**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 20 02:59:56 2007 Oct 20 04:34:38 hmm... quiet today Oct 20 04:45:47 gta02 fthagn! Oct 20 04:48:42 pardon? Oct 20 04:51:55 i think he must have sneezed Oct 20 05:23:05 ljp I was also thinking things have been quiet Oct 20 06:13:00 * * OM Bug 950 has been created by mail(AT)mmontour.net Oct 20 06:13:01 * * Xfbdev / tslib segfault in ts_close() Oct 20 06:13:02 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=950 Oct 20 06:59:14 anyone having problems with debian + flash.sh, i badly need to test a piece of code Oct 20 07:07:37 good morning Oct 20 08:43:20 hm, have you guys seen http://www.compulab.co.il/x270em/html/x270-em-datasheet.htm ? Oct 20 08:48:25 viq: put that on the wiki please Oct 20 08:49:12 eh, don't have an account yet Oct 20 08:49:58 has a buil-in graphics chip, seems like a waste to have two, are the devices details open? Oct 20 08:51:14 Implements 802.11b wireless connectivity standard. Oct 20 08:51:15 lame Oct 20 08:51:20 I don't know yet, I saw some "developer resources", let me look there Oct 20 08:51:35 802.11b doesn't even have decent encryption support Oct 20 08:51:37 http://www.compulab.co.il/x270em/html/x270-em-developer.py Oct 20 08:58:07 I need to run, so I'll leave you guys with the subject ;) Oct 20 08:58:33 bye :) Oct 20 09:14:18 doc|home: ssh tunnels :D Oct 20 09:14:38 sure, because that's convenient :) Oct 20 09:14:52 it would be if you did it automagically Oct 20 09:14:55 use keys etc Oct 20 09:15:02 I plan on setting up a vpn anyway, but still, it's a bit old nowadays Oct 20 09:15:22 i use tunnels all the time :) Oct 20 09:15:30 I used to too, but still, lame :) Oct 20 09:16:11 why lame? how do you know you're going to be able to use a vpn from any location? Oct 20 09:16:41 no, I meant the lack of 802.11g Oct 20 09:16:54 it's slower *and* less secure Oct 20 09:17:35 well, yes that's true... but it's probably quite old hardware Oct 20 09:17:44 it's like me offering you a pentium II when there are nice shiny new core 2 duos or whatever Oct 20 09:17:48 :) Oct 20 09:18:08 I suspect it's been available for some time, and engadget just spotted it Oct 20 09:18:14 yeah, probably Oct 20 09:18:25 the $122 doesn't even include the screen Oct 20 09:19:17 no, very basic for 122 - I suspect it'd be cheaper to buy something and put linux on it :) Oct 20 09:19:35 let's face it, it'd be an ugly mofo too.. Oct 20 09:19:38 yup Oct 20 09:19:48 big square geek case.. Oct 20 09:19:50 it's much bigger than the neo's board Oct 20 09:20:08 but hey, I think the neo's kind of ugly too :) Oct 20 09:20:37 I think the scren is too small.. dimensions not resolution Oct 20 09:20:41 screen Oct 20 09:21:06 anyho... must dash.. off to Rotterdam in a bit Oct 20 09:21:23 bye Oct 20 09:27:59 doc|home: what's b/g to do with security? the enhanced security is in i, independent of a/b/g Oct 20 09:28:37 Henryk: 802.11b only supports wep Oct 20 09:28:54 to the best of my knowledge Oct 20 09:29:07 [Citation Needed] Oct 20 09:29:18 this isn't wikipedia :) Oct 20 09:29:58 a, b and g are for the modulation, WEP and WPA are (as far as I can see) without a letter, and i is WPA2 Oct 20 09:30:21 does WPA work under 802.11b? Oct 20 09:30:26 yes Oct 20 09:30:28 I've been told it doesn't Oct 20 09:30:34 doc|home: it does Oct 20 09:30:45 doc|home: hit whoever spreads false info Oct 20 09:31:06 * doc|home goes looking for that person :) Oct 20 09:31:27 on Windoze a lot of manufacturers refused to upgrade drivers to work with WPA to make you buy new cards, this is how such rumours started Oct 20 09:32:05 hmmm, he just said now that this specific device (which has 802.11b only) doesn't (nintendo ds) Oct 20 09:32:19 yeah, ds is a pain in the ass for wireless Oct 20 09:32:25 ~lart nintendo Oct 20 09:32:26 * apt steals nintendo's mojo Oct 20 09:32:28 heh Oct 20 09:32:45 still though, 11mb vs 54mb :/ Oct 20 09:32:47 its the only device in my house that doesnt do WPA, and the only reason I can drop WEP Oct 20 09:32:57 cant Oct 20 09:33:01 * doc|home nods Oct 20 09:33:28 I wanted one with opera, but too much money for something I won't really use if the neo ever gets released and I have a better wireless device Oct 20 09:33:45 the nokia n810 looks nice but it's just for web access which is a bit pointless Oct 20 09:33:51 can get a laptop for less Oct 20 09:35:56 cant put a laptop in your pocket Oct 20 09:36:25 can't put a neo in my pocket either :) Oct 20 09:36:33 ljp: depends if you are Hagrid Oct 20 09:38:04 I'm considering an eee pc, then I remember the screen is a bit sucky, even for its size Oct 20 09:45:03 * doc|home zZzZZ Oct 20 09:54:44 moin da draussen Oct 20 09:58:13 ljp, depends, you can get big pockets or small laptops :) Oct 20 10:02:09 Soo, a recent image set with semi-working calls, is there such a thing? Time to switch back to OM from qtopia for my presentations Oct 20 10:05:47 mjr: a couple of days ago calls were fully working Oct 20 10:06:19 mjr: I dont have the image though as I had to bump my kernel rev, but I suspect what is in OE can probably still work Oct 20 10:09:05 * ljp wonders why anyone would want to switch :) Oct 20 10:09:45 it's nice to have openmoko in an openmoko presentation Oct 20 10:11:13 (also I was gonna do that anyway, just wanted to try the other thing out too) Oct 20 10:11:33 openmoko the gui... or openmoko the distribution? Oct 20 10:34:09 XorA|gone, anyway, a prebuilt would've been nice, but I suppose I'll put mokomakefile to work and try out whatever's getting spit out :] Oct 20 10:36:40 buildhost's latest seems to be from september :S Oct 20 10:39:11 qua Oct 20 10:39:17 usp Oct 20 10:39:33 guaqua: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/ Oct 20 10:39:53 lastest is from yesterday Oct 20 10:40:55 ummh Oct 20 10:40:59 okay Oct 20 10:53:06 madplay starts only via ssh - on the neo I always get /dev/dsp: Device or Resource busy - how comes that? Oct 20 10:53:37 or why does the terminal occupy the dev/dsp? Oct 20 10:55:41 gamin: OM makes use of PulseAudio whick is why you can't access the audio device through ALSA/OSS directly Oct 20 10:56:08 but why then can I start madplay when connected via ssh? Oct 20 10:56:48 Did you reboot inbetween? Oct 20 10:56:52 no Oct 20 10:57:01 Hmm, that's odd then Oct 20 10:58:18 I have wondered if the click sound is the culprit, but starting it with sleep 2 && madplay xyz.mp3 doesn't change anything Oct 20 10:58:48 ssh in and fuser /dev/dsp? Oct 20 10:59:14 returns nothing Oct 20 10:59:15 And does it work with a terminal session open on the phone, but ssh'd in Oct 20 10:59:25 yes Oct 20 10:59:42 nohup madplay? Oct 20 10:59:54 * SpeedEvil pokes around in the dark. Oct 20 10:59:56 gamin: The click actually is a good hint. Try clicking the touchscreen and starting madplay right after over SSH Oct 20 11:03:40 wow, the click sound keeps /dev/dsp open for 25seconds! Oct 20 11:04:00 so sleep 30 && madplay x.mp3 works! Oct 20 11:04:07 Maybe a little excessive. Oct 20 11:04:12 Indeed Oct 20 11:04:20 a little :) Oct 20 11:05:56 should I file a bug and if so against which component? Oct 20 11:06:12 Though I do wonder... /dev/dsp isn't needed for ALSA, right? If so then it should be possible for PulseAudio to keep /dev/dsp open for other programs while utilizing ALSA itself Oct 20 11:06:29 Unless it's ALSA that provides the OSS compatibility... Oct 20 11:06:33 isnt there something like pulsedsp Oct 20 11:06:48 which would make any program use pulse? Oct 20 11:07:58 http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=916 (someone wrote about it already) Oct 20 11:12:13 FeedRss doesn't allow me to add new feed. You? Oct 20 11:13:50 wow, xkbd is such a relief for the eyes ;) Oct 20 11:37:50 hmm nice vid of QTopia on the OM Oct 20 11:37:54 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4wSJ7Eb Oct 20 11:50:16 SpeedEvil: Are you wiki admin now btw? Oct 20 12:00:13 is there another rss reader for openmoko? Oct 20 12:01:54 vciaglia: Unfortunately not - and yeah, the feeds are hardcoded... hm Oct 20 12:02:08 http://svnweb.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-feedreader2/src/feed-configuration.c?view=markup Oct 20 12:02:26 If you build your own images you can customize it Oct 20 12:02:53 how can i do it? Oct 20 12:03:15 Did you flash your own image with MokoMakefile? Oct 20 12:03:34 abraxa_: no... Oct 20 12:04:01 I can do it for you if you want me to and send you the binary Oct 20 12:04:23 nice :) Oct 20 12:04:31 Which feeds do you want? Oct 20 12:05:04 heh... i have a lot of feeds...but could me more useful if you can teach me the procedure Oct 20 12:05:36 Okay - it's a little quick'n'dirty-ish but at least it works ;) Oct 20 12:05:50 Do you have MokoMakefile set up? Oct 20 12:05:54 no.. Oct 20 12:06:39 the feeder reads only atom feeds? Oct 20 12:07:00 Hmm... that means it'll take you quite a while to build all feedreader depencies, I'm afraid (toolchain+X+webkit+...) Oct 20 12:07:57 abraxa_: heh.. i remember that sometimes ago the feeder did its works. And now? Oct 20 12:08:22 abraxa_: maybe 1 or 2 months ago. Oct 20 12:09:18 vciaglia: The feedreader uses libmrss so anything mRss can read it can read, too: http://www5.autistici.org/bakunin/libmrss/doc/ Oct 20 12:09:36 abraxa_: maybe you should create a configuration file to manually edit it and add new feeds Oct 20 12:09:44 vciaglia: If you have some patience and disk space (>10G) then you can use MokoMakefile - are you up for it? Oct 20 12:10:00 vciaglia: GConf will be used for it, yeah, just zecke didn't find the time yet it seems Oct 20 12:10:43 ok abraxa_ but i don't want to bore you. If the problem will be fixed shortly, i'll wait :) Oct 20 12:11:25 Nah, not boring me heh Oct 20 12:11:49 First you need to set up MokoMakefile: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile Oct 20 12:12:22 abraxa_: ok Oct 20 12:17:00 abraxa_: damn...the ubuntu's server are really slow from days. Take a cup of coffee :) Oct 20 12:17:19 hehe Oct 20 12:17:34 aloril: ping Oct 20 12:18:58 abraxa_: really too slow... can i send you the list of feeds? Oct 20 12:19:11 Of course, my offer still stands ;) Oct 20 12:19:36 abraxa_: wait...the server wake up :) Oct 20 12:20:39 I'd recommend I build a custom one for you that you can use while building with MokoMakefile - it'll take 8+ hours Oct 20 12:21:05 abraxa_: ok, i'm building the file :P Oct 20 12:21:14 oki Oct 20 12:21:25 abraxa_: but tomorrow i'll try Oct 20 12:48:30 is there any planning about a "tap and hold" feature? Oct 20 12:48:50 or is that regarded as useless? Oct 20 12:50:10 "tap and hold"? Oct 20 12:51:30 i guess the qtopia has it and well windows mobile had it last time i tried (years ago) - it is kind of right click, when tapping and holding the stylo Oct 20 12:51:56 Ahh Oct 20 12:51:57 Hm Oct 20 12:52:35 otoh gpe has this nifty toolbar applet for left/right/middle click Oct 20 13:09:31 hi Oct 20 14:16:43 hi all! Oct 20 14:17:03 hi Oct 20 14:17:18 As usual, I come with problem... Oct 20 14:17:39 I've compiled succesfully OM, but can't build image Oct 20 14:18:04 I get /home/openmoko/om/build/tmp/work/fic-gta01-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/openmoko-devel-image-1.0-r0/temp/run.image_cmd.9537: line 417: mkfs.jffs2: command not found Oct 20 14:18:54 anybody have any idea how to fix it? Oct 20 14:19:38 hmm Oct 20 14:19:54 mkutils-native should've been built during the build Oct 20 14:20:13 mickey|tw, shall I rebuild them? Oct 20 14:20:31 Orzech_: Have you disabled any dependancies in some bb files? Oct 20 14:20:40 CM, nope Oct 20 14:20:53 CM, fresh make setup and devel image Oct 20 14:21:10 I did one yesterday and that worked, haven't tried yet today Oct 20 14:21:26 CM, i began building yesterday Oct 20 14:22:05 CM, but failed with fakekey error or such, so I made make update devel image blabla today and so it ends Oct 20 14:22:48 NOTE: build 200710201256: completed Oct 20 14:24:15 fgau, ok, so I will rebuild mkutils Oct 20 14:24:51 yay, i got my old nick back :) hello everyone ;-) Oct 20 14:25:07 mickey|tw, mkutils-native is the name of package, right? Oct 20 14:25:31 Orzech_: Using the makefile, make rebuild-package-mkutils-native should work Oct 20 14:25:38 sorry Oct 20 14:25:41 actually Oct 20 14:25:43 mtdutils-native Oct 20 14:26:01 mtd-utils-native, to be 100% correct Oct 20 14:26:02 mickey|tw, ok, no problem Oct 20 14:29:12 mickey|tw, ok, so I did make clean-package-mdt-util-native and then make openmoko-devel-image. Error still is there. Oct 20 14:33:15 is it possible to surf the web with neo1973? if so, what browser does it use? and does it support flash? Oct 20 14:33:26 yes. Oct 20 14:33:33 In flux. Oct 20 14:33:35 No. Oct 20 14:33:50 There is no official flash binary that will work. Oct 20 14:33:58 This means that gnuash is the best option. Oct 20 14:34:27 gnuash? Oct 20 14:34:31 gnash? Oct 20 14:34:41 * SpeedEvil forgets the name of the OS flash project Oct 20 14:34:44 goulash? Oct 20 14:35:06 It's gnash Oct 20 14:35:06 not possible to run with http://www.adobe.com/products/flashlite/ ? Oct 20 14:35:16 * CM uses swfdec Oct 20 14:35:24 Don't know if that works on arm though Oct 20 14:35:46 i noticed that Chumby (based on ARM9, fully open source thingie) runs Flash Lite [ http://www.chumby.com/ ] Oct 20 14:36:11 The Nokia NXX0 do too or? Oct 20 14:36:27 i dont know about Nokia phones Oct 20 14:36:39 I mean the N800 and N810 Oct 20 14:36:55 SpeedEvil, is flux a browser? Oct 20 14:37:02 can't find any info on it Oct 20 14:37:08 krLun: don't know. Oct 20 14:37:22 krLun: I've not been keeping up on the browser as much as I should. Oct 20 14:37:39 I've been getting into the bad habit of just running FF, over by car-laptop. Oct 20 14:37:42 so i guess its out of the question to run like firefox? Oct 20 14:37:45 I've been getting into the bad habit of just running FF, over my car-laptop. Oct 20 14:37:53 using BT to display Oct 20 14:38:09 FF probably will run - for some descriptions of run. Maybe even acceptably. Oct 20 14:38:22 Till recently I have run FF (1.5) on a 128M machine. Oct 20 14:38:24 krLun: "in flux" meaning "it's a work in progress, so nothing definite yet" Oct 20 14:38:44 oh Oct 20 14:38:55 Oh - sorry for causing confusion. Oct 20 14:39:06 sorry, im not a native english speaker :) Oct 20 14:39:24 Basically, there are a number of possible browsers, and if anyone comes up with another, it'll be great. Oct 20 14:39:32 dang - I thought in flux meant it would have a built in flux capacitor :( Oct 20 14:39:55 krLun: The web browser OpenMoko uses is openmoko-browser2 (and nothing to be sorry for ;) Oct 20 14:40:31 ScaredyCat: Well, it *is* the Neo 1973 after all, so time travelling must be possible somehow ;) Oct 20 14:40:57 Just... I'm not too sure if I wanna go back to '73. Oct 20 14:40:59 The flux capacitor driver is not released though. Oct 20 14:41:00 maybe it'll be in the "neo 1988 " Oct 20 14:41:15 abraxa_: i'm not sure i want to know what it'd be like, being minus 2 years old Oct 20 14:41:21 And getting the required power over USB is hard. Oct 20 14:41:25 heh Oct 20 14:42:37 * ScaredyCat mods usb 3.0 - 1.21 jiggawatts Oct 20 14:42:41 * cjb_ie giggles at memtest86 results for an old laptop off freecycle: L1 cache: 16K, 81MB/s; Memory: 48M, 107MB/s Oct 20 14:42:59 mickey|tw, However, I have mkfs.jffs2 in om/build/tmp/work/i686-linux/mtd-utils-native-1.0.0-r0/mtd-utils-1.0.0/mkfs Oct 20 14:43:47 107M - that'd be what - 32 bit wide @ 32Mhz? Oct 20 14:43:52 Pentium? Oct 20 14:44:40 SpeedEvil: yup... i'm giggling at the memory apparently being faster than the cache. Oct 20 14:45:14 I think 486sx/33 is the slowest lappy I have. Oct 20 14:45:20 I haven't booted it for a while. Oct 20 14:45:42 memtest86 tells me this one is a pentium-mmx 266MHz Oct 20 14:45:55 it'll do fine for GPS logging in the car Oct 20 14:46:21 stick it under the passenger seat ors Oct 20 14:46:49 it even has a real serial port with wake on ring, so with a little trickery i could make it boot when i start the car. Oct 20 14:48:36 I recommend a CF-IDE adaptor and a 4G CF card. Oct 20 14:49:06 Just as HDs in places where stuff can condense is bad. Oct 20 14:50:05 Pity nobody seems to make a CF-SD adaptor. Oct 20 14:52:22 never mind condensation, it'd be bumps and vibration i'd worry about Oct 20 14:52:55 given that i was thinking of sticking it on the floor under the passenger seat Oct 20 14:53:37 XorA|gone: ping Oct 20 14:59:21 ok, so problem mkfs.jffs2 command not found was conencted with PATH var Oct 20 15:02:42 I exported it manually and now this command is seen, but I get "Unknown compressor name lzo" Oct 20 15:02:48 anybody can help? Oct 20 15:06:22 SpeedEvil: you mean like http://www.amazon.com/Compact-Flash-Secure-Digital-Adapter/dp/B000165CBA ? Oct 20 15:14:08 Orzech_: This might help: http://projects.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2007-March/001570.html Oct 20 15:15:27 Orzech_: Also, I have a lib called lzo installed on my desktop Oct 20 15:15:43 ok Oct 20 15:15:54 CM: * ok ;) Oct 20 15:16:39 Hehe Oct 20 15:17:17 CM: yes, I have lzo installed Oct 20 15:17:55 I've never heard anyone here having that problem before Oct 20 15:18:32 CM: well, it's not the first time, when I have strange problem :/ Oct 20 15:19:48 CM: however, so me problems appear even, when I didn't make any change to my desktop Oct 20 15:20:03 CM: * most problems Oct 20 15:20:44 CM: thank You for help, I'll try tomorrow and tell you results :) Oct 20 15:20:48 Peace. Oct 20 15:43:26 hi there. Oct 20 17:13:46 so a question,what actually prevents any mobile from being flashed with the openmoko os? Oct 20 17:14:09 SrRaven: Nothing, as long as it boots a linux kernel Oct 20 17:14:15 ur device would need to have the proper roms Oct 20 17:14:25 and u would need to have all the drivers Oct 20 17:14:43 buh Oct 20 17:17:46 wohoo Motorola A1200E does OM Oct 20 17:18:30 *sigh* having a build cow Oct 20 17:18:35 :) Oct 20 17:19:07 anyone having a recent kernel/root image pair, I'd like to show this thing off tomorrow at a presentation :] Oct 20 17:19:29 the a1200e at least is pretty Oct 20 17:20:31 mjr: How recent? Oct 20 17:20:53 preferrably so recent that, as I hear, calls would somewhat work Oct 20 17:21:07 mjr: I have from the 17th, and it worked to call with for me: http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/2007.2/ Oct 20 17:21:46 CM, ack, thanks Oct 20 17:21:47 mjr: I have later images too, but I haven't tried them Oct 20 17:22:15 seems mkfs.jffs2 didn't have -x lzo and zlib didn't cut it Oct 20 17:22:37 There's some more who have used those images too and called with them, so it's not just on my neo Oct 20 17:22:56 *nod* Oct 20 17:24:39 fllllash Oct 20 17:26:07 * mickey|tw notices gpe-gallery and gpe-sketchbook are almost usable on the Neo Oct 20 17:26:20 just needs a couple of improvements Oct 20 17:26:26 might be nice beginner's tasks Oct 20 17:26:41 merely a question of how to inject the changes Oct 20 17:27:32 Could make a good step by step guide too if it's documented Oct 20 17:28:03 like, how to improve regular gtk programs for a phone? Oct 20 17:28:12 or, the OpenMoko framework, fwiw Oct 20 17:28:38 ? Oct 20 17:29:02 Yes, something like that Oct 20 17:34:46 I would like get a "Nokia 810" with GSM/3G Oct 20 17:40:22 davi: me too, but the answer seems to be wimax which is not deployed anywhere Oct 20 17:41:04 getting the EABI gps driver may be a lower priority since gta02 won't use it :( Oct 20 17:41:51 which is not that much of a problem actually, as long as the oabi works w/ the wrapper Oct 20 17:42:55 As long as. It's a bit more resources again, but I shan't complain much as long as we get it. Oct 20 17:43:06 has anyone documented how to make the chroot wrapper? Oct 20 17:43:30 (as I've said, the gta01 will go to the wife, and she wants gps ;) Oct 20 17:44:18 bmidgley: I think Pavel has some on his userpage or in the wiki Oct 20 17:44:29 mjr: Did the images work ok for you? Oct 20 17:47:34 at least booted, don't have sim in it right now Oct 20 17:47:55 Ok Oct 20 17:48:01 -> at least I can show it around a bit Oct 20 17:48:16 bmidgley, The N810 has Skype and other similar VoIP software, to be used via normal WiFi. WiMAX would be better, but WiFi seams to fit. Oct 20 17:50:35 there's a polish openmoko wiki? (smirk) Oct 20 17:50:38 what happened with the gps stuff, I thought it was "any day now" Oct 20 17:50:42 with the chroot docs http://www.openmoko.org.pl/node/55 Oct 20 17:51:34 more of a blog, but it's a great recipe for hiding something Oct 20 17:53:58 ScaredyCat: pending someone writing an EULA... legal stuff always takes ages Oct 20 17:55:05 we could just shoot all the worlds lawyers and speed up proceses Oct 20 17:56:21 :( Oct 20 17:56:22 indeed Oct 20 17:56:29 well, that would be gogod Oct 20 17:56:36 it's that old joke Oct 20 17:56:54 what do you call 200 lawyers at the bottom of the sea? Oct 20 17:57:00 a good start. Oct 20 17:57:04 heh Oct 20 17:57:06 fun Oct 20 17:59:19 how is taiwan mickey|tw ? better weather this time? Oct 20 17:59:34 much better Oct 20 17:59:41 twenty-something degree and reasonable humidity Oct 20 17:59:51 less air condition everywhere Oct 20 18:00:05 and being here the 2nd time puts less stress on me Oct 20 18:00:11 since most is known Oct 20 18:00:20 :) good to hear... Oct 20 18:00:23 so i can concentrate on the work Oct 20 18:00:30 just watch out for ninjas ;) Oct 20 18:00:34 hehehe Oct 20 18:00:39 they might be videoing you Oct 20 18:00:42 :D Oct 20 18:00:55 i'm afraid not this time... new management might qualify this as "time-consuming and wasted" Oct 20 18:00:57 *cough* Oct 20 18:01:09 oops, did i say that? Oct 20 18:01:11 new management? Oct 20 18:01:57 sean mentioned a reorg a while back Oct 20 18:02:00 well... restructuration of steering team Oct 20 18:02:05 new command chains... Oct 20 18:02:13 surely getting a developer to sort an office move is more 'wasted time' ..? Oct 20 18:02:27 ahh ok. Oct 20 18:02:57 well, so long as they don't get in your way it's good :) Oct 20 18:03:10 this is where the problem starts.... ;) Oct 20 18:03:24 well, lets see :) Oct 20 18:03:32 * mickey|tw looking forward to next week Oct 20 18:03:49 mickey|tw normally mickey|europe? Oct 20 18:03:50 back home? Oct 20 18:04:20 bmidgley: right Oct 20 18:04:35 ScaredyCat: no no, next week (tomorrow, actually) the steering discussions get started Oct 20 18:04:42 back home on 30th of Oct. Oct 20 18:04:52 ahhh .. Oct 20 18:05:15 * ScaredyCat has a 600 km drive tomorrow :( Oct 20 18:05:19 eeks Oct 20 18:05:20 nasty Oct 20 18:05:21 ee Oct 20 18:05:41 not so bad, at that time of night there's not much traffic.. Oct 20 18:05:57 don't fancy taking the train? Oct 20 18:05:59 ScaredyCat: If the road is good it's ok Oct 20 18:06:08 when I saw gllin was 1.7MB I though for sure that meant it was statically linked Oct 20 18:06:16 too bad Oct 20 18:06:18 * CM has 1000+ km to drive to visit the parents Oct 20 18:06:26 well, Belgian roads get crappy, but you can 'floor it' there :) Oct 20 18:07:18 1000mk is a lot CM Oct 20 18:07:22 km Oct 20 18:07:29 how often do you visit? Oct 20 18:07:42 'never' doens't count... you bad son :) Oct 20 18:08:20 mickey|tw: isn't it a little late to start steering the project now? Oct 20 18:08:22 ;) Oct 20 18:10:18 ScaredyCat: Maybe 3 times a year.. :D Oct 20 18:10:43 ScaredyCat: But my girlfriend lives in Stockholm, and that's about 500km away, and I've been driving there almost every other weekend.. Oct 20 18:11:23 yeah, but your motives aren't pure - are they :) Oct 20 18:11:25 mickey|tw: Just curious, what's at the top of your todo-list for openmoko right now? :) Oct 20 18:13:18 offhand Oct 20 18:13:29 snapshot release with working toolchain Oct 20 18:13:37 oabi-gllin release Oct 20 18:13:50 dbus service level architecture Oct 20 18:14:03 Sounds very nice :) Oct 20 18:14:15 and then ten million tiny issues Oct 20 18:14:42 ScaredyCat: you would think so ;) no, seriously, it's some changes in important positions that can mean more focus but also more friction Oct 20 18:15:50 i would love to get back to UI and toolkit stuff Oct 20 18:16:02 but it looks like that has to wait some more months Oct 20 18:16:04 * Stephmw comforts mickey|tw Oct 20 18:16:44 i'm glad XorA|gone is now on board to releave me from day-to-day OE issues Oct 20 18:16:49 release, even Oct 20 18:17:27 I have a question that I couldn't find an answer to in the wiki Oct 20 18:17:48 go ahead... you have 2 minutes until i pass out Oct 20 18:17:59 I've downloaded and flashed the kernal and rootfs Oct 20 18:18:21 But I keep seeing this modules.tgz thing Oct 20 18:18:28 What can I do with that? Oct 20 18:18:55 just ignore it. it's a tarball with all kernel modules and not just the few ones that are installed in your rootfs Oct 20 18:19:07 you rootfs won't be big enough Oct 20 18:19:16 but it may assist when you want to update the kernel Oct 20 18:19:21 gpe-gallery is off by one pixel in full screen mode, isn't it? Oct 20 18:19:23 OK. THanks Oct 20 18:19:26 or want to play with some kernel modules Oct 20 18:19:34 gamin: could be, yeah Oct 20 18:19:47 g'night (02:19 here) Oct 20 18:20:32 Godzilla! Oct 20 18:20:35 * CM is off to a party Oct 20 18:20:38 nite Oct 20 18:21:01 ScaredyCat: Man it's hard work trying to be social and still maintain your Nerd God status! :-P Oct 20 18:21:26 irc from a bar? Oct 20 18:21:33 like roh :p Oct 20 18:22:03 lol CM Oct 20 18:22:16 you can't be a nerd god AND go to parties Oct 20 18:22:24 one or the other Oct 20 18:22:38 sure you can. that's what the god part is about Oct 20 18:22:47 otherwise you're just a grand high wizard or something Oct 20 18:25:59 check out the hack party on upcoming.org Oct 20 18:26:16