**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 23 02:59:57 2007 Oct 23 05:09:21 qemu has emulation support for SD/MMC ? Oct 23 05:09:40 or can you emulate/test the Neo images for SD/MMC with qemu? Oct 23 05:17:03 It does ask for mkdosfs and mtd-utils when you run it, but I don't really know Oct 23 05:17:45 CM, ok Oct 23 05:18:33 And what do you mean with "images for SD/MMC"? I just put some random files in /media/card :) Oct 23 05:18:52 Haven't tried in qemu though, it won't boot for me with the latest images Oct 23 06:03:50 Had anyone had problem with the SD card controller? I can't seem to get my SD card mounted, regardless what flash images I used Oct 23 06:04:27 this is for a new P1 Oct 23 06:05:04 the latest images I used are Oct 23 06:05:07 OpenMoko-scaredycat-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20071021-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 Oct 23 06:05:09 and Oct 23 06:05:24 wheeeee! Let's all use different images! Oct 23 06:05:29 uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr2937-r3-neo1973.bin Oct 23 06:05:42 I used these and had no problems: Oct 23 06:05:53 OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-September-Snapshot-20070916-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 Oct 23 06:06:06 uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr2937-r0-fic-gta01.bin Oct 23 06:06:20 I used those too Oct 23 06:06:40 I start to think there may be a problem with the controller Oct 23 06:06:47 You see, if we all use different images, then we'll all have different problems, and nothing will get fixed. Mu-hahaha! A great plan for enemies of the OpenMoko. Oct 23 06:07:16 (I'm not picking on you; just pointing out that the release management of OpenMoko is severely lacking. Oct 23 06:07:26 And that's because OpenEmbedded encourages non-repeatable builds. Oct 23 06:07:27 I agree, for sake of the moko testers Oct 23 06:07:45 there needs to be some type of lock stepped release cycles Oct 23 06:08:12 the best thing the OpenMoko folks could do for the project is to stop using CVS head. Oct 23 06:08:29 What hepened to the hang-up button on the dialer? Oct 23 06:09:00 Had to yank out the battery before the TMobile operator came on line :) Oct 23 06:09:05 good question! What software are you using? Why, you're using CVS head, of course. Oct 23 06:09:20 I just did an ipkg update/upgrade Oct 23 06:09:34 Was using the 9/16 image Oct 23 06:10:27 on the plus side, tones work now Oct 23 06:12:04 besides that I can keep trying different combinations of the images(doubt it will matter), here is errors I got which seems not to happen to others, by searching from all the openmoko lists Oct 23 06:12:39 $ dmesg | grep mmc Oct 23 06:12:39 <7>mmc_set_power(power_mode=0, vdd=0 Oct 23 06:12:39 ... Oct 23 06:12:39 <7>mmc_set_power(power_mode=2, vdd=20 Oct 23 06:12:39 <6>mmcblk0: mmc0:e624 SU512 495488KiB Oct 23 06:12:40 <6> mmcblk0:<3>mmcblk0: error 1 transferring data Oct 23 06:12:42 <4>end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0 Oct 23 06:12:44 <3>Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 0 Oct 23 06:12:46 <3>mmcblk0: error 1 transferring data Oct 23 06:12:48 <4>end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0 Oct 23 06:13:12 so I never had the mmcblk0p1 device created to get the card mounted. Oct 23 06:16:03 I read from a previous post where someone did a mmcinit from the bootloader connection, here is what I got Oct 23 06:16:18 GTA01Bv4 # mmcinit Oct 23 06:16:18 trying to detect SD Card... Oct 23 06:16:18 Manufacturer: 0x03, OEM "SD" Oct 23 06:16:18 Product name: "SU512", revision 8.0 Oct 23 06:16:18 Serial number: 281088817 Oct 23 06:16:19 Manufacturing date: 8/2007 Oct 23 06:16:21 CRC: 0x21, b0 = 1 Oct 23 06:16:23 READ_BL_LEN=15, C_SIZE_MULT=7, C_SIZE=3453 Oct 23 06:16:25 size = 2329935872 Oct 23 06:16:27 mmc_block_read: err SDIDSTA=0x00000024 Oct 23 06:16:29 GTA01Bv4 # Oct 23 06:16:48 ttneo, use pastebin.ca, don't flood the channel Oct 23 06:16:51 ~lart ttneo for not using pastebin Oct 23 06:16:51 * apt takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking ttneo's head off for not using pastebin Oct 23 06:22:28 sorry folks, irc rookie mistake. all the error logs are now at http://pastebin.ca/746475 Oct 23 06:22:56 any idea will be greatly appreciated. Oct 23 06:23:01 good morning Oct 23 06:25:10 Hopscotch, good morning Oct 23 06:43:57 ~hail ctr+shift+t in firefox Oct 23 06:43:57 * apt bows down to ctr+shift+t in firefox and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Oct 23 06:45:00 *yawn* Oct 23 07:04:01 any news on the gps driver? Oct 23 07:06:41 Batalyx: Depends on what you heard last time ;) Oct 23 07:07:32 Batalyx: Mickeyl wants to distribute the oabi gllin in a chroot in the next official rootfs release, but the lawyers are not done with their silly papers yet, so nothing can be released.. :( Oct 23 07:07:39 I heard that they are going to be released. Made me really happy :) Oct 23 07:08:04 oh... hope they'll get it done Oct 23 07:08:40 oabi? not eabi? (or do I understand this wrong, wasn't eabi the new abi?) Oct 23 07:10:26 Batalyx: It's oabi with a wrapper so it does work on eabi Oct 23 07:10:33 hmm, did we broke the icon for the gsm applet? Oct 23 07:10:33 root@fic-gta01:~$ ** (matchbox-panel-2:1168): DEBUG: gsm_applet_update_signal_strength: signal strength = 17 Oct 23 07:10:34 ** (matchbox-panel-2:1168): WARNING **: Icon "" not found Oct 23 07:10:50 eabi for some reason does not work Oct 23 07:10:55 And I still have the non-signal icon and not one with some bars Oct 23 07:11:18 ya, strange Oct 23 07:11:24 that´s broken only since short Oct 23 07:11:26 ly Oct 23 07:12:08 * alphaone hides Oct 23 07:12:28 Wasn't me. And I have the commit logs to prove it! Oct 23 07:15:21 I cant get last nights fs image to boot, plus there is no ssh :( Oct 23 07:19:20 i won't do anything on the applet until i know about the gsmd status and outlook Oct 23 07:19:35 hopefully i can get the gsmd group meeting done tomorrow Oct 23 08:00:53 hmm, it might just be my oppinion... but the "Delete All" screenshot is a bit irrellevant... it should be something like the dialer instead > http://openmoko.com/products-neo-base-02-screenshots.html Oct 23 08:01:42 considering that the battery low screen is almost exactly the same Oct 23 08:02:10 DarkFoxDK: Well, that whole page should be updated Oct 23 08:02:21 It looks totally different now Oct 23 08:02:24 ok Oct 23 08:02:57 any screenshots of the new interface? Oct 23 08:03:25 DarkFoxDK: Some are here: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=6 Oct 23 08:04:03 But there's all kinds of screenshots there Oct 23 08:04:11 hmm Oct 23 08:04:13 mmmmnice Oct 23 08:04:25 for some reason i don`t get the openmoko watermark on my mediaplayer Oct 23 08:04:36 do you see this also on the device? Oct 23 08:04:42 or is it too subtle and only appearing on scap Oct 23 08:04:44 ? Oct 23 08:04:59 mickey-tw: What watermark? Oct 23 08:05:08 You mean in the background? Oct 23 08:05:11 ya Oct 23 08:05:13 mokoman Oct 23 08:05:20 don´t see this in my build Oct 23 08:05:46 Hmm.. I think I had it on my Neo Oct 23 08:06:02 DarkFoxDK: Screenshot of the mediaplayer: http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/Screenshot-6.png Oct 23 08:06:14 Looks like it is too faint to be visible from certain angles. Oct 23 08:06:20 Even on my notebook Oct 23 08:06:35 :) Oct 23 08:09:50 so, i was wondering, will the phone be shipped with navigation software and maps, or will i have to download/buy those seperate? Oct 23 08:11:04 i am guessing that with at least the maps, i have to get some seperate, as the open source maps in denmark is... well... less than complete Oct 23 08:11:47 DarkFoxDK: I'm hoping there will be some nice OpenStreetmap integration :) Oct 23 08:11:56 ok :) Oct 23 08:12:42 * CM takes a coffee break Oct 23 08:14:33 google maps integration could be nice too... although a bit heavy on bandwidth... Oct 23 08:17:12 DarkFoxDK: Have you considered moving to the netherlands? Free maps there :) Oct 23 08:17:31 As to openstreetmap. Oct 23 08:17:33 heh :) Oct 23 08:18:03 There has not been much interest in developing routing software for it, as in 99% or so of all countries it's not been usable for routing. Oct 23 08:18:23 openmoko: 03mickey * r3250 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2-qvga/gtk-2.0/ (gtktreeview treeview/ treeview/header.png): openmoko-theme-standard-2-qvga: catch up w/ VGA treeview theming Oct 23 08:18:40 Now, in the netherlands and USA, there is now mostly complete coverage Oct 23 08:20:04 SpeedEvil: there are not that much streets in the netherlands... :D Oct 23 08:21:13 well, you could allways get "free" maps. question is if its legal... Oct 23 08:22:02 I was meaning freely distributable without legal problems. Oct 23 08:22:11 I have used google-maps over GPRS. Oct 23 08:22:18 It's not exactly quick Oct 23 08:22:38 and not exactly cheap, if you pay-per-mb Oct 23 08:22:49 hi, there. Oct 23 08:22:56 For me once I hit 136K/1 pound, it caps for the day. Oct 23 08:23:13 openmoko-today missed some source files in the svn trunk: today-clock.[hc] Oct 23 08:24:14 seems like there is a possibility of obtaining a map legaly though Oct 23 08:24:14 http://www.gpsy.com/maps/ Oct 23 08:24:47 chris is not here? Oct 23 08:25:22 DarkFoxDK: you mean pay-for-maps? Oct 23 08:25:29 exactly Oct 23 08:25:49 You can actually buy GPS navigators with no maps. Oct 23 08:25:59 Which actually would be really cool to put OM on. Oct 23 08:36:37 Hmm. http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5179 Oct 23 08:42:15 (GPSs without map) http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8545 Oct 23 08:42:55 Pengu1n: No, but add a bug to buzilla about it :) Oct 23 08:44:25 Is it worth to fill a bug repport?:) Oct 23 08:44:52 It's quick, and it's the best way for the devs to figure out something is wrong :) Oct 23 08:45:20 Pengu1n: Or poke XorA|gone or mickey-tw about it here.. ;) Oct 23 08:45:46 * Pengu1n poke mickey-tw Oct 23 08:45:48 :) Oct 23 08:46:03 wats up? Oct 23 08:47:26 mickey-tw, I cann't build the openmoko-today2 svn trunk, because there some files missed. today-clock.c|h Oct 23 08:47:45 hmm Oct 23 08:50:49 yes Oct 23 08:50:50 missing Oct 23 08:50:53 not much i can do about :) Oct 23 08:50:57 i don´t have these files Oct 23 08:51:03 * mickey-tw pokes authors Oct 23 08:51:28 * Pengu1n lol Oct 23 08:53:42 mickey-tw: authors are not yet at work Oct 23 08:54:45 lazy bastards Oct 23 08:54:47 :D Oct 23 09:01:02 hrw: tell them get to work or we phone them at 4am :-D Oct 23 09:01:15 right. given my new timezone i can do that Oct 23 09:01:19 good morning XorA Oct 23 09:01:33 mickey-tw: Not really... ;) Oct 23 09:02:47 well, literally Oct 23 09:07:37 mickey-tw: Today builds fine if you comment the files out in autoconf.ac Oct 23 09:07:46 err configure.ac Oct 23 09:08:24 ah Oct 23 09:16:01 * * OM Bug 955 has been created by stefan(AT)openmoko.org Oct 23 09:16:02 * * Icon about signal level gets not displayed Oct 23 09:16:03 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=955 Oct 23 09:22:12 openmoko: 03mickey * r3251 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c: Oct 23 09:22:12 openmoko: neod: short click on AUX now toggles showing today Oct 23 09:22:12 openmoko: (instead of previously just showing it unconditionally) Oct 23 09:23:09 yay :-) Oct 23 09:24:30 Wish I were in .tw, too Oct 23 09:24:37 Looks like you guys have lots of fun there ;) Oct 23 09:25:02 yeah Oct 23 09:25:15 it´s work, but fun as well Oct 23 09:25:39 as long as you like your coworkers and what you are doing, work is pretty fun Oct 23 09:25:44 "it's work, but fun as hell" Oct 23 09:25:45 ;) Oct 23 09:25:49 hehe Oct 23 09:25:57 abraxa_: But in the night we are dancing nude on the tables in the office Oct 23 09:26:21 With some nice FIC-paid girls, I hope Oct 23 09:26:39 Ah crud, shouldn't have said that Oct 23 09:26:48 abraxa_: No really. FIC just not pays enough Oct 23 09:27:01 Maybe your girlfriends are list... ah okay Oct 23 09:27:08 heh Oct 23 09:27:24 She is not on IRC. :) Oct 23 09:28:03 1:0 for you Oct 23 09:28:16 If mine were I wouldn't get *anything* done Oct 23 09:31:44 hehe Oct 23 09:31:53 mine hates computers Oct 23 09:32:08 she needs to work using them, but outside work she almost never touches Oct 23 09:32:11 computers Oct 23 09:32:11 http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/19/eye-fis-2gb-sd-wireless-card-hits-the-fcc/ Oct 23 09:32:48 * XorA is married to a science nerd who loves to google stalk Oct 23 09:33:37 "google stalk" as in... entering your name and seeing what comes up? Oct 23 09:33:38 * CM prefers the girlfriend touching other things than computers... Oct 23 09:34:09 CM: Is it time for minors to leave the channel? ;) Oct 23 09:34:25 abraxa_: :P :D Oct 23 09:34:38 abraxa_: thats it yes Oct 23 09:35:07 Well, she's a nurse, but also have a full body massage diploma. ;) Oct 23 09:35:57 XorA: *looks at bugzilla*... time to see what *does* come up Oct 23 09:37:02 openmoko: 03chris * r3252 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (ChangeLog src/Makefile.am): Oct 23 09:37:02 openmoko: * src/Makefile.am: Oct 23 09:37:02 openmoko: Revert change that I didn't mean to commit Oct 23 09:38:42 XorA: http://profiles.friendster.com/graemegreg ...rofl Oct 23 09:40:13 hrw: you´re at home or in the uk officeß Oct 23 09:40:14 ? Oct 23 09:40:22 could you ask chris to join IRC, if so Oct 23 09:40:25 abraxa_: Hehe Oct 23 09:40:28 [so being the uk office] Oct 23 09:40:56 abraxa_: heh heh Oct 23 09:41:56 abraxa_: I wonder if I should steak his life Oct 23 09:41:59 mickey-tw: home Oct 23 09:42:12 greetings to Ania Oct 23 09:42:16 how´s she doing? Oct 23 09:42:49 steal Oct 23 09:43:31 mickey-tw: quite ok, but has to stay in bed for most of time Oct 23 09:43:38 XorA: Bah, roast him instead ;) Oct 23 09:45:42 abraxa_: what's so funny about that site? Oct 23 09:45:53 or i this one of this web-2.0-thingies that I justdon'tget? Oct 23 09:46:48 blindcoder: XorA = Graeme Gregory Oct 23 09:47:07 blindcoder: But not 16, and not from asia ;) Oct 23 09:47:17 aah Oct 23 09:47:20 in fact exactly 2x16 :-D Oct 23 09:47:29 Twice the man! :P Oct 23 09:49:37 mickey-tw: when you plan to work on having new generation of lauers? Oct 23 09:50:22 hrw: we talked about it during our vacation. a lot (of talk). i think we are almost convinced to do it. then probably working on it starting mid 2008 :) Oct 23 09:51:23 mickey-tw: stop project managing everything :-D Oct 23 09:53:06 XorA: You need a good schedule for such things. Minutes based. ;) Oct 23 09:53:40 mickey-tw: gratulations then Oct 23 09:53:51 heh Oct 23 09:53:54 thanks, but lets see Oct 23 09:53:58 XorA: :D Oct 23 09:54:08 word is on the street i need to work more product-oriented Oct 23 09:54:10 * mickey-tw coughs Oct 23 09:54:20 mickey-tw: for sure Oct 23 09:54:37 * XorA hides from the baby conversations Oct 23 09:55:03 XorA: To late. Already dropped a mail to your GF. Oct 23 09:56:57 XorA: Be strong. You can withstand the pressure ;) Oct 23 09:57:13 openmoko: 03mickey * r3253 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokopanelui2/libmokopanelui/moko-panel-applet.c: moko-panel-applet.c: add code to debug recent gsm icon breakage Oct 23 09:57:51 damn kids would steal my lego :-( Oct 23 09:58:22 XorA: Amen Oct 23 09:58:31 :) Oct 23 09:59:24 my lego advent calendar arrived today all the way from Germany Oct 23 09:59:50 XorA: Have you been in legoland yet? That's really cool. Oct 23 09:59:55 The one in Denmark Oct 23 10:00:20 alphaone: only the one in Windsor UK so far Oct 23 10:00:36 morning Oct 23 10:00:43 alphaone: for some reason Denmark from Scotland is a massive journay Oct 23 10:00:46 XorA: You could go there with a small child... Oct 23 10:01:03 XorA: Damn instable wormholes Oct 23 10:01:32 Haven't been to the one in Windsor so I can't compare Oct 23 10:02:03 alphaone: There are places you never were until now? wowo Oct 23 10:04:01 alphaone: Windsor one is a bit wierd for me, I was there as a kid when it was a zoo, and its still pretty similar layout Oct 23 10:04:44 hello can someone tell me the difference between Openmoko and Qtopia ? Oct 23 10:05:12 Agiofws: short version: openmoko use X11, qtopia do not Oct 23 10:05:12 Agiofws: You know GNOME? You know KDE? There you go ;) Oct 23 10:05:25 yes i do Oct 23 10:05:39 so open moko is a GUI ? Oct 23 10:05:40 abraxa_: its more then gnome<>kde Oct 23 10:05:46 * abraxa_ runs before he gets beat up by hrw Oct 23 10:05:50 openmoko is a distribution, but also an application stack Oct 23 10:06:02 hrw: Of course, hence the smiley :) Oct 23 10:06:19 a gui application stack ? Oct 23 10:06:31 whats it got to do with cell phones ? Oct 23 10:07:01 is qtopia a gui aswell ? Oct 23 10:07:16 cell phones whose user interface is entirely composed of gui applications? Oct 23 10:07:18 you tell me... Oct 23 10:07:26 and yes it is, in effect Oct 23 10:07:41 Agiofws: Qtopia is a GUI widget toolkit wherein openmoko is a proejct which aims to provide an open hardware and software for cellphone Oct 23 10:08:24 ok something like a linux distro specialized for cell phones ? Oct 23 10:08:25 openmoko is only the software stack Oct 23 10:08:32 yes, like a distro Oct 23 10:08:47 in fact it's exactly a distro Oct 23 10:08:48 under rthe GPL licience ... Oct 23 10:09:02 GPL, LGPL, X11, BSD, yes Oct 23 10:09:07 ok Oct 23 10:09:40 so say ia havea cell phone .... does it depend on the H/w if i can get open moko on it ? Oct 23 10:09:49 obviously yes Oct 23 10:10:26 so what h/w is compatible for openmoko ? Oct 23 10:10:33 Agiofws: as long as your hardware runs linux it can runu openmoko Oct 23 10:10:51 and has screen ofcourse ;) Oct 23 10:11:03 can i run it on my motorola razr v3x Oct 23 10:11:16 Agiofws, maybe, if you port it :] Oct 23 10:11:19 Agiofws: does it run linux? Oct 23 10:11:40 OpenMoko is currently geared towards the FIC Neo1973, unsurprisingly Oct 23 10:12:04 people have made prelim ports to some Palms, iPaqs and HTCs at least, iirc Oct 23 10:12:11 yes but will it pay off ? maybe openmoko is to heavy for it ? Oct 23 10:12:11 mjr: and EZX and HTC phones Oct 23 10:12:22 it does run on some motorolas... Oct 23 10:12:29 kk Oct 23 10:13:02 <_buz> openmoko on a tytn II would be neat Oct 23 10:13:55 why doesn't Troltechs green phone use open moko but instead use Qtopia ? is that another specialized cell phone linux distro ? Oct 23 10:14:15 Agiofws: because Qtopia is Trolltech product Oct 23 10:14:19 yes. Oct 23 10:14:22 they make money on it Oct 23 10:14:23 what hrw said. Oct 23 10:14:41 counter Oct 23 10:14:51 there are 'many' phones on market (asia mostly) with qtopia already in use Oct 23 10:14:57 really? Oct 23 10:14:59 interesting Oct 23 10:15:10 ewon: atleast thats what TT say ;) Oct 23 10:15:17 heh :) Oct 23 10:15:28 openmoko: 03mickey * r3254 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokopanelui2/ (ChangeLog libmokopanelui/moko-panel-applet.c): Oct 23 10:15:28 openmoko: libmokopanelui2: strdup the string that gets passed from outside the Oct 23 10:15:28 openmoko: glib mainloop to the inside. should fix recent icon breakage in gsm panel Oct 23 10:15:31 ok Oct 23 10:15:33 pity no stack ever came out for the Dv007, looks like a nice phone Oct 23 10:15:36 ewon: many motorolas used it but limited user ability to install soft Oct 23 10:15:45 hrw: ah, ok Oct 23 10:15:55 whats the advatage of having opensource on a cell phone can you give me an example ? Oct 23 10:16:12 porting of applications Oct 23 10:16:25 Agiofws, the same as on a desktop Oct 23 10:16:28 instead of relying on some retarded j2me VM, you can write your code in C, as god intended Oct 23 10:16:32 and which companies willopen there specs so you can install linux on them i take it they are feeeling threatend Oct 23 10:16:41 openess means no one can control the platform. very useful for solution providers / vertical markets. Oct 23 10:16:43 meh, not really Oct 23 10:16:53 I reckon we have a long way to go before nokia gets antsy Oct 23 10:16:58 ewon, yeah Oct 23 10:17:22 ewon: C?? God obviously wrote in assembly. Oct 23 10:17:25 same as on desktop can you give me an example ? Oct 23 10:17:31 <_buz> ewon: i'm still wondering why nokia doesnt put GSM into N810 Oct 23 10:17:41 Agiofws, anyway, as said, the project is geared for the Neo1973, which is made pretty much to run OpenMoko. Others may adopt if they choose, we'll see. Oct 23 10:17:43 _buz: I thought the very same thing. Oct 23 10:17:48 _buz: to sell more phones Oct 23 10:17:59 <_buz> hrw: like nokia cares what form factor your phone is in Oct 23 10:18:05 Stephmw: according to xkcd, it was supposed to be written in lisp, but ended up being hacked together in perl :) Oct 23 10:18:07 _buz: probably one part of nokia makes phones and other makes tablets Oct 23 10:18:11 Neo1973 ? Oct 23 10:18:22 is that a cell phone vendor ? Oct 23 10:18:23 ewon: clearly, He has a sense of humour Oct 23 10:18:29 Stephmw: indeed. Oct 23 10:18:40 Agiofws, it's a phone. From FIC. Oct 23 10:18:41 Agiofws: that's the hardware openmoko currently runs on Oct 23 10:18:57 and if you don't know about the Neo, you really should read up a bit more independently Oct 23 10:19:17 so i assume that you could use mplayer to whatch you videos on you cell phone ? Oct 23 10:19:21 if the GTA03 had a slide out keyboard like the n810, I may very well spontaneously combust with joy. Oct 23 10:19:27 Agiofws: yes. Oct 23 10:19:29 Agiofws: yes Oct 23 10:19:44 Agiofws: there is a video on youtube showing mplayer running on the phone, iirc Oct 23 10:19:46 Agiofws: go to http://wiki.openmoko.org/ and spend some time on reading Oct 23 10:19:57 or even use kismet on your wifi can embeded in you cell p hone ? Oct 23 10:20:03 yes. Oct 23 10:20:12 kk Oct 23 10:20:15 Stephmw / ewon: Clearly, http://www.xkcd.com/224/ is right. Oct 23 10:20:17 it even has an atheros chipset, so packet injection should be possible Oct 23 10:20:43 the thing is that i doubt it that vendors will allow linux to run on there devices Oct 23 10:20:44 ewon, note that it's different from the desk/laptop atheros chipsets Oct 23 10:21:08 mjr: true, but I presume the HAL atheros uses will be similar? Oct 23 10:21:10 (I don't know what the ar6k supports, but thought I'd make sure you knew that) Oct 23 10:21:11 and what about iphone can linux run on that ? Oct 23 10:21:24 ewon, the HAL-equivalent for the 6k is in firmware Oct 23 10:21:29 oh, cock. Oct 23 10:21:35 in that case all bets are off :) Oct 23 10:21:46 Agiofws: if someone will port linux to iphone.. Oct 23 10:22:43 pffft Oct 23 10:22:50 iphone schmiphone Oct 23 10:23:01 * raster bah humbugs all over iphone Oct 23 10:23:47 * mjr seconds raster's statement Oct 23 10:24:01 seriously Oct 23 10:24:08 its nice industrial design Oct 23 10:24:13 if you like apples style Oct 23 10:24:14 hw not bad Oct 23 10:24:17 but its not open Oct 23 10:24:20 not "hackable" Oct 23 10:24:23 openmoko: 03chris * r3255 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Oct 23 10:24:23 openmoko: * configure.ac: Oct 23 10:24:23 openmoko: * src/Makefile.am: Oct 23 10:24:23 openmoko: * src/today-main.c: (set_time_idle), (today_create_home_page), Oct 23 10:24:23 openmoko: (main): Oct 23 10:24:24 you wont get long term support Oct 23 10:24:25 openmoko: * src/today.h: Oct 23 10:24:26 openmoko: Use libjana-gtk/libjana-ecal and put an analog clock on the main screen Oct 23 10:24:34 just nasty hacks that happen to work- until a hw revision or something else Oct 23 10:25:08 someone will eventially put linux on iphone, but it won't happen soon Oct 23 10:25:18 a never ending cat and mouse game, and in nature the mouse usually ends up getting eaten or ripped in two... :P Oct 23 10:25:18 ...but they're releasing an SDK! Oct 23 10:25:47 you guy's see maddox's review of the iphone? Oct 23 10:25:55 s/guy's/guys/ Oct 23 10:25:55 ewon meant: you guys see maddox's review of the iphone? Oct 23 10:25:55 Browser+iTextEdit Oct 23 10:26:05 if i don't know C but i do know linux should i purchase ? Oct 23 10:26:28 are there ready example apps out there to install compile or what ever /? Oct 23 10:26:30 purchase a neo? Oct 23 10:27:06 Agiofws: tbh, it sounds like it could be a little early for you Oct 23 10:27:38 too early Oct 23 10:27:44 if you are into hacking low level stuff Oct 23 10:27:53 or buildign entire user environments from the ground up Oct 23 10:27:55 now is a good time Oct 23 10:28:09 if you just want to make high level apps/toys/games/trinkets Oct 23 10:28:10 it can wait Oct 23 10:28:11 Agiofws: it is not yet at the stage where it can be easily used as a phone ;) Oct 23 10:28:47 is the phone workingthough can you do simple tasks like phone someone ? Oct 23 10:29:00 not reliably, no Oct 23 10:29:15 why not ? no s/w yet ? Oct 23 10:29:21 the phone functinality doesn't seem to be a priority. Oct 23 10:29:24 hopefully soon Oct 23 10:29:27 openmoko: 03mickey * r3256 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-gsm/ (ChangeLog src/openmoko-panel-gsm.c): openmoko-panel-gsm: update the panel icon once we receive a connection event Oct 23 10:29:54 except that it looks like it might be now. Someone is actually doing something related. Oct 23 10:30:13 ? Oct 23 10:30:21 Agiofws, yes, it's a (set of) software issue(s) Oct 23 10:30:30 ewon: can you post a link to madoxx review? Oct 23 10:30:40 Xx13: that commit message just now. Oct 23 10:30:55 Jiten, indeed, go mickey Oct 23 10:31:00 nice timing mickey :) Oct 23 10:31:43 heh, like i said, very soon now ;) Oct 23 10:32:33 the wonders of open development process :) Oct 23 10:32:42 i told my dad, i'll call him in a month, he was sceptical ;) Oct 23 10:33:03 how is the PhoneKit doing? Oct 23 10:33:19 abraxa_: why is media player so jumpy when it only appears to use about 33% cpu Oct 23 10:33:32 so i assume the Qtopia is more mature than open moko ? Oct 23 10:34:16 XorA, codecs ? Oct 23 10:35:21 but as i can see in screen shots the gui is ready Oct 23 10:35:28 Agiofws: the last I checked, the phone was mostly usable with qtopia. Oct 23 10:35:30 XorA: It's not jumpfy for me, however I haven't tried with a recent rootfs - maybe the settings mickey chose for the pulsesink are colliding with the settings the player forces... I'll look into it, thanks Oct 23 10:35:49 only reports from others since I don't have a neo myself Oct 23 10:36:00 abraxa_: it seems to pause for short periods, and occasionally you get a really distorted chunk Oct 23 10:36:14 abraxa_: I have have to investigate more later Oct 23 10:37:25 abraxa_: sound on Neo is stunning compared to my HTC wizard though :-) Oct 23 10:37:35 XorA: How so? Oct 23 10:38:05 abraxa_: its loud, not tinny Oct 23 10:38:19 Ahh, yep :) Oct 23 10:38:34 And let me know if/when you go about investigating, I'd like to assist Oct 23 10:38:47 * XorA hopes its not a driver :-) Oct 23 10:39:11 Jiten, you mean neo1973 was running on Qtopia ? Oct 23 10:39:40 Jiten, you run yours on what ? Oct 23 10:40:18 hardware on software ftw Oct 23 10:40:31 Agiofws: I just finished saying I don't have one (my last line actually) Oct 23 10:42:34 Agiofws: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_Neo_1973 Oct 23 10:47:17 ok, the icon bug has been fixed Oct 23 10:47:21 i introduced it Oct 23 10:47:23 :D Oct 23 10:48:21 Icon bug? Oct 23 10:48:22 (mediaplayer) works almost without stutters here Oct 23 10:48:27 Which one? ;) Oct 23 10:48:27 gsm icon was not getting updated Oct 23 10:48:30 oh Oct 23 10:48:54 * abraxa_ wonders what punishment looks like in the apartment Oct 23 10:49:34 seriously Oct 23 10:49:39 whips and stuff Oct 23 10:50:03 haha awesome Oct 23 10:54:45 did you know this Oct 23 10:54:47 Please note: Trolltech has sold out of Qtopia Greenphones and will not be producing more. To purchase phone hardware for Qtopia development, Trolltech suggests Open Moko's Neo 1973. Oct 23 10:54:58 nice Oct 23 10:55:06 ehe Oct 23 10:55:08 yum yum Oct 23 10:55:13 wonder why that happened Oct 23 10:55:23 * raster heard already, but still will do the dance of death Oct 23 10:56:42 that is unfortunate Oct 23 11:00:59 stefan_schmidt: Can I use the 7 patches you posted to the hardware list or did you update/merge them in the meanwhile? Oct 23 11:01:08 (regarding QVGA) Oct 23 11:02:03 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/eb2417ce2af500534379dc22cd3a455e.png Oct 23 11:02:06 abraxa_: Patches are already in the latest patchset in our svn Oct 23 11:03:15 mickey-tw: sux Oct 23 11:07:25 if a GPL code says "All Rights Reserved", can we quote it and still enhance it, and release it under GPL? Oct 23 11:08:14 All rights reserved under the terms of the GPL Oct 23 11:08:18 mbuf: if it says "All Rights Reserved", its not distributable Oct 23 11:08:22 mbuf: it sounds like the author wasn't thinking... if it says all rights reserved, it's not GPL... Oct 23 11:08:27 mbuf: apply cluestick to author Oct 23 11:08:30 mbuf: you should contact the author and get them to correct it Oct 23 11:08:34 lol, cluestick. yes :) Oct 23 11:08:40 heh :) Oct 23 11:08:54 Robot101, robtaylor ok Oct 23 11:09:29 Robot101, Robot101 in libgsmd-tool.c Oct 23 11:09:49 robtaylor, in libgsmd-tool.c Oct 23 11:10:16 mbuf: bot a websvn link to that? Oct 23 11:10:18 *got Oct 23 11:11:27 robtaylor, where do i look? it is in openmoko/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/util directory Oct 23 11:13:13 Robot101,mbuf: maybe Harald thinks that the gpl following the all rights reserved' implies a releasing of he rights he's previously reserved?! *shrug* Oct 23 11:14:02 robtaylor, so its ok to modify it and release it under GPL, right? Oct 23 11:14:13 stefan_schmidt: Ahh, nice. Can you give me a hint on how to switch terminal and enable graphics mode on it? The ioctl/termio man pages aren't too straightforward in that regard Oct 23 11:14:27 robtaylor, will shoot an e-mail, anyways Oct 23 11:15:03 i would have read it as meaning "i'm releasing it under GPL, but i still reserve the right to do whatever else i want with it" Oct 23 11:15:09 however IANAL :) Oct 23 11:15:11 mbuf: Yep, certainly ask for a clarification from the copyright holder Oct 23 11:15:23 robtaylor, thanks Oct 23 11:16:47 http://homepages.tesco.net/~J.deBoynePollard/FGA/law-copyright-all-rights-reserved.html Oct 23 11:16:51 interesting! Oct 23 11:17:08 abraxa_: chvt # Oct 23 11:17:27 abraxa_: X is on 3 IIRC, so you need to switch to another one Oct 23 11:17:32 yeah it's just something some people think they should put in there to assert their copyright Oct 23 11:17:46 and something that some companies put there to intimidate Oct 23 11:17:46 abraxa_: What do you mean with graphics mode? Oct 23 11:18:33 abraxa_: Enable graphics mode is just the fbset and echo and then use mplayer to output to fbdev Oct 23 11:19:06 alphaone: Ohh okay then Oct 23 11:19:16 Thanks guys :) Oct 23 11:19:34 No problem :-) Oct 23 11:19:48 Looking forward to the player Oct 23 11:24:44 Me, too ;) Oct 23 11:24:52 robtaylor, sent e-mail to openmoko-gsmd Oct 23 11:47:46 what could be the reason that lgsm_passthrough segfaults? Oct 23 11:55:42 how can i add a .Desktop file to autotools source package, and make it build with .bb to create a .ipk? Oct 23 12:00:52 hello guy!! 1 question....open moko have a gps reciver but where software available for navigation? Oct 23 12:02:21 federico: gpsdrive? navit? whatever FOSS projects on linux exists for that. Oct 23 12:05:07 LaF0rge: gpsdrive ....tomtom style Oct 23 12:07:21 anyway do not assume that you will get maps with it Oct 23 12:07:38 iirc only openstreetmaps are free to use and their coverage is low Oct 23 12:10:19 libjana ??? Oct 23 12:10:38 <_buz> are tomtom maps drm'ed or something? Oct 23 12:10:39 what about google maps? Oct 23 12:10:53 loufoque: you cant use them officially rather Oct 23 12:10:59 did somehting jst break :( Oct 23 12:10:59 <_buz> you can buy the maps alone, after all Oct 23 12:11:19 [2007-10-23 11:22:47] openmoko: Use libjana-gtk/libjana-ecal and put an analog clock on the main screen Oct 23 12:12:55 http://maps.google.com/help/terms_maps.html Oct 23 12:16:50 <_buz> google maps are useless for navigation Oct 23 12:17:14 <_buz> afaik you cant get them in vector form, anyway Oct 23 12:17:34 <_buz> besides without some meta data à la this is one way street, navigation is kinda hard Oct 23 12:18:01 hrw: I don't see anything that would prevent a phone from using it Oct 23 12:30:59 who boot Neo from SD? Oct 23 12:35:29 hi, i want to suggest this problem while upgrading Oct 23 12:35:31 Configuring openmoko-icon-theme-standard2 Oct 23 12:35:31 Failed to write hash table Oct 23 12:35:31 postinst script returned status 1 Oct 23 12:35:31 ERROR: openmoko-icon-theme-standard2.postinst returned 1 Oct 23 12:35:31 Nothing to be done Oct 23 12:37:55 just got a new apple bluetooth keyboard. Oct 23 12:38:00 gonna set it up with the neo1973...\ Oct 23 12:38:31 and...i can't hear the audio while using mediaplayer. Why? Oct 23 12:38:46 will qtopia replace openmoko, or you will just ignore it and keep going with gtk stuff? (Ignorant but curious user here) Oct 23 12:39:01 openmoko isn't going to be replaced by qtopia Oct 23 12:39:01 you can use either or.. Oct 23 12:39:07 but this is openmoko dev... Oct 23 12:39:07 they're both cross compatible Oct 23 12:39:12 which will continue Oct 23 12:39:21 me, personally, i'm sticking with gtk personally Oct 23 12:39:29 i don't like trolltech, nor qtopia. Oct 23 12:39:40 ehm, KDE user here... Oct 23 12:39:51 Could not open //usr/lib/ipkg/info/xserver-kdrive-common.list for writing: No space left on device Oct 23 12:39:51 there is no really good reason, other than packaging, that openmoko can't do as good a job as the qtopia images, as of right now Oct 23 12:39:55 argh.. Oct 23 12:39:58 but sad TT made qtopia GPL so late Oct 23 12:40:07 hrw: hah hah, you need a gta02 Oct 23 12:40:11 qtipia is further along - it's had a headstart... Oct 23 12:40:24 ScaredyCat: i don't think so, apart from the packaging issue Oct 23 12:40:28 qtopia even Oct 23 12:40:37 yes it is torpor... Oct 23 12:40:38 qtopia is well-integrated, OE hasn't got that luxury Oct 23 12:40:55 ScaredyCat: name a function that qtopia can do that OE can't Oct 23 12:41:07 qtopia's got 4 years head start Oct 23 12:41:10 just sad many efforts to produce more software instead of few software of better quality, I guess Oct 23 12:41:19 qtopia is ahead in packaging and not much else. Oct 23 12:41:22 torpor: you mean m not OE Oct 23 12:41:33 i.e. in CAD there are 10 FOSS programs, but no one decent ... Oct 23 12:41:33 'm'? Oct 23 12:41:44 om Oct 23 12:41:52 om=OE Oct 23 12:41:55 no Oct 23 12:41:59 yes Oct 23 12:42:01 no Oct 23 12:42:03 yes Oct 23 12:42:08 markit: You can always ask around in #qtopia too :) Oct 23 12:42:09 OM is openMoko Oct 23 12:42:15 oe is openembedded Oct 23 12:42:17 which is based on OE Oct 23 12:42:21 the two are different Oct 23 12:42:23 CM thanks for the tip Oct 23 12:42:27 bah Oct 23 12:42:27 om uses oe to build Oct 23 12:42:34 the difference is only in the *packaging* Oct 23 12:42:42 rubbish Oct 23 12:43:01 vciaglia: Did you hear anything from your speakers yet at all? If not, do an "alsactl -f /etc/stereoout.state restore" Oct 23 12:43:05 torpor: OE is a build system, OM a distro like Ångström or so Oct 23 12:43:10 what you're effectively saying is that oe=om=qtopia which is rubbish Oct 23 12:43:38 markit: qtopia has been gpl for years Oct 23 12:43:49 markit: it was just the phone specific stuff that wasn't until recently Oct 23 12:43:55 u_l-lap: parts of ir Oct 23 12:43:57 it Oct 23 12:44:06 u_l-lap: sure, but is the most important part for neo ;) Oct 23 12:44:32 markit: the neo only existed for about two months when they gpled the phone bits Oct 23 12:44:43 wtf! Oct 23 12:44:50 in any case, FOSS will die because of SW patents and restricted, not open standard :( sad days these days Oct 23 12:44:56 not counting the pre-public hardware Oct 23 12:45:04 * ScaredyCat thinks #openmoko has a distortion field around it Oct 23 12:45:05 markit: just ignore the patents Oct 23 12:45:26 u_l-lap: mm I asked about why not using qtopia long time ago, and I was told that was because was not a viable option not being GPL Oct 23 12:45:45 markit: because the phone bits were proprietary at the time Oct 23 12:46:11 markit: I think it is really more trolltech is a cathederal type deal Oct 23 12:48:48 unfortunatly I have to leave now Oct 23 12:49:05 thanks a lot for your work, I will buy one phone for sure as soon as stable Oct 23 12:49:18 see you later Oct 23 12:50:36 ScaredyCat: Hehe Oct 23 12:55:32 bah Oct 23 12:55:45 as long as there are more than one company making hardware, there will be F/OSS Oct 23 12:55:53 GPL exists in the space between hardware vendors. Oct 23 12:56:17 And in some countries we don't care much about silly patents.. Oct 23 12:56:36 * CM thinks parameter patents should be banned as well, not just software patents Oct 23 12:57:08 Hello! Oct 23 12:57:14 :) Oct 23 12:57:25 hardware patents too Oct 23 12:57:35 in fact, down with all information ownership! Oct 23 12:57:57 torpor: That's utopia and unlikely to happen any time soon, sadly ;) Oct 23 12:58:29 torpor: Btw, listen to this podcast: http://www.webdirections.org/resources/mark-pesce/ Oct 23 12:58:44 like well-functioning communism Oct 23 13:00:00 communism is not lack-of-info-ownership. Oct 23 13:00:06 CM: i don't do podcasts Oct 23 13:00:22 torpor: but it is unlikely to happen any time soon Oct 23 13:00:28 torpor: Too bad, you're missing out on a lot of stuff Oct 23 13:00:44 * CM doesn't like unnecessary limitations Oct 23 13:00:46 like what? Oct 23 13:01:28 Like ted-speaches, lug radio, open season.. :) Oct 23 13:01:41 bah Oct 23 13:01:48 i can see all that live. ;) Oct 23 13:01:59 Hrmpf.. Unfair! :P Oct 23 13:02:48 torpor: There's a transcript of that speech too, http://blog.futurestreetconsulting.com/?p=39 Oct 23 13:03:35 Anyway, he talks about "the mob" or "the network" routing around problems Oct 23 13:03:39 Or limits.. Oct 23 13:04:02 * CM gets back to work and stops highjacking the channel Oct 23 13:05:13 Yes. Work. On OM. Oct 23 13:05:13 xP Oct 23 13:05:20 * abraxa_ cracks his whip Oct 23 13:05:23 abraxa_: mplayer is nice. Oct 23 13:05:28 mediaplayer i mean Oct 23 13:05:35 Thanks, but not nice enough ;) Oct 23 13:05:37 been using it lately .. ;) Oct 23 13:07:03 <|R> How easy is it to share between OM and Maemo? Oct 23 13:07:54 |R: Depends on the program. If it's not Hildon specific it should be easy Oct 23 13:09:22 <|R> ok :) Oct 23 13:09:45 <|R> same goes for the OLPC without sugar? Oct 23 13:10:15 I'd guess so but I know nothing.. ;) Oct 23 13:10:18 can I use QEMU on OpenMoko? Oct 23 13:10:20 <|R> hehe :) Oct 23 13:10:26 sure Oct 23 13:10:27 just port it Oct 23 13:10:30 ;) Oct 23 13:12:29 Five thousands of U.S. dollars, please :D Oct 23 13:13:30 (http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=47195) Oct 23 13:21:41 coo - http://url.ie/6b1 - a thousand disassembled cell phones of every description running 24/7 for real-time remote testing. Oct 23 13:22:44 <|R> J-23: I'd take canadian $ right now if i were you ;) Oct 23 13:26:18 you know, if you could buy an olpc i think it would get much more community support Oct 23 13:26:41 oh wait, you can now? Oct 23 13:28:10 cjb_ie: I wonder how the phone's flash is handled between customer rentals... maybe you can find competitor programs on there, heh Oct 23 13:39:35 CM:ping Oct 23 13:40:40 ScaredyCat: Pong Oct 23 13:42:44 cjb_ie: I think we tried that out here Oct 23 13:42:47 kinda cool Oct 23 13:43:05 a lot easier when you've access to the hardware specs :-) Oct 23 13:43:52 although the iphone wasnt hooked in when we tested ;) Oct 23 13:44:00 just lots of motorola handsets basically Oct 23 13:47:06 we did not really know if they told the truth about it being "real" hardware though, so we just had to try connect phones via bluetooth and that of course worked Oct 23 13:47:42 for the harder cases they could always set up web cams facing the screens :-) Oct 23 13:47:53 CM: language wise how close is Finnish and Swedish .. Oct 23 13:48:10 ScaredyCat: far far far away Oct 23 13:48:11 ScaredyCat: тще фе фдд Oct 23 13:48:18 ScaredyCat: About as close as english and japanese Oct 23 13:48:20 finnish is like a pretend language to swedes ;) Oct 23 13:48:22 ScaredyCat: not at all ;) Oct 23 13:48:41 iirc the only language remotely similar to finnish is hungarian, and even that's not very close. Oct 23 13:48:53 lol - thanks Oct 23 13:49:23 (though someone said something to me about estonian before?) Oct 23 13:49:28 But the finns say that they have a lot of words of swedish descent, but I can't tell from seing or hearing it Oct 23 13:49:33 CM: somewhat closer, at least (almost)same alphabet Oct 23 13:49:44 cjb_ie: Estonian and finnish is a bit like swedish and danish Oct 23 13:49:55 At least that's what my ex used to say. :) Oct 23 13:50:25 how to list the files present in an .ipkg file? Oct 23 13:51:35 aloril, ipkg files Oct 23 13:51:38 CM: well, in denmark i got by quite well on swedish+dutch+german+english Oct 23 13:51:39 dpkg-deb -c ipk-file Oct 23 13:51:43 oops Oct 23 13:51:53 atul, ipkg files pkg Oct 23 13:51:58 jeddy3, thanks Oct 23 13:52:45 cjb_ie: All I have to do to sound danish is to take a huge spoon of sticky porridge in my mouth and only half swallow it, that's what it sounds to me.. Oct 23 13:53:00 * CM hides in case there's any danish people around. Oct 23 13:53:07 atul, no sorry, that displays the files in a installed package Oct 23 13:53:18 CM: to me it sounds like an english person who's never heard swedish, trying to read swedish out loud Oct 23 13:53:21 atul, what hrw said sounds reasonable Oct 23 13:53:36 jeddy3, that is what i wanted Oct 23 13:53:37 I use it ;) Oct 23 13:53:57 all the vowels are... strange Oct 23 13:54:32 CM: danish ~= swedish dialect with hot potatoe in mouth Oct 23 13:54:35 ;) Oct 23 13:54:38 just got an apple bluetooth keyboard trying to get it working with the neo1973.. Oct 23 13:54:53 zash: hehe.. You're not from Skåne either I guess.. ;) Oct 23 13:54:53 torpor: coul Oct 23 13:55:22 CM: no, AC Oct 23 13:55:49 zash: Heh, jag är från Uuuume ;) Oct 23 13:56:09 jäh, umeÃ¥ ftw Oct 23 13:56:42 gbg här (men ursprungligen från Gävle) Oct 23 13:57:09 faern: Heh, Jag bor i gbg nu men flyttar till sthlm om 2 månader Oct 23 13:57:09 I tried to speak Swedish in Norway, and people answered to me in English... should've tried Finnish... Oct 23 13:57:29 CM, nice Oct 23 13:57:30 <-sthlm, usprungligen borlänge :) Oct 23 13:57:45 CM, att du är här asså. inte att du ska dra :/ Oct 23 13:57:47 * jeddy3 joins the rest of the swedish Oct 23 13:58:01 jeddy3: Och sommarstuga i Högakusten precis som jag.. ;) Oct 23 13:58:11 indeed :D Oct 23 13:58:37 har farsa i gbg Oct 23 13:58:40 * CM notices a swedish channel highjack! Oct 23 13:58:49 yoink! Oct 23 13:59:00 * cjb_ie tycker 'batalyx' lÃ¥ter som 'battle-axe' Oct 23 14:00:52 :) Oct 23 14:00:59 cjb_ie: Hehe.. True (But I pictures a Hyrax) Oct 23 14:01:10 s/res/red/ Oct 23 14:01:10 CM meant: cjb_ie: Hehe.. True (But I pictured a Hyrax) Oct 23 14:01:16 :) 'batalyx' var en stjärna i en brian aldiss bökken, och en gammalt datorn spel. (possibly humiliating myself with my rusty Swedish skills) Oct 23 14:01:37 C64? Oct 23 14:01:42 ju visst Oct 23 14:01:48 * CM has some vague memories here.. Oct 23 14:01:51 :D Oct 23 14:04:52 hi Oct 23 14:06:24 okay, the apple bluetooth keyboard + neo works just fine. and it is *great*! Oct 23 14:06:38 sweet Oct 23 14:06:52 torpor: wow, sweet! Oct 23 14:06:56 torpor: Cool! Oct 23 14:07:08 i wonder if the logitech diNovo edge will work aswell then Oct 23 14:07:29 i know its obvious, but it just plain works. Oct 23 14:07:41 meus: Any bluetooth hid that works with bluez should work :) Oct 23 14:07:44 so i can now just carry around the neo and the keyboard. ;) well, once battery life is sorted that is .. Oct 23 14:07:52 CM: sweet. Oct 23 14:08:35 Hmm.. Would a bluetooth mouse work? Oct 23 14:09:37 i suppose i should get one and find out. ;) Oct 23 14:10:13 CM: oh, really?? kewl! That means that http://blog.russnelson.com/chordite will also work Oct 23 14:11:23 nelson: Sure. Cool thing btw.. Hmm... :) Oct 23 14:11:41 what a strange keyboard :) Oct 23 14:11:51 i guess these fold out keybarods could also be nice Oct 23 14:11:57 keyboards.. Oct 23 14:12:33 wow its really nice to play scummvm .. ;) Oct 23 14:13:30 :-) Oct 23 14:13:39 torpor: Day of the tentacle? Oct 23 14:14:15 dott! Oct 23 14:14:29 Sam & Max... :) Oct 23 14:14:30 meus: fold out keyboards have a usability problem. Oct 23 14:14:42 nelson: ok, in what way Oct 23 14:14:51 meus: in order to type, you need a flat surface on which to place the keyboard. Oct 23 14:15:06 and, in order to see the screen, you need to have something to put the device on, as well. Oct 23 14:15:07 nelson: ahhh Oct 23 14:15:22 So ... fold out keyboards are not mobile keyboads. They are portable keyboards. Oct 23 14:15:24 yeah I kinda agree on those observations Oct 23 14:15:51 the fold-out keyboard for the palm was a good solution Oct 23 14:15:57 if i inherit autotools, do i still need to add do_compile() for bitbake to build the executable? Oct 23 14:16:07 you could dial your phone with a chordite. Less plausible to use a fold-out keyboard for the same thing. Oct 23 14:16:10 mbug no Oct 23 14:16:14 ups mbuf Oct 23 14:16:18 mbuf: no. Oct 23 14:16:41 mbuf do_compile is to override the function to set some variables Oct 23 14:16:50 lilke BLA=moo oe_make() Oct 23 14:17:10 i have a few foldouts Oct 23 14:17:14 but i really love the apple keyboard Oct 23 14:17:20 i think its perfect for such devices as the neo Oct 23 14:17:35 wow, its a whole new machine with a keyboard. Oct 23 14:17:38 torpor the bt kb for the mac mini? Oct 23 14:17:53 woglinde, nelson my .bb is not creating the executable; what am I missing here? http://pastebin.ca/746800 Oct 23 14:18:38 mbuf whats the error? Oct 23 14:19:03 woglinde: this one: http://www.apple.com/keyboard/ Oct 23 14:19:14 woglinde, it builds with hello-dev_1.0-r0_armv4t.ipkg, hello-dbg, hello-doc; there is no executable generated Oct 23 14:19:35 mbuf than to it step by step Oct 23 14:19:40 and look whats happen Oct 23 14:19:54 mbuf: check this out: http://w1xer.de/OpenMoko_DevNotesDRAFT.txt Oct 23 14:19:55 bitbake bla -c unpack /patch/configure/compile Oct 23 14:20:07 do you have a do_install() phase? Oct 23 14:20:28 tropor with autotools its automagic Oct 23 14:21:02 woglinde: thats what i wrote in this draft .. Oct 23 14:21:57 torpor dont you want to help to get the oe-doku in better shape? Oct 23 14:22:05 what do you mean? Oct 23 14:22:09 that i'm not putting this on the wiki? Oct 23 14:22:21 this is just a draft for an article i'm in the process of writing, introducing openmoko .. Oct 23 14:23:06 http://www.openembedded.org/user-manual Oct 23 14:23:28 i might help add to that at some point, but i ant to cover a 'bootstrap' article first .. Oct 23 14:24:10 torpor ;) Oct 23 14:28:41 torpor: good stuff Oct 23 14:29:57 hm I should make a xteddy .bb Oct 23 14:31:02 torpor: Nice work! :) Oct 23 14:31:39 torpor for pkgconfig there is an inherit too Oct 23 14:31:49 but I have to look what it really does Oct 23 14:32:31 mickey-tw: thx Oct 23 14:32:33 CM: thx Oct 23 14:32:55 http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/classes/pkgconfig.bbclass Oct 23 14:32:58 ah Oct 23 14:33:25 Has anyone here been able to run openmoko in qemu lately? Oct 23 14:33:41 Yes, I was running it yesterday. Oct 23 14:33:55 For me it borks and hangs completely when starting X, but I suspect it's something with the modem Oct 23 14:33:56 Off an image built on Thursday. Oct 23 14:34:02 *nod* Oct 23 14:34:15 That was yesterday Oct 23 14:34:30 morning Oct 23 14:34:41 rwhitby: Hiya :) Oct 23 14:34:58 midori should be fixed now - I submitted an OE bug report and koen fixed it overnight. Oct 23 14:35:15 (just building to test now) Oct 23 14:35:35 * CM updates and starts a make all Oct 23 14:35:49 le trötthet Oct 23 14:36:24 of DOOM! Oct 23 14:37:07 * rwhitby flies back to Australia today - woohoo! Oct 23 14:37:16 fly well. Oct 23 14:37:34 are you using an airplane or are you flapping very hard? Oct 23 14:38:05 only 31 hours door to door. Oct 23 14:38:07 heh Oct 23 14:38:12 31 hours, jesus wept Oct 23 14:38:27 AUS->ORD->SFO->SYD->ADL Oct 23 14:38:31 31 hours Oct 23 14:39:54 OMG IPHONE!!! Oct 23 14:49:57 It's not a micro SD, but still cool: http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/34463/118/ Oct 23 14:51:44 hmm, thought there was an sdio-wifi card out before now with integrated storage Oct 23 14:51:59 sandisk. Oct 23 14:52:19 does this do it independently of the OS or something? Oct 23 14:52:33 it looks like yes. Oct 23 14:53:13 now that *is* interesting Oct 23 14:53:47 i couldn't get that sandisk to work and afaik there is no way or driver for linux yet Oct 23 14:55:29 ewon: Read the first comment here: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/wireless/eye+fi-wi+fi-sd-card-gets-fcc-approval-313713.php Oct 23 14:57:04 ewon: Sounds like it's just copying over stuff from the card to some disk continously. Wonder how and where.. :) Oct 23 14:59:06 I saw something about having to run it in your PC first. Oct 23 14:59:37 if I were them, I'd have a bit of read-only flash which contains the PC (Windows, sigh) driver. Oct 23 15:07:02 I love parents... my mom opens Opera, it says "A new version of Opera is available. Do you want to update?" and the first thing she asks is "Does it cost anything?" Oct 23 15:08:43 my father is still suspicious of the fact that it doesn't cost more to view websites in countries further away Oct 23 15:09:08 abraxa so your mom learned you how to use money Oct 23 15:10:03 hehe Oct 23 15:10:04 abraxa_: only one soul Oct 23 15:10:22 ewon: well, it doesn't cost _him_ more :-) Oct 23 15:10:53 XorA: I do love Opera but I don't love Opera *that* much ;) Oct 23 15:11:49 abraxa_: 12 years ago or so I told my mom I was going to bike to the store in town and get the drivers for the modem, and she replied "Can you carry them on your bike?" :D Oct 23 15:12:15 rofl Oct 23 15:12:30 "they'll drive me back" ;) Oct 23 15:12:46 But at least the she says "Click on Internet" and points to "the fox thing" :) Oct 23 15:14:39 CM: it took me about a year to figure out the icon was actually of a fox Oct 23 15:14:47 thought it was just a sort of orange swirl Oct 23 15:15:05 don't they have foxes in Ireland? Oct 23 15:15:37 sure, but it doesn't translate that well to a little icon. Oct 23 15:15:48 squeeze them harder. Oct 23 15:17:32 nelson: and they tend to be mangey scrawny things rather than the paragon of fox-ness that the FF logo is Oct 23 15:17:33 cjb_ie: All swedish foxes look just like that! I never understood what the blue ball they were playing with was though.. :P Oct 23 15:18:42 i saw it as an orange blob with some blue spilled on it Oct 23 15:19:09 that a fox? Oct 23 15:19:50 I thought it was a flaming whoooosh Oct 23 15:19:53 apparently :-) Oct 23 15:20:11 for you, XorA, it can be a flaming whoooosh. Oct 23 15:20:14 * XorA looks at firefox.com and yes you can vaguely see a nose Oct 23 15:20:23 lol Oct 23 15:20:29 bean powered foxes Oct 23 15:21:03 how is it possible not to see it's a fox. look at the about dialog. there is a big version Oct 23 15:21:26 faern: who looks in the about dialog? Oct 23 15:21:51 me everytime I upgrade :P Oct 23 15:22:09 * XorA is on ubuntu so ubuntu replaced the default page Oct 23 15:22:39 bah. pure evil Oct 23 15:23:22 looks like ubuntu inc. rather Oct 23 16:11:02 It's a fox humping the Earth, of course. Oct 23 16:11:56 your dirty mind caused a netsplit Oct 23 16:12:12 through time, apparently! Oct 23 16:12:38 :) Oct 23 16:15:00 hi ScaredyCat . Is there any sound working on the ficphone yet with the latest source? Oct 23 16:20:01 goxboxlive: Yes, sound has always been working Oct 23 16:20:43 woohoo! openmoko-feed now builds again. Oct 23 16:21:33 abraxa_: i posted in wrong channel, i ment Qtopia on the Ficphone Oct 23 16:21:54 goxboxlive: Ah :) Oct 23 16:24:27 mwester: your kernel is much better that the one I had. Oct 23 16:50:25 hello guys :) Oct 23 16:51:20 I need to alter that splash picture that comes up while booting / or shutdown Oct 23 16:51:32 why? Oct 23 16:51:44 is ist just a picture or do I have to compile it into the kernel? Oct 23 16:52:02 psplash is a userspace program Oct 23 16:52:05 openmoko: 03chris * r3257 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (ChangeLog src/today-main.c): Oct 23 16:52:05 openmoko: * src/today-main.c: (set_time_idle): Oct 23 16:52:05 openmoko: Return FALSE instead of TRUE so the callback doesn't get added more Oct 23 16:52:05 openmoko: and more over time Oct 23 16:52:10 well - my boss would like to have some nice graphics there Oct 23 16:52:22 so you don't think the openmoko logo is nice? :D Oct 23 16:52:43 me - i dont care Oct 23 16:52:56 right. well, have a look at the psplash recipe Oct 23 16:53:07 do you kown where it is? Oct 23 16:53:08 and/or look at projects.o-hand.com -> psplash Oct 23 16:53:21 psplash? Oct 23 16:53:55 yes, psplash Oct 23 16:54:08 that's the name of the program that shows the init splash Oct 23 16:55:46 one of the ilug guys was cursing about psplash on ubuntu gutsy choosing a video mode that made his machine unusable 'til power cycle. Oct 23 16:56:02 ok it says that " Its visual look is configurable by basic source changes. " - what does that mean? Oct 23 16:56:27 you compile the image into a .h file Oct 23 16:56:31 with some tool they provide Oct 23 16:57:11 so its in a c header file? - then i have to build it Oct 23 16:57:15 right? Oct 23 16:57:23 ya Oct 23 16:57:31 where can i find the picture Oct 23 16:57:46 or the psplash? Oct 23 16:57:54 in OE Oct 23 16:57:59 (openembedded.org) Oct 23 16:58:17 i have the complete development envioremnt Oct 23 16:58:30 packages/psplash/... Oct 23 17:02:16 well there is a "psplash-bar-img.h" Oct 23 17:02:34 yes Oct 23 17:02:48 i don't have the source image handy that was used to generate that Oct 23 17:03:09 see the psplash readme for details Oct 23 17:04:22 http://svn.o-hand.com/repos/misc/trunk/psplash/README Oct 23 17:04:31 this Readme? Oct 23 17:04:50 doesnt say anything Oct 23 17:05:05 RalphEichelberge: Hehe, was just about to say "not that verbose.." :) Oct 23 17:06:19 header files say /* GdkPixbuf RGBA C-Source image dump 1-byte-run-length-encoded */ Oct 23 17:06:34 so I'd look into gdkpixpuf :) Oct 23 17:06:41 And make-image-header.sh seems to make one of those ;) Oct 23 17:08:08 CM: my psplash in OE seems sparser than that (no such sh-file) Oct 23 17:08:13 Kero: gdk-pixbuf-csource, to be precise Oct 23 17:08:40 RalphEichelberge: you can take a look at psplash_svn.bb Oct 23 17:08:56 Kero: I looked at the repo: http://svn.o-hand.com/repos/misc/trunk/psplash/make-image-header.sh Oct 23 17:09:00 hehe. I removed psplash completely. I want to see my kernel f*ck up. Oct 23 17:10:47 Oohhh.. Shiny: http://chrislord.net/images/openmoko-today-digital.png Oct 23 17:11:28 * SpeedEvil cues up the Douglas Adams quote. Oct 23 17:11:41 The rounded grey corners look so-so though with the white sharp cornesr behind Oct 23 17:11:49 allright thanks Oct 23 17:11:57 i got a go now Oct 23 17:12:19 Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the Western Spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small unregarded yellow sun. Orbiting this at a distance of roughly ninety-eight million miles is an utterly insignificant little blue-green planet whose ape-descended life forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea. Oct 23 17:12:59 SpeedEvil: Hehe Oct 23 17:13:16 * CM want's a binary clock.. :P Oct 23 17:13:23 You can buy them. Oct 23 17:13:31 I know, but I meant on the phone Oct 23 17:13:34 :) Oct 23 17:13:35 yeah. Oct 23 17:13:42 I want an e-ink back. Oct 23 17:13:45 CM you can program them. Oct 23 17:13:57 cjb_ie: True too.. Hmm.. ;) Oct 23 17:14:09 But not right now Oct 23 17:14:24 my digital watch is a Neo1973, why do you ask? Oct 23 17:14:39 * CM is off to help a friend order from digitalo.de (Er sprecht kein deutsch! Schrecklish..) Oct 23 17:14:44 (well, my digital watch *should* be my Neo1973) Oct 23 17:19:57 mickey-tw: thanks Oct 23 17:20:16 openmoko: 03chris * r3258 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (ChangeLog src/today-main.c src/today.h): Oct 23 17:20:16 openmoko: * src/today-main.c: (digital_clock_notify), (main): Oct 23 17:20:16 openmoko: * src/today.h: Oct 23 17:20:16 openmoko: Listen to /desktop/poky/interface/digital_clock to determine whether Oct 23 17:20:16 openmoko: to display a digital or analogue clock Oct 23 17:20:41 it's almost like a coincidence... Oct 23 17:21:56 encompass: :) welcome to #openmoko Oct 23 17:22:27 encompass: :) Oct 23 17:23:21 Ohh, a fellow SoCler Oct 23 17:23:34 hehe, no worries. however he's not supposed to give people that password :) Oct 23 17:23:54 abraxa_: hey, how did you know that! Oct 23 17:24:17 encompass: I saw your name on the payment list before ;) Oct 23 17:25:22 abraxa_: hehe yeah Oct 23 18:03:30 * mypapit offline!! Oct 23 18:24:04 openmoko: 03mickey * r3259 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/pixmaps/wallpaper.png: artwork: add wallpaper for today Oct 23 19:00:46 /server scinet.supercomp.org Oct 23 19:04:42 im back with dumb questions,would it be possible to put windows mobile on the neo1973? Oct 23 19:07:29 SrRaven: Yes, though anyone who does that could face severe punishment from the linux community ;) Oct 23 19:08:00 linux dont have good tomtom :P Oct 23 19:08:21 Then buy a windows mobile phone, it'll be cheaper Oct 23 19:09:03 a windows mobile that got a big nice screen,supports tomtom and cheaper than the neo1973 ? Oct 23 19:09:05 doubt it :P Oct 23 19:09:52 Alright, your choice :) Oct 23 19:10:24 how about OS X ;P Oct 23 19:10:36 enjahova: AIX :P Oct 23 19:10:41 Or solaris ;) Oct 23 19:20:14 tomtom has a good linux version, they just dont sell it Oct 23 19:20:23 without hardware that is Oct 23 19:21:45 XorA|gone: You around by chance? Oct 23 19:25:57 hi all Oct 23 19:26:09 i gotta say: neo with apple keyboard == great! :) Oct 23 19:26:18 hiho torpor Oct 23 19:35:44 torpor: how'd you get that connected up? USB hub? Oct 23 19:36:04 kousu: bluetooth! :) Oct 23 19:51:50 openmoko: 03abraxa * r3260 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/ (52 files in 3 dirs): Oct 23 19:51:50 openmoko: Fix alignment of label #2 when #1 is hidden (frame surrounding label #1 was still visible) Oct 23 19:51:50 openmoko: Drop now unneeded images Oct 23 19:51:50 openmoko: Add GConf support, part I Oct 23 21:00:05 hey guys.. Oct 23 21:00:26 is there an end user phone yet? Oct 23 21:00:41 nope Oct 23 21:00:48 damn. Oct 23 21:01:39 you can help speed it by getting what's currently available and helping out :-) Oct 23 21:02:11 if i had time and/or was a programmer i would Oct 23 21:02:48 money is enough to get a cool toy :-) Oct 23 21:03:17 i already have a nokia n95 Oct 23 21:03:25 it is pretty damn cool Oct 23 21:03:33 can't be Oct 23 21:03:41 is be Oct 23 21:03:56 well ok, it's from finland and all :-) Oct 23 21:04:16 but it's not Open Oct 23 21:04:27 no, not open. Oct 23 21:04:31 but is cool as hell. Oct 23 21:04:40 wifi, gps, fm tuner Oct 23 21:04:42 etc etc Oct 23 21:04:48 5 megapixal camera Oct 23 21:05:51 ph|ber: Now you're just bragging. :-) Oct 23 21:05:59 im building with the mokomakefile and i get: File "/home/donp/src/moko/bitbake/lib/bb/persist_data.py", line 66, in delDomain: self.connection.execute("DROP TABLE IF EXISTS %s;" % domain): pysqlite2.dbapi2.OperationalError: near "EXISTS": syntax error Oct 23 21:06:03 stating the facts mam.. Oct 23 21:06:23 How's the touch screen on that N95? Oct 23 21:06:53 no touch. Oct 23 21:06:56 dont want a touch Oct 23 21:07:32 Sure you don't... :-) Oct 23 21:08:02 i dont Oct 23 21:09:55 what lies Oct 23 21:11:17 don-o: Maybe update your pysqlite package? Oct 23 21:11:53 abraxa_: maybe. it looks like domain = "" Oct 23 21:12:05 abraxa_: a config setting i havent set, perhaps Oct 23 23:32:58 hi this is my 1st time on a openmoko forum..... have a few qns .... Oct 23 23:33:46 i want to play with a openmoko device and wanna buy one .... but is the gta02 version coming out soon (in which case i would like to wait and get the better device)? Oct 23 23:34:09 debo: it is unclear when gta02 will be for sale Oct 23 23:34:18 debo: also, check the topic Oct 23 23:35:24 thanks .... sorry .... also with the current one, can i actually use the device on a daily basis for phone and gps related stuff (want to do some experiments and maybe help in the dev :) Oct 23 23:36:00 debo: i cant say for sure. i dont have a gta01. im pretty sure its not ready for daily use. Oct 23 23:36:32 hmmm .... how do you dev without a real gta01. Don, do you have a emulator for this? Oct 23 23:36:57 you can use qemu Oct 23 23:37:20 debo: check out the FAQ Oct 23 23:37:21 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ Oct 23 23:37:24 debo: there is a good emulator. Oct 23 23:37:31 * LarstiQ can make phonecalls just fine, but isn't using it as his main phone just yet.. Oct 23 23:38:12 thanks folks ... Oct 23 23:39:20 debo: the currently-available device is not usable either as a phone or gps device at present. Oct 23 23:39:22 does the agps module work well.... can i 1) read my current location and 2) send it out to another homing server using GPRS? Oct 23 23:39:34 ok Oct 23 23:39:42 then i need to wait for gta02? Oct 23 23:39:58 It's not a hardware issue so much as a software issue right now. Oct 23 23:40:12 I see Oct 23 23:41:08 LarstiQ: why aren't you using it as your main phone? Oct 23 23:42:20 I know I am sounding silly but I was looking for a device with GPS and some form of internet connectivity through GPRS. Of course it needs to be open to some decent degress and I was very excited to read all about openmoko etc :) Oct 23 23:42:45 Well, that's what the device will be able to do, as soon as some software issues are worked out. :) Oct 23 23:43:18 I guess :) Is tehre a page where I can read off the current status instead of bugging folks out here Oct 23 23:43:35 loufoque: Mainly because of sms. If that is done I can live with the small bugs. Oct 23 23:44:16 LarstiQ: how long does it stay charged? Oct 23 23:44:26 i mean, how long does the battery last? Oct 23 23:44:37 debo: you could monitor CIA, the wiki, planet, etc Oct 23 23:44:39 heya behdad Oct 23 23:45:03 debo: it can't do GRPS Oct 23 23:45:07 loufoque: I haven't done scientific tests, but today it still had power after and 9+ hour workday Oct 23 23:45:16 hey LarstiQ Oct 23 23:45:51 loufoque: then how does one transmit data? Oct 23 23:46:07 LarstiQ: that's impressive. Most folks are finding 3 - 4 hours max -- do you have power management working, then? Oct 23 23:46:20 behdad: I just ran 12to13.py trying to learn cairo, thanks :) Oct 23 23:46:22 LArstiq: do you use ATT or tmobile to make calls? Oct 23 23:46:54 debo: KPN (I'm across the atlantic) Oct 23 23:47:01 debo: oh, and Vodaphone Oct 23 23:47:08 ooops! sorry .... Oct 23 23:47:15 debo: oops yes it does, I thought I had read EDGE Oct 23 23:47:22 mwester-road: I haven't done anything special, it's set to No PM though Oct 23 23:47:40 ok .... so right now, the phone works and the gps? Oct 23 23:48:05 "phone works" is an overstatement Oct 23 23:48:08 you might get lucky Oct 23 23:48:37 I am asking all these stupid qns to figure out whether I should buy a GTA01 now or just wait a bit :) I know folks are working very hard to get it done ..... Oct 23 23:48:39 gta-01 gps pending legalese for the proprietary gps daemon (which will not be necessary on gta-02) Oct 23 23:49:35 mwester-road: well, unless you count flashing a kernel built by alphaone (iirc) that should have the fix to not keep the WM8753 powered. Oct 23 23:49:41 so it doesnt run gpsd? Oct 23 23:50:08 mjr: what do you mean with lucky? Oct 23 23:50:58 The gps hardware in the current device is closed and requires a proprietary driver, which has not been released. If that driver were available, then gpsd would run. Oct 23 23:51:08 debo, I'm not sure what's the canonical gps daemon plan right now; it may be gpsd, but it'll need a preprocessor of sorts Oct 23 23:51:28 Sigh - why is the build suddenly downloading qtopia? Oct 23 23:51:58 mjr: has anyone talked to the gps chip using openmoko as yet Oct 23 23:52:04 yes Oct 23 23:52:50 In the interest of full disclosure, that "yes" should be "yes, but the binary driver to do so is not available at present". Oct 23 23:53:09 legally, anyway Oct 23 23:53:20 LarstiQ: glad you liked it Oct 23 23:53:30 :) I don't discuss non-legal options, at least on IRC :) Oct 23 23:53:51 ok got it :) Oct 23 23:53:59 as far as i know, there will be a solution to the global locate agps used in gta01, but it's a hack (the chroot one) Oct 23 23:54:00 i guess the gta02 wont have these issues Oct 23 23:54:46 It won't have that issue, but as most of the issues are software ones, the new hardware won't magically solve them either Oct 23 23:54:58 one would hope though that by the time it's out the software is more mature also Oct 23 23:55:04 but we wont have the driver issues with teh gps, right? Oct 23 23:55:11 If someone would pay the d**#(*&%# lawyers to get them off their fat butts, then maybe, just maybe, a driver of sorts will be available for the current hardware. There's a lot of people who are pretty unhappy about that situation. Oct 23 23:55:18 debo, correct Oct 23 23:55:41 it'll spew out nmea over serial Oct 23 23:56:00 the problems with the gsm chip are pretty sad Oct 23 23:56:09 by this time those should've been solved Oct 23 23:56:11 totally sad. Oct 23 23:56:12 i was trying to hunt for devices and the openmoko seems ideal (iphone doesnt have gps, nokia 810 doesnt have gsm) .... now need to wait for the community to deliver the cool platform :) Oct 23 23:56:31 debo: let's keep our fingers crossed Oct 23 23:57:00 i just took delivery today of a treo 680 which i should hopefully get talking to a bluetooth gps soon Oct 23 23:57:08 i guess i could have tried to use the iphone for my pranks if it had the gps :) ...... but i prefer to go completely open if possible Oct 23 23:57:23 debo: it's got all the right stuff, the main problem is the lawyers. If the community had the GPS driver, and if we had a copy of the GSM modem documentation, we'd have most of the issues worked out long ago. Oct 23 23:57:24 will the 680 run openmoko? Oct 23 23:58:06 debo: not that i know of, though some people have booted linux on its siblings Oct 23 23:59:36 mwester-road: i can imagine that .... but what would be the best thing ... suppose i want some device to read my location and tell my home computer that i was there at this time ...... thats all i want to do ...... and it would be great if i could make phone calls then i could only carry this one device ..... everything else for me is a bonus :) Oct 24 00:00:39 if i have to do some oss dev in my free time, i am game but then which device? thats what has been bugging me for this personal project Oct 24 00:01:14 the openmoko certainly has by far the most community behind it, and support from hardware developers Oct 24 00:01:32 Of public projects. Oct 24 00:01:39 gphone, ... who knows. Oct 24 00:01:41 some reverse engineering still required due to uncooperative IC suppliers et al Oct 24 00:01:55 yeah. gphone is very much a dark horse. Oct 24 00:01:57 yeah i am sure google folks are working hard Oct 24 00:02:06 gphone, probably proprietary since they want to force ads on users Oct 24 00:02:07 maybe it will run ubuntu mobile Oct 24 00:02:13 who knows :) Oct 24 00:02:56 but mjr sleep now Oct 24 00:03:45 bye mjr! Oct 24 00:04:04 SpeedEvil: any ideas? Oct 24 00:04:12 or anyone? Oct 24 00:04:50 I can code in C and possibly in others with the manual beside me :) so if there is a way for me to do some coding and getting my project off the ground, it would be great! Oct 24 00:05:09 certainly Oct 24 00:06:20 The business logic part is pretty much as you'd code any *nix app. The GUI, of course, has to take into account the small screen and high DPI. Oct 24 00:06:48 ok .... but I want to just write a background process to read the gps and send a message Oct 24 00:06:50 to my home pc Oct 24 00:06:59 so i dont need a gui .... not right now Oct 24 00:07:05 (and use the moko libs perhaps for that) Oct 24 00:07:11 debo: im working on the same thing to track my bicycle Oct 24 00:07:18 :) Oct 24 00:07:31 for me its my wife's car :) Oct 24 00:07:38 just kidding Oct 24 00:08:03 you can just pretty much prototype your software using gpsd and standard networking, writing it as you'd any *nix app Oct 24 00:08:31 and then there's qemu, for the patient Oct 24 00:08:43 yes .... so all i need is a working setup with gpsd + the gps driver (dont care for oss as long as it works with gpsd) Oct 24 00:08:51 right? Oct 24 00:08:54 you might want to add later a feature that pokes the gprs on and perhaps off when necessary, but the gsmd doesn't yet support gprs anyway so you can't do that properly yet Oct 24 00:09:05 'right Oct 24 00:09:51 that should be pretty much it, though as said, I'm not certain what's gonna be the official way to get gps positions on the neo. Might be dbus queries... Oct 24 00:10:07 I haven't followed that too closely, may be they've decided on something Oct 24 00:10:14 anyone? Oct 24 00:10:29 thanks a lot mjr Oct 24 00:10:40 lets see what others say Oct 24 00:12:37 anyway, that's one of the nice things about the neo; it's a small gnu/linux box, you don't have to jump through hoops to get your usual *nix software on it. Oct 24 00:13:02 thats exactly why i am so excited about the neo and bugging everyone around here :) Oct 24 00:13:53 anyway, where was I, oh yeah, going to sleep Oct 24 00:13:57 :) Oct 24 00:16:25 anyone who can shed some light on my doubt? Oct 24 00:18:35 i would've guessed gpsd as there's lots of software out there already that talks to it Oct 24 00:19:55 cjb_ie: true but we cant talk to teh gps chip on neo .... so thats an issue Oct 24 00:20:44 mjr: gpsd reportedly. Oct 24 00:21:01 debo: right, but it's a more open chipset on the next hardware rev Oct 24 00:21:01 mjr: though that's been in for some time. Oct 24 00:21:12 cjb_ie: no, it's not. Oct 24 00:21:19 cjb_ie: it's just more cooked output. Oct 24 00:21:23 ok Oct 24 00:21:40 SpeedEvil: well, in the sense that it's not binary driver encumbered, i thought? Oct 24 00:21:49 cjb_ie: true in that sense. Oct 24 00:24:00 cant we get the boniary driver like we get from nvidia Oct 24 00:24:12 who wants binary drivers? Oct 24 00:24:18 binary drivers suck Oct 24 00:24:45 debo: yes - for the current device 'real soon now' Oct 24 00:25:02 debo: the code is written, it's awaiting a lawyer with a really slow rubberstamp. Oct 24 00:26:57 :) Oct 24 00:29:09 is openmoko compatible with imcosys Oct 24 00:29:12 a swiss phone Oct 24 00:30:52 seems it runs linux : Oct 24 00:31:04 Well... Oct 24 00:31:10 There is runs linux, and runs linux. Oct 24 00:31:11 but vapourware? Oct 24 00:31:23 or am i thinking of the road s101 Oct 24 00:31:30 It can for example be completely locked down so you can't install stuff on it, but still run linux. Oct 24 00:31:43 agreed Oct 24 01:08:26 Hi all. I'm looking for the MMC kernel module but I can't find it. Oct 24 01:08:59 I'm not able to mount /mnt/card because /dev/mmcblk0p1 doesn't exist, and I presume this is because the .ko isn't loaded? Oct 24 01:17:30 kousu: it should autoload. Oct 24 01:17:42 kousu: you are sure that the microSD is in fact correctly in place? Oct 24 01:18:11 ..no. Let me check. Oct 24 01:21:32 the socket isx stupidly fiddly Oct 24 02:35:20 hi mickey-tw Oct 24 02:35:27 morning ljp Oct 24 02:41:12 hows asia? Oct 24 02:57:14 You are already awake mickey-tw ? Damn, I'm still up. Coding Oct 24 02:57:30 Oh but asia is a different timezone Oct 24 02:58:05 Right, it's only 5'O. Few, I was almost worried I stayed up all night **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Oct 24 02:59:57 2007