**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 03 02:59:56 2007 Dec 03 04:03:13 hello moko... Dec 03 04:11:35 ipkg upgrade, no upgrade after two weeks? I know I broke some stuff by upgrading two weeks ago; so is it me, or did this not get fixed? Dec 03 04:39:16 Hi, While testing AT Commands it gives me error sim not inserted why i get not getting I have inserted sim card on to ne0-1973. Dec 03 04:44:21 Anyone around that might be able to help me with a MokoMakefile issue? Dec 03 05:20:55 Morning Dec 03 05:24:04 <> school Dec 03 05:32:00 * * OM Bug 1066 has been created by olv(AT)openmoko.com Dec 03 05:32:01 * * erations should not be batched Dec 03 05:32:02 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1066 Dec 03 05:52:01 * * OM Bug 1067 has been created by olv(AT)openmoko.com Dec 03 05:52:02 * * artifacts when doing glamo HW rotation Dec 03 05:52:03 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1067 Dec 03 06:18:31 03tick * r3548 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/atcmd.c: gsmd: Make gsmd llparse_byte() to be more tolerant for modem EVB board(Sean Chiang) Dec 03 06:21:28 03tick * r3549 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/atcmd.c: gsmd: Without clearing mlbuf, when get multi-line response, extrsp_parse will be failed. because the garbage data left from the last time(line). (Sean Chiang) Dec 03 06:42:16 03tick * r3550 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/atcmd.c: gsmd: Just avoid unnecessary remove-timer() function call when get multi-line (Sean Chiang) Dec 03 07:08:27 03tick * r3551 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (5 files in 4 dirs): gsmd: Rewrite read, readrg and find of phonebook. (Sean Chiang) Dec 03 07:15:25 anyone here? Dec 03 07:17:22 Xamindar: There are, but the question is if we're awake ;) Dec 03 07:19:31 moin Dec 03 07:19:52 hi Dec 03 08:30:05 hm, my neo doesn't seem to re-read the /etv/resolv.conf when it changes (because it lost usb but dialed into gprs). has anyone a solution for that? isn't that a libc-thing? Dec 03 08:34:20 emdete: Ask XorA|gone about it maybe, I think he fixed the automatic generation of resolv.conf Dec 03 08:34:55 CM: i already fixed it (see my wiki enhancements ;) ). but it won't be re-read by a already running process Dec 03 08:35:26 CM: the generation in pppd package is totally screwed... shure. Dec 03 08:37:54 CM: i am playing around with always-on. my neo uses usb if connected, bt if avaiable and at last gprs Dec 03 08:39:12 CM: this is why the /etc/resolv.conf is always changing but namelookup of my app always uses the one that was active when the app started Dec 03 08:41:08 emdete: Ah, ok. Cool work :) Dec 03 08:42:30 does gta01 or gta02 have device-orientation detection hardware? Dec 03 08:43:27 ruxpin: You mean accelerometers or a compass? Dec 03 08:43:35 is it possible to auto-rotate a photo when you rotate the device? Dec 03 08:43:51 not with gta01 Dec 03 08:43:53 yes with gta02 Dec 03 08:44:02 In gta2 there will be two built in accelerometers Dec 03 08:44:05 and for the record its called accelerometers Dec 03 08:44:08 like in cameras, that detect the position of the camera Dec 03 08:45:19 how would i use gtk+directfb? Dec 03 08:48:02 readon: that's a little bit generic question... Dec 03 08:48:13 i write a recipe for gtk on directfb.but gtk+ depends on gtk+-directfb now. Dec 03 08:49:06 "angstrom-gtk-image.do_rootfs" -> "gtk+-directfb.do_populate_staging" Dec 03 08:49:17 in task-depends.dot Dec 03 08:50:03 readon: sorry, that's an area where i can't help - i used directfb on the device with an own app Dec 03 08:55:53 emdete thanks all the same. Dec 03 08:56:13 emdete, do you use directfb directly? Dec 03 09:01:26 readon: yes. it has a wonderful api :D Dec 03 09:02:59 readon: and my app is very simple. i dont need full blown fat gtk Dec 03 09:06:10 emdete: have you tried fltk before? Dec 03 09:14:12 ScaredyCat: u-boot-good-fr-sd-boot-r13_0_2632_0.bin is for gta01v4 ? Dec 03 09:18:12 some one tell be that i need to do nanr erase u-boot before u-boot upgrade ? Dec 03 09:18:26 s/nanr/nand/ Dec 03 09:18:26 NineX meant: some one tell be that i need to do nand erase u-boot before u-boot upgrade ? Dec 03 09:18:42 s/be/me/ Dec 03 09:18:44 NineX meant: some one tell me that i need to do nanr erase u-boot before u-boot upgrade ? Dec 03 09:19:10 apt: you are stupid bot Dec 03 09:19:11 Mononoke: what are you talking about? Dec 03 09:19:26 yes Dec 03 09:19:57 ScaredyCat: yes - first question , yes second ? ;) Dec 03 09:21:24 NineX: I think that second question doesn't expect boolean Dec 03 09:21:59 oh wait :S my bad Dec 03 09:22:15 * Mononoke better goes to sleep o/ Dec 03 09:24:51 I only saw one Dec 03 09:25:08 [10:14] ScaredyCat: u-boot-good-fr-sd-boot-r13_0_2632_0.bin is for gta01v4 ? Dec 03 09:25:38 oo, now I see the other but it seems to be the same one Dec 03 09:34:01 readon: fltk? i think so - wasn't that the toolkit with flwm? Dec 03 09:35:59 emdete: yes, how about that widgets? does that run fast & easy to use? Dec 03 09:40:28 so is directfb pretty easy to use on the gta01? Dec 03 09:40:38 i've considered trying it out but i'm doing okay with gtk buffers right now. Dec 03 09:40:42 rwhitby: I need to upgrade monotone too? Dec 03 09:50:11 ScaredyCat: why would you need to upgrade monotone? Dec 03 09:53:35 your new makefile... Dec 03 09:53:36 mtn: misuse: /home/moko/newBuild/OE.mtn appears to be a monotone database, but this version of Dec 03 09:53:36 mtn: misuse: monotone does not recognize its schema. Dec 03 09:55:27 ha Dec 03 09:55:38 my neo1973 arrived :> Dec 03 09:55:48 yay4u Dec 03 09:55:52 ScaredyCat: why did you change your OE.mtn? Dec 03 09:56:03 i didn't Dec 03 09:56:20 well, you either changed your OE.mtn, or you changed your mtn executable. Dec 03 09:56:21 I just updated mokomakefile Dec 03 09:56:25 morning Dec 03 09:56:35 NineX gratz! :) Dec 03 09:56:37 if I roll back to the old one it's fine Dec 03 09:56:41 torpor: yes, it really easy. i checked several other solutions (like the e-stack) but directfb was less pain as those. evas sux, to buggy, no docs, bad api design. Dec 03 09:56:44 (makefile) Dec 03 09:57:36 ScaredyCat: prove it to me - use the exact same OE.mtn (not a different one in a different directory) and pastebin how it works with old mokomakefile and fails with the new one. I simply don't believe you, but am willing to be surprised. Dec 03 09:58:07 I suspect you have two separate OE.mtn files, one in your old directory, and one in newBuild. Dec 03 09:59:17 and I suspect you downloaded the new one from the OM snapshot area (or you didn't have one in newBuild to start with, and mokomakefile downloaded it from the OM snapshot area and there is something wrong with their snapshots there) Dec 03 09:59:28 how close am I? Dec 03 10:00:54 readon: no i don't use any widgets. didnt know that fltk is avaiable for directfb. i checked one with something-light but that was very basic Dec 03 10:01:42 http://pastebin.ca/804295 Dec 03 10:01:48 readon: problem with directfb is that hw-acceleration won't be done if gta02 is released. openmoko guys will do that for x11 only. so i wait with my gui (have curses for now :D ) Dec 03 10:02:07 rwhitby: you suspect wrong Dec 03 10:03:00 * * OM Bug 1068 has been created by tick(AT)openmoko.com Dec 03 10:03:01 * * sms use cases Dec 03 10:03:02 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1068 Dec 03 10:03:56 ScaredyCat: ok, my second guess is that you had a local hack to the Makefile to set MTN to /home/moko/newBuild/monotone/monotone-0.35/mtn and lost it when you updated. How close is that one? Dec 03 10:04:35 (i.e. you changed your mtn executable, which I first queried) Dec 03 10:04:39 emdete: you can start of directfb accelleration now Dec 03 10:05:02 * ScaredyCat grins Dec 03 10:05:34 100% rwhitby... I forgot about that one ... :P Dec 03 10:05:37 XorA: i did not understand that sentence... hm, sry, non-native english Dec 03 10:05:49 * rwhitby whistles Dec 03 10:05:52 ScaredyCat: i too have had problems with the new makefile.. ended up doing a full clobber and starting completely from scratch. Dec 03 10:05:56 seems like its progressing further now .. Dec 03 10:05:59 emdete: the Xserver source is available, you can port to directfb now Dec 03 10:06:00 * * OM Bug 1069 has been created by tick(AT)openmoko.com Dec 03 10:06:01 * * Voice mail use cases Dec 03 10:06:02 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1069 Dec 03 10:06:20 torpor: ScaredyCat's problem was between the keyboard and chair, not the makefile. Dec 03 10:06:35 my problem was a User out of memory error torpor ;) Dec 03 10:07:02 ~pebcak Dec 03 10:07:03 from memory, pebcak is Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard Dec 03 10:07:23 ~fish XorA Dec 03 10:07:24 * apt slaps XorA around with a large trout Dec 03 10:07:27 XorA: ..i could, maybe.. but that would be complex, right? Dec 03 10:07:29 ~blame rwhitby Dec 03 10:07:30 * apt blames rwhitby (and Canada) for all the evil in the world Dec 03 10:07:37 what i'm having problesm with now is the disk space usage. i simply don't get it. before (i use rm_work) the change to the new makefile, i had no problems with disk space but now it like i've eaten up 12gigs just doing up to build 3062 of 5051 Dec 03 10:07:50 it does that Dec 03 10:07:59 it uses masses of space Dec 03 10:08:05 I got it up to 16gig Dec 03 10:08:15 XorA: i don't even have a gta02 for testing... :) Dec 03 10:08:41 this is whack because i don't have the disk space .. so i don't get whats going on, other than that rmwork isn't working. Dec 03 10:09:31 no, rm_work is probbly working, it's just that it *can't* clean out until everything that depends on those files is done... Dec 03 10:10:05 damnit Dec 03 10:10:06 the disk space usage peaks, then drops dramatically Dec 03 10:10:20 well i look forward to it peaking and then dropping dramatically. Dec 03 10:10:21 I had to buy a bigger hd for my lappy Dec 03 10:10:37 i'm running in a VM situation, so its a bit more tricky for me .. Dec 03 10:10:39 but now I don't have to rm_work Dec 03 10:10:49 :/ Dec 03 10:11:22 i wish i had the space. Dec 03 10:11:31 maybe i'll have to move my work to a new disk .. grrr ... Dec 03 10:11:48 hats the name of that app that gives you a graphical view of yoru disk? Dec 03 10:11:54 /dev/md1 158206868 124673736 25496620 84% /home Dec 03 10:11:59 ha Dec 03 10:12:02 kenvy Dec 03 10:12:02 well, it's filling up now too, since I'm also keeping all the downloads inc versions Dec 03 10:12:04 envy Dec 03 10:12:06 torpor: move your sources to another location Dec 03 10:12:19 XorA: just by moving sources and doing a link then? Dec 03 10:12:27 kdirstat ? Dec 03 10:12:36 yes Dec 03 10:12:36 torpor: or change the variable that points to them Dec 03 10:12:38 you can Dec 03 10:12:45 yeah, always symlink your sources dir to some central location that you share amongst all builds Dec 03 10:12:47 symlink your sources Dec 03 10:13:06 DL_DIR Dec 03 10:13:29 symlinks are much better.. Dec 03 10:13:51 ScaredyCat: set DL_DIR once and forget is my motto Dec 03 10:13:52 the thing is though, i've been running this build since yesterday and its on job 3085 of 5051 .. so maybe i'll let it finish. is there a possibility that i wont' run out of disk space now? Dec 03 10:14:00 I miss the old Amiga way... Dec 03 10:14:15 a simlink could be multiple destinations Dec 03 10:14:18 torpor: you can stop a build, change sources and restart without having to restart from beginning Dec 03 10:14:19 symlink Dec 03 10:14:47 yeah, just stop the build... Dec 03 10:15:10 move your sources and kick it off agon, it'll only start from where itgot to Dec 03 10:15:11 * XorA hands over to the OE support guru ScaredyCat :-D Dec 03 10:15:27 * ScaredyCat blames XorA Dec 03 10:15:41 you type faster :) Dec 03 10:15:52 microsfot natural keyboard :-) Dec 03 10:16:04 there's nothing natural about it Dec 03 10:16:07 ok Dec 03 10:16:16 ERROR: /home/j/hak/openmoko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/openmoko-tasks2-0.1.0+svnr348-r1/install/openmoko-tasks2/usr/share/applications/tasks.desktop: error: file contains key "SingleInstance" in group "Desktop Entry", but keys extending the format should start with "X-" Dec 03 10:16:22 sup with that?\ Dec 03 10:16:42 * ScaredyCat points at XorA waving a fish Dec 03 10:17:53 torpor: its harmless I think Dec 03 10:19:18 * ScaredyCat stabs psplash Dec 03 10:19:29 that wasnt me Dec 03 10:22:43 i guess the compile stage is over and its now doing "do_populate_staging" so there is not so much of a chance of heavy disk space usage to come, right? Dec 03 10:26:42 NineX: Be careful with nand erase! Dec 03 10:27:29 mornin Dec 03 10:33:59 emdete: you could perhaps try nscd and/or lwresd, might be easier to force a reload of resolv.conf with these Dec 03 10:35:32 emdete: now, if only I knew how to force everything to reread the timezone info when I upgrade it every year... Dec 03 10:36:19 i can't build module-init-tools-cross with mokomakefile, i always get a linker error: `/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lc' Dec 03 10:36:33 anyone knows why this happens? Dec 03 10:36:34 woot, 5gigs free. nuked my open2x dev tree. :( Dec 03 10:39:48 torpor: by removing few build dirs I got 43G recently Dec 03 10:40:18 good morning Dec 03 10:51:25 okay its time for school .. catch you guys later. hopefully i'll have a finished build this evening .. Dec 03 10:59:00 * * OM Bug 1070 has been created by dodji(AT)openedhand.com Dec 03 10:59:01 * * e DMA references from the code Dec 03 10:59:02 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1070 Dec 03 11:16:23 any recent successful builds? Dec 03 11:54:31 mbuf: fails on splash for me Dec 03 11:54:39 ~blame pfalcon Dec 03 11:54:40 * apt blames pfalcon (and Canada) for all the evil in the world Dec 03 11:56:02 how to chec battery state from command line Dec 03 12:01:32 CM, was thinking of updating my very old build Dec 03 12:02:01 CM, but, isn't it not possible to update only patches for a package that I am interested in, and still build the image? would that break anything? Dec 03 12:04:41 cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/battvolt Dec 03 12:04:50 NineX: ^^ Dec 03 12:17:59 03werner * r3552 10/trunk/src/host/splash/splashimg.pl: Dec 03 12:17:59 Fixed typo making it impossible to select 16 bpp mode. Dec 03 12:17:59 http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1022 Dec 03 12:36:03 rwhitby: i have a problem with the mokomakefile http://pastebin.com/m1a3cd402 Dec 03 12:37:29 cosmin: never seen that one before. What host OS and distro do you run? Dec 03 12:37:53 mandriva linux 2008.0 Dec 03 12:38:21 cosmin: do you have a dualcore cpu? Dec 03 12:38:35 i asked about the same thing on friday, and someone suggested to do `bitbake gcc-cross' manually Dec 03 12:38:43 borg_: yes, i do Dec 03 12:38:57 here was a problem, that the cross-build libc was'nt ready and it started already compiling something else depending on it Dec 03 12:39:02 ah, then it is probably the same Dec 03 12:39:16 it does the same with one job only Dec 03 12:39:22 try to do make rebuild-package-libc and then restart the thing Dec 03 12:39:26 mh Dec 03 12:43:12 do openmoko emitting any sounds when running on neo1973 ? Dec 03 12:43:25 yes Dec 03 12:43:40 there is a start sound, a klick sound and a ringtone in the official image Dec 03 12:43:45 NineX, if it doesn't check pulsaudio Dec 03 12:43:56 NineX, also try aplay Dec 03 12:44:39 borg_: i'm using ScaredyCat image Dec 03 12:44:49 s/i'm/i/ Dec 03 12:44:49 NineX meant: borg_: i using ScaredyCat image Dec 03 12:45:01 NineX: this doesnt have click sounds and start sounds Dec 03 12:45:08 mhm Dec 03 12:45:09 ok Dec 03 12:45:34 borg_: do i need to change someting in alsamixer , or factory set are ok ? Dec 03 12:45:51 for me it is ok since some month now Dec 03 12:46:02 have you tried to play something with the mediaplayer? Dec 03 12:46:02 ok Dec 03 12:46:10 yes Dec 03 12:46:19 but sound is extreemly quiet Dec 03 12:46:32 Try alsamixer and just increase the volume :) Dec 03 12:46:34 and quite fuzy when plain ogg Dec 03 12:46:38 you can make it louder with a motion in mediaplayer Dec 03 12:46:49 drag from bottum to top in the mediaplayer Dec 03 12:47:02 CM: sure but there are lott of switches Dec 03 12:55:50 neo 1973 have enough computepower to play ogg? Dec 03 12:56:15 Barely I think.. Dec 03 12:56:26 Ask abraxa_ about details :) Dec 03 12:56:41 ogg vorbis, yes (at least reasonable bitrates) Dec 03 12:56:57 the gui player does have some overhead and skips a bit for me currently Dec 03 12:57:06 isn't there an implementation of ogg vorbis that doesn't require FPU for embedded stuff as well? Dec 03 12:57:17 but ogg uses much more cpu power that mp3 because there is libmad that does not need a fpu Dec 03 12:57:23 part of it is playing through the sound server; ogg123 from command line direct to alsa plays a lot better... Dec 03 12:57:25 hmm wher in application is exit button ? Dec 03 12:57:39 NineX: Press the power button once Dec 03 12:57:43 Dvalin, yes, I was told it was in use Dec 03 12:58:11 mjr: ...but takes 80-90% of the cpu power Dec 03 12:58:54 borg_: i couldn't rebuild glibc Dec 03 12:59:20 cosmin: glibc != libc Dec 03 12:59:26 ogg is i.e. nicely played be sdl-mixer in wesnoth Dec 03 12:59:30 i think -lc means libc, doesn't it? Dec 03 12:59:45 indeed Dec 03 13:00:28 but there's no package named libc Dec 03 13:02:40 and i thought glibc means gnu libc Dec 03 13:03:10 it does Dec 03 13:04:11 oh, of course Dec 03 13:04:23 i mixed glibc and glib Dec 03 13:05:57 so you can't build (g)libc either? Dec 03 13:05:58 strange Dec 03 13:10:57 CM: if i put neo to sleep, battery will be still charged? Dec 03 13:11:15 NineX: If it's plugged in it should Dec 03 13:11:20 ok Dec 03 13:11:38 borg_: no, glibc won't compile, and the error log was so long it didn't fit in my console's buffer Dec 03 13:11:39 NineX: Also, depends if you have a fairly new uboot or not Dec 03 13:12:21 CM: i have version from ScaredyCat good for sd boot Dec 03 13:12:22 NineX: I don't know if it will still fast charge, but mine seems to charge fine :) Dec 03 13:13:15 cosmin: mh, don't know Dec 03 13:13:37 NineX: Hmm.. That one probably still have the slow charge bug, but that's only relevant if you totally drain the battery. Then you need to take it out to make sure the gsm modem powers off too, or it will not chargre Dec 03 13:14:00 The bug was that instead of 100mA it only took 50mA Dec 03 13:17:23 ok Dec 03 13:17:55 hi there, Dec 03 13:18:09 I'v flashed my neo with snapshot 2007.11 Dec 03 13:18:22 both kernel and rootfs Dec 03 13:19:51 It seem that rootfs craped, my neo cann't startup X now Dec 03 13:20:18 howto attach to u-boot and earse nand rootfs? Dec 03 13:21:20 Pengu1n: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/U-boot#Using_usbtty_from_Linux Dec 03 13:23:25 is the glibc version relevant? i have glibc 2.6, and mokomakefile tries to build glibc 2.5 Dec 03 13:24:04 thanks, I got it, erase now. Dec 03 13:24:05 cosmin: no, it makes a glbic for arm there is no relationship to your host glibc Dec 03 13:24:29 reflash rootfs now: Dec 03 13:25:16 Shall I prex AUX every 25 second? Dec 03 13:25:38 I've flashed new u-boot already Dec 03 13:27:57 Pengu1n: Once you start to flash the kernel or rootfs you don't have to press aux any more Dec 03 13:28:07 Only when you're in the uboot menu Dec 03 13:29:55 thx. my neo can boot into GUI now:) after erase rootfs and reflash it Dec 03 13:30:52 Good :) Dec 03 13:31:28 CM: where was a workaround to pin bug? Dec 03 13:31:44 cool, thans very much CM Dec 03 13:31:54 NineX: In mickey's reply to the devel list Dec 03 13:32:29 NineX: a) submit the PIN once Dec 03 13:32:29 b) press cancel for all subsequently appearing PIN dialogs Dec 03 13:32:29 c) use the gsm panel applet to power on the antenna and then autoregister. Dec 03 13:33:35 i guess there are no pre-built binaries for openmoko... right? Dec 03 13:33:50 are Dec 03 13:34:01 in ScaredyCat build pin pin popup dosn't show Dec 03 13:34:23 I don't have a pin on my sim so I don't know Dec 03 13:34:52 cosmin: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.11/images/neo1973/ Dec 03 13:35:43 wow, cool Dec 03 13:36:10 can i use these to develop applications for openmoko? Dec 03 13:37:36 cosmin: there is a toolchain to develop applications Dec 03 13:37:38 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain Dec 03 13:37:47 you don't need to make your own images for that Dec 03 13:38:36 cosmin: The easiest way is probably to develop in gtk on your desktop, then try to cross compile it to arm and run on the neo Dec 03 13:38:44 the toolchain will make an ipk, you can install that with "ipkg install package.ipk" on the neo Dec 03 13:39:55 cosmin: but keep in mind that the pixels on your desktop display are much bigger, probably Dec 03 13:40:08 great, i didn't know about the toolchain Dec 03 13:40:11 so you need to make your buttons bigger then you might think first and so on Dec 03 13:40:17 cosmin: it is new ;) Dec 03 13:41:18 is there an emulator i can try before installing on the neo? Dec 03 13:41:52 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu Dec 03 13:42:13 but qemu is incredible slow Dec 03 13:42:15 at least for me Dec 03 13:42:30 slower than neo? Dec 03 13:42:33 yes Dec 03 13:42:42 Much slower Dec 03 13:42:43 it is like a 10mhz neo Dec 03 13:42:44 :D Dec 03 13:42:48 Hehe Dec 03 13:43:17 well, i'll give it a try Dec 03 13:43:32 thanks for the info Dec 03 13:55:42 how to check the battery capable now?? Dec 03 13:57:19 Pengu1n: From the terminal? Dec 03 13:58:12 yeah, it's charging now, the battery applet only show a Lighting:) Dec 03 13:58:19 cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/battvolt Dec 03 13:58:50 I think there's some graphs somewhere showing what voltage is what Dec 03 13:59:25 Pengu1n: cat /proc/apm Dec 03 13:59:43 Oh :) Dec 03 14:00:00 root@fic-gta01:~$ cat /proc/apm Dec 03 14:00:01 or just run 'apm' Dec 03 14:00:02 1.13 1.2 0x02 0x01 0x03 0x08 -1% -1 ? Dec 03 14:00:02 mh Dec 03 14:00:05 what ar the numbers? Dec 03 14:00:16 -1% == charging Dec 03 14:00:21 root@fic-gta01:~$ apmOn-line, battery charging Dec 03 14:00:38 gta01 does not give info about amount of charge during charging Dec 03 14:00:43 the screensaver/locker is very Cool:) Dec 03 14:00:56 nice :) Dec 03 14:00:58 annoying Dec 03 14:01:14 ~lart nokia for not releasing n810 yet Dec 03 14:01:14 * apt explains, ever so gently, that if nokia doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help for not releasing n810 yet Dec 03 14:01:40 XorA: thats problem? Dec 03 14:02:07 * hrw ignores nokia tablets as they do not exists (according to Polish nokia website) Dec 03 14:02:10 hrw: I wanted one in time for christmas hols Dec 03 14:04:35 'fast_cccv' means my neo is in fast charge mode? Dec 03 14:04:42 it does Dec 03 14:04:58 yes Dec 03 14:07:09 thx. I heared that new snapshot can save more power, and thant make neo can use longer time? Dec 03 14:07:45 If it's true, I'll bring my neo to home this night:) Dec 03 14:08:48 shenki Dec 03 14:08:53 bye all. thx Dec 03 14:11:02 * * OM Bug 1071 has been created by hrw(AT)openedhand.com Dec 03 14:11:02 * * Please remove old kernel modules from feeds Dec 03 14:11:03 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1071 Dec 03 14:31:00 Hi, there. Dec 03 14:31:46 my neo cann't boot from normal mode. Must boot into DFU mode, then press power key to select boot, then it boot as will Dec 03 14:38:59 how the hell do you use mtn revert Dec 03 14:39:17 mtn revert file Dec 03 14:39:23 file by file ?! Dec 03 14:39:25 :/ Dec 03 14:39:55 mtn revert here-put-any-names-of-files-or-wildcards-read-manual-it-does-not-hurts-really Dec 03 14:40:49 i-would-read-it-but-it-isn't-very-readable Dec 03 14:44:16 manual? Dec 03 14:44:21 * anrp rubs his eyes Dec 03 14:44:24 sorry, what? :p Dec 03 14:44:40 hrrmm Dec 03 14:45:05 it doesn't do directories Dec 03 14:45:16 and wildcards sort of work Dec 03 14:45:36 use bash then Dec 03 14:47:18 yes,, I know how to get round it, but it doesn't help being told you can use wildcards when they work in some retarded way Dec 03 14:48:21 in fact.. Dec 03 14:48:39 wildcards seem to be implied in some places... Dec 03 14:48:43 it's raher confusing Dec 03 14:49:35 hey guys Dec 03 14:49:50 03chris * r3553 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (17 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) Dec 03 14:49:50 * src/dialer/dialer-main.c: (main): Dec 03 14:49:50 Change object path/interface name to match re-factoring Dec 03 14:49:50 * src/phone-kit/Makefile.am: Dec 03 14:49:50 * src/phone-kit/dialer-main.c: (_dial_number), (main): Dec 03 14:49:52 * src/phone-kit/moko-dialer-dbus.xml: Dec 03 14:49:54 * src/phone-kit/moko-dialer-mcc-dc.h: Dec 03 14:49:54 is there any point in me ordering the GTA01? i've been waiting forever for the GTA02, but looks like 2008 by the earliest Dec 03 14:50:14 * dw really wants an openmoko, but doesn't want to invest in an outdated dev kit Dec 03 14:50:15 dw: Depends on what you want to do with it Dec 03 14:50:43 CM: really i want it for my normal phone. i've wanted to do lots of things on my phone for years, and openmoko seems to enable that Dec 03 14:50:48 (e.g. client-side anonymous call rejection) Dec 03 14:50:50 mickeyl has said that the gta01 will ontinue to be supported... Dec 03 14:51:01 ah, that's interesting Dec 03 14:51:06 you just wont get the extra bits.. Dec 03 14:51:12 i might give it one more month :) Dec 03 14:51:13 like wifi and accelerometers Dec 03 14:51:21 ScaredyCat: out with the soldering iron :-) Dec 03 14:51:25 the 802.11 is desirable Dec 03 14:51:31 I wonder if the powermangement is better in gta02? Dec 03 14:51:50 XorA: if you'd seen the quality of my soldering you wouldn;t suggest that ;) Dec 03 14:52:06 ScaredyCat: cant be worse than some peoples Ive seen Dec 03 14:52:20 * cjb_ie seconds that Dec 03 14:52:22 i've had some idea of recording + compressing every call i make, and uploading that to a vmware instance running dragon naturallyspeaking, returning the text output, and having the phone maintain a keyword index of my calls Dec 03 14:52:50 dw: now that would rock. i gather google are doing speech indexing of video already Dec 03 14:53:05 dw: Hehe, uploading calls with gprs won't be so nice though.. Dec 03 14:53:21 CM: true :) it doesn't need to happen quickly though. just as long as it happens eventually, and i can search Dec 03 14:53:31 *nod* Dec 03 14:53:52 cjb_ie: legal implications aside, i really want to implement it =) Dec 03 14:54:25 rwhitby: curl doesn't build with mokomakefile Dec 03 14:54:27 at least round here there would be no legal implications Dec 03 14:54:41 for your own use, anyway Dec 03 14:55:13 i'd imagine most jurisdictions you have to tell the other person you're recording them. Dec 03 14:55:18 mjr: i think in the UK and ireland, you must explicitly tell the caller that they are being recorded Dec 03 14:55:33 s/tell the caller/ask their permission/ or something like that Dec 03 14:55:49 though, i can't imagine any problem with only recording the tx side of the conversation Dec 03 14:55:50 * dw imagines running dragon naturallyspeaking in vmware on the openmoko would be out of the question ;) Dec 03 14:56:01 cjb_ie: aah, i didn't think that would be possible Dec 03 14:56:04 you could automate a "This call is being recorded for quality control" note to be played back at start of calls :] Dec 03 14:56:06 dw feel free to port gnome-swift :p Dec 03 14:56:26 its a gnome frontend to cepstrals sw Dec 03 14:57:07 AFAIK in .se you can record all you want as long as one party knows its beeing recorded Dec 03 14:57:30 and that beeing you obviously Dec 03 14:57:48 zash, us nordics have similar laws often, yes Dec 03 14:58:21 if you're a party, you can augment your memory Dec 03 14:58:33 what the.. how many swedes are in 'ere? raise yer gimpy hands lads Dec 03 14:59:07 xcasex, you'll miss all the blonde identical twin sisters that way Dec 03 14:59:19 ;_; Dec 03 14:59:32 * cjb_ie raises half a hand for the finlandssvensk contingent Dec 03 15:03:24 * CM waves a hand too, also pointing at jeddy3's shadow Dec 03 15:04:06 * mjr raises a finger for us Finns, the sworn enemies of Swedes Dec 03 15:04:44 * zash is 1/8 .fi or something Dec 03 15:06:12 mjr: Hehe Dec 03 15:09:11 anyone portng any of the desktop voip apps to the moko? Dec 03 15:22:20 Good morning! Dec 03 15:22:46 Can someone help me with the build process? Dec 03 15:23:00 *** No rule to make target 'arm-elf' Dec 03 15:23:40 It has built stuff in /usr/src, which is a nono Dec 03 15:24:22 it has built /usr/src/armtoolchain Dec 03 16:05:11 DukeOfURL: Did you check OE bugzilla? Dec 03 16:15:19 a bug? Dec 03 16:15:24 in MY oe? Dec 03 16:15:27 unthinkable Dec 03 16:16:02 No, no - not in yours Dec 03 16:16:05 In his ;) Dec 03 16:20:35 abraxa_: nothing found searching for arm-elf Dec 03 16:21:12 DukeOfURL: Time to file a bug then :) Dec 03 16:42:58 hi Dec 03 17:09:55 how to set UTC offset of my time in openmoko Dec 03 17:11:50 +1 to NineX question Dec 03 17:12:49 yo Dec 03 17:13:27 openmoko is ignoring symlink what i created betwen /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Warsaw -> /etc/localtime Dec 03 17:14:08 there is a lot of 'linux-ness' that openmoko ignores. Dec 03 17:14:21 this is a consequence of any distro-with-purpose-x style projects Dec 03 17:14:25 they forget to be a proper unix box Dec 03 17:14:50 sounds like you want debian/neo :P Dec 03 17:14:58 no Dec 03 17:15:04 * josch wants :-D Dec 03 17:15:07 tho' that wouldn't be a bad thing (nor particularly difficult) Dec 03 17:15:08 buz: i whana gentoo neo!!! Dec 03 17:15:12 bah Dec 03 17:15:22 NineX: only if you do it on neo from stage1 Dec 03 17:15:35 there are good reasons for distro's to throw away unix-ness, though. forget this at your peril!! Dec 03 17:15:56 buz: i think it is possible Dec 03 17:15:58 ;P Dec 03 17:15:58 (i think that would amount to cruel and unusual punishment, though) Dec 03 17:16:12 well i'm gonna up it then: on battery Dec 03 17:17:46 well, a lot of the linux-ness you are speaking about is really just sysinit scripts and bash Dec 03 17:18:08 or any other (non-busybox) shell for that matter Dec 03 17:21:25 mickey|dinner: its not just initscripts, its systems policy (and app policing by administrative glue) Dec 03 17:22:10 in the good ol' days you couldn't be a unix unless you got certified, and part of that process meant that yes indeed, initscripts had to be used for all services, and such things as touching timezone would send the proper signals to onboard daemons. Dec 03 17:22:19 daemons also had to be certified. Dec 03 17:22:40 but there is none of that in systems like openmoko (which is a new arrival on the unix-system non-compliance scene) Dec 03 17:23:23 i'm not complaining, but just pointing it out that this is a problem endemic across all linux-repurposed-as-X style projects .. Dec 03 17:23:44 LSB-embedded would be nice. Dec 03 17:49:56 did some fix that psplash brokenness btw... Dec 03 17:51:22 ScaredyCat: What's broken about it aside from the lack of efficiency? Dec 03 17:51:39 previos patches don't apply Dec 03 17:52:15 Oh, hm Dec 03 17:52:17 ScaredyCat: It's still broken for me.. Dec 03 17:52:28 :/ Dec 03 17:52:39 it's the configuability patch Dec 03 17:52:45 configurability Dec 03 17:52:49 Ah, now gcc-cross is broken too Dec 03 17:52:54 :/ Dec 03 17:53:10 BrokenMoko (tm) is back.. Dec 03 17:53:15 that blows Dec 03 17:53:18 ~emulate mickeyl Dec 03 17:53:24 :( Dec 03 17:55:00 CM: already fixed Dec 03 17:55:21 you want the moko ? Dec 03 17:55:22 you want the moko ? Dec 03 17:55:29 you can't andle the moko! Dec 03 17:55:32 XorA|gone: Ok, nice :) Dec 03 17:56:09 ~hail XorA Dec 03 17:56:10 * apt bows down to XorA and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Dec 03 17:56:16 hurhur Dec 03 18:06:26 hmm Dec 03 18:06:47 after reboot localtima has set correctly Dec 03 18:06:49 :> Dec 03 18:07:03 hm Dec 03 18:07:53 wirld my battery was 95% full 3 hours ago, now i was check battery is stiull 95% Dec 03 18:11:06 maybe the controller thinks its full? Dec 03 18:11:25 for lithium, if you don't do the top off charge, you can extend cycle life dramatically Dec 03 18:14:24 but more usually, most lithium chargers will not fully charge since any overcharge is dangerous Dec 03 18:14:50 they'll oscillate between 95-99 or so .. Dec 03 18:15:01 thats very general but it makes a good rule of thumb Dec 03 18:30:27 magikarp ^__^ Dec 03 18:35:18 uh oh Dec 03 18:35:27 the horde of /b .. Dec 03 18:37:34 4chan? Dec 03 18:38:15 i'm guessing *chan Dec 03 18:38:44 * abraxa_ nods Dec 03 18:45:49 Hello guys :) Dec 03 18:46:20 I'm testing gllin, and i'm having a little problem is there someone who knows about gllin please? Dec 03 18:46:46 Heya Hicks Dec 03 18:46:56 Just ask your question and anyone who knows will answer ;3 Dec 03 18:46:57 Hello Abraxa Dec 03 18:46:59 ermm Dec 03 18:47:04 well it's complicated Dec 03 18:47:19 i'm writing a piece of code using QT, with a timer in it (each 1 second). Dec 03 18:47:26 Yes of course, nothing is simple in IT :) Dec 03 18:47:35 The timer is supposed to trigger a read to /tmp/nmeaNP Dec 03 18:47:55 so far i understood that this file is a FIFO, but i can't achieve a proper "read" opperation Dec 03 18:48:16 my "reading" routine always "waits" for the next data to arrive, it never reaches EOF Dec 03 18:48:40 What can i do about that? I don't want to cat the output of the GPS to a file, is there a propoer way to read it directly from the FIFO? Dec 03 18:48:59 i tried making my own QIODevice but it failed, now i'm trying with QFile and a timer, with no success. Dec 03 18:49:20 Is there anyone here who knows a but about QT and reading in a FIFO with a timer? Dec 03 18:49:22 Hicks: that's a QT question, not a gllin question :) Dec 03 18:49:28 Hicks: select()? Dec 03 18:49:38 yeah pH5 so what? =/ Dec 03 18:49:54 Hicks: Just to make sure - you did start gllin and did a cat /tmp/nmeaNP to see if it works? Dec 03 18:50:13 i'm asking it about gllin, so maybe someone will tell me "dont read /tmp/nmeaNP but /dev/stuff instead ;)" Dec 03 18:50:16 yes Dec 03 18:50:17 it works Dec 03 18:50:21 no problem with that. Dec 03 18:50:21 okay Dec 03 18:50:27 same thing, the "cat" never ends Dec 03 18:50:40 But you do see NMEA incoming? Dec 03 18:50:40 what would you do in C? Dec 03 18:50:43 Hicks: http://www.mauve.plus.com/dogll Dec 03 18:50:45 yes Dec 03 18:50:46 i do Dec 03 18:50:50 a trivial gps grabby script Dec 03 18:51:14 og thanks Dec 03 18:51:17 oh* Dec 03 18:51:27 let me have a look at it, brb :) Dec 03 18:52:36 Hicks: http://lists.trolltech.com/qt-interest/2004-08/thread00880-0.html Dec 03 18:53:15 Doesn't apply to me, IO_Async doesnt have anything similar in QT4 :( but thanks Dec 03 18:53:43 really? qt4 should have some mechanism to do non-blocking reads Dec 03 18:53:55 it does Dec 03 18:54:15 the problem is the FIFO, i believe i have to write a QIODevice specialy for it Dec 03 18:54:22 but i'm stuck for now :) Dec 03 18:54:23 Well Dec 03 18:54:32 Hicks: http://linux.die.net/man/7/pipe might help Dec 03 18:54:35 i'll use the script SpeedEvil gave me for now, thanks a lot guys Dec 03 18:55:26 yes i have looked at the man for pipe already, the problem seems to be that QT doesnt offer the option to get it asynchroneously oppened :/ Dec 03 18:55:46 thanks guys, i'll try with the grabber for now, or will write one ;) Dec 03 18:57:09 I don't know QT but if you can get at the file handle then just to the fcntl() call and see how QT handles it ;) Dec 03 18:58:24 hmm yes Dec 03 18:58:55 so i can see the oppenning mode of the file Dec 03 18:58:57 good idea Dec 03 18:59:19 strace ftw Dec 03 19:01:32 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1879279396155616104 Dec 03 19:01:35 14:55 Dec 03 19:01:46 someone wants to make this for the neo? :) Dec 03 19:04:24 clever Dec 03 19:14:30 /last/ninex Dec 03 19:15:40 or this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypXAJKF73FA Or maybe not :D Dec 03 19:17:29 hu, since when are so many people in here? Dec 03 19:19:52 apollo13: we're just lurkers, waiting... waiting.... Dec 03 19:20:06 * apollo13 hides again :) Dec 03 19:20:23 apollo13: We are many a lurkers Dec 03 19:20:25 the almighty lurker Dec 03 19:20:35 omnipresent, and yet silent Dec 03 19:20:40 I've been here since... I think ~ February :P Dec 03 19:20:40 ~slap apollo13 Dec 03 19:20:41 * apt slaps apollo13, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! Dec 03 19:20:42 ^^ Dec 03 19:21:04 ouch Dec 03 19:21:11 ~slap NineX Dec 03 19:21:16 * apt slaps NineX, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! Dec 03 19:21:18 hmm :( Dec 03 19:21:25 same message al the time Dec 03 19:21:55 I assume it's better so, otherwise you would slap everyone coming in here, just to see the new messages :) Dec 03 19:22:08 i have lags Dec 03 19:22:26 ~slaps polz Dec 03 19:22:27 ~spam NineX Dec 03 19:22:28 polz: layer Dec 03 19:22:28 * apt subscribes NineX to every possible mailing list he can find on the 'net AND arranges for NineX to get at least 50 snail mail spams a day Dec 03 19:22:38 Abusing bots is a crime. Dec 03 19:22:44 a joe job would be a better idea imo Dec 03 19:22:45 * anrp nods Dec 03 19:24:27 ... and with that, the conversation dies, just as quickly as it started. Dec 03 19:25:30 NineX: a layer of what ? Dec 03 19:26:17 Hello ... I'm having problems to produce an image to use with psplash and found that OpenMoko uses it. Could someone help me? (I used the script to convert the image but the colors aren't right) Dec 03 19:31:01 apollo13: Yeps Dec 03 19:31:14 anrp: * Dec 03 19:31:17 otavio: i think the script is broken since some time because the colours were wrong for me too Dec 03 19:31:17 apollo13: Sorry, not for you Dec 03 19:31:31 Well, we ARE lurkers, we don't come here for the company (no offense) but for the mobile ;) Dec 03 19:31:43 balrog-kun: found it Dec 03 19:31:50 anyone know a place in UK (other than ebay) with stock of asus eee 701? Dec 03 19:32:02 balrog-kun: here was that i were using it with 32bit fb. Change the fb to 16bit Dec 03 19:32:07 balrog-kun: i think it'll work Dec 03 19:32:09 :-) Dec 03 19:33:31 any ideas about this build error: http://dpaste.com/26637/ ? Dec 03 19:34:04 otavio: ah cool Dec 03 19:37:08 apollo13: look like you're trying to compile u-boot for x86 Dec 03 19:37:12 *looks Dec 03 19:38:08 I am following http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Xoo where it suggests to # sed -i 's/fic-gta01/x86/' build/conf/local.conf Dec 03 19:38:23 * balrog-kun is surprised it even compiled that far without errors.. Dec 03 19:38:38 k Dec 03 19:38:52 well, you need to exclude u-bot somehow, i don't know how thats done in oe Dec 03 19:38:57 u-boot Dec 03 19:41:23 hmm Dec 03 19:43:33 http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=912 good, but how can I exclude it; and how to proceed then? Dec 03 19:44:05 apollo13: compile it by hand first, then do make all. Dec 03 19:44:24 compile what by hand first? Dec 03 19:44:34 so no make devel image? Dec 03 19:45:27 i thikn you use a chroot on x86, not an image (not sure) Dec 03 19:46:04 yeah I would do that (at least http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Xoo describes it that way...) Dec 03 19:47:03 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xoo describes my problem but which setup.env does he mean? Dec 03 19:47:41 um it's already there :) Dec 03 19:48:09 does someone know since when is AT@POFF supported, and if i have an earlier gsm firmware is there a way at all to power down the gsm block? Dec 03 19:50:59 the beginning Dec 03 19:51:04 well - at least the first retail Dec 03 19:53:27 on my phone with the 15:11:24 17/04/07 firmware it doesn't know about any AT@ command :/ Dec 03 19:53:41 AT@POFF gives the usual error Dec 03 19:54:24 * otavio wants to know if someone has already used u-boot as a replacement for lilo or grub on a x86 machine? I'd like to use JFFS as filesystem and then GRUB isn't an option (or am I missing something?) Dec 03 19:54:48 oops .. wrong channel Dec 03 19:54:48 balrog-kun: The discussion page in the wiki helped, thx for your advices :) Dec 03 19:55:08 :) Dec 03 19:55:35 otavio: do youhave flash on your x86 machine? jffs can only be used on flash chips Dec 03 19:55:51 but i suspect that yes, there are supported x86 embedded boards Dec 03 20:04:53 balrog-kun: yes Dec 03 20:04:58 balrog-kun: i have Dec 03 20:05:44 balrog-kun: do you have any reference for something similar? Dec 03 20:06:12 otavio: but if you have grub then the bootloader is loaded from HD by the bios? Dec 03 20:06:27 balrog-kun: yes Dec 03 20:06:50 balrog-kun: but GRUB has no support for JFFS2, AFAIK and then u-boot looks a nicer option to me Dec 03 20:07:13 well, grub is capable of loading u-boot from hd into memory and then launching it Dec 03 20:07:17 but not from flash Dec 03 20:07:28 and i guess the BIOS doesn't know abou t the flash either Dec 03 20:08:13 balrog-kun: you mean chainload it? Dec 03 20:08:48 well, read it from disk into memory and launch it as if it was an OS kernel Dec 03 20:09:02 ah ok Dec 03 20:09:07 balrog-kun: got it Dec 03 20:09:19 then u-boot can load what it wants fromt he flash if it has drivers for it Dec 03 20:09:26 balrog-kun: but couldn't it be used instead the bootloader? Dec 03 20:09:27 how's your flash connected to the pc? Dec 03 20:09:47 balrog-kun: it's a disk on chip Dec 03 20:09:57 balrog-kun: using ide, at least it looks to Dec 03 20:10:08 otavio: you would have to hack the bios to avoid going through HD Dec 03 20:10:09 * otavio still new on this 'embedded world' Dec 03 20:10:38 hmm, i don't think u-boot supports this kind of flash Dec 03 20:10:56 or that jfs supports this kind of storage Dec 03 20:11:00 *jffs Dec 03 20:11:46 balrog-kun: well .. let me find this info out and then I contact you back .. ok? Dec 03 20:12:05 balrog-kun: it would be really nice if you could help me since I'm still a novice on it all Dec 03 20:12:37 otavio: it's unlikely that i will be able to help with this Dec 03 20:12:51 otavio: u-boot must have some README or something with the list of machines supported Dec 03 20:13:03 and flash devices Dec 03 20:14:21 hum will check Dec 03 20:15:08 balrog-kun: according to my information, AT@POFF has been in the firmware since moko1 Dec 03 20:15:26 which is all devices made in suzhou Dec 03 20:16:05 hi guys where I can post a patch to moko finger scroll? Dec 03 20:16:18 or libmokoui? Dec 03 20:16:23 mickeyl: strange, maybe i turned something off using some other weird command, will try it again sometime Dec 03 20:16:26 renatofilho_: please attach them to bugzilla.openmoko.org Dec 03 20:16:37 renatofilho_: use openmoko-libs as category. thanks Dec 03 20:16:43 mickeyl, thanks Dec 03 20:16:49 np Dec 03 20:16:50 hi folks, I've a problem with projects svn.. Dec 03 20:17:34 when i checkout svn checkout svn+ssh://emre@svn.projects.openmoko.org/svnroot/automoko it says permission denied (publickey). Dec 03 20:19:21 anyone have idea why why apm always reports battery procentage valuses 95% never more Dec 03 20:19:38 NineX: find /proc -name "batvolt" Dec 03 20:19:41 or is it battvolt Dec 03 20:19:42 cat it Dec 03 20:19:44 what is it Dec 03 20:19:58 root@fic-gta01:~$ find /proc -name "batvolt" Dec 03 20:19:59 root@fic-gta01:~$ Dec 03 20:20:09 no proc Dec 03 20:20:14 /sys Dec 03 20:20:28 yeah - /sys Dec 03 20:20:30 and battvolt Dec 03 20:20:38 Too many open files Dec 03 20:20:40 lol Dec 03 20:22:28 root@fic-gta01:~$ cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/battvolt Dec 03 20:22:31 4195 Dec 03 20:22:42 that must be a minor bug Dec 03 20:22:49 4200 is basically charged Dec 03 20:23:03 root@fic-gta01:~$ cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/battvolt Dec 03 20:23:07 4212 Dec 03 20:23:09 root@fic-gta01:~$ cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/battvolt Dec 03 20:23:12 4218 Dec 03 20:23:22 it's slightly linear - 4000=80%, 3600=10% Dec 03 20:23:37 outside that it rises to 4200 and drops to 2800 rapidly Dec 03 20:24:31 root@fic-gta01:~$ cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/chgcur Dec 03 20:24:35 560 Dec 03 20:24:53 what can I do with this one: http://dpaste.com/26650/ ? Dec 03 20:24:59 560 mA ? Dec 03 20:25:30 NineX: no - it's an arbitrary unit Dec 03 20:33:52 when i checkout svn checkout svn+ssh://emre@svn.projects.openmoko.org/svnroot/automoko it says permission denied (publickey). anyone has any idea why? Dec 03 20:38:55 I was able to build it now, but xoo stops at http://dpaste.com/26652/ Dec 03 20:39:11 am the window manager not xoo, obviously Dec 03 20:39:50 looks good Dec 03 20:39:57 matchbox runs now Dec 03 20:40:05 you should start some X clients Dec 03 20:40:23 I have xephyr listening on :1 Dec 03 20:41:51 or what do you mean? Dec 03 20:55:28 SpeedEvil: Did you by chance get to have a go at retrieving the battery level patch? Dec 03 20:57:17 hmm matchbox is getting events randomly but I can't see a gui Dec 03 20:59:17 x-window-managers tells me that dbus isn't runnung Dec 03 20:59:19 running* Dec 03 21:00:27 abraxa_: I'm having problems unrelated to that which meant that I need to reinstall the whole system, and upgrade stuff before I can put the disk back. Dec 03 21:00:56 SpeedEvil: Ahh okay, that's cool - just thought I'd check up on it :) Dec 03 21:01:03 I stupidly bzip2'd a disk image Dec 03 21:01:10 and now I don't have room to extract it Dec 03 21:01:48 Ouch =x Dec 03 21:52:03 hello all Dec 03 21:52:19 OJW: are you awake? Dec 03 21:52:50 hi Dec 03 21:52:57 hi Dec 03 21:53:01 hello Dec 03 21:53:16 I'm debuging your pyroute Dec 03 21:53:29 but I'm green at python Dec 03 21:53:36 and gtk Dec 03 21:53:47 but I have some questions Dec 03 21:54:14 I ran pyroute on PC box Dec 03 21:54:18 on ubuntu Dec 03 21:54:27 and it's almost killing my machine Dec 03 21:54:55 it calls over and over do_expose_event Dec 03 21:55:00 is it normal? Dec 03 21:55:31 I understand that it process some kind of gtk event and draws map(?) Dec 03 21:55:59 but no external events income (click, gps pos change) so why should it react so often and rapidly Dec 03 21:56:25 I don't think it should continually redraw (unless you have a GPS attached and the position is changing) Dec 03 21:56:38 Small question about pyroute (or any extensive gui), how much better will it run on the GTA02? Dec 03 21:56:50 I don't have gps Dec 03 21:56:56 I have pos.txt Dec 03 21:57:07 constant in contents Dec 03 21:58:20 ah, that might be it. it keeps reading that file and then calling handleUpdatedPosition()? Dec 03 21:58:29 without noticing that you haven't moved Dec 03 21:58:29 I suppose do_expose_event is called by gtk, I'm right? Dec 03 21:58:44 I will delete pos.txt Dec 03 21:58:45 and see Dec 03 21:59:30 bingo! Dec 03 22:00:05 now it consumes about 1% without clicking Dec 03 22:00:07 ok, so it needs to detect if position has changed before asking for a redraw Dec 03 22:00:11 :D Dec 03 22:00:23 (and also if position is on screen, I guess) Dec 03 22:00:23 may I fix that? Dec 03 22:00:36 that would be nice if you could Dec 03 22:03:02 I can't do it easy because I don't know python but I'm trying to learn so fixing it would be very good practice for me Dec 03 22:03:53 and what about that position is on the screen -what do you mean by that? what should I check Dec 03 22:04:16 nevermind about position on screen yet Dec 03 22:04:42 in gui.py, there is an updatePosition() function Dec 03 22:05:03 which calls handleUpdatedPosition() Dec 03 22:05:26 it should only call handleUpdatedPosition if newpos is not the same location as self.get("ownpos") Dec 03 22:07:54 got it, in fact so very simple Dec 03 22:08:02 yet killing machine but Dec 03 22:11:44 if anyone knows xlib surfaces and colour depths in cairo, there must be some simple thing that would make it draw images faster... Dec 03 22:12:27 OJW: Are you copying from an image surface to an xlib surface? Dec 03 22:14:01 how to check if self.get('ownpos') is initialized? Dec 03 22:14:13 because it's first type of None Dec 03 22:14:20 how to check that in py? Dec 03 22:14:49 zdanek: just look for it's ['valid'] attribute, which is guaranteed to exist because I create it during initialisation Dec 03 22:15:20 blibble = self.get('ownpos') ... if(blibble['valid']): Dec 03 22:16:18 cworth: yes, probably something very like that. drawing image surface onto a "self.window.cairo_create()" whatever that is Dec 03 22:16:28 during debug get(ownpos) showed me NoneType: None Dec 03 22:16:57 OJW: self.window.cairo_create will be giving you an "xlib surface", (if GTK+ is targeting an X server anyway) Dec 03 22:17:29 I take it that drawing image onto xlib is a bad thing? Dec 03 22:17:32 OJW: So going from image->xlib is "slow", and you'll probably do better by doing that once instead of over and over. Dec 03 22:17:53 so I need to create an xlib surface and copy each image into that Dec 03 22:18:01 one per image, i mean Dec 03 22:18:03 One thing to consider is to use cairo_surface_create_similar instead of cairo_image_surface_create for creating intermediate surfaces. Dec 03 22:18:12 OJW: Yes. Dec 03 22:18:46 OJW: And there is some talk about making image->xlib faster, (using XShm for example), but that will be new cairo API that doesn't exist yet. Dec 03 22:19:18 ok. I guess I must know how to do the image->xlib copy, because the draw function already does that Dec 03 22:20:06 zdanek: where are you checking from? At the beginning, there's "self.set('ownpos', {'valid':False})", so self.get('ownpos') after that should always return something I think Dec 03 22:21:06 OJW: always from updatePosition Dec 03 22:21:17 after newpos Dec 03 22:21:23 but it doesn't matter Dec 03 22:21:26 inside updatePosition Dec 03 22:21:34 for the first run Dec 03 22:23:01 hi ^^ Dec 03 22:23:23 zdanek: I see what you mean... interesting Dec 03 22:24:35 \o/ Dec 03 22:25:16 try moving "self.updatePosition()" one line down ;) in the __init__ function Dec 03 22:25:18 OJW: right Dec 03 22:25:34 so besides that bug, how to check if variable is initialized? Dec 03 22:25:44 well you can compare it with None Dec 03 22:25:56 (I'm trying to learn python here! xD) Dec 03 22:26:32 or you can "try:" then have some indented code, and then "except IndexError" or "except KeyError" to look for uninitialised arrays Dec 03 22:26:50 hi Bob_le_Pointu Dec 03 22:26:57 ;) Dec 03 22:27:09 I have a question for some people here Dec 03 22:27:32 is it possible to hach the razr2 v8 to make it run on the openmoko platform Dec 03 22:27:34 ? Dec 03 22:27:57 Hach ? Dec 03 22:28:00 zdanek: http://www.diveintopython.org/file_handling/index.html#fileinfo.exception Dec 03 22:28:08 hack Dec 03 22:28:16 sorry Dec 03 22:28:38 I'm java pro and there it's not wise to check against some conditions by catching proper exceptions, because it's damn slow but maybe it's different in py Dec 03 22:30:13 Valdo eventually Dec 03 22:30:48 * Valdo is dreaming of iphone hacks to make it run on openmoko as well Dec 03 22:30:49 OJW: haha! I did it! my first lines of Dec 03 22:30:52 Valdo basically openmoko can run on any hardware, its just a question if and how to get the documentation or reverse engineer it to write drivers. Dec 03 22:30:54 python bugfix Dec 03 22:30:54 :D Dec 03 22:31:06 whooah Dec 03 22:31:07 does openmoko run on N810? Dec 03 22:31:17 As long as it's >64M ROM/RAM or so and a 32 bit MMU'd CPU Dec 03 22:31:50 I must say that is speed up about 10x! Dec 03 22:31:55 now it runs smoothly Dec 03 22:31:58 OJW: it could, if you port it Dec 03 22:32:03 OJW no clue if abybody tried, but with some work thats possible Dec 03 22:32:09 I'll check that on Neo Dec 03 22:32:40 zdanek: what hardware? is this on a PC? Dec 03 22:33:09 my PC? Dec 03 22:33:20 pent M III 1Ghz Dec 03 22:33:27 not very fast Dec 03 22:33:35 I feel real difference Dec 03 22:33:39 that was very nasty but Dec 03 22:33:41 ok. about 1.5x the speed of my PC then Dec 03 22:33:41 bug Dec 03 22:34:20 but it really runs smoothly now Dec 03 22:34:26 it would probably run on N800 if you installed it Dec 03 22:34:51 may be not very straight forward but no code changes i think Dec 03 22:34:55 are you using the weird new version where you have to go into the menu to zoom in/out? Dec 03 22:36:29 http://www.openmoko.org.pl/files/pyroute/gui.py Dec 03 22:36:51 I have 3 buttons Dec 03 22:37:04 and I use 2 of them to zoom Dec 03 22:37:20 but sometimes menu pops up when not pushing on buttons area Dec 03 22:37:32 it hanged for a bit of time Dec 03 22:37:44 s/hanged/hung Dec 03 22:37:49 there's a menu which comes up when you click on the map Dec 03 22:37:53 (I can't use the thing) Dec 03 22:37:56 if it hangs, it's normally downloading tiles Dec 03 22:38:11 map images I mean. the console normally says "downloading..." Dec 03 22:38:17 nope, the problem was with that bug I fix because I doesn't anymore Dec 03 22:38:21 yes Dec 03 22:38:23 oh okay Dec 03 22:38:30 check my file Dec 03 22:38:32 merge it Dec 03 22:38:49 OJW: tell me where are cached files stored? Dec 03 22:40:21 cache/ directory Dec 03 22:40:30 thanks, I've got your file and have merged it Dec 03 22:40:47 woot! Dec 03 22:40:48 it doesn't limit cache size yet :( nor the amount of tiles in memory Dec 03 22:40:52 my build finally completed. Dec 03 22:41:00 * torpor does the catchup om dance Dec 03 22:42:37 I'm using 2GB card Dec 03 22:42:39 :D Dec 03 22:44:37 zdanek: enough for 12000 map images of complicated places Dec 03 22:46:02 OJW: there's another but I recently (yesterday?) wrote to you about Dec 03 22:46:21 after zooming in with downloading images whole map is blank Dec 03 22:46:32 but dotted button-lines are seen Dec 03 22:46:40 until one click on map Dec 03 22:46:46 then it refreshes Dec 03 22:46:55 same on PC and neo Dec 03 22:47:03 zdanek: yes, I haven't got around to looking at that yet. It's after downloading new tiles I think Dec 03 22:48:36 I uncommeted "map took x ms" and this text is displayed but map isn't Dec 03 22:49:11 hello! I noticed that the the first Qtopia-on-Neo screenshot (community portal of wiki) shows several messages from Virgin Mobile. I thought VM was not a GSM network?? Anybody know what's up? Dec 03 22:49:58 kghia: maybe it's from different country you live in Dec 03 22:50:20 it still can be virtual provider Dec 03 22:50:31 zdanek: can you get the latest tiles.py and try again Dec 03 22:50:52 (zdanek: your gui.py is uploaded to SVN now too) Dec 03 22:51:06 zdanek, good point! I gotta stop that US-centric thinking Dec 03 22:51:39 virgin mobile is gsm here in australia Dec 03 22:51:39 OJW: ok, I'll check that Dec 03 22:52:50 kghia ;) do not wonder.. its aly difficult for a european to understand why anybody would ever buy cdma.. just a question of perspctive and indivitual felt reality Dec 03 22:53:08 ljp, thanks-- I don't know why they used a different network here. US is stuck with only AT&T/Cingular and T-Mobile. Dec 03 22:54:24 virgin doesnt have their own network, they buy it off others. here they use the optus network Dec 03 22:55:17 jlp: as I said, they are virtual operator Dec 03 22:55:29 It's very common Dec 03 22:55:44 yep. even a coffedealer here in germany sells phones and sims Dec 03 22:56:14 got some prepaid testsims there. 10E a piece, and 2 years flat voicecalls within the same network Dec 03 22:56:50 cworth: you there? Dec 03 22:57:58 roh:tchibo Dec 03 22:59:19 here GSM is more rare-- my brother had to unlock his SIM to go from Cingular to AT&T when they merged (i.e. same company) Dec 03 22:59:46 zdanek jap ;) Dec 03 23:00:00 zdanek perfect moko test-sims.. atleast for now. Dec 03 23:00:20 :D Dec 03 23:00:28 and new VWs such as the Eos have a "phone" button that does nothing in the US...because VW was really using the SIM from the clients phone with an embedded phone in the VW Dec 03 23:00:41 roh: you should consider simyo for the neo Dec 03 23:00:46 OJW: found hang point Dec 03 23:00:51 btw.. there will be quite some gsm and moko hackers on 24c3 ;) just that you all know Dec 03 23:00:53 they have incredible low price for gprs Dec 03 23:01:00 borg_ whatfor? Dec 03 23:01:06 MapWidget. __init_ Dec 03 23:01:16 loading osm.data Dec 03 23:01:17 to surf with the neo.. ;) Dec 03 23:01:21 borg_ i do not use !flat services where possible ;) Dec 03 23:01:46 I'm in LA with AT&T, they use GSM Dec 03 23:02:01 OJW: it hangs during routin.osm load Dec 03 23:02:06 borg_ i have a base-umts/gprs flat in use and routhe ip to the neo via usb or bt Dec 03 23:02:07 pulled my payasyougo sim from the $20 shitty phone and put it in my 6310i Dec 03 23:02:19 roh: ah, ok ;) Dec 03 23:02:22 what's happening? do you have a data/routing.osm file? Dec 03 23:02:26 OJW: which is 2,9M Dec 03 23:02:33 * ewon got a BT-11 gps tracker today Dec 03 23:02:40 torpor: I guess you found me in #cairo? :-) Dec 03 23:02:42 downloaded lately for my city (Warsaw PL) Dec 03 23:02:47 ah okay. yeah it's not so speedy at reading those files Dec 03 23:02:51 cworth: it'd be nicer to stay here! :) Dec 03 23:02:56 do youknow the name of the app i'm talking about? Dec 03 23:03:04 could it be in separate thread? Dec 03 23:03:13 just for freeing GUI Dec 03 23:03:18 cworth: libcairowrap could be it. Dec 03 23:03:28 torpor: Sure, I'm always here too. :-) Dec 03 23:03:33 ok Dec 03 23:03:39 i think thats it, thanks. i'll look at it now. Dec 03 23:03:53 ewon: I will probably go AT&T, although I had a job setback and have to wait now :-( just get to play with openmoko on my PC for now Dec 03 23:04:32 hmm.. maybe this isn't what i was thinking of, but something else Dec 03 23:04:40 if I could do it on Virgin Mobile, I have an "emergency use" phone from them, but alas not GSM here Dec 03 23:04:52 OJW: new menu is awesome but I'm not conviced that removing zoom buttons is best solution Dec 03 23:05:00 as they are mostly used Dec 03 23:05:08 and should be by-the-hand Dec 03 23:05:09 zdanek: me neither. still trying to find the best meny layout Dec 03 23:05:32 I would convince you to add 2 cool buttons Dec 03 23:05:38 for zooming Dec 03 23:05:47 they could be smaller than menu Dec 03 23:05:52 like the menu button? Dec 03 23:06:08 just figer-tip size Dec 03 23:06:28 for touch screens ofcource (neo especially) Dec 03 23:06:36 cworth: no that isn't it.. it was something else, a bit more toollike.. it ate an SVG and spat out cairo C code .. Dec 03 23:06:38 s\s\s Dec 03 23:06:47 chow to change my last mistake? Dec 03 23:06:50 hwo Dec 03 23:06:52 how Dec 03 23:06:56 (damn :) ) Dec 03 23:07:15 s/foo/bar/ Dec 03 23:07:19 too late, it's in the archive now! ;-) Dec 03 23:07:39 I'm sure I will forget that but I'll try not to :) Dec 03 23:08:07 okay, I will put new pyroute on my neo Dec 03 23:10:34 torpor: I'm not sure I've ever seen a utility like that. Dec 03 23:10:39 hmm. Dec 03 23:10:42 damn Dec 03 23:10:50 because it sure would be useful. but oh well. Dec 03 23:10:56 torpor: (For simple cases, I often use emacs search-and-replace though...) Dec 03 23:11:07 i guess i'll try to use libcairowrap Dec 03 23:11:16 torpor: Yes, it would be. One idea we've toyed with is a backend for cairo that emits C code. ;-) Dec 03 23:11:32 But what we have so far instead is libcairowrap. Dec 03 23:11:35 well basically what i'm tryig to do is use SVG to design my cairo drawing routines. Dec 03 23:12:44 i could use librsvg but that doesn't really give me good control over the objects. Dec 03 23:13:05 OJW: do you know about missing colorsys.py file? Dec 03 23:13:12 It's somewhere in libraries Dec 03 23:13:18 I thought coloursys was standard library Dec 03 23:13:22 but it's not seen on many "neos" Dec 03 23:13:37 and it had to be copied Dec 03 23:13:45 I don't knoe Dec 03 23:13:50 s/knoe/know/ Dec 03 23:13:52 zdanek meant: I don't know Dec 03 23:13:56 :D Dec 03 23:14:10 I found it on the net and copied in Dec 03 23:14:13 oh. well if necessary, maybe we can copy a version into pyroute's SVN. not very neat though Dec 03 23:14:58 maybe it should be shipped with pyroute Dec 03 23:16:12 03andrew * r3554 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/hw/ (7 files): Genericise SD bus to allow cards other than SD flash storage. Dec 03 23:17:22 am I allowed to distribute colorsys? what's the license? Dec 03 23:17:29 roh, who from openmoko (or this nice channel) will be at 24c3? Dec 03 23:18:30 OJW: I don't event know where it comes from Dec 03 23:18:43 http://docs.python.org/lib/module-colorsys.html Dec 03 23:18:44 if it's gnu I supper youre are Dec 03 23:18:53 s/supper/suppose/ Dec 03 23:18:54 zdanek meant: if it's gnu I suppose youre are Dec 03 23:18:58 :D Dec 03 23:19:01 again... Dec 03 23:19:03 good tool Dec 03 23:19:08 bad tool Dec 03 23:19:27 I start du add spaces to my regexes so that apt doesnt repeat them Dec 03 23:20:00 OJW: are any POIs working? Dec 03 23:20:07 I cant enable any Dec 03 23:22:06 wiki (geonames) isn't working, and will be replaced by OSM data. geoRSS should work, if you add feeds to data/feeds.txt. waypoints are working. and the stuff in "business" menu (local pubs) isn't working, but I'm looking at those now Dec 03 23:23:57 and what are these geoRSS feeds? Dec 03 23:26:59 josch that is a good question. i will be in any case. gismo our admin will also be there i assume and some other people from #neo1973-germany Dec 03 23:28:07 zdanek: try looking on http://mapufacture.com/ for some geoRSS feeds to try Dec 03 23:30:53 thx Dec 03 23:31:48 n/p. anyway, off now before it becomes midnight again Dec 03 23:32:30 torpor: librsvg+libcairowrap should definitely give you a starting point for embedding C code into your program Dec 03 23:32:52 You can use libcairowrap with my little svg2png for example. Dec 03 23:33:28 about that midnigth, OJW is from UK Dec 03 23:33:36 I'm from Poland and I'm past mid... Dec 03 23:33:38 :) Dec 03 23:33:38 nice.. 2007.11 brings up one pin helper for me and works Dec 03 23:38:23 cworth: thanks for the tips .. i think i'm going to approach this problem a different way! Dec 03 23:39:01 time to hack some dinner! Dec 03 23:39:09 okay, time for bed Dec 03 23:39:24 goodnight all Dec 04 01:00:35 roh, omg entering my sim and autoregistering REALLY WORKS with 2007.11 !! I'm really, really impressed! Dec 04 01:00:59 dot eleven? Dec 04 01:01:05 but therefor sound doesn't work but who wants to hear something anyway ^^ Dec 04 01:01:16 * Kero has 9 versions to catch up? Dec 04 01:01:46 Kero, no, the november snapshot here: http://downloads.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.11/images/ Dec 04 01:03:08 well. if ipkg upgrade still has nothing, I might as well try that. Dec 04 01:03:28 broken for all practical purposes, atm, anyway... :( Dec 04 01:04:35 (it's december!) Dec 04 01:08:00 * Kero shakes his head at the puny nameserver, proxy and bandwidth at his current location. Dec 04 01:33:12 and for the umpteenth time, get $%^&* rid of psplash. Once more, I have no ssh, no X and no clue what's wrong because I can not bloody see the console Dec 04 01:33:48 +1 to that Dec 04 01:37:20 Kero: you can set an option in your bootargs to disable it, or you can just delete the psplash file in /etc/init.d if it boots up. Dec 04 01:39:55 in bootargs? How does that reach init scripts? Dec 04 01:43:18 Is there a public release schedule for GTA02 on the website? Dec 04 01:47:59 mwester-road: searching on uboot or psplash on the wiki gives me zilch. which arg should I set? Dec 04 01:51:31 mwester-road: searching on uboot or psplash on the wiki gives me zilch. which arg should I set? Dec 04 01:52:04 is it me? Dec 04 01:54:57 Kero: standard linux kernel feature - the command line can be parsed by scripts. Check the logic in /etc/init.d/psplash Dec 04 01:55:37 mwester-road: can't check it, I have no ssh, no X and no console Dec 04 01:56:11 it has happened before, with different openmoko images. It is rather annoying. Dec 04 01:56:20 Then you'll just have to trust me until you get it booted up :P :D Dec 04 01:57:38 erm. I can do setenv bootargs to about any random value in uboot. Just which particular value wil cause psplash to die? Dec 04 01:58:14 and now some openmomko commitlog killed iceweasel/firefox Dec 04 02:04:56 Kero: try "psplash=false" in bootargs Dec 04 02:08:05 ^^^ what mmontour said. (sorry, I'm doing way too many things at once here) Dec 04 02:12:01 will try. Why does "Set console to USB" not seem to work, btw? Dec 04 02:18:59 timeout while populating /dev Dec 04 02:19:21 bunch of GConf errors, causing some openmoko-*2 postinst scripts to fail Dec 04 02:19:45 read-only / ? Dec 04 02:20:50 handful of jffs2 errors, #Truncating ino #1328 to 709544 bytes failed because it only had 37533 bytes to start with!" Dec 04 02:21:07 (an indoe with 375339 bytes??) Dec 04 02:21:47 balrog-kun: possibly. it said remounting / somewhere, but that scrolled out of my screen... Dec 04 02:23:06 i backup and reflash everytime there are too many jffs2 errors Dec 04 02:24:16 just reflashed Dec 04 02:24:32 and trust me, after all these months, I've *nothing* to back up :(((((((((( Dec 04 02:27:09 i normally have a couple of changes in /etc but otherwise also nothing to back up Dec 04 02:27:10 what's the tty to dump console to USB ? Dec 04 02:27:39 u-boot console? Dec 04 02:28:27 this stdin/stdout/stderr trick isn't doing anything. I now managed to get no console on Neo, by setting console=ttySAC0 instead of console=tty0 Dec 04 02:30:34 kernel/linux console, rather (which I want to set within u-boot) Dec 04 02:33:33 under linux you have ethernet over USB, not console Dec 04 02:37:29 udevsynthesize: permission denied Dec 04 02:39:44 * Kero will just reflash... Dec 04 02:40:42 Kero: have you been doing the nand erase rootfs bit when you reflash the rootfs? Dec 04 02:41:29 mwester-road: good point. No, I didn't... It's been too long since I did *anything* with my Neo, apparently. Dec 04 02:42:03 hmm.. well not erasing (assuming you don't have the new uboot) caused me lots of issues Dec 04 02:42:28 so, make sure to erase the kernel and rootfs nand blocks before flashing Dec 04 02:43:00 iirc, the new uboot will automatically erase the blocks you are flashing Dec 04 02:43:09 no new uboot (yet) Dec 04 02:43:11 so if you have a jtag board, you should flash uboot also Dec 04 02:43:30 i've still not flashed my uboot because i don't know anyone local that has a jtag board Dec 04 02:43:52 no jtag board, either. Anyone in NYC have one? Dec 04 02:46:39 no need to erase the kernel partition Dec 04 02:47:10 why not? Dec 04 02:48:45 uboot reads the kernel, not a single byte more than necessary Dec 04 02:49:01 i see Dec 04 02:49:19 i still erase it.. it's one more command ;-) Dec 04 02:50:39 right, and then kernel decompresses itself also only the programmed size Dec 04 02:51:42 it's only significant for jffs2 partitions because of the jffs2 braindead design Dec 04 02:52:04 yes Dec 04 02:53:40 now you did it, you scared dwmw away with your insult about jffs2 ! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Dec 04 02:59:56 2007