**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 19 02:59:57 2007 Nov 19 03:00:18 openmoko-devel-image-1.0-r0 failed sometime in the last 24 hours, so I try again Nov 19 03:06:58 hachi: mwester and I fixed some stuff yesterday Nov 19 03:10:17 I see Nov 19 03:36:00 0 failed, houba Nov 19 03:41:17 hachi, congrats! :) Nov 19 04:36:54 has anyone tried ctypes from python (2.5.1-ml2)? oe builds with distro=OM or angstrom dont seem to build (or even configure) the _ctypes module. Nov 19 05:47:39 kramer__: poke mickey_away about it, he's doing all the python work in OE Nov 19 06:03:38 CM: thanks for the tip; i'm new to this and assume by 'poke' you mean ask(?) Nov 19 06:04:12 yes :) Nov 19 06:04:57 kramer__: mickey_away is a busy guy, but if you can catch him here I'm sure he'll be happy to help Nov 19 06:11:57 CM: that would be great, i've been going through various python-XX-manifest files with his name in them and figure he's the one to ask. Nov 19 06:34:17 hello all, anybody awake? Nov 19 06:34:49 I guess not :D Nov 19 06:37:34 nope Nov 19 06:51:29 qemu-neo1973 seems buggered here Nov 19 06:53:09 Can any one know that sqlite problem get solve or not on build 2007.2 environment Nov 19 06:55:37 ljp: What's broken? Nov 19 06:55:53 balrog-kun was trying to fix some flashing problems yesterday Nov 19 07:00:26 ~hail CIA-14 Nov 19 07:00:28 * apt bows down to CIA-14 and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Nov 19 07:00:47 * CM hopes CIA-14 will be a bit more alert then CIA-13 was Nov 19 07:13:30 hi ll Nov 19 07:13:45 \s\ll\all\ Nov 19 07:13:54 i can't use that damn thing :) Nov 19 07:14:03 hi all Nov 19 07:14:06 i mean Nov 19 07:14:54 does anybody know if path for bug 876 is put in latest kernel? Nov 19 07:14:55 http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=876 Nov 19 07:15:11 this is my holy grail i've been looking for Nov 19 07:20:58 CM: well for one, fatal error: opening dependency file audio/audio.d Nov 19 07:21:50 Hmm.. The change he did as far as I know was only to increase the flash size Nov 19 07:37:39 AUGH Nov 19 07:37:42 nooooo Nov 19 07:37:48 ? Nov 19 07:37:57 CM, flashed the u-boot on my phone Nov 19 07:38:07 Again? Nov 19 07:38:07 it now flashes, and doesn't turn on :\ Nov 19 07:38:13 no, I didn't do it last night Nov 19 07:38:14 Ouch.. :( Nov 19 07:38:20 Ah, ok Nov 19 07:38:23 :-/ Nov 19 07:38:32 well, guess it's time to find a debug board Nov 19 07:38:34 or make a friend Nov 19 07:38:38 Hehe Nov 19 07:39:01 hachi: where r u? Nov 19 07:39:12 hachi: Damn.. Nov 19 07:39:14 SF bay area, california, US Nov 19 07:39:19 ;-( Nov 19 07:39:29 hachi: Was it a GTA01v4 or v3 that you had? Nov 19 07:39:39 V4 Nov 19 07:39:51 Ok, then it was the right uboot at least Nov 19 07:39:52 I built my own uboot and decided to try it Nov 19 07:40:06 so I didn't use yours, big mistake :) Nov 19 07:40:32 Can you start it by holding in aux and connect with dfu? Nov 19 07:40:38 I have another friend who has a V3, I think Nov 19 07:40:47 no, it just flashes even with aux down Nov 19 07:40:55 hachi: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_San_Francisco Nov 19 07:41:17 Lucky bastard.. There's not a single person with a debugboard in the whole of Sweden.. Nov 19 07:41:41 silicon valley :) Nov 19 07:41:51 Hehe Nov 19 07:42:19 :\ Nov 19 07:42:23 none of them on IRC, it seems Nov 19 07:43:46 scratch that Nov 19 07:43:51 it was a timing glitch or something Nov 19 07:44:00 uboot came up now... no kernel it seems? Nov 19 07:44:18 (I gave it a break without the battery) Nov 19 07:44:30 hey sweet, I can get into the dfu Nov 19 07:47:39 hachi: Ah, nice :) Nov 19 07:47:54 so lucky Nov 19 07:48:37 audio's working today too Nov 19 07:55:43 anybody knows if it's in latest kernel? http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=876 Nov 19 07:58:43 I don't see it yet Nov 19 08:00:59 moin Nov 19 08:03:40 zdanek: no sign of it in my build (from about 6 hours ago) Nov 19 08:15:56 hachi: thx Nov 19 08:16:24 hachi: is possible for you to include this patch and set you build for public? Nov 19 08:16:28 eg. for me? Nov 19 08:16:39 I don't have production env set up Nov 19 08:17:05 zdanek: Ask ScaredyCat or mwester maybe :) Nov 19 08:18:14 yeah, cause I don't have a clue yet Nov 19 08:18:50 http://hachi.dyndns.org:8888/~hachi/moko/neo1973/ # mah builds for the moment Nov 19 08:18:55 CM: I will Nov 19 08:19:30 ScaredyCat or mwester - are you guys online? Nov 19 08:19:48 ...and listening? Nov 19 08:22:01 mwester: is in us, so probably sleeping, and ScaredyCat is just being lazy ;) Nov 19 08:22:12 * CM pokes the Cat Nov 19 08:26:14 ehe Nov 19 08:35:14 guys, which of latest builds do you recommend as quite stable? Nov 19 08:35:29 I did some ipkg upgrades and all is gone :) Nov 19 08:38:13 zdanek: I think any recent ones work well, at least for me Nov 19 08:39:25 zdanek: These are the ones I'm running now: http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/2007.2/ Nov 19 08:42:19 CM: thx Nov 19 08:47:04 For me audio works fine, and calling works for the first time in a long while Nov 19 08:53:34 is there a changelog for the 2007.2 builds? Nov 19 09:01:12 Psi: Is commit logs good enough? Nov 19 09:05:15 sup folks Nov 19 09:15:11 Morning :) Nov 19 09:15:42 hows thigns cm? Nov 19 09:33:55 * daMaestro fires up neo1973 to update Nov 19 09:34:22 btw, if anyone wants to add this http://f3dora.org/paste/476 to the wiki, i've not had time Nov 19 09:34:26 it works pretty damn well Nov 19 09:35:00 wow.. i really need to put that into prod mode Nov 19 09:36:22 damn, hmm proxy errors now Nov 19 09:37:41 fixed Nov 19 09:44:28 I still have a virgin neo here. should I upgrade the uboot or is the factory uboot fine for all snapshots in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing? Nov 19 09:44:42 do you have the debug board? Nov 19 09:44:45 yes Nov 19 09:44:50 might as well update uboot Nov 19 09:45:08 I thought so Nov 19 09:45:49 ScaredyCat seems to have released lots of snapshots Nov 19 09:45:57 I wonder which one I should try first Nov 19 09:46:05 i've been updating with ipkg Nov 19 09:50:59 The San Diego fires were the work of illegal aliens hellbent on destroying the gay niggger ghetto.  "Pennisbird watched with horror as 6 nigggher faggs burnt to death, leaving their black smooth muscular bodies motionless in a puddle of gay nigggher seemen with their oiled frizzy hair up in smoke.  United GNAA releif fund is curently paying for his therapy", said GNAA President Timecop  Nov 19 09:50:59 Gay niggger Commandos in response are raiding migrant camps just south of LA, filling wetback anuses with rich foamy nigggger spooge.  GNAA won't be nobody's fool.  Lt Col CunntSlime, spokesnighhgger for GNAA special ops declined to comment on exact location or future plans.  "All further questions are to be directed to DiKKy, our Norwegian field marshall", said CunntSlime.  "We will avenge this Jew-funded wetb Nov 19 09:51:43 wtf? Nov 19 09:52:08 it's amazing how many people really need to get a life Nov 19 09:52:30 darn.. the last ipkg update screwed up matchbox again Nov 19 09:52:46 * daMaestro watches the om please wait... screen Nov 19 09:53:30 ok, I'll go for OpenMoko-scaredycat-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20071118-fic-gta01.rootfs Nov 19 09:54:05 ruxpin: sounds good Nov 19 09:54:11 but it is not that important Nov 19 09:54:20 you can update it with ipkg after flashing Nov 19 09:54:49 for now I'd like to see something else besides kernel panic :) Nov 19 09:54:53 :D Nov 19 09:55:00 * * OM Bug 1014 has been created by sean_chiang(AT)openmoko.com Nov 19 09:55:01 yeah, when there are not update conflicts Nov 19 09:55:02 * * gsmd doesn't work in x86 platform Nov 19 09:55:03 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1014 Nov 19 09:55:14 ruxpin, you need to make sure to flash the matching kernel also Nov 19 09:56:06 daMaestro: yes, the module directories need to match the kernel version Nov 19 09:56:35 * daMaestro might have to flash now too, the last ipkg update didn't play nice Nov 19 09:57:46 this is the latest I found: uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr3238-r8-neo1973.bin Nov 19 09:58:17 hahahaha, GPRS on my moko working Nov 19 09:58:27 damn, no iptables Nov 19 09:58:33 I can't make it a gateway device Nov 19 10:00:27 hachi: iptables and all the modules are built and packaged, arnen't they? Nov 19 10:00:39 maybe I just need to install it via ipkg then Nov 19 10:06:36 how do I find out whether this device is Bv03 or Bv04? Nov 19 10:06:43 open the back lid Nov 19 10:06:47 there's a sticker inside Nov 19 10:07:18 GTA01B_V4 mine says Nov 19 10:07:31 ah right Nov 19 10:07:52 Bv4 Nov 19 10:11:18 hmm .. wonder why this happens: Nov 19 10:11:18 http://rafb.net/p/MgtZub42.html Nov 19 10:12:37 LaF0rge: I don't have an 'iptables' runtime command Nov 19 10:12:42 I have all the modules and stuff though Nov 19 10:15:44 flexd, ping Nov 19 10:15:49 hachi: is there no ipk for it? Nov 19 10:17:12 Psi: Is commit logs good enough? <- i just think it would be nice if i could see what's new in each build Nov 19 10:17:19 nope Nov 19 10:17:36 can I get the logs of this channel for the past 4 days from anywhere? Nov 19 10:19:22 josch: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23openmoko/ Nov 19 10:19:24 hachi: I've just built iptables on buildhost Nov 19 10:19:39 hachi: so it should be in tmp/deploy/glibc/armv4t/ Nov 19 10:19:42 drath, thx Nov 19 10:22:18 morning Laforge.. nice to see you here Nov 19 10:22:34 ^ Nov 19 10:27:47 touché Nov 19 10:30:44 I guess it's ok to download .tar files instead of .jffs2? Nov 19 10:30:59 for the rootfs Nov 19 10:31:06 I don't think it is Nov 19 10:31:22 ruxpin, you need tar to deploy to sdcard Nov 19 10:31:22 I certainly wouldn't be doing that on any machine I've ever done weird boot things with Nov 19 10:31:35 and jffs2 to copy to nand Nov 19 10:31:35 oh sd... interesting Nov 19 10:32:05 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD Nov 19 10:32:31 the tar image is twice as big as the jffs2 Nov 19 10:32:33 josch: ping Nov 19 10:32:35 Hold on back later Nov 19 10:32:40 I've got the solution for that problem. Nov 19 10:32:47 but im at work, busy busy :( Nov 19 10:33:02 flexd, well I just read the log about gobject.io_add_watch(conn, gobject.IO_IN, handler) ^^ Nov 19 10:42:15 josch: Nov 19 10:42:18 hold on Nov 19 10:44:01 if i do "make build-package-hello" in ~/moko directory, it builds the package; but, if i invoke same "make build-package-hello" via build_execute_command() from an IDE plugin with PARENT directory as ~/moko/ I get 'no rule to make target build-package-hello' - urgh! Nov 19 10:45:21 josch: http://pastebin.com/f5bb736f4 Nov 19 10:45:37 atleast that semi-works Nov 19 10:45:48 but twisted has gtk implemented Nov 19 10:45:53 flexd, thx! will have a look into it Nov 19 10:45:59 so it's usable for sockets and anything network related too Nov 19 10:46:00 *and* Nov 19 10:46:07 mickey_away says twisted works on om :) Nov 19 10:48:43 ^^ Nov 19 10:52:25 but anyway, i really wanna help out with that project Nov 19 10:52:42 cause i need a new project, and when i get a neo i wanna work with python alot :o Nov 19 10:53:25 flexd, you mean with pygsmd? Nov 19 10:53:32 pygsm/pyphone Nov 19 10:53:37 py-anything! Nov 19 10:53:45 flexd, just msg Sup3rkiddo ^^ Nov 19 11:00:06 hmm k Nov 19 11:02:53 ~seen yoyo Nov 19 11:03:00 yoyo was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 2d 20h 3m 33s ago, saying: 'bye'. Nov 19 11:04:35 flexd: you are welcome to screw around Nov 19 11:04:46 great :) Nov 19 11:07:47 flexd: if your image is borked, please go ahead and setup phonesim, or if not you could very well use the qemu Nov 19 11:08:13 I dont have a neo yet Nov 19 11:08:21 So i havent really started trying anything yet Nov 19 11:08:38 i tried qemu on my laptop, but that problem with ubuntu/qemu is still there, so i dunno yet Nov 19 11:09:30 flexd: yeah, we will be depending only on gsmd, so just setup a gsmd + phonesim on your desktop itself.. Nov 19 11:10:27 hmm k Nov 19 11:10:37 Will do later today :) Nov 19 11:10:37 flexd: http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2007/10/28/qpe-430-plus-qemu/#comment-113 Nov 19 11:10:48 ~trout flexd Nov 19 11:10:48 * apt slaps flexd around a bit with a large trout! Nov 19 11:11:28 stop the trouting! :( Nov 19 11:11:39 Hehe Nov 19 11:11:48 i'l look at it later Nov 19 11:11:54 doing some python haxing atm, need to focus Nov 19 11:12:00 or i'l break it (i'l break it anyhow!) Nov 19 11:12:50 flexd: take your time dude, just kidding... Nov 19 11:13:28 * Sup3rkiddo wanders off to take a nap Nov 19 11:13:51 g'night Nov 19 11:14:23 it's 12:14.... Nov 19 11:14:29 mid day! Nov 19 11:14:39 josch: evening, stress of writing an exam, just a cat nap really...4:45 PM Nov 19 11:14:42 flexd, you come from europe? Nov 19 11:15:14 4:45 - I see there are just 2h difference in our time. good! Nov 19 11:16:40 Or 4h? Nov 19 11:16:56 CM, ?? Nov 19 11:17:07 ack Nov 19 11:17:10 -_- Nov 19 11:17:15 yeah... 4h... Nov 19 11:17:19 Hmm.. 4.5 even Nov 19 11:17:21 josch: yes, norway Nov 19 11:17:30 12.15 - 16.45 :) Nov 19 11:17:35 it's 12:14 here now :o Nov 19 11:17:42 * CM gets some lunch Nov 19 11:17:44 flexd, great! I'm from germany - same time Nov 19 11:18:00 flexd: We always knew the norwegians were a bit slow.. ;) Nov 19 11:18:16 * CM has 12:17 here Nov 19 11:18:32 12:18:16 * CM has 12:17 here Nov 19 11:18:35 ooh Nov 19 11:18:37 lunch, i'm hungry Nov 19 11:18:46 my cellphone says 12:17 :< Nov 19 11:18:52 I blame ubuntu, it's the slow. Nov 19 11:19:02 and, my python code just worked :O Nov 19 11:19:05 I cite xkcd: "Mom. I'm hungry" - "hush, i'm coding. You ate yesterday" Nov 19 11:19:08 ntp ftw Nov 19 11:20:41 josch: lol. Nov 19 11:21:19 very good -- the image booted :) Nov 19 11:33:53 but it seems that the dialer is dead :/ Nov 19 11:37:51 oh wait -- it does :) Nov 19 12:22:24 I couldn't figure out how to activate the gps (didn't try the terminal) and I can't find the received SMS message Nov 19 12:22:32 other than that, very nice! Nov 19 12:22:56 from the power buttom menu, the gps didn't power on, it just stayed disabled Nov 19 12:23:28 ruxpin: there is no gui for sms receiving/sending yet Nov 19 12:24:44 oh Nov 19 12:25:28 can I access the messages from the cli? Nov 19 12:25:38 yes Nov 19 12:25:47 is there a document that describes the sms framework? Nov 19 12:26:34 ruxpin: Maybe keep track of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SMSTool Nov 19 12:26:36 :) Nov 19 12:26:46 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_SMS Nov 19 12:45:28 thanks Nov 19 12:46:03 heh, the project manager seems to like this :p Nov 19 12:46:33 next step: compilation from trunk Nov 19 13:04:07 http://pastebin.com/d7976597b - what is wrong? (shell code) Nov 19 13:05:01 yo Nov 19 13:05:40 hrw: since when does the shell do hex expansion? Nov 19 13:08:06 ok, so how to make hex->dec in shell? only old busybox available (bc, dc) Nov 19 13:08:40 let x=0xfffe Nov 19 13:10:01 0xdeadbeef! Nov 19 13:10:10 the problem is that I need d2 as hex more often then as decimal Nov 19 13:10:15 0xcoffee Nov 19 13:10:28 echo -e "ibase=16\nabcdef" | bc ? Nov 19 13:10:28 how many people can read hey if only you and dead people can read hex? Nov 19 13:10:44 mjr, lol Nov 19 13:11:28 0xC0CAC01A Nov 19 13:11:28 4 if [ $D1 -gt $(($D2)) ] Nov 19 13:11:59 josch: Heh, that was a fun one Nov 19 13:12:57 gneeh! Nov 19 13:13:29 let X=0xff; echo $X works Nov 19 13:18:51 03chris * r3437 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-dialer-sms.c): Nov 19 13:18:51 * src/phone-kit/moko-dialer-sms.c: (status_report_added_cb), Nov 19 13:18:51 (store_sms), (gsmd_eventhandler), (sms_msghandler), Nov 19 13:18:51 (moko_dialer_sms_init): Nov 19 13:18:51 Handle non in-line SMS events, move all SMS's on SIM to journal on Nov 19 13:18:53 startup, add lots of debugging statements Nov 19 13:20:15 are there any drafts for a real sms program yet? Nov 19 13:22:47 zash, well, I'm writing one in python Nov 19 13:23:24 nice, hows it going? Nov 19 13:25:29 zash, the only problem now is the python gsmd binding so I'm cooperating with Sup3rkiddo who writes such a binding Nov 19 13:25:55 smstool on the wiki? Nov 19 13:27:32 zash, no smstool is written by kristian-m and does not use gsmd but uses an interface to libgsmd-tool to write sms Nov 19 13:27:48 so smstool can only send them and not receive Nov 19 13:36:28 does anyone know carriers working in austria with neo? Nov 19 13:36:35 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers Nov 19 13:36:49 only has some links to german carriers... Nov 19 13:36:53 Do you mean which carriers work? Nov 19 13:36:58 see the Note under Europe Nov 19 13:37:12 basically if you can put your SIM into any GSM phone and have it work, it'll work Nov 19 13:37:48 I tried it with 'bob' and it did NOT work ;-( Nov 19 13:38:22 but I have more sim cards as well, so I schould try it out - THANKS! Nov 19 13:38:26 Wonder if it's that SIM issue. (There's a patch, but distribution thereof is difficult) Nov 19 13:39:01 horvatj73_: i'm using t-mobile. Nov 19 13:40:05 okay, I have t-mobile as well... Nov 19 13:53:18 03chris * r3438 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-dialer-sms.c): Nov 19 13:53:18 * src/phone-kit/moko-dialer-sms.c: (moko_dialer_sms_finalize), Nov 19 13:53:18 (connection_source_prepare), (connection_source_check), Nov 19 13:53:18 (connection_source_dispatch), (moko_dialer_sms_init): Nov 19 13:53:18 Don't forget to actually poll for events... Nov 19 13:54:53 03thomas * r3439 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-appmanager2/ (ChangeLog src/navigation-area.c src/search-bar.c): Nov 19 13:54:53 * src/navigation-area.c: (model_filter_func): Nov 19 13:54:53 * src/search-bar.c: (text_changed_cb), (combo_changed_cb): Fix text Nov 19 13:54:53 searching Nov 19 14:07:06 torpor: thx, t-mobile works, trying other (one, a1, etc.) this afternood! Nov 19 14:12:01 ;) Nov 19 14:16:34 torpor: okay a1 works as well, but bob (as you know an a1 too) doesn't work ;-( Nov 19 14:17:18 there is a big with some sims, as mentioned. Nov 19 14:17:53 oh, aha! Nov 19 14:18:22 !ombug 666 Nov 19 14:18:23 * * Bug 666, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown Nov 19 14:18:24 * * steven.demetrius(AT)fiwwi.com: 3G SIM capability Nov 19 14:18:25 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=666 Nov 19 14:27:14 i see the samsung u600 isn't supported :( Nov 19 14:54:52 hi Nov 19 15:21:50 03thomas * r3441 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-appmanager2/ (ChangeLog src/search-bar.c): * src/search-bar.c: (text_changed_cb): Don't leak the search string Nov 19 15:26:47 Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/ipk/neo1973/Packages.gz Nov 19 15:26:50 wget: server returned error 404: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found Nov 19 15:26:53 this is from the latest mokomakefile image Nov 19 15:26:58 is there another host to be used for that? Nov 19 15:32:33 torpor: I think ScaredyCat has them Nov 19 15:34:03 Hmm, but his is empty ;) Nov 19 15:34:50 Ah, nope. It was the om buildhose that was empty. Nov 19 15:35:04 torpor: From yesterday: http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/neo1973/Packages.gz Nov 19 16:07:47 80 Nov 19 16:07:59 80? Nov 19 16:08:18 21? Nov 19 16:08:36 42? Nov 19 16:08:40 ;) Nov 19 16:09:51 81 - i win Nov 19 16:10:13 mh Nov 19 16:10:17 what was the question? :) Nov 19 16:11:29 good question Nov 19 16:12:44 443 -- I'm more secure than you! Nov 19 16:13:48 404 - you lost Nov 19 16:14:55 * DPThought just updated his phone today. And it phones, right out of the box. Never had this. :) Nov 19 16:15:12 have no ring tone tough Nov 19 16:15:35 my phone's on vibraa-aa-aa-aaa-te for you... Nov 19 16:16:20 at least :) Nov 19 16:21:32 i have a quick question, did the moko-finger-scroll widget change looks between 2007.1 and 2007.2 ? Nov 19 16:22:17 i've only seen the screenshots from 2007.1...if it looks different now, could someone upload a screenshot to scap.linuxtogo.net? :) Nov 19 16:22:41 xaid|work: there is no moko-finger-scroll widget anymore Nov 19 16:23:16 hrw: i didn't know that. so we just use the sliders if the page spans more than the screen size? Nov 19 16:23:26 use finger Nov 19 16:23:30 like on iphone Nov 19 16:23:48 thats easier :) Nov 19 16:36:15 hi Nov 19 16:38:03 hi yoyo Nov 19 16:43:07 hi Nov 19 16:52:05 to build present uImage using makeopenmoko a shood do make build-package-linux? yes? Nov 19 16:56:05 yoyo: make openmoko-devel-image Nov 19 16:56:18 Ah, sorry Nov 19 16:56:30 yoyo: You're right, that's the uImage for the kernel only Nov 19 16:56:41 CM: it building onli rootfs not uImage :( Nov 19 16:56:58 yoyo: Are you sure? Have you just updated? Nov 19 16:57:26 I usually run: make update-makefile;make setup update;make openmoko-devel-image Nov 19 16:57:58 CM: yes update, setuped.... after that Iw delete uImage and that whose wrong :/ Nov 19 16:58:05 Latest new kernel I got was November 12th Nov 19 16:59:03 yoyo: Try make rebuild-package- Nov 19 16:59:54 yay, kernel panic on my server Nov 19 16:59:58 CM: Iw run make all after make clean-package-linux Nov 19 17:15:50 CM: for future make rebuild-package-linux-openmoko Nov 19 17:20:20 03thomas * r3442 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-appmanager2/ (ChangeLog src/ipkg-utils.c src/ipkg-utils.h src/tool-box.c): Nov 19 17:20:20 * src/ipkg-utils.c: (check_for_upgrade), (get_upgrade_list): Nov 19 17:20:20 * src/ipkg-utils.h: Nov 19 17:20:20 * src/tool-box.c: (on_upgrade_clicked): Nov 19 17:20:21 Add upgrade package functionality Nov 19 17:24:19 woo xbox 360 in my house, woo! Nov 19 17:30:21 flexd: bah... microsoft.. Nov 19 17:30:48 i'd get a ps3 Nov 19 17:30:50 and put linux on it Nov 19 17:30:56 but... it costs like twice the amount of money Nov 19 17:30:58 and im poor Nov 19 17:31:02 ah Nov 19 17:31:08 cant spend alot of money if im gonna buy a neo soon too :P Nov 19 17:31:09 flexd: and addicted to gaming :P Nov 19 17:31:25 I earn 8000nok a month~ rougly Nov 19 17:31:46 I just spend 3700 on the xbox w/a game and a play-and-charge thingy >_< Nov 19 17:31:57 * flexd watches his wallet bleed Nov 19 17:32:02 http://www.google.li/search?hl=de&q=8000+nok+to+euro&btnG=Google-Suche&meta= Nov 19 17:32:03 flexd: rent, food, etc.? Nov 19 17:32:05 aah come on Nov 19 17:32:10 thats a lot more then i have :) Nov 19 17:32:16 sandsmark: i live at home Nov 19 17:32:22 borg_: it's not that much here in norway Nov 19 17:32:33 i'm a trainee Nov 19 17:32:34 maybe a bit more if you don't pay rent, food, etc. Nov 19 17:32:36 ah, ok Nov 19 17:32:40 so i earn 1 years worth of pay, over 2 years :/ Nov 19 17:32:44 i guess only the alcohol is not as cheap as in germany in norway Nov 19 17:33:00 borg_: you could say that;) Nov 19 17:33:03 heh Nov 19 17:33:04 :P Nov 19 17:33:23 Not saying i dont have money, heh, i could buy quite a bit of toys and still have food and stuff Nov 19 17:33:28 borg_: almost all the people on planetkde (the only blogs I read;) that move to norway complain about the price for alcohol Nov 19 17:33:37 But in a year i wont earn any more money unless i get a job + i'l be a student :/ Nov 19 17:33:39 hehe Nov 19 17:33:45 must be german beer drinkers :) Nov 19 17:34:05 :p Nov 19 17:35:04 is it better for an IDE to update setup-env and local/conf/site.conf for developers, or let the developers do it manually? Nov 19 17:54:03 intel planing relase phone o.O Nov 19 17:54:22 :) Nov 19 17:54:40 woo Nov 19 17:54:41 t Nov 19 17:54:43 yoyo: link? Nov 19 17:55:07 http://gizmovil.com/2007/09/22/intel-lanza-el-mejor-rival-del-iphone/ Nov 19 17:56:55 what is that :/ Nov 19 17:57:10 I have no f***** idea Nov 19 17:57:16 ugly Nov 19 17:57:41 beautiful Nov 19 17:57:45 funny design, but it must be annoying after a while Nov 19 17:58:02 not with the right window manager Nov 19 17:58:25 I even dislike widescreen, because of the small hight Nov 19 17:58:43 okay I'm in love with my DUAL-widescreen Nov 19 17:58:52 josch: heh Nov 19 18:10:12 widescreen is good format in my opinion, but it is a bad format to have it in your pocket imo Nov 19 18:11:10 but you cold say to your friends: I OBVIOUSLY DO HAVE THE LONGEST Nov 19 18:11:13 more space where it can brak Nov 19 18:11:30 josch: is that a neo1973 in your pocket or... Nov 19 18:11:48 the neo is like a giant, black, medicine pill Nov 19 18:11:50 ;) Nov 19 18:12:11 :) Nov 19 18:12:32 anrp: can we expect to be getting spams soon? inexpensive N30 I9T3 ? Nov 19 18:12:46 perhaps D: Nov 19 18:14:50 3la4rge yur n30 20O% Nov 19 18:15:58 3n14r63 ? not 3n5m411 ? Nov 19 18:16:23 who knows Nov 19 18:26:39 Hi. I'm looking for instructions on how to build openmoko for my a780 (things like what I should set MACHINE to in local.conf). I've come up empty with google. Is this the right place to ask, or should I try #openezx? Nov 19 18:28:08 shonnon: #openezx and #oe do indeed seem like better places to ask :) Nov 19 18:28:22 shonnon: http://www.vanille-media.de/images/openmoko-on-a780.jpg Nov 19 18:28:34 OK, thanks, I'll try there. Nov 19 18:28:34 this picture is taken by mickey_away, but he is very busy Nov 19 18:28:44 dont know if you can get an answer from him Nov 19 18:29:41 shonnon: MACHINE="a780" Nov 19 18:30:02 borg_: Yeah, I've seen screenshots and the youtube video. I've even booted one of the binary images from angstrom-distribution.org. I want to build it myself so I can hack. :-) Nov 19 18:30:29 XorA: Thanks Nov 19 18:30:46 Is that the only change I need to make? Nov 19 18:32:24 shonnon: should be Nov 19 18:36:17 Cool. I'll let 'er rip and come back if something breaks and I can't figure it out myself. Nov 19 19:07:45 http://netville.se/thesis5.shtml :) Nov 19 19:08:22 SIIIS !! :) gtk-sharp on my moko :...) biutifle :) Nov 19 19:10:22 well, CIA doesn't seem to be working much better now Nov 19 19:14:02 beautifully :) Nov 19 19:16:05 shizzle for fiffle Nov 19 19:18:40 hi there Nov 19 19:19:13 hi Nov 19 19:23:51 Does someone has an idea about this issue: I have an application I want to run on OM, so I followed dev crash cource from the wiki to create a local overlay... Nov 19 19:24:12 My appplication builds on my pc with configure make make install Nov 19 19:24:54 I copied the code in a new project moko/local/myapp Nov 19 19:25:31 When I build the code is copied but nothing is built, log file says "NOTE: nothing to compile" Nov 19 19:26:29 in the bb files I included "inherit autotools" Nov 19 19:32:40 I know it may difficult to help me with only this information, but is there any common mistakes people do when bringing a software (built with autotools) from Linux to OM? Nov 19 19:33:15 OM *is* Linux Nov 19 19:34:39 balrog-kun: I know but I mean to the build method of OM Nov 19 19:35:30 the bb file seems to ignore my code Nov 19 19:36:30 you copied the automake scripts too, right? Nov 19 19:36:53 yes, everything is included Nov 19 19:39:34 Eulex: Nice :) (4 år för sent för mig bara.. ;) Nov 19 19:41:52 CM, :) Nov 19 19:48:26 ok now I went through the build of my application... after reading the wiki again I discovered I needed to include my package in a tar file that decompress in a folder with this name template: PACKAGE_NAME-PACKAGE_VERSION Nov 19 19:49:21 I know how to include my app in a new image and to flash it to my phone... but is there ant faster way to try my app? Nov 19 19:49:39 can I upload directly my executable file? Nov 19 19:49:57 or maybe install the package on my phone? Nov 19 19:50:07 jmichel: you can package an .ipg file and then copy that to the sd card Nov 19 19:51:23 edistar: any useful info on how to do this ? Nov 19 19:51:35 jmichel: no, sry, don't have a neo Nov 19 19:51:42 jmichel: wiki should tell you though Nov 19 19:52:57 can I install the resulting .ipk file directly on the phone whit ipkg? Nov 19 19:53:06 jmichel: yep Nov 19 19:53:19 edistar ok i'll try this thanks Nov 19 19:53:27 how do i submit a path to openmoko developers? I can't find any info in we Nov 19 19:53:38 Eulex: Snygga till om du vill: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Thesis_work Nov 19 19:54:14 sorry, how to submit a **patch**? there is no info on wiki pages! Nov 19 19:54:29 CM, ser bra ut. Nov 19 19:55:17 Kul initiativ, och jag hoppas ni hittar några peppade datavetare :) Nov 19 19:58:32 CM, företaget är hur peppat som helst pÃ¥ linux pÃ¥ mobiltelefoner. "det är framtiden" :) Nov 19 19:59:30 translate ;) Nov 19 20:02:29 edistar, the company in sweden I'm working is searching for computer science people to do their thesises here. one area (which is very cool) is openmoko. and yes, there's supposed to be an english translation sometime into the future. Nov 19 20:02:39 CM, Eulex: woot? Nov 19 20:02:54 nobody knows how to submit a patch to openmoko developers? Should I open new bug on bugzilla and attach patch or send it to some mailing list or what? Nov 19 20:03:37 dinamich: open a bug that says "to hard to figure out how to send a patch" Nov 19 20:03:46 hehe Nov 19 20:04:06 dinamich: just open a bug Nov 19 20:04:16 if you attach a patch to it, they will see it Nov 19 20:04:23 if you keep doing that a lot Nov 19 20:04:32 then maybe someone will tell you to move to another method Nov 19 20:04:37 will do, thanks Nov 19 20:05:35 In you're unlucky, patches will be ignored until someone from OM team decide to close the bugs :-/ Nov 19 20:06:28 to be honest, you're on the wrong side of the clock to catch what I know to be developers Nov 19 20:06:49 I know at least a few that are awake and plugging at this stuff about 12 hours from now Nov 19 20:06:57 at least, on the weekends I know this to be true Nov 19 20:08:04 but still, I think you're worring too much about getting things done. submit the patch, then harass them that your bugreport is being ignored :) Nov 19 20:08:15 but.... just don't be too pushy Nov 19 20:08:20 then they'll want to ignore you Nov 19 20:10:55 dinamich: Describe well what the patch to, and maybe get someone else to test it too :) Nov 19 20:11:13 dinamich: I mean once it's in bugzilla. Nov 19 20:11:28 *what the patch does,... Nov 19 20:11:38 * CM äter en pepparkaka och blir snäll Nov 19 20:11:51 CM: of course Nov 19 20:11:54 pepparkaksdeg ftw Nov 19 20:14:45 hello Nov 19 20:24:27 How do I make my application appear in the application selector. Nov 19 20:25:09 a .desktop Nov 19 20:25:11 file Nov 19 20:32:51 bloody hell, the JTAG connector has 39 pins? Nov 19 20:33:15 it looked like it had like... 12 to me Nov 19 20:39:21 crap. installes settingsgui. But python depended on a metric buttload of other packages. Which i have overseen. Shortly after that my root filesystem was full. Does ipkg work the same way, that it first downloads all packages and then installs them? with apt i would now make apt-get clean to delte all cached packages. Nov 19 20:40:39 oh oh, ipkg does not care. It just tried to install everything which was downloaded :( Nov 19 20:42:42 * DPThought flashes again... Nov 19 20:49:57 Am i guessing right that http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS would clash with gsmd? Nov 19 20:50:27 DPThought: yes, very likely Nov 19 20:50:43 bummer Nov 19 20:50:44 sounds like a good bet already Nov 19 20:50:46 *alright Nov 19 20:52:29 hi there Nov 19 20:52:57 i just figured out that i could use my neo as a phone right now. I'm thinking about going from pre-payed crap to a real plan. With data service. Nov 19 20:52:59 I am following the instructions at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xephyr and am getting an error with uboot-openmoko Nov 19 20:53:00 * * OM Bug 1015 has been created by dinamich(AT)volja.net Nov 19 20:53:01 * * quemu-neo1973 in r3444 fails to compile Nov 19 20:53:02 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1015 Nov 19 20:53:40 The problem is "hello_world.c:0: error: bad value (armv4) for -march= switch" Nov 19 20:54:02 I have seen some people asking about the same problem but no solution... Nov 19 20:54:14 Any ideas? Nov 19 20:54:45 do not specify march? Nov 19 20:55:13 check your gcc? Nov 19 20:55:35 try mcpu instead of march? Nov 19 20:55:45 I specified MACHINE = "x86" and BUILD_ARCH = "i686" in build/conf/local.conf Nov 19 20:58:48 i wounder how gprs would be implemented the right way. Teaching pppd how to use libgsmd or faking a tty device via gpsd-wrapper? Nov 19 20:58:56 gsmd Nov 19 20:59:01 has to deal with it Nov 19 20:59:17 it's got to multiplex it in the appropriate standard, so call notifications can come through Nov 19 20:59:43 03andrew * r3445 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/usb-linux-gadget.c: Add a missing include for the no-gadgetfs case (ombug #1015). Nov 19 21:00:52 ar, right. i just remember that ppp can work on a pipe. gpsd would only need to make the dialing stuff. Nov 19 21:01:21 s/gps/gsm/ :-/ Nov 19 21:03:26 hi, I have openmoko running in quemu-neo1973. How do I turn it off? holding SPACE (aka power button) key does nothing! Nov 19 21:04:21 dinamich: open a terminal and do poweroff :) Nov 19 21:04:47 thomasg: which terminal ??? Nov 19 21:04:57 dinamich: close the SDL window and send it a ^C or do "poweroff" in qemu monitor Nov 19 21:05:03 s/and/or/ Nov 19 21:05:04 balrog-kun meant: dinamich: close the SDL window or send it a ^C or do "poweroff" in qemu monitor Nov 19 21:05:39 apt: will that do a proper shutdown of openmoko? Nov 19 21:05:59 dinamich, apt is a bot ^^ Nov 19 21:06:04 dinamich: nope, if you want a proper shutdown you need to do what thomasg suggested Nov 19 21:06:07 ups Nov 19 21:06:23 i.e. open a terminal inside openmoko or login through ssh and do poweroff Nov 19 21:07:20 balrog-kun: cant ssh, dont have "fake" usb setup, how do i open terminal inside openmoko? Nov 19 21:07:45 dinamich: in the applications menu sould be a terminal emulator Nov 19 21:08:46 i suspect the Space key is not working as Power because a virtual USB keyboard is enabled Nov 19 21:08:49 but i may be wrong Nov 19 21:09:29 balrog-kun: i didn't use usb keyboard! Nov 19 21:09:48 balrog-kun: looking for termial, its hard to find Nov 19 21:11:29 it was there in the menu last time i looked Nov 19 21:11:58 you might wanna add a "shutdown" shortcut in the menu when you find the terminal Nov 19 21:14:02 balrog-kun: I am lost, I found openmoko-terminal2 in list of installed applications, but i dont know how to run it! Nov 19 21:14:35 i think the menu is under the middle tab with a "+" sign in openmoko-today Nov 19 21:17:32 balrog-kun: FOUND IT:) Nov 19 21:18:53 dinamich: congratulations :) Nov 19 21:19:06 i'm proud of you Nov 19 21:19:19 balrog-kun: tnx Nov 19 21:49:51 I have a question about the onscreen kbd on 2007.2 image Nov 19 21:49:59 Anyone know how to start it? :S Nov 19 21:50:16 I can get it to work on Feedreader, but it won't work for the terminal :( Nov 19 21:54:30 haha :) I have a soft in whith i see a df -h :) Nov 19 21:55:09 I can get the damn thing up by telneting in Nov 19 21:55:21 but I'd like to have it work ... mobile :P Nov 19 21:57:21 I did get the GPS working earlier, but never got a position fix :S Nov 19 22:02:55 03andrew * r3446 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/flash.sh: Add a smart sh snippet that makes sure everything gets killed that should be killed. Nov 19 22:05:23 i don't know how it in recent builds, but i might be clickable button in the center or matchbox panel Nov 19 22:05:44 s/or/of/ Nov 19 22:05:45 Any_Key meant: i don't know how it in recent builds, but i might be clickable button in the center of matchbox panel Nov 19 22:08:37 Ah, like in the middle of the top toolbar? Nov 19 22:08:56 It was a blank spot in the 2007.1 builds, but that doesn't seem to work :S Nov 19 22:09:21 hm Nov 19 22:09:43 there should be a little keyboard icon Nov 19 22:09:45 it works for me Nov 19 22:10:53 borg_: Where is the icon ... left of the clock? Nov 19 22:11:30 http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/0c81119b83c95e4732867712a022b267.png Nov 19 22:11:43 the little keyboard button Nov 19 22:11:49 in the top toolbar Nov 19 22:12:22 left of the clock? Nov 19 22:12:32 uhm.. do you use 2007.1? Nov 19 22:12:47 i think there is no clock in the tob bar anymore Nov 19 22:14:52 No, I guess it's an old 2007.2 build :S Nov 19 22:14:58 No keyboard for me. Nov 19 22:15:31 Where your little keyboard is, I have an oversized digital clock. Nov 19 22:21:51 bey Nov 19 22:23:10 borg_: I don't mind flashing a newer version ... are you running a snapshot or did you roll your own? Nov 19 22:23:42 re Nov 19 22:24:33 i flashed some of my snapshots and update it via ipkg Nov 19 22:24:50 HistoryOnTheRoad: just do ipkg update and ipkg upgrade Nov 19 22:25:36 in the newer versions is also a gui for the updating Nov 19 22:28:06 Ah, cool. Well, w/o keyboard, it'll have to wait until I can ssh back in Nov 19 22:50:24 lo Nov 19 23:09:22 greetings Ghiottone Nov 19 23:10:43 hello mwester . what news? Nov 19 23:11:12 hi all Nov 19 23:11:15 None yet, I finally have some time so I'm working on a new kernel image, but not done yet. Nov 19 23:12:19 2.6.23? Nov 19 23:14:02 this reminds me that I still have the task to add diskstats to md driver in my todo list... Nov 19 23:14:11 Ghiottone: I didn't ever get a response from OpenMoko as to the plans to switch to 2.6.23, so I'm still working on the old one. "Cherry picking" patches from bugzilla that should be in the kernel that openmoko hasn't gotten to yet. Nov 19 23:15:14 oh Nov 19 23:15:31 are you working with the emulator or real neo? Nov 19 23:15:43 kernel debugging is a pita Nov 19 23:16:08 Real neo, with all the pleasures and joys of the real thing. Nov 19 23:16:20 (flat batteries etc.) ;) Nov 19 23:17:11 eh I see Nov 19 23:17:18 pretty time consuming I guess Nov 19 23:18:14 Of late, the time consuming part has been prodding and arguing with openmoko to get patches accepted. I found it easier by far to push a patch upstream into the kernel than to get openmoko to incorporate a patch. Nov 19 23:18:46 oh really? Nov 19 23:18:55 definitely not a good thing Nov 19 23:38:38 mwester: that's why I think you should take over maintenance of the openmoko kernel Nov 19 23:43:39 Seconded :) Nov 19 23:45:22 thirded - how about a git tree Nov 19 23:46:17 there is of course the issue that nobody knows the real specifics of the GTA02 hardware and interactions with u-boot including the new two u-boots Nov 19 23:48:53 which make commando is again generating uImage? Nov 19 23:53:40 rwhitby: ping? Nov 19 23:54:13 ixs: gu Nov 19 23:54:26 rwhitby: your makefile needs updating: make neo-flash-local does not work as the files are expected to be in fic-gta01 but are actually found in neo1973 Nov 19 23:57:09 ixs: confirmed. fixing now. Nov 19 23:57:34 thx Nov 20 00:01:11 03rwhitby * r166 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Fixed local image location - thx to ixs. Nov 20 00:01:18 ixs: try that Nov 20 00:02:15 looks better Nov 20 00:45:00 holy crap alotta pppl here... just found out about openmoko Nov 20 00:45:06 can't wait Nov 20 00:45:24 Just a quick question. Will openmoko work with any GSM carrier ? Nov 20 00:47:34 ScarEye: any GSM carrier that doesn't go too far from the GSM standard ;) Nov 20 00:48:09 =) Nov 20 00:48:21 And doesn't use 850Mhz Nov 20 00:48:32 (at least for the current and upcoming model) Nov 20 00:48:32 SpeedEvil: oh, is 850 definitely off the menu now? Nov 20 00:48:49 cjb_ie: due to specification problems, 01 and 02 are triband phones Nov 20 00:48:51 no dual bom for the PCB? Nov 20 00:49:05 2.5G GSM – tri band (900/1800/1900), voice, CSD, GPRS Nov 20 00:49:07 yes - swapping out one band for 850 is easy Nov 20 00:49:16 that's alright then Nov 20 00:49:25 but it can't be a a quadband phone without considerably more work Nov 20 00:49:43 so is this phone going to be released by Decemeber ? Nov 20 00:49:48 new toy for daddy ;) Nov 20 00:49:51 ScaredyCat: I doubt is. Nov 20 00:49:55 ScaredyCat: Nov 20 00:50:04 SpeedEvil: another PCB layout and squeezing more discretes in - i've danced that long and painful dance Nov 20 00:50:11 * SpeedEvil ponders if the name choice is solely to annoy. Nov 20 00:50:17 scarey: Nov 20 00:50:26 scareye: Nov 20 00:50:29 yes Nov 20 00:50:51 cjb_ie: I've only done it for a 400 hole discrete board. That was sort-of-fun Nov 20 00:51:03 But not even close to the packing density in a phone. Nov 20 00:51:24 I wish there were decent cheap USB graphical displays. Nov 20 00:51:30 SpeedEvil: heh. i've done some fairly dense designs, but anything close to that density was very small and simple Nov 20 00:51:58 I'm tempted to make something myself - 4" display, USB that talks over usb-net or serial and VNC Nov 20 00:52:29 i've done 8 layer double eurocard with gigabit ethernet and FC serial, around 5k pins Nov 20 00:52:44 surface mount, obviously Nov 20 00:52:49 http://www.tincantools.com/ just launched which is fun. Nov 20 00:53:00 ARM in DIP40, with USB, ... Nov 20 00:53:11 ooh, nice Nov 20 00:53:21 i've done a bit of work with USB-enabled PICs Nov 20 00:53:24 Currently I'm trying to avoid ways of thinking too hard about what I could use it for. Nov 20 00:53:32 but ARM should be about a zillion times more powerful Nov 20 00:53:44 You could even put OM on it :) Nov 20 00:57:10 So guys hopefully end of 2008 this should be out ? Nov 20 00:57:42 maybe* Nov 20 00:58:00 hopefully before then Nov 20 00:58:27 but christmas 2008 is the absolute earliest that it might hit actual retail shops Nov 20 00:58:37 IMO Nov 20 00:58:54 So what carrier would you go with SpeedEvil ? Nov 20 00:59:00 if it was out today ? Nov 20 00:59:16 I'm using it with t-mobile Nov 20 00:59:44 which works well - the data is capped at a pound a day, though is initially expensive - .7p/k Nov 20 00:59:47 oh so you are using it currently ? Nov 20 00:59:57 yes - sort-of. Nov 20 01:00:09 are you in the UK ? Nov 20 01:00:24 I'm not really using it as a phone much - more a GPRS modem for my laptop, and a GPS. Nov 20 01:00:29 * SpeedEvil checks the GPS. Nov 20 01:00:32 yes. Nov 20 01:00:49 I think this is going to blow the iPhone away.. Nov 20 01:00:52 imho Nov 20 01:01:01 IMO - not for some while. Nov 20 01:01:08 And it really depends what apple do Nov 20 01:01:11 it definately has the potential to Nov 20 01:01:27 Well: If it fully fucuncally with all the apps that apple has + some Nov 20 01:01:32 I think it will do very well Nov 20 01:01:37 Potential yes, but there are numbers of problems - some of which may be due to core team concentrating on hardware Nov 20 01:01:49 ic Nov 20 01:02:46 once i get some programming down ill sure as heel dig in and help all i can, but for now i can only watch what everyone else is doing to judge where the moko will go Nov 20 01:03:32 get mark shuttleworth to through in some dough for this project damn it Nov 20 01:03:41 ;) Nov 20 01:03:49 lol Nov 20 01:04:40 Okay my plan to help out. Nov 20 01:05:26 Go to store. but lotto ticket. Hit mulitmillion dollar jackpot. Help openmoko get some developers to get this going. PLEASE WISH ME LUCK.. Nov 20 01:05:41 Good luck! Nov 20 01:05:44 =) Nov 20 01:05:46 good luck with that Nov 20 01:06:01 I'm working on my plan. Nov 20 01:06:01 hehe! Nov 20 01:06:04 =) Nov 20 01:06:24 maybe you could hire someone to design an open 3g chipset Nov 20 01:06:39 that would amazing.. Nov 20 01:06:44 be* Nov 20 01:07:01 damn... now I have to win.. Nov 20 01:07:01 A few thousand 1" diameter platinum group rich meteoroids fall in my garden. It's less effort than buying a lottery ticket. Nov 20 01:07:25 but I think lotto at least I have a change.. Nov 20 01:07:43 Well actually they say you have a better change of getting hit by lighting then winning the lotto.. But.. I think I will win.. Nov 20 01:07:48 that would ruin your yard SpeedEvil Nov 20 01:07:58 he can buy a new one Nov 20 01:08:01 at that point Nov 20 01:08:21 mwester: 1" would actually only make holes, and bury themselves a few feet down Nov 20 01:08:26 crappy yard + new neo1973 > amazing yard+ no neo Nov 20 01:08:37 they'd be I think mildly supersonic at that point Nov 20 01:08:44 why call it 1973 Nov 20 01:08:53 makes me thing we are still in the stone ages Nov 20 01:08:56 year of the 1st cellphone Nov 20 01:08:59 That was the date at which the first cellphone call was made Nov 20 01:09:01 ahh Nov 20 01:10:44 * mwester-n thinks thats how many years it will take to get the neo GPS driver. Nov 20 01:11:06 lol Nov 20 01:39:43 * DukeOfURL sitting here watching NMEA stream from EM-406A Nov 20 01:40:01 3cm square board Nov 20 01:41:29 I've looked at sparkfuns 11mm*11mm GPS Nov 20 01:41:47 which one is that? Nov 20 01:42:44 i bought this today: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=465 Nov 20 01:43:41 http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8291 Nov 20 01:43:47 tells me 39.564057 -105.323718 right outside my kitchen window Nov 20 01:44:09 sorry - 10*10 Nov 20 01:44:12 * SpeedEvil thinks Nov 20 01:44:30 florida? Nov 20 01:44:35 * mwester keys in coordinates and launches ICBM... Nov 20 01:44:38 but does the hammerhead outperform in an indoor environment? Nov 20 01:44:45 yea 10*10 Nov 20 01:44:55 damn Nov 20 01:44:59 Colorado Nov 20 01:45:03 Can someone point me to a working qtopia image? :) Nov 20 01:45:08 is it easy to emulate openmoko with anything other than qemu? Nov 20 01:46:33 google maps takes @nnn,nnn Nov 20 01:46:49 SpeedEvil: I also bought the http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=653 plugged in a 9v wall wart and a serial cable and I'm looking at NME output Nov 20 01:46:57 NMEA Nov 20 01:47:43 SpeedEvil: Also bought the LPC2106 prototype board and a bluetooth module. Will lash it up this week. Nov 20 01:48:01 DukeOfURL: your kitchen is at the south of hte house? Nov 20 01:48:06 yes Nov 20 01:48:36 * mwester cuts his fingers off with a dull kitchen knife in order to prevent himself from making comments about om and GPS and neos... (ouch!!!!!) Nov 20 01:48:47 the device is downstairs under the kitchen Nov 20 01:48:53 on the window sill Nov 20 01:49:16 mwester: comments? Nov 20 01:49:26 google maps puts it maybe 3m south of the house, so not bad. Nov 20 01:49:41 good enough for government work :-) Nov 20 01:50:10 DukeOfURL: I'm tempted to buy http://www.tincantools.com/ 's ARM board, and attempt a UAV. Nov 20 01:50:43 SpeedEvil: we need to talk about fabrication of these devices Nov 20 01:50:51 Because the neo is a little hard to shock mount :) Nov 20 01:51:00 board production, BGA, etc. Nov 20 01:52:19 can someone please re-open bug 937:- http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=937 Nov 20 01:53:49 SpeedEvil: with flex pcb, how are the components attached? Nov 20 01:54:33 DukeOfURL: same as normal PCB, but with stiffeners on areas of the PCB where chips are attached to keep flexing down below a threshold Nov 20 01:54:44 ##electronics may be a worthwhile place Nov 20 01:54:52 ok Nov 20 01:55:55 my GPS says 01:55:48 Nov 20 01:56:01 am Nov 20 01:56:09 It's about right Nov 20 01:56:18 GMT Nov 20 01:56:41 I'll see ya guys later. keep up up the good work Nov 20 01:56:47 =) Nov 20 01:56:51 nite Nov 20 01:57:01 nite Nov 20 01:57:44 SpeedEvil: still in Scotland? Nov 20 01:57:54 yes Nov 20 01:57:58 cold? Nov 20 01:58:28 It's currently 6.3C outside Nov 20 01:58:35 never mind scotland, even right down the sunny south end of ireland it's bloody freezing Nov 20 01:58:36 yikes! Nov 20 01:58:39 has been about that most of today, and rainy Nov 20 01:58:53 It is of course dark. Nov 20 01:59:05 did you finish your insulation project? Nov 20 01:59:24 ditto here :p but generally it's meant to be sunnier here than scottishland... i think Nov 20 01:59:43 DukeOfURL: got stalled on other stuff alas. Nov 20 01:59:50 DukeOfURL: getting on with it more now Nov 20 02:00:36 well, I'm off to lear openOCD. nite all. Nov 20 02:00:40 learn Nov 20 02:00:43 wave **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 20 02:59:57 2007