**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 29 02:59:56 2007 Oct 29 03:37:44 openmoko: 03mickey * r3295 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-usb/ (ChangeLog configure.ac src/openmoko-panel-usb.c): openmoko-panel-usb: add USB debug code Oct 29 04:14:59 n8 Oct 29 04:18:40 Any neat changes in the status of OpenMoko on the neo that aren't on the page? I don't think that it is out of date really, I was just hoping that maybe there was something cool that didn't make it there yet. Oct 29 04:20:19 I want to get one but don't see myself doing alot of development on it atm so I will probably wait for the consumer release sometime next year. Oct 29 04:20:43 Plus the wifi is a big feature for me Oct 29 05:26:48 * CM yawns Oct 29 05:45:21 morgan Oct 29 05:45:40 morgan Oct 29 07:25:00 * * OM Bug 966 has been created by gnomecn(AT)gmail.com Oct 29 07:25:02 * * Compile error: too few arguments to function 'omp_playback_set_volume' Oct 29 07:25:03 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=966 Oct 29 07:25:13 has anyone else had issues flashing? Oct 29 07:25:30 i was able to nand erase clean rootfs and kernel... but now i can't flash it Oct 29 07:28:41 may i ask why what keeps you from using dfu-util? Oct 29 07:29:04 daMaestro: Did you accidently do "nand erase" only? Oct 29 07:30:06 mickey-tw, i am .. i'll check my irc logs for the paste with info Oct 29 07:30:08 CM, nope Oct 29 07:30:21 the kernel transfers correctly Oct 29 07:30:29 * daMaestro checks the latests rootfs image Oct 29 07:31:10 mickey-tw: Is has there been any issues at all with u-boot lately? I mean the last week or so? Oct 29 07:31:26 s/Is has/Has Oct 29 07:31:37 apart from the booting issue, i no nothing major Oct 29 07:31:45 then again, i'm not following u-boot very closely Oct 29 07:31:46 Ok, I'll give it a try then Oct 29 07:31:52 yessssssss.. i just pulled the latests image.. it seems to be transfering now Oct 29 07:32:03 latest* Oct 29 07:32:07 I need the default USB console :) Oct 29 07:32:40 http://nopaste.com/p/aGxuNf0N3 was the issue i was dealing with Oct 29 07:32:50 * daMaestro looks more for the error messages from dfu-util Oct 29 07:33:42 daMaestro: if its the 22nd image I couldn't get it to work Oct 29 07:34:07 daMaestro, ssh doesn't seem to work Oct 29 07:34:25 Oryn, i think it was (and i think that is what i just grabbed also) Oct 29 07:34:39 but the error was something about the image was too large for the space on nand Oct 29 07:34:39 is it possible to use a own local repository, built with Mokomakefile, as ipkg repository for OM? Oct 29 07:35:04 daMaestro, did you erase your nand? Oct 29 07:35:11 Oryn, yes Oct 29 07:35:19 jeddy3: sure. just adjust /etc/ipkg/*.conf appropriately Oct 29 07:35:24 oh, it fits fine here Oct 29 07:35:35 it's actually transferring today :-D Oct 29 07:36:13 daMaestro, the problem with the 17th and 19th is related to librarys Oct 29 07:36:56 daMaestro, they are somehow empty directories rather than links Oct 29 07:37:59 I think there is a problem with the scripts used to generate the images Oct 29 07:39:21 anyone had any problems flashing their moko via a usb hub? Oct 29 07:39:58 Oryn, very much so Oct 29 07:42:32 daMaestro, thats not good, I want to setup a build environment on my server (which lives in my attic due to it being ultra noisy) usb is only available with a 10 metre extension, which has 2 active elements Oct 29 07:43:07 so, why use usb? why not use ethernet? Oct 29 07:43:13 daMaestro, I'm using a sunray terminal to talk to it Oct 29 07:43:38 i'm sorry Oct 29 07:43:48 daMaestro, wheres the eternet port on the open moko? Oct 29 07:43:55 mickey-tw, does mokomafile/openembedded automagically create ipkgs and packages.gz? Oct 29 07:43:57 ethernet* Oct 29 07:44:18 no, i don't mean connect the neo to your server.. i mean connect it to your local machine and just use ipkg Oct 29 07:44:21 jeddy3: yes. Oct 29 07:44:33 jeddy3: openembedded does, either when you bitbake foo-image, or when you call bitbake package-index Oct 29 07:45:09 daMaestro, my local machine doesn't support ACM devices Oct 29 07:45:30 it being a thin client :P Oct 29 07:46:01 mickey-tw, Pengu1n, ah nice Oct 29 07:52:49 ok! Oct 29 07:52:52 holy moly. Oct 29 07:53:39 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01.jffs2 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/uImage-neo1973-latest.bin "fresh after flash... made a call and everything worked" Oct 29 07:53:40 good work Oct 29 07:53:51 :) Oct 29 07:54:17 openmoko: 03mickey * r3296 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/include/gsmd/Makefile.am: gsmd: install ts0705 and ts0707 header files, they're now required. Oct 29 07:54:19 daMaestro: glad to hear Oct 29 07:54:37 like i said in my blog, it's almost there Oct 29 07:54:57 yes, it's getting there Oct 29 07:54:57 please share your findings Oct 29 07:55:06 we need a bit more positive news Oct 29 07:55:11 after all the complaints ; Oct 29 07:55:11 ) Oct 29 07:55:36 i'll eventually get my blog up.. i'm waiting to move a customer site from plone to django so i can upgrade to plone 3 Oct 29 07:55:50 "back up" i should say Oct 29 07:56:34 mickey-tw, .. btw, http://damaestro.us/photography Oct 29 07:57:03 ah cool Oct 29 07:59:22 does anyone know what i need to install on the neo to use sqlite in a program? Oct 29 08:03:28 wowzers ... and ipkg update && ipkg upgrade actually worked first time Oct 29 08:03:44 openmoko: 03mickey * r3297 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/include/gsmd/Makefile.am: gsmd: install ts0707 and ts0705 headers Oct 29 08:10:25 daMaestro: are you able to do an 'ipkg list_installed' on a brand new system and put it up somewhere? Oct 29 08:11:23 xzcvczx, http://nopaste.com/p/a8YP0OOlW Oct 29 08:11:28 thanks Oct 29 08:11:34 hmm for some reason, feedreader isn't working Oct 29 08:18:39 daMaestro: that ones unmodified? Oct 29 08:19:21 xzcvczx, just pulled it from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/ and ran an ipkg update && ipkg upgrade Oct 29 08:19:31 ok Oct 29 08:19:58 whats the space free on the flash? Oct 29 08:20:30 i just shut it down Oct 29 08:20:41 i can power it back up, if it's actually an important question Oct 29 08:20:46 nah dont worry Oct 29 08:20:50 i will survice Oct 29 08:20:53 survive Oct 29 08:23:27 xzcvczx, http://nopaste.com/p/aQfqHKzb7 Oct 29 08:24:09 daMaestro: thanks a log Oct 29 08:24:54 openmoko: 03mickey * r3298 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog data/Makefile.am data/default_ringtone.ogg): openmoko-dialer: remove default_ringtone.ogg, we use pulseaudio to trigger the ringtone Oct 29 08:25:19 s/log/lot Oct 29 08:25:40 i have just realised where i am losing 13mb anyway... dang logs Oct 29 08:43:41 good morning Oct 29 08:49:55 note to self..... remember theres no way to hang up a call.. well that i can see anyway unless someone else knows Oct 29 08:50:23 Maybe the power button closes the dialer? Oct 29 08:50:41 * CM needs to update to the latest rootfs today Oct 29 08:52:22 nope Oct 29 08:54:58 lol killing dialer seems to make gsmd die Oct 29 08:54:59 On the planet mickeyl says, that gsm module need a firmware upgrade, anyone knows anything about that? neither openmoko nor qtopia can get the gsm going on my neo Oct 29 08:55:17 Xx13: It's probably bug 666 Oct 29 08:55:17 Xx13: still waiting on the lawyers Oct 29 08:56:28 anybody here having the gllin binary? Oct 29 08:56:33 CM: so technically there shouldn't be anything wrong with gsm hardware or firmware? Oct 29 08:57:06 Xx13: Not the hardware as far as I know, but the firmware doesn't handle some SIM cards Oct 29 08:57:45 CM: ok, then i can blame the software ;) Oct 29 08:58:11 openmoko: 03mickey * r3299 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-appmanager2/ (ChangeLog data/openmoko-appmanager.desktop): openmoko-appmanager2: Set SingleInstance=true and improve purpose comment Oct 29 08:58:14 Let's hope that's the case, and that the lawyers get their papers done some time Oct 29 08:58:17 :) Oct 29 08:58:54 CM: i've managed to call another phone manually... Oct 29 08:59:22 Oh, ok. Hmm.. Then it must be something else that's the problem Oct 29 09:01:15 CM: on openmoko side there seems to be no connection with the software and GSM, in qtopia, in one if the 3 runs it managed to get registered, but wouldn't call either ;( Oct 29 09:02:47 But how did you manage to call manually then? Oct 29 09:02:48 this got me thinking that the problem may be common between the two Oct 29 09:04:07 there is a utility that connects the modem, and you can do AT comammands like AT+CREG or whichever, and you i called my other phone with that Oct 29 09:04:48 couldn't get any sounds, but at least the call was made Oct 29 09:05:15 How new is your rootfs? Oct 29 09:06:26 i flashed it bout 3 weeks ago, with latest image i could find Oct 29 09:06:53 and then ipkg update/upgrade (every nite ;) Oct 29 09:06:53 Ok. A lot has happened since, gsmd was a bit broken at that time Oct 29 09:06:58 Heh, ok Oct 29 09:06:59 :) Oct 29 09:07:25 that's what i thought... Oct 29 09:09:25 how reliable is ipkg, will i gain anything from reflushing rootfs? Oct 29 09:12:33 Xx13: 90 Oct 29 09:12:35 % Oct 29 09:12:53 ? Oct 29 09:13:54 90% reliable Oct 29 09:15:44 that's not too good, but i installed some packages and then removed them for lack of space, could there be any garbage left on the file system, or some missmerged configs Oct 29 09:20:10 Xx13: I have one sim that refuses to work on a v4 neo, but works fine in a v3 neo Oct 29 09:21:01 lJp: it doesn't seem to be a problem of the sim Oct 29 09:42:35 abraxa_: ping Oct 29 09:43:44 abraxa_: om-mediaplayer is a bit broken, guess you committed right within some changes (update_session parameter in set_volume) Oct 29 09:44:48 moin Oct 29 09:45:04 heya Oct 29 09:45:45 ahoy Oct 29 09:48:11 hi Oct 29 09:53:47 I think the icon for "Generic PC" in Leopard is a bit mean: http://media.arstechnica.com/reviews/os/mac-os-x-10-5.media/public.generic-pc.png Oct 29 09:57:33 lol :D Oct 29 10:06:29 abraxa_: youve broken media player from looks of things, some changes to omp_playback_set_volume? Oct 29 10:06:38 <_buz> ~lart nokia for not adding gsm to n810 Oct 29 10:06:38 * apt installs PocketPC on nokia's PDA for not adding gsm to n810 Oct 29 10:06:47 <_buz> roooofl Oct 29 10:09:50 apt: botsnack Oct 29 10:09:51 CM: aw, gee Oct 29 10:10:36 XorA: can you put fix for mediaplayer2 dependencies? Oct 29 10:10:41 !ombug 929 Oct 29 10:10:42 * * Bug 929, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown Oct 29 10:10:43 * * hrw(AT)openedhand.com: GConf setting for orientation Oct 29 10:10:44 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=929 Oct 29 10:10:47 ops Oct 29 10:11:29 !ombug 963 Oct 29 10:11:30 * * Bug 963, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown Oct 29 10:11:31 * * hrw(AT)openedhand.com: Mediaplayer SHOULD depend on gst-plugin-pulse Oct 29 10:11:32 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=963 Oct 29 10:12:43 or on openmoko-sound-system Oct 29 10:13:08 mickey-tw: got an opinion? Oct 29 10:13:31 XorA: fine with me Oct 29 10:13:49 XorA: no - mediaplayer Oct 29 10:13:51 now that it actually hardcodes the pulsesink, the rdependency is justified Oct 29 10:14:02 or fix mediaplayer to unhardcore plugin Oct 29 10:14:07 no way Oct 29 10:14:19 needs to be hardcoded else it won't work at all on gta01 :) Oct 29 10:14:19 hrw: no, mediaplayer depends on openmoko-sound-system is what I propose Oct 29 10:14:38 I ave gta01bv4 to my brother-in-law for a weekend and we found few new bugs Oct 29 10:14:43 means when pulse is replaced by something cooler, all still works :-) Oct 29 10:14:48 XorA: heh Oct 29 10:14:53 unlikely :) Oct 29 10:14:57 pulse rockz Oct 29 10:15:06 * XorA wonders why jack fell foul of all audio Oct 29 10:15:09 he wanted to have neo as next phone and still wants but found softtware not intuitive Oct 29 10:15:33 hrw: feel free to add more bugs. make sure o-hand doesn't get idle ;) Oct 29 10:15:45 mickey-tw: haha Oct 29 10:16:16 mickey-tw: remember that we sends invoices to your company for bug testing too ;) Oct 29 10:16:44 i know i know... Oct 29 10:16:58 during this week I plan to do some testing of newest software Oct 29 10:17:15 mickey-tw: I even have something new for you - neod also got bug request Oct 29 10:17:34 but I think that menus placement will be hard to fix Oct 29 10:18:08 someone should spell check as well, its Bluetooth, not Bluetooh that openmoko applets say :-) Oct 29 10:21:32 mickey-tw: I think that soon neod menu-on-power should change to fullscreen window with a way to enable/disable/check_status of gps/gsm/bt/wifi, enable flightmode, switch profiles etc\ Oct 29 10:21:38 mickey-tw: wat do you think? Oct 29 10:22:03 hmm Oct 29 10:22:07 fullscreen? Oct 29 10:22:08 so long as it doesn't take as long as the same thing on the p910i Oct 29 10:22:10 dunno Oct 29 10:22:21 need to think about that Oct 29 10:22:46 power on... wait ten seconds... then you get to say "yup, i want you to power on" and wait another 20 seconds while it continues booting. Oct 29 10:22:54 mickey-tw: now there is no place to enable flightmode, no place to check what is a status of wifi/bt/gps Oct 29 10:23:03 yeah Oct 29 10:23:06 it's under construction Oct 29 10:23:51 mickey-tw: change that wall paper to an under construction sign Oct 29 10:24:00 good idea Oct 29 10:40:12 gps is allowed on a plane isnt it? Oct 29 10:40:36 it's only a receiver after all Oct 29 10:41:17 I don't think it will work or? What's the official speed limit allowed on a GPS? Oct 29 10:42:08 missile speed Oct 29 10:42:20 but will you see enough sats, through a tiny window? Oct 29 10:42:24 well above that of a commercial jet Oct 29 10:42:43 Xx13: planes are only rather thin aluminium Oct 29 10:42:56 xzcvczx: it works fine for me Oct 29 10:43:11 but you have to have it right in the window, and preferably on the more south-facing side Oct 29 10:43:28 then you get an excellent sky view Oct 29 10:43:57 why south? Oct 29 10:44:14 for hern hemisphere Oct 29 10:44:15 sorry. equator-facing side Oct 29 10:44:24 north* Oct 29 10:44:30 again, why? Oct 29 10:44:42 no dishes at poles Oct 29 10:44:53 cjb_ie: what sorta plane is that in? Oct 29 10:45:40 gps sats are not geostationary and they are not on equator orbit Oct 29 10:45:47 Xx13: the GPS satellite orbits only go 55 degrees from the equator Oct 29 10:46:05 So unless you are north enough to see the ones over the poles, ... Oct 29 10:47:13 xzcvczx: smallish airbuses (A330?) and boeing (737?) with aer lingus, 747 or similar with transatlantic carriers Oct 29 10:47:22 * xzcvczx hates trying to work with long/lat Oct 29 10:48:18 cjb_ie: hmmm i am hoping it will work in a small top wing plane with being under the wing Oct 29 10:48:41 hmm what is the latitude of 55 degrees? Oct 29 10:49:08 i mean what cities Oct 29 10:49:54 Xx13: in the northern hemisphere - roughly the south end of sweden, middle of ireland/uk, or a few degrees north of the US/canada border. Oct 29 10:49:56 aberdeen Oct 29 10:50:05 edinburgh Oct 29 10:50:07 dundee Oct 29 10:50:09 stirling Oct 29 10:50:54 anyone done any programming for gps stuff? Oct 29 10:50:59 Yes Oct 29 10:51:14 In what way? Oct 29 10:51:53 SpeedEvil: well stage 1: distance between 2 points Oct 29 10:52:35 we did a small pilot trying to link gps coordinates to a map from phone catalogue, doing it properly turned out rather hairy Oct 29 10:52:51 xzcvczx: you mean just spherical trig? Oct 29 10:52:53 xzcvczx: that's hardly GPS programming :-) you can do it in a couple of lines Oct 29 10:53:15 there's a wikipedia article, google for "great circle distance" Oct 29 10:54:07 SpeedEvil: well i have found a couple of formulas for it, but am mostly wondering if you have 55.3243230 189.10988 what do you use as the inputs for radians Oct 29 10:54:42 cjb_ie: thanks am looking now Oct 29 10:55:02 http://www.google.com/search?q=1+degree+in+radians :-) Oct 29 10:55:08 xzcvczx: there are 2 pi radians in a circle Oct 29 10:55:43 so the conversion from degrees to radians is multiply by pi/180 Oct 29 10:56:32 can you literally take it as 55.3243230 degrees or do you need to convert if from degrees,mins,secs Oct 29 10:56:46 that one looks like decimal degrees. Oct 29 10:56:49 xzcvczx: from where? Oct 29 10:56:58 xzcvczx: is that number? Oct 29 10:57:25 SpeedEvil: nmea data/this one in particular a made up number though Oct 29 10:57:36 xzcvczx: in that case, you need to do Oct 29 10:58:19 nmea is evil - it looks like decimal but isn't Oct 29 10:58:30 cjb_ie: yeah thats why im asking Oct 29 10:59:05 3600)+(m*60)+s,ndeg,nmin,wdeg,wmin, ndeg+(nmin/60),wdeg+(wmin/60), $10,$9,herr+0 Oct 29 10:59:06 ,err+0,v } Oct 29 10:59:20 /GPRMC/{print substr($10,1,2)"/"substr($10,3,2)"/"substr($10,5,2), h":"m":"s,(h* Oct 29 10:59:27 at the beginning of those lines ratehr Oct 29 10:59:29 /GPRMC/{print substr($10,1,2)"/"substr($10,3,2)"/"substr($10,5,2), h":"m":"s,(h* Oct 29 10:59:29 3600)+(m*60)+s,ndeg,nmin,wdeg,wmin, ndeg+(nmin/60),wdeg+(wmin/60), $10,$9,herr+0 Oct 29 10:59:30 ,err+0,v } Oct 29 10:59:34 (awk) Oct 29 10:59:34 SpeedEvil: what's that, perl? Oct 29 10:59:46 err Oct 29 10:59:49 ignore that Oct 29 11:00:12 lol Oct 29 11:00:35 hmmm i am quite surprised that gpsd doesnt have stuff like this in it Oct 29 11:00:53 http://www.mauve.plus.com/gpsproc Oct 29 11:01:04 you need to conver the decimal degrees/min/sec Oct 29 11:01:06 it does Oct 29 11:01:15 you can ask for lat/lon in all sortfs of format Oct 29 11:01:27 ah ok Oct 29 11:01:30 xzcvczx: um, it gives decimal degrees by default Oct 29 11:01:33 well that should make it a bit easier then Oct 29 11:01:42 xzcvczx: but if you ask it to give you raw nmea, it'll give you the raw nmea Oct 29 11:02:00 yeah Oct 29 11:02:21 that code above parses raw NMEA and puts out time, north decimal degrees, east Oct 29 11:07:59 hi Oct 29 11:08:03 openmoko: 03abraxa * r3300 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/src/playback.c: Remove erroneous update_session parameter in omp_playback_set_volume() Oct 29 11:08:03 hmmm the battery is lasting quite a long time now isnt it Oct 29 11:08:24 mickey-tw: Thanks for the hint - looks like I was a little tired yesterday indeed ;) Oct 29 11:11:57 abraxa_: hehe, np Oct 29 11:16:24 xzcvczx / Xx13: The GPS might actually employ a RF generator (-> Superhet principle) so it could be forbidden to use on planes as well Oct 29 11:17:52 abraxa_: how would you work out if it did? Oct 29 11:18:04 abraxa: so it will radiate more then a a laptop?? Oct 29 11:21:21 xzcvczx: Work out... what? Oct 29 11:22:00 Xx13: No but it might actually still be enough to interfere with on-board logic - at least the FAA is very strict about that, and I think that's a Good Thing (tm) Oct 29 11:23:47 abraxa: hmm, it seems the plane instrument insulation is getting better, some airlines are planning to allow use of mobiles Oct 29 11:24:44 can't remember how soon though... maybe couple of years time Oct 29 11:26:08 Some do in Germany Oct 29 11:26:11 It frightens me. Oct 29 11:26:33 Not because of interferences with on-board systems but because of the noise level ;p Oct 29 11:27:07 * XorA cant wait until Dom Jolly does a sketch on an airplane Oct 29 11:28:09 yeah i am not looking forward to cells on planes either Oct 29 11:28:29 no doubt they'll be fantastically expensive though Oct 29 11:28:31 they should just soundproof the toilets and only allow you to use cells in the toilets Oct 29 11:28:49 cjb_ie: oh well just wait til planes have wifi/internet then just use voip Oct 29 11:29:06 xzcvczx, people will get annoyed with loud speakers Oct 29 11:29:08 xzcvczx: like that won't also be fantastically expensive? :-) Oct 29 11:29:28 cjb_ie: just steal it from the person in the seat beside you :P Oct 29 11:32:40 how do we change the default ip on the phone? Oct 29 11:40:58 xzcvczx: Take a look at /etc/network/interfaces Oct 29 11:41:22 ah Oct 29 11:41:23 abraxa_: :) Oct 29 11:41:40 Hiho CM Oct 29 12:31:10 what profile should be changed to Junior Developers, so they can update their project tasks in GForge? right now it is "Tech" Oct 29 12:43:54 abraxa_: I have a question Oct 29 12:44:01 !ombug 963 Oct 29 12:44:02 * * Bug 963, Status: RESOLVED (FIXED), Created: Unknown Oct 29 12:44:03 * * hrw(AT)openedhand.com: Mediaplayer SHOULD depend on gst-plugin-pulse Oct 29 12:44:04 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=963 Oct 29 12:44:17 hrw: Yeah? Oct 29 12:44:25 *looks* Oct 29 12:44:36 abraxa_: please look at bug #963 (already solved) and try to make it usable more Oct 29 12:44:56 It is now :) Oct 29 12:44:57 abraxa_: I mean: if there is no gst-plugin-pulse then stay alive with requester Oct 29 12:45:05 You probably had an old SVN rev Oct 29 12:45:12 perhaps Oct 29 12:45:22 Thanks for the hint, however Oct 29 12:45:34 Your bug testing is appreciated :) Oct 29 12:45:51 abraxa_: this time it was my brohter-in-law testing Oct 29 13:01:40 kristian-m: actually trying to sms I get 'Store: error -311' back from libgsmd-tool. Any idea what is going on there? Oct 29 13:34:45 g'mornin' Oct 29 13:40:30 good evening Oct 29 13:40:44 good afternoon Oct 29 13:41:01 well actually it is morning here Oct 29 13:41:06 2:41 :S Oct 29 13:44:51 any libgsmd experts here? Oct 29 13:46:05 ~ask Oct 29 13:46:06 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Oct 29 13:46:42 (I often wonder about that last sentence...) Oct 29 13:47:48 bah, ok...its kinda big...alright so i my handlers arent getting called even after i register them with lgsm_register_handler...i understand that only upon a successful return they are called.. Oct 29 13:49:29 so is this how libgsmd works, we use its API for example, lgsm_voice_out_init(), asks gsmd to give appropriate AT commands, a message is generated upon success and we handle the message using the message handlers registered using lgsm_Register_handler..thats how everythin works..right? Oct 29 13:50:44 ~lart apt Oct 29 13:50:44 * apt beats sup3rkiddo to within 2.54cm of his life Oct 29 13:50:50 bah Oct 29 13:50:58 Ouch. Oct 29 13:51:40 gsmd lists have been pretty quite on this,,if only i could solve this, i attain peace =( Oct 29 13:51:58 My engineering professor would have been very harsh on apt for that improper conversion of units. 1 inch != 2.54 cm Oct 29 13:52:20 ~lart mwester Oct 29 13:52:20 * apt executes killall -TERM mwester Oct 29 13:52:26 there..settles it Oct 29 13:52:50 mwester: what's the proper conversion then? Oct 29 13:53:11 1 in = 3 cm, 1.00 in = 2.54 cm Oct 29 13:53:25 errr Oct 29 13:53:30 right Oct 29 13:53:44 what's the difference between 1 in and 1.00 in? Oct 29 13:53:57 float Oct 29 13:54:17 2.54 gets rounded off to the nearest integer..3 Oct 29 13:54:27 am i smart or what :P Oct 29 13:55:07 precision. You cannot have more digits of precision in the result of the conversion than you have in the original. So 1 in = 3 cm, 1.0 in = 2.5 cm, 1.00 in = 2.54 cm, etc. Oct 29 13:55:59 ah, yeah Oct 29 13:55:59 hey, thats what i told Oct 29 13:56:01 that's true Oct 29 13:56:02 It's not stricly float either: 1 mile != 5280 ft -- rather, 1 mile = 5000 feet. Oct 29 13:56:16 1.000 mile = 5280 feet. Oct 29 13:56:21 I'm glad I don't have to do those conversions Oct 29 13:57:33 Over 25 years after those classes, and I still recal getting failing marks on tests because of such conversions... I should sue the school for emotional distress. Oct 29 13:57:44 :P Oct 29 13:57:45 mwester: How is 1 in = 3 cm? If he wants to be a PITA and account for float->int conversion then it would be 2cm if anything as no rounding happens Oct 29 13:58:18 Rounding is good. truncation is not. Oct 29 13:58:29 man, why didnt they pack emacs for the neo, i hate vi Oct 29 13:58:37 It wasn't float->int conversion, this was in the era of slide-rules. Oct 29 13:58:59 mwester: Ah... still, I would've talked back ;p Oct 29 13:59:04 The hand calculator was just becoming popular, and scientific ones were just becoming affordable. Oct 29 13:59:21 Sup3rkiddo: and emacs would fit, how? Oct 29 13:59:22 He *HATED* calculators... :) Oct 29 14:00:21 * Sup3rkiddo warns everyone..he is in a crappy mood today =S Oct 29 14:01:27 Sup3rkiddo: try ipkg install joe, then type "jmacs" -- it's a reasonable clone. And there are those who have run the full emacs on the neo, you do need to install it on the SD card due to size (but it works! Image running emacs on your phone - pretty cool!) Oct 29 14:01:53 zile should also be resonable close Oct 29 14:01:57 Imagine, even Oct 29 14:01:57 wow, nice........... Oct 29 14:01:59 i added this for an emacs lover Oct 29 14:02:08 * mwester doesn't know about zile Oct 29 14:02:13 oh, concerning SD cards I should probably note somewhere that my 6GB card seems to work fine. Oct 29 14:02:39 oh, cool. A bit pricey for me yet, but it's good to know that they work. Oct 29 14:03:46 mwester: it was 52 euro Oct 29 14:04:00 which is reasonably imo. Oct 29 14:04:23 * mwester goes to see what the exchange rate is today... probably 10 USD to a euro by now. :( Oct 29 14:05:40 LarstiQ_: Reasonable for sure, nice :D Oct 29 14:10:08 anyone, please please please, gimme a hint..i promise i will buy you a pint Oct 29 14:10:17 mwester: lol its good for anyone whos not yank Oct 29 14:10:59 Sup3rkiddo: I'm sorry to have no idea. Oct 29 14:11:10 * Sup3rkiddo cries like a baby Oct 29 14:11:16 ~lart Sup3rkiddo Oct 29 14:11:16 * apt DoSes Sup3rkiddo Oct 29 14:11:17 Sup3rkiddo: As I get it, hopefully you can use dbus for that stuff soon, or am I mistaken? Oct 29 14:11:26 Sup3rkiddo: What's your prob? Oct 29 14:11:48 so is this how libgsmd works, we use its API for example, lgsm_voice_out_init(), asks gsmd to give appropriate AT commands, a message is generated upon success and we handle the message using the message handlers registered using lgsm_Register_handler..thats how everythin works..right? Oct 29 14:12:22 basically yes Oct 29 14:12:39 in the near future, this will go towards dbus though Oct 29 14:12:48 as an addition though Oct 29 14:12:57 the present interface will stay Oct 29 14:13:04 so, is somebody now doing an dbus binding? Oct 29 14:13:22 yeah, that's what i heard Oct 29 14:13:41 hmm. I actually have something implemented Oct 29 14:14:04 nice Oct 29 14:14:05 show us Oct 29 14:14:08 mickey-tw: Can you share any information on the future of gsmd -- is it going to be re-written/replaced, or will it remain? Oct 29 14:14:08 oh dang...then gsmd will undergo a rewrite?!, i am just writing a raw binding...i am able to connect and gsmd sends AT, its the return message isnt handled no where, Oct 29 14:14:31 wasnt it libmokogsmd which is going to be replace by PhoneKit? Oct 29 14:14:43 mwester: i think i answered that previously Oct 29 14:14:50 mwester: it will remain for some time Oct 29 14:15:05 mickey-tw: I might as well, soon. it's more or less just proposal for the dbus api with some framework implemented but it needs more tweaking still Oct 29 14:15:25 hmm, why does anyone think a dbus interface would end up in a gsmd rewrite? it's not going to Oct 29 14:15:31 I was hacking something else, but then I started to adapt the interface towards what libgsmd does Oct 29 14:16:06 which is exactly why it needs more tweaking Oct 29 14:16:14 Probably because there have been frequent comments to the effect that the current gsmd was expermental, and not intended to be part of the final product. Oct 29 14:16:40 mickey-tw, but that interface would end up as a higher level stuff, right...libgsmd and gsmd would remain albeit with minor changes? Oct 29 14:16:53 yes Oct 29 14:17:01 This characterization of gsmd is probably what leads to many folks thinking that it would be replaced by something else, perhaps d-bus based... Oct 29 14:17:12 mwester: i dunno where you heard that from. i never made such comments and i doubt anyone from OM did Oct 29 14:17:39 hmm, that doesnt affect me then...afaik, everything is communicated using sockets...which i kinda love Oct 29 14:17:52 Well, I'm not going to dig into the archives, but I think Harald is OM, and I'm pretty sure he said that on either a blog entry or on the ML. Oct 29 14:18:32 fatal-, by any chance you hacking on libgsmd? Oct 29 14:18:35 gsmd has been called "a hack" Oct 29 14:19:24 Sup3rkiddo: no, not really. been looking into it. I've had something similar in the works recently, but thought that I might be able to contribute something on the dbus side Oct 29 14:19:46 depends what's wanted. a direct mapping from libgsmd into dbus or something else Oct 29 14:19:51 I seem to recall a recent discussion that indicated that gsmd needed to be replaced by something that handled the modem syncronously -- did that discussion not involve someone from OM? Oct 29 14:20:14 dbus + synchronous does not really work on the long run Oct 29 14:20:19 I believe Oct 29 14:20:22 but Oct 29 14:21:01 mwester, wasnt that "improvements" rather than rewrite...afaik, libmokogsmd is gonna be booted after reading up mickey's post Oct 29 14:21:47 I've been testing something that stacks at commands and has d-bus api for it Oct 29 14:23:11 I'd just like to know into which parts the dbus api at the moment is really wanted for. controlling parts of the modem and the PhoneKit does the rest, communicating directly via libgsmd? Oct 29 14:23:12 just out of curiosity, is d-bus a performance overhead? Oct 29 14:23:28