**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 11 02:59:57 2007
Dec 11 03:54:36 <Mek> hmm.. anybody knows where/how the toolchain ends up when running 'make openmoko-toolchain'?
Dec 11 04:12:45 <linuxxr> yup its lookoig good
Dec 11 05:08:56 <daMaestro> ScaredyCat, ping
Dec 11 05:44:50 <vikas> hi guys
Dec 11 05:44:58 <vikas> i just finished my first build of openmoko
Dec 11 05:45:30 <vikas> but i got an error when i ran 'make qemu-local'
Dec 11 05:45:36 <vikas> the error is like so:
Dec 11 05:45:44 <vikas> openmoko/flash.sh: line 96: kill: (-30771) - No such process
Dec 11 05:45:44 <vikas> U-boot failed to finish writing in 120 seconds, giving up.
Dec 11 05:45:44 <vikas> make: *** [flash-qemu-local] Error 255
Dec 11 05:45:52 <vikas> any idea what the issue is?
Dec 11 05:46:04 <Mek> can you paste-bin a bit more output?
Dec 11 05:46:41 <vikas> is there a website for the pastebin?
Dec 11 05:46:44 <vikas> or is it a bot?
Dec 11 05:50:03 <SpeedEvil> pastebin.com
Dec 11 05:50:08 <SpeedEvil> as one of many examples
Dec 11 05:50:17 <SpeedEvil> a website that you can paste stuff to
Dec 11 05:50:30 <SpeedEvil> and others cna read it without clogging up channels
Dec 11 05:50:45 <vikas> SpeedEvil: thanks
Dec 11 05:52:03 <vikas> Mek: here's the URL: [ -x splashimg.pl ]
Dec 11 05:52:04 <vikas> [ -s System_boot.png ]
Dec 11 05:52:04 <vikas> ./splashimg.pl System_boot.png > splash
Dec 11 05:52:04 <vikas> 480 x 640 (255)
Dec 11 05:52:07 <vikas> gzip -c < splash > splash.gz
Dec 11 05:52:09 <vikas> make[1]: Leaving directory `/media/disk/backup/moko/build/qemu/openmoko'
Dec 11 05:52:13 <vikas> Using 'uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr3238-r9-neo1973.bin' as the kernel image.
Dec 11 05:52:15 <vikas> Using 'OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20071211-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2' as the root filesystem image.
Dec 11 05:52:18 <vikas> Using 'u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+gitf34024d4a328e6edd906456da98d2c537155c4f7+svn2943-r1.bin' as bootloader.
Dec 11 05:52:22 <vikas> make[1]: Entering directory `/media/disk/backup/moko/build/qemu/openmoko'
Dec 11 05:52:24 <vikas> # Making an empty/erased flash image.  Need a correct echo behavior.
Dec 11 05:52:27 <vikas> echo -en \\0377\\0377\\0377\\0377\\0377\\0377\\0377\\0377 > .8b
Dec 11 05:52:32 <vikas> cat .8b .8b > .16b # OOB is 16 bytes
Dec 11 05:52:33 <xcasex> ...
Dec 11 05:52:34 <vikas> cat .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b > .512b
Dec 11 05:52:37 <vikas> cat .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b >> .512b
Dec 11 05:52:43 <vikas> cat .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b >> .512b
Dec 11 05:52:46 <vikas> cat .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b >> .512b
Dec 11 05:52:47 <vikas> cat .512b .16b > .sec # A sector is 512 bytes of data + OOB
Dec 11 05:52:49 <vikas> cat .sec .sec .sec .sec .sec .sec .sec .sec > .8sec
Dec 11 05:52:53 <vikas> cat .8sec .8sec .8sec .8sec .8sec .8sec .8sec .8sec > .64sec
Dec 11 05:52:55 <vikas> cat .64sec .64sec .64sec .64sec .64sec .64sec .64sec .64sec > .512sec
Dec 11 05:52:59 <vikas> cat .512sec .512sec .512sec .512sec > .2ksec
Dec 11 05:53:02 <vikas> cat .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec > .16ksec
Dec 11 05:53:05 <vikas> # Neo NAND is 128k sectors big
Dec 11 05:53:08 <vikas> cat .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec > openmoko-flash.base
Dec 11 05:53:09 <vikas> rm -rf .8b .16b .512b .sec .8sec .64sec .512sec .2ksec .16ksec
Dec 11 05:53:13 <vikas> make[1]: Leaving directory `/media/disk/backup/moko/build/qemu/openmoko'
Dec 11 05:53:16 <vikas> Please wait, programming the NAND flash...
Dec 11 05:53:19 <vikas> neo_gsm_switch: GSM disabled.
Dec 11 05:53:22 <vikas> U-Boot 1.3.0-rc11.2.0+gitf34024d4a328e6edd906456da98d2c537155c4f7+svn2943 (Dec 11 2007 - 09:21:05)
Dec 11 05:53:25 <vikas> DRAM:  128 MB
Dec 11 05:53:29 <vikas> NAND:  Bad block table not found for chip 0
Dec 11 05:53:32 <vikas> Bad block table not found for chip 0
Dec 11 05:53:35 <vikas> 64 MiB
Dec 11 05:53:38 <vikas> *** Warning - bad CRC or NAND, using default environment
Dec 11 05:53:39 <vikas> Video: 640x480x8 31kHz 59Hz
Dec 11 05:53:43 <vikas> USB:   S3C2410 USB Deviced
Dec 11 05:53:46 <vikas> mtdparts variable not set, see 'help mtdparts'
Dec 11 05:53:49 <vikas> mtdparts variable not set, see 'help mtdparts'
Dec 11 05:53:52 <vikas> mtdparts variable not set, see 'help mtdparts'
Dec 11 05:53:55 <vikas> mtdparts variable not set, see 'help mtdparts'
Dec 11 05:53:59 <vikas> mtdparts variable not set, see 'help mtdparts'
Dec 11 05:54:02 <vikas> In:    serial
Dec 11 05:54:05 <vikas> Out:   serial
Dec 11 05:54:08 <vikas> Err:   serial
Dec 11 05:54:09 <vikas> pcf_write: charging in Qualification Mode.
Dec 11 05:54:13 <vikas> pcf_write: charge voltage 4.20V.
Dec 11 05:54:16 <vikas> neo_lcd_rst_switch: LCD reset.
Dec 11 05:54:17 <mbuf> vikas, don't flood the channel! use rafb.net or pastebin.ca!
Dec 11 05:54:19 <vikas> jbt6k74_command: Display on.
Dec 11 05:54:22 <vikas> neo_vib_switch: Buzz, buzz.
Dec 11 05:54:26 <vikas> neo_vib_switch: Vibrator stopped.
Dec 11 05:54:29 <vikas> neo_bl_switch: LCD Backlight now on.
Dec 11 05:54:32 <vikas> GTA01Bv4 #                
Dec 11 05:54:36 <vikas> GTA01Bv4 # 
Dec 11 05:54:36 <gi-el> mbuf: he obviously tried, but this was in the copy buffer instead of the url
Dec 11 05:54:39 <vikas> GTA01Bv4 # setenv dontask y
Dec 11 05:54:39 <vikas> GTA01Bv4 # nand createbbt
Dec 11 05:54:42 <vikas> Create BBT and erase everything ? <y/N>
Dec 11 05:54:45 <vikas> Skipping bad block at  0x03ff0000                                            
Dec 11 05:54:48 <vikas> Skipping bad block at  0x03ff4000                                            
Dec 11 05:54:51 <vikas> Skipping bad block at  0x03ff8000                                            
Dec 11 05:54:54 <vikas> Skipping bad block at  0x03ffc000                                            
Dec 11 05:54:57 <vikas> Creating BBT. Please wait ...Bad block table not found for chip 0
Dec 11 05:55:01 <vikas> Bad block table not found for chip 0
Dec 11 05:55:04 <vikas> Bad block table written to 0x03ffc000, version 0x01
Dec 11 05:55:07 <vikas> Bad block table written to 0x03ff8000, version 0x01
Dec 11 05:55:09 <vikas> GTA01Bv4 # setenv bootcmd 'setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} ${mtdparts}; bootm 0x30800000'
Dec 11 05:55:13 <vikas> GTA01Bv4 # setenv menu_1 'Set console to USB: setenv stdin usbtty; setenv stdout usbtty; setenv stderr usbtty'
Dec 11 05:55:17 <vikas> GTA01Bv4 # setenv menu_2 'Set console to serial: setenv stdin serial; setenv stdout serial; setenv stderr serial'
Dec 11 05:55:21 <vikas> GTA01Bv4 # setenv menu_3 'Power off: neo1973 power-off'
Dec 11 05:55:24 <vikas> GTA01Bv4 # setenv splashimage 'nand read.e 0x36000000 splash 0x5000; unzip 0x36000000 0x33d00000 0x96000'
Dec 11 05:55:24 <vikas> GTA01Bv4 # setenv mtdids nand0=neo1973-nand
Dec 11 05:55:27 <vikas> GTA01Bv4 # setenv mtdparts mtdparts=neo1973-nand:0x00050000(u-boot),0x00004000(u-boot_env),0x00208000(kernel),0x00010000(splash),0x039a4000(rootfs)
Dec 11 05:55:30 <vikas> GTA01Bv4 # #dynpart
Dec 11 05:55:33 <vikas> Unknown command '#dynpart' - try 'help'
Dec 11 05:55:37 <vikas> GTA01Bv4 # nand write.e 0x30800000 u-boot 0x34610
Dec 11 05:55:39 <vikas> NAND write: device 0 offset 0x0, size 0x34610
Dec 11 05:55:43 <vikas> Writing data at 0x34600 --   0% complete.te.
Dec 11 05:55:46 <vikas>  214544 bytes written: OK
Dec 11 05:55:49 <vikas> GTA01Bv4 # dynenv set u-boot_env
Dec 11 05:55:52 <vikas> device 0 offset 0x50000, size 0x4000
Dec 11 05:55:55 <vikas> 45 4e 56 30 - 00 00 05 00
Dec 11 05:55:58 <vikas> GTA01Bv4 # saveenv
Dec 11 05:56:02 <vikas> Saving Environment to NAND...
Dec 11 05:56:05 <vikas> Erasing Nand...Writing to Nand... done
Dec 11 05:56:08 <vikas> GTA01Bv4 # neo1973 power-off
Dec 11 05:56:09 <vikas> poweroff
Dec 11 05:56:12 <vikas> pcf_write: Power-off requested.
Dec 11 05:56:16 <vikas> openmoko/flash.sh: line 117: 30846 Terminated              ( sleep $2; kill $pid; sleep 1; kill -KILL $pid )  (wd: /media/disk/backup/moko/build/qemu)
Dec 11 05:56:19 <vikas> Please wait, programming the NAND flash...
Dec 11 05:56:22 <vikas> neo_gsm_switch: GSM disabled.
Dec 11 05:56:25 <vikas> U-Boot 1.3.0-rc11.2.0+gitf34024d4a328e6edd906456da98d2c537155c4f7+svn2943 (Dec 11 2007 - 09:21:05)
Dec 11 05:56:29 <vikas> DRAM:  128 MB
Dec 11 05:56:32 <vikas> NAND:  64 MiB
Dec 11 05:56:35 <vikas> Found Environment offset in OOB..
Dec 11 05:56:38 <vikas> Video: 640x480x8 31kHz 59Hz
Dec 11 05:56:47 <vikas> apparently, in gnome, if i copy from firefox, it doesn't overwrite the copy buffer while pasting to terminasl
Dec 11 06:10:01 <daMaestro> anyone seen ScaredyCat in a while?
Dec 11 06:10:18 <CM> ~seen ScaredyCat 
Dec 11 06:10:19 <daMaestro> also, anyone using his repo? it's now enabled http://www.angstrom-distribution.org as a source
Dec 11 06:10:20 <apt> scaredycat is currently on #openmoko (1d 17h 28m 27s), last said: 'yes, well'.
Dec 11 06:10:30 <daMaestro> hmm.. i must just keep missing him
Dec 11 06:10:40 <CM> What about that?
Dec 11 06:10:51 <CM> I mean using the angstrom dist?
Dec 11 06:11:29 <daMaestro> CM http://dpaste.com/27634/
Dec 11 06:12:12 <CM> Hmm.. I guess he just have them in there too, besides his feeds
Dec 11 06:12:22 <CM> There's a lot more packages there
Dec 11 06:12:45 <CM> Angstrom basically builds all packages in oe
Dec 11 06:12:52 <CM> At least it looks that way to me :)
Dec 11 06:12:55 <daMaestro> so, it supplemental to "openmoko"?
Dec 11 06:13:09 <CM> OpenMoko is a derivative of Angstrom
Dec 11 06:13:37 <daMaestro> ah
Dec 11 06:13:42 <xcasex> hey CM any idea if i can just pop the angstrom feeds into my nslu2 as well?
Dec 11 06:13:43 <CM> So everything compiled for armv4t in angstrom works in openmoko 
Dec 11 06:13:55 <CM> xcasex: Hmm.. Ask rwhitby 
Dec 11 06:13:58 <CM> Not sure :)
Dec 11 06:13:59 <daMaestro> so, i'm not to be concerned with the current update/upgrade path?
Dec 11 06:14:04 <xcasex> rwhitby: ping
Dec 11 06:14:07 <CM> daMaestro: Nope
Dec 11 06:14:10 <daMaestro> cool
Dec 11 06:14:15 <CM> :)
Dec 11 06:14:16 <daMaestro> i'
Dec 11 06:14:43 <daMaestro> i'll more then likely flash back to official open moko images, but ScaredyCat seems to be on top of bringing builds public
Dec 11 06:14:45 <CM> Koen has been trying to tell people to look in the Angstrom feed for packages that doesn't come by default in OpenMoko
Dec 11 06:55:18 <fatman999> hello, i am fat man and i weigh 400 pounds!  you can see video of my supreme fatness at fat-man.bravehost.com
Dec 11 06:55:34 <Fatal> good for you
Dec 11 06:55:37 <Fatal> here, have a yoghurt
Dec 11 06:58:11 <cheezoo> any idea what this error means ? ERROR: No providers of build target uboot-openmoko (for [])
Dec 11 06:59:07 <CM> cheezoo: I do :)
Dec 11 06:59:13 <cheezoo> hello CM
Dec 11 06:59:45 <CM> It just mean there's nothing that provides a u-boot build...
Dec 11 06:59:56 <mbuf> cheezoo, how are you building?
Dec 11 06:59:59 <CM> Have you changed your config any?
Dec 11 07:00:04 <cheezoo> no not really
Dec 11 07:00:14 <cheezoo> i am just doing a make qemu-loal
Dec 11 07:00:20 <cheezoo> s/laol/local/
Dec 11 07:00:48 <cheezoo> i added -j4 in the local.cf file
Dec 11 07:00:54 <cheezoo> but shouldn't matter
Dec 11 07:01:22 <CM> I'll try a build and see what I get
Dec 11 07:04:32 <cheezoo> CM : i did this btw rm -f openembedded/packages/uboot/uboot-openmoko_svn.bb
Dec 11 07:04:43 <cheezoo> it was some sort of error
Dec 11 07:05:15 <CM> Oh, ok. Hmm.. It did build for me
Dec 11 07:06:44 <CM> You can easily get problems if you poke around too much int he monotone repo. 
Dec 11 07:07:28 <CM> Heh, flashing the qemu-local image failed for me
Dec 11 07:08:46 <cheezoo> hmm
Dec 11 07:10:57 <CM> It worked maybe two weeks ago for me
Dec 11 07:11:03 <CM> Not sure what's changed since
Dec 11 07:32:56 <blindcoder> moin
Dec 11 07:45:24 <xcasex> oh what the hell
Dec 11 07:45:30 <xcasex> still cant connect to the monotone server.
Dec 11 07:46:28 <mbuf> xcasex, monotone.openembedded.org?
Dec 11 07:47:23 <CM> mbuf: I guess he's runninga against the monotone.openmoko.org
Dec 11 07:47:24 <xcasex> mbuf: yeah
Dec 11 07:47:35 <mbuf> ok
Dec 11 07:47:38 <CM> xcasex: I ust synced against the oe one
Dec 11 07:47:41 <CM> just
Dec 11 07:47:52 <xcasex> CM: how would i do that? :)
Dec 11 07:47:59 <xcasex> aside from manually editing the makefile
Dec 11 07:47:59 <CM> Using the makefile?
Dec 11 07:48:00 <xcasex> ?
Dec 11 07:48:37 <CM> I'm usually running: make update-makefile;make setup update-bleeding-edge;make all
Dec 11 07:48:53 <CM> But instead of that last make all you can make openmoko-devel-image
Dec 11 07:48:54 <xcasex> which is exactly what i'm trying to run ;_;
Dec 11 07:49:06 <CM> Behind a firewall?
Dec 11 07:49:47 <xcasex> yup
Dec 11 07:49:56 <xcasex> great company firewall of socialism ;_;
Dec 11 07:50:03 <CM> Hehe
Dec 11 07:50:34 <xcasex> what ports does monotone operate on?
Dec 11 07:50:35 <xcasex> 80?
Dec 11 07:50:53 <CM> Don't know, mtn just sucks all around ;)
Dec 11 07:50:59 <xcasex> haha ;D
Dec 11 07:51:13 <mbuf> CM, ipkg is no different?
Dec 11 07:51:36 <CM> mbuf: Ipkg is a simpler version of dpkg
Dec 11 07:51:44 <mbuf> CM, ok
Dec 11 07:51:45 <CM> It just sucks a bit ;)
Dec 11 07:53:46 <CM> xcasex: Seems like the default port for monotone is 4691..
Dec 11 07:53:54 <xcasex> what the cuntery
Dec 11 07:59:41 <Batalyx> b
Dec 11 08:49:38 <readon> is there any idea to boot faster?
Dec 11 08:57:03 <SpeedEvil> In the far term, it's not relevant, as it'll be resuming from suspend, not booting.
Dec 11 08:59:01 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1117 has been created by sean_chiang(AT)openmoko.com
Dec 11 08:59:02 <cdbot2> * * Call forwading support
Dec 11 08:59:03 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1117
Dec 11 09:01:01 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1118 has been created by sean_chiang(AT)openmoko.com
Dec 11 09:01:02 <cdbot2> * * multi-party conversation(conference call) support
Dec 11 09:01:03 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1118
Dec 11 09:19:12 <Mek> hmm... I'm cross-compiling some library for the neo, and I get lots of "cast increases required alignment of target type" warnings. Should I be worried about that? :)
Dec 11 09:23:41 <daMaestro> can i memo with apt?
Dec 11 09:24:32 * hhf423 yawns
Dec 11 09:25:05 <daMaestro> meh, i just used memoserv
Dec 11 09:38:34 <xkr47> we have four gopis!
Dec 11 09:38:51 <SpeedEvil> RAIG
Dec 11 09:38:58 <xkr47> ,)
Dec 11 09:55:45 * ScaredyCat appears from a daze
Dec 11 10:06:27 <Hopscotch> good morning
Dec 11 10:33:29 <josch> who is jan lübbe?
Dec 11 10:35:26 <CM> josch: Shoragan I think
Dec 11 10:35:48 <josch> CM, he is Shoragan ??? wow :-D
Dec 11 10:35:59 <Shoragan> hm?
Dec 11 10:36:16 <josch> Shoragan, ah no
Dec 11 10:36:23 <josch> you are stefan schmidt aren't you?
Dec 11 10:36:40 <Shoragan> no... stefan uses stefan_schmidt as his nickname
Dec 11 10:36:53 <josch> do you know who ja lübbe is?
Dec 11 10:37:00 <Shoragan> i am :)
Dec 11 10:37:08 <josch> ha!
Dec 11 10:37:12 <josch> suprise :-D
Dec 11 10:37:29 <josch> Shoragan, okay I posted here: http://sicherheitsschwankung.de/post/jan/2007-08-26/debian-neo1973
Dec 11 10:37:45 <Shoragan> i read your comment, thanks :)
Dec 11 10:37:45 <josch> and I have a question: how did you create the rootfs?
Dec 11 10:38:29 <Shoragan> first i used a prepared rootfs made by the debian-armel project and then used debootstap to build my rootfs
Dec 11 10:39:05 <josch> ah okay I downloaded this armel-sid-chroot tarball but it's much bigger than yours
Dec 11 10:39:52 <gi-el> size doesn't matter
Dec 11 10:40:02 <Shoragan> i think they included the .debs by mistake
Dec 11 10:40:13 <josch> Shoragan, what did you change on this chroot?
Dec 11 10:40:43 <Shoragan> it is a clean debian installation
Dec 11 10:41:11 <Shoragan> just what debootstrap will produce
Dec 11 10:41:27 <josch> ah okay
Dec 11 10:41:50 <josch> having a fully working debian on the neo - this is so great :-D
Dec 11 10:42:02 <Shoragan> you can customize it easily, so i didn't install any additional packages
Dec 11 10:42:43 <josch> the debian eabi port is not official - where can I report packages bugs?
Dec 11 10:43:54 <Shoragan> please try to reproduce the bugs on an official architecture first, if so, just report them to the normal bugtracing system
Dec 11 10:44:33 <josch> they are just some dependency things - I was not able to reproduce them in x86
Dec 11 10:46:16 <Shoragan> if they are obvious, just report them as usual
Dec 11 10:46:38 <Shoragan> or you could join #debian-arm on oftc
Dec 11 11:20:06 * hhf423 thinks the weather stinks
Dec 11 11:20:26 * hhf423 believes that it has now rained for a month or so
Dec 11 11:21:01 <ahven> yup
Dec 11 11:21:02 * hhf423 can't remember what sunshine is, but now has 50 words for rain
Dec 11 11:21:05 <ahven> "winter" :)
Dec 11 11:21:21 <hhf423> rain which falls thick
Dec 11 11:21:28 <hhf423> rain which falls thin
Dec 11 11:21:46 <hhf423> rain which comes sideways because of the wind
Dec 11 11:22:01 <hhf423> rain which is cold
Dec 11 11:22:07 <hhf423> rain which is very cold
Dec 11 11:22:31 <hhf423> rain which you can or can not see the neighbours house
Dec 11 11:22:41 <hhf423> through wich
Dec 11 11:23:04 <hhf423> rain which creates a little melody falling on the roof
Dec 11 11:23:21 <hhf423> rain which just creates noise
Dec 11 11:23:30 <hhf423> angry rain
Dec 11 11:23:34 <hhf423> bored rain
Dec 11 11:24:16 <hhf423> I believe at the moment I have type II dripping, no melody, bored class III rain coming against my window
Dec 11 11:24:21 <SpeedEvil>  np: The Weathergirls - It's raining men.
Dec 11 11:24:51 <hhf423> I am not interested :-)
Dec 11 11:25:11 <josch> is there a bluetooth keyboard with laptop layout - so without the numbers block but with the F keys?
Dec 11 11:26:06 <hhf423> josch: I have not seen one with the F key
Dec 11 11:26:28 <josch> the F keys are important since they allow switching between ttys
Dec 11 11:26:30 <hhf423> josch: but there are bt keyboard without number block
Dec 11 11:26:57 <SpeedEvil> josch: no reason you can't bind that to alt-num
Dec 11 11:27:16 <josch> :-/
Dec 11 11:27:31 * hhf423 sights. The youth today needs F keys to switch ttys...
Dec 11 11:27:49 <SpeedEvil> Or screen.
Dec 11 11:28:27 <josch> hhf423, what do you do to switch ttys?
Dec 11 11:29:33 <josch> maybe screen is the way to go then
Dec 11 11:30:09 <hhf423> thats what X was invented for: be able to open lots of ttys
Dec 11 11:30:51 <hhf423> nah, I use ALT-F1/F2/F3
Dec 11 11:32:35 <bedboi> what happens if the $GPGSA line does not switch from A,1 to A,3 ?
Dec 11 11:33:00 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1119 has been created by cayco(AT)cayco.pl
Dec 11 11:33:01 <cdbot2> * * Contacts with Evolution addressbook.db does not start
Dec 11 11:33:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1119
Dec 11 11:33:03 <SpeedEvil> bedboi: Run very fast, the GPS will explode in 14.3 seconds.
Dec 11 11:33:11 <bedboi> lol
Dec 11 11:33:26 <bedboi> SpeedEvil: i meant what's the approx time to get a stable signal?
Dec 11 11:33:48 <bedboi> i'm not in the nowhere, i'm in paris, center
Dec 11 11:34:31 <Mek> I guess with lots of tall buildings around you it will take longer?
Dec 11 11:34:41 <josch> bedboi, actually gps should better work in nowhere because in bug cities there are scyscrapers to block the gps signal
Dec 11 11:37:57 <bedboi> is there any gui for gllin even at very alpha stage
Dec 11 11:38:08 <SpeedEvil> bedboi: there is xgps and stuff
Dec 11 11:38:24 <Estorbo> hey
Dec 11 11:38:27 <viq> March? Wow, that's some delay.
Dec 11 11:38:33 <bedboi> SpeedEvil: thank's man
Dec 11 11:38:34 <xzcvczx> doesnt agpsui work?
Dec 11 11:38:44 <SpeedEvil> xzcvczx: dunno - not used
Dec 11 11:38:56 <Romney> I want to castrate a niggger and fry his balls before eating them.  Then I can fuccck my little niggger biitch faaagg every night. ....Pumpin my dildo til he bleeds.  Niggger eunuchs for my muff   ohhh yeahh
Dec 11 11:38:57 <josch> xzcvczx, it worked for me
Dec 11 11:39:01 <Romney> I want to castrate a niggger and fry his balls before eating them.  Then I can fuccck my little niggger biitch faaagg every night. ....Pumpin my dildo til he bleeds.  Niggger eunuchs for my muff   ohhh yeahh
Dec 11 11:39:31 <Morningsickness> I want to castrate a niggger and fry his balls before eating them.  Then I can fuccck my little niggger biitch faaagg every night. ....Pumpin my dildo til he bleeds.  Niggger eunuchs for my muff   ohhh yeahh
Dec 11 11:40:57 <bedboi> oh my god
Dec 11 11:41:54 <SpeedEvil> I know. March :(
Dec 11 11:42:30 <rwhitby> xcasex: SYN|ACK
Dec 11 11:42:31 <josch> who said march?
Dec 11 11:42:33 <viq> And, er, what known problems remain in the March edition?
Dec 11 11:42:42 <SpeedEvil> No bluetooth wake
Dec 11 11:42:54 <SpeedEvil> triband not quadband
Dec 11 11:43:25 <SpeedEvil> I _think_ that's it.
Dec 11 11:43:29 <viq> Which bands would those be? (or: who's not supported?)
Dec 11 11:43:31 * CoreDump still believes this large channel needs more mods...
Dec 11 11:43:44 * CM agrees with CoreDump 
Dec 11 11:43:47 <SpeedEvil> viq: 850MHz is now not supported.
Dec 11 11:43:56 <SpeedEvil> viq: which means large chunks of the USA mainly.
Dec 11 11:44:04 * CoreDump pokes mickey|zzZZzz 
Dec 11 11:44:06 <viq> OK. Doesn't affect me much then ;)
Dec 11 11:44:13 <ahven> me neither
Dec 11 11:44:22 <SpeedEvil> viq: there will probably be a triband version of GTA02 with 850Mhz, and one without,.
Dec 11 11:44:42 <viq> And any news on announcement of other models FIC is working on?
Dec 11 11:48:41 <viq> I guess that's a "no". Thanks for the info.
Dec 11 11:55:17 <hhf423> we do not need other models, we just need this one :-)
Dec 11 12:00:58 <josch> how does openmoko enable root login without password - even without /etc/shadow?
Dec 11 12:01:44 <CoreDump> empty p/w entry in /etc/passwd
Dec 11 12:02:28 <xkr47> heh even the man page does not explain that
Dec 11 12:03:14 <josch> so just root:: ?
Dec 11 12:03:18 <xkr47> y
Dec 11 12:04:22 <Mek> hmm.. does somebody know if a java runtime-environment is available that runs on openmoko/the neo?
Dec 11 12:09:41 <mbuf> Mek, jalimo?
Dec 11 12:10:03 <metzenas> Mek, on december 5th there was something about java: http://planet.openmoko.org/
Dec 11 12:10:22 <Mek> ah, I see.. nice...
Dec 11 12:10:51 <mbuf> Mek, https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Main_Page
Dec 11 12:22:35 <xcasex> rwhitby: problem is the great firewall of chi^H my work, not anything on your end :D
Dec 11 12:23:05 <rwhitby> ok
Dec 11 12:23:39 <rwhitby> xcasex: Re: your NSLU2, we have an angstrom feed for the nslu2 on ipkg.nslu2-linux.org
Dec 11 12:31:19 <dbmoodb> just a quick q- what kind of output are we to expect from the neo1973 - db ?
Dec 11 12:31:52 <xcasex> rwhitby: awesome! :)
Dec 11 12:32:18 <dbmoodb> ?
Dec 11 12:33:53 <dbmoodb> no one knows atm ?
Dec 11 12:43:29 <Mek> hmm... java on the neo is quite slow... :)
Dec 11 12:43:40 <dbmoodb> really ?
Dec 11 12:43:58 <Mek> well... a swing gui application at least is :)
Dec 11 12:45:00 <dbmoodb> -anyone got an answer to my q ?
Dec 11 12:55:03 * ScaredyCat snarls at kysoh.com
Dec 11 13:24:33 <CM> ~emulate rwhitby 
Dec 11 13:24:34 <apt> Well, my work here is done.
Dec 11 13:24:52 <CM> Oh, new one :)
Dec 11 13:25:06 <zash> ~emulate apt
Dec 11 13:25:34 * rwhitby notes that his work here is done, and goes to bed.
Dec 11 13:25:40 <CM> night :)
Dec 11 13:25:43 <zash> nn then
Dec 11 13:25:50 <CM> ~emulate XorA
Dec 11 13:26:32 <zash> ~fish brodband-router
Dec 11 13:26:33 * apt slaps brodband-router around with a large trout
Dec 11 13:27:00 * zash yells "give me my server back"
Dec 11 13:43:51 * hhf423 eats hot soup
Dec 11 13:44:20 * hhf423 notes category IIa boring rain outside
Dec 11 13:44:51 <zash> so it has reached you now
Dec 11 13:45:29 <hhf423> zash: the type IIa? Yes. We had rain for an eternity now, though
Dec 11 13:45:39 <zash> here we got class 4 depressing darkness now
Dec 11 13:45:57 <hhf423> uh, I hate that one
Dec 11 13:46:15 <hhf423> it gets to you, the grade 4 darkness
Dec 11 13:46:32 <hhf423> its the false gimmer of hope, I think
Dec 11 13:47:08 * hhf423 hangs up on amex
Dec 11 13:47:38 <hhf423> its not their problem, its "a server" problem
Dec 11 13:48:36 <zash> orly
Dec 11 13:48:37 * hhf423 ruines the call statistics of a call center agent every month
Dec 11 13:49:31 <hhf423> I wonder if they have a "problem not solved, customer too polite to get angry" category?
Dec 11 14:14:58 <mbuf> is there a way to know how much of "make openmoko-devel-image" is left to be completed?
Dec 11 14:15:21 <Stephmw> now > lots > completed
Dec 11 14:15:29 <Stephmw> I don't think it runs an estimate
Dec 11 14:15:31 <cheezoo> mbuf: it says xxxx of 4000 tasks completed
Dec 11 14:15:53 <mbuf> cheezoo, ok
Dec 11 14:17:31 <mbuf> cheezoo, i remember the old days of gentoo, where the last few packages took more hours than the first few :)
Dec 11 14:29:00 <Witch> I have a newbie question. I'm trying to use the MokoMakeFile to setup a dev environment on Ubuntu under Vitual PC. I apt-get'ed everyhing I need (I think!), got the MokoMakeFile and ran 'make setup'.  It complains with:
Dec 11 14:29:02 <Witch> svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svnroot/repos/bitbake/tags/bitbake-1.8.8'
Dec 11 14:29:04 <Witch> svn: PROPFIND of '/svnroot/repos/bitbake/tags/bitbake-1.8.8': 400 Bad Request (http://svn.berlios.de)                                                           
Dec 11 14:29:05 <Witch> make: *** [setup-bitbake] Error 1
Dec 11 14:29:07 <Witch> Any ideas? Is the svn server down?
Dec 11 14:29:22 <Stephmw> it hiccups occasionally
Dec 11 14:29:50 <jmichel_> Witch: I had the same problem when I was behind a proxy
Dec 11 14:30:13 <jmichel_> Witch: subversion must be configure ti use the proxy
Dec 11 14:30:30 <jmichel_> Witch: is it your case ?
Dec 11 14:30:48 <Witch> I don't have a proxy. At least, not that I know of... perhaps Virtual PC acts like a proxy in this case?
Dec 11 14:32:37 <jmichel_> Witch: From what I know this error is thrown whenever svn cannot reach the remote server
Dec 11 14:33:06 <jmichel_> Witch: Maybe you could try a svn server from another project that you know it works
Dec 11 14:33:26 <Witch> jmichel_: I don't know of any others...
Dec 11 14:33:43 <Witch> jmichel: First, let me 'links' to the svn directory to see if I can get there...
Dec 11 14:36:29 <zecke> alp: hi here as well :)
Dec 11 14:36:41 <alp> zecke: yo!
Dec 11 14:37:00 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: What was gismo's nick again? Do you know what happened to buildhost-old?
Dec 11 14:37:07 <alp> zecke: did the feed reader and stuff get updated after the gtk+ API change?
Dec 11 14:37:20 <bedboi> is there any sdk available, i don't have enough room on my HD to use openembedded for now
Dec 11 14:37:29 <bedboi> s/,/?
Dec 11 14:37:50 <jmichel_> Witch: you can try "svn co http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/dfu-util/" just to check if svn is working on your Virtual PC
Dec 11 14:38:30 <Witch> jmichel_: Checked out revision 3629.
Dec 11 14:38:40 <Witch> So, that works. Probably hickups then.
Dec 11 14:39:13 <jmichel_> Witch: probably
Dec 11 14:39:36 <Witch> jmichel_: I'll just wait for another few hours, then... thanks so far!
Dec 11 14:56:26 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: Gismo_C, but the seems to be offline
Dec 11 14:56:44 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: Normally mail or bugtracker is better to catch him
Dec 11 14:57:20 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: last shortcut, have you heard that buildhost-old has been disabled or such?
Dec 11 14:57:39 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: Sorry, no idea
Dec 11 14:57:47 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: Perhaps mickeyl knows?
Dec 11 15:16:05 <roh> zecke still there?
Dec 11 15:17:53 <Gismo_C_> re
Dec 11 15:18:01 <Gismo_C_> ha found one? - who asked about buildhost-old?
Dec 11 15:18:30 <josch> Gismo_C_, zecke did
Dec 11 15:19:32 <Gismo_C_> zecke: what is done on buildhost-old at the moment? 
Dec 11 15:19:47 <zecke> Gismo_C_: it runs a buildbot for the webkit project
Dec 11 15:19:55 <zecke> (and a broken OE autobuilder)
Dec 11 15:20:53 <Gismo_C_> zecke: oh ok, so its still in use?
Dec 11 15:21:16 <Gismo_C_> zecke: can we rename it to something more apropriate?
Dec 11 15:21:42 <zecke> Gismo_C_: sure, the buildbot is quite important for WebKit/Gtk+ and it would be a nice contribution
Dec 11 15:23:40 <Gismo_C_> zecke: ok sorry for the shutdown, its up again
Dec 11 15:23:58 <mickeyl> i suggest coordinating the autobuilder work with John and XorA
Dec 11 15:24:24 <mickeyl> these two are mainly responsible for maintaning the build infrastructure
Dec 11 15:24:36 <alp> Gismo_C_: thanks! the build bot is what keeps the gtk+ WebKit port building :-)
Dec 11 15:24:53 <zecke> Gismo_C_: the buildbot was a known secret. Is there anything me/alp can do to help you?
Dec 11 15:25:27 <Gismo_C_> well, just a little clutter here... 
Dec 11 15:25:35 <Gismo_C_> buldhost died last night finally, totaly
Dec 11 15:25:42 <Gismo_C_> buildhost-migration is now in place
Dec 11 15:25:50 <mickeyl> RIP, buildhost.
Dec 11 15:25:51 <Gismo_C_> and I wonderd about buildhost-old
Dec 11 15:26:52 <starox_> bien fait
Dec 11 15:27:24 <sim> bien fait
Dec 11 15:28:30 <NineX> damn
Dec 11 15:35:59 <Gismo_C_> zecke: I want to rename buildhost-old (is system name is still buildhost) . suggestion: buildhost-webkit
Dec 11 15:36:05 <Gismo_C_> zecke: is that ok for you?
Dec 11 15:36:58 <zecke> sure
Dec 11 15:38:48 <zecke> Gismo_C_: thanks!
Dec 11 16:11:53 <CIA-23> openmoko: 03john_lee * r3630 10/developers/john_lee/toolkit/bin/om-conf: 
Dec 11 16:11:53 <CIA-23> openmoko: Pass om-conf options to configure. For example:
Dec 11 16:11:53 <CIA-23> openmoko: om-conf openmoko-sample2 --prefix=/usr/local/openmoko
Dec 11 16:18:45 <Field> Hi. I have a little question on "Nand erase" my moko .. anybody with some experience inside here? .. It seems my gentoo-host-pc does not create a ttyACM0 device (minicom could not connect to the moko). Help would be very welcome.
Dec 11 16:19:13 <CM> Field: Do you have CDC enabled in your kernel?
Dec 11 16:19:44 <CM> And be careful with "nand erase", always give it a third argument (kernel/rootfs)
Dec 11 16:19:49 <Field> I'll check this .. one sec
Dec 11 16:20:24 <Field> yes .. i've read this with the "kernel/rootfs" .. I can call a debug-board my own ..=)
Dec 11 16:20:53 <CM> Heh, I've just gotten my hands on a debugboard but haven't been able to get it working yet
Dec 11 16:21:42 <CM> Field: In make menuconfig, look for Drivers -> USB support -> USB Modem (CDC ACM) support)
Dec 11 16:22:46 <Field> y - thats what I am actually doing .. could take a while .. one sec.
Dec 11 16:23:11 <CM> Field: You can also hang out in #neo1973-german if you want :)
Dec 11 16:23:32 <Field> ty
Dec 11 16:23:44 <Field> =),, next time
Dec 11 16:25:20 <Field> ok .. there is the mistake .. cdc is not enabled ... I'm going to enable this and take another try .. thank you for help..
Dec 11 16:25:30 <CM> You're welcome :)
Dec 11 17:05:09 <magellan> I'm trying to autogen openmoko-libs but get and error.     error: No package 'libgsmd' found     I have already installed libgsmd from the svn and it is registered with phg-config. Has anyone seen this or have an idea how to get autogen to see the libgsmd? 
Dec 11 17:08:08 <mickey|lunch> PKG_CONFIG_PATH?
Dec 11 17:10:54 <koper> hi all
Dec 11 17:13:45 <koper> i'm german and i wanted to know when I cann buy the openkoko phone.. i didn't found any information on the website only the developer preview.. I've read that it will be selled in mid December is that right why can't I get information on that :/ can you help me?
Dec 11 17:14:10 <magellan> I don't see anything in PKG_CONFIG_PATH
Dec 11 17:14:14 <CM> koper: Hello
Dec 11 17:14:16 <[AE][HDF]sudd1> pls klick! ---> http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?refid=8915041
Dec 11 17:14:25 <CM> koper: It's been delayed, unfortunately
Dec 11 17:14:28 <cjb_ie> koper: it's still in development
Dec 11 17:14:32 <CM> koper: Take a look at /topic
Dec 11 17:14:34 <abraxa_> magellan: He meant for you to set it
Dec 11 17:14:39 <magellan> what should I set PKG_CONFIG_PATH
Dec 11 17:15:04 <abraxa_> magellan: Depends on where you built libgsmd to
Dec 11 17:15:07 <jmichel_> koper: from the wiki the target is now March 2008
Dec 11 17:15:18 <koper> jmichel_: ah ok all right..
Dec 11 17:15:19 <cb23> [AE][HDF]sudd1, drop the l and that is what i'd do if i could
Dec 11 17:15:27 <koper> thx
Dec 11 17:15:45 <magellan> shouldn't make install put it in the proper place reguardless
Dec 11 17:15:46 <magellan> ?
Dec 11 17:15:52 <cjb_ie> cb23: surely it was a bot anyway
Dec 11 17:16:14 <josch> koper, if you want to be one of the first to group order the neo to germany then just join #neo1973-germany
Dec 11 17:16:19 <cb23> cjb_ie, indeed, but its irritating when they cant spell right =)
Dec 11 17:16:20 <CM> I guess there's more and more bots here since there's so many people in the channel
Dec 11 17:16:27 * cb23 is a bot
Dec 11 17:16:36 * cjb_ie is a bot too!
Dec 11 17:16:40 <CM> cb23: botsnack
Dec 11 17:16:41 <CM> ;)
Dec 11 17:16:43 <abraxa_> magellan: Yes but pkg-config only looks in /usr/lib/pkgconfig/ by default so if you installed libgsmd somewhere else (e.g. using configure --prefix=...) then you need to tell it where to look
Dec 11 17:17:04 <cjb_ie> CM: aww, no botsnack for me
Dec 11 17:17:18 <CM> ~beer cjb_ie 
Dec 11 17:17:19 * apt deftly decants a fine Yuengling Lager for cjb_ie
Dec 11 17:17:40 <abraxa_> Yuengling Lager o_o;
Dec 11 17:17:41 <Field> CM: ok -- with cdc-support I am able to connect to U-Boot .. now I have another problem: If I try to flash my own kernel (dfu-util -a kernel -R -D ./image.boot), U-Boot says "End of write exceeds partition end". .. Is there any way to redefine size of partitions ?
Dec 11 17:17:49 <cjb_ie> Yuengling? is that what the openmoko hw devs drink?
Dec 11 17:18:05 <CM> Field: Oh, that doesn't sound good
Dec 11 17:18:19 <CM> Field: What kind of kernel are you flashing there?
Dec 11 17:18:29 <CM> Field: And how old is your u-boot?
Dec 11 17:18:48 <Field> anyone with experience running L4Linux/Fiasco or okl4 on openMoko? ... u-Boot is 1.3.01.3.0
Dec 11 17:18:51 <cjb_ie> :q
Dec 11 17:18:57 <cjb_ie> oops
Dec 11 17:19:52 <magellan> abraxe: crap, make install puts it in /usr/local/pkgconfig
Dec 11 17:19:53 <abraxa_> Field: You could use dynpart to re-partition the NAND from within u-boot but rebooting right now might not be a smart thing to do
Dec 11 17:19:59 <Field> problem with fiasco is - actually there are no UART, timer and lcd driver implemented ... which is already done in okl4
Dec 11 17:20:17 <abraxa_> magellan: Try setting PGK_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/local/pkgconfig then
Dec 11 17:20:22 <abraxa_> PKG*
Dec 11 17:21:40 <magellan> trying
Dec 11 17:22:38 <Field> abraxa_: ok, I'll check this. ty
Dec 11 17:22:57 <abraxa_> Field: Do you have a debug board?
Dec 11 17:23:07 <Field> yes .. but never used it before
Dec 11 17:23:07 <cayco> hi guys! I have problem with openmoko-contacts - if contact has more than one telephone no. i cannot call him - i click on contact, then click left top icon (dial?), a dialog apears: "Please choose a number t" and i do not know how to choose one
Dec 11 17:23:28 <cayco> dialog seems to hang (not responding), it quits after a while
Dec 11 17:23:33 <abraxa_> Field: Ahh, good. Then you got a safety net. If you had not had one then you would need to be *very* careful with what you do
Dec 11 17:23:39 <cayco> anyone expects smth like that?
Dec 11 17:23:42 <Field> today it's the first time I try to run my kernel on the device and not anymore inside qemu
Dec 11 17:24:16 <abraxa_> cayco: Can you please check bugzilla for such a bug and if it's not there (I don't think it is), file it please
Dec 11 17:24:29 <cayco> i'm using newest 2007.11
Dec 11 17:24:52 <cayco> is it a bug or just it hasn't been done before?
Dec 11 17:25:01 <cayco> i've never used contacts app before..
Dec 11 17:25:03 <Field> abraxa_ : but the curious thing is - inside qemu, okl4 works very well... I think there is some work to be done .. 
Dec 11 17:25:25 <CM> cayco: I think you've tried someting no one else have tried before :)
Dec 11 17:25:37 <cayco> oh
Dec 11 17:25:42 <cayco> i will fill the bug, thx
Dec 11 17:25:48 <CM> Thank you :)
Dec 11 17:25:56 <cayco> why is it always me? ;)
Dec 11 17:26:03 <cayco> keep up the good work!
Dec 11 17:26:06 <CM> Curious nature maybe? ;)
Dec 11 17:26:12 <abraxa_> Field: okl4?
Dec 11 17:27:08 <abraxa_> magellan: Any success?
Dec 11 17:27:43 <Field> abraxa_: okl4 and fiasco are microkernels - somekind of virtualisation of everything above the kernel
Dec 11 17:28:03 <magellan> didn't work but Im trying to put it in /usr/lib
Dec 11 17:29:01 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1120 has been created by cayco(AT)cayco.pl
Dec 11 17:29:02 <cdbot2> * * Choosing number from multiple phone numbers does not work
Dec 11 17:29:03 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1120
Dec 11 17:29:24 <CM> abraxa_: Open Kernel Lab's L4 implementation
Dec 11 17:29:46 <Field> CM: exactly
Dec 11 17:36:00 <cdbot2> * * OM Bug 1121 has been created by cayco(AT)cayco.pl
Dec 11 17:36:01 <cdbot2> * * Editing contact data is impossible
Dec 11 17:36:02 <cdbot2> * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1121
Dec 11 17:37:19 <magellan> abraxa: OK I moved all the files over to /usr/lib and can run autogen.sh
Dec 11 17:51:57 <Hadaka> hmh, just tried a recent snapshot of qtopia on my GTA01 - receives and dials calls fine, same for text messages
Dec 11 17:52:25 <Hadaka> nastily sluggish and slow on many occasions though, and several apps crash when playing around with them for a bit
Dec 11 17:53:27 <Hadaka> also, I hate the fact, that answering calls, disconnecting calls, etc. seem to have a couple seconds of latency, atleast on the first time around
Dec 11 17:54:50 <Hadaka> but, anyhow, is there anything that could make the battery in GTA01 last several days (>2) with the GSM on?
Dec 11 17:56:55 <affen> not at the moment
Dec 11 17:57:01 <affen> no power management
Dec 11 17:57:51 <Hadaka> ahven: there seems to be some talk about a qtopia guy getting suspend working on the qtopia image - would that work as power management enough?
Dec 11 17:58:23 <ahven> Hadaka: perhaps, but I'm waiting for openmoko though :)
Dec 11 18:11:26 <mickeyl> > 2 days - I'm afraid that's impossible w/ the hardware
Dec 11 18:12:57 <pike_> what march now... 
Dec 11 18:13:00 * pike_ grumbles
Dec 11 18:13:09 * cb23 joins pike_ in grumbling
Dec 11 18:14:40 <metzenas> mickeyl, is the gsm-chip the problem or is rest of the hardware just too powerhungry even on standby?
Dec 11 18:15:34 <mickeyl> both
Dec 11 18:15:40 <mickeyl> gsm has a relatively high consumption
Dec 11 18:15:48 <mickeyl> and you want to wake up on gsm, don't you? :)
Dec 11 18:16:30 <metzenas> that might be nice :)
Dec 11 18:16:37 <viq> Naaah, have them leave me a message, I will call them back when I feel like turning my phone back on ;P
Dec 11 18:16:39 <mickeyl> and the SoC is limited 
Dec 11 18:17:57 <metzenas> my voicemail just tells people to call during the first 10min of every hour because i need to conserve power :D
Dec 11 18:17:59 <mickeyl> then again, let see. PM surely is mission critical for FIC.
Dec 11 18:19:28 <mickeyl> maybe its just not yet turning everything possible off on suspend
Dec 11 18:20:27 <Vegar> doesn't the GSM chip have a power saving mode?
Dec 11 18:21:04 <metzenas> for me it's not a really big deal if the battery doesn't last very long. i just want to be free, but it would be great to see neos selling more than expected
Dec 11 18:21:32 <metzenas> who knows since its behind nda :)
Dec 11 18:21:48 <mickeyl> yes, gsm has a deep-sleep mode
Dec 11 18:21:54 <mickeyl> which is unfortunately not yet deployed
Dec 11 18:22:04 <mickeyl> it's in newer firmwares
Dec 11 18:22:08 <torpor> yo
Dec 11 18:22:18 <mickeyl> which firmware is out in the wild?
Dec 11 18:22:20 <mickeyl> moko3 ?
Dec 11 18:23:29 <SpeedEvil> how do we tell?
Dec 11 18:23:37 <mickeyl> AT+CGMR
Dec 11 18:23:38 <mickeyl> iirc
Dec 11 18:23:44 <metzenas> so maybe 2 days isn't that far anyway?
Dec 11 18:23:57 <mickeyl> 2 days is _very_ long
Dec 11 18:24:03 <metzenas> ok
Dec 11 18:24:16 <mickeyl> i think max i heard was 26 hours
Dec 11 18:24:33 <mickeyl> without gsm deep sleep and without possible more optimizations
Dec 11 18:24:44 <mickeyl> so... maybe we can hit 30
Dec 11 18:25:00 <mickeyl> i would be very surprised if we can hit 40
Dec 11 18:25:04 <mickeyl> positively, though ;)
Dec 11 18:25:41 <SpeedEvil> I can't talk to the modem, as 'cu' isn't in the most recent build...
Dec 11 18:25:52 <mickeyl> libgsmd-tool -m atcmd
Dec 11 18:26:00 <SpeedEvil> I tried that
Dec 11 18:26:10 <Vegar> are you saying 40 hours is the absolute maximum?
Dec 11 18:26:11 <SpeedEvil> It seemed to give interpreted responses somehow
Dec 11 18:26:18 <SpeedEvil> Vegar: pretty much
Dec 11 18:26:39 <SpeedEvil> Vegar: unless the hardware can be configured into such a state where the modem goes to sleep
Dec 11 18:26:54 <SpeedEvil> low power sleep mode rather
Dec 11 18:27:02 <SpeedEvil> AT+CGMR
Dec 11 18:27:02 <SpeedEvil> STR=`AT+CGMR'
Dec 11 18:27:03 <SpeedEvil> RSTR=`+CG'
Dec 11 18:27:03 <mickeyl> root@fic-gta01:~$ libgsmd-tool -m atcmd
Dec 11 18:27:03 <mickeyl> libgsm-tool - (C) 2006-2007 by Harald Welte and OpenMoko, Inc.
Dec 11 18:27:03 <mickeyl> This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
Dec 11 18:27:03 <mickeyl> AT+CGMR
Dec 11 18:27:03 <mickeyl> STR=`AT+CGMR'
Dec 11 18:27:03 <mickeyl> RSTR=`+CGMR: "HW: GTA01BV4, GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko6"'
Dec 11 18:27:26 <mickeyl> hmm +CG?
Dec 11 18:27:28 <mickeyl> that's not much
Dec 11 18:28:34 <torpor> why this? wget: Unable to connect to remote host (88.198.84.234): Connection refused
Dec 11 18:28:50 <torpor> is there a new buildhost server we should be using?
Dec 11 18:28:52 <mickeyl> SpeedEvil: do you have one of the july batch?
Dec 11 18:29:02 <mmontour> My phone shows: "HW: GTA01Bv4, GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko1"
Dec 11 18:29:03 <mickeyl> torpor: buildhost died
Dec 11 18:29:13 <mickeyl> torpor: downloads.openmoko.org still alive
Dec 11 18:29:19 <torpor> gah
Dec 11 18:29:24 <torpor> so i just do a sub then?
Dec 11 18:29:34 <SpeedEvil> strace says 
Dec 11 18:29:35 <SpeedEvil> read(3, "\r\n+CGMR: \"HW: GTA01Bv4, GSM: gsm"..., 1024) = 40
Dec 11 18:29:42 <torpor> <-- trying to keep his neo operational
Dec 11 18:29:45 <SpeedEvil> so something's doing something screwy
Dec 11 18:29:55 <mmontour> SpeedEvil: look in /tmp/gsm.log
Dec 11 18:30:20 <mickeyl> well
Dec 11 18:30:26 <mickeyl> you all want Moko5
Dec 11 18:30:45 <mmontour> OK, where can I download Moko5? :)
Dec 11 18:30:50 <torpor> i want moko5!
Dec 11 18:30:53 <torpor> where do i get it?
Dec 11 18:30:54 <mickeyl> iirc OM Inc. is working on updates-in-the-field. MichaelShiloh will keep you posted
Dec 11 18:31:04 <torpor> bah!
Dec 11 18:31:35 * cb23 has decided, previous i was faced with a problem: eee or neo, now i can get both :)
Dec 11 18:31:37 <SpeedEvil> MichaelShiloh: does the new firmware potentially enable actaully low-power sleep?
Dec 11 18:31:37 <cb23> problem solved
Dec 11 18:31:41 <SpeedEvil> oops
Dec 11 18:31:45 <SpeedEvil> mick:
Dec 11 18:32:17 <mickeyl> my release notes show that deep sleep is in the firmware since Moko3
Dec 11 18:32:19 <SpeedEvil> mickeyl: As opposed to the 30mA or so current one.
Dec 11 18:32:43 <Vegar> will the GTA02 have any better standby time?
Dec 11 18:32:49 <SpeedEvil> So it may be simply that the GPIOs are set wrongly.
Dec 11 18:33:20 <mickeyl> yeah
Dec 11 18:33:32 <mickeyl> could be some pins are still wrongly configure
Dec 11 18:33:33 <mickeyl> d
Dec 11 18:33:34 <SpeedEvil> Vegar: the power managment for the GTA01 is not implemented well enough in the software to tell yet. If it's possible to get sleep working properly, it should go to >1 week in suspend
Dec 11 18:33:39 <mickeyl> new system level engineer will find that
Dec 11 18:33:45 <Vegar> SpeedEvil: interesting
Dec 11 18:33:55 <SpeedEvil> At teh moment it will wake from suspend.
Dec 11 18:34:18 <SpeedEvil> But with the serial point in an undefined state on a wake due to an incoming call.
Dec 11 18:34:26 <SpeedEvil> s/oin/ort/
Dec 11 18:34:27 <apt> SpeedEvil meant: But with the serial portt in an undefined state on a wake due to an incoming call.
Dec 11 18:35:18 <mickeyl> for a device like the Neo, i myself find usage time more important than standby time though
Dec 11 18:35:35 <SpeedEvil> True, to an extent.
Dec 11 18:35:46 <mickeyl> cause there are so many things I'd like to do that need to keep it running
Dec 11 18:35:52 <mickeyl> gsm tracking, wifi tracking, bt tracking
Dec 11 18:35:54 <SpeedEvil> But there is also clock frequency stuff.
Dec 11 18:35:55 <cb23> Sad to say, but my old winmobile phone was really good in that regard
Dec 11 18:36:05 <cb23> it had huge stand by time
Dec 11 18:36:08 <SpeedEvil> if we could go to 12Mhz, that'd be nice.
Dec 11 18:36:09 <mickeyl> right. downclocking support for the SoC is still MIA
Dec 11 18:36:14 <cb23> but you never really turned it off
Dec 11 18:36:37 <CM> mickeyl: When can we expect more details on that potential new system level engineer? :)
Dec 11 18:36:45 <SpeedEvil> It'd be nicer if the PMU supported better voltage granularity for underclocking, but oh well.
Dec 11 18:37:18 <mickeyl> CM: i have no idea whether this is a) supposed to be disclosed at all, and if so, when :/
Dec 11 18:37:34 <CM> Ok, just curious as usually 
Dec 11 18:37:37 <mickeyl> sure
Dec 11 18:37:42 <mickeyl> things are more tied lipped than ever
Dec 11 18:37:53 <CM> Yeah, we've noticed.. :(
Dec 11 18:38:43 <cb23> mickeyl, if you dont tell us we'll start slaughtering kittens ;)
Dec 11 18:39:05 <_buz> chinese probably wont mind that
Dec 11 18:39:08 <mickeyl> heh
Dec 11 18:39:17 <SpeedEvil> Ah - right. Tue Dec 11 18:28:11 2007 <1> atcmd.c:260:ml_parse() buf=`+CGMR: "HW: GTA01Bv4, GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko1"'(83)
Dec 11 18:39:18 <mickeyl> if i tell you, i have no longer a job
Dec 11 18:39:25 <buz> (i'm told cat tastes similar to chicken)
Dec 11 18:39:28 <SpeedEvil> (the shipped version)
Dec 11 18:39:30 <mickeyl> SpeedEvil: yeah, that's the first batch from Suzhou
Dec 11 18:39:40 <mickeyl> the 2nd batch should have Moko3
Dec 11 18:39:48 <mickeyl> [sold from September onwards]
Dec 11 18:40:04 <mickeyl> ok, need to do something against my lazy bones
Dec 11 18:40:09 <mickey|sports> bbl
Dec 11 18:56:16 <ajbrun> RAH!
Dec 11 19:39:17 <a69oker> hello...
Dec 11 19:39:44 <a69oker> why does my image work on the emulator but doesn't boot on the device...:(
Dec 11 19:39:56 <a69oker> u-boot?
Dec 11 19:40:02 <a69oker> kernel?
Dec 11 19:40:16 <ajbrun> i'm always tempted to ask if it's a jpeg to questions like that :p
Dec 11 19:40:31 <a69oker> :)
Dec 11 19:41:01 <mmontour> a69oker: What happens when you try to boot?
Dec 11 19:41:06 <borg_> a69oker: have you done this "nand erase rootfs" thingy in before flashing the new rootfs?
Dec 11 19:41:30 <a69oker> haven't tried nand erase...
Dec 11 19:41:37 <cb23> note the rootfs
Dec 11 19:41:42 <a69oker> yep i know
Dec 11 19:41:42 <cb23> you dont wanna do nand erase
Dec 11 19:41:45 <borg_> try it, your rootfs has probably a different size
Dec 11 19:41:53 <a69oker> doesn't really tempt me:)...
Dec 11 19:41:58 <a69oker> you are right
Dec 11 19:42:11 <borg_> you have to flash the kernel then too
Dec 11 19:42:21 <a69oker> sure
Dec 11 19:42:27 <a69oker> will try it now
Dec 11 19:42:30 <borg_> ok
Dec 11 19:42:47 <a69oker> where is the device...:)...
Dec 11 19:43:18 * cb23 sneaks away holdin a69oker's neo
Dec 11 19:43:52 <a69oker> it's all good I love thieves:)
Dec 11 19:44:05 <a69oker> not all of them ofcourse:)
Dec 11 19:46:37 <a69oker> NAND erase: device 0 offset 0x2e4000, size 0x3d1c000
Dec 11 19:46:37 <a69oker> OK
Dec 11 19:48:39 <emdete> hi, i have problem charging my neo. if i plug in usb when linux is still running it sometimes does not start charging. is a daemon needed for that?
Dec 11 19:51:09 <a69oker> borg_: flashing the rootfs now... hopefully it works
Dec 11 19:52:34 <Henkie> any idea when it will be consumer ready? 2008 Q1, Q2?
Dec 11 19:53:09 <a69oker> would be nice to have better hardware...
Dec 11 19:53:38 <a69oker> and 3d graphic accelerators
Dec 11 19:53:42 <a69oker> and an omap 3430
Dec 11 19:53:44 <a69oker> :)
Dec 11 19:54:13 <a69oker> to say it all
Dec 11 19:55:01 <mudyc> why omap is not used in the first place? is it price or opennes problem?
Dec 11 19:55:11 <a69oker> price
Dec 11 19:55:12 <a69oker> :)
Dec 11 19:55:18 <a69oker> and they only sell thousands of units
Dec 11 19:55:30 <a69oker> if you order hunderd thousands of units than ok
Dec 11 19:55:46 <Henkie> well i'll be getting one
Dec 11 19:55:51 <a69oker> :)
Dec 11 19:56:26 <Henkie> atleast, when i can make a descent phonecall with it  :)
Dec 11 19:56:29 <Henkie> -s
Dec 11 19:56:46 <a69oker> phones are funny :)
Dec 11 19:56:51 <a69oker> if you don't call someone they don't exist
Dec 11 19:57:09 <a69oker> well there is post now
Dec 11 19:57:17 <a69oker> and other stuff
Dec 11 19:57:18 <a69oker> :)
Dec 11 19:57:21 <Henkie> i tried, doesnt work that way   :)
Dec 11 19:57:24 <mudyc> a69oker: do you know the 3430? how open the powervr or iva+ is?
Dec 11 19:57:39 <a69oker> not very open I"m afraid
Dec 11 19:57:52 <a69oker> you need to have good connections to get the real info
Dec 11 19:58:03 <a69oker> glsl
Dec 11 19:59:12 <a69oker> damn... takes 4ever to upload the rootfs
Dec 11 19:59:30 <a69oker> and takes ages to compile all the unnececary oe packages
Dec 11 19:59:41 <a69oker> who put all that stuff there:)
Dec 11 20:00:02 <mudyc> at least ti does not have specs available for their omap boards
Dec 11 20:00:27 <a69oker> mudye: but they have teams that train others
Dec 11 20:00:57 <a69oker> Resetting USB to switch back to runtime mode
Dec 11 20:00:58 <a69oker> ok
Dec 11 20:01:00 <a69oker> let c
Dec 11 20:01:44 <mudyc> a69oker: uh? how does that help some random guy who wants to hack on afternoon?-)
Dec 11 20:01:53 <a69oker> :)
Dec 11 20:02:19 <a69oker> it's all about the money love
Dec 11 20:03:22 <a69oker> perfect it works
Dec 11 20:03:31 <borg_> a69oker: nice!
Dec 11 20:03:37 <a69oker> :)
Dec 11 20:04:13 <a69oker> so bigger is better...:)
Dec 11 20:04:47 <a69oker> borg_:... where do I start to edit the files...:?)
Dec 11 20:04:54 <a69oker> what dir?
Dec 11 20:05:30 <borg_> which files?
Dec 11 20:05:42 <a69oker> media-player for example
Dec 11 20:05:50 <a69oker> I'm not 2 happy with the whole bitbake situation
Dec 11 20:06:09 <a69oker> have 2 get used 2 it
Dec 11 20:06:29 <borg_> so you want to exchange the media player with your patched version of it?
Dec 11 20:06:37 <a69oker> yes 
Dec 11 20:06:54 <borg_> you shouls make an ipk of your version and do "ipkg install mymediaplayer.ipk"
Dec 11 20:07:01 <borg_> s/shouls/should/
Dec 11 20:07:01 <apt> borg_ meant: you should make an ipk of your version and do "ipkg install mymediaplayer.ipk"
Dec 11 20:07:10 <borg_> oh the device
Dec 11 20:07:20 <a69oker> perfect
Dec 11 20:07:28 <a69oker> thanx 
Dec 11 20:07:41 * abraxa_ perks up
Dec 11 20:07:56 <abraxa_> Media player patch?
Dec 11 20:08:18 <a69oker> now I want to change everything
Dec 11 20:08:29 <a69oker> it's really ugly
Dec 11 20:08:37 <a69oker> :)
Dec 11 20:08:44 <a69oker> but hey I didn't say that 
Dec 11 20:08:46 <abraxa_> How so?
Dec 11 20:08:56 <a69oker> wait let me play with it for a while
Dec 11 20:09:06 <a69oker> then I'll show you what I like
Dec 11 20:13:19 <a69oker> thanx... cu
Dec 11 20:14:50 <abraxa_> ...great way to annoy me, really.
Dec 11 20:16:28 <cb23> hahaha
Dec 11 20:16:49 <cb23> dont worry abraxa_, i like the media player :)
Dec 11 20:17:02 <abraxa_> lol thanks, I wasn't fishing for compliments
Dec 11 20:17:29 <abraxa_> Just... coming here, insulting my work and leaving when asked for reasons is... yeah.
Dec 11 20:19:04 <cb23> i know the feeling
Dec 11 20:24:51 <borg_> abraxa_: hehe, let him do his version of the gui, it is always good to have choice :)
Dec 11 20:25:36 <abraxa_> Yeah
Dec 11 20:25:51 <abraxa_> Of course I let him ;)
Dec 11 20:25:57 <borg_> ;)
Dec 11 20:26:35 <borg_> it is hard to figure out how to change the volume and how to move forward in the track so ;)
Dec 11 20:26:55 <borg_> it works nice when you know how to do it
Dec 11 20:29:01 <abraxa_> Yeah, university is stealing my time currently which is why I didn't work on it as much as I want to
Dec 11 20:29:11 <abraxa_> Otherwise I would've finished the new wiki page also
Dec 11 20:29:34 <borg_> hehe, same here, bad universities ;)
Dec 11 20:29:51 * ajbrun wants to make something, but thinks it'll either turn out naffm or all the best ideas will already be taken
Dec 11 20:30:28 <abraxa_> ajbrun: naffm?
Dec 11 20:30:35 <ajbrun> naff
Dec 11 20:30:40 <ajbrun> typo
Dec 11 20:30:46 <ajbrun> naff = not very good
Dec 11 20:30:52 <abraxa_> oh
Dec 11 20:32:01 <ajbrun> i wouldn't mind having a go at something easy to visualise like a media player (not saying it's easy to make abraxa_), rather than a gps thing or something
Dec 11 20:32:36 <ajbrun> but i need the phone first anyway :)#
Dec 11 20:35:34 <CVirus> borg_: abraxa_: What uni ?
Dec 11 20:35:38 <abraxa_> ajbrun: Yeah of course, though you can already start learning how to use/write for e
Dec 11 20:35:54 <abraxa_> That'll come in handy when writing for the Neo later ;)
Dec 11 20:35:54 <ajbrun> i've never heard of e :(
Dec 11 20:36:02 <abraxa_> www.enlightenment.org
Dec 11 20:36:15 <abraxa_> CVirus: Just the local universtity I'm attending
Dec 11 20:36:25 <CVirus> abraxa_: name ?
Dec 11 20:36:33 <ajbrun> i doubt i'd end up making anything serious - just to play about with or something
Dec 11 20:36:52 <abraxa_> CVirus: You won't know if even if you live in Germany
Dec 11 20:37:02 <CVirus> oh
Dec 11 20:37:36 <CVirus> I'm a student at The German University in Cairo by the way :-)
Dec 11 20:37:59 <CVirus> top Uni in Egypt
Dec 11 20:38:16 <CVirus> Thank you germans :-)
Dec 11 20:42:25 <borg_> we have a university in egypt?
Dec 11 20:42:30 <ajbrun> lol
Dec 11 20:42:38 <ajbrun> you an egyption?
Dec 11 20:42:55 <borg_> how is the wether there? perhaps i should change :)
Dec 11 20:43:18 <ajbrun> are there a lot of germans here or something?
Dec 11 20:43:44 <abraxa_> CVirus: hehe nice :)
Dec 11 20:45:10 <borg_> ajbrun: it is probabably the majority here
Dec 11 20:57:48 <CIA-23> openmoko: 03sameo * r3631 10/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-ng/160-ar6k_ng.patch: 
Dec 11 20:57:48 <CIA-23> openmoko: ar6k-ng: Almost done with the mainline SDIO stack conversion.
Dec 11 20:57:48 <CIA-23> openmoko: htc_send.c is left.
Dec 11 21:03:52 <CIA-23> openmoko: 03sameo * r3632 10/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-ng/ (155-sdio_io_generic_rw.patch series): ar6k-ng: Added a generic SDIO rw function.
Dec 11 21:03:55 <CIA-23> openmoko: 03ortalo * r3633 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-calculator2/ (Makefile.am autogen.sh configure.ac po/LINGUAS po/it.po): 
Dec 11 21:03:55 <CIA-23> openmoko: Added Italian translation, courtesy of Milo Casagrande <milo_casagrande@yahoo.it>
Dec 11 21:03:55 <CIA-23> openmoko: Switched to a separate LINGUAS file (pointed by Milo too) while adjusting
Dec 11 21:03:55 <CIA-23> openmoko: configure.ac to include an AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR(.) directive for safety.
Dec 11 21:03:57 <CIA-23> openmoko: The latter may affect several other packages (see bug 1095 for details).
Dec 11 21:10:52 <ahven> can someone link to an article about bitbake and openmoko? trying to compile scummvm by myself
Dec 11 21:11:14 <CM> ahven: There is an ipkg for scummvm already
Dec 11 21:11:29 <borg_> and it works quite well
Dec 11 21:11:38 <ahven> it doesn't work for me
Dec 11 21:11:45 <borg_> oh :(
Dec 11 21:11:49 <ahven> it installs fine, but the scummvm wont execute
Dec 11 21:11:58 <ahven> says that there is no file
Dec 11 21:12:05 <ahven> though 'ls' shows it
Dec 11 21:12:08 <borg_> thats odd
Dec 11 21:12:26 <borg_> i use the ScaredyCat image, i think it is preinstalled there
Dec 11 21:12:53 <ahven> yup, that works
Dec 11 21:13:06 <ahven> but the terminal over there is screwed up somehow
Dec 11 21:13:11 <borg_> ok
Dec 11 21:13:12 <borg_> :P
Dec 11 21:13:18 <ahven> atleast backspace doesn't work the way it should
Dec 11 21:13:43 <borg_> yes, thats true, i can confirm it ;)
Dec 11 21:22:03 <Stephmw> opo|away: I believe there's also a .de dedicated channel in case you fancy some deutsch love
Dec 11 21:23:02 <opo|away> i must learn english 
Dec 11 21:23:04 <opo|away> :)
Dec 11 21:23:42 <Stephmw> it's all good, quite a few devs are based in europe
Dec 11 21:23:46 <ortalo> hello! anyone here has tried to compile openmoko-browser2 (with webkit)?
Dec 11 21:24:24 <Stephmw> ortalo: not I, sorry - I've run it on a Zaurus though :D
Dec 11 21:24:43 <opo|away> in October 2008 i would go to america for practical training at google
Dec 11 21:24:44 <opo|away> :)
Dec 11 21:24:58 <opo|away> and then my english must been better ten yet
Dec 11 21:25:20 <ortalo> don't worry
Dec 11 21:25:34 <ortalo> everyone speaks bad english
Dec 11 21:25:53 <ortalo> maybe even in US/UK ;-)
Dec 11 21:25:57 <opo|away> ;D
Dec 11 21:26:30 <Stephmw> ortalo: yeah, if anything, the USians and Brits have worse english than the others... as populations, of course :D
Dec 11 21:26:32 <opo|away> i have problems with the gramma
Dec 11 21:26:46 <opo|away> i write in english like i speak in german
Dec 11 21:26:49 <opo|away> :)
Dec 11 21:26:50 <ahven> can anyone test by installing scummvm?
Dec 11 21:26:58 <CM> The americans have problems with their spelling for sure.. ;)
Dec 11 21:27:36 <Stephmw> CM: *grin* "It's spelt colOUR, dammit!"
Dec 11 21:27:36 <ortalo> scummvm? what's this?
Dec 11 21:27:46 <ahven> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Scummvm
Dec 11 21:27:51 <ahven> scummvm: not found
Dec 11 21:28:01 <CM> Stephmw: Hehe, and night, not nite, armour/armor.. ;)
Dec 11 21:28:07 <ahven> root@fic-gta01:/media/card/scummvm$ ls -la /usr/bin/scummvm
Dec 11 21:28:07 <ahven> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root      4986216 Aug 15 13:34 /usr/bin/scummvm
Dec 11 21:29:11 <mmontour> ahven: I'd guess that your binary is built as OABI rather than EABI
Dec 11 21:29:22 <ortalo> oh, how could I leave without knowing this application...?
Dec 11 21:29:24 <ahven> did not build it myself :)
Dec 11 21:29:34 <ortalo> oops, s/leave/live
Dec 11 21:31:43 <balrog-kun> ahven: you can check that using "file"
Dec 11 21:32:29 <mmontour> ahven: Do you have the gllin GPS driver installed? It includes an OABI version of some of the system libraries.
Dec 11 21:33:13 <ahven> yes I have it
Dec 11 21:36:04 <mmontour> 'cd' into the gllin dir, then try: lib/ld-linux.so.2 --library-path /home/root/gllin/lib:/home/root/gllin/usr/lib /usr/bin/scummvm
Dec 11 21:39:56 <ahven> $ lib/ld-linux.so.2 --library-path /home/root/gllin/lib:/home/root/gllin/usr/lib /usr/bin/scummvm
Dec 11 21:39:57 <ahven> /usr/bin/scummvm: /home/root/gllin/lib/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_3.5' not found (required by /usr/lib/libvorbisfile.so.3)
Dec 11 21:39:57 <ahven> /usr/bin/scummvm: /home/root/gllin/lib/libdl.so.2: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by /usr/lib/libX11.so.6)
Dec 11 21:42:37 <mmontour> OK, looks like it is an OABI binary (from before the switch to the "2007.2" framework).
Dec 11 21:45:05 <ahven> ok
Dec 11 21:45:12 <balrog-kun> the libs in the chroot are quite old
Dec 11 21:45:31 <ahven> so back to my original question - is there any nice instructions on bitbake and openmoko? :)
Dec 11 21:48:36 <mmontour> There is an "application development crash course" page on the wiki
Dec 11 21:55:26 <cjb_ie> http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/11/willcom-shows-off-an-android-prototype/
Dec 11 23:28:42 <LittleIdiot> harzi: do you want a reply to your message to the labor via mail or irc? ;)
Dec 11 23:29:56 <harzi> LittleIdiot: oh, don't mind...
Dec 11 23:30:24 <harzi> I am in #linux.ch or /query
Dec 12 01:34:32 <moprilo> hi..
Dec 12 01:34:35 <moprilo> anyone here_
Dec 12 01:35:34 <ewon> everyone's asleep
Dec 12 01:35:34 <moprilo> I just took a look to the last update, and they were looking for 850Mhz testers.  Who should I speak to?
Dec 12 01:35:39 <moprilo> mm :S
Dec 12 01:35:39 <ewon> most of the people here are CET
Dec 12 01:35:49 <moprilo> i see.
Dec 12 01:35:50 <ewon> I'm PST, and hence awake :)
Dec 12 01:36:00 <ewon> but I'm in no position to answer your question
Dec 12 01:36:03 <ewon> sorry
Dec 12 01:36:14 <moprilo> thanks anyway.
Dec 12 01:36:54 <xzcvczx> moprilo: looking at last update i thought i read that there were enough already and they didnt need any more :S
Dec 12 02:43:47 <SpeedEvil> Anyone any ideas why the modem might say 'invalid index' when I ask for a list of SMSs?
Dec 12 02:48:49 <SpeedEvil> Can anyone SMS something to 07943894922 (UK) - so I can see if it changes
Dec 12 02:58:37 <balrog-kun> i heard it says that when there are no messages
Dec 12 02:59:06 <SpeedEvil> hmm
Dec 12 02:59:21 <SpeedEvil> As I was reading it I should just get back an empty list
Dec 12 02:59:51 <balrog-kun> yep, but that's not the case :P
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