**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 14 02:59:56 2007 Dec 14 04:21:30 anyone in the USA in here that has a moko? Dec 14 04:22:07 or rather neo 1973 i guess would be a better question Dec 14 04:25:31 There's a bunch in the us Dec 14 04:25:47 anyone actually using it successfully with gprs? Dec 14 04:36:09 reportedly, yes. Dec 14 04:36:50 any tangible info like a link or anything? Dec 14 04:37:05 ive tried like 10 diff sims (all ATT) with little to no success Dec 14 04:37:30 normal calls work fine? Dec 14 04:37:54 the one sim card that was able to make a call didnt have a data plan Dec 14 04:38:08 most of the time when i fire up libgsmd-tool -m sheel Dec 14 04:38:10 There are a couple of issues Dec 14 04:38:17 and try to list carriers i get nothing back Dec 14 04:38:25 A) 850Mhz band doesn't work due to spec problems - the phone is a triband Dec 14 04:38:51 B) some AT&T and perhaps other SIMs don't work properly in the phone and are not recognised Dec 14 04:39:06 so it works on 900, 1850 and 1900 ? Dec 14 04:39:37 From memory, yes Dec 14 04:39:56 yeh that would be the problem... Dec 14 04:40:08 were 850 Dec 14 04:40:21 anyone have a good 'this is how you integrate your application' / example source Dec 14 04:41:19 bkruse_home: if you have your stuff all compiled for the moko if you check out /usr/share/applications Dec 14 04:41:34 thats where the shortcuts are for the apps that show up in the launcher Dec 14 04:41:38 hec: got it. Dec 14 04:41:47 I want just start my own app Dec 14 04:41:57 I already have most the code, doing the whole 'gtk' thing, ugh lol Dec 14 04:42:05 hehe yeh i hear ya Dec 14 04:42:19 hec: thanks? Dec 14 04:43:52 did you grab the openembedded stuff? Dec 14 04:44:33 hec: yes, using the mokomakefile Dec 14 04:45:05 Has anyone gotten native toolchain working well? Dec 14 04:45:15 cc helloworld.c works just fine Dec 14 04:45:30 more complex stuff breaks. Dec 14 04:45:55 yeh i compiled my gps tracking code in C on it and fought a lot Dec 14 04:45:59 but i got it ported over Dec 14 04:46:21 so you can track the phone with the AGPS, but of course its of little value since I have to be tethered to a PC via USB Dec 14 04:46:36 :/ Dec 14 04:47:01 i have a device in my car that accomplishes the same thing, but I really wanted it on a device in my pocket Dec 14 04:47:48 I've used the trivial 'tail -f /tmp/nmea|grep GPGGA|ssh server port 'cat >/tmp/nmea'" to do remote stuff Dec 14 04:48:00 but that doesn't work so well if you don't have GPRS up and working Dec 14 04:48:31 yeh Dec 14 04:48:39 this is coming from the neo right now Dec 14 04:48:40 http://unstable.aset.psu.edu/cjh/gps/ Dec 14 04:48:59 am in not moving cuz im on my couch Dec 14 04:49:06 its much cooler when im driving around Dec 14 04:49:10 nice! Dec 14 04:49:37 its also kinda a bummer that that hammerhead chip doesnt report altitude Dec 14 04:50:17 the agps is cool though cuz it acquires in like 1 second Dec 14 04:50:23 even when im in the house Dec 14 04:50:32 unlike all my other garmin devices Dec 14 04:52:34 oh well... time for bed.. gotta get up early and get snow tires on my german bobsled of a bmw Dec 14 04:54:12 night all Dec 14 05:08:25 night nec, ty again Dec 14 05:49:24 oi oi Dec 14 05:50:25 :) Dec 14 05:50:29 morning Dec 14 05:50:30 mooooh Dec 14 05:50:34 raster! Dec 14 05:50:48 xcasex: ltns! Dec 14 05:51:05 raster: work, kept me busy, as did the divorce :( Dec 14 05:51:26 i saw pixelhead the other day too, he also split from his girl :/ Dec 14 05:51:35 hmmmmmmmmmmmmm divorce Dec 14 05:51:36 ouch Dec 14 05:51:46 yeah. life goes on :) Dec 14 05:52:08 More time for coding \o/ Dec 14 05:52:11 now i'm working at a consultancy firm doing, mostly, linux migrations and contract work :) Dec 14 05:52:42 hahahah Dec 14 05:53:24 and ehrm, playing with my neo :p Dec 14 05:55:23 raster: congrats on the new job btw Dec 14 05:55:32 :) Dec 14 05:57:21 still getting all set up Dec 14 05:57:52 i bet, heard from cobra you went offline w/o connectivity for a while :/ Dec 14 06:03:04 ye Dec 14 06:03:07 no adsl @ home Dec 14 06:08:49 raster: aye. so, rage, we need to port it over to the moko ;) Dec 14 06:17:47 xcasex: maybe Dec 14 06:17:54 thats not important atm though. Dec 14 06:20:23 raster: i kinda figured :p Dec 14 06:20:31 raster: btw did you hear about tokyos new gig? Dec 14 06:21:02 hmm Dec 14 06:21:03 no? Dec 14 06:22:01 raster: he's doing commercial e17 themeing ;) Dec 14 06:26:35 oooh - for gos/gpc? Dec 14 06:31:25 raster: yeah Dec 14 06:32:22 yeah - know about that Dec 14 06:32:23 :) Dec 14 06:33:02 cool :D Dec 14 07:09:31 hec: you don't use neo for that? Dec 14 07:16:47 mbuf, code get hang ups here lgsm_passthrough (lgsmh, buf, rbuf, &rlen) and for other functionality it work fine Dec 14 07:17:53 Atul__, everytime you run it? or occasionally? Dec 14 07:18:45 for each command to execute i run it . and for testing occasionally when i try for very first time it work fine now creates problem Dec 14 07:43:55 Hi all Dec 14 07:44:54 sorry to ask that but does anyone has up to date news about final release of GTA02? Is the room topic true :-( ? Dec 14 07:45:10 there's a topic? Dec 14 07:45:25 wow Dec 14 07:45:30 a topic Dec 14 07:45:35 :-) Dec 14 07:45:42 (that is sensible and worth reading) Dec 14 07:45:47 I mean room subject or I don't know how do you call that Dec 14 07:46:22 channel topic Dec 14 07:46:39 ok it's better :-) thx Dec 14 07:47:18 do you have any news so ? Dec 14 07:48:21 zittix: No more news than that Dec 14 07:48:35 no news Dec 14 07:48:39 i have no idea Dec 14 07:48:42 i just do software Dec 14 07:48:42 zittix: Keel looking in at the community update page in the wiki Dec 14 07:48:51 hardwaqre has its own world/timetable/blah Dec 14 07:49:04 it's sad :-( Dec 14 07:49:08 i get my info the same time everyone else does Dec 14 07:49:09 * CM hopes there will be no more hw issues Dec 14 07:49:19 I hope so too Dec 14 07:49:43 Thank you for your answers ! Dec 14 07:49:49 i hope so as well Dec 14 07:49:57 but i can't provide much info Dec 14 07:50:02 i do higher level userspace stuff Dec 14 07:50:07 so from my point of view Dec 14 07:50:15 i am waiting on working hardware Dec 14 07:50:23 :-) Dec 14 07:50:42 raster: Any special sw you're working on right now? :) Dec 14 07:50:58 maybe Dec 14 07:51:02 ;) Dec 14 07:51:05 I was hoping that there will be some hardware developers here.. Dec 14 07:51:25 zittix: unlikely Dec 14 07:51:39 zittix: They seem to mostly be .tw people, and even though there's some of them here they don't talk so much Dec 14 07:51:47 * CM assumes they're too busy ;) Dec 14 07:52:10 CM: yeah surely :-) Dec 14 07:52:22 they are all taiwanese and thus hanging in a channel that does english mostly is not the easiest thing for them Dec 14 07:52:24 but they do try Dec 14 07:52:39 CM: working hard to release there 2 months late phone Dec 14 07:52:42 zittix: Sometimes you can find some info in bugzilla, but you have to read a lot there to find it Dec 14 07:53:06 CM: ok I will try... Dec 14 07:53:43 raster: They do. tick and jserv-- usually talk some, and I've heard jouston and maybe someone more dare to talk too :D Dec 14 07:53:44 I have send an email to know if it is possible to get some working prototype of the current revision of th GTA02 for a university project but no luck, no answer :-( Dec 14 07:53:58 zittix: Why is gta01 not enough? Dec 14 07:54:06 CM: they are software :) not HW Dec 14 07:54:06 :) Dec 14 07:54:11 True Dec 14 07:54:31 CM: We will develop some VoIP solution through Wifi... Dec 14 07:54:45 zittix: Heh, ah, ok. Dec 14 07:54:47 zittix: i can tell you the answer will be 'no' Dec 14 07:54:52 Sorry, who is CM? Dec 14 07:55:02 zittix: we have few enough prototypes internally to share around Dec 14 07:55:16 jouston: Sorry for disturbing, I'm just hanging out here :) Dec 14 07:55:36 raster: sad :-( ! Do you have one ? Dec 14 07:55:41 yes Dec 14 07:56:04 zittix: Why don't you use a N800 or so instead? Dec 14 07:56:04 but it has hw bugs Dec 14 07:56:11 They're availible, with working wifi Dec 14 07:56:20 raster: do you think that the device could done some audio processing things with its actual cpu ? Dec 14 07:56:21 why do you NEED a neo to work on your software? Dec 14 07:56:30 CM: Oh well, you speak my nick name then that's why I ask. ;-) Dec 14 07:56:32 yes Dec 14 07:56:34 CM: don't know it.. Is it open ? Dec 14 07:56:37 the GTA01 can do it Dec 14 07:56:38 easily Dec 14 07:56:46 the GTA02 has a cpu double the speed Dec 14 07:56:51 (well double the clockrate) Dec 14 07:57:24 raster: mmhh great.. unfortunatly in march it will be too late :-( Dec 14 07:57:28 the GTA01 has all the cpu processing power u'd ever need for doing some fun audio stuff Dec 14 07:57:30 jouston: Just know you're a .tw guy, and we were discussing that some from the Taipei office are here and discuss things, and we like that. :) Dec 14 07:57:31 a lot of it Dec 14 07:57:42 zittix: why do you need the device itself Dec 14 07:57:48 just write the stuff on your desktop pc Dec 14 07:58:08 CM: Oh well. I am .tw and Raster is in .tw too. ;-) Dec 14 07:58:29 So i noticed, now at least he's got net access ;) Dec 14 07:58:33 raster: firtstly yes but then we have to test it on embedded devices.. Dec 14 07:58:41 CM, hi, thanks for pointing :-) Dec 14 07:58:43 * CM noticed that willie_chen is in the channel and might be a hw guy? Dec 14 07:59:05 * jserv-- was just back from factory to his office in Taipei. Dec 14 07:59:28 CM, willie_chen is the firmware/driver guy. Dec 14 07:59:30 jserv--: Oh, cool. Hope no more issues popped up, only good news.. :D Dec 14 07:59:41 Ok, thanks. Dec 14 07:59:59 CM, not bad. We finally have something cool produced well. :P Dec 14 08:00:13 * CM is happy for those news Dec 14 08:00:20 zittix: and why do you have to test it on an embedded device? Dec 14 08:01:19 (what i'm getting at is - the actual hardware isn't always needed - in fact it is mostly not needed except for drivers and final fine-tuning of performance. performance can be approximated on a desktop) Dec 14 08:01:47 And debugging and so on is just more tedious when you don't have a full desktop Dec 14 08:01:56 yup Dec 14 08:02:00 raster: because one goal of our project is to do audio source localization with multiple microphone. ANd the idea was to use wireless embedded device to simulate this microphone which are at lower cost Dec 14 08:02:03 i would do 99% of my dev on the desktop Dec 14 08:02:06 and i do Dec 14 08:02:29 zittix: emulate with pc's and laptops Dec 14 08:02:37 when doing development Dec 14 08:02:52 when the phone comes out - then u just have a smaller "pc" Dec 14 08:03:11 (that is arm not x86 based) Dec 14 08:03:11 raster: yes that's what I was thinking Dec 14 08:03:36 you can do your work "assuming" the end target device will appear Dec 14 08:03:54 you can simulate perfromance roughly by playign with cpufreq on a laptop as well as acpi cpu throttling Dec 14 08:04:10 raster: sure :-) but if assuming mean Februrary or before it would work but if it after that, the timeline will be too short Dec 14 08:04:20 all you need is some form of benchmark on the desktop and a benchmark on the/a similar device Dec 14 08:04:24 then you can approximate it Dec 14 08:05:50 zittix: unfortunatly we have to evaluate it in real and not trying to approximate it :-( it is quite boring for that :-( Dec 14 08:06:19 oups sorry I meant raster ;-) Dec 14 08:07:00 zittix: Then do get N800's Dec 14 08:08:02 even that is an approximation Dec 14 08:08:23 zittix: we have done audio source localization with multiple microphone with our very simple robot: http://www.e-puck.org/ Dec 14 08:08:26 CM: do you know if it is "open" ? Dec 14 08:08:50 zittix: Never heard of Maemo and scratchbox? Dec 14 08:09:08 zittix: It's basically running linux with gtk libs, so yes.. Dec 14 08:09:23 zittix: Nokia N800 Dec 14 08:09:39 i can tell you now a 1.8ghz core2 duo laptop needs to run at about 1.3ghz @ throttling level 7 to approximate an n800's 300mhz TI cpu Dec 14 08:09:39 They're fairly chep, now that the N810 is out Dec 14 08:09:55 CM: I heard a little but I didn't know that it was open Dec 14 08:10:30 CM: so what do you asnwer to the question "differences between N800 and GTA02" :-) ? Dec 14 08:10:54 raster: How did you do your approximation :-)? Dec 14 08:11:10 zittix: N800 is a bit less open, have no gsm, and no gps, but is availible now and have wifi Dec 14 08:11:15 Longfield: excellent project :-) Dec 14 08:11:40 CM: ok thanks good way to investigate Dec 14 08:13:05 zittix: thanks ... I actually only did a bit of software for a few peripherals, and tests ... but one of these was sound localization with the two microphones we have on the robot Dec 14 08:14:09 Longfield: mmh, impresive. I'm at the EPFL too :-) Dec 14 08:14:56 zittix: benchmarking Dec 14 08:15:36 I just tried the latest ScaredyCat image and I found one design flaw: when the orientation is switched, the main menu (from power button) doesn't scale well Dec 14 08:15:58 is it possible to select the keymap for the virtual keyboard? Dec 14 08:16:09 it's missing some important characters Dec 14 08:19:30 ruxpin: Which ones are missing? Dec 14 08:21:28 CM: I can't find the chooser for the keymap, so I only see the US one. I'm scandinavian and missing å, ä and ö Dec 14 08:21:52 Aha, vet inte heller hur man ska fixa det Dec 14 08:21:57 :) Dec 14 08:24:07 good morning Dec 14 08:31:50 thanks for your appreciated help guys Dec 14 08:31:51 bye Dec 14 08:34:03 CM, do you know how closed the n800 hardware is? I know that a few apps are proprietary but do the hardware need binary drivers? Dec 14 08:34:37 guys, does http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D work for you? Dec 14 08:38:48 hhf423: Doesn't work, server broke down a while ago Dec 14 08:39:13 josch: No, don't know about the hardware drivers, but I do think all of them are open. Dec 14 08:39:15 has anyone filed a bug or shall I? Dec 14 08:39:25 hhf423: They know of it Dec 14 08:39:27 hhf423 take a look at http://buildhost-migration.openmoko.org .. but thats only temporary.. Dec 14 08:39:45 buildhost died and got replaced, but its not everything there yet afaik. Dec 14 08:39:56 it will be renamed back to buildhost Dec 14 08:40:18 ah Dec 14 08:40:24 so no need to file a bug Dec 14 08:40:52 hhf423: just spam file til they fix it :P Dec 14 08:42:17 bah, just filed a bug Dec 14 08:42:35 ACTION sets the topic to The OpenMoko Project - http://openmoko.org - Neo1973 GTA01 on sale at https://direct.openmoko.com || Do not ask about GTA02 (Maybe March as of last update - yes, that's with WiFi, and no, there's no cam). Latest official update is at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates, we dont know about any issues with buildhost.openmoko.org if it wont load for you please file a new bug so we can see how widespread the proble Dec 14 08:42:40 its proper procedure anyway. every problem must have a paper trail. Dec 14 08:42:57 :) Dec 14 08:43:00 * * OM Bug 1134 has been created by hndispatch-hhf423(AT)yahoo.de Dec 14 08:43:01 * * repository buildhost.openmoko.org down / not accepting connections Dec 14 08:43:02 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1134 Dec 14 08:43:03 hahaha Dec 14 08:43:48 Mek: Cool kde hack on scap, what's your plan with that? Dec 14 08:44:26 CM: not sure yet, this was more just to see how difficult it would be Dec 14 08:45:12 Ok. Was it slow? Dec 14 08:46:13 some things weren't very responsive, but most of the stuff worked quite smooth Dec 14 08:47:14 :) Dec 14 08:47:42 but it all does use quite a sizable portion of my sd-card (I think about 250MB totally) Dec 14 08:47:47 :) Dec 14 08:48:11 * CM wonders why bugzilla doesn't have some small links on each bug page Dec 14 08:51:23 CM: put a bug in :-) Dec 14 08:52:35 hhf423: Hehe.. Maybe i should :D Dec 14 08:55:09 is there a ipk for GPSdrive? Dec 14 08:55:28 or whatever this is: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/29653a1a042a742f01e36a9bc39db426.png Dec 14 08:58:58 ~curse ewl_pdf for never compiling Dec 14 08:58:59 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, ewl_pdf for never compiling ! Dec 14 09:01:28 mmmm canel fleas Dec 14 09:01:28 yum Dec 14 09:03:23 raster: If you have any hint where i should look, please tell: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3467 Dec 14 09:04:09 It's like some header file with the DCHECK_ macros are missing Dec 14 09:04:44 hmm Dec 14 09:04:50 wrong version of poppler Dec 14 09:05:03 Ah, ok. :) Dec 14 09:05:16 i think epdf support 0.6 Dec 14 09:05:29 poppler changes api between versions Dec 14 09:05:55 ~blame poppler instead of e Dec 14 09:05:57 * apt blames poppler instead of e (and Canada) for all the evil in the world Dec 14 09:06:29 hahahah Dec 14 09:06:58 <- in Canada :o Dec 14 09:07:41 ~tank Southpart for Blame Canada Dec 14 09:07:47 bah.. thank.. Dec 14 09:46:06 muahahah http://xkcd.com/327/ Dec 14 09:48:46 yeah, love that one :) Dec 14 09:50:57 hhf423, it's the best one ever, you should read all the 1337 series... anyhow: http://xkcd.com/356/ Dec 14 09:51:45 * CM likes Bobby Tables.. ;)= Dec 14 09:53:06 340 is also funny, especially the mouse over comment Dec 14 09:54:07 Yeah, brilliant guy Dec 14 09:54:38 And slightly disturbing to me that he's born in 1984 Dec 14 09:54:45 wow Dec 14 09:56:55 a guy in here solved 356 two days ago. Dec 14 09:57:31 the solution is ~0.78 Dec 14 09:58:43 CoreDump: You mean found it on wolrfram.com? Dec 14 09:58:45 ;) Dec 14 09:58:53 all hail the power of google =) Dec 14 09:59:06 Hehe, for sure Dec 14 09:59:36 * CM points to number 10 at http://mathworld.wolfram.com/news/2004-10-13/google/ Dec 14 10:00:54 ich heise robert und ich habst ein grosse schvanzen? :) Dec 14 10:01:27 Was?? Dec 14 10:01:33 kommen zu vater CM Dec 14 10:01:39 Hehe Dec 14 10:01:44 hehe :p Dec 14 10:01:49 <-- bored Dec 14 10:02:10 <-- boredest Dec 14 10:02:40 CM: know of any ftp clients that look like mc? Dec 14 10:02:50 anyone can paste me into prv default u-boot env content ? Dec 14 10:03:11 xcasex: gftp Dec 14 10:03:13 NineX: I'd be interested in that too.. Dec 14 10:03:43 CoreDump: cli Dec 14 10:03:48 hi Dec 14 10:03:49 ugh Dec 14 10:04:06 xcasex: What Dec 14 10:04:14 's wrong with ssh? :) Dec 14 10:04:29 i cant very well GET with ssh funnyman Dec 14 10:04:31 ssh & scp are your friends. Using ftp on *nix machines is rather painful IMO Dec 14 10:04:57 scp funnyman:/some/file . ? Dec 14 10:05:07 ftp should be banished from everywhere Dec 14 10:05:15 exactly Dec 14 10:05:19 Well, guess tftp can be ok ;) Dec 14 10:05:20 okay girls Dec 14 10:05:25 hehe Dec 14 10:05:45 this is not what i asked, but i'm glad you two found some common ground for some verbal mansechs. Dec 14 10:06:33 * CoreDump avoids ftp whenever he possbily can *shrug* Dec 14 10:07:11 there were times I rather used "nc" than this ftp sh*t ;) Dec 14 10:07:34 CM: devirginator works Dec 14 10:07:41 CM: i fixed my neo Dec 14 10:07:57 bot only i need to orginal menu Dec 14 10:08:02 xcasex: If you're bored, here's a very political incorrect and sometimes offending web comic: http://www.explosm.net/comics/1112/ Dec 14 10:08:10 NineX: Oh, ok. Hmm.. Dec 14 10:08:26 NineX: I never did get the devirginator working. What config did you use? Dec 14 10:08:43 CM: LOL Dec 14 10:09:05 took a second to sink in tho ;) Dec 14 10:09:33 CoreDump: There are many good ones there, if you like the somewhat odd humor Dec 14 10:09:36 http://pastebin.ca/815731 Dec 14 10:09:43 CM: ^^ Dec 14 10:09:53 NineX: Thanks Dec 14 10:10:28 NineX: Did you have the devirginator config too somewhere? Dec 14 10:10:53 CM: better Dec 14 10:11:31 i must fix only splash Dec 14 10:11:37 CM: no Dec 14 10:11:47 Ok Dec 14 10:11:47 i edditet lot of things Dec 14 10:11:51 Same here Dec 14 10:12:00 Tried to use the files I had on disk Dec 14 10:12:13 But I got some weird "scheme" error message Dec 14 10:12:21 And found nothing more about it Dec 14 10:12:31 Have to try again this weekend Dec 14 10:13:16 I do not get the joke with the cup and the light music Dec 14 10:13:35 do I have to watch youtube or something to get it? Dec 14 10:13:54 hhf423: Some jokes are just too weird Dec 14 10:14:47 that's a joke you don't want to get... :) Dec 14 10:15:33 hehehe Dec 14 10:15:44 Or http://www.explosm.net/comics/1090/ Dec 14 10:15:46 * CoreDump - thankfully - never saw the real video Dec 14 10:16:13 * CM stops procrastinating for a while Dec 14 10:17:23 I get the feeling that I do not want to get it. but I still wonder :-) Dec 14 10:18:51 Save yourself some horrible mental images and stop wondering =) Dec 14 10:21:43 hhf423: Guess you wonder about tubgirl and goatse too, but trust me just don't. (Someone recently sent me a link to a youtube tubgirl music video.. ewww...) Dec 14 10:24:48 * CM wonders how mickeyl saying to LiPS :) Dec 14 10:24:55 nah Dec 14 10:25:00 Pff.. how/what Dec 14 11:15:20 there is someone who have gta01bv4 and can provide printenv from they u-boot ? Dec 14 11:15:54 is that not in the wiki? Dec 14 11:17:27 hhf423: i dont found it Dec 14 11:17:44 and devirginator installs quite different configuration Dec 14 11:18:03 i whana have configuration like in factory new model Dec 14 11:18:18 I have made a few mods, but nothing major Dec 14 11:18:47 can you show me? Dec 14 11:19:09 except I removed "console=ttySAC0,115200" from bootargs_base Dec 14 11:19:25 yes, I can connect to ubott and pull it for you Dec 14 11:20:12 hhf423: so show me please :) Dec 14 11:22:39 here you go Dec 14 11:22:40 http://pastebin.ca/815775 Dec 14 11:23:39 as said, I removed one argument from bootargs_base and I added two menu's for enabling fast and autofast charging if you want to use a dumb charger Dec 14 11:24:45 dumb ? like motorolla ? Dec 14 11:25:28 like my dumb ipod usb charger Dec 14 11:26:07 with the fast menu I can go into ubott and force the phone into fast charge Dec 14 11:28:34 how to clear env? Dec 14 11:29:15 you don't Dec 14 11:29:22 it would screw up u-boot badly Dec 14 11:30:40 you have to overwrite line by line i think Dec 14 11:31:41 fwiw, devirginizer can flash a clean env from scratch. You might want to checkout how it is done Dec 14 11:49:45 what is pcf50606_init1 ? Dec 14 11:51:54 when is March Dec 14 12:00:43 openmoko: 03chris * r3650 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (8 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) Dec 14 12:00:43 openmoko: * src/sms-compose.c: (page_shown), (page_hidden): Dec 14 12:00:43 openmoko: Connect to delete/delete-all button clicks (doesn't do anything yet) Dec 14 12:00:43 openmoko: * src/sms-contacts.h: Dec 14 12:00:43 openmoko: * src/sms-contacts.c: (page_shown), (page_hidden), Dec 14 12:00:45 openmoko: (notify_visible_cb), (visibility_notify_event_cb), (unmap_cb), Dec 14 12:00:48 openmoko: (nophoto_filter_func), (delete_clicked_cb), Dec 14 12:02:04 yo Dec 14 12:16:58 x/clear Dec 14 12:29:04 CM: http://pastebin.ca/815815 <- u-bootenv **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 14 12:32:08 2007 Dec 14 12:33:16 moin Dec 14 13:21:57 re Dec 14 13:30:27 er Dec 14 13:34:32 what is the minimum free disk space on flash for openmoko to work correctly? Dec 14 13:35:13 1m? Dec 14 13:35:18 under that sort of range Dec 14 13:37:24 hmm, ok ... thanks ... Dec 14 13:43:21 ha Dec 14 13:43:27 my neo is unbricked Dec 14 13:43:35 NineX congrats! Dec 14 13:43:39 :> Dec 14 13:43:42 josch: :> Dec 14 13:44:07 he! Then it wasn't a proper brick in the first place; you'll have to try harder! :P :D Dec 14 13:44:14 Hehe Dec 14 13:44:23 ~congreatulate NineX Dec 14 13:44:29 �h, I can't spell today Dec 14 13:44:44 hihi CM said Äh hihi Dec 14 13:44:59 ~tickle josch Dec 14 13:45:00 * apt jumps on josch, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" Dec 14 13:45:05 Ha! Dec 14 13:45:06 oh noes!! Dec 14 13:45:17 * CM thinks apt is a bit gay Dec 14 13:45:17 * mwester-road purchased the debug board, which (in accordance with Murphy's Law) has ensured that he has never needed to use it despite the number of uboot flashes he's done... Dec 14 13:45:23 hi, i have trouble to register at projects.openmoko.org, can someone take a look into the logs? :D Dec 14 13:50:38 * SpeedEvil looks into a roaring log fire. Dec 14 13:52:45 That's "tea leaves" you're supposed to be reading, SpeedEvil, not the fireplace. Dec 14 13:53:05 * SpeedEvil prefers coffee grounds. Dec 14 13:53:30 emdetewhat kind of trouble Dec 14 13:55:52 roh: i registered, got the mail, clicked the link, logged in and got a messing telling me (in german) invalid operation, account is in use Dec 14 13:56:06 s/messing/message/ Dec 14 13:56:07 emdete meant: roh: i registered, got the mail, clicked the link, logged in and got a message telling me (in german) invalid operation, account is in use Dec 14 13:59:50 Hi all , how should i remove top cover to connect jtag cable ? Dec 14 14:00:08 i finding it difficult to remove top cover Dec 14 14:00:13 * am Dec 14 14:00:14 it is explained in the wiki Dec 14 14:00:25 new_bie: hammer Dec 14 14:00:42