the win :) Oct 13 14:00:17 put the cup on a neo, take out the battery, and plug it into the usb port Oct 13 14:00:18 or an alarm clock... Oct 13 14:03:46 i have tried to run open moko on qemu but it is unbelievably slow. is this a problem with the emulation or the is it just so slow? Oct 13 14:04:24 both Oct 13 14:04:47 mickeyl: hey how goes? Oct 13 14:05:24 Dheath: what kind of hardware you running it on? Oct 13 14:05:38 normal pc (x86) Oct 13 14:05:46 need more info? Oct 13 14:05:53 like, how fast Oct 13 14:06:08 more than 5 minutes to start Oct 13 14:06:12 mickeyl: so, there's some very cool plans for hal - basically hald will be going away, replaced with some file/db that has all teh device info Oct 13 14:06:18 Dheath: no, how fast is the PC Oct 13 14:06:22 push a button wait 30 sec Oct 13 14:06:32 dheath hm Oct 13 14:06:37 ... Oct 13 14:06:51 hello Oct 13 14:07:00 damn i have to check the exact number but it definiteli isnt that slow Oct 13 14:07:01 does anyone have a link to a working gsmhandset.state file? Oct 13 14:07:14 mickeyl: udev will grow some rules additions so particular system activatable daemons can be started for particular devices Oct 13 14:07:34 mickeyl: still not quite figured what happens with fdi's though ;) Oct 13 14:09:38 robster: hey rob. so so. the stresslessness i got from two weeks in portugal were eaten up pretty instantaneously due to OEDEM and my forthcoming Taipei journey... Oct 13 14:09:47 robster: (udev) interesting. Oct 13 14:10:06 OEDEM was stress? Oct 13 14:10:37 for me yes. arrived in FRA 02:00, took the ICE to Berlin @ 06:00. had to moderate two days long, etc. Oct 13 14:11:27 ah, right. thats too little sleep probably. I had to survive the week on 3-5h sleep/night and that was also a bit too little. Oct 13 14:11:32 robtaylor: do you have a link? Oct 13 14:11:35 *nod* Oct 13 14:11:51 traveling like that takes a huge toll Oct 13 14:11:57 its amazing though, how refreshed I was after 5h sleep when I had only 4 and 3 the nights before Oct 13 14:12:15 heh, yeah, it's all relative, but usually i need 8h Oct 13 14:12:21 same here Oct 13 14:12:31 mickeyl: yeah, thats always the problem with holidays - you need to come back ;) Oct 13 14:12:54 pH5: Nope, this was just what we discussed at the gnome boston summit Oct 13 14:13:20 robster: i'm seriously thinking about taking 6 months off Oct 13 14:13:23 the question is when Oct 13 14:13:41 mickeyl: (hey, get the right rob ;)) Oct 13 14:13:45 oops Oct 13 14:13:47 sorry ;) Oct 13 14:14:06 robtaylor: ok, cool. looking forward to more info about that :) Oct 13 14:14:23 mickeyl: yeah, there's nothing like a good long break.. Lets hope you get some time after GTA02 release :) Oct 13 14:14:28 mickeyl: you can 6 months off when openmoko is stable :-) Oct 13 14:14:57 hhf423: heh Oct 13 14:15:00 hhf423: slave driver Oct 13 14:15:08 want me bound for the next 2 years? :D Oct 13 14:15:35 robtaylor: probably not. but i'll aim for Q1 and Q2 2009 Oct 13 14:15:54 that sounds reasonable Oct 13 14:16:50 with a small tour through ireland and scotland Oct 13 14:17:12 hopefully doing some gigs in clubs Oct 13 14:17:16 so is there a working alsa .state file? I couldn't fine anything on the wiki that actually worked without feedback for me Oct 13 14:17:18 * mickeyl dreamingm Oct 13 14:17:31 ifoox: query alphaone when he's awaken. he should have one iirc Oct 13 14:18:17 mickeyl: thanks! Oct 13 14:19:30 mickeyl: Would you mind granting me commit access to the artwork dir so I can fix/update things there, too? Oct 13 14:20:24 cjb_ie: 2.00 GHz Oct 13 14:21:58 abraxa_: granted. please try again Oct 13 14:22:16 mickeyl: Thanks :) Oct 13 14:22:20 np Oct 13 14:22:28 yay. all my paperwork done for today Oct 13 14:22:37 sofa-time with the new c't now Oct 13 14:22:40 cu Oct 13 14:24:49 openmoko: 03abraxa * r3156 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/icons/openmoko-standard/ (12 files in 3 dirs): Swap gtk-media-play-*.png's LTR and RTL versions Oct 13 14:24:55 Worked :) Oct 13 14:25:23 so, when can we expect compiz-fusion on the neo ^-^ Oct 13 14:27:09 cb22: Does it speak OpenGL ES? Oct 13 14:27:26 i wish Oct 13 14:27:39 although how dissimilar are the two? Oct 13 14:29:01 infact, i dont really care about most things... Oct 13 14:29:04 i just want the cube Oct 13 14:29:11