**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 15 02:59:57 2007 Dec 15 03:08:54 Okay, I'm confused. The Packages in my feed has the same md5sum as the .ipkg in my feed, and yet ipkg says "Package gnash md5sum mismtach. ..." Dec 15 03:20:23 grrrr Dec 15 03:20:30 pcmciautils STILL screws up on build Dec 15 03:20:30 grrrr? Dec 15 03:20:51 y'know, I've ALWAYS hated pcmcia. Shall we form a club? Dec 15 03:21:02 hehehehehe Dec 15 03:21:09 yes Dec 15 03:21:19 it jsut filld 15gb of my disk with build log Dec 15 03:21:24 before i caught it Dec 15 03:21:30 and killed it off Dec 15 03:21:40 A gig here, a gig there, pretty soon you've got some serious disk. Dec 15 03:21:50 no Dec 15 03:21:55 this was a single 15g file Dec 15 03:33:28 argh! I do this: md5sum /var/www/openmoko/armv4t/libsdl-1.2-0_1.2.9-r2_armv4t.ipk Dec 15 03:33:38 and I get this: 6e1f04e0576b090f8070865bdc4742f9 Dec 15 03:34:06 I do this: wget http://192.168.0.201/openmoko/armv4t//libsdl-1.2-0_1.2.9-r2_armv4t.ipk Dec 15 03:34:20 and I get this: 549718f055e987203ac05d7020998945 Dec 15 03:34:54 The files are the same size. Dec 15 03:35:10 So it's not a question of some lame-ass LF -> CRLF conversion. Dec 15 03:36:31 If I scp the 5497... version of the file back, I get the same md5: 5497... Dec 15 03:36:53 md5 again? Dec 15 03:36:57 ,aybe you have cpu probs Dec 15 03:39:04 I looked at the files. For whatever reason, wget it including the HTTP header. Dec 15 03:39:26 odd. Dec 15 03:39:40 wget bug. Dec 15 03:40:22 which seems to affect ipkg as well. I fully expect that ipkg is just spawning off a wget. Dec 15 03:41:02 Not my problem. Somebody else will fix it, I'll rebuild the openmoko image, and I'll have a different bug tomorrow. Dec 15 03:41:09 Are you sure it's not your webserver? Dec 15 03:41:33 always a possibility Dec 15 03:41:39 because wget has never done that for me Dec 15 03:42:19 Ha! yep, it's Apache .... now to figure out why. Dec 15 03:42:43 Gives me the same error when I fetch it locally. Dec 15 03:42:49 tnx for the buggestion. Dec 15 03:44:44 * CM goes to bed Dec 15 03:52:46 Apache was confused about the file's mime type. Dec 15 03:53:05 Somebody Was Too Helpful(tm) Dec 15 06:48:55 I can't wait that long :-( Dec 15 07:27:26 hmm... I'm a bit confused with bitbake... can anyone shed some light...? Dec 15 07:27:33 question... Dec 15 07:27:42 there are 2 dirs openmoko and openembedded Dec 15 07:27:59 both have packages dir Dec 15 07:28:19 trunk/oe/packages Dec 15 07:28:28 and openembedded/packages Dec 15 07:28:44 what does bitbake do 1st? Dec 15 07:30:04 look in openmoko/trunk/oe/packages or oe? Dec 15 07:30:47 set -x 4 me... Dec 15 07:43:58 anyone here? Dec 15 07:44:15 hallo... Dec 15 07:44:18 ppl Dec 15 07:44:22 well most of us are sleeping atm I think :-) Dec 15 07:44:29 wakeup:) Dec 15 07:44:40 josch help me plz:)... Dec 15 07:44:48 sounds desperate..? Dec 15 07:44:52 what is it? Dec 15 07:45:50 how do I compile a simple hello world gtk program? Dec 15 07:45:54 I have the hello.c file Dec 15 07:45:58 I made the bitbake file Dec 15 07:46:00 there is a wiki page about this Dec 15 07:46:03 but can't link to gtk/gtk.h Dec 15 07:46:09 where? Dec 15 07:46:28 if it's on the openmoko website it doesn't work 4 me... Dec 15 07:46:29 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_a_hello_world_application Dec 15 07:46:35 yep it doesn't work Dec 15 07:46:43 the cross compiling fails 4 me Dec 15 07:46:58 i can bitbake a simple helloworld.c Dec 15 07:47:08 and transfer it to the phone Dec 15 07:47:16 but can't figure out how to include gtk Dec 15 07:47:20 well I cannot help you more then this - maybe you look into some other apps how they did it Dec 15 07:47:20 libs Dec 15 07:47:30 yep but bitbake is 2 confusing:) Dec 15 07:48:24 but there are like 4000 examples you can learn from Dec 15 07:48:30 I also did it this way Dec 15 07:48:31 yep:) Dec 15 07:48:54 maybe check back later when everyone is awake here but I did mostly python Dec 15 07:49:06 1sec... Dec 15 07:49:17 take openmoko-calculator_svn.bb 4 example Dec 15 07:49:36 there are 2 of them ... Dec 15 07:49:42 1 in openembedded/packages Dec 15 07:49:51 and the other in openmoko/trunk/.... Dec 15 07:49:58 which 1 get's called 1st? Dec 15 07:50:15 I think it's the one in openembedded which matters Dec 15 07:50:26 but the sources are in the trunk.... Dec 15 07:50:30 but to do your own code you have to create a local overlay anyway Dec 15 07:50:47 can't I just cross compile it? Dec 15 07:51:21 you can crosscompile it and just copy it, of course Dec 15 07:51:24 ok Dec 15 07:51:34 but also consider using bitbake: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course Dec 15 07:52:47 yep but there the source files is kept in packages/myhelloworld/files Dec 15 07:53:05 I haven't seen that in anyother packages... Dec 15 07:53:54 how would I add gtk to the .bb example ? Dec 15 07:54:45 I'd say just by adding some gtk stuff to DEPENDS in your bb file Dec 15 07:54:58 tried gtk+ and it didn't work Dec 15 07:57:00 I'm really sorry intransit but I'm not very into the whole openembedded+bitbake stuff :-( Dec 15 07:57:34 np ... I appriciate u trying 2 help me Dec 15 07:58:18 I'd help more if I'd time right now but unfortunately I'm a bit in a hurry :-) Dec 15 07:58:49 don't rush...:) Dec 15 08:03:00 /tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/myhelloworld-1.0-r0/myhelloworld.c:1:21: error: gtk/gtk.h: No such file or directory Dec 15 08:03:10 plz it's such a silly holdback 4 me...:) Dec 15 08:03:12 help Dec 15 08:05:42 where are the $CFLAGS....? Dec 15 08:08:50 intransit: the oe tree contains over 4000 examples. I'm pretty sure that a few minutes of grep'ing will show you how to set the flags to your desire ;) Dec 15 08:09:10 CoreDump: what you think I'm doing...:) Dec 15 08:09:19 but I like quick... Dec 15 08:09:20 fast Dec 15 08:09:46 grep -r gtk . >mamamia Dec 15 08:09:50 :) Dec 15 08:11:08 wouldn't grepping for "-I" make more sense? Dec 15 08:11:21 it was a joke Dec 15 08:11:31 * CoreDump just woke up... Dec 15 08:11:42 morning Dec 15 08:11:52 heh, morning Dec 15 08:13:23 Sat Dec 15 10:13:27 IST 2007 Dec 15 08:22:55 anyone here? Dec 15 08:23:11 CoreDump? Dec 15 08:29:00 * SpeedEvil is not here. Dec 15 08:29:11 * SpeedEvil is watching gcc compile. Dec 15 08:32:39 success:) Dec 15 08:33:02 now for the fun part:) Dec 15 08:33:03 * SpeedEvil wonders how long it'll take. Dec 15 08:33:54 morning Dec 15 08:35:15 SpeedEvil: it's all in your mind... it can take seconds and it can take 4ever...:) Dec 15 08:35:25 in fact is it compiling:)? Dec 15 08:36:39 12427 root 25 0 15188 10m 2060 R 84.4 8.6 0:05.10 cc1 Dec 15 08:36:49 ISLE OF MAN - June 1, 2006 - At a press conference today, Canonical CEO and Free Software spokesnigger Mark Shuttleworth announced the immediate availability of version 6.06 of the Ubuntu Linux distribution. The latest version, known by its code name, "The Diaper Drake," includes special features designed to make Linux easier and more comfortable for niggers the world over. Dec 15 08:36:50 "Niggers have always had trouble understanding new technology," Shuttleworth began. "Computers are no exception. Some people have said this is because niggers are dumb, but I believe the real problem is that technology has traditionally been designed for white people. Ubuntu changes all that. It was developed from the ground up with niggers in mind. It will usher in a whole new era of Afro-ergonomic computing." Dec 15 08:36:50 Shuttleworth presented an overview of some of the features users could expect in the latest version of Ubuntu, including an Ebonics-to-English converter, African "tribal beats" sound and desktop theme, and a collection of rap music and gay pornography, "which of course will be encoded using patent and royalty-free formats," Shuttleworth added, smiling. He proceeded to elaborate, but OpenOffice.org Impress crashed a Dec 15 08:36:55 "But this release isn't just about new features," Shuttleworth said, making a quick segue to the humanitarian and ideological concept behind Ubuntu. "This new version brings black men closer together than ever in the spirit of Ubuntu." Shuttleworth then demonstrated the concept of Ubuntu by getting on his knees and sucking a young black boy's erect penis. Dec 15 08:37:08 using the gcc ipkg - I'm having some odd problems so I'm trying a native compile Dec 15 08:37:11 4 niggers:) Dec 15 08:37:40 black devil Dec 15 08:37:43 I want to castrate a niggger and fry his balls before eating them. Then I can fuccck my little niggger biitch faaagg every night. ....Pumpin my dildo til he bleeds. Niggger eunuchs for my muff ohhh yeahh Dec 15 08:37:56 "" Dec 15 08:38:23 NOTE: build 200712151034: completed Dec 15 08:42:09 mickeyl: please assign more operators, this retard is visiting a few times a week... Dec 15 08:44:05 lysol went on in great detail about the planning and execution of this marvelous victory for Gay Niggers everywhere. "It took us about 17 months of hard planning, about $20 USD and a lot of Holy Gay Nigger Seed (HGNS)." President Timecop commented in the same press conference. DiKKy Heartiez was unavailable for comment, but available for display, swimming in a aquarium filled with HGNS. Dec 15 08:44:06 lysol went on in great detail about the planning and execution of this marvelous victory for Gay Niggers everywhere. "It took us about 17 months of hard planning, about $20 USD and a lot of Holy Gay Nigger Seed (HGNS)." President Timecop commented in the same press conference. DiKKy Heartiez was unavailable for comment, but available for display, swimming in a aquarium filled with HGNS. Dec 15 08:44:17 GNAA spokesperson lysol told the world press the real story of the ASSASINATION of TV hero Steve Irwin today at a press conference in Teheran, Iran. "The stingray that sodomized and anally penetrated the world known australian crocodile-fucker, releasing its vast amounts of deadly stingray semen, was in fact not only a nigger, as can be seen quite clearly on the photographs, but a GAY NIGGER. The Gay Nigger DiKKy H Dec 15 08:44:18 The operation took place because Steve Irwin was not the TV hero he was portrayed to be. lysol explained that "Steve irwin was an EVIL man, plotting in secret with the jews to take over the world and eliminate all gay niggers. It was therefore Imparative that we carried out this operation, if not the world would be dominated by Evil Jewish Females, also known as "jax". Dec 15 08:44:24 nigbot Dec 15 08:44:31 mission complete Dec 15 08:44:35 beep timecop Dec 15 08:44:39 Must bt google. Or apple. Dec 15 08:44:40 beep timecop Dec 15 08:44:56 plotting in secret with the jews to take over the world and eliminate all gay niggers Dec 15 08:45:31 ....:) Dec 15 08:47:00 0 staff members online... Dec 15 08:47:33 they like me too much to kline me Dec 15 08:57:26 hmm - he insulted Steve Irwin. Now he's got me mad. Dec 15 09:21:46 mickeyl: are you online? Dec 15 09:23:17 anyone know how to catch Michael on irc? Dec 15 09:30:09 wait until he comes online? Dec 15 09:30:24 yo Dec 15 09:47:59 whats up with the latest servers? Dec 15 09:48:09 do we get new conf files for the new main public servers or what? Dec 15 09:59:56 hi all Dec 15 10:00:03 is the build host still down? Dec 15 10:02:28 mohamed: they are workin on new build host Dec 15 10:04:06 new shiny buildhost Dec 15 10:05:44 is Google's Android is a competitor for OpenMoko? Dec 15 10:08:04 kindof, they will be a competitor when/if they start shipping something usable Dec 15 10:08:21 that's by own opinion only :p Dec 15 10:08:28 *my Dec 15 10:18:22 hi Dec 15 11:23:20 Is it correct that openmoko-messages2 only segfaults? I tried many revisions, but all i got was segfault! Dec 15 11:47:08 hi all Dec 15 12:21:53 ipkg question - is there a way to find which package provides a file - if I do not have it installed. Dec 15 12:22:07 specifically math.h Dec 15 12:25:39 SpeedEvil: for f in *.ipk; do (ar p $f data.tar.gz | tar tz | grep math.h && echo found in $f); done Dec 15 12:26:02 I trink that assumes I've got the package. Dec 15 12:26:21 SpeedEvil: the Packages lists don't include file info for uninstalled packages, so I think there is no way but to search them yourself. Dec 15 12:26:21 I tried providing the include files for gcc myself by using a slackware package Dec 15 12:26:30 unless somebody implements a nice web interface on the feed hosts. Dec 15 12:26:34 header include Dec 15 12:27:22 however, I've just tracked the problem I've been having down to there being x86 asm in the include filres Dec 15 12:27:36 whcih cause things to explode at random points. Dec 15 12:29:31 math.h belongs to glibc normally Dec 15 12:29:36 or rather libc Dec 15 12:30:02 so I'd be looking for *libc*dev ipkg I guess Dec 15 12:30:15 yup, i think so Dec 15 12:40:35 SpeedEvil: http://celtune.morb-design.com/ipk/armv4t/libc6-dev_2.5-r8_armv4t.ipk contains a math.h Dec 15 12:42:21 thanks Dec 15 12:42:40 you are welcome Dec 15 13:08:00 Thanks - it now compiles stuff it diddn't before, so progress! Dec 15 13:51:39 hi Dec 15 13:54:28 why the backtrace function is not working properly in OM Dec 15 13:54:41 it just prints the library name.. Dec 15 13:55:27 If i buy a devboard with the gta01, wil the devboard be compatible with gta02? Dec 15 13:55:33 do you have -dbg packages installed? Dec 15 13:55:33 yes Dec 15 13:55:35 goxboxlive: yes Dec 15 13:55:46 future compatibility with GTA03 is not certain though AIUI Dec 15 13:55:52 GTA03/... Dec 15 13:56:04 However. Dec 15 13:56:09 dbg of glibc? Dec 15 13:56:15 Almost nobody needs a debug board for GTA02 Dec 15 13:56:23 As there is an emergency flash chip Dec 15 13:56:36 which you can't write without a debug board Dec 15 13:56:56 you cannot - in theory - screw it up in ways you can't recover - without the aid of a debug board. Dec 15 13:57:15 and if you have a debug board to screw it up, you presumably have one to recover it Dec 15 13:57:41 SpeedEvil: so you are saying drop the devboard and just buy the phone? Dec 15 13:57:49 gob: not quite Dec 15 13:58:03 goxboxlive: for GTA01 - it's handy if you're hacking on uboot Dec 15 13:58:18 gob: for most users and kernel developers I'd say it's nice, but not needed. Dec 15 13:58:26 But what if i screw things up , can i buy only the debugborad? Dec 15 13:58:33 goxboxlive: it's basically only needed if you screw up u-boot. Dec 15 13:58:54 well Dec 15 13:59:04 it improves low level debugging Dec 15 13:59:13 since you got that serial port Dec 15 13:59:29 OK, but if i want dualboot (qtopia/openmoko) do i have to do anything with uboot to have it? Dec 15 14:00:57 As I understand it, no. You can boot any OS using u-boot. Dec 15 14:01:31 While I wish Qtopia and OpenMoko would share more of the middleware, they at least share kernel and u-boot right now. Dec 15 14:01:59 ok, i order just the phone then. I saw the gta02 where delayed once again, so i dont want to wait anymore. Dec 15 14:04:18 http://insecure.org/stf/Nmap-4.50-Release.html 10years Dec 15 14:04:19 Also - you can - worst case - if you do brick your phone - post it to someone else in the area for unbricking, or arrange a visit. Dec 15 14:04:23 (if there are) Dec 15 14:07:05 I need som help: When i shall choose shipping option. What's the diffrences here: Saver or Worldwide shipping. Saver is most expensive Dec 15 14:07:08 let me recommend to buy the debug board now Dec 15 14:07:15 it may not be available in the future Dec 15 14:07:34 (_may_) Dec 15 14:07:57 since gta02 does not need it Dec 15 14:08:03 Hmm. I was already considering selling them. Dec 15 14:08:08 (strictly speaking) Dec 15 14:08:14 (a clone) Dec 15 14:08:20 heh Dec 15 14:08:39 why does gta02 not need debug board? Dec 15 14:08:48 because it's got recovery flash Dec 15 14:08:58 you break it, you recover it from the recovery flash Dec 15 14:09:10 yeah!...a sort of rescue dick? Dec 15 14:09:14 though details of that haven't been revealed. Dec 15 14:09:16 disk.. Dec 15 14:09:23 basically, yes. Dec 15 14:09:27 so good! Dec 15 14:09:38 mickeyl: ok, i'll do that. Dec 15 14:09:55 great job guys...keep rocking! Dec 15 14:12:04 done, a adv. gta01 is orderd. :-) Dec 15 14:12:50 what's teh current buy-ship delay? Dec 15 14:14:52 got mine last month within 4 days (yes, I ordered a gta01... don't ask) Dec 15 14:15:42 :) Dec 15 14:16:06 I suspect you were less surprised than most as to the quality of the screen :) Dec 15 14:16:46 yeah, i was spoiled a bit by preproduction models ;) Dec 15 14:17:00 i noticed a new feature though Dec 15 14:17:05 the Neo1973 has bluetooth! Dec 15 14:17:09 :) Dec 15 14:17:25 SpeedEvil: WHat about the quality, isent it as good anymore? I thought the screen where outstanding Dec 15 14:17:56 I'm planning on 'properly' adding bluetooth to my laptop soon. (internal USB2 hub, cut-off-short PCMCIA USB card, ...) Dec 15 14:18:09 goxboxlive: most people are astounded as to the 'real' quality of it. Dec 15 14:19:08 ok Dec 15 14:19:30 Just as nobody (typically) has seen a 300dpi screen Dec 15 14:20:04 wow, i thought my treo was a bit silly with 200ish dpi Dec 15 14:20:14 i was a bit worried about dropping it Dec 15 14:20:18 well - 285 Dec 15 14:20:18 it's rather heavy for aphone Dec 15 14:22:27 ofdd - swapoff -a doesn't seem to work... Dec 15 14:25:06 (In that I mkswapped a file on an ext2 /media/card, swapon'd, then swapoff -a'd and deleted the file. Dec 15 14:25:34 when I came to copy stuff to the card, I found the space still in use, and /proc/swaps listing the deleted fiel as in use Dec 15 14:40:17 is the buildhost down? Dec 15 14:42:19 yes Dec 15 14:46:32 yay! down! Dec 15 14:46:33 :) Dec 15 14:47:52 raster: down? Dec 15 14:48:13 doooooooooown Dec 15 14:48:15 hey raster Dec 15 14:48:57 phlintphour it died and got replaced by buildhost-migration, which will be renamed to buildhost soon Dec 15 14:50:42 roh: hoi hoi Dec 15 14:50:43 :) Dec 15 14:56:50 ok thanks, jsut wanted to make sure Dec 15 14:57:11 my school has been blocking all kinds of site lately and jsut wante dot make sure this wasnt the latest block Dec 15 15:04:00 anyone else have a problem with sound not working with the newest image? Dec 15 15:08:03 Could anyone remind me where the kernel patches to go from stock 2.6.23 to working OM kernel are? Dec 15 15:09:37 "https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/" Dec 15 15:09:48 ah - thansk1 Dec 15 15:13:35 Whats the status of the GSM firmware user util for the GTA01? Dec 15 15:13:47 KrisAbsinthe: to be released Dec 15 15:13:51 or ratehr Dec 15 15:13:57 the status is undecixded Dec 15 15:14:19 the tool works, there are 'just' legal problems Dec 15 15:14:33 As usual. Dec 15 15:15:27 Laws have been holding back technology for twenty years. im sure they always will Dec 15 15:15:49 * SpeedEvil stabs all copyright extension lobbyists. Dec 15 15:15:59 lol Dec 15 15:16:09 (not that they have anything to do with it in this particular case, just on general principles) Dec 15 15:16:13 KrisAbsinthe: depends. itll keep holding corproations and organisations and the people back as long as everyone behave like sheep. Dec 15 15:16:33 now if peoplerealised that a law with no solid gound with the people isnt much of a law Dec 15 15:16:43 unless you have siezable assets. Dec 15 15:16:57 SpeedEvil: feel free to stab those fuckers anytime, especially nelsons friend esr Dec 15 15:17:10 i like how you think Dec 15 15:17:11 If you're a large corporate, you can't skirt many laws. Dec 15 15:17:38 sometimes it isnt just about the money. sometimes you can wrangle yourself out of mostly anything. Dec 15 15:18:48 I think that the states need to play catch-up with europe anyway, I wouldnt be im this GSM mess if it werent for old ass technology Dec 15 15:37:23 Anyone have bets on time for a kernel to build natively? Dec 15 15:37:34 I'm thinking somewhere around 3-4h. Dec 15 15:38:03 6 Dec 15 15:38:27 depends on if you did the 266 jump or not. but im sure your estimate is about right Dec 15 15:38:36 stock Dec 15 15:38:43 not overclocked :) Dec 15 15:39:13 omap is sw oc'd, arm is unpossible to sw oc right? Dec 15 15:39:15 CM: ding ding Dec 15 15:39:20 xcasex: no Dec 15 15:39:35 xcasex: there are PLL registers that can be tweaked to make it go faster Dec 15 15:39:38 what ipkg did you get for dev tools, when i try i get massive errors durring compilation Dec 15 15:39:47 KrisAbsinthe: basically. Dec 15 15:40:10 KrisAbsinthe: follow the instructions in the wiki to add repositories Dec 15 15:40:22 the instructions at the bottom of the Repositories]] page Dec 15 15:40:23 then Dec 15 15:40:37 install anything matching *ompile* Dec 15 15:40:38 SpeedEvil: o rly? Dec 15 15:40:55 then force-remove libc6-dev and force-add Dec 15 15:41:02 (it may have been corrupted in my case) Dec 15 15:41:35 you of course need to put stuff on a card or NFS Dec 15 15:41:35 cool. Im porting blackbox. Dec 15 15:41:47 np: BlackBox - Ride On Time. Dec 15 15:42:20 dunno if it's working - but root@fic-gta01:/media/card/src/linux-2.6.23$ find . -name "*.o"|wc Dec 15 15:42:20 68 68 1782 Dec 15 15:43:41 also I installed binutils, diffutils Dec 15 15:44:07 i dont like the way SD is used, I *should* be able to run kernel from nand and just change my path to reflect /media/card/, right Dec 15 15:44:30 It's not quite that simple - but yes you can. Dec 15 15:45:41 i can boot from SD but I have to use the aux menu in u-boot. in fact my phone will not boot from nand unless i use the aux menu and select boot. Otherwise it will juist freeze on the OM screen Dec 15 15:46:15 that's usual with the last u-boots :P Dec 15 15:46:34 ah thx Dec 15 15:46:47 since august, if I remember Dec 15 15:47:57 well then, a minor problem, I like being able to communicate with the GSM chip in u-boot. I will deal with that Dec 15 16:34:41 wife had windows machine hooked up. HAD to switch Dec 15 17:42:17 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3716844 Dec 15 16:49 zImage Dec 15 17:42:17 root@fic-gta01:/media/card/src/linux-2.6.23/arch/arm/boot$ Dec 15 17:42:20 :) Dec 15 17:43:12 that was not to bad lol Dec 15 17:43:44 indeed - that's what - an hour and a half? Dec 15 17:44:20 yeah, when i started using linux it took my desktop that long, damn 8086's Dec 15 17:45:06 1h 2 min CPU Dec 15 17:45:12 1h 16min realtime Dec 15 17:45:26 kinda good time really Dec 15 17:45:31 I dont even know what a 8086 is Dec 15 17:45:31 that's quite reasonable. Dec 15 17:45:49 8086 was the chip in the first PCs, clocked at 4.77Mhz Dec 15 17:46:09 It was about the equivalent of a modern processor clocked at .2Mhz Dec 15 17:46:10 good for undernet and gopher chat lol Dec 15 17:46:16 my first computer was a 486 without the co processor... Dec 15 17:46:22 8086 is evil curse on processors Dec 15 17:46:37 i miss the old BBS days sometimes though Dec 15 17:46:41 nothing wrong with the 8086. Dec 15 17:46:59 it all started around it >.> Dec 15 17:47:07 As a basis for a more complex processor - well, it's not great. Dec 15 17:47:31 But nowhere in their wildedst dreams would the IBM team have believed 10 billion PCs sold. Dec 15 17:47:34 (guess) Dec 15 17:47:46 geeze.. bbs people.. how did I miss IRC all my life? Dec 15 17:48:38 lol. before the internet was affordable BBS was a way to tunnel for $20 a year lol Dec 15 17:48:57 * SpeedEvil tries to work out when he got on tinternet. Dec 15 17:49:18 where did you BBS? Dec 15 17:49:23 CIX - uk - but they diddn't start out with an internet gateway Dec 15 17:49:46 Chatnet was a great BBS and Chashire , Ohio Dec 15 17:50:11 telenet was cool.. Dec 15 17:50:35 there used to be a big list on all the BBSes of all the other ops in the area Dec 15 17:50:58 the days when hacking was still a "Socially acceptable" word Dec 15 17:51:05 hahah Dec 15 17:51:07 I think prolly 119 Dec 15 17:51:09 oops Dec 15 17:51:16 I think prolly 1991 Dec 15 17:51:23 usenet first Dec 15 17:51:28 (leading to >100K posts) Dec 15 17:51:37 I think I was like 11 Dec 15 17:52:02 Internet was expensive then, now i get 100 times the bandwidth for half the cost lol Dec 15 17:52:19 I have had 600 quid quarterly phone bills. Dec 15 17:52:26 1995 ish Dec 15 17:52:31 that was what... Dec 15 17:52:34 I remember wanting to know how to hack to crash AOL 3.1 Dec 15 17:52:37 $1200? Dec 15 17:53:19 I remember how to mkake an OH account on AOL lol dont work anymore but was fun then Dec 15 17:54:10 Alright I love to chat but I gotta Openmoko question... Dec 15 17:54:20 :) Dec 15 17:56:02 go ahead Dec 15 17:56:21 I thinmkk my first usenet post was jan 1991 Dec 15 17:56:34 (not on OM) Dec 15 17:57:19 Alright... I am haveing problems getting the device to connect to the interent through the computer Dec 15 17:57:37 BT or USB Dec 15 17:57:50 SUB Dec 15 17:57:51 USB Dec 15 17:57:55 Win or Linux Dec 15 17:58:02 Linux.. Ubunut Dec 15 17:58:13 its on my desktop. Dec 15 17:58:30 no Dec 15 17:58:31 ? Dec 15 17:58:57 Ubuntu, its on my desktop. give me a second to type out directions Dec 15 17:59:06 <_diego__> have u looked on wiki.openmoko.org? Dec 15 17:59:23 yea... I can ssh in... but no interent acess.. Dec 15 17:59:31 with update Dec 15 18:00:17 you have to setup the route on the desktop and edit your MOKO/etc/resolv.conf and add the nameserver Dec 15 18:01:12 if you have a linksys router its probably 192.168.1.1 for the nameserver Dec 15 18:01:20 Okay.. I have tryed all of this, but I did something stupid like try to plug up 2 monitors, and crashed my system... so maybe I am come to you guys prematurly... Dec 15 18:01:35 its a netgear, and is still 192.168.1.1 Dec 15 18:02:05 I had to format and reinstall cause I am a noob :) Dec 15 18:02:26 everyone has to start somewhere Dec 15 18:03:07 I used to like slackware, but ubuntu is soo user friendly Dec 15 18:03:17 ssh to the moko and try to ping your router . if you can its the nameserver, which over writes its self every time Dec 15 18:03:33 Ubuntu has a good module(driver) base Dec 15 18:04:14 i like debian and Ubuntu is based on it, siI like it Dec 15 18:05:14 KrisAbsinthe: wha? Dec 15 18:05:43 * so I like it Dec 15 18:09:50 how do I edit files on the neo? Dec 15 18:09:57 vi Dec 15 18:10:15 derekcorwin: ipkg install nano ;) Dec 15 18:10:21 do you know how to use vi Dec 15 18:10:31 nano is good too Dec 15 18:21:41 okay save and exit vi? Dec 15 18:24:35 derekcorwin: :wq Dec 15 18:25:02 or shift-z twice Dec 15 18:33:18 I think adding a RS232 cable to the neo would be cool Dec 15 18:34:01 why? :) Dec 15 18:34:53