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Nov 03 03:00:00 <madwoota> much easier to just bring your detsination to you rather than go to it
Nov 03 03:00:04 <madwoota> so inefficient
Nov 03 03:00:46 <xzcvczx> lol if you got a bit catapult and launched yourself into space and came back down you would have effectively done that
Nov 03 03:00:56 <xzcvczx> waited for your location to come to you
Nov 03 03:01:13 <xzcvczx> and would be a damn sight faster than doing the same on a plane
Nov 03 03:01:35 <madwoota> using mutual mass attraction is cheating
Nov 03 03:01:45 <xzcvczx> lol why?
Nov 03 03:01:55 <xzcvczx> i wonder what uses more energy
Nov 03 03:01:59 <madwoota> because it only has one direction
Nov 03 03:02:19 <xzcvczx> madwoota: lol you wait 24hrs and your back at the start :P
Nov 03 03:03:18 <Henryk> since the earth is moving around the sun and the sun is moving around the center of the galaxy and the galaxy is moving who-knows-where: no, you're not.
Nov 03 03:03:34 <Henryk> there's a deeper meaning in here:  You can never go back!
Nov 03 03:03:48 <xzcvczx> well you can but you will be very lonely
Nov 03 06:00:11 <sparq> xzcvczx: It wasn't exactly a prank. It was, I think, part of an assignment for his class. He gave an assignment along the lines of "Measure the length of the Longfellow bridge using a unit system of your own devising." So, his class decided to use their professor as the unit.
Nov 03 06:02:59 <xzcvczx> just pasting what was on wikipedia
Nov 03 06:08:08 <sparq> Take that with a grain of salt, though. That's how it was explained to me at orientation.
Nov 03 06:09:50 <sparq> If you walk down the Longfellow bridge, you will see markings that say, "1 Smoot, 2 Smoots.... 285 Smoots..."
Nov 03 06:11:45 <xzcvczx> well based on what wikipedia said it was a student not a professors height as they actually used him for measuring it
Nov 03 06:12:03 * sparq shrugs
Nov 03 06:12:16 <sparq> I couldn't tell you which is accurate.
Nov 03 06:12:23 <xzcvczx> meh
Nov 03 06:13:58 <sparq> The other MIT/bridge story is that when the Massachusetts Ave. bridge the connects Cambridge and Boston was just completed, some structural engineers from MIT took a look at it, and found that it was a terribly flawed design. So, they recommended that the bridge be called "The Harvard Bridge," Even though it's literally on MIT's doorstep. So, that's what it's called.
Nov 03 06:16:15 <xzcvczx> lol
Nov 03 06:16:22 <MLP> haha
Nov 03 06:18:08 <sparq> Five years later, when it nearly fell into the Charles, Harvard figured out why MIT had given up the naming rights, and they were Not Amused.
Nov 03 06:18:49 <sparq> There was a great puffing of cheeks and rumpling of cardigans.
Nov 03 06:19:23 <sparq> Meaningful Looks were exchanged.
Nov 03 06:20:07 <sparq> The bridge still sucks.
Nov 03 06:23:02 * sparq rolls up his Cushion of Useless Trivia and puts it back into the closet.
Nov 03 06:46:34 <xzcvczx> gah my neo's too flat at the moment can anyone remember which menu the change orientation is in?
Nov 03 06:53:32 <xzcvczx> :o they do it bu using the command :S
Nov 03 06:53:42 <xzcvczx> s/bu/by
Nov 03 07:26:11 * sparq notes, once again, that computational physics is more fun when inebriated
Nov 03 07:27:22 <sparq> Run succeeds -> Shot; Run fails -> Shot+debugging
Nov 03 07:39:37 <doc|home> what's PCS?
Nov 03 07:39:47 <doc|home> re: 850mhz "It would be illegal for FIC to sell the device in the US with it activated. BT and PCS is the only approved band currently."
Nov 03 07:45:32 <daMaestro> PCS is like "sprint"
Nov 03 07:45:40 <doc|home> ah, so, suck
Nov 03 07:45:42 <doc|home> ;)
Nov 03 07:46:02 <daMaestro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Communications_Service
Nov 03 07:46:49 <doc|home> any idea why there's a problem
Nov 03 07:46:50 <doc|home> ?
Nov 03 07:48:13 <daMaestro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_frequency_ranges#GSM-1900 is "PCS"
Nov 03 07:48:38 <doc|home> yeah, so I've read :/
Nov 03 07:48:46 <doc|home> so it's single band, rather than dual band
Nov 03 07:49:42 <daMaestro> i have no idea what the issue would be
Nov 03 07:50:46 <daMaestro> http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml seems to be a lot of 850 carriers
Nov 03 07:51:56 * daMaestro wonders if there have been any new build and fires up ipkg
Nov 03 07:52:41 <daMaestro> hmm my prepay gsm is out :-/
Nov 03 07:54:26 <daMaestro> umm.. is there any way i can set the correct date?
Nov 03 08:05:58 <daMaestro> hmm something went wrong with my ipkg update :-/
Nov 03 08:11:34 <daMaestro> wowzers! gsm network connected... and the panel icons actually show a connection and a phone call works right away.
Nov 03 08:11:39 <daMaestro> good. work.
Nov 03 08:11:40 <doc|home> :)
Nov 03 08:13:25 <daMaestro> hmm something still b0rked... "today" isn't coming up
Nov 03 08:46:58 <Hopscotch> good morning
Nov 03 08:48:07 <mbuf> Hopscotch, good morning
Nov 03 11:08:26 <Stephmw> mornin
Nov 03 11:08:50 <dcordes> moin
Nov 03 11:11:13 <emdete> what does ipkg wants to tell me with 'An error ocurred, return value: 4.'? i try to install from a local repo...
Nov 03 11:51:48 <raddy> Any stable snapshots released?
Nov 03 11:52:59 <abraxa_> Define stable
Nov 03 11:53:20 <raddy> abraxa_: working gsm
Nov 03 11:53:52 <abraxa_> Well, grab a fresh rootfs and try
Nov 03 11:54:42 <raddy> abraxa_: doesn't anybody know about the latest gsmd status
Nov 03 11:56:06 <abraxa_> What's there to know?
Nov 03 11:56:33 <abraxa_> Everything is in flux so no one can make definite statements on whether things work for everyone or not
Nov 03 12:04:27 <dcordes> could somebody check if fontconfig is building?
Nov 03 12:08:33 <dcordes> I think there is a problem with fetching a file called "device_sybols.h"
Nov 03 12:09:57 <abraxa_> Sounds like a typo to me
Nov 03 12:11:19 <dcordes> abraxa_: no idea since I get no logs
Nov 03 12:11:28 <dcordes> abraxa_: does it fetch for you?
Nov 03 12:11:58 <abraxa_> I'm afraid I can't check right now, sorry
Nov 03 12:12:01 <dcordes> k
Nov 03 12:12:23 <atul> Hi, I Updating the environment of openmoko Build 2007.2, Last step "make update-makefile && make setup update openmoko-devel-image" gives Problem  Is there any build failure problem
Nov 03 12:12:31 <dcordes> I got the file manually anyways and made a bug
Nov 03 12:12:48 <abraxa_> dcordes: In OE or OM bugzilla?
Nov 03 12:12:54 <abraxa_> atul: What package fails?
Nov 03 12:12:55 <dcordes> abraxa_: OE
Nov 03 12:13:02 <abraxa_> dcordes: Good, thanks :)
Nov 03 12:13:09 <dcordes> I have no OM account right now
Nov 03 12:13:18 <atul> abraxa, package openmoko-today2-0.1.0+svnr3287-r2: task do_fetch: failed
Nov 03 12:13:21 <abraxa_> dcordes: That bug belongs to OE anyway
Nov 03 12:13:22 * dcordes is usually building angstrom-distro
Nov 03 12:13:45 <abraxa_> atul: Yes, others report issues with openmoko-today also
Nov 03 12:14:35 <atul> abraxa, does it means it is problem with build environment
Nov 03 12:14:50 <abraxa_> atul: No, your environment is probably fine
Nov 03 12:15:02 <dcordes> abraxa_: are only openmoko specific problems posted to OM bugzilla? like openmoko-* recipe problems?
Nov 03 12:15:11 <abraxa_> dcordes: Yep
Nov 03 12:15:16 <dcordes> good
Nov 03 12:15:22 <fgau> atul: i hve the same error
Nov 03 12:15:31 <atul> abraxz, Ok means i can test my application on my environment 
Nov 03 12:15:54 <atul> fgau, can you compile and build any application
Nov 03 12:16:00 <dcordes> I can't wait checking new openmoko improvements. 
Nov 03 12:16:31 <dcordes> is there any instructions on creating own repositories upon OE in moko wiki?
Nov 03 12:17:21 <fgau> atul: jep, but not openmoko-today2
Nov 03 12:17:34 <atul> fgau, ok
Nov 03 12:18:43 <mickeyl> morning
Nov 03 12:18:54 * mickeyl dist-upgrade
Nov 03 12:21:31 <abraxa_> Sers mickey
Nov 03 12:26:01 <Sup3rkiddo> cool..laforge and zecke are coming to foss.in, would be nice to have a chat with 'em
Nov 03 12:26:44 <mickeyl> Sup3rkiddo: how do you know?
Nov 03 12:27:15 <Sup3rkiddo> mickeyl: thats why they call me Sup3rkiddo..:P
Nov 03 12:27:35 <Sup3rkiddo> mickeyl: bah, the final speakers lists are out
Nov 03 12:27:37 <mickeyl> heh
Nov 03 12:27:39 <mickeyl> right
Nov 03 12:27:45 <mickeyl> i have a mission for zecke then
Nov 03 12:27:48 <mickeyl> ~seen zecke
Nov 03 12:27:49 <apt> zecke <n=ich@dsl-62-220-14-162.berlikomm.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 1d 21h 57m 40s ago, saying: 'moin'.
Nov 03 12:30:28 <Sup3rkiddo> mickeyl: internal issues? or a plot to assasinate me?
Nov 03 12:37:42 <mickeyl> heheh
Nov 03 12:37:43 <mickeyl> internal
Nov 03 12:38:26 <Sup3rkiddo> wokay, ph3ww!
Nov 03 12:38:38 * Sup3rkiddo returns back to work
Nov 03 12:42:36 <oohayulin> Is there any articles about openmoko's installation on zaurus?
Nov 03 12:43:26 <mickeyl> no, basically once you have an openmoko image built, you install it like GPE or Opie images. 
Nov 03 12:43:44 <mickeyl> depending on the actual zaurus model, it's uploading to a SD/CF and then doing some magic key combinations
Nov 03 12:51:25 <Ghiottone> lol! I have been randomly selected as a sourceforge project leader for a survey and the second prize is a Neo :)
Nov 03 12:52:17 <mickeyl> hmm
Nov 03 12:52:19 <abraxa_> haha nice :)
Nov 03 12:52:24 <mickeyl> which survey?
Nov 03 12:52:40 <mickeyl> something from switzerland?
Nov 03 12:54:01 <Ghiottone> Scientific study of Swiss university on software patents and the osso project still open (sg)
Nov 03 12:54:48 <oohayulin> ok, thank you for your explaination. let me think about it.:)
Nov 03 12:55:15 <mickeyl> aha, right
Nov 03 12:55:22 <mickeyl> i'm the sponsor of this prize
Nov 03 12:55:24 <mickeyl> :)
Nov 03 12:55:38 <abraxa_> Smart move ;)
Nov 03 12:55:50 <mickeyl> yes, i felt it to be an important survey
Nov 03 12:56:00 <mickeyl> so i'll support that personally
Nov 03 12:56:21 <Ghiottone> eheh. I'm looking at it right now
Nov 03 12:58:24 <Ghiottone> it seems it's very well done.
Nov 03 12:58:57 <Sup3rkiddo> Ghiottone: lucky you!!
Nov 03 12:59:09 <Sup3rkiddo> ~lart Ghiottone 
Nov 03 12:59:09 * apt rm -rf's Ghiottone
Nov 03 12:59:46 <Ghiottone> ehehe
Nov 03 13:10:21 <cb22> Ghiottone, lol, lucky you!
Nov 03 13:14:57 <Ghiottone> hey it's just a survey, I did not win anything, yet :)
Nov 03 13:29:18 <CIA-13> openmoko: 03abraxa * r3345 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/src/ (playlist.c playlist_page.c): 
Nov 03 13:29:18 <CIA-13> openmoko: Make the playlist creation GtkEntry clear itself again after file creation
Nov 03 13:29:18 <CIA-13> openmoko: Load the first added track immediately if playlist was empty
Nov 03 13:29:48 <mickeyl> yeah
Nov 03 13:29:49 <mickeyl> polish
Nov 03 13:32:18 <abraxa_> mickeyl: Wrong chan? :)
Nov 03 13:35:47 <cb22> mickeyl, the mokoninja videos look really cool :)
Nov 03 13:35:55 <mickeyl> thanks :)
Nov 03 13:36:11 <zipola> I liked them too.
Nov 03 13:36:38 <mickeyl> next batch somewhere early next year
Nov 03 13:36:50 <cb22> do you think the browser is going to get finger scrolling soon?
Nov 03 13:37:10 <mickeyl> i don't know. that's complicated
Nov 03 13:37:25 <cb22> due to the fact that there are things you can click on and the like?
Nov 03 13:37:29 <mickeyl> yep
Nov 03 13:37:34 <mickeyl> think google maps
Nov 03 13:37:39 <cb22> yeah
Nov 03 13:37:39 <mickeyl> you can scroll the google map
Nov 03 13:37:47 <mickeyl> how should mokofingerscroll know that
Nov 03 13:37:49 <mickeyl> needs extending
Nov 03 13:37:54 <cb22> indeed
Nov 03 13:38:04 <cb22> i was pretty suprised at its speed though
Nov 03 13:38:07 <cb22> it seem rather fast
Nov 03 13:38:08 <abraxa_> cb22: As of now the viewport widget doesn't support horizontal finger scrolling either so that would need to happen first, too
Nov 03 13:38:31 <mickeyl> yeah, it was really fast
Nov 03 13:38:45 <mickeyl> on gta02 it will rock ;)
Nov 03 13:38:48 <cb22> indeed
Nov 03 13:38:56 <cb22> with 2d accel and 400mhz processor
Nov 03 13:40:01 <cb22> mickeyl, i don't suppose you know if the shipping costs for 02 will be the same as for 01?
Nov 03 13:41:02 <mickeyl> not involved with logistics, but it's unlikely
Nov 03 13:41:24 <mickeyl> for gta02 we will have at least one shipping hub IIRC
Nov 03 13:41:30 <mickeyl> (one additional)
Nov 03 13:41:35 <cb22> cool
Nov 03 13:41:36 <Ghiottone> in europe?
Nov 03 13:41:39 <mickeyl> yep
Nov 03 13:41:46 <cb22> shipping to south africa for gta01 is $100 :/
Nov 03 13:41:52 <cjb_ie> mickeyl: that's a major yay
Nov 03 13:41:53 <mickeyl> ya, that's insane
Nov 03 13:42:12 <mickeyl> when i was in .tw i have seen that the logistics guys will revamp the shopping and shipping system for 02
Nov 03 13:43:00 <mickeyl> for 01 everything was pretty ad-hoc and manual
Nov 03 13:43:35 <cb22> nice, /me hopes to get one from the first batch... as does everyone i suppose :)
Nov 03 13:44:23 <SpeedEvil> Ebay store FTW!
Nov 03 13:46:38 <Ghiottone> is there any interest in having my ipkgorphan program in OE? if there is, I'll work on a new recipe to fetch the code from projects.OM.org
Nov 03 13:46:52 <Ghiottone> if not, I'll work on other things :)
Nov 03 13:47:50 <mickeyl> what is ipkgorphan?
Nov 03 13:48:56 <Vegar> similar to deborphan I suppose
Nov 03 13:49:03 <Ghiottone> it does the same as deborphan (although much more simple)
Nov 03 13:49:48 <Ghiottone> it search the installed packages list and reports the leaf (i.e. what you can remove without breaking other dependencies)
Nov 03 13:50:33 <Ghiottone> useful if you install program a that requires liba
Nov 03 13:50:45 <Ghiottone> when you remove program a, liba remain installed
Nov 03 13:50:53 <mickeyl> cool
Nov 03 13:50:57 <mickeyl> sounds interesting
Nov 03 13:51:13 <Ghiottone> :)
Nov 03 13:51:15 <mickeyl> please submit that to the OE bugzilla
Nov 03 13:51:28 <Ghiottone> I did it some time ago
Nov 03 13:51:35 <Ghiottone> I'll recover the bug #
Nov 03 13:51:40 <mickeyl> yep, thanks
Nov 03 13:52:51 <Ghiottone> http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2954
Nov 03 13:53:17 <Ghiottone> after that, I got a project for it on projects.openmoko.org
Nov 03 13:53:32 <Ghiottone> I was thinking about changing the recipe to fetch the source code from there
Nov 03 13:53:55 <mickeyl> ya
Nov 03 13:53:59 <mickeyl> makes more sense not to have it in OE
Nov 03 13:54:06 <mickeyl> (the source)
Nov 03 13:54:45 <Ghiottone> ok
Nov 03 13:54:47 <mickeyl> i think it's a cool utility. i'll commit it asap when you have the new download URI
Nov 03 13:55:02 <Ghiottone> great
Nov 03 13:55:04 <mickeyl> perhaps add a small Makefile as well
Nov 03 13:55:34 <Ghiottone> ok. it should be pretty simple. I'll contact you when it's ready
Nov 03 13:55:40 <mickeyl> cool
Nov 03 14:01:33 <Ghiottone> mickeyl, if you want to have a look at it in the meanwhile I think there is a package on my feed (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Alessandro#My_Package_Repository)
Nov 03 14:01:46 <mickeyl> will do, thanks
Nov 03 14:02:42 <Ghiottone> np :)
Nov 03 14:13:53 <techindian> any virtual serial port emulator available for linux....
Nov 03 14:14:58 <morricone> something like netcat?
Nov 03 14:15:42 <techindian> something like serial loopback..
Nov 03 14:15:52 <techindian> like com0com for windows..
Nov 03 14:16:39 <Vegar> what do you want it to do?
Nov 03 14:16:46 <Vegar> just echo back what you print to it?
Nov 03 14:17:18 <techindian> to  test my code without the actual serial device..
Nov 03 14:17:42 <morricone> that's what pipes are for ;)
Nov 03 14:17:45 <mickeyl> bbiab, dist-upgrade
Nov 03 14:18:01 <techindian> Creating two serial ports (/dev/ttyloopS1, /dev/ttyloopS2) which pass data between each other so (for example) I can run a 'getty' session connected to one(ttyloopS1), and talk to is via a minicom on the other(ttyloopS2)
Nov 03 14:19:25 <Vegar> should be fairly easy
Nov 03 14:19:39 <techindian> how to do it..
Nov 03 14:19:59 <Vegar> I have no idea
Nov 03 14:24:40 <anrp> :/
Nov 03 14:41:35 <anrp> techindian: http://anrp.net/sloop.tgz
Nov 03 14:41:47 <anrp> just wrote that, sets up two ptys that forward data back and forth
Nov 03 14:41:59 <anrp> anrp@atocha ~/sloop $ ./sloop 
Nov 03 14:41:59 <anrp> Slave 1 is /dev/pts/45, Slave 2 is /dev/pts/46
Nov 03 14:42:05 <anrp> ^ are the two "serial ports"
Nov 03 14:43:10 <techindian> anrp:  Thanks.  let me check it.
Nov 03 14:43:38 <anrp> !!
Nov 03 14:43:41 <anrp> oops, bug
Nov 03 14:44:30 <anrp> updated, md5 of tgz is 60f09d50ac3bbd028662ff217750096b
Nov 03 14:49:55 <anrp> it'll peg your cpu if one side "hangs up", since theres no rate limiting ...
Nov 03 14:50:35 <techindian> anrp: but how does a component like minicom use this.. u need some fixed /dev/* ?
Nov 03 14:50:58 <anrp> /dev/pts/$n is a tty as far as the kernel is concerned
Nov 03 14:51:09 <anrp> just start minicom with -s and dont save settings
Nov 03 14:51:33 <techindian> yes.. with /dev/pts/45?
Nov 03 14:51:37 <anrp> yes
Nov 03 14:51:40 <anrp> well, whatever it prints out
Nov 03 14:51:46 <techindian> k..
Nov 03 14:51:55 <techindian> let me try..
Nov 03 14:52:58 <anrp> mm, you might need to add -lpthread to the makefile, depends on your system
Nov 03 15:00:02 <LordMhoram> good morning?
Nov 03 15:00:23 <techindian> its works fine. but not gettting a new line 
Nov 03 15:00:30 <anrp> ?
Nov 03 15:00:35 <techindian> \n
Nov 03 15:00:46 <anrp> minicom only sends \r by default
Nov 03 15:01:05 <techindian> for enter?
Nov 03 15:01:13 <anrp> control-A then A to add \n
Nov 03 15:01:14 <anrp> yeah
Nov 03 15:01:43 <techindian> u r right..
Nov 03 15:01:44 <anrp> it'll then send "\r\n"
Nov 03 15:02:12 <techindian> how can fix the /dev/pts/*
Nov 03 15:02:19 <emre_> Hey folks, I have a question, can I enforce neo to fast charge from a dumb usb charger and does it harm the device?
Nov 03 15:02:30 <anrp> fix.. you mean make permanent?
Nov 03 15:02:36 <techindian> yes.. 
Nov 03 15:02:45 <anrp> you can't really, but you can wrap a script around sloop to make links
Nov 03 15:02:46 <anrp> sec
Nov 03 15:04:49 <emre_> There is a line in wiki saying echo -n "fast_cccv" > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/chgmode, but I want to be sure that does not harm the device before trying it.
Nov 03 15:08:11 <mjr> at most it'll harm the device that supplies the power :]
Nov 03 15:08:42 <techindian> anrp: thanks. you saved my time. this was the one i am exactly looking at..
Nov 03 15:08:59 <emre_> mjr: ok, trying :)
Nov 03 15:10:20 <LordMhoram> I"m trying to build today (mokomakefile) and it is dying on "openmoko-today2" -- no providers.  Ideas?
Nov 03 15:11:23 <mjr> anyway, nice to hear that fast_cccv forcing is supported
Nov 03 15:11:32 <mjr> (for my portable battery...)
Nov 03 15:12:40 <emre_> mjr: It seems, working. At least a red light is shown on the charger when I say fast.. 
Nov 03 15:12:53 <anrp> techindian: alright, another update, md5 d1269557466ec24843931a7b119a16f7, same location
Nov 03 15:13:01 <anrp> run sloop.sh from within the sloop directory
Nov 03 15:13:03 <anrp> like so:
Nov 03 15:13:05 <emre_> mjr: Well, on the charger it says output is 650 mA. So I think, that won't harm the device..
Nov 03 15:13:13 <anrp> sh sloop.sh /dev/ttyfake0 /dev/ttyfake1
Nov 03 15:13:17 <anrp> that should be it D:
Nov 03 15:13:54 <anrp> you probably have to do it as root to create those ttyfake links
Nov 03 15:14:19 <mjr> emre_, yeah, mostly it'd harm the charger if it couldn't supply 500 mA and didn't deal smartly with devices that try to take it
Nov 03 15:15:10 <emre_> Well, do you guys think we should put an option for enforcing the 500 mA charging on the GUI?
Nov 03 15:15:29 <Vegar> I think that sounds potentially dangerous
Nov 03 15:16:10 <mjr> I think a third-party widget for that would be nice, but not by default.
Nov 03 15:16:28 <mjr> (Or hmm. Well, whatever.)
Nov 03 15:16:39 <emre_> i'm thinking a pop-up menu when you click on the charger icon on the panel..
Nov 03 15:16:45 * anrp is all about breaking hardware with software
Nov 03 15:16:46 <mjr> the widget should also disable forced fast as soon as it's disconnected from power
Nov 03 15:16:59 <emre_> mjr: it does.
Nov 03 15:17:05 <Sup3rkiddo> ooh, someone forgot to change something upstream or is it my box thats dorky? | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-base:
Nov 03 15:17:05 <Sup3rkiddo> |        libgsmd-devel (>= 0.1+svnr3293)
Nov 03 15:17:05 <Sup3rkiddo>  
Nov 03 15:17:07 <mjr> okay
Nov 03 15:17:10 <anrp> software controlled h-bridges are the best, if you're unlucky you can short the power rails across low Rdson mosfets
Nov 03 15:17:15 <anrp> letting out the magic smoke :D
Nov 03 15:17:27 <mjr> that's good
Nov 03 15:17:29 <emre_> when i plug it off and replug it in it starts with slow mode.
Nov 03 15:17:39 <techindian> anrp: it works..
Nov 03 15:17:50 <anrp> alright then D:
Nov 03 15:25:23 <Ghiottone> Sup3rkiddo, I have a bunch of those messages too
Nov 03 15:29:36 <Sup3rkiddo> hmm, dang
Nov 03 15:30:03 <Sup3rkiddo> Ghiottone: might as well a file a bug report..what say j00?
Nov 03 15:35:43 <LordMhoram> anyone else having problems building current version? I'm getting "No providers of runtime build target openmoko-today2..."
Nov 03 15:42:06 <mockenh_> LordMhoram: same prob here, I'll let you know if I find a solution
Nov 03 15:42:40 <LordMhoram> cool.  sometime you never know if your just being stupid. :)
Nov 03 15:43:28 * mwester knows how to find out if he's being stupid - just ask the wife.
Nov 03 15:44:10 <LordMhoram> that method no longer works for me. :)  
Nov 03 15:45:38 <Ghiottone> Sup3rkiddo, don't know. there are simply too many packages. Also it seems that only the final image is not built for me. I can ipkg-upgrade to the latest packages
Nov 03 15:52:24 <Sup3rkiddo> mm..same here, only the final stage not gettomg built
Nov 03 16:06:45 <cb22> http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=957
Nov 03 16:06:45 <cb22> interesting
Nov 03 16:07:09 <cb22> along with
Nov 03 16:07:09 <cb22> http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=956
Nov 03 16:07:57 <cb22> so how long would a neo take to charge with 1000ma?
Nov 03 16:13:05 <anrp> depends on how much you like to play with fire
Nov 03 16:13:20 <anrp> but lithium has high coloumb efficiency so it should be close to twice
Nov 03 16:13:21 <Vegar> cb22: very very interesting
Nov 03 16:13:42 <cb22> anrp, was that pun intended :)
Nov 03 16:14:14 <anrp> lithium batteries used in medium drain apps are usually rated for 0.2C charge, 1C discharge
Nov 03 16:14:20 <anrp> i dunno the specs on the battery the neo uses
Nov 03 16:14:32 <SpeedEvil> Unlikely.
Nov 03 16:14:38 <SpeedEvil> 0.2C is a 5 hour charge
Nov 03 16:14:44 <Ghiottone> mickeyl, ping
Nov 03 16:14:49 <SpeedEvil> Even the neo (when off) greatly exceeds that.
Nov 03 16:14:50 <anrp> well, i've only worked with large batteries
Nov 03 16:14:57 <SpeedEvil> 5 hour is lead-acid
Nov 03 16:15:01 <anrp> hundreds of watt hours :/ just going by that
Nov 03 16:15:31 <anrp> maybe they're rated 1c charge, 2c discharge?
Nov 03 16:15:51 <anrp> that seems to be what newer non-high-drain lithium cells are
Nov 03 16:16:16 <SpeedEvil> 2.5 hours or so is about what the neo charges ATM
Nov 03 16:16:19 <SpeedEvil> (when off)
Nov 03 16:16:24 <emre_> does anybody use gutsy?
Nov 03 16:16:33 <SpeedEvil> (0.4C)
Nov 03 16:16:36 <cb22> SpeedEvil, 2.5 hours? thats pretty good
Nov 03 16:16:52 <SpeedEvil> When on, it's rather more
Nov 03 16:17:26 <cb22> true, so one could assume that with 1000mA you could charge in 3 hours or so while on?
Nov 03 16:18:01 <SpeedEvil> More like 1-1.5 hour
Nov 03 16:18:13 <cb22> haha, sweet
Nov 03 16:26:36 <Ghiottone> mickeyl, I have updated ipkgorphan with new recipe and a very simple Makefile. All info are on http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2954
Nov 03 16:27:33 * mwester wonders what the fascination with ultra-fast charging is all about -- the Neo has a replacable battery, which is better than fast charging anyway...
Nov 03 16:27:46 <guaqua> what kind of run-times per full battery charge do you get for neo nowadays?
Nov 03 16:27:56 <anrp> are you seriously expecting users to replace the battery when it gets low?
Nov 03 16:29:30 <Ghiottone> well I think I'll have to replace it when software will become useful as it has spent most of its time to a charger :/
Nov 03 16:29:56 <Ghiottone> s/time/time attached/
Nov 03 16:29:56 <apt> Ghiottone meant: well I think I'll have to replace it when software will become useful as it has spent most of its time attached to a charger :/
Nov 03 16:31:34 <mwester> anrp:  I can only comment on my behavior, and I have multiple batteries for my phones, and replace the battery whenever the phone needs charging and I lack time to do so.  No big deal.
Nov 03 16:32:10 <mwester> Certainly not worth risking damage to the battery or charging circuitry...
Nov 03 16:32:10 <guaqua> emre_: i use gutsy
Nov 03 16:32:18 <anrp> ok then ~_~
Nov 03 16:32:39 <anrp> just saying that i don't think most people do that ... not even with laptops
Nov 03 16:32:45 <emre_> guaqua: can you send me the sources.list file, I just deleted mine accidentally :(
Nov 03 16:37:07 <guaqua> emre_: http://kapsi.fi/~che/sources.list
Nov 03 16:37:36 <emre_> guaqua: thanks a lot.
Nov 03 16:38:32 <guaqua> emre_: no prob
Nov 03 16:47:45 <emre_> Does "Developing with MokoMakefile" wiki entry correct?
Nov 03 16:48:04 * mwester attempts to parse that sentence...
Nov 03 16:55:13 <emre_> specifically this one:  cd $OMDIR/openmoko
Nov 03 16:55:13 <emre_>  quilt new descriptive-patch-name.patch
Nov 03 16:55:13 <emre_>  quilt add trunk/src/name-of-file-to-change # do this for every file you are about to modify
Nov 03 16:55:13 <emre_>  ...make the changes...
Nov 03 16:55:13 <emre_>  quilt refresh # this creates a file in $OMDIR/patches/openmoko-HEAD/ and updates the quilt series file there
Nov 03 19:11:01 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 986 has been created by krzysiek(AT)bielicki.pl
Nov 03 19:11:02 <cdbot2> * * ing new event not intuitive
Nov 03 19:11:03 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=986
Nov 03 19:33:39 <emre> I want to make some changes in one of the openmoko applications, compile it and generate an ipkg file. Install it on the neo. Generate a patch to send to bugzilla or mailing list. How can I do it, is it written in somewhere?
Nov 03 19:35:24 <GNUtoo> hello,is there a software wishlist on the wiki?(i would like to have a 'hide my number' feature but per person)
Nov 03 19:36:24 <abraxa__> GNUtoo: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist
Nov 03 19:36:42 <GNUtoo> abraxa__, thanks 
Nov 03 19:37:08 * cb22 imagines openmoko with all the wishlist features intergrated =)
Nov 03 19:37:17 <abraxa__> V8...
Nov 03 19:37:19 <cb22> including the v8
Nov 03 19:37:22 <cb22> lol
Nov 03 19:37:25 <cb22> beat me to it
Nov 03 19:37:27 <GNUtoo> lol
Nov 03 19:37:28 <abraxa__> haha ;D
Nov 03 19:37:35 <mjr> Ooh, qvga mpeg1 runs quite nicely now. Even tolerable, though a bit choppy, when rotated.
Nov 03 19:37:58 <cb22> what was playing in that okld video?
Nov 03 19:38:00 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 987 has been created by obri(AT)chaostreff.ch
Nov 03 19:38:01 <cdbot2> * * text field creates multible enries
Nov 03 19:38:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=987
Nov 03 19:38:16 <jeddy3> mjr, from where do you get kernel with that patch? mwesters?
Nov 03 19:38:18 <cb22> whats with cdbot2 
Nov 03 19:38:23 <cb22> its cutting the first bits off
Nov 03 19:38:28 <GNUtoo> by the way why don't we add a link for the wishlist page on the main wiki page?
Nov 03 19:38:42 <abraxa__> mjr: It's actually smooth if it doesn't need to be scaled
Nov 03 19:38:52 <cb22> what about mpeg4?
Nov 03 19:39:05 <abraxa__> Smooth, too
Nov 03 19:39:07 <mjr> jeddy3, misunderstanding; my screen is not actually in qvga mode
Nov 03 19:39:14 <mjr> though I'd like it to be ;)
Nov 03 19:39:38 <cb22> 320x240 is enough for videos
Nov 03 19:39:50 <cb22> on my ipaq it was dead sharp
Nov 03 19:39:58 <cb22> sure, 640x480 would still be nice though :)
Nov 03 19:40:50 <mjr> abraxa__, yeah this was a "natively" qvga mpeg1
Nov 03 19:44:31 <emre> Just to be sure, it is received: I want to make some changes in one of the openmoko applications, compile it and generate an ipkg file. Install it on the neo. Generate a patch to send to bugzilla or mailing list. How can I do it, is it written in somewhere?
Nov 03 19:48:52 <abraxa__> emre: Nope, you can do it manually however
Nov 03 19:49:50 <josch> hi! I just did make openmoko-devel-image and worked around the openmoko-today2 problem by editing sane-srcrevs.inc just to get another error a few hundred packages later: " src/libtaku/Makefile.am:19: HAVE_INOTIFY does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL" openmoko-dates2 tak do_configure failed
Nov 03 19:50:21 <josch> does anyone also have this problem? and knows how to work around it?
Nov 03 19:50:22 <emre> how, manually? I changed a file in /openmoko/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/.. and make rebuild-package but it does not work.
Nov 03 19:51:05 <josch> emre: I edited openembedded/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc
Nov 03 19:51:16 <josch> emre: I changed teh following lines:
Nov 03 19:51:38 <josch> SRCREV_pn-openmoko-today2 ?= "3342"
Nov 03 19:51:39 <josch>  SRCREV_pn-matchbox-desktop-2 ?= "1778"
Nov 03 19:51:47 <abraxa__> emre: make build-package-foo; cd build/tmp/work/arm4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/foo; [do your changes in the sources]
Nov 03 19:52:05 <abraxa__> emre: Then compile and build ipkg with
Nov 03 19:52:26 <emre> the openmoko applications are not there.. at least the battery applet is not extracted there.
Nov 03 19:53:33 <abraxa__> Yeah it is
Nov 03 19:53:44 <abraxa__> They are in matchbox-panel
Nov 03 19:55:01 <emre> so should I make make build-package-matchbox-panel ?
Nov 03 19:55:31 <abraxa_> Yup
Nov 03 19:55:49 <emre> hmm, interesting. why?
Nov 03 19:55:58 <abraxa_> So you have all the sources unpacked
Nov 03 19:56:12 <emre> ok, i'm trying.
Nov 03 19:56:15 <abraxa_> Okay :)
Nov 03 19:57:13 <emre> meanwhile what about the lines in openembedded/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc.  what should I do there?
Nov 03 19:58:14 <josch> emre: I wrote this before
Nov 03 19:58:29 <josch> SRCREV_pn-openmoko-today2 ?= "3342"
Nov 03 19:58:29 <josch>  SRCREV_pn-matchbox-desktop-2 ?= "1778"
Nov 03 19:59:11 <josch> I also did: rm -rf sources/svn/*
Nov 03 20:00:53 <cb22> abraxa_, why abraxa_ and not abraxa?
Nov 03 20:01:12 <abraxa_> Cause some guy took abraxa already :(
Nov 03 20:01:13 <ewon> nickserv
Nov 03 20:01:17 <ewon> at a guest
Nov 03 20:02:06 <josch> abraxa_: did you ask a staff member if abraxa is currently in active use?
Nov 03 20:02:42 <cb22> it is
Nov 03 20:02:45 <cb22> being used right now
Nov 03 20:03:38 <abraxa_> Yeah, so whatever, abraxa_ works for me, too :)
Nov 03 20:03:41 <cb22> hehe
Nov 03 20:04:05 * cb22 commands abraxa_ to go and carry on working on the mediaplayer :)
Nov 03 20:04:32 <abraxa_> I am, I am ;)
Nov 03 20:04:40 <josch> yeah! make it support theora!!
Nov 03 20:04:43 <cb22> hehe
Nov 03 20:04:51 <cb22> i want a amarok equiv pls :)
Nov 03 20:05:59 <doc|home> rhythmbox may work with a little tweaking, it's gtk
Nov 03 20:06:21 <josch> rythmbox in 640x480???
Nov 03 20:06:33 <emre> there are no sources in build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/matchbox-panel-2-0.1+svnr1626-r8/
Nov 03 20:06:43 <emre> only a temp directory with scripts in it.
Nov 03 20:07:15 <cb22> weird... i like kde on my desktop but prefer gtk to qt on the phone
Nov 03 20:07:58 <abraxa_> emre: rm build/tmp/stamps/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/matchbox-panel-2-0.1+svnr1626-r8*
Nov 03 20:08:13 <abraxa_> Then try building again
Nov 03 20:08:18 <cb22> abraxa_, but seriously, really nice work on MP
Nov 03 20:08:33 <abraxa_> cb22: Thanks - I'll try to raise the bar ;)
Nov 03 20:09:31 <cb22> how do you plan on doing cover art btw?
Nov 03 20:10:09 <josch> rhythmbox in 640x480: http://rabenfrost.net/Screenshot-Music%20Player.png
Nov 03 20:10:20 <abraxa_> *cough* allcdcovers.com via GPRS/WLAN/BT/USB *cough*
Nov 03 20:10:25 <cb22> lol
Nov 03 20:10:50 <cb22> josch, that looks _so_ usable with a finger </sarcasim> 
Nov 03 20:10:54 <josch> ^^
Nov 03 20:10:55 <cb22> although it is cool
Nov 03 20:10:55 <abraxa_> Yeah, didn't find a better page...
Nov 03 20:11:14 <cb22> amazon?
Nov 03 20:11:54 * cb22 wonders if there is anyone working on a picture viewing app
Nov 03 20:12:03 <cb22> something fast, really really insainly fast
Nov 03 20:12:13 <abraxa_> Okay. Seriously. How the F*** can I bring mplayer to F***** scale down the video clips? " mplayer -framedrop -noslices -pp 0 -sws 0 -vf rotate=2 -screenh 320 -screenw 240 -zoom -vo fbdev -quiet /media/card/test.mpg" simply does not work nor does anything else I tried.
Nov 03 20:12:19 <emre> no, still not there.
Nov 03 20:12:31 <josch> cb22: there was a video with mickeyl where he is demonstrating some really fast viewer app for pics
Nov 03 20:12:31 <abraxa_> cb22: I... might? ;)
Nov 03 20:12:33 <cb22> how about mplayer -vf scale=320:240?
Nov 03 20:12:46 <mjr> yeah, what cb said
Nov 03 20:12:47 * abraxa_ tries
Nov 03 20:12:56 * cb22 likes speed
Nov 03 20:13:02 <mjr> (mplayer's ui sucks even more than the rest, yes)
Nov 03 20:13:06 <cb22> like that webkit demo from mickeyl
Nov 03 20:13:13 <cb22> that blew my mind away :)
Nov 03 20:13:32 <cb22> i expected hideously slow, the screen updating line by line type of thing :)
Nov 03 20:13:44 * cb22 is in a happy mood
Nov 03 20:13:46 * abraxa_ bows to cb22
Nov 03 20:13:57 <abraxa_> Wow, that option was well hidden. Thanks!
Nov 03 20:14:08 <cb22> hehe, no problem
Nov 03 20:14:13 <abraxa_> Now let's hope it still retains the aspect ratio...
Nov 03 20:14:19 <cb22> probably not
Nov 03 20:14:30 <abraxa_> Well, if not then I'd be back to square one :);
Nov 03 20:14:44 <josch> gogogo mplayer on moko!!
Nov 03 20:14:52 <cb22> how about -aspect
Nov 03 20:14:55 <cb22> or something like that
Nov 03 20:15:11 * cb22 thinks
Nov 03 20:15:19 <abraxa_> "The aspect option must be a floating point number or a ratio"
Nov 03 20:15:20 <cb22> you could probably calculate the aspect based on the file
Nov 03 20:15:27 <abraxa_> Argl
Nov 03 20:15:51 <abraxa_> Actually I did refuse to believe mplayer would be too stupid to not be able to do this
Nov 03 20:15:58 <abraxa_> Slowly I wonder if it actually is...
Nov 03 20:16:01 <cb22> lol
Nov 03 20:16:08 <cb22> maybe ask on the MailingLists?
Nov 03 20:17:44 <josch> ahr... back to my problem... does anybody know how my problem could be fixed? src/libtaku/Makefile.am:19: HAVE_INOTIFY does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL" openmoko-dates2 tak do_configure failed
Nov 03 20:18:07 <abraxa_> josch: Did you bump the srcrev of openmoko-dates2, too?
Nov 03 20:18:48 <josch> nope - I left openmoko-dates2 as it was
Nov 03 20:18:58 <abraxa_> Might wanna try that :)
Nov 03 20:19:04 <josch> grr...
Nov 03 20:19:10 <josch> kk - will try
Nov 03 20:22:14 <cb22> wow, things seem to have really being going well wit this project
Nov 03 20:22:29 <josch> cb22: how do you figure?
Nov 03 20:22:29 <cb22> like so many entries in planet in the past 5 days
Nov 03 20:22:36 <abraxa_> Okay, with scaling we can have about 15~17FPS... so we might be able to reach 24FPS with GTA02 - time will tell
Nov 03 20:22:36 <cb22> the cool videos from mokoninja
Nov 03 20:22:42 <cb22> gta02 coming up soon
Nov 03 20:22:46 <josch> wow, will check it out again now
Nov 03 20:22:47 <cb22> what abraxa_ just said
Nov 03 20:22:54 <SpeedEvil> cb22: scaling from what?
Nov 03 20:22:57 <SpeedEvil> abraxa_:
Nov 03 20:22:59 <cb22> the 1000ma wall charger 
Nov 03 20:23:09 <cb22> the proper battery columb thingy
Nov 03 20:23:17 <abraxa_> SpeedEvil: 352x240 -> 320x240
Nov 03 20:23:36 <abraxa_> Without scaling we have 24FPS already
Nov 03 20:23:54 <josch> abraxa_: this is great!! but it's MPEG1 ?
Nov 03 20:24:00 <abraxa_> Yeah but it's the same for MPEG4
Nov 03 20:24:13 <cb22> hmm, what about h264?
Nov 03 20:24:18 <cb22> that impossible without hardware?
Nov 03 20:24:33 <abraxa_> No idea, I don't have h264 material I don't think
Nov 03 20:24:42 <cb22> encode some quick, give it a shot :)
Nov 03 20:24:45 <josch> abraxa_: how do I fond out the latest revision for openmoko-dates2 ?
Nov 03 20:25:00 <abraxa_> cb22: I would but I'm too busy for that unfortunately
Nov 03 20:25:07 <cb22> ah, k
Nov 03 20:25:07 <abraxa_> I wanna get this stuff out the door ;)
Nov 03 20:25:13 <cb22> hehe
Nov 03 20:25:43 <josch> abraxa_: if you want I can also send you a h264 video!
Nov 03 20:26:48 <abraxa_> josch: http://svn.o-hand.com/repos/dates/branches/openmoko2/ - 659
Nov 03 20:26:50 <abraxa_> And sure
Nov 03 20:28:46 <cb22> hmm
Nov 03 20:28:46 <cb22> http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=99402
Nov 03 20:29:14 <cb22> gets ~75 fps on baseline
Nov 03 20:29:18 <cb22> thats a p3 800mhz
Nov 03 20:29:22 <cb22> at 700kbps
Nov 03 20:30:42 <anrp> different architecture entirely
Nov 03 20:30:46 <anrp> not that comparable...
Nov 03 20:30:49 <cb22> true
Nov 03 20:31:06 <cb22> lack of fpu big issue?
Nov 03 20:31:42 <anrp> depends on the codec
Nov 03 20:32:04 <cb22> libavcodec in mplayer?
Nov 03 20:34:24 <anrp> lavc is mostly integer
Nov 03 20:34:56 <anrp> wma decider uses floats, ra288
Nov 03 20:35:01 <anrp> maybe a couple others
Nov 03 20:43:32 <cb22> hello MichaelShiloh 
Nov 03 20:44:14 * abraxa_ is amazed... saturday night and it's so active here
Nov 03 20:44:15 <josch> abraxa_: http://www.rabenfrost.net/video_h264.avi
Nov 03 20:44:19 <abraxa_> Danke :)
Nov 03 20:44:49 <josch> ich danke!!
Nov 03 20:44:52 <josch> argh
Nov 03 20:45:01 <josch> this is not the german chan...
Nov 03 20:45:03 <abraxa_> ;)
Nov 03 20:45:09 * anrp doesn't say anything to that
Nov 03 20:45:56 <josch> abraxa_: the trick with sane_srcrevs works again!! it seems to build now!
Nov 03 20:46:06 <abraxa_> josch: Uh... that clip...
Nov 03 20:46:43 <abraxa_> http://pastebin.com/d2bd3a404
Nov 03 20:46:50 * abraxa_ scratches his head
Nov 03 20:47:09 <josch> abraxa_: I LOVE this clip ^^
Nov 03 20:47:28 <abraxa_> I might, too, if I could watch it
Nov 03 20:47:31 <josch> abraxa_: my local mplayer plays it without problems
Nov 03 20:47:32 <cb22> lol
Nov 03 20:47:55 <josch> even my mplayer mozilla plugin plays it ^^
Nov 03 20:48:07 <anrp> 5000?
Nov 03 20:48:23 <josch> h264 is painful - both: encoding length AND the commandline: subq=6:partitions=all:8x8dct:me=umh:frameref=5:bframes=3:b_pyramid:weight_b
Nov 03 20:48:38 <josch> anrp: yeah 5000
Nov 03 20:48:55 <josch> anrp: www.damanatus.com for more info
Nov 03 20:48:59 <josch> damnatus
Nov 03 20:49:22 <cb22> a 200kbps h264 at 320x240 encoded 2 pass should be watchable
Nov 03 20:50:36 <josch> cb22: my file is only 1 pass encoded with approx 1000kBit/s
Nov 03 20:50:42 <cb22> ouch
Nov 03 20:50:48 <cb22> i doubt a neo would play that
Nov 03 20:50:50 <cb22> maybe at like 5fps
Nov 03 20:51:07 <josch> I also doubt that but someone has to try ^^
Nov 03 20:51:15 * anrp eyes certain people
Nov 03 20:51:26 <josch> maybe I should encode several version like I did with theora
Nov 03 20:51:28 <SpeedEvil> In general.
Nov 03 20:51:44 <SpeedEvil> decoding all formats using mplayer
Nov 03 20:51:54 <abraxa_> anrp?
Nov 03 20:51:54 <SpeedEvil> the lower the input bitrate the better
Nov 03 20:52:01 <SpeedEvil> much over 150kbits/sec and it stalls
Nov 03 20:52:06 <josch> ah okay
Nov 03 20:52:07 <SpeedEvil> much over 150kbytes/sec and it stalls
Nov 03 20:52:34 <cb22> i will always encoded my videos at 120kb 2 pass 320x240 with 15fps
Nov 03 20:52:50 <cb22> have*
Nov 03 20:52:55 <cb22> wrong verb
Nov 03 20:53:31 <anrp> you sure? 150kbyte/s is pretty high
Nov 03 20:54:29 <cb22> kbit
Nov 03 20:55:03 <anrp> -> SpeedEvil 
Nov 03 20:56:50 <SpeedEvil> anrp: it's vcd
Nov 03 20:57:16 <SpeedEvil> anrp: most vcd-rate - not h.264, I diddn't test others - work ok
Nov 03 20:57:22 <SpeedEvil> though they may skip the odd frame
Nov 03 20:57:36 <abraxa_> josch: "Error while decoding frame!" - fails to play on the Neo also
Nov 03 20:58:27 <josch> abraxa_: why?? is ther no h264 decoder?
Nov 03 20:58:56 <SpeedEvil> Anyone happen to have some test video?
Nov 03 20:59:06 <SpeedEvil> I have a slightly faster - PII/300 laptop I can try it on
Nov 03 20:59:08 <abraxa_> SpeedEvil: To test what?
Nov 03 20:59:17 <SpeedEvil> h.264 320*24
Nov 03 20:59:43 <abraxa_> josch's http://www.rabenfrost.net/video_h264.avi should be what you want
Nov 03 21:00:09 <josch> äh... the bitrate is quite too high
Nov 03 21:00:19 <josch> will encode the same with 150kbit/s
Nov 03 21:00:45 <anrp> oh
Nov 03 21:00:47 <abraxa_> Hmm that might be it
Nov 03 21:00:51 <anrp> mpeg1/2 is easier to decode
Nov 03 21:00:53 <SpeedEvil> That was 90% speed on PII/300
Nov 03 21:08:28 <SpeedEvil> As a very rough guess - that's about 4* neo
Nov 03 21:55:54 <blinx> where I can get the source of the default keyboard in openmoko from?
Nov 03 22:07:50 <abraxa_> blinx: http://svn.o-hand.com/view/matchbox/trunk/matchbox-keyboard/
Nov 03 22:12:00 <blinx> abraxa_: k thx
Nov 03 23:25:01 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 988 has been created by matt(AT)manjos.com
Nov 03 23:25:01 <cdbot2> * * Neo Advanced product page out-of-date
Nov 03 23:25:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=988
Nov 04 00:03:20 <abraxa_> Anyone knows what happened to aloril?
Nov 04 00:03:58 <josch> abraxa_: maybe he got lost like thomasg did... :-(
Nov 04 00:04:09 <mjr> abraxa_, nothing that I know
Nov 04 00:04:22 <abraxa_> Well, his scripts stopped working
Nov 04 00:04:24 <abraxa_> I miss them :)
Nov 04 00:04:33 <josch> why don't you drop him a line? aloril@iki.fi
Nov 04 00:04:38 <mjr> ah, the scripts
Nov 04 00:04:45 <abraxa_> I left PMs but never got responses either
Nov 04 00:04:50 <abraxa_> Thanks josch, I'll do that then
Nov 04 00:57:07 <thomasg> josch: hm>
Nov 04 00:57:08 <thomasg> ?
Nov 04 00:57:44 <josch> thomasg: hi thomasg!!
Nov 04 00:57:51 <thomasg> :)
Nov 04 00:57:58 <josch> I'm not surprised you are awake so late/early
Nov 04 00:58:03 <josch> in the night/morning
Nov 04 00:58:17 <thomasg> maybe I'm mentally gone (= I'm drunk), but I'm still here (physically)
Nov 04 00:58:29 <josch> I wanted to do an E17 openmoko build
Nov 04 00:58:37 <thomasg> bitbake e-wm :)
Nov 04 00:58:38 <josch> what do I have to do? is there a wiki page?
Nov 04 00:58:44 <josch> but
Nov 04 00:58:58 <josch> this will not activate it as my default environment
Nov 04 00:59:48 <thomasg> if you install e-wm on  your neo/xephyr via ipkg-install e-wm it should be activated by default
Nov 04 01:01:01 <josch> this sounds too easy to be true... I can remember you having massive problems with E17
Nov 04 01:02:14 <thomasg> my I had the most probs at build-time, not at runtime
Nov 04 01:02:26 <thomasg> but if you tell me the errors, maybe I can help
Nov 04 01:10:59 <josch> thomasg: no, no errors I just couln't believe it to be so easy ^^
Nov 04 01:11:18 <josch> I will start make build-package-e-wm now
Nov 04 01:11:47 <abraxa_> josch: That'll take a while
Nov 04 01:17:34 <AntonTakk> last time I tried to build e-wm it died on edje
Nov 04 01:21:47 <thomasg> AntonTakk: you're on x86 or x64?
Nov 04 01:25:42 <AntonTakk> 64
Nov 04 01:38:00 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 989 has been created by abraxa(AT)dar-clan.de
Nov 04 01:38:01 <cdbot2> * * neod closes openmoko-today
Nov 04 01:38:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=989
Nov 04 01:44:11 <AntonTakk> thomasg: x64
Nov 04 01:44:35 <thomasg> AntonTakk: believe me: use x86 :)
Nov 04 01:45:21 <AntonTakk> hrm
Nov 04 01:45:26 <AntonTakk> not much of a solution
Nov 04 01:47:03 <AntonTakk> sides, how would you tell the mokomakefile to build 32 bit cross compiler and etc rather than 64?
Nov 04 01:53:34 <Vegar> hey.. why isn't Oslo in the worldclock application?
Nov 04 01:58:57 <Kensan> exit
Nov 04 02:01:11 <thomasg> Vegar: pah, oslo? :P
Nov 04 02:01:34 <Vegar> yeah, and copenhagen
Nov 04 02:01:39 <mwester> Vegar:  You have the source code ;)
Nov 04 02:02:07 <thomasg> AntonTakk: yeah, it isn't really a solution
Nov 04 02:02:51 <thomasg> I'm on x64, too, but every time I fixed a build-time-problem, another appeared. after I while I gave up and ran debootstrap for a i386 chroot.
Nov 04 02:16:58 <josch> thomasg: hrm... e-wm compiles for half an hour now on x86-64... maybe I'm lucky?
Nov 04 02:18:03 <thomasg> maybe you really are. but I hope it's not only e-wm - because that shouldn't take longer than 5 minutes :)
Nov 04 02:19:13 <josch> only did make build-package-e-wm <= it seems to have thousands of deps...
Nov 04 02:25:31 <josch> thomasg: success!!
Nov 04 02:25:40 <josch> no problems with x86_64
Nov 04 02:26:05 <josch> 716 tasks completed successfully
Nov 04 02:43:22 <kristian-m> abraxa_ see bug #972 on neod - won't mark it as duplicate, as you're right about the bugzilla category :-)
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