**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 02 02:59:57 2007
Nov 02 03:10:09 <Psi_> does the latest build get stuck with anyone else?
Nov 02 03:10:33 <Psi_> if i leave mine too long the screen goes blank and the gui doesnt come back
Nov 02 03:10:42 <Psi_> this is while plugged in
Nov 02 04:03:51 <xzcvczx> Psi_: if you press power button?
Nov 02 04:24:10 <daMaestro> roh, i wasn't saying it was.. i just know you're on the team and you can relay the appreciations to the crew
Nov 02 04:35:48 <roh> daMaestro will do. thanks
Nov 02 04:36:07 <daMaestro> the platform is really coming along, so good work
Nov 02 04:36:20 <daMaestro> i *do* want my GPS to work though (GTA01)
Nov 02 04:37:36 <roh> well.. i want that also
Nov 02 04:37:47 <roh> btw.. i pimped projects.openmoko.org a bit;)
Nov 02 04:39:27 <daMaestro> nice
Nov 02 04:44:44 <roh> not as nice as i want it, but at least it has the common header now
Nov 02 04:48:35 <xaid> consistency is good :) by the way, does the main projects page update? it seems the latest entries there haven't updated in a long time..
Nov 02 04:50:37 <xaid> to be more specific, I ment the "Latest News" part of the main page.
Nov 02 04:55:20 <roh> xaid ah.. uh.. i think somebody has to ack news entries...
Nov 02 04:55:32 <roh> dunno who should do that yet... 
Nov 02 04:56:36 <roh> i just find my way into that gforge thingie.. its quite a monster. cvs, svn, http, postgres, mailman, php, html, css.. i am just glad i got that theme working
Nov 02 04:57:54 <xaid> its not a problem, i wasn't sure if its just the case where noone was posting news articles there or if i had to be registered to view them :)
Nov 02 04:59:13 <daMaestro> hmm no updates
Nov 02 05:00:11 <daMaestro> and feedreader seems to not be working
Nov 02 05:01:27 <johnny> i'm having odd troubles with building here
Nov 02 05:01:59 <xaid> brb, hit a mmap() kernel bug :| time for a reboot.
Nov 02 05:02:32 <johnny> svn: REPORT request failed on '/repos/matchbox/!svn/vcc/default'
Nov 02 05:02:32 <johnny> svn: Cannot replace a directory from within
Nov 02 05:02:45 <johnny> after openmoko-today
Nov 02 05:03:57 <roh> uh... nice.. new music for worktimes http://kor.gazaxian.com/index.php/category/dj-sets/
Nov 02 05:04:15 <roh> MixSessionA1 is nice hacking music
Nov 02 05:06:13 <mwester> johnny:  delete openmoko/trunk (if you are using the master makefile).  Then do a make update and start the build again.
Nov 02 05:24:44 <johnny> aha.. here is the original error :0
Nov 02 05:24:45 <johnny> Fetching external item into 'src/inotify'
Nov 02 05:24:46 <johnny> svn: URL 'http://svn.o-hand.com/repos/matchbox/trunk/matchbox-desktop-2/src/inotify' doesn't exist
Nov 02 05:42:25 <Psi_> <xzcvczx> Psi_: if you press power button?  the screen flashes white for like 1/4 a sec then black again
Nov 02 06:05:13 <dcordes> could somebody check if openmoko-dates2 builds?
Nov 02 06:07:23 <CM> dcordes: I'll update and give it a try
Nov 02 06:07:41 <dcordes> thanks
Nov 02 06:16:46 <CM> dcordes: NOTE: package openmoko-dates2-0.1.0+svnr658: completed
Nov 02 06:16:54 <CM> Just did an update before
Nov 02 06:16:58 * CM is off to work
Nov 02 06:17:18 <dcordes> thanks
Nov 02 06:56:00 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 973 has been created by tick(AT)openmoko.com
Nov 02 06:56:01 <cdbot2> * * Machine Plugin needed
Nov 02 06:56:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=973
Nov 02 07:03:00 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 974 has been created by tick(AT)openmoko.com
Nov 02 07:03:01 <cdbot2> * * Timeout Scheme
Nov 02 07:03:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=974
Nov 02 07:03:36 <CM> Nice to see that gsmd is getting som attention :)
Nov 02 07:05:16 <Sup3rkiddo> too bad, i dunno gsm specs, otherwise my good mind tells me to go and fire some cool code
Nov 02 07:08:00 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 975 has been created by tick(AT)openmoko.com
Nov 02 07:08:02 <cdbot2> * * GTA02 wake up scheme (pull pin)
Nov 02 07:08:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=975
Nov 02 07:14:00 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 976 has been created by tick(AT)openmoko.com
Nov 02 07:14:01 <cdbot2> * * GSMD Production Test program
Nov 02 07:14:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=976
Nov 02 07:20:00 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 977 has been created by tick(AT)openmoko.com
Nov 02 07:20:02 <cdbot2> * * GSMD unit test scheme
Nov 02 07:20:03 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=977
Nov 02 07:40:32 <blindcoder> moin
Nov 02 07:51:08 <Hopscotch> good morning
Nov 02 08:13:39 <CIA-13> openmoko: 03mickey * r3328 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-usb/ (configure.ac src/openmoko-panel-usb.c): openmoko-panel-usb: remove usb code, add dbus listener
Nov 02 08:25:14 <flexd> goooood morning \o/
Nov 02 08:26:06 <cjb_ie> *sceptical look*
Nov 02 08:26:39 * flexd pokes cjb_ie with a sharp object.
Nov 02 08:27:08 <cjb_ie> see! i knew it wasn't going to be good.
Nov 02 08:27:36 <flexd> sceptisism (or how you spell it) does not lead to good things, be positive!
Nov 02 08:27:36 <flexd> :D
Nov 02 08:28:43 <flaushy> moin
Nov 02 08:47:57 <Xx13> hi all, when 'ipkg upgrade' runs out of space, what are the packages that can safely be removed?
Nov 02 08:53:28 <goxboxlive> ****************************************************
Nov 02 08:54:19 <emdete> Xx13: depends on what functionality you need
Nov 02 08:54:37 <Xx13> heh, i don't want to loose any
Nov 02 08:54:52 <emdete> Xx13: i found bonnie++ useless
Nov 02 08:55:07 <Xx13> is it big?
Nov 02 08:55:10 <emdete> i also deinstalled avahi&bridging stuff
Nov 02 08:55:23 <thos> Xx13: upgrade shouldn't cause it to run out of space unless you have already installed extra packages
Nov 02 08:55:38 <emdete> i don't know exactly, those packages are in a script i fire after flashing
Nov 02 08:55:48 <emdete> there is a memtester also
Nov 02 08:56:05 <emdete> tcpdump & portmap are candidates
Nov 02 08:59:13 <Xx13> thos, but i haven't ... insalled/removed mplyer, then installed it back to the card, yesterday, upgrade ran outta space
Nov 02 09:02:59 <emdete> strange... anyway jffs2 sucks, i run out of space on / also and now can't even delete a file... :/
Nov 02 09:03:07 <Stephmw> mornin'
Nov 02 09:05:14 <Xx13> emdete: yup, sometimes ipkg remove just hangs.  I guess you can always reflash rootfs
Nov 02 09:05:30 <emdete> Xx13: loosing everthing in there...
Nov 02 09:06:24 <Xx13> if you have done some changes yes,  i think the only thing i changed is resolve.conf 
Nov 02 09:06:48 <emdete> i changed alot...
Nov 02 09:07:41 <emdete> ...but perhaps it's time for a new rootfs, you may be right :/
Nov 02 09:07:47 <Ghiottone|work> mornin
Nov 02 09:08:25 <Xx13> you can easely make a tarball of the whole system just in case there was something important
Nov 02 09:08:34 <emdete> i just do ;)
Nov 02 09:08:42 <Xx13> ;)
Nov 02 09:09:21 <emdete> hm, sshfs doesn't work... :/
Nov 02 09:10:43 <Xx13> you can do ssh root@...202 tar -zc /  >tarball.tgz
Nov 02 09:12:13 <emdete> shure, but i just tried sshfs for using meld on it later... works fine, normaly.
Nov 02 09:15:21 <Xx13> is there samba?
Nov 02 09:18:02 <CIA-13> openmoko: 03thomas * r3329 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-appmanager2/ (ChangeLog src/navigation-area.c src/tool-box.c): 
Nov 02 09:18:02 <CIA-13> openmoko: * src/navigation-area.c: (navigation_area_new):
Nov 02 09:18:02 <CIA-13> openmoko: * src/tool-box.c: (tool_box_new):
Nov 02 09:18:02 <CIA-13> openmoko: Fix compiler warnings
Nov 02 09:32:38 <torpor> hi gang
Nov 02 09:32:49 <torpor> having trouble with webkit here .. anyone else?
Nov 02 09:32:59 <emdete> torpor: which one?
Nov 02 09:33:27 <torpor> ermm .. webkit-svn
Nov 02 09:33:45 <torpor> waiting for an update to complete then i'll build it again and get the details
Nov 02 09:33:49 <emdete> :D no... which trouble?
Nov 02 09:33:52 <torpor> (was busted as of last night, and i just picked up now)
Nov 02 09:35:50 <XorA> torpor: built last night and now
Nov 02 09:35:55 <torpor> ok
Nov 02 09:36:05 <torpor> just waiting for update to complete and i'll try again
Nov 02 09:38:18 <torpor> man its slow .. 
Nov 02 09:39:57 <emdete> torpor: can you tell a little about what you are doing with webkit?
Nov 02 09:43:33 <torpor> emdete: just trying to build it through 'make all'
Nov 02 09:44:27 <torpor> here's the problem:http://rafb.net/p/nHM7n556.html
Nov 02 09:46:29 <emdete> hm, HEAD revision is 27375... you build 27222
Nov 02 09:46:58 <torpor> wtf
Nov 02 09:47:01 <torpor> how to fix this?
Nov 02 09:47:07 <torpor> i've just been doing 'make update' and such .. 
Nov 02 09:47:16 <emdete> openmoko freezes that somehow...
Nov 02 09:47:41 <CIA-13> openmoko: 03thomas * r3330 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-appmanager2/ (ChangeLog src/detail-area.c src/navigation-area.c): 
Nov 02 09:47:41 <CIA-13> openmoko: * src/detail-area.c: (detail_area_new):
Nov 02 09:47:41 <CIA-13> openmoko: * src/navigation-area.c: (navigation_area_new):
Nov 02 09:47:41 <CIA-13> openmoko: Use MokoFingerScroll instead of GtkScrolledWindow. Fixes bug 960
Nov 02 09:47:46 <emdete> openmoko uses a config file to stick the revision to something known good... don't remember which file that was
Nov 02 09:47:53 <XorA> torpor: is that an error from webkit build itself?
Nov 02 09:48:01 <emdete> i put the desired rev in there ...
Nov 02 09:54:47 <abraxa_> XorA: Hah! Gotcha! And you can't run away, so I'm making you bump the srcrev for openmoko-theme-standard2 ;)
Nov 02 09:55:15 * XorA does a loop dah loop sonic styleee and escapes
Nov 02 09:55:18 <torpor> so i don't get it whats the fix?
Nov 02 09:55:39 <abraxa_> XorA: Ah crud. Damn Brits and their sneakyness.
Nov 02 09:56:06 <XorA> abraxa_: what does bumping the srcrev fix?
Nov 02 09:59:43 <abraxa_> XorA: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/commitlog/2007-October/002931.html - it's been missing for aeons :(
Nov 02 10:00:03 <abraxa_> Current rev is 3210
Nov 02 10:00:38 <XorA> abraxa_: ok, just waiting for a build to finish
Nov 02 10:00:44 <abraxa_> Yay, thanks :)
Nov 02 10:04:05 <torpor> so can someone please tell me why my freshly 'make update'ed tree is still at rev 27222 for webcore/webkit?
Nov 02 10:04:09 <torpor> do i have to catch up somehow?
Nov 02 10:04:31 <XorA> SRCREV_pn-webkit-gtk ?= "27222"
Nov 02 10:04:32 <XorA> SRCREV_pn-webkit-qt ?= "27222"
Nov 02 10:04:32 <XorA> SRCREV_pn-webkit-qtopia ?= "27222"
Nov 02 10:04:45 <XorA> in sane-srvrevs.inc
Nov 02 10:04:45 <torpor> whats that from XorA ?
Nov 02 10:04:48 <torpor> ah
Nov 02 10:04:58 <torpor> so in fact thats fine for webkit then is it?
Nov 02 10:05:11 * XorA starts to throw a tantrum as linux unresponsiveness
Nov 02 10:05:23 <torpor> what i did: bitbake -c mrproper webkit-svn .. and now it seems like the build is continuing fine .. 
Nov 02 10:05:25 <XorA> torpor: yeah, thats a build picked to work
Nov 02 10:06:35 <torpor> ok so i've just cleaned things up with webkit and am continuing the build .. seems like its fine .. 
Nov 02 10:06:57 <torpor> i have to admit i don't care for all this, i just wanna be able to get my own -image build done so i can add my app ..
Nov 02 10:17:30 <Sup3rkiddo> hey guys, check this out, http://sudharsh.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/screenshot.png ...
Nov 02 10:17:46 <Sup3rkiddo> oops..brb
Nov 02 10:18:19 <flexd> the variable my girlfriend seems.. not plausible.. :P
Nov 02 10:19:43 <torpor> cool .. gsmd virtualized .. 
Nov 02 10:19:53 <torpor> i hope this means progress on the making calls front .. 
Nov 02 10:19:55 <Sup3rkiddo> i would have did None, but 000000 seems relatively more plausible?
Nov 02 10:20:00 <torpor> now if only we could get the same thing happening with gps.
Nov 02 10:20:02 <Sup3rkiddo> torpor: i had used phonesim
Nov 02 10:20:20 <flexd> but that looks coolo
Nov 02 10:20:22 <flexd> -o
Nov 02 10:21:45 <Sup3rkiddo> cool, if anyone wants to pitch in and have fun, be my guest
Nov 02 10:35:01 <CIA-13> openmoko: 03mickey * r3331 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-usb/ (configure.ac src/openmoko-panel-usb.c): openmoko-panel-usb: listen to charger connection/disconnection events via dbus
Nov 02 10:41:38 <hrw> mickeyl: what panel-usb has common with charger? I know that usb port is used for charging..
Nov 02 10:43:00 <mickeyl> listening to charger in/out is the best means to find out whether someone sticks something into the usb port of the Neo
Nov 02 10:43:09 <mickeyl> at least in gadget mode
Nov 02 10:43:13 <mickeyl> for host mode, we need other means
Nov 02 10:43:27 <mickeyl> then, we can eventually prompt user for choices
Nov 02 10:43:37 <mickeyl> "you have connected your phone to a PC -- what do you want?"
Nov 02 10:43:41 <mickeyl> [ storage ]
Nov 02 10:43:43 <mickeyl> [usbeth]
Nov 02 10:43:46 <mickeyl> [modem]
Nov 02 10:43:47 <mickeyl> etc...
Nov 02 10:45:01 <nbd> is the fact that you can only do one of those a hw or a sw limitation?
Nov 02 10:45:07 <wibbit> mickeyl: do we use HAL for that stuff mickeyl?
Nov 02 10:45:22 <mickeyl> wibbit: no. at this point of time we don't use HAL
Nov 02 10:45:39 <mickeyl> the whole HAL, device management, peripheral abstraction layer is under discussion
Nov 02 10:45:45 <wibbit> mickeyl: okie
Nov 02 10:45:54 <mickeyl> we just start with finding out what we need
Nov 02 10:46:02 <mickeyl> and then check whether HAL/OHM provide it or something else does
Nov 02 10:50:01 <wibbit> From what I've read within the Fedora environment, the work that is almost certainly going to go in to tieing upstart with hal looks nice, and I wonder how much, if any could benefit OpenMoko
Nov 02 10:50:49 <stefan_schmidt> mickeyl: One year after creating the domain you use it for dbus name-space now? :)
Nov 02 10:53:13 <mickeyl> stefan_schmidt: accidental....
Nov 02 10:53:17 * mickeyl fixes
Nov 02 10:53:58 <CIA-13> openmoko: 03mickey * r3333 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-usb/src/openmoko-panel-usb.c: openmoko-panel-usb: fix accidantly revealed name space
Nov 02 11:23:15 * CM eats
Nov 02 11:35:21 <PBeck> hi
Nov 02 11:43:10 <Tyrael> hi all
Nov 02 11:46:03 <Tyrael> I'have a problem building webkit-gtk. it fails. in build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/webkit-gtk-0.1+svnr27222-r3/temp/log.do_compile.19651
Nov 02 11:46:03 <Tyrael> there is build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/lib/libicui18n.so: file not recognized: File format not recognized
Nov 02 11:55:25 <CIA-13> openmoko: 03chris * r3334 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-worldclock2/ (ChangeLog src/worldclock-main.c): 
Nov 02 11:55:25 <CIA-13> openmoko: * src/worldclock-main.c: (hadjust_changed_cb),
Nov 02 11:55:25 <CIA-13> openmoko: (vadjust_changed_cb), (zoom_map), (main):
Nov 02 11:55:25 <CIA-13> openmoko: Zoom into the centre of the map rather than the top-left
Nov 02 11:59:55 <abraxa_> Tyrael: Do you use rm_work?
Nov 02 12:00:18 <Tyrael> mmm no
Nov 02 12:00:25 <Tyrael> what is? :)
Nov 02 12:01:01 <Tyrael> i use mokomakefile with insave-revs. i tried to force 27222 rev to webkit
Nov 02 12:01:16 <abraxa_> In that case you can just do a find on build/tmp/work/ and see which package created libicui18n.so, then rebuild said package 
Nov 02 12:03:27 <CM> Tyrael: I've had that error before, and usually this fixes it: bitbake -c rebuild qmake2-native icu; bitbake -c rebuild webkit-gtk
Nov 02 12:03:50 <CM> abraxa_: Hello :)
Nov 02 12:03:59 <abraxa_> Aloha CM :)
Nov 02 12:04:24 <abraxa_> Doing the 500km trip again today?
Nov 02 12:04:27 <CM> abraxa_: Saw that you're ninja-famous now
Nov 02 12:04:35 <abraxa_> lol
Nov 02 12:04:43 <CM> Hehe, nope, she's already here! :D
Nov 02 12:04:48 <abraxa_> Yeah, I feel honored
Nov 02 12:04:52 <abraxa_> ohhhhhh
Nov 02 12:04:56 <abraxa_> Awesome =)
Nov 02 12:05:03 <CM> So no overtime for me today.. :P
Nov 02 12:05:09 <CM> Not at work at least
Nov 02 12:05:28 <abraxa_> I bet I won't see you online for the rest of the day either ;)
Nov 02 12:05:57 <CM> Probably not.. I have better entertainment this weekend. ;)
Nov 02 12:06:08 <abraxa_> heehee
Nov 02 12:06:31 <torpor> Tyrael: i have had the same thing too, and what CM suggested worked for me .. 
Nov 02 12:07:10 <torpor> problem building mplayer:
Nov 02 12:07:10 <torpor> | motion_comp_arm_s.S:28: Error: selected processor does not support `pld [r1]'
Nov 02 12:08:30 <CM> torpor: Is that the latest mplayer with the arm optimizations?
Nov 02 12:08:40 * CM tries to remember who was talking about that
Nov 02 12:10:16 <torpor> CM: yes
Nov 02 12:48:13 <CM> torpor: I get the same error on mplayer
Nov 02 13:19:12 <_diego_> torpor, have u tried to enable cpu tuning? -march=arm4t (if i remember well)
Nov 02 13:20:04 <XorA> mplayer doesnt really support armv4
Nov 02 13:20:17 <XorA> I fixed one case previously, looks like I need to fix another
Nov 02 13:20:32 <XorA> torpor: can you pastbin me the exact error log please
Nov 02 13:45:07 <torpor> _diego_: i'm trying not to have to tweak things to get the build system to complete.  i don't understand why stuff is going into the public tree that isn't tested/working/is_borked .. 
Nov 02 13:45:32 <torpor> XorA: now i can't get a build done because of some problem with linux-openmoko_2.6.22.5
Nov 02 13:45:59 <XorA> torpor: what problem?
Nov 02 13:46:27 <torpor> NOTE: package linux-openmoko-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr1-r6: task do_fetch: started
Nov 02 13:46:27 <torpor> NOTE: fetch http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/patches_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target.kernel_1_.tar.gz
Nov 02 13:46:30 <torpor> --15:12:53--  http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/patches_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target.kernel_1_.tar.gz
Nov 02 13:46:33 <torpor>            => `/home/j/hak/openmoko/sources/patches_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target.kernel_1_.tar.gz'
Nov 02 13:46:36 <torpor> Resolving downloads.openmoko.org... 88.198.93.219
Nov 02 13:46:38 <torpor> Connecting to downloads.openmoko.org|88.198.93.219|:80... connected.
Nov 02 13:46:41 <torpor> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
Nov 02 13:46:43 <torpor> 15:12:53 ERROR 404: Not Found.
Nov 02 13:47:25 <XorA> mickey|lunch: I hope you didnt just do what I think you just did
Nov 02 13:47:58 <torpor> what would that be?
Nov 02 13:48:09 <XorA> remove the kernel versions needed
Nov 02 13:49:31 <XorA> who hasnt done a pull can paste the linux-openmoko line in conf/distro/include/preferred-openmoko-versions.inc?
Nov 02 13:52:09 <torpor> what do you suspect XorA ?
Nov 02 13:53:05 <CM> XorA: Here's the mplayer error if you still want it http://rafb.net/p/izJ1Uw72.html
Nov 02 13:54:55 <XorA> CM: cheers
Nov 02 13:55:04 <CM> XorA: I did a pull this morning, and what I have is SRCREV_pn-linux-openmoko ?= "2937"
Nov 02 13:55:32 <CM> Need the full log or is that enough?
Nov 02 13:55:42 <XorA> CM: thats enough its an easy enough fix
Nov 02 13:55:51 <CM> Ok, good :)
Nov 02 13:55:57 <torpor> damnit
Nov 02 13:55:59 <XorA> CM: cheers for that info, I managed to get mtn to rewind for me
Nov 02 13:56:05 <torpor> why is it so easy for people to screw up the builds?
Nov 02 13:56:10 <XorA> torpor: mtn pull and problem should be fixed
Nov 02 13:56:18 <CM> XorA: You're welcome :)
Nov 02 13:56:19 <torpor> XorA:  i'm using mokomakefile
Nov 02 13:56:24 <torpor> how do i do 'mtn pull'?
Nov 02 13:56:28 <CM> make update
Nov 02 13:56:31 <XorA> make update
Nov 02 13:56:44 <torpor> so i did that and i still have isues, or is it just fixed now?
Nov 02 13:56:55 <XorA> I just fixed what someone unfixed :-)
Nov 02 13:57:28 <torpor> ok doing it now
Nov 02 14:12:57 <Ghiottone|work> what is Thumbtribes for?
Nov 02 14:16:21 <zedstar> ghiottone location messaging client server project
Nov 02 14:26:09 * CM is away for the weekend
Nov 02 14:26:51 <abraxa_> Enjoy ;D
Nov 02 14:27:31 <CIA-13> openmoko: 03chris * r3335 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-worldclock2/ (ChangeLog src/worldclock-main.c): 
Nov 02 14:27:31 <CIA-13> openmoko: * src/worldclock-main.c: (map_clicked_cb), (main):
Nov 02 14:27:31 <CIA-13> openmoko: Use new JanaGtkWorldMap "clicked" signal
Nov 02 14:29:54 <XorA> CM: torpor mplayer is fixed for armv4 now
Nov 02 14:30:33 <torpor> XorA: cool thanks
Nov 02 14:30:36 <torpor> i'll update now .. 
Nov 02 14:30:47 <XorA> give it 5 secs for me to finish sycning
Nov 02 14:31:04 <torpor> i'll wait for CIA-13 to tell me its ready
Nov 02 14:31:15 <XorA> you'll wait 8 hours or so then :-)
Nov 02 14:31:25 <XorA> done syncing
Nov 02 14:31:50 <torpor> heh
Nov 02 14:32:17 <XorA> in fact CIA-13 here will never tell you, its listening to svn, not OE
Nov 02 14:35:11 <CIA-13> openmoko: 03chris * r3336 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (ChangeLog src/today-main.c): 
Nov 02 14:35:11 <CIA-13> openmoko: * src/today-main.c: (clock_clicked_cb), (today_create_home_page):
Nov 02 14:35:11 <CIA-13> openmoko: Launch openmoko-worldclock when clicking on clock
Nov 02 14:48:24 <CIA-13> openmoko: 03chris * r3337 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/: Update externals to r1777 of matchbox-desktop-2
Nov 02 14:50:38 <torpor> hmm .. 
Nov 02 14:50:54 <CIA-13> openmoko: 03chris * r3338 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/: Set externals correctly
Nov 02 14:51:00 <torpor> i have to say, its actually shaping into a rather nice and dense set of tools, ol' openmoko ..
Nov 02 14:51:14 <torpor> lovely progress. great to have cairo onboard.
Nov 02 14:52:14 <XorA> abraxa_: theme incremented
Nov 02 14:53:04 <abraxa_> XorA: Appreciation for XorA incremented in return
Nov 02 14:55:12 * cb23 wonders about using accelerometers as tools for scrolling
Nov 02 14:57:21 * SpeedEvil wants proper accelerometers. Though they don't exist.
Nov 02 14:57:33 <cb23> :/
Nov 02 14:57:42 <SpeedEvil> 10^5 or so better than current ones would be lovely.
Nov 02 14:57:44 * hrw wants 512M flash in device
Nov 02 14:57:52 * cb23 wants a built in teleporter
Nov 02 14:58:33 <SpeedEvil> Good accelerometers would enable much fun stuff.
Nov 02 14:58:56 <cb23> but are these ones really that bad?
Nov 02 14:59:08 * _diego_ have an 2G micro sd in neo ^^
Nov 02 14:59:19 * cb23 has a 4gb micro sd for my neo
Nov 02 14:59:30 <cb23> s/neo/nonexistant yet/
Nov 02 15:06:14 <torpor> XorA: all is good, ta!
Nov 02 15:06:41 <torpor> SpeedEvil: with accelerometer+GPS+gprs, you've got half a missile.
Nov 02 15:07:06 <torpor> so, anything you can think of between doing nothing, or doing something with a missile, can be done with a neo.
Nov 02 15:07:09 <torpor> ;)
Nov 02 15:07:43 <zash> torpor: haha :D
Nov 02 15:10:23 <bedboi> hi there.
Nov 02 15:10:36 <cb23> torpor, hmm, i could use a few of those... to deliever my nuclear payloads
Nov 02 15:10:43 <cb23> the only problem is the darn gps limitation
Nov 02 15:10:49 <cb23> how will i deliever my nukes now?
Nov 02 15:11:03 <torpor> use gps for as much as you need, assembler for everything else.
Nov 02 15:11:17 <oc2k1> not a problem .... the biggest problem is to find the SPI or i2c connections on the PCB :P
Nov 02 15:11:32 <bedboi> gps driver is still not available
Nov 02 15:12:12 <torpor> right.
Nov 02 15:12:17 <torpor> so that you don't turn your neo into a bomb. 
Nov 02 15:12:28 <mwester> The increasingly impatient developers are being kept in check by promises that we will get the driver Real Soon Now(tm)
Nov 02 15:12:37 <torpor> its all a big government conspiracy to keep linux hackers down man.
Nov 02 15:13:20 <torpor> actually i'm finding compelling reasons to just leave the chroot'ed daemon around, for the hell of it, and ignore the gps beyond what that provides..
Nov 02 15:13:48 <torpor> the only problem with this strategy is flashing openmoko and then having to set it up all again ..
Nov 02 15:14:16 <torpor> but then, there's a lovely media/card scenario going on, too.  4 gigs is plenty of /home space.. 
Nov 02 15:14:48 <torpor> you know what i want?  pocket inkscape.  that would blow my mind.
Nov 02 15:20:33 <abraxa_> XorA: The mplayer ipkg on buildhost is ARM-optimized, right? I'm pleasantly surprised to find it able to play movies without any major frame drop...
Nov 02 15:21:05 <mwester> qvga?
Nov 02 15:21:10 <abraxa_> Yeah, QVGA
Nov 02 15:21:18 <mwester> cool
Nov 02 15:21:53 <mjr> do we have qvga mode out of tree now?
Nov 02 15:23:31 <abraxa_> Not yet
Nov 02 15:23:57 <abraxa_> Well, if by "out of tree" you mean "with stock kernel/rootfs"
Nov 02 15:33:47 <Xx13> abraxa: what kind of video are you running?
Nov 02 15:34:13 <XorA> abraxa_: no idea what is on build host
Nov 02 15:34:25 <XorA> abhibera: 1.0rc2 has better arm optimisations
Nov 02 15:34:29 <srj> HI, i just got my hands on a neo 1973 a couple of days back... can any one give some pointers about how to get a <stable> version of the kernal on it
Nov 02 15:34:37 <XorA> abraxa_: 1.0rc2 has better arm optimisations
Nov 02 15:35:14 <abraxa_> srj: There are no unstable kernels :)
Nov 02 15:35:28 <jonibo> I keep running into problems building libjana... anybody else getting 404 when trying to fetch: http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/trunk_svn.o-hand.com_.repos.jana._665_.tar.gz ?
Nov 02 15:35:30 <abraxa_> XorA: Ahh, thanks. I gotta try 1.0rc2 as well then
Nov 02 15:35:44 <hrw> jonibo: thats 404 is harmless - bitbake will fetch from svn
Nov 02 15:35:48 <abraxa_> Xx13: Just regular 320x240 MPEG1 music videos
Nov 02 15:36:09 <srj> abraxa: :) i meant the latest one...
Nov 02 15:36:30 <srj> i keep running into some GUI problems
Nov 02 15:36:40 <abraxa_> Like what?
Nov 02 15:37:20 <srj> like the calculator magically seems to pop up whenever i select the input manager...
Nov 02 15:38:06 <srj> and my neo slips into the initial "please wait while the ui begins" screen now and then
Nov 02 15:38:08 <abraxa_> Well, that's not a kernel issue then
Nov 02 15:38:09 <jonibo> hrw: ok, thanks... seems the problem was some lock that SVN was not getting past... I'll check som more.
Nov 02 15:38:21 <Xx13> abraxa: well mpeg1 takes considerably less crunch power to decode, then just abut anything else ;)
Nov 02 15:39:05 <abraxa_> Xx13: MPEG-1 in software and if we're lucky we'll have MPEG-4 in hardware... sounds just fine to me
Nov 02 15:39:18 <srj> abraxa: ohk,,,any suggestions on what i shoul do?
Nov 02 15:39:45 <XorA> abraxa_: should try mpeg4 ASP as 320x240 as thats the most optimised of the mpeg familly in mplayer/ffmpeg
Nov 02 15:40:06 <abraxa_> XorA: I don't have any MPEG-4 clips unfortunately
Nov 02 15:40:09 <torpor> srj: get the latest openmoko makefile built, roll your own from the public openmoko buildhost .. 
Nov 02 15:40:39 <XorA> abraxa_: if you dont mind wrestling I can get you some 20 seconds ones quickly
Nov 02 15:40:53 <srj> torpor: thanks, I'll try that.
Nov 02 15:41:07 <XorA> abraxa_: or bleach :-)
Nov 02 15:41:14 <abraxa_> XorA: Bleach plz ;D
Nov 02 15:41:23 <torpor> whats bleach?
Nov 02 15:41:32 <Xx13> i'm not looking that far ahead i've got gta01, i would be really surprised if it manages to play mpeg4/divx and the rest of them 
Nov 02 15:41:39 <srj> phone calls are still a distant dream i suppose
Nov 02 15:41:48 <abraxa_> srj: http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01.jffs2
Nov 02 15:41:54 <Stephmw> abraxa_: in case you need a clip.. http://stephanemw.googlepages.com/MOV00243.3GP
Nov 02 15:42:00 <Stephmw> MOV00243.3GP: ISO Media, MPEG v4 system, 3GPP
Nov 02 15:42:24 <Stephmw> quick view of the back of my house ;-)
Nov 02 15:42:28 <abraxa_> haha thanks
Nov 02 15:42:31 <hrw> Package libgsmd wants to install file /usr/sbin/gsmd But that file is already provided by package gsmd
Nov 02 15:42:34 <hrw> Package libgsmd wants to install file /usr/lib/libgsmd.so.0.0.0 But that file is already provided by package libgsmd0
Nov 02 15:42:42 <hrw> XorA: can you fix packaging?
Nov 02 15:43:11 <abraxa_> Stephmw: Unfortunately that's not too great for testing however, as the FPS are low
Nov 02 15:43:25 <XorA> hrw: live with it
Nov 02 15:43:41 <Stephmw> abraxa_: that's the native speed of my W880i alas
Nov 02 15:43:51 <hrw> XorA: argh
Nov 02 15:44:29 <Stephmw> abraxa_: can always tell mplayer to play it faster though, no?
Nov 02 15:45:22 <abraxa_> Stephmw: Well, XorA got me a 320x240 24FPS MPEG-4 clip so that'll do :)
Nov 02 15:45:26 <abraxa_> Thanks anyway!
Nov 02 15:45:45 <XorA> abraxa_: dont forget to specifiy which mpeg4, that one should be mpeg ASP
Nov 02 15:45:59 <Xx13> if that'll be playing smoothly, that'll already be something
Nov 02 15:46:04 <anrp> someone say video? D:
Nov 02 15:48:34 <abraxa_> Haha wow, holy crap.
Nov 02 15:48:55 <abraxa_> Welp, that video playback is just flawless
Nov 02 15:49:48 <jeddy3> abraxa_, what kind of video did you try now?
Nov 02 15:50:15 <jeddy3> abraxa_, when does qvga patch hit buildtree?
Nov 02 15:50:18 <abraxa_> XorA's clip
Nov 02 15:50:30 <jeddy3> abraxa_, it works fine?
Nov 02 15:50:50 <jeddy3> oh, mpeg4...maybe not
Nov 02 15:52:48 <torpor> mplayer works great here too ..
Nov 02 15:52:49 <torpor> m_1_2
Nov 02 15:54:22 <torpor> seems a bit petulant on landscape mode tho' .. 
Nov 02 15:56:21 <abraxa_> Dunno... it's in mwester's kernel if you wanna try
Nov 02 15:56:21 <abraxa_> stefan_schmidt: ping
Nov 02 15:56:21 <abraxa_> mickey|lunch: ping
Nov 02 15:57:51 <stefan_schmidt> abraxa_: pong
Nov 02 15:59:16 <abraxa_> stefan_schmidt: Can I reach you sometime tonight? I gotta jet for ~45m
Nov 02 15:59:57 <stefan_schmidt> abraxa_: Later tonight should be fine.
Nov 02 16:00:07 <abraxa_> Groovy :)
Nov 02 16:00:13 <stefan_schmidt> abraxa_: Something special? Trouble with qvga?
Nov 02 16:00:13 <abraxa_> I'll ping you again then
Nov 02 16:00:19 <stefan_schmidt> abraxa_: ok
Nov 02 16:00:22 <abraxa_> Yeah, QVGA... what else ;)
Nov 02 16:00:27 <stefan_schmidt> heh
Nov 02 16:02:40 <abraxa_> To be precise: I can't ever switch the VT into graphics mode to get the cursor to disappear
Nov 02 16:03:57 <stefan_schmidt> abraxa_: Oh, that's mickey|lunch magic. I just prepared the kernel. :)
Nov 02 16:04:34 <abraxa_> Well, I kinda hoped you'd have an idea but okay, I'll annoy mickey with it then ;)
Nov 02 16:04:47 <abraxa_> Thanks for getting back to me
Nov 02 16:05:19 <jeddy3> omg! ...didn't read the raster-news until man, thats GOOD news!
Nov 02 16:06:42 <stefan_schmidt> heh
Nov 02 16:07:01 <jeddy3> s/man/now/
Nov 02 16:07:01 <apt> jeddy3 meant: omg! ...didn't read the raster-news until now, thats GOOD news!
Nov 02 16:07:14 <stefan_schmidt> I mean, he was in this channel with an openmoko.com domain for over three weeks now
Nov 02 16:07:22 <stefan_schmidt> :)
Nov 02 16:07:41 <guaqua> woah
Nov 02 16:10:35 <jeddy3> stefan_schmidt, haha, didn't even notice the domain :D
Nov 02 16:11:06 <stefan_schmidt> jeddy3: Nobody did, we had a lot fun by guessing when the first guys would. :)
Nov 02 16:11:56 <jeddy3> stefan_schmidt, but i had a hunch something was up...with him being here...and openmoko saying something about having a "senior graphic hardware guy" (or something) on the hook :)
Nov 02 16:12:12 <stefan_schmidt> heh
Nov 02 16:12:35 <jeddy3> stefan_schmidt, can't believe no one saw that :D...
Nov 02 16:13:02 <stefan_schmidt> jeddy3: IIRC the first one noticed after ~2 weeks
Nov 02 16:15:59 <jeddy3> stefan_schmidt, aaah someone DID notice :)
Nov 02 16:16:22 <SpeedEvil> cb23: the current ones are inaccurate by 16cm/s/s
Nov 02 16:16:23 <stefan_schmidt> jeddy3: But not in sense of "huh, he must work for them"
Nov 02 16:16:45 <SpeedEvil> Or 288m after 1 minute
Nov 02 16:28:19 <CIA-13> openmoko: 03thomas * r3339 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-appmanager2/ (10 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
Nov 02 16:28:19 <CIA-13> openmoko: * src/Makefile.am:
Nov 02 16:28:19 <CIA-13> openmoko: * src/appmanager-data.c: (application_manager_data_init),
Nov 02 16:28:19 <CIA-13> openmoko: (application_manager_data_set_main_window):
Nov 02 16:28:19 <CIA-13> openmoko: * src/appmanager-data.h:
Nov 02 16:28:20 <CIA-13> openmoko: * src/appmanager-window.c: (main):
Nov 02 16:28:22 <CIA-13> openmoko: * src/filter-menu.c:
Nov 02 16:31:00 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 978 has been created by hrw(AT)openedhand.com
Nov 02 16:31:02 <cdbot2> * * Package info tab opens keyboard
Nov 02 16:31:03 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=978
Nov 02 16:38:05 <wirrwarr> heya~
Nov 02 16:39:43 <CIA-13> openmoko: 03chris * r3340 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (7 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
Nov 02 16:39:43 <CIA-13> openmoko: * src/today-launcher.c: (item_added_cb), (item_removed_cb),
Nov 02 16:39:43 <CIA-13> openmoko: (add_item_idle), (load_items), (today_launcher_page_create):
Nov 02 16:39:43 <CIA-13> openmoko: * src/today-main.c: (today_dial_button_clicked_cb),
Nov 02 16:39:43 <CIA-13> openmoko: (today_contacts_button_clicked_cb),
Nov 02 16:39:47 <CIA-13> openmoko: (today_messages_button_clicked_cb),
Nov 02 16:39:49 <CIA-13> openmoko: (today_dates_button_clicked_cb), (clock_clicked_cb),
Nov 02 16:41:25 <CIA-13> openmoko: 03thomas * r3341 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-appmanager2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
Nov 02 16:41:25 <CIA-13> openmoko: * src/Makefile.am:
Nov 02 16:41:25 <CIA-13> openmoko: * src/application-menu.c: (on_install_single_application_activate):
Nov 02 16:41:25 <CIA-13> openmoko: * src/tool-box.c: (on_apply_clicked):
Nov 02 16:41:25 <CIA-13> openmoko: Fix build after removal of filter-menu.
Nov 02 16:41:27 <CIA-13> openmoko: * src/appmanager-window.c: (main): Move toolbar and searchbar onto
Nov 02 16:41:31 <CIA-13> openmoko: navigation page rather than always being available.
Nov 02 16:41:51 <srj> anyone been able to make a phone call on the neo?
Nov 02 16:41:57 <thos> srj: yes
Nov 02 16:42:13 <thos> srj: I have done it multiple times, and recieved calls
Nov 02 16:43:27 <zilt> srj: no - I'm in a 850Mhz only zone and Openmoko Inc still own't say if it'll be supported or not (though the website still advertises it as a quad band phone)
Nov 02 16:43:42 <zilt> s/own't/won't/
Nov 02 16:43:42 <apt> zilt meant: srj: no - I'm in a 850Mhz only zone and Openmoko Inc still won't say if it'll be supported or not (though the website still advertises it as a quad band phone)
Nov 02 16:45:24 <mjr> the dearth of info on that does suck muchly
Nov 02 16:46:44 <zilt> mjr: nods - it's really a simple question - yes or no.  If no, then they should change openmoko.com to tri-band.  If I had known it wouldn't work (ever - I am willing to wait for 850Mhz), I would have waited for gto02
Nov 02 16:48:22 <ruskie> tried asking on the mailing list?
Nov 02 16:49:08 <zilt> ruskie: several people have (even one very direct question from yesterday) - nothing from Openmoko INc
Nov 02 16:49:48 <torpor> i'm gonna get a gta02 even tho' i think the gta01 sorta sucks right now.
Nov 02 16:49:58 <torpor> i'm hoping the gta01 isn't going to be the little bitch, but there's a chance it may ..
Nov 02 16:50:09 <zilt> silence, nada, zip, zero response to any 850 question 
Nov 02 16:50:18 <torpor> still, i think there's at least a 3rd chance for the gta01, once gta02 stimulated a lot of development ..
Nov 02 16:51:13 <hhf423> moin
Nov 02 16:51:22 <thos> zilt: as far as I know, it depends on if they get certification or not
Nov 02 16:51:42 <hhf423> new images to flash, great
Nov 02 16:51:47 <srj> thos: is there anything additional you need to do on the phone to get the thing started?
Nov 02 16:51:47 <srj> i meant to make or receive calls
Nov 02 16:51:59 <thos> srj: additional to what?
Nov 02 16:52:07 <thos> srj: if you have the latest software, then no
Nov 02 16:54:00 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 979 has been created by hrw(AT)openedhand.com
Nov 02 16:54:01 <cdbot2> * * Neod kills Today screen
Nov 02 16:54:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=979
Nov 02 16:54:03 <zilt> thos: that'd be great - but they really shouldn't keep selling the gta01 on the website as a quad band phone until that happens (or at least state that they expect no problem getting the certification).  ANyways, I'll continue to wait for something offical..
Nov 02 16:57:01 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 980 has been created by hrw(AT)openedhand.com
Nov 02 16:57:02 <cdbot2> * * ipkg lists are stored in flash
Nov 02 16:57:03 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=980
Nov 02 16:57:38 <thos> zween: Michael Shiloh should be able to tell you
Nov 02 16:57:46 <thos> zween: or at least find out the correct information
Nov 02 16:58:21 <zween> thos: about what?
Nov 02 16:59:13 <srj> no,will do.
Nov 02 16:59:14 <thos> zween: about quad band status
Nov 02 16:59:58 <roh> thos well.. if i knew i could tell.
Nov 02 17:00:16 <thos> oh, and roh :-)
Nov 02 17:01:50 <zween> thos: I am confused. You probably mix something up here. I never asked something about quad band.
Nov 02 17:02:05 <XorA> s/zween/zilt/
Nov 02 17:02:23 <zilt> zween: bad tab auto nick completion ;)
Nov 02 17:02:24 <roh> i know there is some problem and have some guesses what that could mean in consequence, but nothing what is decided or sure
Nov 02 17:02:46 <thos> roh: zilt has a point about advertising on the website though
Nov 02 17:02:57 <XorA> thats it we are limiting this channel to only 26 users :-)
Nov 02 17:02:59 <thos> roh: perhaps Gismo_C should update it until something is more definite?
Nov 02 17:03:25 <zilt> roh - thanks - that's been the rumour now for a couple of weeks.  It's just strange as it is a core component of the gta01, yet no one seems to know.
Nov 02 17:04:39 * mwester struggles to keep his mouth shut, as he's already spoken his opinion, and it would be pointless to repeat it...
Nov 02 17:05:58 <roh> thos: if somebody writes the texts..
Nov 02 17:06:16 <XorA> mwester: borrow a stapler :-)
Nov 02 17:11:50 <johnny> anybody else seeing this?
Nov 02 17:11:56 <johnny> etching external item into 'src/inotify'
Nov 02 17:11:56 <johnny> NOTE: package openmoko-today2-0.1.0+svnr3287-r2: task do_fetch: failed
Nov 02 17:13:00 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 981 has been created by hrw(AT)openedhand.com
Nov 02 17:13:01 <cdbot2> * * Launcher does not scroll list properly on category switching
Nov 02 17:13:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=981
Nov 02 17:13:43 <hrw> johnny: refetch
Nov 02 17:13:58 <johnny> i had the same error before
Nov 02 17:14:03 <johnny> and i refetched
Nov 02 17:14:10 <johnny> as of yesterday
Nov 02 17:14:13 <johnny> has something changed?
Nov 02 17:16:19 <srj> -thos: where can i find the latest software?
Nov 02 17:17:00 <johnny> ok.. updating i think
Nov 02 17:18:07 <hrw> abraxa__: I added bug for you ;)
Nov 02 17:18:37 <abraxa_> Oh? Lemme see...
Nov 02 17:18:42 * zilt considers driving into town to find a 1900Mhz tower just so he can make his first neo1973 call.. 
Nov 02 17:19:01 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 982 has been created by hrw(AT)openedhand.com
Nov 02 17:19:01 <cdbot2> * * Mediaplayer does not allow to select files to play
Nov 02 17:19:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=982
Nov 02 17:20:04 <abraxa_> Thanks hrw, I'll look into it
Nov 02 17:20:14 <abraxa_> Haven't noticed that behavior myself but okay
Nov 02 17:20:54 <hrw> abraxa_: atleast I am unable to find a way to play anything with it
Nov 02 17:22:05 <abraxa_> hrw: Did you create a playlist? If so, did you add files to it?
Nov 02 17:22:39 <roh> zilt if i knew how i would gladly explain why and how to solve the 850mhz issue
Nov 02 17:23:53 <hrw> abraxa_: its sick way
Nov 02 17:23:55 <zilt> roh - thanks for that :)  I'm also willing to warm up my soldering iron if needed 
Nov 02 17:24:17 <roh> well.. that does not help afaik.. but we'll see what we can cook up as solution
Nov 02 17:24:50 <roh> -> smoking.. bbl
Nov 02 17:24:50 <hrw> abraxa_: I would not found that without that hint..
Nov 02 17:26:02 <hrw> abraxa_: so new bug for you then
Nov 02 17:26:28 <abraxa_> hrw: You can if you want, though the playlist stuff will get rewritten anyway
Nov 02 17:26:46 <abraxa_> It's just a simple interface to let people use it until I find the time to make a proper UI
Nov 02 17:29:58 <hrw> abraxa_: new bug for you
Nov 02 17:30:09 <abraxa_> hehe okay :)
Nov 02 17:31:01 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 983 has been created by hrw(AT)openedhand.com
Nov 02 17:31:02 <cdbot2> * * Filesystem navigation does not support kinematic scrolling
Nov 02 17:31:03 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=983
Nov 02 17:31:59 <johnny> maybe i'm not cleaning it up properly, cuz im still getting that error
Nov 02 17:32:59 <hrw> abraxa_: I added 3 waves and cant play them ;(
Nov 02 17:33:09 <hrw> abraxa_: k3b_error1.wav:      RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 8 bit, mono 8000 Hz
Nov 02 17:33:45 <abraxa_> hrw: gstreamer probably needs a plugin for that that's not installed on the neo by default
Nov 02 17:33:47 <abraxa_> Try mp3
Nov 02 17:34:23 <nnpiggy> Greeting-appropriate-to-time-of-day. I have a question that I hope falls into the "silly question" range...
Nov 02 17:34:49 <nnpiggy> I'm using uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr2937-r3-fic-gta01.bin and OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-September-Snapshot-20070917-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2.
Nov 02 17:35:52 <nnpiggy> After booting, if I press the power button, a menu pops up offering a number of options. The options "Bluetooth Power", "GPS Power" and "GSM Power" are all grayed out.
Nov 02 17:36:00 <nnpiggy> What am I missing? 
Nov 02 17:36:08 <abraxa_> nnpiggy: Nothing, that's intended behavior as of now
Nov 02 17:36:13 <nnpiggy> Ah.
Nov 02 17:36:28 <nnpiggy> So that's NOT the reason I can't register on my GSM network?
Nov 02 17:36:32 <abraxa_> Nope
Nov 02 17:36:43 <nnpiggy> Drat.
Nov 02 17:36:47 <abraxa_> Try a recent rootfs along with mwester's kernel
Nov 02 17:36:55 <abraxa_> http://moko.mwester.net has both
Nov 02 17:37:39 <nnpiggy> Thanks. Is the September snapshot not sufficiently recent?
Nov 02 17:37:46 <abraxa_> Unfortunately not
Nov 02 17:37:55 <nnpiggy> Thanks.
Nov 02 17:38:18 <abraxa_> You're welcome
Nov 02 17:38:27 <nnpiggy> My daily-use phone has finally died, so my interest in getting my moko running well has increased substantially :-).
Nov 02 17:38:45 <hrw> bye
Nov 02 17:38:54 <zilt> nnpiggy: also make sure you're not using a 3G sim or in a 850Mhz only zone.
Nov 02 17:44:52 <nnpiggy> zilt: I was able to make calls with this SIM in this zone with the image that shipped on my phone. I haven't tried reverting to that image, but I rather wanted something current with at least limited power management.
Nov 02 17:46:06 <zilt> nnpiggy: then you should be fine :)  Recent builds are looking nice - I'm just hoping the (promised) gsm firmware fixes both those issues.
Nov 02 17:46:27 <nnpiggy> Oh as long as I'm here, what's the largest microSD card anybody has used? I'm going to want something larger than the 128M it shipped with...
Nov 02 17:46:42 <abraxa_> nnpiggy: 8GB
Nov 02 17:46:47 <nnpiggy> Wow!
Nov 02 17:47:08 <nnpiggy> I didn't even see anything bigger than 6GB...
Nov 02 17:47:52 <abraxa_> 6 or 8... hmm... okay, you got me there.
Nov 02 17:48:06 <abraxa_> Either way - if 6 works then everything bigger will work as well
Nov 02 17:48:12 <cb23> nnpiggy, 128?
Nov 02 17:48:16 <cb23> didnt they ship with a 512?
Nov 02 17:48:32 <nnpiggy> They may do that now. I'm a P0 person.
Nov 02 17:48:37 <cb23> ah
Nov 02 17:48:54 <CIA-13> openmoko: 03chris * r3342 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/: Update svn:externals for libtaku
Nov 02 17:50:13 <nnpiggy> Cards over 2GB appear to be labeled "micro SDHC" rather than "micro SD". They are mutually compatable?
Nov 02 17:52:00 <nnpiggy> Hmm... I see some 4GB parts with out the SDHC designation.
Nov 02 17:54:44 * xzcvczx is so glad that the one gsm network here isnt 850mhz
Nov 02 17:55:01 <nnpiggy> Where's here?
Nov 02 17:55:03 <xzcvczx> nz
Nov 02 17:55:43 <nnpiggy> Ah. Are you still billed per byte for all IP traffic? (landline)
Nov 02 17:56:07 <xzcvczx> well we pay $10 per megabyte for gprs
Nov 02 17:56:23 <xzcvczx> and i pay $1 per gig for each gig of transfer each month
Nov 02 17:56:29 <xzcvczx> on landline
Nov 02 17:56:35 <xzcvczx> well dsl
Nov 02 17:56:42 <nnpiggy> That's not TOO horrible. It's still metered.
Nov 02 17:56:56 <Vegar> nnpiggy: all cards > 2GB are SDHC
Nov 02 17:57:08 <xzcvczx> nnpiggy: but its the cheapest of the cheap isp
Nov 02 17:58:10 <nnpiggy> When I was living in Tas about 15 years ago, I had collegues in NZ who wanted me to send them CD's of our data because it was prohibitively expensive for them to just ftp it.
Nov 02 17:58:18 <xzcvczx> lol
Nov 02 17:58:49 <nnpiggy> It was very sad.
Nov 02 17:58:58 <xzcvczx> yeah it use to be for full speed $40 per month for 600mbytes per month of transfer and like 5c/mb over that
Nov 02 17:59:22 <xzcvczx> hence why someone i know (residential) got a $28k phone bill
Nov 02 17:59:30 <ewon> o0
Nov 02 17:59:35 <xzcvczx> 3/4 of a terabyte
Nov 02 17:59:53 <nnpiggy> That sounds like the range. Of course, at the time I don't think the whole country had much in the way of agregate bandwidth.
Nov 02 18:00:54 <nnpiggy> When I moved to Tas, the whole island shared a single 128K connection (yes, that is the right suffix).
Nov 02 18:00:59 <xzcvczx> nnpiggy: i am in auckland cbd and i barely get better than 4mbps even thought i am on a adsl2+ exchange and when my modem goes above 700kB/s i get disconnected
Nov 02 18:01:08 <xzcvczx> ouch
Nov 02 18:01:10 <nnpiggy> By the time I left three years later I think it was up to a megabit.
Nov 02 18:01:18 * cb23 is greatful to be on 512k
Nov 02 18:01:22 <nnpiggy> Ouch.
Nov 02 18:01:34 <cb23> and i pay R70 ~ $10 per gig
Nov 02 18:01:49 <nnpiggy> That's still a lot of money for data.
Nov 02 18:01:54 <cb23> yeah
Nov 02 18:01:56 <cb23> a hell of a lot
Nov 02 18:02:01 <xzcvczx> cb23: i am on ~4mbps down but only 128kbps up and $33.95 flat rate per month no gigs included then $1 per gig
Nov 02 18:02:13 <xzcvczx> (this is all nzd)
Nov 02 18:02:22 <Tronic> 9.8 €/month flat rate GPRS/3G 384 kbit/s here.
Nov 02 18:02:30 <cb23> uncapped is like R2000 ~ $300
Nov 02 18:02:37 <xzcvczx> Tronic: how about a nice cup of STFU
Nov 02 18:02:39 <nnpiggy> Is the NZD above the USD yet?
Nov 02 18:02:45 <xzcvczx> nnpiggy: nah about 77
Nov 02 18:03:04 <xzcvczx> nnpiggy: i dont think we will ever go above the usd it will kill our country
Nov 02 18:03:07 * nnpiggy drools on Tronic's foot...
Nov 02 18:03:23 * cb23 joins nnpiggy in drooling
Nov 02 18:03:25 <Tronic> xzcvczx: :)
Nov 02 18:03:26 <nnpiggy> The CAD just passed the USD and everybody is very confused.
Nov 02 18:03:39 <xzcvczx> nnpiggy: we rely too much on exports
Nov 02 18:03:39 <cb23> lol
Nov 02 18:03:49 <nnpiggy> Tronic, what country are you in?
Nov 02 18:03:53 <Tronic> Finland.
Nov 02 18:04:11 * xzcvczx puts up heaps of repeaters between finland and nz
Nov 02 18:04:29 <nnpiggy> Ah. That's about the third highest market penetration for cell phones in the world. I think you guys are over 200% market penetration...
Nov 02 18:05:10 <woglinde> hi ph5
Nov 02 18:06:33 * xzcvczx curses the lack of doco for gpsd
Nov 02 18:06:45 <pH5> hi woglinde 
Nov 02 18:07:31 <nnpiggy> Has the binary for gpsd been released yet?
Nov 02 18:07:40 <xzcvczx> nnpiggy: no
Nov 02 18:12:23 <xzcvczx> nnpiggy: just doing general gps devel
Nov 02 18:12:25 <xzcvczx> :P
Nov 02 18:12:38 <xzcvczx> but for the moko when it is released
Nov 02 18:13:04 <nnpiggy> Are you one of the employees?
Nov 02 18:13:12 <xzcvczx> nnpiggy: i wish
Nov 02 18:14:36 <torpor> likewise
Nov 02 18:15:24 <xzcvczx> not that what i am making is really a phone based application
Nov 02 18:15:36 <xzcvczx> well traditionally anyway
Nov 02 18:16:09 <nnpiggy> What's your app?
Nov 02 18:16:34 <xzcvczx> altimeter once i can get hold of a smd500
Nov 02 18:17:12 <nnpiggy> The pressure sensor?
Nov 02 18:17:41 <xzcvczx> yup
Nov 02 18:19:14 <nnpiggy> Are you actually intending the hack the hardware to add the sensor, or do you plan to use it externally?
Nov 02 18:19:35 <xzcvczx> nnpiggy: internal.... its not particularly hard onto the i2c bus
Nov 02 18:20:13 <abraxa_> xzcvczx: Sounds nice :)
Nov 02 18:20:23 <nnpiggy> Cool.
Nov 02 18:20:44 <xzcvczx> abraxa_: the problem is getting hold of the damn chip living in nz
Nov 02 18:21:04 <xzcvczx> wouldnt be too hard if i was in europe or america
Nov 02 18:21:21 <cb23> xzcvczx, define not too hard?
Nov 02 18:21:22 <abraxa_> ...which is why .nz is out of the question for me as a country to live in
Nov 02 18:21:46 <xzcvczx> cb23: well you could apply for a sample from one of the suppliers and would get it
Nov 02 18:22:02 <cb23> xzcvczx, i'm talking about soldering :)
Nov 02 18:22:15 <xzcvczx> abraxa_: lol unfortunately i really only have nz and aussie to choose from
Nov 02 18:22:37 <xzcvczx> cb23: there are 2 testing plates for the i2c bus quite obvious and so you can just solder onto them
Nov 02 18:22:49 <xzcvczx> its somewhere in the wiki/lists as to where exactly they are
Nov 02 18:22:51 <cb23> nice
Nov 02 18:23:06 <cb23> so, if i could get one of those sensors, i could solder one on too?
Nov 02 18:23:54 <cb23> using my rather mediocere soldering skills?
Nov 02 18:23:59 <xzcvczx> well if you get two and send me one i will pay all related costs and will even send you pictures on how to do it
Nov 02 18:24:25 <cb23> i'm in south africa, i dont think getting any would be any easier :(
Nov 02 18:24:31 <xzcvczx> :(
Nov 02 18:24:35 <nnpiggy> I'm in Pittsburgh...
Nov 02 18:24:50 <xzcvczx> well if we could find 3000 people who want one it would be easy
Nov 02 18:25:03 <cb23> how much for 3k?
Nov 02 18:25:09 <xzcvczx> they are like $4 each
Nov 02 18:25:12 <xzcvczx> so 12k
Nov 02 18:25:17 <cb23> ouch
Nov 02 18:25:22 <cb23> and for 1x?
Nov 02 18:25:25 <xzcvczx> yeah exactly 
Nov 02 18:25:51 <nelson> nnpiggy: SD cards use byte addressing with 32 bits, hence the 2GB limitation.  SDHC addresses 256 bytes at a time, allowing for up to 512GB on a card.
Nov 02 18:25:55 <xzcvczx> for 1x good luck finding somewhere that would sell them as singles
Nov 02 18:26:07 <cb23> hmm, evaluation?
Nov 02 18:26:52 <nnpiggy> nelson, does the neo1973 support SDHC addressing?
Nov 02 18:27:29 <cb23> yep
Nov 02 18:27:35 <nnpiggy> Cools.
Nov 02 18:30:06 <xzcvczx> cb23: what are you wanting the pressure sensor for?
Nov 02 18:30:14 <cb23> xzcvczx, the cool factor
Nov 02 18:30:21 <xzcvczx> lol
Nov 02 18:30:29 <cb23> you seen http://www.componentsuperstore.com/store/SearchResultKeywords.aspx?Keywords=smd500&SearchType=Keywords&CategoryName=40106030000&ManufacturerName=BOSCH ?
Nov 02 18:30:39 <cb23> oh
Nov 02 18:30:52 <xzcvczx> if thats futureelectronics will only sell as 3k
Nov 02 18:30:56 <cb23> never mind, thats the 3k :/
Nov 02 18:30:59 <cb23> http://www.componentsuperstore.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductIdentifier=0273343001BOSCH7251481
Nov 02 18:31:04 <cb23> what about that?
Nov 02 18:31:06 <cb23> it says 1
Nov 02 18:31:08 <cb23> for 15$
Nov 02 18:31:14 <xzcvczx> they have 0
Nov 02 18:31:52 <cb23> :/
Nov 02 18:31:57 <xzcvczx> dont worry i have done my homework
Nov 02 18:32:33 <cb23> any specific reason for the smd500?
Nov 02 18:33:12 <xzcvczx> cb23: try finding something equally small that can work from '-' degress and is i2c
Nov 02 18:35:14 <anrp> well if you can live with spi, sparkfun sells single quantities of the SCP1000 sensor 
Nov 02 18:35:17 <anrp> no stock right now though
Nov 02 18:35:28 <anrp> http://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Components/SCP1000-D01.pdf
Nov 02 18:36:09 <xzcvczx> anrp: arent all the spi's used on the neo though?
Nov 02 18:36:43 <anrp> i'm unsure
Nov 02 18:36:56 <anrp> but it supports using a CS line
Nov 02 18:37:04 <anrp> so if you could find a free gpio
Nov 02 18:38:37 <xzcvczx> i have looked through the gpio info and there doesnt seem to be much free at all hence why i ended up on i2c
Nov 02 18:40:40 <cb23> how easy would it be to add http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=245 to the neo?
Nov 02 18:40:50 <mwester> There are no free gpio lines on the GTA01.
Nov 02 18:41:34 <xzcvczx> mwester: thanks i thought that was the case but good to be sure
Nov 02 18:42:35 <xzcvczx> cb23: you would be better off finding a i2c temperature sensor probably
Nov 02 18:43:24 <anrp> zero?
Nov 02 18:43:26 <anrp> sheesh
Nov 02 18:43:47 <mwester> You might be able to "steal" one from something else, though.  The "reset" gpio isn't used on the most recent GTA01 devices.  I think it runs to a transistor that is not present on the BV4 - which would imply that you have a pad of sorts to solder to...
Nov 02 18:43:49 <xzcvczx> anrp: yeah is unfortunate
Nov 02 18:44:11 <xzcvczx> mwester: define most recent
Nov 02 18:44:25 <xzcvczx> mwester: mine was one of the first public shipment
Nov 02 18:44:27 <cb23> xzcvczx, know where i could find one of those?
Nov 02 18:44:28 <mwester> BV4 - the models that were purchased.
Nov 02 18:44:37 <nelson> xzcvczx: "all the spi's" is not a reasonable thing to say.
Nov 02 18:44:41 <mwester> If you paid for it, then you have a bv4.
Nov 02 18:44:45 <xzcvczx> cb23: they are everywhere
Nov 02 18:44:56 <xzcvczx> nelson: meh my bad
Nov 02 18:45:03 <nelson> xzcvczx: do you understand why?
Nov 02 18:45:04 <nnpiggy> Sheesh! Openmoko booting confuses nm-applet... It tries to connect to the "new network"...
Nov 02 18:45:13 <mwester> I bet roh knows where that transistor for the reset line might be on the board.
Nov 02 18:45:18 <xzcvczx> nelson: no but am slowly learning
Nov 02 18:45:24 <nelson> Okay, let me explain.
Nov 02 18:45:39 <nelson> Spi is this funky 16-bit data transfer protocol.
Nov 02 18:45:47 <anrp> uh oh
Nov 02 18:45:48 <nelson> It has a clock, a select, and a data-in and data-out.
Nov 02 18:45:54 <anrp> 8 bit D:
Nov 02 18:46:00 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 984 has been created by koen(AT)openembedded.org
Nov 02 18:46:01 <cdbot2> * * neod menu doesn't fit on qvga screen
Nov 02 18:46:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=984
Nov 02 18:46:09 <nelson> oh, yeah, right, 8 bit.
Nov 02 18:46:21 <anrp> well, actually, arbitraty bitness
Nov 02 18:46:27 <anrp> you just have to be consistant, 
Nov 02 18:46:35 <nelson> when you toggle the clock, you simultaneously read in a bit and write out a bit.
Nov 02 18:46:44 <nelson> but only if the select is asserted.
Nov 02 18:47:02 <nelson> So basically, you can have multiple devices on the same SPI as long as they use different select pins.
Nov 02 18:47:22 <nelson> And ... if there are no spare GPIO pins, then there's no way to hook additional devices to the SPI.
Nov 02 18:47:31 <anrp> nod
Nov 02 18:47:36 <xzcvczx> ah ok
Nov 02 18:47:41 <nelson> Or, if they hard-wired the assert then you're screwed also.
Nov 02 18:48:12 <xzcvczx> so they share the data in&out&clock but need seperate select pins (unless one is hardwired)
Nov 02 18:48:27 <nelson> yes, exactly.
Nov 02 18:48:42 <xzcvczx> so for x devices you need a total of x+3 pins
Nov 02 18:50:17 <anrp> now if you really want to bend your mind, you'd get an i2c digital gpio device, and use that for additional select lines
Nov 02 18:50:26 <anrp> that would be a spectacularly bizzare (and probably bad) idea :p
Nov 02 18:50:31 <roh> mwester: you mean q1001? thats very difficult to reach
Nov 02 18:50:42 <roh> inside the gsm shielding
Nov 02 18:50:53 <xzcvczx> nelson: hmmm thanks.... that was very easy/helpful
Nov 02 18:51:36 <roh> and there are gpio and spi as well as i2c which can be used for hacking on the debug port and some testpads around it
Nov 02 18:52:50 <xzcvczx> ls
Nov 02 18:52:55 <xzcvczx> wrong window :S
Nov 02 18:53:34 <anrp> .bashrc .bash_profile .viminfo
Nov 02 18:53:35 <anrp> $ 
Nov 02 18:53:35 <mwester> roh: Inside the GSM shielding -- that's pretty much impossible to reach!  Ok, I guess that GPIO line is a bad choice to repurpose...
Nov 02 18:53:52 <roh> yes... whatfor a gpio?
Nov 02 18:53:59 * xzcvczx smacks anrp 
Nov 02 18:54:04 <roh> there is a interrupt-capable one on the debug connector
Nov 02 18:54:49 <mwester> Assigned to something, or available for any purpose (see what one learns when one asks the right person?)
Nov 02 18:55:25 <xzcvczx> mwester: :o
Nov 02 18:56:21 <mwester> xzcvczx:  is the debug connector where you were going to find the other pins for the SPI?
Nov 02 18:56:49 <xzcvczx> mwester: lol no but i figured that statement was partly pointed at me
Nov 02 18:56:51 <roh> mwester: well.. it shoud be able to generate an irq with it, or use it as regular input or output (not sure about the latter)
Nov 02 18:56:56 * anrp has visions of mosi and miso and sck
Nov 02 18:57:19 <roh> http://people.openmoko.org/roh/Debugport_GTA01bv4.png
Nov 02 18:57:27 <roh> eint3 is what i'm talking about
Nov 02 18:57:55 <flexd> I suppose this is a very wrong channel for this question, but have anyone of you tried installing linux on a compaq ipaq 3630? 
Nov 02 18:58:00 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 985 has been created by koen(AT)openembedded.org
Nov 02 18:58:01 <cdbot2> * * today doesn't seem to honour vfolders
Nov 02 18:58:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=985
Nov 02 18:58:06 <roh> its not connected to something else.. the i2c is shared, the rest not afaik
Nov 02 18:58:10 <flexd> bloody thing wont boot onto the bootloader no matter what i do :/
Nov 02 18:58:37 <nnpiggy> Hooray! "Connected to Network"!
Nov 02 18:59:42 <nnpiggy> Oh dear. "Window manager exited because of uncaught signal."
Nov 02 19:00:00 <mwester> roh, xzcvczx: that looks like the place to get the SPI signals, and a glance at the specs for the processor should tell if the EINT3 line can be set to an output (you'll need a pull-up or pull-down, I expect).
Nov 02 19:01:00 <xzcvczx> nnpiggy: lol not as bad as the knoppix variant i used to install gentoo on my laptop if you connect to the wireless it kills x and all child process in the process making a good job of destroying my windows partition which was going throught a ntfsshrink at the time
Nov 02 19:01:32 <mwester> roh: what are the H-TP4705 numbers referring to?
Nov 02 19:01:42 <anrp> test pad #
Nov 02 19:01:46 <roh> jap
Nov 02 19:02:25 <mwester> Ok.  So much to play with, so little time...
Nov 02 19:02:25 <roh> well.. what are you planning when you need spi AND an irq?
Nov 02 19:02:44 <anrp> i dont think he wants an irq, he just wants to repurpose it as digital output
Nov 02 19:03:12 <mwester> xzcvczx wants to add the device; he needs a GPIO output to enable a device on the SPI
Nov 02 19:03:22 <xzcvczx> well its an option if i cant get hold of an smd500
Nov 02 19:03:46 <SpeedEvil> Or an I2C GPIO
Nov 02 19:04:17 <mwester> That's a "light-bulb" moment.  That would work, of course.
Nov 02 19:04:45 <anrp> it would be exceedingly bizzare imo, and prone to timing errors since i2c is generally a lot slower than spi
Nov 02 19:04:53 <anrp> i don't know what's connected to the spi bus in the neo
Nov 02 19:05:28 <xzcvczx> anrp: how slow is i2c.... from what i saw its fairly fast
Nov 02 19:05:34 <anrp> 400khz data rate
Nov 02 19:05:41 <anrp> but you often see 1mhz+ spi data rates
Nov 02 19:05:49 <anrp> sometimes 10, 20MHz and higher
Nov 02 19:05:56 <anrp> you can set it of course
Nov 02 19:06:03 <anrp> since the cpu is the master
Nov 02 19:06:10 <nnpiggy> For pressure sensors you don't NEED a high data rate.
Nov 02 19:06:25 <anrp> right, but it would monopolize both busses while a transaction is happening
Nov 02 19:06:50 <anrp> since you need to block the SPI device while the I2C gpio keeps the spi device asserted
Nov 02 19:07:02 <anrp> well.. you could use i2c while the spi write is happening
Nov 02 19:07:34 <anrp> still seems a bit heinous to me :/
Nov 02 19:07:43 <xzcvczx> well i  guess i would need to work out which bus gets less use as i guess the more important part is how often the reads are done
Nov 02 19:08:25 <xzcvczx> and all the gsm/sound will be disabled while the pressure sensor is in use anyway in my application
Nov 02 19:12:02 <nnpiggy> Yay! I completed a call...
Nov 02 19:13:21 <xzcvczx> nnpiggy: lol i had the issue where i dialed a 0800 and then realised that there is no way from dialer to hangup :S
Nov 02 19:13:35 <nnpiggy> Oh dear.
Nov 02 19:13:49 <nnpiggy> I hadn't noticed. My wife was kind enough to hang up.
Nov 02 19:14:08 <xzcvczx> at least 0800 is free call but had to go through all the stuff until it gave me the option to end the call remotely
Nov 02 19:14:37 <nnpiggy> You could have pulled the battery...
Nov 02 19:15:06 <mwester> Ok, according to the manual, EINT3 is GPF3, which is a configurable I/O port.  It can even be used to wake up the device if its suspended.  Cool.
Nov 02 19:15:12 <xzcvczx> nnpiggy: i had stuff running on the phone that i didnt want to pull the battery for
Nov 02 19:15:27 <nnpiggy> Oh sure, you are adding constraints! :-)
Nov 02 19:15:33 <xzcvczx> lol
Nov 02 19:15:51 * mwester also was surprised to find that one cannot terminate a call from the dialer.
Nov 02 19:16:18 <xzcvczx> mwester: you use to be able to but even if you did it took like 30seconds more to actually end
Nov 02 19:17:10 <mwester> There was a patch submitted to gsmd so that the ATH command didn't have to wait, IIRC.  I'm not sure if it's actually committed, though.
Nov 02 19:17:34 <xzcvczx> oh ok
Nov 02 19:26:30 <nnpiggy> OK, another silly question: How do I exit from the dialer?
Nov 02 19:27:43 <xzcvczx> nnpiggy: just click where it says dialer up the top and choose today
Nov 02 19:30:12 <nnpiggy> That leaves the dialer running. I really mean "exit". 
Nov 02 19:30:45 <xzcvczx> nnpiggy: click the right hand button in today
Nov 02 19:30:58 <xzcvczx> click once on the dialer thing then click the trash
Nov 02 19:31:38 <nnpiggy> Oh dear. I've killed Today.
Nov 02 19:31:51 <xzcvczx> lol
Nov 02 19:32:06 <hhf423> so
Nov 02 19:32:26 <hhf423> the image from today does not start the dialer. error is can not connect to gsmd
Nov 02 19:32:46 <hhf423> does the image from today (nov 02) from openmoko work for anyone?
Nov 02 19:33:06 * nnpiggy is playing with Nov 01 image from mwester...
Nov 02 19:33:34 <mmontour> In the last couple of images I built, the gsmd plugins were missing from the rootfs image
Nov 02 19:34:21 <hhf423> hm
Nov 02 19:35:16 <xzcvczx> nnpiggy: did you find there was a lot of echo in your call?
Nov 02 19:35:33 <abraxa_> nnpiggy: The pwr button closes the current application
Nov 02 19:36:12 <Telo> hey all
Nov 02 19:36:12 <nnpiggy> xzcvczx: no problem with echo at all.
Nov 02 19:36:33 <xzcvczx> oh ok
Nov 02 19:36:40 <Telo> i wanted to find out is there will be an HSDPA phone in the pipeline?
Nov 02 19:36:47 <nnpiggy> abraxa_: That's just not cricket. Killing programs should be harder than that. I like the menu I was getting with the August load...
Nov 02 19:37:09 <abraxa_> nnpiggy: Huh?
Nov 02 19:37:10 <xzcvczx> nnpiggy: if you hold the pwr button for 3secs you still get menu
Nov 02 19:40:41 <nnpiggy> Hmm... That's seems like terrible ergonomics, especially since the button has such poor tactile feedback...
Nov 02 19:41:39 <nnpiggy> Can I relaunch Today from Terminal or by ssh'ing into the phone?
Nov 02 20:05:51 <cb23> http://www.fluffyspider.com/demos/live_videos/flv/fancypants-openmoko-neo1973-video-browser-phone-dialer.html
Nov 02 20:05:54 <cb23> O-o?
Nov 02 20:08:06 <nnpiggy> Wow.
Nov 02 20:08:10 <nnpiggy> Slick stuff.
Nov 02 20:09:17 <cb23> indeed
Nov 02 20:19:15 <nnpiggy> Bye!
Nov 02 20:28:18 <Telo> anyone know if an HSDPA version of the phone will is in the pipeline?
Nov 02 20:29:34 <mjr> not that anyone who can say knows
Nov 02 20:29:45 <cb23> Telo, sure, just like the one with the 10mp camera and the one with the built in teleporter
Nov 02 20:30:16 <cb23> not to forget the one that glows flourescent green
Nov 02 20:31:03 <Telo> haha
Nov 02 20:31:18 <Telo> no seriously
Nov 02 20:31:25 <xzcvczx> cb23: my ones just in the shop having those added now
Nov 02 20:31:32 <mjr> seriously, not that anyone who can say knows
Nov 02 20:31:35 <Telo> *rolls eyes
Nov 02 20:31:43 <cb23> Telo, we are being serious :)
Nov 02 20:31:44 <mjr> (V8!)
Nov 02 20:31:51 <cb23> the NEOT 
Nov 02 20:31:54 <cb23> Neo Teleporter
Nov 02 20:32:08 <Telo> so thats a no then?
Nov 02 20:32:19 <cb23> Telo, heh, nah, i dont really know
Nov 02 20:32:20 <Telo> openmoko v1 for all eternity?
Nov 02 20:32:28 <xzcvczx> cb23: unfortunately the model i am getting the phone doesnt get transported so if i use it my phone gets left on the footpath where i left from
Nov 02 20:32:32 <mjr> no, that's a not that anyone who can say knows
Nov 02 20:32:58 * xzcvczx curses niwa
Nov 02 20:33:10 <cb23> xzcvczx, damn, thats a irrtating bug
Nov 02 20:33:14 <LittleIdiot> Telo: with another gsm modem that would be possible. if you know a vendor and product, fic could use for the neo, make a suggestion ;)
Nov 02 20:33:18 <cb23> i guess it would be like the current ones bug 666
Nov 02 20:33:25 <xzcvczx> cb23: yeah am working hard on a solution to it
Nov 02 20:33:47 <cb23> xzcvczx, try rerouting more power from the gsm modem to the flux capacitor
Nov 02 20:33:52 <Telo> hauwei
Nov 02 20:34:42 <LittleIdiot> any news on the 666? i find it somewhat disturbing to not be able to use my sim card...
Nov 02 20:35:01 <cb23> LittleIdiot, i guess its haunted 
Nov 02 20:35:11 <Vegar> damn lawyers
Nov 02 20:35:29 <cb23> wow, do you think it was pure coincidence that it got bug #666
Nov 02 20:36:41 <xzcvczx> cb23: i thought of that but the issue is is that i need the radio for the transportation of the date
Nov 02 20:36:44 <xzcvczx> data
Nov 02 20:37:15 <xzcvczx> how do you close windows in irssi :S
Nov 02 20:37:52 <LittleIdiot> /window close
Nov 02 20:37:55 <cb23> xzcvczx, /window close
Nov 02 20:38:00 <cb23> bah, beat me to it
Nov 02 20:38:01 <XXLT> .../wc
Nov 02 20:38:04 <xzcvczx> ah
Nov 02 20:38:14 <xzcvczx> thats right
Nov 02 20:38:48 <|R> is gpsd going to be usable over a pand in december GTA02 release? :)
Nov 02 20:39:38 <xzcvczx> |R: when it is released it will most likely be able to
Nov 02 20:39:45 <xzcvczx> people have already done it with the p1
Nov 02 20:39:56 <xzcvczx> and since the p2 doesnt require a binary should be much easier
Nov 02 20:42:08 <cb23> |R, indeed, it should be a simple matter of netcat
Nov 02 21:09:25 <|R> xzcvczx / cb23: cool thanks :) I'm wondering about getting a bt gps but i may wait ;)
Nov 02 21:17:35 <Ghiottone> hi all
Nov 02 21:42:21 <mjr> pfft, no running gsmd on this build then
Nov 02 21:51:42 <mwester> mjr: just install the missing gsmd libraries with ipkg.  I think ipkg install gsmd-plugins will do it.  If it's not in the feeds, copy it from your own build to the neo, and install it from there.
Nov 02 21:54:45 <CIA-13> openmoko: 03mickey * r3343 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c: neod: revert testing code
Nov 02 21:55:03 <mjr> ack
Nov 02 21:57:17 <cb23> syn
Nov 02 21:58:28 <anrp> rst
Nov 02 21:58:39 * anrp does the comcast thing D:
Nov 02 22:00:50 <Fatal> sandvine ftw :D
Nov 02 22:05:56 <mjr> oo, now it worked very nicely. For a couple of calls at least.
Nov 02 22:33:30 <nnpiggy> I have another silly question. How do I answer an incoming call? I'm using the 1 November mwester images.
Nov 02 22:34:44 <xzcvczx> lol is there no answer button either
Nov 02 22:35:28 <cb23> lol
Nov 02 22:36:30 <CVirus> aren't there any plans for GTA02 hardware sale ?
Nov 02 22:36:36 <CVirus> even if it's not ready yet
Nov 02 22:36:38 <CVirus> for devs I mean
Nov 02 22:37:00 <xzcvczx> CVirus: so you want a device that they work out after they have sold to devs is faulty?
Nov 02 22:37:27 <CVirus> GTA04v4 maybe
Nov 02 22:37:33 <CVirus> GTA02V4*
Nov 02 22:38:03 <zash> isnt gta02 the last neo-version?
Nov 02 22:38:07 <CVirus> yes
Nov 02 22:38:20 <zash> that they will make/sell?
Nov 02 22:38:22 <CVirus> I'm getting too frustrated
Nov 02 22:38:26 <CVirus> zash: yes
Nov 02 22:38:28 <aevin> hmm.. soon it'll have (be) V8 , after all! (just what we wanted!)
Nov 02 22:38:33 <zash> aha
Nov 02 22:38:42 <zash> didnt see the '
Nov 02 22:38:43 <zash> *
Nov 02 22:42:01 <aevin> the v8 is coming -> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2006-December/000904.html
Nov 02 22:43:33 <cb23> yay! i always wanted a v8 in my phone
Nov 02 22:43:39 <cb23> i hope its turbocharged
Nov 02 22:43:47 <mjr> it's a common wish 'round these parts
Nov 02 22:44:39 <cb23> i just hope the engine shuts off when the battery runs flat, otherwise it could interfere with slow charging
Nov 02 22:44:54 <mjr> the engine _charges_ the battery, you silly sod
Nov 02 22:45:17 <mjr> haven't you always wanted a diesel-powered phone?
Nov 02 22:45:23 <CVirus> Why not replace the S3C2442 CPU with the faster S3C2443 CPU as suggested somewhere on the wiki by some user ?
Nov 02 22:45:24 <cb23> yeah, but you need power to start it!
Nov 02 22:46:41 <roh> CVirus because they have nothing in common like S3C2410 S3C2440 and S3C2442.
Nov 02 22:46:50 <CVirus> and replhmm
Nov 02 22:46:53 <CVirus> oops
Nov 02 22:46:54 <CVirus> hmm
Nov 02 22:47:02 <CVirus> how about that wifi card that was suggested
Nov 02 22:47:10 <CVirus> it will cut the power usage to 70%
Nov 02 22:47:14 <CVirus> by 70%*
Nov 02 22:47:31 <roh> which one? we are now using ar6k
Nov 02 22:47:41 <SpeedEvil> CVirus: becasue at this point the design is frozen.
Nov 02 22:47:41 <CVirus> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5024332766.html
Nov 02 22:47:55 <SpeedEvil> CVirus: any minor change would delay by at best a couple of months.
Nov 02 22:48:09 <CVirus> The AR6002 is said to be software-compatible with the company's prior AR6001 (AR6K). A GPL-licensed Linux driver for that chip is available, and has already been adopted by the OpenMoko project.
Nov 02 22:48:11 <mjr> oh it's "let's make pointless suggestions about hardware changes that can't happen anymore"
Nov 02 22:48:24 <mjr> time
Nov 02 22:48:40 <CVirus> I understand
Nov 02 22:49:20 <cb23> lol mjr 
Nov 02 22:49:30 <roh> CVirus well.. its a module. but since that is just a press release and says nothing about being buy-able in volume i dont give so much
Nov 02 22:49:55 <CVirus> GTA02v4 produced in moderate volume
Nov 02 22:50:01 <CVirus> what does "moderate volume" mean ?
Nov 02 22:50:12 <thomasg> CVirus: I read about that chipset and it sounds really interesting - even if the numbers (70%...) are useless
Nov 02 22:50:13 <roh> CVirus who says that?
Nov 02 22:50:45 <CVirus> roh: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973#Estimated_time_line
Nov 02 22:51:04 <roh> well.. its a wiki. see the edit history.
Nov 02 22:51:20 <SpeedEvil> CVirus: that was me
Nov 02 22:51:23 <roh> besides that its estimated.
Nov 02 22:51:27 <SpeedEvil> CVirus: that was an estimated timeline
Nov 02 22:51:33 <SpeedEvil> CVirus: a couple of months ago
Nov 02 22:51:34 <CVirus> what does "moderate volume" mean ?
Nov 02 22:51:37 <CVirus> I understand
Nov 02 22:51:39 <cb23> AFAIK M.S edited it
Nov 02 22:51:46 <CVirus> I'm asking about the phrase "moderate volume"
Nov 02 22:51:51 <mjr> due for volume production Q1 2008
Nov 02 22:51:52 <CVirus> my English isn't that good ... that's all
Nov 02 22:52:08 <SpeedEvil> CVirus: I think I meant 100
Nov 02 22:52:11 <mjr> sounds like it could be a swell chip for a successor to the Neo1973
Nov 02 22:52:25 <SpeedEvil> But, it's an estimate, and it's now probably outdated
Nov 02 22:52:34 <roh> well.. if you ask me. as long as harald an me dont have a v4 i cannot say its distributed to internal developers for validation
Nov 02 22:52:35 <CVirus> SpeedEvil: 100 devices you mean ?
Nov 02 22:52:52 <roh> at least that stage is not completed yet.
Nov 02 22:52:54 <CVirus> roh: you're one of the core developers ?
Nov 02 22:52:55 <SpeedEvil> CVirus: yes. but it was an estimate a couple of months ago, that has been overtaken by events
Nov 02 22:53:03 <CVirus> SpeedEvil: I understand .. thanks
Nov 02 22:53:13 <roh> CVirus no. but i do work with them
Nov 02 22:53:18 <CVirus> I see
Nov 02 22:53:31 <roh> CVirus i am a om employee if thats what youre asking
Nov 02 22:53:33 <SpeedEvil> CVirus: it was based on estimates and some knowledge of previous hardware timelines.
Nov 02 22:53:38 * SpeedEvil is not.
Nov 02 22:53:56 <CVirus> roh: OM emloyee ? who funds OM ?
Nov 02 22:54:13 <roh>  .oO(time is a relativ thing)
Nov 02 22:54:25 <roh> CVirus its funded and founded by fic
Nov 02 22:54:35 <CVirus> hmm
Nov 02 22:54:44 <CVirus> never knew OM was founded by FIC
Nov 02 22:54:55 <CVirus> I thought the Neo1973 only
Nov 02 22:56:05 <roh> fic builds the hardware, openmoko does the software. design and validation happens colaboratively since you cannot seperate that without making bad impact on the design quality
Nov 02 22:56:52 <CVirus> I understand
Nov 02 22:58:23 <SpeedEvil> FIC don't care about OM - to a large extent. It's simply a means of making their phones sellable to customers without having to write a software stack themselves. If it's OM, or Qtopia, or ... doesn't matter so much. As long as they don't have to pay (much) for it, and it's usable by users.
Nov 02 22:58:40 <SpeedEvil> Of course, the OM team would rather it's OM.
Nov 02 22:58:42 <CVirus> I get it
Nov 02 22:58:52 <SpeedEvil> (as I see it from an external perspective)
Nov 02 23:01:19 <roh> well.. it the customers choice
Nov 02 23:01:59 <roh> what ui he wants. qtopia also uses the whole kernel from om
Nov 02 23:02:54 <roh> well.. was nice talking.. i need to be elsewhere soon..
Nov 02 23:02:57 <SpeedEvil> And of course FIC can steer OM to some extent where they want it to go. They can't do so with Qtopia.
Nov 02 23:03:00 <SpeedEvil> Wave.
Nov 02 23:03:15 <roh> send me mail if there are anymore questions needing clarification ;)
Nov 02 23:05:29 <aevin> so, when is trolltech gonna buy fluffy spider tech? ;-)
Nov 02 23:06:48 <CVirus> Which came first .. Qtopia or OpenMoko ?
Nov 02 23:08:19 <don-o> CVirus: OpenMoko is a relatively new project
Nov 02 23:08:46 <CVirus> I see
Nov 02 23:18:37 * xzcvczx hates gpsd
Nov 02 23:18:50 <ckuethe> why?
Nov 02 23:18:54 <ckuethe> what'd i break now?
Nov 02 23:19:22 <xzcvczx> ckuethe: because it is proving to be a ****ing c*** b**** a** to work with
Nov 02 23:19:49 <xzcvczx> aka find doco for
Nov 02 23:20:11 <ckuethe> again, "what'd i break?"
Nov 02 23:20:17 <ckuethe> <--- gpsd maintainer
Nov 02 23:24:36 <xzcvczx> ckuethe: oh...... :S
Nov 02 23:24:43 <Ghiottone> is there any gpsd enable program working on the neo atm?
Nov 02 23:24:55 <Ghiottone> s/enable/enabled/
Nov 02 23:24:56 <apt> Ghiottone meant: is there any gpsd enabled program working on the neo atm?
Nov 02 23:25:27 <xzcvczx> ckuethe: well the main issue is that i am trying to create a client to gpsd and am finding very little documentation on what i need
Nov 02 23:28:03 <ckuethe> ok, and what do you need documented?
Nov 02 23:28:43 <ckuethe> and why have you not asked on the gpsd lists (because then we'd add it to the faq or something)
Nov 02 23:29:18 <xzcvczx> ckuethe: i really cant stand mailing lists
Nov 02 23:30:50 <xzcvczx> althought one thing i wouldnt mind seeing would be something like xgps but just a very basic short command line app as its much easier to learn by example
Nov 02 23:31:18 <xzcvczx> well i find it much easier to learn by example
Nov 02 23:31:25 <ckuethe> cgpxlogger
Nov 02 23:33:08 * xzcvczx humbly apologises, shoots self and disapeers
Nov 02 23:33:14 <SpeedEvil> xzcvczx: haven't you read man gpsd?
Nov 02 23:33:21 <SpeedEvil> xzcvczx: it's a pretty simple protocol
Nov 02 23:38:19 <mwester> SpeedEvil:  too late.  he shot himself and disappeared.
Nov 03 00:18:33 <anders_> I've started prototyping my openmoko xmms2 remote control: http://people.0x63.nu/~andersg/x2remote.3gp
Nov 03 00:40:28 <kristian-m> anders_ wow, looks nice
Nov 03 01:25:13 <xzcvczx> thanks ckuethe now i am acutally getting somehwere
Nov 03 02:09:39 <CIA-13> openmoko: 03andrew * r3344 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/ (download.sh env): Get the latest builds from buildhost again.
Nov 03 02:37:45 <ckuethe> np
Nov 03 02:47:31 <xzcvczx> lol has anyone heard of "smoots" as a measure of distance before?
Nov 03 02:48:01 <madwoota> Ask Wiki
Nov 03 02:48:45 <Henryk> which wiki?
Nov 03 02:48:53 <xzcvczx> madwoota: i was just wondering whether anyone had heard of it befroe
Nov 03 02:48:57 <xzcvczx> before*
Nov 03 02:49:05 <Henryk> You have: 1 smoot
Nov 03 02:49:05 <Henryk> Unknown unit 'smoot'
Nov 03 02:49:51 <Henryk> .oO(Though, of course, "1.79 * 10^12 furlongs per fortnight -- it's not just a good idea, it's the law!")
Nov 03 02:50:18 <xzcvczx> The smoot is a nonstandard unit of length created as part of an MIT fraternity prank. 
Nov 03 02:50:21 <xzcvczx> lol
Nov 03 02:50:53 * xzcvczx wonders why google has incorporated it into ge
Nov 03 02:52:17 <xzcvczx> lol read the wikipedia page on the smoot
Nov 03 02:52:40 <madwoota> yeh, heh :)
Nov 03 02:53:04 <madwoota> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_humorous_units_of_measurement
Nov 03 02:53:41 <ckuethe> puppy!
Nov 03 02:53:47 <xzcvczx> the mile and foot and inch should be added on their
Nov 03 02:53:50 <xzcvczx> there*
Nov 03 02:53:53 <ckuethe> what's the conversion from puppies to kittens
Nov 03 02:54:07 <Henryk> "Oliver Smoot later became Chairman of the American National Standards Institute (ANSI)[3] and President of the International Organization for Standardization (ISO). [4]"
Nov 03 02:55:43 <xzcvczx> :o
Nov 03 02:57:25 <xzcvczx> lol that reminds me of the best quote from futurama "dont be stupid you can't go faster than the speed of light, yeah we know hence why in <insert arbitary year here> scientists made the speed of light faster
Nov 03 02:57:29 <xzcvczx> "
Nov 03 02:57:48 <Henryk> *gg*
Nov 03 02:58:47 <madwoota> does that make the universe younger or older ?
Nov 03 02:59:13 <xzcvczx> older
Nov 03 02:59:35 <oc2k1> move the universe not the ship ..... P
Nov 03 02:59:46 <xzcvczx> oc2k1: yup another one
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