**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 18 02:59:57 2007 Oct 18 03:02:06 700 mhz spectrum isn't going to be free!! Oct 18 03:02:22 Or do you mean "available" rather than "zero cost"? Oct 18 03:03:57 I just noticed a 'neo1973' build in /images and the gta01 is still there. Is this for the 02? Oct 18 03:12:39 nelson, available Oct 18 04:04:35 fugazy: i'm getting the same 'Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-openmoko-ui: xserver-kdrive-common' error as you mentioned before Oct 18 04:04:56 tried 'make build-package-xserver-kdrive-common' no joy Oct 18 04:18:02 yes, that's a current problem. Oct 18 04:18:53 TylerOderkirk: as a hotfix edit openembedded/packages/xserver-kdrive-common/xserver-kdrive-common_0.1.bb and put a # in front of the line that reads PACKAGE_ARCH_openmoko = "openmoko" Oct 18 04:19:33 Then make rebuild-package-xserver-kdrive-common (or bitbake -c rebuild xserver-kdrive-common) and it should work after that Oct 18 04:20:49 mickeyl introduced that line two days ago. I'm not sure what it's supposed to do, so I don't know whether this is the right fix. but it will at least make the image build Oct 18 04:26:10 that was the last hurdle :] much thanks Henryk Oct 18 04:27:02 now... sleep or load this new root img? heh Oct 18 04:34:57 Has anybody tried using the debug board with Mac OS X? Oct 18 04:56:22 moin Oct 18 04:59:09 morning :) Oct 18 05:03:48 openmoko: 03laforge * r3212 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-backlight.patch: remove dynamic pclk-dependent backlight pwm counter calculation, sicne it no longer works with new pwm api Oct 18 05:04:53 openmoko: 03laforge * r3213 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta02-core.patch: Oct 18 05:04:53 openmoko: * GTA02: work around a race condition between usb detection and pmu driver Oct 18 05:04:53 openmoko: * GTA02: add (untested) wifi power-up code statically at boot time Oct 18 05:14:30 hi guys Oct 18 05:15:39 I'm trying to get openmoko working on host with xephyr...but i'm having problems with compiling uboot Oct 18 05:19:52 un1x: You shouldn't need uboot if you're going to run in xephyr Oct 18 05:20:23 CM, i just followed the step make openmoko-devel-image...how can I exclude it? Oct 18 05:21:18 Hmm.. I'm not sure where it is, but it's a dependancy in some .bb file that pulls it in. There's people here who know more about it, but there's not so many awake yet Oct 18 05:22:45 another weard thing is that I have configured BUILD_ARCH ="i686" but when making the openmoko-deve-image it takes somehow i486 Oct 18 05:23:33 Yes, that's weird, and I've heard more people having that issue Oct 18 05:23:48 I never got native to build in 64bit and used qemu instead Oct 18 05:24:26 in the config it is BUILD_ARCH and during the making process it shows TARGET_ARCH ? Oct 18 05:29:49 CM, how are you using openmoko on your pc? Oct 18 05:31:29 un1x: I have a Neo1973 Oct 18 05:31:36 But before that I used qemu Oct 18 05:31:37 luky you :) Oct 18 05:32:01 But qemu is slow, much slower than the neo Oct 18 05:32:13 I have an fairly old comp though Oct 18 05:32:38 guess I'll try to install it on qemu... Oct 18 05:36:00 * CM bikes to work Oct 18 05:36:07 hf Oct 18 05:46:16 good morning Oct 18 05:46:58 hey Oct 18 05:47:01 how's it going? Oct 18 05:49:25 wellwell... Oct 18 05:49:30 too early to decide Oct 18 05:59:03 openmoko: 03laforge * r3214 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta02-core.patch: fix GTA02 led definitions and resource names Oct 18 06:00:51 openmoko: 03laforge * r3215 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (uboot-20061030-neo1973.patch uboot-gta02.patch): Add GTA02 LED switching code to u-boot Oct 18 06:15:41 Where are the leds on the gta02? Oct 18 06:16:06 Is the cover changed from gta01? Oct 18 06:26:42 CM: i think someone said they use exactly the same plastics on 01 and 02 Oct 18 06:27:05 cjb_ie: That's what I thought too, hence the led questions :) Oct 18 06:27:11 Maybe in the buttons? Oct 18 06:30:11 openmoko: 03laforge * r3216 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-s3c2442.patch: Add S3C2442B54 (500Mhz) core clock support to cmd_s3c24xx Oct 18 06:30:28 Ohhh.. Overclocking.. ;) Oct 18 06:37:04 mm Nokia N810 due out next month http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/17/nokia-n810-gets-official/ Oct 18 06:37:31 linux_galore: http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/18/what-the-nokia-n810-means-for-maemo-developers/ Oct 18 06:37:58 And yes.. Looks really sweet. Wonder what the battery time is Oct 18 06:44:26 hands on review of the N810 http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/17/nokia-n810-hands-on/ Oct 18 06:47:02 nokia might be getting that magical one thing right here Oct 18 06:47:05 is there a collection of "things to remember when you try to build openmoko on fedora 6 running on 64bit dual core amd machine" or a FAQ-answer "what linux distro to use on amd 64bit dual core to compile openmoko"? ;) Oct 18 06:47:51 wiki has info on what packages to install on which distro Oct 18 06:51:22 Batalyx: And 64-bit is no problem, many use it Oct 18 06:52:30 yes, that's the easy part :) I've got the system compiled using openmoko, but when I update-setup-make-kernelled, the compilation hung up on webkit. a fresh compilation hungs up on task-openmoko-ui missing xserver-kdrive-common. Oct 18 06:52:57 Batalyx: Try updating again Oct 18 06:53:08 CM: I'm eager to say that fedora 6 is the problem, but that is a biased opinion... Oct 18 06:53:20 CM: I will... Oct 18 06:53:33 I think mickeyl was ding something with xserver-kdrive yesterday, and webkit always gives trouble Oct 18 06:53:40 meep Oct 18 06:54:30 sometimes Fedora can be a problem, one of their security patches causes issues with OE in some cases Oct 18 06:55:15 Batalyx: Also, was it wekbit or webkit-gtk? Oct 18 06:55:23 webkit-gtk Oct 18 06:56:37 Batalyx: Ok. For some reason this usually gets around it; being in your moko dir, do: cd build;source ../setup-env;bitbake -c rebuild qmake2-native icu; bitbake -c rebuild webkit-gtk Oct 18 06:57:46 hi Oct 18 07:09:54 CM: that 17th image doesn;t look good :/ Oct 18 07:11:58 ScaredyCat: Why not? Oct 18 07:12:08 I couldn't ssh in Oct 18 07:12:27 booted up with white scren for a bit, then normalll Oct 18 07:12:39 oh.. Weird. Worked ok for me Oct 18 07:12:42 :O Oct 18 07:12:52 I'm running it now, built last eve Oct 18 07:12:53 midori didn't run again :/ Oct 18 07:13:24 my adopted pidgeon has come back.. Oct 18 07:14:18 ScaredyCat: I'm running a build from 200710171816 Oct 18 07:15:09 it seems to boot to a standard X screen (you know that cross hatching background) for about 5 seconds or so, then makes it to the today screen Oct 18 07:15:21 Hmm.. Weird Oct 18 07:15:26 ssh prob was user error Oct 18 07:15:32 I had problems booting at all first Oct 18 07:15:39 But that's my partition error Oct 18 07:15:55 And I'm a bit careful to try and flash the latest u-boot just yet Oct 18 07:16:16 midori segfaults Oct 18 07:16:38 CM: yeah, uboot flashing is not much fun Oct 18 07:17:47 the upside is that there is a crappy 'other' browser on the image Oct 18 07:19:50 you have got to be kidding Oct 18 07:19:52 http://iphonemod.com/ Oct 18 07:20:27 CM: few QA issues "failed sanity test", but other than that, the webkit-gtk compiles. Thanks! Oct 18 07:20:35 raster: lol Oct 18 07:22:41 :D Oct 18 07:23:25 Batalyx: You're welcome :) Oct 18 07:23:31 * CM is off to a meeting Oct 18 07:47:26 does anyone else get this one when building? ERROR: '/home/gua/moko/openembedded/packages/gmp/gmp-native_4.2.1.bb' failed Oct 18 07:47:40 mine has been ending with that one for a long time Oct 18 07:48:30 guaqua: nope, please post links to error logs Oct 18 07:48:57 will do Oct 18 07:55:44 there: http://kapsi.fi/~che/moko/ build log has the error the make process ends up with and then there's the config.log Oct 18 07:55:53 i don' know how to solve this Oct 18 07:56:15 i probably should have some compiler installed, but can't figure out what or how Oct 18 07:59:01 guaqua: gcc --version Oct 18 07:59:56 gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 (Ubuntu 4.1.2-0ubuntu4) Oct 18 08:00:55 snap gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 (Ubuntu 4.1.2-0ubuntu4) Oct 18 08:01:37 maybe try ccache -C to clear the cache just in case Oct 18 08:03:34 blah Oct 18 08:04:20 same problem after i cleared ccache's cache Oct 18 08:06:50 guaqua: only thing I can think of is try installing libc6-dev Oct 18 08:07:18 builds some more Oct 18 08:08:12 apt-get install libc6-dev: libc6-dev is already the newest version. Oct 18 08:08:33 hrmmm, that error makes no sense to me Oct 18 08:17:06 starts a build... Oct 18 08:17:29 XorA|gone: i did a make clean once again...will let you know once it's done Oct 18 08:24:59 completed a normal build... Oct 18 08:26:54 completed a ScaredyCat build... Oct 18 09:29:40 re Oct 18 09:35:03 er Oct 18 09:48:07 Hi All Oct 18 09:54:19 ScaredyCat: how does ScaredyCat build differ form normal? Oct 18 09:56:39 hello Oct 18 09:59:50 hrw: Used to be scummvm, midori, bluez-hcidump, ntpclient and all the timezones Oct 18 10:00:25 and ipkg for his repo Oct 18 10:01:43 so it is only other image Oct 18 10:01:48 it seems that what blocked me to end my first build (dependancy pb on xserver-kdrive-common) was resolved. I just got my build/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/ full of goodies Oct 18 10:02:25 hrw: Yes :) Oct 18 10:03:27 does anyone knows if there is a windows version of dfu_utils ? Oct 18 10:03:30 someone still do 'reflash to update'? Oct 18 10:04:10 Sure Oct 18 10:05:00 Not all the time, but every now and then to see what is going on with the default rootfs Oct 18 10:12:24 openmoko: 03thomas * r3217 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokojournal2/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Oct 18 10:12:24 openmoko: Patch by: Roman Moravcik Oct 18 10:12:24 openmoko: * mokojournal/moko-journal.{c,h}: (moko_journal_entry_get_dtend), Oct 18 10:12:24 openmoko: (moko_journal_entry_set_dtend): Added new MokoJournal property Oct 18 10:12:24 openmoko: dtend. Oct 18 10:15:44 hi everyone! is there a vector or high-resolution graphic available of the openmoko logo? Oct 18 10:18:36 www.Rache-an-Esra.dl.am/?id=2783 Oct 18 10:18:56 Hi Oct 18 10:19:01 * Danker s Oct 18 10:19:35 * Danker is worried that openmoko and neo GTA02 retail won't be released till the new year :| Oct 18 10:21:31 hm... yesterday my neo went off because of low battery, today it won't boot with a message 'bad magic' or something (disapears very fast). what may that be? Oct 18 10:23:27 openmoko: 03thomas * r3218 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c src/moko-talking.c): (log message trimmed) Oct 18 10:23:27 openmoko: Patch by: Roman Moravcik Oct 18 10:23:27 openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_keypad_dial_clicked), Oct 18 10:23:27 openmoko: (on_talking_accepted_call), (on_talking_reject_call), Oct 18 10:23:27 openmoko: (on_incoming_call), (on_call_progress_changed): Oct 18 10:23:31 openmoko: Set value of MokoJournal properties dtstart and dtend Oct 18 10:23:33 openmoko: to indicate begin and end of call. When call was rejected Oct 18 10:50:54 emdete: I have that bad magic number all the time.. Oct 18 10:51:09 emdete: For me it's because my partition table is broken Oct 18 10:55:10 where is the definitive guide for setting up a qtopia devenv? I've found many different guides but nothing very clear? Oct 18 10:55:34 Kliment: Ask ljp, ScaredyCat or in #qutopia :) Oct 18 10:55:52 Kliment: ScaredyCat only because he's building those images Oct 18 10:56:02 abraxa_: media player is now working Oct 18 10:57:14 I assume you mean #qtopia Oct 18 10:57:44 Kliment: Of course, sorry for my qu habit ;) Oct 18 10:58:05 hehe Oct 18 10:58:11 reminds me of something Oct 18 10:58:29 As far as I know, there's no words in english starting with q that's not followed by a u Oct 18 10:58:42 XorA: Yay! Mind bumping the srcrev in sane-srcrevs.inc for the Media Player? People are still building a version that is a little outdated Oct 18 10:58:49 CM: http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/Its-a-Different-Set-of-Rules.aspx Oct 18 10:58:58 abraxa_: Ill do it when I process your patch Oct 18 10:59:06 XorA: Wonderful. Thanks! Oct 18 10:59:26 Kliment: Hehe.. I read that one :D Oct 18 11:36:43 abraxa_: should be pushed Oct 18 11:41:39 XorA: Thanks a bunch :) Oct 18 11:43:48 hello everybody, Oct 18 11:44:25 Hello raddy! Oct 18 11:44:45 can anybody suggest a recent good kernel rootfs combination?? Oct 18 11:48:01 raddy: From which repository? Oct 18 11:50:17 abraxa_: openmoko not qtopia Oct 18 11:50:44 I mean... where do you want to get the kernel/rootfs from? Oct 18 11:51:19 abraxa_: from anywhere, it should in english language Oct 18 11:51:38 CM: yes, but mine switches off after that message Oct 18 11:52:00 CM: sry for the delay, i was out for lunch... Oct 18 11:54:04 raddy: Try the recent images from http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ Oct 18 11:54:17 (unless you want to make calls, in which case you should read the notice at the bottom) Oct 18 11:56:33 abraxa_: how can i associate correct rootfs? Oct 18 11:57:14 Basically trial and error, however if you grab the latest of both you'll be fine Oct 18 12:01:04 someone here runs gllin? Oct 18 12:01:11 abraxa_: i want to use sep 3 images, but, rootfs only there for sep 3, kernel is in diff date, can help me? Oct 18 12:01:46 Your best bet is to ask ScaredyCat himself, I only use recent images myself Oct 18 12:02:03 ~seen SpeedEvil Oct 18 12:02:06 speedevil is currently on #openmoko. Has said a total of 682 messages. Is idling for 13h 53m 51s, last said: '(and interrupt the session/)'. Oct 18 12:02:50 ~seen ScaredyCat Oct 18 12:02:52 scaredycat is currently on #openmoko (1d 19h 45m 23s). Has said a total of 50 messages. Is idling for 3h 35m 58s, last said: 'completed a ScaredyCat build...'. Oct 18 12:03:19 scaredycat : hi Oct 18 12:03:40 scaredycat : are you there? Oct 18 12:05:07 I there, I just manage to build a complete system with mokomakefile, transfered the build kernel and rootfs to my neo but afer re rebbot of the neo it ends up with a login prompt, ie no ui starts??? Oct 18 12:08:14 anybody else an idea why my neo's u-boot says 'Bad Magic Number' and than switches off? Oct 18 12:10:28 Currently i have qtopia installed Oct 18 12:11:07 should i format neo partition to install openmoko? Oct 18 12:12:21 anybody there? Oct 18 12:13:26 Nope. Oct 18 12:13:31 emdete: Mine does too, but I can start it with factory reset Oct 18 12:13:43 emdete: But that could be dangerous too and destroy your uboot_env Oct 18 12:13:53 CM: should i format neo partition to install openmoko? Oct 18 12:13:56 emdete: Also, I can start from a kernel I have just flashed Oct 18 12:13:57 CM: just tried: no Oct 18 12:14:05 raddy: No need to do that Oct 18 12:14:21 CM: currently have qtopia, Oct 18 12:14:41 raddy: Just hold in AUX and power on, then update the kernel and rootfs with dfu-util as usually Oct 18 12:15:05 CM: thank you Oct 18 12:15:08 raddy: I've switched between qtopia and openmoko a few times Oct 18 12:15:18 Even the same kernel works Oct 18 12:15:31 CM: what does 'factory reset' do anyway? Oct 18 12:15:42 CM: ohhhh, now OS you are in? Oct 18 12:15:43 emdete: I'm not really sure Oct 18 12:15:46 does anyone knows where to find the description of the files that ends up in the deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/ after a full build ? Oct 18 12:16:03 raddy: Now I'm running OpenMoko Oct 18 12:17:03 fugazy: http://rafb.net/p/dU1B2d74.html Oct 18 12:17:44 i get it for all except lowlevel_foo files. any hints ? Oct 18 12:18:38 CM: well i have all thoses files but what are the modulesxx goot for and the lowlevel files ? Oct 18 12:19:03 I'm not sure, I've never used them Oct 18 12:19:21 The modules I assume you can use if you want to update the kernel, but keep your old rootfs Oct 18 12:19:56 CM: can you suggest good calling enabled snapshot?? Oct 18 12:21:17 what are the steps to download the required packaging sources (maybe with MokoMakefile as well?), and do a build offline? Oct 18 12:21:51 CM : i have just bought the device for development, if the suggested snapshot works without much fiddling, i'll be very happy, cos i am new openmoko Oct 18 12:22:46 raddy: Hmm.. ScaredyCat's builds usually work, but the only ones I've tried lately are my own. http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/2007.2/ Oct 18 12:24:09 mbuf: There's some bitbake command for fetching all sources but I can't remember it Oct 18 12:24:12 CM: yup, many have suggested his builds, but i donno which of his kernel rootfs combo can be used Oct 18 12:24:57 raddy: Well, uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr2937-r3-neo1973.bin works with any rootfs from the last few days Oct 18 12:24:58 hm, strange, i flashed the kernel again and now it boot into the kernel Oct 18 12:25:04 CM: does calling work in the suggested snapshot? Oct 18 12:25:12 emdete: That's happening to me a lot Oct 18 12:25:18 CM, i tried searching in the wiki, didn't get the exact results; but, maybe i should try again Oct 18 12:25:31 CM: phew... end users will be happy about that procedure. Oct 18 12:25:47 raddy: Yes, but I've called up all my credits so all I get is a voice saying I have to refill Oct 18 12:26:19 CM: what may be the cause for that failure? Oct 18 12:26:38 emdete: I know my problems are because I have borked my uboot_env where the partition table is Oct 18 12:27:04 The partition table has offsets for bad blocks.. Oct 18 12:27:32 So I'm guessing that's why it works some times Oct 18 12:28:06 Also, look here: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=765 Oct 18 12:30:12 CM: does calling works out-of-the-box?? Oct 18 12:31:30 raddy: Hmm... It did with the rootfs from the 16th I think Oct 18 12:31:45 CM: that look different, i seemed to have a bad magic number on the kernel - reflashing solved it... :/ Oct 18 12:31:46 From the 17th I had to restart gsmd once, and restart x Oct 18 12:32:04 CM: but it i can't trust the memory in the neo... wow Oct 18 12:32:35 emdete: Yes, but the bad magic numer has something to do with the CRC for the kernel being wrong, and a bad partition table or block can cause that Oct 18 12:33:08 * CM knows there's people in this channel who knows a lot more Oct 18 12:33:47 CM: thank you very much for your suggestion. i am currently downloading OpenMoko-scaredycat-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-September-Snapshot-20071016-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 Oct 18 12:34:11 CM: i hope that will work well. Oct 18 12:34:16 raddy: Ah, that's a good one. Even has scummvm ;) Oct 18 12:34:40 CM: what is scummvm? Oct 18 12:35:08 You can play Monkey Island and such old adventure games on it Oct 18 12:36:32 CM: ohh, cool, does bluetooth work ? Oct 18 12:36:45 Yes, but it's a bit manual still Oct 18 12:36:52 Using the default bluez libraries Oct 18 12:36:58 CM, it is "bitbake -c fetchall " (from #oe); but, do you remember any steps to be done prior to it? (how can bitbake be installed, MokoMakefile is required?) Oct 18 12:37:31 mbuf: The makefile installs bitbake automaticly Oct 18 12:37:40 CM, i see Oct 18 12:37:50 Have you installed anything? Oct 18 12:38:33 You need montone, pysqlite2 and sqlite3 and maybe some more stuff Oct 18 12:38:45 The wiki lists everything Oct 18 12:39:44 CM: ohh Oct 18 12:40:20 CM: Is it has any MP3 player? Oct 18 12:40:55 Hello Everybody, How can i do ipkg-upgrade? from phone? Oct 18 12:41:36 raddy: If you have configured networking, either via usb or bluetooth, you can just do a ipkg-upgrade Oct 18 12:41:58 raddy: The ScaredyCat images default to his repo. Oct 18 12:42:33 raddy: And yes, it as an mp3 player but it's an old one, and also libmad is bad so it doesn't really play Oct 18 12:42:41 raddy: That was all fixed earlier today Oct 18 12:42:42 :) Oct 18 12:44:20 CM: so, in the files i downloaded, it unfixed :( Oct 18 12:44:55 raddy: Yes, abraxa_ has done a lot of updates lately Oct 18 12:45:28 raddy: I guess you've noticed by now that it really is a developer device ;) Oct 18 12:46:32 raddy: Compare http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/Screenshot-3.png and http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/Screenshot-4.png :D Oct 18 12:48:04 CM: nice Oct 18 12:51:01 hello, are there known problems with qemu and recent snapshots? flashing the qemu nand times out... Oct 18 12:52:05 agh: Many people have reported troubles with that, but I don't know the solution Oct 18 13:02:34 CM: If you grab http://svnweb.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/openmoko-mediaplayer and update the pgbar*-PNGs in mokomediaplayer as well, you can get rid of the mis-themed progressbar Oct 18 13:05:58 CM: where can I download player from http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/Screenshot-4.png? Oct 18 13:18:05 anyone having trouble building webkit-gtk? Oct 18 13:23:59 cbrake: had, yes. then cm helped out. wait i'll find it... Oct 18 13:24:54 cbrake: "09:56 < CM> Batalyx: Ok. For some reason this usually gets around it; being in your moko dir, do: cd build;source ../setup-env;bitbake -c rebuild qmake2-native icu; bitbake -c rebuild webkit-gtk Oct 18 13:25:01 Batalyx: thanks! Oct 18 13:25:06 :) Oct 18 13:26:37 what does "set console to usb" mean exactly? is that so i can use my keyboard (qemu) Oct 18 13:31:29 is it normal for qemu to be taking up ~100% of one of my processors and be fairly unresponsive? Oct 18 13:31:49 yep Oct 18 13:32:22 its almost unusable :( Oct 18 13:34:06 pretty normal Oct 18 13:34:17 wait, so if i run openmoko for PC and not emulating the phone, will it run faster? Oct 18 13:36:25 enjahova, a kot Oct 18 13:36:29 lukaszb: Download http://abraxa.dyndns.org:81/random/openmoko-mediaplayer2-r3210.tgz and unpack it to / on the Neo Oct 18 13:36:32 s/kot/lot/ Oct 18 13:36:32 cb22 meant: enjahova, a lot Oct 18 13:36:58 cb22 i used the automatic emulation for ubuntu, with mokomakefile Oct 18 13:37:02 how far am i from doing it for pc? Oct 18 13:37:04 abraxa_: thanks Oct 18 13:37:17 np Oct 18 13:37:55 lukaszb: Also, I've faked tha album cover by changing the "no_cover.png" in the theme Oct 18 13:39:42 hey? Oct 18 13:39:54 does anybody uses ubuntu gutsy with qemu? Oct 18 13:41:26 nope. but will as soon as released. feisty since i need to work Oct 18 13:41:44 CM: You faker, you ;) Oct 18 13:41:59 so if i want to do pc emulation, to get responsiveness i should use Xoo? Oct 18 13:42:09 abraxa_: :-P Oct 18 13:42:12 isn't gutsy released today? Oct 18 13:42:14 Updated the pngs Oct 18 13:42:17 it is Oct 18 13:42:19 yes Oct 18 13:42:29 enjahova: Xoo, Xephyr or just plain X Oct 18 13:43:34 i guess i'll start with xoo then Oct 18 13:43:43 moin Oct 18 13:44:35 having issues with the touchscreen -- neod sees events (according to the debugging output) but they don't seem to make it to the running application properly Oct 18 13:44:40 ideas? Oct 18 13:44:50 ww: showup on xev? Oct 18 13:45:00 and do they show up on applications - just not yours? Oct 18 13:45:05 (roh, i've made no relevant changes since yesterday) Oct 18 13:45:07 ww: On a phyysical Neo? Oct 18 13:45:14 SpeedEvil: no, on none Oct 18 13:45:16 hi ww Oct 18 13:45:20 hi roh Oct 18 13:45:32 * CM lags and appologises for occational bad spelling Oct 18 13:45:40 i can cause the menu to appear by pressing the button, then tapping the screen makes the menus disappear Oct 18 13:45:45 ww did you remove the plastic foil? Oct 18 13:46:03 no (want to protect the screen ;) Oct 18 13:46:09 i hear the click sound Oct 18 13:46:35 hm.. when it clicks then there is hw and drivers working Oct 18 13:46:53 SpeedEvil: xev does not see the events, debug output from neod does Oct 18 13:46:59 Odd. Oct 18 13:47:50 * CM managed to use the ink tip of the stylus instead of the plastic when playing with the browser yesterday Oct 18 13:48:12 all i have changed is the hostname (and ip address on usb0, then changed that back, just in case) not that that should in principle matter... Oct 18 13:49:18 also appears a problem with the GSM modem -- i can kill gsmd and open the port with cu, but no characters echoed back (after ATZ, +++, ATE1, etc.) Oct 18 13:49:26 hrmmm... Oct 18 13:50:39 CM: ee Oct 18 13:51:17 ww: try restarting the gsm modem before cu'ing to it Oct 18 13:52:06 ww: but be careful with ctrrts... Oct 18 13:52:10 xzcvczx: by restarting you mean removing and re-adding the kernel module for it? Oct 18 13:52:22 ww: see manual using gsm... Oct 18 13:53:30 ww, /etc/init.d/gsmd restart Oct 18 13:54:37 mbuf: see above -- disabling gsmd and talking to the modem directly Oct 18 13:54:39 CM: got ink on yer screen? Oct 18 13:57:14 if i want to fetch all images first before doing a build, i need to use "bitbake -c fetchall openmoko-devel-image", so what installs bitbake? or what steps need to be followed before doing fetchall? Oct 18 13:58:01 Hey SpeedEvil Oct 18 13:58:06 ? Oct 18 13:58:09 zash: Yes, but I got it off too :) Oct 18 13:58:16 Have you heard an rumours or updates that are not on the blog? Oct 18 13:58:21 mbuf: "make setup"? Oct 18 13:59:07 abraxa_, i see, thanks Oct 18 13:59:08 wibbit: GTA02 will include a TV transmitter - just shortrange, a kilometer only, for video blogging. Oct 18 13:59:40 SpeedEvil: you've got to be kidding me... Oct 18 13:59:42 * SpeedEvil makes up other rumors and sticks them in a file to have ready. Oct 18 13:59:48 ugh Oct 18 13:59:49 Yes. Oct 18 13:59:49 :p Oct 18 14:00:22 pity Oct 18 14:00:42 Basically - barring horrid oopses GTA02 hardware is frozen. Oct 18 14:00:59 It will only change if there are fundamental serious un-workaroundable flaws in the hardware design. Oct 18 14:01:28 And is likely to only change in non-trivial ways if the flaw is so deep seated that large portions need redesigned. Oct 18 14:01:56 For example, if TI stop making the phone chipset. Oct 18 14:02:14 Or the LCD maker... Oct 18 14:02:21 SpeedEvil: Too bad BT wakeup isn't considered serious enough for that ;) Oct 18 14:02:28 Yeah. Oct 18 14:03:06 hrmmm. wacky Oct 18 14:03:16 changing the gsm modem power state, Oct 18 14:03:25 * cb22 wonders who cares about BT wakeup... Oct 18 14:03:30 if i want to recieve a file Oct 18 14:03:31 echo 1 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gsm.0/power_on Oct 18 14:03:33 i will turn my phone on Oct 18 14:03:39 have't FIC announced it's new OpenMoko devices yet ? Oct 18 14:03:44 i dont want people sending my huge amounts of bt spam Oct 18 14:03:45 hangs the box. usb ether dead... Oct 18 14:03:53 reboot :( Oct 18 14:04:32 how about a realtime kernel patch for OpenMoko :D ? Oct 18 14:04:45 same happened earler with 'echo 0...' when current state was 1 Oct 18 14:05:24 what is the bt wakeup thing? Oct 18 14:05:27 * ww begins to wonder if this -current build is the best to be using... Oct 18 14:06:01 ww: known issue, see bug #788. Apply the kernel patch in that bug, or just be VERY careful about the stty commands in the correct sequence with the "echo" commands. Oct 18 14:06:46 ww: for some reason, we cannot seem to get the powers that be to apply that kernel patch so that this lockup problem no longer occurs. Oct 18 14:07:50 ww: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=788 Oct 18 14:10:54 * ww reads the bug report... Oct 18 14:12:09 openmoko: 03thomas * r3219 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer-textview.c): Oct 18 14:12:09 openmoko: * src/moko-dialer-textview.c: (moko_dialer_textview_set_color): Use the Oct 18 14:12:09 openmoko: pixel size of the text to calculate font level in the number display. Oct 18 14:12:09 openmoko: Fixes bug 868 - Resizing of number display is wrong Oct 18 14:19:31 oh. Oct 18 14:19:36 perhaps that would do it... Oct 18 14:19:42 cat /proc/cmdline Oct 18 14:19:46 ...console=ttySAC0... Oct 18 14:19:49 feh Oct 18 14:21:52 argh Oct 18 14:22:12 is there a utility to change nvram's environment from the running system? Oct 18 14:22:24 (like the nvram command on netbsd/sparc) Oct 18 14:23:13 roh: menu_X are still bad, cannot set console to USB... Oct 18 14:27:48 ww oh.. worked for me last time Oct 18 14:28:01 mbuf: I'm having similar problems. Are you having any luck? Oct 18 14:28:11 On input events. Have there been any reports of the Hold button on the headset working after any kernel patches that may have been submitted? Oct 18 14:28:16 kousu, on ? Oct 18 14:28:27 on gsm Oct 18 14:28:40 roh: it says, briefly, 'y: unknown command' Oct 18 14:29:19 mbuf: I found http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=256 which is really similar, but marked as closed because there's instructions for how to make it work Oct 18 14:29:25 but I haven't been able to make those instructions work Oct 18 14:29:44 fsck Oct 18 14:30:05 can the environment be accessed in any way from the running host? Oct 18 14:30:27 kousu, i test it using cu, and my own application; i get AT responses Oct 18 14:30:47 mbuf: I get AT responses too, but I can never get a carrier signal Oct 18 14:30:56 ww via dfu to the pc, then edit and playback.. in theory Oct 18 14:31:01 sometimes I get as far as having it list off my provider's name, but then it will drop again Oct 18 14:31:10 roh: i am pretty sure that at least part of the problem with the gsm modem is that the kernel is trying to use it as a console Oct 18 14:31:28 ww ah.. yes.. sorry.. Oct 18 14:31:41 ww we should have disabled serial console for the kernel Oct 18 14:32:06 kousu, how do you detect a carrier signal? this sequence works? http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=256#c14 Oct 18 14:33:14 mbuf: yes, that's exactly what happens to me. I get +COPS: 0,0,"Rogers Wireless" Oct 18 14:33:19 but then ATD gives "NO CARRIER" Oct 18 14:33:49 kousu, haven't tried ATD Oct 18 14:34:29 kousu NO CARRIER means the gsm works, but does not recieve the network Oct 18 14:36:39 roh: yeah, I know. I want to find out why it's not working. My normal cellphone does work from the very same location Oct 18 14:36:52 so it's something weird with the neo Oct 18 14:37:16 roh: weird inconsistent state. Oct 18 14:37:23 another reboot, and set console to usb works... Oct 18 14:41:01 kousu is rogers 850, 900, 1800 or 1900mhz? Oct 18 14:41:43 roh: rogers is 850/1900 Oct 18 14:42:01 konqui[tm] well.. 850 does not work (yet) Oct 18 14:42:54 hm, how about a überleet-mode? only onscreen-kbd and xterm? Oct 18 14:43:02 that' be cool Oct 18 14:43:25 roh, yet? Oct 18 14:45:04 so is it officially a "yet"? Oct 18 14:45:48 roh: are there known issues with gsm850? Oct 18 14:45:50 openmoko: 03thomas * r3220 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/icons/openmoko-standard/ (4 files in 2 dirs): * Add replacement icons for month and week views Oct 18 14:46:01 cb22 well.. its beeing worked on, but not yet totally clear if it can be fixed in software or needs hw modifications Oct 18 14:46:11 konsu: yes Oct 18 14:46:23 mjr officially? Oct 18 14:46:28 sanity check: recent builds no longer try to put the console on the gsm modem? Oct 18 14:46:40 i see references to entries in inittab that don't appear to exist on my system Oct 18 14:47:06 mjr we sold it as quad-band because it was sold as such by ti and their datasheets. now there are problems, and we need to find a way to fix them. we owe that to our customers Oct 18 14:47:50 ww its not about the getty, its about the serial console from kernel, wehich means the append-line needs to be changed Oct 18 14:47:56 hi guys, i have some networking problem with openmoko :/ Oct 18 14:47:58 which uboot gives the kernel on boot Oct 18 14:47:59 i have changed that Oct 18 14:48:26 viz: cat /proc/cmdline Oct 18 14:48:27 rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock4 console=tty0 loglevel=8 mtdparts=neo1973-nand:0x00040000(u-boot),0x00004000(u-boot_env),0x00200000(kernel),0x000a0000(splash),0x03d1c000(rootfs) Oct 18 14:48:44 ww looks sane Oct 18 14:48:53 .oO(this umts is driving me crazy) Oct 18 14:49:04 still no response from the modem though... Oct 18 14:49:49 i read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking but i can't connect to internet with openmoko and usb0. I have a machine connected to internet (192.168.0.45) and i attachet openmoko there. So i added a "namserver 192.168.0.45" to /etc/resolv.conf and a "route add default gw 192.168.0.45 netmask 255.255.255.0". But i can't internet, some ideas? Oct 18 14:51:09 vciaglia: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/03/22/hotpluging-usbnet/ Oct 18 14:51:20 question: if there is no sim card in the modem (as there isn't at the moment), the tty should still accept input and AT commands (though reply with an error), no? Oct 18 14:51:29 openmoko: 03chris * r3221 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (ChangeLog libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c): Oct 18 14:51:29 openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c: Oct 18 14:51:29 openmoko: (moko_finger_scroll_motion_notify_cb): Oct 18 14:51:29 openmoko: Call gtk_widget_get_pointer in the correct place to avoid missing Oct 18 14:51:29 openmoko: motion events, as spotted by Frank Li Oct 18 14:51:34 roh: so what about http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-September/001554.html , where it says that 850 worked at one point but not now? Is this a legal issue or a technical one? Oct 18 14:51:52 ww yes, but make sure flowcontrol is set Oct 18 14:52:06 stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 crtscts Oct 18 14:52:09 doch Oct 18 14:52:20 :( Oct 18 14:52:50 vciaglia: http://pastebin.ca/741199 if you want to do it manually Oct 18 14:53:17 vciaglia: What distro are you on? Can you ssh in? Do you have routing and dns setup? Oct 18 14:53:21 kousu nope.. an update does not change the gsm firmware. afaik teh currently shipped one cannot utilise 850 Oct 18 14:53:41 CM: i'm using Ubuntu. Yes, i can ssh into openmoko Oct 18 14:54:10 CM: trying to modify my /etc/network/interfaces.. Oct 18 14:55:10 roh: thanks.. That's weird that that poster was able to make calls at first but then it stopped working. I'll be patient, in that case. Oct 18 14:56:29 kousu i just guess he was in a 1900mhz linbk before Oct 18 14:56:57 vciaglia: That default gateway thing is also set in /etc/network/interfaces Oct 18 14:57:02 On the neo Oct 18 14:57:25 Don't know if that matters though.. Shouldn't Oct 18 14:57:39 CM: you mean the "gateway 10.10.10.21" ? Oct 18 14:58:02 to which mainstream distribution is openmoko most similiar? Oct 18 14:58:24 * ewon blinks Oct 18 14:58:43 Danker angstrom *duck* Oct 18 14:59:11 Danker its using ipkg, so its like debian in packaging, and /network/interfaces also looks like debian Oct 18 14:59:21 so it's debian :) Oct 18 14:59:23 Thanks Oct 18 14:59:36 so its like the little brother of debian in style, but totally indipendant Oct 18 15:00:15 roh: yes that makes sense. also I saw a neo working at the ontario linux conference on the weekend... which was in Toronto which is a 850/1900 area (whereas where I am now is just 850) Oct 18 15:00:51 *sigh* .. why does the us always fsck up international wireless fnord Oct 18 15:01:15 * ww points out that Toronto is *not* in the US Oct 18 15:01:25 could be so easy.. but no, they need custom hardware which only works there and not elsewhere Oct 18 15:01:27 (but it is much closer thereto than montreal) Oct 18 15:01:32 ww sorry, yes. Oct 18 15:01:39 ;) Oct 18 15:02:21 ww but due to the physical closeness they inherited some of the fsckups Oct 18 15:02:46 just see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_size Oct 18 15:02:49 *duck* Oct 18 15:03:24 heh. a friend was recently worried about sending in his grant application to the canada council from here... they require letter format... try finding that in berlin Oct 18 15:03:41 muahhaah Oct 18 15:03:58 ww lets guess.. thy do not take pdf on usbstick? Oct 18 15:04:08 dead trees only Oct 18 15:04:29 hrmm... and perhaps fax, now that i think of it... Oct 18 15:04:38 a.k.a. "remote printer" Oct 18 15:05:12 (see tpc.int for an interesting historical domain) Oct 18 15:05:21 stefan_schmidt: hello stefan are you there? Oct 18 15:05:38 q: TPC, why do you think you should have a .int? Oct 18 15:05:48 a: 'cause we're The Phone Company, damnit! Oct 18 15:16:54 Does anyone know what happened to the builds on buildhost? Oct 18 15:19:34 CM: still no networking :/ Oct 18 15:20:09 openmoko: 03thomas * r3222 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-talking.c): Oct 18 15:20:09 openmoko: * src/moko-talking.c: (moko_talking_init): Use stock items for Oct 18 15:20:09 openmoko: talking/incoming/outgoing page toolbars Oct 18 15:20:18 vciaglia: Hmm.. Sucks. Can you ping from the neo to 192.168.0.200 or .45 or what you had set it to? Oct 18 15:21:28 CM: yes, i can. That's odd :/ Oct 18 15:21:38 vciaglia: No, not really Oct 18 15:21:40 a noobish question: is there a way i could get some sort of gsm modem emulated on the host, the openmoko qemu is kinda borked right now.. Oct 18 15:21:41 nmap -sP 192.168.00/24 ;) Oct 18 15:21:57 err, forgot a dot... Oct 18 15:22:15 vciaglia: Just means you have the neo networking up correctly, but not the forwarding part on your comp or the dns is missing Oct 18 15:23:07 Sup3rkiddo jap. qemu-neo1973 has a emulated hayes modem with some added commands Oct 18 15:23:30 CM i think its because the ethernet has the same /24 as the usb eth Oct 18 15:23:30 vciaglia: I'm on gentoo using dnsmasq for the dns Oct 18 15:23:33 And iptables Oct 18 15:23:45 CMyou cannot route between that without pain Oct 18 15:23:51 roh: Ah... Good point Oct 18 15:24:00 roh, yeah but the problem is flash.sh is broken so i am not able to do anythin, do you know where i can get a sane one? Oct 18 15:24:04 * CM is a bit of a networking newbie Oct 18 15:24:33 CM: adding the line of the Wiki to my interfaces cause the network stop on my .45 Oct 18 15:25:10 ohhh...now it's working! Damn! Oct 18 15:27:30 CM: it was a nameserver problem Oct 18 15:28:57 roh, re 850, i had a phone once that i flashed, and gave it 850 support Oct 18 15:30:09 vciaglia: Good that you got it working :) Oct 18 15:30:18 CM: yep! Oct 18 15:32:01 Sup3rkiddo broken in which way? works here Oct 18 15:32:21 cb22 i doubt that it really used 850 Oct 18 15:32:40 roh, http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=937 Oct 18 15:32:52 i'm not sure about it, but there were confirmed reports of it working Oct 18 15:32:54 roh, please take a look at that Oct 18 15:32:57 moto e398, by the way Oct 18 15:33:26 * ScaredyCat hides in the bushes Oct 18 15:35:16 Sup3rkiddo hm.. interresting.. didnt hit that one yet Oct 18 15:35:40 but the last line looks strange... Oct 18 15:35:57 there should be more than setenv bootcmd ' Oct 18 15:36:13 roh, oh!, could you pastebin your working flash.sh, i want to take a diff, if it you havent checked out the latest svn Oct 18 15:37:09 Sup3rkiddo eh.. workinbg none? i use feisty and the one from the svn works fine here Oct 18 15:37:32 roh, oh screwed...on lenny Oct 18 15:38:19 i can just guess.. some escaping problem? which shell is beeing used? what changed from feisty to gutsy in the console/shell env? Oct 18 15:38:44 see line 103 in flash.sh Oct 18 15:38:49 setenv bootcmd 'setenv bootargs \${bootargs_base} \${mtdparts}; bootm $kernel_addr' Oct 18 15:40:24 Hy all, Oct 18 15:41:42 Sup3rkiddo: can you please check that your /bin/sh does not point to dash but to bash instead? Oct 18 15:42:08 Sup3rkiddo sorry.. i do not have a idea what could do that besides defective shells Oct 18 15:42:27 Henryk, yup its pointing to bash, Oct 18 15:42:31 .oO(but i will found out as soon as gutsy is done) Oct 18 15:42:43 does anyone have a clue why on the image i built earlier today, the neo boots up to the point where it displays a nice angstrom ascii art, then the label of my root fs (ie Openmoko P1-snapshot-2007-10-17 and then a login prompt Oct 18 15:42:46 roh, =(. thanks for your time Oct 18 15:42:48 last time i looked it was too stressfull compared to feisty Oct 18 15:43:12 umh...but "hwclock --set --date=9/22/96 16:45:05" doesn't work? Oct 18 15:43:20 fugazy: uh, no xserver? Oct 18 15:43:46 fugazy: how did you solve your problem with task-openmoko-ui depending on xserver-kdrive-common but not finding it? Oct 18 15:43:47 Henryk: exactly, no xserver Oct 18 15:44:48 fugazy: That's weird.. I'm running a build from 24h ago and it works fine Oct 18 15:45:00 it solved magically this morning (paris) on the next make update, and there is an entry in openembeded rss about that particular product Oct 18 15:45:11 * ScaredyCat appears Oct 18 15:45:12 heh.. my new gta01 is here.. finaly Oct 18 15:45:31 i wonder if fedex is more fun than ups or dhl Oct 18 15:47:34 roh: you mean gta02, right? Oct 18 15:47:51 * ScaredyCat hides in the bushes Oct 18 15:47:52 fugazy: yes, koen fixed that after i found it. Oct 18 15:47:54 mwester nope.. gta01 Oct 18 15:48:34 mwester i gave my gta01bv4 to michael shiloh when he visited me, since he didnt get one yet and is travelling a lot and needs one for showing around.. so i got a new one Oct 18 15:48:45 * ScaredyCat appears Oct 18 15:48:51 again? Oct 18 15:49:13 Ah - I thought you would all would have the early gta02 versions for evaluation or what-not by now. Oct 18 15:49:19 ScaredyCat can you please disable public away on your bouncer'ß Oct 18 15:49:27 why do i have a feeling ScaredyCat has a away message Oct 18 15:49:39 mwester i have but that does not help me reensemble problems on gta01 Oct 18 15:51:17 think it's done.. forgot about htat.. sorry.. just gona test Oct 18 15:52:14 gnarg, damn berlios Oct 18 15:52:28 better ? Oct 18 15:53:20 * ScaredyCat pokes roh Oct 18 15:53:38 i have an eliza bot that answers /msg's for me when I /away Oct 18 15:53:45 has produced some amusing results Oct 18 15:54:05 ewon: got logs to post? Oct 18 15:54:17 ScaredyCat hehe.. well.. these 'hides' and 'appears' is quite noisy Oct 18 15:54:23 sladen: nothing I can do publically, I might shame someone :) Oct 18 15:54:24 * mwester considers an eliza-like bot for openmoko -- one that can answer phone calls... Oct 18 15:54:45 especially great if you have lot of girlfriends Oct 18 15:54:49 someone know where are stored the rss address of "FeedReader" ? Oct 18 15:54:50 yes, but I just disconnected/reconnected again, did it still do it ? Oct 18 15:54:53 openmoko: 03thomas * r3223 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Oct 18 15:54:53 openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-hint-entry.h: Correct a macro typo Oct 18 15:54:53 openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-stock.c: Oct 18 15:54:53 openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-stock.h: Oct 18 15:54:53 openmoko: Add MOKO_STOCK_CALL_IGNORE Oct 18 15:55:20 it should be off now, but I can;t tell for sure at this end Oct 18 15:55:26 ScaredyCat: no, didn't do it Oct 18 15:55:31 ta Oct 18 15:55:45 /dircproxy reload does work then :) Oct 18 15:55:45 japp.. fine now Oct 18 15:55:54 openmoko: 03thomas * r3224 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer-textview.c): Oct 18 15:55:54 openmoko: * src/moko-dialer-textview.c: (moko_dialer_textview_set_color): Don't Oct 18 15:55:54 openmoko: try to format a blank string Oct 18 15:55:56 this is interesting, i did a gsmd -d -p /dev/ttyS0 and a plugin for broadcom gsm modem is getting loaded Oct 18 15:56:09 Sup3rkiddo: that's because it's the default Oct 18 15:56:23 CIA-23: we switched our commit bot to using /notice result seems to be much better looking Oct 18 15:56:30 thos, oh! Oct 18 15:57:18 Is there a e-mail client for OpenMoko? Oct 18 15:57:54 vciaglia not yet Oct 18 15:58:43 mutt ;) Oct 18 15:59:31 does someone knows if the 'erase nand' stuff is still necessary on u-boot delivered with GTA01BV4 Oct 18 15:59:32 does anybody have a trunk_svn.berlios.de_.openocd_206_.tar.gz for me? the berlios svn seems is not treating me nice currently Oct 18 15:59:55 fugazy its neccessary but please make sure you append the partition. Oct 18 16:00:08 fugazy else you would erase the uboot also and would need a debugboard Oct 18 16:00:32 i always use nand erase clean rootfs. last time i forgot the "rootfs" part it was so kind to ask if i really wanted to erase everything Oct 18 16:00:37 I have a debug board but havent tried it yet. Oct 18 16:00:52 Henryk mompls.. takes some time Oct 18 16:01:07 umts upload *coucgh* Oct 18 16:01:08 speaking of a debug board, is there anything you can do to a neo that one cannot fix? Oct 18 16:01:10 but ubbots is still the stock one Oct 18 16:01:20 wow.. that was fast Oct 18 16:01:24 besides striking it with a hammer Oct 18 16:01:45 Henryk yamato.hyte.de/tmp/ Oct 18 16:01:58 cb22: you can find someone who does have a debug board Oct 18 16:02:01 roh: kthx Oct 18 16:02:16 trunk_svn.berlios.de_.openocd_206_.tar.gz 100% 596KB 45.9KB/s 00:13 Oct 18 16:02:29 wtf is wrong.. umts upload seems faster than download Oct 18 16:02:37 *scratch* Oct 18 16:02:46 bwah Oct 18 16:02:51 those speeds are faster then my adsl :/ Oct 18 16:03:26 cb22 well. i cannot get dsl here.. i'm living in a opal-ghetto Oct 18 16:03:53 cb22: according to http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_e398-690.php that phone doesn't have gsm850. So yeah, it probably wasn't that.. Oct 18 16:04:13 cb22 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optische_Anschlussleitung Oct 18 16:04:40 means there is fibre into my cellar, but they cannot deliver ip or dsl, just isdn or pots Oct 18 16:04:47 ouch Oct 18 16:05:59 means they should install vdsl, but refuse :/ Oct 18 16:06:07 crappy telco Oct 18 16:06:44 flaushy well.. as long as vdsl only gives t-com ip i do not want it.. then rather cablemodel (which is also not avail here) Oct 18 16:07:02 flaushy but i soon want to move. so.. only a matter of time ;) Oct 18 16:07:08 hooray :) Oct 18 16:07:19 i hate the politics of german telecom Oct 18 16:07:27 mate of mine lived behind a mux Oct 18 16:07:28 i hate dynip Oct 18 16:07:38 u can tunnel Oct 18 16:07:48 *sigh* Oct 18 16:08:01 yepe, umts aint too great either :( Oct 18 16:09:07 flaushy well.. i now use a eplus flat i got borrowed by a friend with a novatel merlin U630 (that card rocks, much better than the option ones) Oct 18 16:09:28 ah okie Oct 18 16:09:52 need to find out which chipset they use yet Oct 18 16:09:55 mate used umts since it started, piece of shit, since opal areas are too heavily overbooked Oct 18 16:10:17 but she said it gotten better Oct 18 16:10:31 jap. i must confess its quite impressive performance.. only 160msec latency atm Oct 18 16:10:50 i was on GPRS for some time Oct 18 16:10:55 was a hell of a time :( Oct 18 16:12:10 flaushy which city are you in? Oct 18 16:12:41 i was living close to hannover, german post did the telco wiring throu a forest instead of next town :( Oct 18 16:12:47 then i was in lübeck Oct 18 16:12:51 now dresden Oct 18 16:13:27 u? Oct 18 16:13:36 berlin mitte Oct 18 16:13:41 uh great Oct 18 16:13:59 at least there are freifunk lans evolving Oct 18 16:14:25 well.. ive got the community around the corner. they meet on wednesdays in cbase Oct 18 16:14:33 german telco has no idea how much it helped such technologies as meshes and alternatives :) Oct 18 16:14:56 but my flat is too deep buried in houses so i do not get any link Oct 18 16:15:14 and mesh is most of the time even flakier than umts Oct 18 16:15:26 yeah Oct 18 16:15:37 but a huge deal of effort is put into it Oct 18 16:17:01 just a quick question, when will it be possible to buy end user device? Oct 18 16:17:05 with wlan and stuff? Oct 18 16:17:19 is there an ETA yet? Oct 18 16:17:52 flaushy hehe.. no detailes one.. to many uncertanties. the hw ill be available hopefully end of the year Oct 18 16:17:54 flaushy: We don't talk about that here. Check the topic. :-) Oct 18 16:17:57 flaushy: look at the topic :) Oct 18 16:18:23 thx Oct 18 16:18:35 flaushy how soon we can do 'stable' and basic featurecomplete sw is another question ;) Oct 18 16:18:40 If you bring up GTA02, then people start making lists of features, and the whole thing spirals out of control. Oct 18 16:18:45 just wondered Oct 18 16:18:48 yeah Oct 18 16:18:53 got an motorola a780 Oct 18 16:19:13 and need another gps device for some stuff at college Oct 18 16:19:17 and need wlan :/ Oct 18 16:19:30 so i just wondered Oct 18 16:23:09 anyhow, is there a team yet, that tries to get openmoko ready for blind people? Oct 18 16:23:23 No. Oct 18 16:23:39 okie Oct 18 16:23:54 flaushy how should that work with a touchscreen? Oct 18 16:24:00 voice Oct 18 16:24:03 over edges Oct 18 16:24:05 morse with the vibra? Oct 18 16:24:14 no, u have 4 corners u can use Oct 18 16:24:16 for instance Oct 18 16:24:35 usb host, bluetooth Oct 18 16:24:41 flaushy: you should probably talk to the GNOME Accessibility people Oct 18 16:24:42 software that is ready for screen readers Oct 18 16:24:50 two neo and accellerometer and you could do semaphore Oct 18 16:24:57 flaushy are there portable braille devices? Oct 18 16:24:57 flaushy: #orca perhaps Oct 18 16:25:07 there are roh Oct 18 16:25:14 we got a blind studying computer sciences Oct 18 16:25:20 flaushy: (on GIMPNet) Oct 18 16:25:36 thx rob :) Oct 18 16:25:59 * robtaylor is currently writing up why AT-SPI should move to using dbus rather than CORBA... Oct 18 16:26:09 flaushy well.. when the 'middleware' works it should be easy to build a 'ui' with in/output and menufoo suitable to use without vision i thikn Oct 18 16:30:20 openmoko: 03thomas * r3225 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/icons/openmoko-standard/22x22/stock/ (4 files): Oct 18 16:30:20 openmoko: * icons/openmoko-standard/22x22/stock/moko-contact-address.png Oct 18 16:30:20 openmoko: * icons/openmoko-standard/22x22/stock/moko-contact-birthday.png Oct 18 16:30:20 openmoko: * icons/openmoko-standard/22x22/stock/moko-contact-email.png Oct 18 16:30:20 openmoko: * icons/openmoko-standard/22x22/stock/moko-contact-phone.png Oct 18 16:30:24 openmoko: Fix image dimensions Oct 18 16:31:52 w00t Oct 18 16:43:23 hi there Oct 18 16:53:49 hi Oct 18 17:12:21 hello! Oct 18 17:12:37 I'm pleased to see http://www.openmoko.com/products-neo-base-00-stdkit.html Oct 18 17:13:02 a friend-of-friend is returning from the US to India on Nov 3rd; I'd like to get it shipped before that. Oct 18 17:13:07 .. to US addr. Oct 18 17:13:42 oh, GTA02 comes with WiFi??!? Oct 18 17:14:07 japp Oct 18 17:14:24 ok, I think I can wait. Oct 18 17:14:30 heh heh Oct 18 17:14:44 possible to bulk-order, in future, for we Indians? Oct 18 17:15:34 Is there a way to shut off the themeing-enging for testing purposes? i.e. getting plain widgets? Oct 18 17:15:56 engine even Oct 18 17:16:09 srid jap. gta02 will have that (bulk ordering) Oct 18 17:16:47 jap? Oct 18 17:16:51 srid: BTW I hear the main buzz at FOSS.in is OpenMoko phones Oct 18 17:16:52 yes Oct 18 17:16:58 XorA: ohhhh Oct 18 17:17:02 roh: what is jap? Oct 18 17:17:09 srid: jap == yes Oct 18 17:17:35 srid something between yes ja und yep ;) Oct 18 17:17:43 I have been doing some research for buying flash disk based mp3 player. maybe, I can settle with gta02. Oct 18 17:17:53 roh: :) Oct 18 17:18:44 * srid is feeling fleeting desires to hack on hardware again (long time since I did something of that - http://gnusim8085.sourceforge.net/ ) Oct 18 17:22:25 8085 ~_~ Oct 18 17:22:38 why, back in my day, [...] ! Oct 18 17:29:58 wow, kicking out the theming makes openmoko lightening fast!! Oct 18 17:30:16 gamin: Ah, cool Oct 18 17:30:31 * CM has just realized why his irssi is lagging so badly... Oct 18 17:30:55 I'm screened on the same net as ftp.ubuntu.org.. Oct 18 17:31:22 hrr Oct 18 17:31:43 just rename: /usr/share/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0DISABLED/gtkrc Oct 18 17:31:48 and restart the xserver Oct 18 17:32:45 dates turns into speeddating :P Oct 18 17:32:58 and then it goes default-gtk? Oct 18 17:33:30 zash: looks like Oct 18 17:34:06 and lots less wasted screen estate Oct 18 17:34:24 Hmm.. So theming is that slow? Wonder what can be done about that. Oct 18 17:34:48 CM: that's why 04 has gpu and faster cpu Oct 18 17:35:08 wasnt the theme made in some crappy way? Oct 18 17:35:12 gpu accel will probably be marginal for gtk Oct 18 17:35:12 pixmaps or something Oct 18 17:35:58 of course the current cpu's framebuffer is absolutely primitive and doesn't even support lots of stuff Oct 18 17:36:16 so the better cpu+gpu combo will likely improve things Oct 18 17:36:23 ahem Oct 18 17:36:34 isn't that the microsoft way Oct 18 17:36:37 why not dump the whole gtk-thing, and have a x-less phone? ;) Oct 18 17:36:48 more cpu capin' Oct 18 17:36:51 Any guess when will me GSM usable? Oct 18 17:36:55 she canny take any moore Oct 18 17:36:55 zash: how shall I remote X then :) Oct 18 17:37:06 gamin: ssh über alles Oct 18 17:37:36 just black terminal and a keyboard Oct 18 17:37:37 abraxa_: Better? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/a75eb7618d19bdd69ac683145e4b8d42.png Oct 18 17:37:56 depends on your definition of usable Oct 18 17:38:06 in a technical sense, yes, it works Oct 18 17:38:19 from a user perspective, it's not going to be ready for some period of time Oct 18 17:38:22 well, echoing AT commands to the GSM modem is probably more usable then GSMd now Oct 18 17:38:24 holy crap that's 1000 times faster Oct 18 17:38:31 ;] Oct 18 17:38:53 ScaredyCat: screenshot us exclamation-mark Oct 18 17:39:06 ScaredyCat: scap ftw! Oct 18 17:39:33 scap not included :( Oct 18 17:39:42 Not? Oct 18 17:39:47 not Oct 18 17:39:52 * ScaredyCat sobs Oct 18 17:40:02 Just hold in aux and get a screenshot Oct 18 17:40:05 will use old fashioned way Oct 18 17:40:28 dd if=/dev/fb bs=$((640*480*2)) of=screenshot.raw count=1 Oct 18 17:40:29 D:? Oct 18 17:40:29 uno omento purrrr faaa voor Oct 18 17:40:41 * ScaredyCat slaps anrp Oct 18 17:40:49 anrp: 640*480*16 Oct 18 17:40:57 not 16 bytes per pixel Oct 18 17:41:01 cat fbdev > somefile Oct 18 17:41:13 cat /dev/fb0 >myfile.raw Oct 18 17:41:16 hey and mediaplayer uses less than 100% CPU now! Oct 18 17:41:19 lol Oct 18 17:41:21 and alt-a hates me Oct 18 17:44:11 scap Oct 18 17:44:39 gpe-scap? Oct 18 17:46:22 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ Oct 18 17:47:01 hmmmmm. Is it possible to use pppd withoud gpsd? Oct 18 17:48:22 im planning to buy an "openmoko phone", a.k.a. neo1973. is the hardware stable? and is openmoko stable? and is the qtopia port stable? a lot of questions ;) Oct 18 17:48:36 we're not stable Oct 18 17:48:49 do you prefer openmoko or qtopia? Oct 18 17:48:59 the media player looks a little odd with no 'skin' Oct 18 17:49:03 which one isnt stable? Oct 18 17:49:06 all of them? Oct 18 17:49:17 neither of them are stable Oct 18 17:49:22 I prefer neither... I like the chance to pick which ever suits my mood Oct 18 17:49:25 olle_: everything is under development ;-) Oct 18 17:49:35 including the kitchen sink Oct 18 17:49:56 sure, debian testing is under development to Oct 18 17:49:57 although it is lot of fun ;] Oct 18 17:50:28 olle_: but debian is quite old and mature project Oct 18 17:50:30 olle_: debian unstable is more stable than most distros' stable branches Oct 18 17:51:09 i just mean that 'under development' doesnt mean unstable Oct 18 17:51:28 olle_: in this case it means Oct 18 17:51:50 is it usable? can you use it as your primary mobile phone? Oct 18 17:51:58 lol ^-^ Oct 18 17:52:19 it surely won't work out of the box ;-) Oct 18 17:52:26 very funny... Oct 18 17:52:31 it's true! Oct 18 17:52:48 it won't even power on until you flash it Oct 18 17:52:48 ok. Oct 18 17:53:26 too bad, i hoped i could use this thing by christmas but i guess i have to wait. Oct 18 17:54:35 olle_: The battery life isn't good either Oct 18 17:54:49 No real powermanagement yet, but it's getting better Oct 18 17:54:55 by chrismas it may be quite usable - i guess Oct 18 17:55:24 gpe-sketchbook is a nice app Oct 18 17:56:28 remember to send me an email as soon as anything happens! o:) Oct 18 17:56:42 is there some general mailing list Oct 18 17:56:44 ? Oct 18 17:56:52 there is power management CM ... Oct 18 17:56:57 take the battery out Oct 18 17:57:29 haha Oct 18 18:06:57 CM: Yup, much better ;) Oct 18 18:09:40 what needs to be changed to connect to the xserver on the neo? Oct 18 18:09:58 I get "Xlib: No protocol specified" when trying to connect... Oct 18 18:10:54 gamin tcp is disabled per defaukt Oct 18 18:11:09 is that compile time only? Oct 18 18:11:13 you have to restart it with the right option Oct 18 18:11:43 man xinit? Oct 18 18:11:48 man X Oct 18 18:11:49 hi, did anyone have problems with compiling gcc-cross-4.1.2-r9? Oct 18 18:13:06 I've some error like: In file included from /home/openmoko/om/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/gcc-cross-4.1.2-r9/gcc-4.1.2/libiberty/regex.c:51: Oct 18 18:13:07 /home/openmoko/om/build/tmp/cross/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/include/sys/types.h:100: error: two or more data types in declaration specifiers Oct 18 18:13:07 In file included from /home/openmoko/om/build/tmp/cross/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/include/sys/types.h:223, Oct 18 18:13:07 from /home/openmoko/om/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/gcc-cross-4.1.2-r9/gcc-4.1.2/libiberty/regex.c:51: Oct 18 18:13:09 /home/openmoko/om/build/tmp/cross/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/include/sys/sysmacros.h:31: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'unsigned' Oct 18 18:13:40 hmm, man X says it is -nolisten tcp, but that is nowhere to be found Oct 18 18:13:44 Orzech I have never seen such an error with gcc Oct 18 18:14:03 i have, but compiling linux stuff on freebsd Oct 18 18:14:05 gamin -nolisten tcp is for disabling it Oct 18 18:14:27 yep, but that is nowhere under /etc or /etc/X11 Oct 18 18:14:37 I grepped Oct 18 18:14:43 so, nobody knows how to fix it? :) Oct 18 18:14:57 and there is no -listen tcp :( Oct 18 18:15:01 to enable Oct 18 18:15:06 gamin hm right Oct 18 18:15:27 gmain what sys netstat or lsof? Oct 18 18:15:37 is the xserver listening on the ports? Oct 18 18:17:45 this problem is on fresh sources :/ Oct 18 18:20:41 Orzech_: Please use a pastebin next time ;) Oct 18 18:21:06 no problem, I can use it now ;) Oct 18 18:22:23 zash: Not using X would limit the usability of the Neo too much as you'd basically be stuck with one widget library - meaning that you can't run apps that don't use it Oct 18 18:22:43 That in turn goes against OpenMoko's vision of "giving user the choice" Oct 18 18:22:59 woglinde: nothing on 6000 but 6010-6015 Oct 18 18:23:01 But of course, it would be faster indeed ;) Oct 18 18:23:12 but it would be cool to have no x Oct 18 18:23:29 you can't play freeciv without X Oct 18 18:23:34 for the extra überleet Oct 18 18:23:44 abraxa_: use the framebuffer. Job done. Oct 18 18:23:48 zash install qtopia Oct 18 18:24:00 woglinde: note that i dont have a neo Oct 18 18:24:26 zash than I dont get your problem Oct 18 18:24:34 dial 0190666666 Oct 18 18:24:53 and then output like wget :D Oct 18 18:25:02 hihi Oct 18 18:25:13 or |/-\| Oct 18 18:25:53 are there any rootfs or similar for scratchbox or comparable? Oct 18 18:26:35 playya what exactly you mean? Oct 18 18:27:08 abraxa_, error log is under http://www.pastebin.ca/741441 :) Oct 18 18:27:11 like n800 rootf images for scratchbox Oct 18 18:27:27 if you want to dev without the device Oct 18 18:28:01 playya did you read the wiki? Oct 18 18:28:20 searched sth Oct 18 18:28:27 but anyway the meta-toolchain is underconstruction Oct 18 18:28:32 ok Oct 18 18:28:33 in openembedded Oct 18 18:28:47 i remember sth Oct 18 18:29:40 * zash wants filterchain for sms. like for MTAs Oct 18 18:56:35 woglinde: started X per hand and can connect now. Thus x2x is usable now and I can use the keyboard and mouse from the desktop ... Oct 18 18:58:44 Wow. getting rid of the theme surely does make the device snappy! Oct 18 18:59:03 Time for an "Openmoko-lite" theme for the device, IMO. Oct 18 18:59:15 :) Oct 18 18:59:16 gamin hehe Oct 18 18:59:30 seems I started something ;) Oct 18 19:18:09 mwester: According to Thomas it's the pixmap engine's fault Oct 18 19:18:20 (which I really can believe, seeing how buggy it is) Oct 18 19:18:43 I don't even know what a pixmap engine does ;) Perhaps it needs an oil change? ;D Oct 18 19:18:48 mwester: http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2007/09/26/partial-tv-fame/ Oct 18 19:19:37 And yes, that engine isn't active in current images Oct 18 19:20:22 Color me stupid. But why in the name of all that is good, is anyone trying to compute images on-the-fly??!! I hope I'm reading that wrong. Oct 18 19:20:55 The device has one display, of known size -- why not pre-scale all the images before install? Oct 18 19:21:36 mwester: I think you are talking right.... Oct 18 19:21:39 Let an X86 box with an FPU make the pictures pretty, and then all that the device does is blit the images to the frame buffer... worked pretty well for the old Sun systems. Oct 18 19:21:42 Because it's GTK. GTK scales the widgets dynamically (which is just as unnecessary on the Neo) and along with the widgets it scales the images and backgrounds Oct 18 19:21:53 yay sw scaling Oct 18 19:22:05 Is GTK sponsored by the silicon vendors, perhaps? ;) Oct 18 19:22:20 ooh, a conspiracy! Oct 18 19:22:25 I dunno... I think GTK is rather braindead. (my personal opinion) Oct 18 19:22:26 Intel Salesrep: "But of course you need an FPU in your phone, Mr Consumer!" Oct 18 19:24:00 Well, I've learned something new. I must admit that I never even imagined that anyone would try to dynamically scale and dither images on-the-fly with standard X. Oct 18 19:24:49 Don't look at me :) Oct 18 19:24:49 Shows how long ago it was that I last worked with X, I guess. At the time we still used X to "punch" a hole through to the raw graphics device beneath if you wanted to do anything more than simple bitmaps... Oct 18 19:25:06 abraxa_: but I keep hoping you have a solution :D Oct 18 19:43:43 how does moko look without a theme? Oct 18 19:43:57 krLun: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ Oct 18 19:44:21 krlun start an X server without an windowmanger Oct 18 19:44:37 could someone help with registering my sim to fido network Oct 18 19:44:52 thanks btw, to CM, for the upgrade to the newer UI Oct 18 19:45:52 afoo: No thanks to me Oct 18 19:46:13 afoo: I'm just testing things and posting the occational screenshot :) Oct 18 19:46:27 yeah, but the link to those images definitely helped Oct 18 19:46:40 Ahh.. Sure. Glad it worked :) Oct 18 19:46:41 I was using 2007.1 before Oct 18 19:47:03 * CM is the #openmoko information proxy Oct 18 19:47:08 ;) Oct 18 19:48:55 not sure how to start using ATDT, etc Oct 18 19:48:55 what is this i read on openmoko planet today that there is some sort of internal disagreement in the core team Oct 18 19:49:09 to set it up and register my sim Oct 18 19:49:16 krLun: It has been almost all the time.. Oct 18 19:49:23 whats about it about, and how does it affect the neo release? Oct 18 19:49:24 krLun, really, what kind of internal disagreement? Oct 18 19:49:39 afoo: http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2007/10/17/on-to-taipei/ Oct 18 19:49:58 krLun: The devs have been under a lot of pressure all the time, and a lot of things have given them unnecessary problems Oct 18 19:50:07 * CM isn't too worried Oct 18 19:50:24 too worried? Oct 18 19:50:33 is there a possibility that the entire project will be cancelled? Oct 18 19:50:39 No Oct 18 19:50:45 Can't imagine that Oct 18 19:50:53 just a delay for neo release? Oct 18 19:50:58 Worst thing I guess is some kind of delay of the software Oct 18 19:51:23 hello Oct 18 19:51:26 hi Oct 18 19:52:01 krLun: I think there's been a lot of discussions about components for the gta02 too, especially gps and such Oct 18 19:52:02 I have a little problem while building openmoko for x86 with the MokoMakefile Oct 18 19:52:18 Here is the error-log: http://pastebin.com/d25ac1055 Oct 18 19:53:15 i thought the decision to go with ublox was fine with most ppl? Oct 18 19:53:24 seems like a win-win decision for everyone Oct 18 19:53:40 decent chipset, open datasheets, high availablity Oct 18 19:53:42 krLun: I have no idea, but I guess it's all settled and good by now. Hope so at least :) Oct 18 19:53:58 linux-bastler: Hmm.. You can try rebuilding some things Oct 18 19:55:26 linux-bastler: Try being in your moko dir, do: cd build;source ../setup-env;bitbake -c rebuild qmake2-native icu; bitbake -c rebuild webkit-gtk Oct 18 19:55:33 CM: How? Oct 18 19:56:22 There's something weird with qmake2 and webkit-gtk Oct 18 19:56:35 CM: OK, I try this Oct 18 20:18:36 CM: It works, thx Oct 18 20:19:37 linux-bastler: Good to hear :) Oct 18 20:23:46 anyone knows what happaned to ipkg, half of repositories are missing? Oct 18 20:32:08 xx14: buildhost is down, yes, however ScaredyCat's and rwhitby's repos are available Oct 18 20:32:36 abraxa_: how do i configure ipkg to use those? Oct 18 20:34:03 xx14: Grab http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/scaredycat.conf and put it in /etc/ipkg/ Oct 18 20:34:29 You don't need to use both, either one is fine Oct 18 20:37:37 abraxa_: is that an identical mirror? Oct 18 20:37:53 xx14: Yes Oct 18 20:38:29 i guess it means there were alot of changes in just few days ;) Oct 18 20:38:56 xx14: ScaredyCat's however also offers non-standard packages like scummvm, too Oct 18 20:39:05 So that's why I prefer it Oct 18 20:41:18 heh, got some games running on it? Oct 18 20:42:05 xx14: http://www2.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~ploetz/DSC01451.JPG Oct 18 20:42:57 heheh sweet ;) Oct 18 20:44:17 openmoko powered devices can use Angstrom feeds basically - atleast it should work Oct 18 20:44:58 wonder if it could be convinced to run second reality Oct 18 20:45:56 Henryk: The border around the display is straight... is that your Neo? If so, what h/w revision? Oct 18 20:46:57 abraxa_: border? Technically the neo belongs to the university, but i carry it with me most of the time. that's a gta01bv4 Oct 18 20:49:35 What the... I'm looking for Neo pictures and find this: http://wapain.net/my/uploads/Subat07/openmoko-neo1973-car-kit.jpg Oct 18 20:50:07 That was an initial pic Oct 18 20:50:12 I don't think it's available Oct 18 20:50:26 Hmm, I see Oct 18 20:50:33 That explains why I never saw it before then :) Oct 18 20:51:14 Hmmm.... what's the default root password? Oct 18 20:51:21 none Oct 18 20:51:30 No password, just hit enter Oct 18 20:51:44 ssh seems not even to transmit it. Oct 18 20:52:11 Pretty good security, huh? Hackers will try for HOURS, trying to break in with all sorts of different passwords... :P Oct 18 20:52:30 Actually I think it also accepts any password Oct 18 20:52:41 It does. I was being facetious. :) Oct 18 20:53:17 Henryk: does the game come with scummvm, too? Oct 18 20:53:28 * mwester hasn't seen that one. Oct 18 20:53:33 Henryk: http://mobilegazette.com/handsets/other/openmoko-neo1973/openmoko-neo1973-black.jpg - you can see that the top cover is beveled around the display; yours is not Oct 18 20:53:44 mwester: no. you need to find a copy of the games yourself Oct 18 20:54:09 I kinda figured :D Oct 18 20:54:21 mwester: Try http://www.the-underdogs.info Oct 18 20:54:35 It has scummvm games, too Oct 18 20:54:36 Needs buttons for a lot of games, doesn't it? Oct 18 20:54:55 * mwester goes to see if anyone has invented a bluetooth game controller... Oct 18 20:55:49 abraxa_: hmm, I can't see any difference between the images Oct 18 20:56:46 abraxa_: I'm not sure there is a difference either, even if I get what you mean Oct 18 20:56:49 mwester: I've successfully used (though in a different context) a Sone Ericsson W800i as a bluetooth HID device with the neo. the buttons that the W880i emulates are freely programmable ... ;-) Oct 18 20:56:58 The gradient is quite steep Oct 18 20:58:08 mwester: most games will only use the mouse. there is a special start script for the neo which rotates the screen and remaps the aux key to pop up the scummvm menu (e.g. save/restore game progress, exit, ...) but unfortunately it still also pops up the today application Oct 18 20:58:59 due to this playing is not as joyful as it could be (e.g. without an ESC key and without the possibility to load a previous game you can't skip the intro in monkey island) Oct 18 20:59:22 plus: if you hit the edges of the screen with the stylus the screen will decalibrate Oct 18 20:59:55 ipkg barfs : But that file is already provided by package libmokojournal2 ... Oct 18 20:59:56 I'm installing scummvm now - this is just too interesting to pass up. Thanks for the hints -- the edge-of-the-screen one is interesting, I presume thats a "mis-feature" Oct 18 21:00:15 Henryk: http://abraxa.dyndns.org:81/random/border.png should make it more clear Oct 18 21:00:41 Henryk: Basically, the case you have makes it harder to hit the touchscreen at the edges Oct 18 21:01:00 mwester: Just o you know, Beneath a Steel Sky doesn't work because it requires right-clicking Oct 18 21:01:10 BASS<3 Oct 18 21:01:23 Fatal: :) Oct 18 21:01:49 CM: I was thinking of patching scummvm to make it fully usable on the Neo - e.g. substituting a right-click with a double-click Oct 18 21:01:50 Beneath a Steel Sky is a butt? Oct 18 21:02:01 abraxa_: ah, no. yours is exactly the same as mine, but you can't see the bevel due to the way the photo is taken and the lighting Oct 18 21:02:05 mwester: :P Oct 18 21:02:15 ~fish mwester Oct 18 21:02:16 * apt slaps mwester around with a large trout Oct 18 21:02:31 Henryk: Oh, really? Hmm... okay then. I was really thrown off because I looked at all four edges and it looked different to me :) Oct 18 21:02:34 But I'm glad then Oct 18 21:02:59 you thought they were lying about there being only one rev of plastics? :-) Oct 18 21:03:23 seeing such things on a black case is hard. i just had the neo in my hand and couldn't see the bevel until i got another lamp Oct 18 21:03:24 I never heard such a statement ;) Oct 18 21:06:29 abraxa_: how about not using a double click but if you keep pressing for some time it simulates a right click? Oct 18 21:07:22 Jiten: I'm not sure, it was just a thought. If some game requires right-click+drag+release then this wouldn't be possible Oct 18 21:08:04 And I wonder if MAME will run on the Neo... Oct 18 21:08:29 abraxa why not? Oct 18 21:09:11 woglinde: Because I never used MAME before so I don't know if it runs on ARM or not and how it'll perform on a 640x480 screen :) Oct 18 21:09:41 http://wiki.gp2x.org/wiki/MAME_GP2X Oct 18 21:10:08 GP2X is ARM? Oct 18 21:10:10 problem is how to control it with touchscreen Oct 18 21:10:14 abraxa yes Oct 18 21:10:18 Nice :) Oct 18 21:10:22 didnt you know? Oct 18 21:10:49 No, I quite frankly don't care about the GP2X - I'm not a gamer really :) Oct 18 21:10:49 abraxa_: there is a port of XMAME on n800 Oct 18 21:11:44 However lots of people will buy/use BT keyboards with the Neo so that could be quite nice, combined with a Neo stand Oct 18 21:12:18 abraxa yes you are right Oct 18 21:58:30 abraxa_, like me :) Oct 18 22:31:22 * CM isn't really a gamer either. No time.. Oct 18 22:34:10 Wow, that's one late comment ;) Oct 18 22:38:38 He was busy playing a game, I think. Oct 18 22:41:29 I wouldn't doubt it. Oct 18 22:50:46 hehe Oct 18 22:51:03 hey, i was only an hour late or so :) Oct 18 22:52:49 Writchie, ping Oct 18 23:49:31 heyho Oct 18 23:50:25 hi Oct 18 23:50:54 I'm still having weird problems with my neo. Should I reflash the u-boot, kernel and rootfs with the current stuff? Oct 18 23:54:53 don't touch uboot if you do not have a debug board. It usually isn't worth the risk Oct 19 00:01:41 CoreDump: I did flash the u-boot about a week ago to get rid of the numerous annoyances (nand erase and bad terminal) Oct 19 00:02:04 Now, I can't boot without choosing "Boot" from the u-boot menu. Oct 19 00:02:29 When I do boot, the gsmd NEVER works (probably not u-boot), and the panel crashes all the time. Oct 19 00:02:43 The device is totally unusable with openmoko. Oct 19 00:02:59 no problems at all with qtopia. Oct 19 00:03:06 as a phone it is, yes :\ Oct 19 00:03:27 you might wanna try the qtopia image Oct 19 00:04:14 I used my neo as a pda-device for about a month with few problems. The phone even worked OK as long as I didn't leave the cell area. Oct 19 00:04:38 qtopia doesn't run the apps I want to run (web browser, my own apps, etc.) Oct 19 00:05:14 then you are - for now - out if luck Oct 19 00:05:15 Without 850, I can't really use it as a phone around here, so I want to use it as a pda device until the firmware's fixed. Oct 19 00:05:54 Yup. However, I'm tempted by all the "I made a call" reports. That worked for me for weeks and weeks. Now gsmd won't even start. Oct 19 00:06:05 heh Oct 19 00:06:28 I only managed to make a call w/ the qtopia image Oct 19 00:07:10 gotta go, good luck Oct 19 00:07:39 Thanks. Ciao. Oct 19 00:09:03 gsmd and panel-applets are totally unreliable, yes. about 33% success change, though apparently it likes to have series of lots of successes or failures in a row each time. probably something to do with the proper temperature, air pressure or planet constellations Oct 19 00:14:51 Henryk: Glad to hear I'm not just crazy. Oct 19 00:15:15 I notice my bootenv mtdparts differs from the one on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#Environment Oct 19 00:15:23 That could be a problem, no? Oct 19 00:15:42 that's to be expected. the mtdparts are device specific Oct 19 00:16:14 sagacis: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NAND_bad_blocks Oct 19 00:18:34 OK, so I won't touch those. How about the lpj kernel argument? Oct 19 00:26:14 Ok, it looks like I fixed my boot problem by redoing my bootargs_base. Must have fubar'd that earlier. Oct 19 00:27:05 Hey, I have full signal strength! Perhaps I should insert my sim card. :O Oct 19 00:28:24 sagacis_: how do you get signal strength without registering? Oct 19 00:28:45 Don't know, but that's what the panel applet is showing. Oct 19 00:29:14 i was never able to get any signal strenth or network info unless registered. Oct 19 00:29:32 although it might work where emergency only calls work Oct 19 00:29:58 I should only be seeing T? in the icon, I would think Oct 19 00:30:50 "Netreg registration denied/Signal quality -55dBm/Searching for network" Oct 19 00:30:52 in a loop Oct 19 00:31:06 So my gsmd finally works and my sim card's in the other phone. Oct 19 00:31:33 sagacis_: hmmm you are getting this with no sim card in the phone? Oct 19 00:32:06 what network could it possibly be trying to register to with no sim card Oct 19 00:32:11 Yup. Back cover's off. I can clearly see the microsd card. Oct 19 00:32:48 "No current operator" Oct 19 00:33:21 hmmm: i could never get the modem to do anything real without a sim card in it. Oct 19 00:34:07 last time i checked it would pretend to be registered. i did not try to do an emergency call, obviously Oct 19 00:34:08 maybe i'll try again. I expected it to work emergency only or have some network info even with no sim card. Oct 19 00:34:36 Henryk: at the app level or gsmd level Oct 19 00:34:37 (it would even show registered when entering a wrong pin ... Oct 19 00:34:51 Writchie: panel applet and libnotify Oct 19 00:35:13 I was looking at libgsmd-tool output Oct 19 00:35:52 Darn, "this client has just vanished" Oct 19 00:37:04 all right. Gotta go. Fixing my boot seems to have fixed a number of other problems. I'll see how well it works tomorrow by using it all day. If only the battery lasted more than a few hours. Oct 19 00:37:12 or I had a way to charge it at work. Oct 19 00:37:30 panel crashed Oct 19 00:38:09 i tried to debug that crashing but it seems to be really nasty. no useable backtrace. something overwrting the stack or something Oct 19 01:50:56 I restarted X and got two libmokogmsd restart comments. Only one process at the end **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 19 02:59:58 2007