**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 12 02:59:57 2007 Dec 12 03:02:31 * ljp gives SpeedEvil 's number to sexEringtones4U Dec 12 03:05:22 * anrp hands SpeedEvil the +44 Dec 12 03:45:43 openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r3634 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/include/libgsmd/phonebook.h: gsmd: remove the redundant API of phonebook(Sean Chiang) Dec 12 04:16:52 hey can somebody help me with bluetooth network? I'm trying to get pan working but can't find stuff in the wiki Dec 12 04:29:41 SpeedEvil: did someone text you? Dec 12 04:32:51 CM, I try for new build "make openmoko-devel-image" It gives me error you can see here http://pastebin.ca/812987 any Idia Dec 12 04:35:51 /home/qvantel/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/include/c++/bits/stl_function.h may be damaged Dec 12 04:35:54 post it? Dec 12 06:07:45 hmm it seems to take a while longer to register with att&t vs tmobile Dec 12 06:09:30 so does at&t service this phone in the usa? Dec 12 06:09:57 yes Dec 12 06:10:07 some sim cards don't work, though Dec 12 06:10:46 daMaestro: What about with the new gsm firmware? Dec 12 06:10:57 ybrads that dont? Dec 12 06:11:07 linuxxr, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT Dec 12 06:11:09 brands* Dec 12 06:11:35 CM, how do we flash it? Dec 12 06:11:35 linuxxr: The early versions of the gsm firmware didn't handle newer 3G sim cards Dec 12 06:11:48 daMaestro: We can't yet, but they're working on that Dec 12 06:11:56 CM, my point ;-) Dec 12 06:12:05 I have version 2 of the firmware, the latest is v6.. Dec 12 06:13:35 71234 O 4022 is the sim i have Dec 12 06:34:11 good morning Dec 12 06:46:57 Hopscotch, good morning Dec 12 06:49:29 hmm how do we set the localtime setting? ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/MST /etc/localtime didn't do it Dec 12 06:51:59 ahh.. it does work Dec 12 06:52:21 daMaestro: http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/nslu2-linux/setting-the-openmoko-timezone.html Dec 12 06:52:58 abraxa__, thanks.. i had already done so Dec 12 06:54:07 abraxa__, it is that /etc/profile is that sets TZ .... Dec 12 06:54:41 s/e is that/is what/ Dec 12 06:54:46 daMaestro meant: abraxa__, it is that /etc/profilis what sets TZ .... Dec 12 06:55:03 lol.. watching mythtv via Miro.. sorry Dec 12 06:58:50 /channels Dec 12 06:59:32 abraxa__, you know.... the UI still has the incorrect (UTC) time Dec 12 07:00:20 root@fic-gta01:~$ date Dec 12 07:00:21 Tue Dec 11 23:57:37 MST 2007 Dec 12 07:00:23 this is fine Dec 12 07:01:49 daMaestro: waht is mst? Dec 12 07:03:44 -6UTC Dec 12 07:03:55 hmm -7UTC Dec 12 07:04:04 it seems MDT is -6UTC Dec 12 07:04:05 what does the m stand for Dec 12 07:04:13 mountain standard time Dec 12 07:04:20 lol Dec 12 07:04:23 (the other is mountain daylight time) Dec 12 07:04:37 * xzcvczx goes to mt taupo then changes his timezone to mdt :P Dec 12 07:04:42 lol Dec 12 07:06:35 hello people, im new to openmoko development Dec 12 07:06:50 good to know lut4rp Dec 12 07:06:57 nothing wrong with some new blood Dec 12 07:07:06 thanks xzcvczx Dec 12 07:07:18 lut4rp: you got any projects in mind? Dec 12 07:07:43 xzcvczx, not yet, im not sure where i can help out Dec 12 07:08:02 whats your interest/abilities Dec 12 07:08:28 xzcvczx, i can do c, c++. also avidly into python these days Dec 12 07:08:54 fair enuff Dec 12 07:09:11 have you looked on projects.om.org to see whether there is anything that you fancy? Dec 12 07:09:37 yes, the pymoko project did catch my eye Dec 12 07:09:52 the project leader there is my mentor Dec 12 07:10:09 im doing comp sc engineering Dec 12 07:11:01 oh yup Dec 12 07:11:08 but i am still not _that_ python proficient so as to help him out Dec 12 07:12:18 xzcvczx, how can i get started? i read somewhere that i can compile the OS on my pc as well? Dec 12 07:15:18 lut4rp: What os? Dec 12 07:15:33 A good start is trying to get familiar with openembedded and bitbake Dec 12 07:15:40 CM, the openmoko OS Dec 12 07:15:53 forgive me if i m dead wrong somewhere :) Dec 12 07:15:57 Yes, but I which one do you have on your pc? :) Dec 12 07:16:12 im running ubuntu 7.10 Dec 12 07:16:25 Ok, should work well then Dec 12 07:16:37 The wiki has some good instructions on how to get started Dec 12 07:16:38 I' Dec 12 07:16:47 I'd recommend using the makefile Dec 12 07:17:22 CM, any way to *make* the UI display in local time? Dec 12 07:18:05 daMaestro: For some reason it has always doen that for me, so I've never really looked at it Dec 12 07:18:14 ok Dec 12 07:18:27 lut4rp: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile Dec 12 07:18:43 CM, thanks, let me see into it Dec 12 07:28:23 moin Dec 12 07:31:22 can somebody point me to a wiki link to the page about getting your neo to come back to life after sitting? Dec 12 07:31:31 I can Dec 12 07:31:36 ** I can't remember all the steps Dec 12 07:31:49 take battery out for 5 mins Dec 12 07:31:54 then plug in Dec 12 07:32:16 xzcvczx, five minutes?! Dec 12 07:32:18 yes Dec 12 07:32:24 I pulled it out for about 90 seconds Dec 12 07:32:25 maybe more Dec 12 07:32:30 okay, pulling out it for longer now Dec 12 07:32:51 in most cases 10s works - it has been reported some peope need more Dec 12 07:33:01 Woah, the MokoMakefile build takes 5 hours? Dec 12 07:33:09 SpeedEvil, hey again, thanks Dec 12 07:33:20 lut4rp: often much longer Dec 12 07:33:46 lut4rp: it's building a whole distribution, X, GTK, libc, .. Dec 12 07:33:47 lut4rp: For me about 10.5h on the first build Dec 12 07:34:09 Using an amd64 3000+ with 1gb ram Dec 12 07:34:33 hmm, i have a core2duo 2.8 ghz with 2 gb ram Dec 12 07:35:17 codyl: just being on safe side/worst case scenario Dec 12 07:42:07 damn.. so GTA02 will not be ready before march? if i knew that a few month ago i had brought a GTA01.. :/ i ask LaF0rge (at least i guess he was it) on the cccamp07 because i tought already that i will not be done this year. but he says that they are on schedule.. well okay than i'll have to wait till march.. or maybe buy a used GTA01? someone intrested selling it? ;) Dec 12 07:58:09 fish__, i might be (but doubt it) Dec 12 08:11:23 anyone on AT&T get their SIM card contacts and messages to show up under Qt/E ? Dec 12 08:17:06 nah, don't sell the gta01 Dec 12 08:17:12 they might be collector's items soon Dec 12 08:17:16 :) Dec 12 08:20:19 It's definitely a limited edition :) Dec 12 08:20:27 yea Dec 12 08:20:29 * CM holds on to nr2 Dec 12 08:20:59 it's like greenphone Dec 12 08:21:04 right Dec 12 08:21:05 codyl, as best i can tell.. no Dec 12 08:21:20 mudyc: Just not as ugly.. ;) Dec 12 08:21:38 or as expensive (and doesn't have a useless sdk) ;-) Dec 12 08:21:45 i could sell my gta02v1 preproduction model... if you don't mind a stench Dec 12 08:21:46 *g* Dec 12 08:21:56 Hehe Dec 12 08:22:26 hi... Dec 12 08:23:13 how network related stuff is managed in openmoko ? i mean dose it usees gnome network manager Dec 12 08:23:36 daMaestro, people have said their SIM data works, whats up with AT&T Dec 12 08:25:39 vikramb11: No, not using network manager as far as I know Dec 12 08:26:24 thanx CM. So how the connections are managed then ? Dec 12 08:26:26 vikramb11: gta01 only have gprs, bluetooth and usb networking, and there's not so much to manage yet Dec 12 08:26:36 oh Dec 12 08:26:43 vikramb11: I've only used usb myself so far Dec 12 08:27:15 But someone here had a script or something that used usb if it was available, then bluetooth, and last resort gprs Dec 12 08:27:30 CM : oh ok Dec 12 08:27:37 vikramb11: GTA02, that will be released next year will have wlan also Dec 12 08:28:11 CM: ok.. Dec 12 08:28:24 cm : and would possibly have NM Dec 12 08:28:38 vikramb11: I guess it could :) Dec 12 08:28:48 CM : In current svn ....Where can i find related stuff in the source tree ... Dec 12 08:28:58 cm : i mean the script etc Dec 12 08:32:25 I don't think that "fallback" script is in any public svn yet Dec 12 08:32:39 Can't remember who made it Dec 12 08:33:20 vikramb11: In general OpenMoko use a lot of OpenEmbedded, since that's the system used to build it Dec 12 08:34:09 anyone know if settingsgui is properly handling gprs config yet/ Dec 12 08:34:10 ? Dec 12 08:34:59 vikramb11: Also, check Angstrom, since those packages work on OpenMoko too. NetworkManager is already packaged for it Dec 12 08:36:10 CM : Ok ..what is libmokonet doing there ? Dec 12 08:36:39 No idea :) Dec 12 08:37:39 hi anyone know if SMS is working in any of the recent OM snapshots? Dec 12 08:39:13 duffyd: i've heard that it does, but haven't tried myself yet Dec 12 08:39:23 CM: ok thanks Dec 12 08:39:35 * duffyd really needs this functionality :) Dec 12 08:39:53 Were some issues with recieving sms from numbers not in the addressbook, but I think that was fixed yesterday or so. Dec 12 08:40:01 Lots of progress around that right now :) Dec 12 08:40:13 CM: ok cool :) ScaredyCat's repo? Dec 12 08:40:49 It's a good place to look, but he's been a bit busy lately not sure how recent the builds are Dec 12 08:40:55 * CM pokes ScaredyCat Dec 12 08:41:45 CM: ok cool Dec 12 08:42:18 I have a rootfs built yesterday, but I haven't tested it yet Dec 12 08:42:30 ok Dec 12 08:43:22 duffyd: Test if you want. It's standard OpenMoko, but bleeding edge and automatic srcrev http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/current/images/neo1973/ Dec 12 08:44:23 CM: thanks. I'm still wondering how do I import the contacts from my SIM :( Dec 12 08:44:38 thought it was fairly basic functionality (maybe I'm just stupid) Dec 12 08:44:58 It should be, but maybe it's not implemented right yet Dec 12 08:45:41 ok, one other thing I was *just wanting* to do is copy my cal from Evolution to OM - have you tried this? Dec 12 08:49:08 hmm.. useless sdk, hey Dec 12 08:50:41 ljp: Hehe, I almost poked you when that was mentioned ;) Dec 12 08:50:54 i've never used it, sorry Dec 12 08:51:02 it was a poke at the fact the sdk was not Free Dec 12 08:51:13 daMaestro: So you meant userless? ;) Dec 12 08:51:39 i meant no offense, so yes, i meant userless Dec 12 08:59:30 sdk is free Dec 12 09:00:04 there will be a qtopia sdk fo rthe neo as well Dec 12 09:00:12 Oh, cool :) Dec 12 09:03:42 LaF0rge: ping Dec 12 09:05:23 what sdk? Dec 12 09:06:14 qtopia sdk for the neo Dec 12 09:06:46 ah Dec 12 09:06:55 any good reasons to use it instead of openmoko? Dec 12 09:07:45 i think so Dec 12 09:07:57 heh Dec 12 09:08:00 torpor: Hehe, know who you're asking? Dec 12 09:08:02 * mickeyl gets popcorn Dec 12 09:08:02 such as? Dec 12 09:08:14 CM: the channel Dec 12 09:08:52 why would i use qtopia instead of openmoko? and how can i guarantee that my app will run on the majority of neo phones? Dec 12 09:08:54 it has worldtime! of course Dec 12 09:09:28 will the qtopia camp get more involved in hacking up uboot to make dual-boot easier, thus making 'switchers' lives simpler? Dec 12 09:09:48 will there be a qtopia layer in openmoko so that i can just point qtopia users to an .ipk and they'll still be happy?? Dec 12 09:10:01 i mean, honest: the point of a qtopia port is to *hinder* neo development. Dec 12 09:12:12 umm. no Dec 12 09:12:32 for one, the neo is shippe without an operating system Dec 12 09:12:52 no it isn't. its shipped with openmoko onboard. Dec 12 09:13:03 mine came with openmoko. Dec 12 09:13:05 ljp: (just realised who you are :) do you know if I can copy my Evolution calendar.ics into qtopia and use it? Dec 12 09:13:10 every other neo i've seen has run openmoko Dec 12 09:13:16 duffyd: lol greaser :P Dec 12 09:13:32 p1 devices came with no rootfs os Dec 12 09:13:37 not sure if it has ics support Dec 12 09:13:37 i don't get the point of qtopia, other than to fracture the movement. Dec 12 09:13:41 xzcvczx: hey Dec 12 09:13:53 qtopia has been around for many years Dec 12 09:14:04 ljp: ok, so in other words can't just use my evo calendar in qtopia? Dec 12 09:14:05 xzcvczx: every one of 3 neo's i have, came with om boot. Dec 12 09:14:12 ljp: yeah thats what i thought..... openmoko is the spanner in hte works of the 2 Dec 12 09:14:15 no offence guys Dec 12 09:14:27 ljp: this 'many years' excuse is no good argument. OS/2 has been around for many years too. Dec 12 09:14:28 torpor: not one of ours has any kinds of operating system on it Dec 12 09:14:34 torpor: then that was very unusual Dec 12 09:14:52 torpor: well, then you could say om is fracturing the 'movement' Dec 12 09:15:01 its all about choice anyway Dec 12 09:15:05 can i write a qtopia app and run it on openmoko? or do i have to enforce that my users install qtopia too. Dec 12 09:15:08 torpor: so as soon as you turned them on the phone would boot fully up to OM2007,1? Dec 12 09:15:15 xzcvczx: yup Dec 12 09:15:36 * xzcvczx grabs some of mickeyl's popcorn Dec 12 09:15:40 the point is this (and i know i'm sniping here, for a reason): why should i favour that my users use qtopia over openmoko? Dec 12 09:15:58 you shouldnt favour as such Dec 12 09:16:02 allow them to use either Dec 12 09:16:09 from the perspective of an applications developer, the existence of qtopia on the neo hasn't justified itself. i want to know what the big deal is. Dec 12 09:16:16 because its a more mature system Dec 12 09:16:37 i see. the 'maturity' argument again. Dec 12 09:16:43 torpor: qtopia is fully choice..... its a bit like installing windowsXP on your mac using bootcamp Dec 12 09:16:58 the thing is: why would i want to do it? there still is no short, sweet answer. Dec 12 09:17:05 and in fact, that may be the answer itself: there is no reason. Dec 12 09:17:29 other than 'maturity', but we all know that openmoko isn't ready yet. and by the time there are customers for my apps, this will have changed. Dec 12 09:17:44 well, any reason I come up with, you are going to shoot it down, because you have your mind made up about it Dec 12 09:17:53 ljp: not true Dec 12 09:18:06 i want you to give me a really good answer. you haven't done that yet, because maybe you don't know, or can't be bothered? Dec 12 09:18:21 torpor: is it possible to develop your application for both as some will want to use one and some will want to use the other. Dec 12 09:18:21 but the thing is: i'm an app developer for these phones. i'm building serious apps for this segment. Dec 12 09:18:30 and i want a good reason why i should target qtopia over openmoko. Dec 12 09:18:32 i have offered many good reasons Dec 12 09:18:38 ljp: you have not Dec 12 09:18:43 eye candy? Dec 12 09:18:43 you have only said 'we are older' and thats all. Dec 12 09:18:47 Well, om uses X and qtopia a fb or? Dec 12 09:18:48 eye candy! great! Dec 12 09:18:54 KDE-lookalike Dec 12 09:18:56 widgets Dec 12 09:18:56 obviouslt stabulity and maturity arent good enough for you and thats fine Dec 12 09:18:59 torpor: ;) Dec 12 09:19:01 is "the fact you can code in qt" an answer? Dec 12 09:19:07 qt libs and c++ Dec 12 09:19:26 ok, give me one good reason why i should use openmoko? Dec 12 09:19:35 ljp: stability and maturity? openmoko is stable, and its maturity is told by the progress since i've been targeting it: excellent. Dec 12 09:20:17 ljp: this is an opportunity for *you* to sell *me* not the other way around. you're the one offering a completely alternative OS framework for the phone i'm already writing apps for .. Dec 12 09:20:21 gsmd when i last used it (about a month ago) was anything BUT stable.... sorry if this has been fixed Dec 12 09:20:40 xzcvczx: okay, you got me there. gsmd on om has blown. Dec 12 09:20:46 but it has also made serious progress. Dec 12 09:20:57 what i'd love to see Dec 12 09:21:01 what i want is a really compelling reason why i should tell my customers to run qtopia instead of OM. Dec 12 09:21:03 is TT cooperating with us on the middleware Dec 12 09:21:27 mickeyl: you missed the "hint hint" :P Dec 12 09:21:30 i don't see any reason to run qtopia yet. but i'm willing to be thats because of my own ignorance. so i ask: whats so great about qtopia? Dec 12 09:21:41 xzcvczx: heh, i said that before but it remained unheard... Dec 12 09:21:43 and i'm told "its older" Dec 12 09:21:50 i guess i have to call David myself Dec 12 09:22:32 answer this, someone who knows: can qtopia and om apps run on each others OS's esily enough? is there a way to do it, such as with KDE/Gnome apps on the desktop co-existing? Dec 12 09:22:37 mickeyl: and what do you define as the middleware? Dec 12 09:22:47 because if the answer is that qtopia lets you run OM apps as well as QT apps, then thats a good answer. Dec 12 09:22:58 there is a way to do it' Dec 12 09:23:07 xzcvczx: phone server, device daemon, PIM storage model Dec 12 09:23:10 ... Dec 12 09:23:17 ah kewl Dec 12 09:23:23 ljp: great, how does it work? i have an OM .ipk, i wanna put it on a qtopia-running phone. possible? Dec 12 09:24:49 I'm off nite all Dec 12 09:24:58 night duffyd Dec 12 09:25:47 i know a software company that writes commercial apps with Qt, they love it. they freakin' love it. but it could just be because they're norwegian. i'd love to know if that enthusiasm is gonna show up around the neo1973 camp one of these days .. Dec 12 09:26:15 torpor, they don't hire consultants though Dec 12 09:26:26 you cant expect om to run gtk and qt Dec 12 09:26:27 who? Dec 12 09:26:52 torpor, trolltech? Dec 12 09:27:02 xzcvczx: precisely why i think qtopia is a hindrance. it would be a *true* choice if qtopia apps could run on OM and vice versa, but since this isn't happening, its a dilemna, not a solution. Dec 12 09:27:22 mbuf: the company i'm talking about is a norwegian oil services co. who licensed Qt for their app development. Dec 12 09:27:27 torpor: that is not trolltechs problem so you should not be berating ljp over it Dec 12 09:27:31 torpor, i see Dec 12 09:28:14 xzcvczx: its not trolltechs problem that OM apps can't run on Qtopia, or that developers when faced with the choice of which toolkit to use, want to go with the majority? i think you're mis-reading the framing of the argument. Dec 12 09:28:51 if qtopia is suddenly *the* choice for the neo1973/GTA02 release, then i'd like to know the reasons why this may be the case. Dec 12 09:29:43 its a serious issue: why should i, as a developer, target qtopia? are there going to be qtopia-base installed phones? Dec 12 09:30:15 LaF0rge: ping Dec 12 09:30:35 torpor: well if i was in your situation i would decide on one or the other whether you prefer/are better at gtk or qt and make it for that one.. then if your application is popular enough i am sure you will find people who will be willing to help port it to the other Dec 12 09:31:21 my applications are being targetted at companies like A1 (Austrian telco) and such. its an important issue. Dec 12 09:31:26 qtopia is already in the market on consumer phones Dec 12 09:31:50 i'd be just as happy to use Qt as I am with GTK, if i knew that there was going to be an effort to support both on either distro release. Dec 12 09:31:52 I'm trying to get my neo to see the net. I've never played with iptables before, but have just compiled a new kernel with it in. However, the wiki says 'iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24' - to which my box replies iptables: No chain/target/match by that name Dec 12 09:31:54 hints? Dec 12 09:32:21 then you missed one of the things in kernel i think Dec 12 09:32:29 * SpeedEvil wishes for the old 2.4 behaviour, when I could just echo >ip_forward and it all just worked. Dec 12 09:32:39 (after setting up routes) Dec 12 09:32:40 torpor: why not provide both user interfaces and use generic engine? Dec 12 09:32:42 look for nat/masqurade in kernel Dec 12 09:33:08 mudyc: thats a good argument, why not indeed .. why not just write for Qt, and be able to run it under OpenMoko? Dec 12 09:33:13 xzcvczx: I think I've ticked every one of several million options. :) I know it's got all_NAT or whatever it's called Dec 12 09:33:32 nf_nat Dec 12 09:33:34 hmm Dec 12 09:33:56 i normally ended up recompiling up to 10 times to get it working Dec 12 09:34:08 SpeedEvil, http://f3dora.org/paste/476 Dec 12 09:34:16 and yes, that damn TG app is slow right now Dec 12 09:34:23 that box is swapping hardcore /me goes to look Dec 12 09:34:36 torpor: well, is there any technical issues why it wouldn't be possible? Dec 12 09:34:58 i guess thats why i'm asking the Qt experts .. Dec 12 09:35:17 daMaestro: it barfs on the first iptables line Dec 12 09:35:20 SpeedEvil, that is for host "plug-n-play" internet (plugging the neo into a linux machine) Dec 12 09:36:18 SpeedEvil, yeah.. missing kernel options :-/ Dec 12 09:36:45 It'd be so nice if something'd say which :/ Oh well. make menuconfig Dec 12 09:36:47 (again) Dec 12 09:38:37 SpeedEvil: do you want a copy of my .config for comparison? Dec 12 09:39:21 ah - I've got it - I think Dec 12 09:39:31 suboption off NAT - not ticked Dec 12 09:39:42 which one? Dec 12 09:40:51 netfileter->full NAT -> masqueratde target support Dec 12 09:41:10 that would help Dec 12 09:41:12 x CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_MASQUERADE Dec 12 09:42:51 hmm, the rokr in silver is nice. #http://www.osnews.com/img/15650/rokr-e2-1.jpg Dec 12 09:42:59 i've seen it in black and didn#t like it Dec 12 09:44:26 Thanks - 64 bytes from 209.85.173.103: icmp_seq=0 ttl=238 time=178.7 ms Dec 12 09:44:28 :) Dec 12 09:45:10 wow that was a quick recompile/reboot Dec 12 09:45:15 or did you just module it? Dec 12 09:45:39 wc /proc/modules Dec 12 09:45:39 294 1764 14156 /proc/modules Dec 12 09:45:43 woot! someone got Processing onboard!? http://scap.linuxtogo.org Dec 12 10:03:57 I have the nov snapshot - ipkg update fails - is this to be expected? Dec 12 10:04:25 Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/all/Packages.gz Dec 12 10:04:26 wget: server returned error 404: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found Dec 12 10:05:03 yes Dec 12 10:05:13 i broke the path Dec 12 10:05:18 ~lart mickeyl Dec 12 10:05:18 * apt hauls mickeyl up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles Dec 12 10:05:24 I see. Dec 12 10:05:36 but it shouldn't hurt Dec 12 10:05:39 ipkg will just continue Dec 12 10:05:45 and use the main feed Dec 12 10:05:46 s Dec 12 10:05:55 we're going to add this directory soon Dec 12 10:05:58 so that ipkg keeps quet Dec 12 10:06:01 quiet, even Dec 12 10:06:02 It carries on for 4 more URLs, then stops Dec 12 10:06:17 yeah, that's all the updates-URIs Dec 12 10:06:23 the snapshot-URIs should work Dec 12 10:06:23 Ok Dec 12 10:06:28 i did some updates to the snapshot URIs Dec 12 10:06:38 so ipkg upgrade should drag some packages in Dec 12 10:06:40 at least two Dec 12 10:06:45 dialer and gsmd IIRC Dec 12 10:07:00 Ah - I assumed those were fatals Dec 12 10:07:11 upgrade seems to be doing stuff Dec 12 10:07:22 mediaplayer, dialer, gsmd Dec 12 10:07:24 if I copy an openmoko build env to a new machine... what would I issue to say 'build everything, even toolchain from scratch, but don't delete the local copies of the downloaded stuff' Dec 12 10:07:25 righto Dec 12 10:07:29 thanks Dec 12 10:07:34 np Dec 12 10:07:46 hachi: beware that some tools contain hardcoded paths, e.g. quilt Dec 12 10:08:02 uhhh... yeah Dec 12 10:08:04 hachi: usually bitbake doesn't delete anything Dec 12 10:08:11 that's why I want to rebuild everything from scratch Dec 12 10:08:20 then keep the sources dir intact Dec 12 10:08:29 where is your DL_DIR pointing towards? Dec 12 10:08:34 huh? Dec 12 10:08:37 it should not point inside tmp Dec 12 10:08:47 no I'm asking do I issue a make clean or make distclean Dec 12 10:08:49 make realclean? Dec 12 10:08:54 oh Dec 12 10:08:55 I have no idea what the proper cleaning method is Dec 12 10:08:56 * mickeyl out of the play Dec 12 10:08:59 that's mokomakefile Dec 12 10:09:02 * mickeyl points to other guys Dec 12 10:11:46 hachi, if you want to rebuild from scratch, just remove the moko/ directory, re-create it, wget Mokomakefile and build Dec 12 10:12:02 hachi: But keep the sources folder Dec 12 10:12:15 * CM has 2.6G in there Dec 12 10:12:44 LaF0rge: ping Dec 12 10:12:54 hachi: make clobber Dec 12 10:13:06 keeps sources, deletes everything else. Dec 12 10:13:16 (keeps the OE.mtn file too) Dec 12 10:13:21 thanks! Dec 12 10:13:46 thanks for all the answers... good things to know Dec 12 10:14:49 is there any plan to get buildhost.openmoko.org again? Dec 12 10:15:16 unclear Dec 12 10:15:20 huh? did buildhost explode? Dec 12 10:15:22 downloads contains most of it Dec 12 10:15:27 oh Dec 12 10:15:40 buildhost only did contain life-builds, when engineers worked on stuff Dec 12 10:15:40 so what is the solution .. just change buildhost.openmoko.org to downloads? Dec 12 10:15:50 yeah Dec 12 10:16:02 why didn't someone keep a CNAME pointing? Dec 12 10:16:11 or put one in place Dec 12 10:16:27 well Dec 12 10:16:31 cname and apache redirect would do the trick Dec 12 10:16:33 or better yet update the .conf files .. Dec 12 10:16:34 i don't think buildhost was ever supposed to be public Dec 12 10:16:44 if not, how come we know about it? Dec 12 10:16:44 the conf files are already updated in newer builds Dec 12 10:16:59 because people saw that it contains live builds Dec 12 10:17:04 and started to download these and test Dec 12 10:17:12 i've been doing ipkg update && ipkg upgrade, and the conf files don't change .. Dec 12 10:17:15 stumbling over a lot of non-working builds, of course Dec 12 10:17:27 by not having a CNAME / redirect you're making people constantly ask the question of 'where did buildhost go?' Dec 12 10:17:34 rather than just answering it on that site Dec 12 10:17:40 hmm Dec 12 10:17:40 or redirecting them to the right place Dec 12 10:17:44 * mickeyl points to Gismo_C Dec 12 10:17:46 it's a usability question now Dec 12 10:18:01 * * OM Bug 1122 has been created by cayco(AT)cayco.pl Dec 12 10:18:02 * * FIrst (counting from left) contact is not clickable Dec 12 10:18:03 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1122 Dec 12 10:18:12 the thing is, should be be expecting to be able to 'stay curent' on our neos by just doing ipkg upgrades, or do we have to burn new images? Dec 12 10:19:16 good question. i have been working to make the first one reality. but i no longer maintain the snapshot Dec 12 10:19:27 ok so its in the air Dec 12 10:19:32 even if you don't expect that to work Dec 12 10:19:41 should you actively hinder people? Dec 12 10:19:43 the reason i'm asking is because i switched to a boot-on-SD config a month ago and i don't wanna change it .. if i can avoid it. Dec 12 10:19:53 right Dec 12 10:20:07 the tools group is a bit busy with toolchain issues atm. Dec 12 10:20:14 but these people also maintain the snapshot Dec 12 10:21:52 okay well i'll just assume that i can continue doing ipkg upgrades, and continue doing so until i run into problems. then i'll moan about it, and rebuild my root-on-sd filesystem if needed, by hand .. ;) Dec 12 10:22:29 I forget, is there a page explaining why root-on-sd is good? Dec 12 10:23:26 hachi: there is no such page, but if you want to actually install things, root on sd is good. coz the onboard NAND is packed to the gills right now.. Dec 12 10:23:49 i also have a dev environment on my neo right now too, to avoid cross compiling some of my projects. Dec 12 10:24:17 does the moko kernel have overlay support in it? Dec 12 10:24:29 I could just overlay mount my sd card on top Dec 12 10:24:55 yup. would be good if this were implemented standardly. Dec 12 10:25:08 but for now, having a 4gig SD card as my boot system just plain rocks. ;) Dec 12 10:32:17 torpor: I'm trying to get that up and working - but I can't seem to find a gcc package on ipkg list Dec 12 10:33:06 SpeedEvil: Maybe take the angstrom one? Dec 12 10:33:54 I followed the instructions at the bottom of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories to add the angstrom one - but ipkg list - after ipkg update - shows no new packages available Dec 12 10:34:27 Hmm.. torpor should know why Dec 12 10:34:31 * SpeedEvil notes _- confusrion problems Dec 12 10:34:41 SpeedEvil: http://celtune.morb-design.com/ipk/armv4t/gcc_4.1.2-r6_armv4t.ipk Dec 12 10:37:13 thanks! Dec 12 10:38:10 np Dec 12 10:41:52 SpeedEvil: thats the same one i used. Dec 12 10:41:58 i also added celtune to my repo list. Dec 12 10:42:17 how - I'm having problems with the syntax for that Dec 12 10:44:36 just make a celtune.conf file, put it in /etc/ipkg, add the server, away you go. Dec 12 10:45:37 or just do : cd /etc/ipkg; wget http://celtune.morb-design.com/celtune.conf Dec 12 10:46:34 that works too Dec 12 10:46:39 :) Dec 12 10:47:37 thanks Dec 12 11:14:57 morning Dec 12 11:24:48 kristian-m: indeed Dec 12 12:06:13 openmoko: 03sameo * r3635 10/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-ng/160-ar6k_ng.patch: ar6k-ng: mainline SDIO stack transition done, time to debug now... Dec 12 12:08:06 PC1->PC2->Neo, if i would like to get the Neo X application on PC1 via ssh, what should I do? Dec 12 12:08:55 i vaguely remember some ssh -l root -L 7777:neo:22 or something? Dec 12 12:08:59 ola Dec 12 12:09:44 ssh -X pc2 ssh -X neo Dec 12 12:10:52 XorA|gone, thanks Dec 12 12:30:39 hi Dec 12 12:48:05 openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r3636 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (8 files in 5 dirs): gsmd: 2nd try for retrieving PIN status (Erin Yueh) Dec 12 12:49:21 torpor: is there an ipkg with commonly needed header files? Dec 12 12:49:32 torpor: ah - I can just use slackware base Dec 12 12:54:45 mbuf, ATCommand - when i call lgsm_passthrough() it fails any idea ? Dec 12 13:16:00 * * OM Bug 1123 has been created by john_lee(AT)openmoko.com Dec 12 13:16:01 * * Major refactoring to the software development related wiki page Dec 12 13:16:02 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1123 Dec 12 14:02:36 root@fic-gta01:/media/card/linux-2.6.23$ make menuconfig Dec 12 14:02:38 :) Dec 12 14:02:46 hmm Dec 12 14:07:00 * * OM Bug 1124 has been created by john_lee(AT)openmoko.com Dec 12 14:07:01 * * automatic script to setup qemu network connection. Dec 12 14:07:02 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1124 Dec 12 14:14:34 SpeedEvil: you have a native toolchain, then? Dec 12 14:16:22 the openmoko emulator doesn't seem to be working Dec 12 14:16:51 i run "make qemu" Dec 12 14:17:01 and then i get the openmoko splash screen Dec 12 14:17:14 once the progress bar completes ; it just waits there Dec 12 14:17:17 mwester-road: in some ways yes. Dec 12 14:17:27 mwester-road: in more important ways - no. Dec 12 14:18:03 trying to work out which package has the gcc_s lib in Dec 12 14:26:36 * SpeedEvil fails. libgcc-s-dev has a link to the lib, but not the lib itself in. Dec 12 14:27:05 http://xkcd.com/356/ does anybody know the solution to that? Dec 12 14:28:50 * SpeedEvil watches a locomotive run CoreDump over. Dec 12 14:29:32 well, that was a serious question. I really would like to know the solution ;) Dec 12 14:29:54 CoreDump: i've been looking round. its non-trivial Dec 12 14:30:08 My guess is 1Ohm Dec 12 14:30:34 lowest resistance between the two is 3 ohm in three different pathes Dec 12 14:30:48 CoreDump: there seems to have been a paper in the AJP, but that $19 for the pdf Dec 12 14:31:27 http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=92564 is related Dec 12 14:32:04 CoreDump: 1Ohm could actually be right, accoridng to one argument i saw, but others refs have other answers Dec 12 14:32:21 * SpeedEvil happens to have 100 1 ohm resistors. Dec 12 14:33:54 robtaylor: I bet the xkcd guy knows the answer Dec 12 14:33:59 what a bastard =D Dec 12 14:34:09 CoreDump: http://arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/9909120 Dec 12 14:34:21 CoreDump: no, read the image alt tag :) Dec 12 14:34:47 I missed that =D Dec 12 14:35:55 FWIW I guess one could just measure it by connecting a 5x5 (or so) resistor grid Dec 12 14:36:10 that's not really a rigourous proof though Dec 12 14:36:20 infinnity doesn't matter here due to the lest-resistance law Dec 12 14:36:46 least resistance law? Dec 12 14:36:57 well, my technical english sucks ;) Dec 12 14:37:05 yes, it matters less as you go out, but it matters in the near field Dec 12 14:37:10 current always travels the way of least resistance Dec 12 14:37:25 I'd suspect large changes from 5*5 to 10*10 Dec 12 14:37:29 ..between two points Dec 12 14:37:34 it's not quite that easy Dec 12 14:37:45 I bet it is =) Dec 12 14:37:47 because it doesn't Dec 12 14:38:10 if you have a 1 ohm and a 2 ohm resistor in parallel, exactly half the current will flow in the 2 ohm one Dec 12 14:38:30 correct Dec 12 14:38:38 if in parallel Dec 12 14:38:44 CoreDump: apparetly the answer is (8-PI)/2*PI Dec 12 14:39:03 robtaylor: ouch Dec 12 14:39:08 if you have 1 ohm and 2 ohm in parallele current is not the same in both Dec 12 14:39:23 R[m_, n_] := 1/(2π) Integrate[1/t (1 - ((t - I)/(t + I))^(m + n) ((t - 1)/(t + 1))^Abs[m - n]), {t, 0, ∞}] Dec 12 14:39:26 voltage is the same but not current Dec 12 14:39:26 R[1, 2] Dec 12 14:39:29 (8 - π)/(2 π) Dec 12 14:39:33 holy shit dude Dec 12 14:39:59 jmichel_: of course, my bad Dec 12 14:40:24 robtaylor: where did you get that from? Dec 12 14:40:46 is there any way to use the neo as a bluetooth GPS? Dec 12 14:41:06 CoreDump: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/news/2004-10-13/google/ Dec 12 14:41:28 bedboi: do you mean as or with a BT GPS ? Dec 12 14:41:39 as Dec 12 14:41:57 bedboi: yes Dec 12 14:42:03 SpeedEvil: any info on that? Dec 12 14:42:06 bedboi: see the wiki under [[gps]] Dec 12 14:42:15 thanks Dec 12 14:42:20 CoreDump: its just pluging the appropriate values into the rectanglar lattice result in teh Cserti paper Dec 12 14:42:39 not that I understand that paper at all =) Dec 12 14:45:03 =D Dec 12 14:46:36 * mwester-road thinks there are some scary people on this channel. :P Dec 12 14:49:46 robtaylor: well, I (8 - π)/(2 π) is correct I was pretty close with my "1 Ohm" theory muhaha Dec 12 14:50:06 (0,78) Dec 12 14:50:21 CoreDump: heh, yeah, if you consider two adajent points, that comes out to be 1Ohm Dec 12 14:51:12 btw, I just gained 358x2 points, I win =D Dec 12 14:52:10 !logs Dec 12 14:52:11 Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: Dec 12 14:52:12 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko Dec 12 14:52:13 Live-logs are available at Dec 12 14:52:14 http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog Dec 12 14:52:16 See ?? help-logs for usage instructions Dec 12 15:10:41 Have you seen that the LiPS forum has announced their 1.0 specification today Dec 12 15:10:43 http://www.lipsforum.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=97&Itemid=165 Dec 12 15:11:06 I was wondering if there is any relation with OpenMokp Dec 12 15:11:53 jmichel_: We might know more about that after friday ;) Dec 12 15:12:03 CM: orly? Dec 12 15:12:43 Rumours.. We'll see :) Dec 12 15:14:49 CM: I'll wait then... Dec 12 15:15:00 3:) Dec 12 15:18:31 hey there, just got my gta01 and flashed novembers kernel and rootfs, however when i try ipkg update, i get some 404 errors for the following url: http://downloads.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/all/ Dec 12 15:18:39 any ideas? Dec 12 15:21:23 buz Dec 12 15:21:23 : Dec 12 15:21:38 micke y|lunch apparently broke something - he knows about it Dec 12 15:21:47 they may not be fatal Dec 12 15:22:08 Yeah, just ignore that :) Dec 12 15:23:15 read [[ipkg]] the bottom of [[repositories]] Dec 12 15:33:58 openmoko: 03mickey * r3637 10/tags/: add tags directory Dec 12 15:35:22 /me spreads caffeine all around Dec 12 15:35:29 <.< stupid space Dec 12 15:35:55 is gllin still the way to go with gps? Dec 12 15:36:01 openmoko: 03mickey * r3638 10/tags/repository-before-first-cleanup-2007-12-12/: tag repository before cleaning up Dec 12 15:36:06 Tek_Grmln, yes Dec 12 15:37:27 openmoko: 03mickey * r3639 10/trunk/oe/: remove oe directory. we no longer operate an OpenEmbedded overlay Dec 12 15:38:03 openmoko: 03mickey * r3640 10/trunk/doc/design-documents-v2/: remove outdated software design documents Dec 12 15:38:45 openmoko: 03mickey * r3641 10/trunk/src/target/tests/: remove outdated first application development tests Dec 12 15:39:06 openmoko: 03mickey * r3642 10/trunk/src/target/agpsd/: remove agpsd directory Dec 12 15:39:29 openmoko: 03mickey * r3643 10/trunk/src/target/mockups/: remove outdated mockups Dec 12 15:39:43 openmoko: 03mickey * r3644 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/: remove OpenMoko 2007.1 Dec 12 15:41:50 * CM hands mickey a cleaning maid outfit :D Dec 12 15:41:53 whooo a lot of cleanup Dec 12 15:41:56 hehe Dec 12 15:42:13 that was overdue Dec 12 15:43:18 so it looks like OM software starts is slowly finishing(starts to stabilize) ? Dec 12 15:43:30 or just cleanup before next party ^.^ Dec 12 15:43:57 who knows Dec 12 15:44:11 there will be some more focus on middleware Dec 12 15:44:59 anyways, need to go to a uni christmas party Dec 12 17:33:41 Sup3rkiddo, Dec 12 17:35:22 no_mind, piep? Dec 12 17:36:04 josch, few more mins Dec 12 17:36:15 np Dec 12 17:36:17 no_mind: Dec 12 17:36:22 josch: Dec 12 17:37:08 Sup3rkiddo, where ? Dec 12 17:37:26 #pymoko ? Dec 12 17:54:13 mtn: connecting to monotone.openmoko.org Dec 12 17:54:13 mtn: network error: failed to connect: Connection refused Dec 12 17:54:14 ack? Dec 12 17:57:24 anyone know how i can write to Michael? on the last update he asked for 850Mhz testers. I'm on 850Mhz country Dec 12 17:58:37 michael@openmoko.org Dec 12 17:58:51 thanks Dec 12 18:06:49 moprilo: Actually, the last update says he has more than enough testers.. Dec 12 18:09:16 hi all Dec 12 18:10:03 Heya New Bee Dec 12 18:10:23 hi Dec 12 18:10:31 i just got my neo 1973 and i sincerely want to contribute to this amazing project Dec 12 18:10:47 Well, you already did a major step then :) Dec 12 18:11:06 can somebody guide me to implement some kernel features Dec 12 18:11:49 Do you have experience with kernel development? Dec 12 18:12:06 yeah i do have experience in embedded systems Dec 12 18:12:50 In that case you'll most likely want to grab MokoMakefile and build the kernel, then modify it and work with it Dec 12 18:14:36 Are there any known todo's for u-boot/kernel ? Dec 12 18:15:53 new_bie: power management is a big "todo" area. There are also at least 2 important u-boot bugs that need to be fixed Dec 12 18:16:34 you can ask werner or andy i think Dec 12 18:16:52 are thes bug filed Dec 12 18:17:26 Yes, but I'd have to look up the numbers. One is a crash when booting from SD, the other that the system hangs on boot unless you use the "Aux" menu Dec 12 18:18:47 Bugs #799 and #887 Dec 12 18:18:59 thax mmontour Dec 12 18:24:00 * * OM Bug 1125 has been created by renatox(AT)gmail.com Dec 12 18:24:01 * * Auto-hide scrollbars on mokofingerscroll Dec 12 18:24:02 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1125 Dec 12 19:19:26 openmoko: 03zecke * r3645 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-feedreader2/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) Dec 12 19:19:26 openmoko: 2007-12-12 Holger Freyther Dec 12 19:19:26 openmoko: WebKitPage -> WebKitWebView Dec 12 19:19:26 openmoko: webkitglobal -> webkit Dec 12 19:19:26 openmoko: * src/feed-item-view.c: Dec 12 19:19:28 openmoko: (feed_item_view_init): Dec 12 19:19:30 openmoko: (feed_item_view_display): Dec 12 19:23:41 I have trouble connecting to the debug board at all.. Anyone have some hints? Dec 12 19:23:45 http://rafb.net/p/Fb376o65.html Dec 12 19:25:00 I get the /dev/ttyUSB0 and 1, but I can't connect to them with cu or minicom Dec 12 19:29:10 Ah, removing the devicename got me further :) Dec 12 19:30:08 openmoko: 03zecke * r3646 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-browser2/ (7 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) Dec 12 19:30:08 openmoko: 2007-12-12 Holger Freyther Dec 12 19:30:08 openmoko: Update to the recent API of WebKit/Gtk Dec 12 19:30:08 openmoko: WebKitFrame -> WebKitWebFrame Dec 12 19:30:08 openmoko: WebKitPage -> WebKitWebView Dec 12 19:30:09 openmoko: * src/browser-data.c: Dec 12 19:30:13 openmoko: (browser_page_new): Dec 12 19:38:39 Ok, how do I get into u-boot from the debug board? Dec 12 19:46:00 Hmm.. I'll just flash a new kernel and rootfs instead and try later Dec 12 19:52:54 damn Dec 12 19:53:05 UPS sucks Dec 12 19:53:39 i waiting for package with FPC, they send my package into katowice instead krakow Dec 12 19:53:47 Hehe Dec 12 19:53:51 so i will wait one more day Dec 12 19:54:20 CM: not funy , whitout FPC i can't unbrick my neo Dec 12 19:54:21 :S Dec 12 19:54:56 /s/whitout/whithout/ Dec 12 19:58:45 :( Dec 12 20:03:00 * * OM Bug 1126 has been created by milo_casagrande(AT)yahoo.it Dec 12 20:03:01 * * .desktop file is not translatable Dec 12 20:03:02 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1126 Dec 12 20:08:21 NineX: UPS trunks aren't making left turns any longer, so you're out of luck. Dec 12 20:11:53 hi there, i've just got a gta01 and was wondering if anyone knew if it was worth upgrading uboot? the uboot i have is 1.2.0-moko9_r8 Dec 12 20:12:10 slightly hesitant due to warning about bricking Dec 12 20:12:54 buzzinfly: it's the same like for PCs: never touch a running system :) Dec 12 20:13:27 if you don't specifically need new features or having problems with u-boot, you shoulnd't change it Dec 12 20:14:11 fair point. i was running ipkg update earlier this afternoon and a few 404 errors appeared, anyone else seeing this? Dec 12 20:24:38 http://pastebin.ca/813794 Dec 12 20:26:06 someone can tell me wtf ^^ Dec 12 20:27:36 * josch assumes that the url are not valid :-D Dec 12 20:27:52 josch: i know this Dec 12 20:27:55 :::::S Dec 12 20:28:08 hey CM bring that debug board with you when you go north. :) Dec 12 20:28:18 i might be tempted to do something drastic soonish Dec 12 20:29:39 damn i can't wait for FPC cable... to unbrick my neo and test some tricks Dec 12 21:11:36 xcasex: I can do that :) Dec 12 21:12:13 buzzinfly: And yes, that 404 is just a small mistake from om, don't worry about it :) Dec 12 21:14:08 but ipkg update bombs out after the 404s Dec 12 21:14:25 Oh, ok Dec 12 21:14:45 you can edit some conf files in /etc/ipkg/ Dec 12 21:14:58 Take a look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories Dec 12 21:15:01 * * OM Bug 1127 has been created by milo_casagrande(AT)yahoo.it Dec 12 21:15:01 * * Italian translation missing Dec 12 21:15:02 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1127 Dec 12 21:15:19 mtn: connecting to monotone.openmoko.org Dec 12 21:15:19 mtn: network error: failed to connect: Connection refused Dec 12 21:15:28 does anyone have the same problem? Dec 12 21:15:48 ahven: monotone.openmoko.org isn't that stable yet. I guess they're still updating Dec 12 21:15:55 ok Dec 12 21:15:57 I run against monotone.openembedded.org Dec 12 21:16:12 That's make update-bleeding-edge if you use the makefile Dec 12 21:16:54 fine with me Dec 12 21:16:55 thanks :) Dec 12 21:17:40 when i go to http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D it get "unable to connect" in browser Dec 12 21:17:55 buzzinfly: The buildhost is broken Dec 12 21:17:58 Physically Dec 12 21:18:08 And they're working on rebuilding it Dec 12 21:18:26 so the whole *.openmoko.org ? Dec 12 21:18:58 Try using ScaredyCat's repo instead, or the celtune ones Dec 12 21:19:16 No, wiki, www, lists and so on still work Dec 12 21:21:43 one other thing... Dec 12 21:22:26 i have a pin protected sim however the dialler does not seem to recognise this and just allows me to dial a number (which obviously doesn't work). Dec 12 21:22:39 buzzinfly: How old is your rootfs? Dec 12 21:22:57 It has been fixed recently, but it requires a fairly new build Dec 12 21:23:15 i used the kernel and rootfs from here http://downloads.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.11/images/ Dec 12 21:23:23 Ok, that's before the fix Dec 12 21:23:28 ah Dec 12 21:23:52 I'm running an image built yesterday by myself Dec 12 21:24:13 I don't have a pin, but another guy tried it and using the pin worked for him Dec 12 21:24:27 buzzinfly: http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/current/images/neo1973/ if you want to give it a try :) Dec 12 21:24:44 Just flash the old rootfs back if it doesn't work like it should Dec 12 21:25:47 i'm fairly new to openmoko (recieved it today) - what's the difference between the official builds and scaredycat / chooseopen Dec 12 21:29:39 mainly additional apps and maybe some patches and so on Dec 12 21:31:35 buzzinfly: Also, they're built with the latest svn versions of everything, but the official packages are locked at known to work revisions (Most of the time..) Dec 12 21:38:17 so looking at http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/?M=D, i'm confused which file to use Dec 12 21:39:44 has the new OpenMoko been released yet or is it delayed? Dec 12 21:40:07 see topic Dec 12 21:41:57 thomasg_: thanks ;) Dec 12 21:44:15 buzzinfly: Heh, I don't blame you. Usually you can use the first jffs2 image in the list, since they're in date order Dec 12 21:47:00 it's bizarre, the size of the first two tar files are twice as big as the .jffs2 files. but aren't the .tar compressed versions of the .jffs2 files> Dec 12 21:50:28 the tar fles are for advanced use, i.e if you have set up he moko to boot from sd Dec 12 21:51:01 jffs2 filesystems are compressed, tar files are not... Dec 12 21:51:44 ah yes, i'm getting .gz's mixed up again Dec 12 21:51:54 thanks for your help Dec 12 22:20:55 just used latest scaredycat build and phone just says registering... and complains about no network when dialling a number - i don't know how to specify a SIM PIN Dec 12 22:54:03 what's Michael Shiloh's email? Dec 12 22:54:52 Oh, nevermind, he has enough volunteers. Dec 12 22:54:56 michael@om Dec 12 22:55:01 ;) Dec 12 22:56:15 hey all Dec 12 23:02:30 hi Dec 12 23:02:43 RAH! Dec 12 23:05:20 RA is the Egyptians sun god Dec 12 23:05:51 Dec 12 23:06:34 can anyone help with gsmd, it seems my sim is not recognised Dec 12 23:06:57 i wouldn't recognise your sim either tbh Dec 12 23:07:15 I'll recognize *your* SIM! Dec 12 23:23:36 Should I expect buildhost.openmoko.org to be up? Dec 12 23:25:12 . Dec 12 23:30:01 nelson: What do you need from it? Dec 12 23:30:36 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv4t/gpsd_2.34-r5_armv4t.ipk Dec 12 23:35:55 nelson: I was hoping it would be available on http://downloads.openmoko.org but it's not - http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/ has it, however Dec 12 23:38:21 tnx. Dec 12 23:42:24 monotone.openmoko.org is down? Dec 12 23:44:26 NineX, same problem here. make update fails Dec 12 23:45:22 damn Dec 12 23:50:17 hi all Dec 12 23:52:34 I know its not right place to discuss this issue but i am curious to understand why __attribute__(signal , naked) is not used for ISR's Dec 13 00:02:30 i'm having difficulty getting the sim to recognise when i have the microSD inserted. it works fine without the sd card, sounds familiar to anyone? Dec 13 00:37:37 rwhitby: ping Dec 13 00:44:22 ljp: SYN|ACK Dec 13 00:44:43 have you tried gllin? Dec 13 00:45:24 been hectic at work, haven't got to that yet. Dec 13 00:45:54 (i.e. I downloaded, installed, filled the flash doing so, haven't got around to reinstalling an new image cause of buildhost issues) Dec 13 00:46:47 we cant seem to get a sat fix. even with an external antennae Dec 13 00:46:58 ljp: clear sky? Dec 13 00:47:14 ermm.. i would hope clouds dont interfere Dec 13 00:47:16 or ratehr - what sky conditions Dec 13 00:47:26 no - however,being inside buildings do Dec 13 00:47:49 you get NMEA output? Dec 13 00:47:56 yes, theres output Dec 13 00:48:15 next to a window Dec 13 00:48:24 you've tried it outside? Dec 13 00:48:27 even tried going outside Dec 13 00:48:32 windows can have anti-GPS coating Dec 13 00:48:35 oh well Dec 13 00:48:39 how long outside? Dec 13 00:48:51 it needs to be a few mins before it'll always get a lock Dec 13 00:49:01 ljp: I was able to get fixes on both bv3 and bv4 with the previous unofficial gllin. I even got my n800 to talk to it and display on maemo mapper Dec 13 00:49:06 I'd have to check to see what few is - I'd expec under a couple Dec 13 00:49:40 maybe the us has turned off the sats over australia due to the change of government ;-) Dec 13 00:49:51 ha.. likely Dec 13 00:50:07 local jamming? Dec 13 00:50:15 GPS jammers are available Dec 13 00:51:02 doubtful we are in a tech park with hema maps :) Dec 13 00:51:15 there have been reports of poorly installed GPS antenna cables Dec 13 00:51:16 or whatever they are called Dec 13 00:51:31 The thing takes a small eternity to get a fix if it doesn't know where it is; I had to leave it on a table outside my window for a lot longer than a few minutes to get the first fix. Dec 13 00:51:42 I'd open it up and check the routing of the grey cable from the GPS antenna to the mainboard Dec 13 01:12:15 It can take a long time to get a sync. I've had my garmin give up and ask me "Did you forget to go outside?? Fool!" Dec 13 01:12:33 heh Dec 13 01:15:13 well. it might be a bit difficult to develop an app if I have to be outside Dec 13 01:35:04 does anyone have any suggestions for a featurephone that can do similar things to the neo (from the network side) that I can enter into my provider to see what it does? Dec 13 01:42:02 SpeedEvil: ENOPARSE Dec 13 01:44:14 I dunno. my 'my account' website has ways to send configuration info to the phone. Dec 13 01:44:22 from t-mobile Dec 13 01:44:45 oh well - the site went down Dec 13 01:45:17 ah, right Dec 13 01:49:49 My build is broken at matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod, with a failure to apply fic-gta01-font-size.patch :( Dec 13 01:53:09 http://www.buglabs.net/products Dec 13 01:53:59 speedevil Dec 13 02:14:57 monotone.openmoko.org down again? Dec 13 02:55:53 openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r3647 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (3 files in 3 dirs): gsmd: move PIN name to both gsmd and libgsmd (Erin Yueh) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Dec 13 02:59:56 2007