**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 16 03:00:02 2007 Dec 16 04:31:38 openmoko: 03rwhitby * r171 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Only check out trunk and developers from openmomo. Thanks to cesarb Dec 16 05:00:28 wtf march ? Dec 16 05:00:37 ..... Dec 16 05:00:38 hits head Dec 16 05:01:44 ah wait wasn't the gta02av5 put out a bit ? to test ? Dec 16 05:12:14 Hello, has the libmokopim in the framework been implemented or not ? Dec 16 05:19:41 school time Dec 16 05:25:58 finally! Dec 16 05:26:10 my pac kages are building from MY source tree Dec 16 05:26:24 ]not some cvs anon checkout or tarball http snarf Dec 16 09:01:27 ok where is the new info reg the extra delay added to the date ? Dec 16 09:01:59 basicaly hardware delays Dec 16 09:02:54 mmm oh really ? Dec 16 09:03:07 with the wifi card ? Dec 16 09:08:38 No - there are known problems - no 850Mhz band, power managment, and other stuff I think wrong with GTA02v4 Dec 16 09:08:59 a trial is being made on gta01 phones for a fix for the 850Mhz band Dec 16 09:09:18 oh the powermanagement ? Dec 16 09:09:28 and if that works OK, v5 of the 02 version will be made Dec 16 09:09:28 - so why do we need the 850mhz band? Dec 16 09:09:34 much of america Dec 16 09:09:57 ...? Dec 16 09:10:38 yeah but for how long ? Dec 16 09:11:01 won't you they be moving to the 1900 and 1800 bands anyway ? Dec 16 09:11:14 Not soon enough, if they are Dec 16 09:11:20 lol Dec 16 10:35:16 The US isn't going to be moving to 1800. Dec 16 10:35:27 They have a lot of 1900. Dec 16 10:35:48 But a lot of it depends on who has spectrum where. Dec 16 10:36:20 I have a gta01 and will be moving to the usa in 4 months Dec 16 10:36:39 the gsm where I'm going is 1900 Dec 16 10:36:51 T-mobile is 1900 only, AT&T seems to be 1900 in bigger areas and 850 in smaller areas. Dec 16 10:37:18 T-mobile is the provider I'll be using Dec 16 10:37:23 I realized that what I *really* want is a neo1973 with concurrent dual SIM support. Dec 16 10:37:51 When I'm travelling, one roaming and one local. Dec 16 10:37:58 what you need is a sim emulator Dec 16 10:38:18 gopi_ well. will not happen Dec 16 10:38:26 You mean, extract the keys? Dec 16 10:38:49 the group of people who is ready to pay twice the price for a mobile phone is so small that just nearly no vendor builds such phones. (oh wonder) Dec 16 10:39:02 roh: will I have to hack up the battery panel, thicken it, and add an embedded GPRS module to it? :) Dec 16 10:39:19 and just forget hacking the card. thats not possible for a vendor of such a phone, especially not for sale Dec 16 10:39:48 roh: I went to a place selling imported chinese crap (not implying it's all crap...this place was specifically not export grade quality) and they had a surprisingly large collection of concurrent dual SIM phones. Dec 16 10:39:49 roh: I suspect that's not actually the case, if you could put it into public conciousness - a fair number of people would like a phone with two radios. Dec 16 10:40:14 gopi_ well. i do not believe anybody reasobable would want a device with twice the power-consumption and much more bulky. Dec 16 10:40:21 roh: I think that the ability to intelligently switch between two SIMs would be *really* nifty. Dec 16 10:40:32 same with sat-phones. yes they are bulky, yes they are cool, no we do not build one just for fun Dec 16 10:40:43 roh: twice the power consumption? 5 days vs 10 days standby. So? Dec 16 10:41:02 roh: I've seen dual SIM phones that were smaller than the neo1973. Dec 16 10:41:08 SpeedEvil still you will only find a few thousand people who pay wrice the price. Dec 16 10:41:23 roh: The Linux side would not be duplicated. Dec 16 10:41:31 goyes. and these phones satuarte the dual-sim market nicely Dec 16 10:41:42 the linux side is the easy part. Dec 16 10:41:50 Incoming call on the expensive roaming SIM? Bounce it and promptly return the call on your roaming SIM. Dec 16 10:41:57 Incoming SMS is often free when roaming. Dec 16 10:42:34 roh: Is there any way to do it other than two independent GPRS radios? Dec 16 10:43:06 thats all nice theoretical usecases.. but yet i do not believe anybody will make a realistic businesscase of such a nice-market Dec 16 10:43:28 gopi_ nope. wither 2 radios or only one sime booked in at a time Dec 16 10:43:31 -e Dec 16 10:44:37 roh: I'm not trying to make a business case right now. I just realized when I was looking at the dual SIM phones that intelligent bridging of the two would make them damned useful, and that without that it would be quite annoying to effectively use them. Dec 16 10:46:14 roh: adding an internal connector with a UART on the back, placed to permit us hacking types to add what we want, along with a bigger back panel for internal additions of whatever we could think of, either this, or some other nifty hardware, would, IMHO, let some people add interesting stuff. Dec 16 10:47:24 gopi_ we currently have i2c spi and an irq-capable gpio on the debug connector Dec 16 10:47:47 the difficult part is the audio and the serial. Dec 16 10:47:59 The onlt real problem with the debug connector is lack of USB and power Dec 16 10:48:05 other than that, it's fine. Dec 16 10:48:20 audio is not on extra pins (no free in/out) but the bluetooth has a audio-line which you could abuse Dec 16 10:48:31 usb is also on the bt module Dec 16 10:48:59 on gta02 the serial is not shared anymore between the modem and the console, so you could use the console line for a second modem. Dec 16 10:49:16 However as I understand it it's highly non-trivial to access, as there is no FPC connector for the BT module Dec 16 10:49:18 A GeekPort™-like connector on the neo1973 would really push me over the edge. Dec 16 10:49:53 power is much more complicated. the gta01 and 02 are only calculated for one modem. a second one will need loads of power which the pmu cannot handle. so you need to connect to vbat and go to add a second pmu with switching power-converters (for efficiency) Dec 16 10:50:23 SpeedEvil BT is on a fpc, its just soldered Dec 16 10:50:54 soldered below the display on the board, then folded around onto the shielding case of the arm9 Dec 16 10:51:34 so in absolute theory you could add and connect all neccessary components.. you just need to be a bit crazy and have loads of time Dec 16 10:51:52 yes, but it's utterly useless to sell people a kit Dec 16 10:51:55 roh: I'm a lot crazy but I don't have much time... Dec 16 10:52:09 you can't sell them a kit which simply plugs in and adds stuff. Dec 16 10:52:19 if it requires soldering Dec 16 10:52:52 SpeedEvil ack Dec 16 10:52:55 roh: is there any chance that a nice geek-friendly connector would be able to appear on GTA03? Dec 16 10:53:31 gopi_ well.. we really hope so. Dec 16 10:53:57 we put on the one we have what was usefull and possible without extra parts and pcbspace Dec 16 10:54:08 thats why no usb, serial or power is on there. Dec 16 10:54:24 we just did not have one spare Dec 16 10:55:29 wait have the power issues on the v1 sorted ? Dec 16 10:55:44 roh: what about a fatter back panel? I've often seen those from third parties for cellphones, so it seems like they're doable at moderate volumes. Dec 16 10:55:49 All you need is to include a robust small easy to connect to, misalignment tolerant, cheap connector, with all the possible signals on it :) Dec 16 10:56:59 gopi_: most have stalled due to tooling and quantity difficulties. Dec 16 10:57:13 gopi_: and some due to technical problems. Dec 16 10:57:18 SpeedEvil: Oops, I forgot to add misalignment tolerance on my list for Santa, thanks. Dec 16 10:57:38 gopi_: many of the objectives are hard to do in a kit that has to be installable by users. Dec 16 10:58:08 Especially that's got to be not too expensive in volumes of dozens. Dec 16 10:59:38 SpeedEvil: I know, I know. I'm OK with an expensive and hard to solder connector, and I don't mind having to add my own power management foo. Dec 16 11:00:41 I came up with a 'least bad' stuff for an extension back pinout list. I forget what it was. Dec 16 11:01:16 USB, i2c, vbatt, gnd, and a few others Dec 16 11:01:51 Odd. Dec 16 11:02:01 the busybox tar keeps saying 'bad magic'. Dec 16 11:02:43 oh well, just install big tar I guess. Dec 16 11:04:25 the one and only time I made a call on my phone the 2nd party complained of echo Dec 16 11:05:08 is there an echo canceling thing in the sound hardware? Dec 16 11:05:28 Oryn: no Dec 16 11:05:42 well - sort-of Dec 16 11:05:53 I'm not sure if it was internal or if the mic was picking up the speaker Dec 16 11:05:54 you should not get echo Dec 16 11:06:21 it's not impossible that the audio was misconfigured Dec 16 11:06:34 the audio system is _horribly_ complex. Dec 16 11:06:40 SpeedEvil, I didn't, it was the other end that could hear themselves Dec 16 11:07:59 i think it was made worse by the fact that the other person was some distance away Dec 16 11:09:53 some 4200 miles :P Dec 16 11:27:03 after disabling gsmd autostart I get notifications saying "Not searching" what does this mean ? Dec 16 12:02:58 after disabling gsmd autostart I get notifications saying "Not searching" what does this mean ? Dec 16 12:07:28 matsimoto: it means that gsmd is no started so phone will not regoster into a netwoerk Dec 16 12:07:50 NineX: ile placles za sziping? Dec 16 12:08:17 NineX: but who issues this message ? the panel applet or ... ? Dec 16 12:09:03 univac: univac jakos 150 USD dolicz jeszcze do tego clo - ja zaplacilem 255PLN cla) Dec 16 12:09:28 :o! Dec 16 12:09:28 damn some one hast to screw webkit... some headers are missing :S Dec 16 12:09:33 damn some one hast to screw webkit... some headers are missing :S Dec 16 12:10:27 just compile FF :) Dec 16 12:10:45 SpeedEvil: ? Dec 16 12:11:05 * SpeedEvil wasn't being serious. Dec 16 12:11:13 damn Dec 16 12:11:17 hmm Dec 16 13:05:52 "Maybe March" now? bah. I want it now :P Dec 16 13:11:51 * SpeedEvil ponders putting in the topic. Dec 16 13:12:32 hehe Dec 16 13:12:44 if only irc clients could render that :P Dec 16 13:12:55 * SpeedEvil installs more animals on his phone. Dec 16 13:12:58 (bison) Dec 16 13:14:13 * balrog-kun wonders if pig is packaged in OE Dec 16 13:14:49 gi-el: thank god it doesn't, mirc is bad enough heh Dec 16 13:15:20 heh Dec 16 13:15:28 haven't touched mirc in ages Dec 16 13:15:33 must've been 8 years Dec 16 13:17:29 hm, looks like linux-openmoko has an undeclared dependency on uboot-openmoko or something like that Dec 16 13:21:42 * NineX workin on irssi for openmoko Dec 16 13:22:02 still try to figure out why irssi segfauts on exit Dec 16 13:29:24 Easy solution. Dec 16 13:29:27 Don't exit. Dec 16 13:33:33 there is awk, bison, yacc, ar, ... Dec 16 13:33:38 Hmm. Dec 16 13:33:47 * SpeedEvil contemplates a pig audio filter. Dec 16 15:24:14 hey all Dec 16 15:24:22 hi Don Dec 16 15:25:16 I know the rules about asking about the GTA02 but... anyone know a place I can find an updated timeline? Dec 16 15:25:24 you can't Dec 16 15:25:33 literally nobody has one Dec 16 15:25:42 doh! Dec 16 15:25:46 This waiting is killing me Dec 16 15:25:53 As a basic timeline. Dec 16 15:26:21 The final board revision candidate is unlikely to be within a couple of weeks Dec 16 15:26:36 how is the software shaking out on the 1973? Dec 16 15:26:57 I just read the wiki and it said the "GTA02 will have to wait" Dec 16 15:27:14 which page was that Don? Dec 16 15:27:33 then maybe another couple of weeks to make a dozen or so, another couple of weeks to test them, a couple of weeks to make 50 or so, a couple of weeks more to send these out to external testers, a month to test, another couple of weeks to make a new batch for consumers, and a couple of weeks to ship them out Dec 16 15:28:06 http://planet.openmoko.org/ Dec 16 15:28:06 which adds up to quite a lot of weeks. Dec 16 15:28:15 Assuming that it all works in this next board rev Dec 16 15:29:42 ah well, so long as it's worth the wait :) Dec 16 15:29:45 I just wish there was some guage. I wanted this in October, the December, then late December... Now I don't know what to do Dec 16 15:30:17 I'm sure it will be. worth the wait but I just wish I knew how long I had to wait! Dec 16 15:31:04 so.... how is the software shaking out on the 1973? Dec 16 15:31:40 is it out yet? is it out yet? is it out yet? Dec 16 15:31:48 ... Dec 16 15:34:04 * peh crawls into the freezer like Cartman Dec 16 15:34:49 cartman's in the freezer? Dec 16 15:35:20 ajbrun: there was a double-episode where he couldn't stand waiting for the Nintendo Wii, so he froze himself Dec 16 15:35:27 ah yeah Dec 16 15:35:28 lol Dec 16 15:36:38 if only it were that simple. Dec 16 15:37:26 got to go snowblow some of this foot of snow away Dec 16 15:37:38 ahhh life in New England Dec 16 15:37:46 l8tr all Dec 16 15:39:59 we have no snow in old england :( Dec 16 16:08:57 It was quite a while ago about the audio: the echo is caused by the phone. If you manually change the settings in alsamixer turn down the amplification and up the actual audio volume to 1 red bar it sounds great, gets rid of that crappy airy sound too Dec 16 16:10:29 record the numerical value of each thing you change and edit the gsmhandset.state file to reflect your changes, that way will will be permanent Dec 16 16:16:06 no GTA02 Dec 16 16:16:11 that is so gay Dec 16 16:18:14 has the project been abandoned? or set back untill the GTA01 works right? Dec 16 16:18:46 KrisAbsinthe: what, no why should it be abandond ? Dec 16 16:19:22 the other side hears itself in an echo Dec 16 16:19:33 I hear them without it Dec 16 16:19:45 It should not be abandoned, but there is still work to be done for the GTA01 Dec 16 16:20:04 what's wrong with the gta01? Dec 16 16:20:32 Yes, i edited the alsa settings wile on the phone with my wife, if you do what i typed earlier it ends the echo Dec 16 16:20:49 isn't that a software problem tho? Dec 16 16:21:01 the gta01 isn't supposed to be released Dec 16 16:21:11 ajbrun: Software is unstable and the GSM 850 is a problem Dec 16 16:21:24 which is why the gta02 will be released Dec 16 16:21:33 and the software is bound to be unstable Dec 16 16:21:40 it's not been released yet Dec 16 16:21:45 officially Dec 16 16:22:57 Right, I was only commenting on gambler saying that there is no GTA02. I was asking if the project was ended or just taking longer, I will be buying the 02 Dec 16 16:23:47 i think he meant no gta02 yet Dec 16 16:23:52 or in december Dec 16 16:24:17 Oh ok, I cant wait. I will be using VOIP with the WiFi Dec 16 16:24:30 topic says could be march tho Dec 16 16:25:10 ajbrun: it says maybe march. Dec 16 16:25:29 which could mean anything :) Dec 16 16:25:39 "could be" == "maybe" == "might be"? Dec 16 16:25:41 Yeah, ill keep the 01 cause I love the phone but I may add a WiFi USB adapter internally Dec 16 16:26:06 KrisAbsinthe: there's space for that? Dec 16 16:26:53 Sure, just behind the back case there is enough room for just the PCB Dec 16 16:26:57 is there a qemu binary for those of us who dont want to install gcc 3.x Dec 16 16:27:44 If I take off the USB plug and the plastics i can wire it in, just enough room. Dec 16 16:29:08 or maybe not... i had eyeballed it but, ill have to find a spot for it now , damn it Dec 16 16:39:55 hi all Dec 16 16:40:47 hello Dec 16 16:40:50 I have ubuntu 7.10 and package openmoko-sound-theme-standard2-0.1+svnr3192-r3: task do_unpack: failed Dec 16 16:41:01 what ahould I do Dec 16 16:41:10 *should Dec 16 16:41:35 do you have permissions to that folder Dec 16 16:42:01 nevermind Dec 16 16:42:17 whats the space on the Neo like Dec 16 16:42:44 I'm trying to build it on my PC not on the Neo Dec 16 16:43:01 I have a lot of space Dec 16 16:43:10 is it a tar or a tar.gz Dec 16 16:44:27 I'll check it Dec 16 16:45:18 tar.gz Dec 16 16:45:48 and you issued tar zxvf Dec 16 16:46:47 no, I'm using mokomakefile Dec 16 16:46:49 the trace Dec 16 16:46:50 gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file Dec 16 16:46:52 tar: Unexpected EOF in archive Dec 16 16:46:53 tar: Unexpected EOF in archive Dec 16 16:46:55 tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now Dec 16 16:46:57 NOTE: Task failed: Dec 16 16:46:58 NOTE: package openmoko-sound-theme-standard2-0.1+svnr3192-r3: task do_unpack: failed Dec 16 16:47:37 mohamed: Sounds to me like you have a broken file in your sources dir Dec 16 16:47:51 Try removing the file and it's md5 Dec 16 16:47:54 yeah what he said Dec 16 16:48:27 CM: then from where to get it once more, buildhost.openmoko.org? Dec 16 16:48:46 It will be fetched automaticly by bitbake Dec 16 16:48:50 From the recipie Dec 16 16:50:57 CM: No such file or directory !!? Dec 16 16:51:32 CM: I've used make openmoko-devel-image Dec 16 16:51:49 CM: should I use another command? Dec 16 17:00:41 hi friends... how can i purchase an openmoko from Venezuela...? Dec 16 17:00:58 sebasmagri: Same as everyone else, order from the homepage :) Dec 16 17:01:17 mohamed: I tried to find where it is.. Built without problems for me Dec 16 17:01:53 CM, cool... and the plattform is enough stable for final users? i'm an gentoo user... Dec 16 17:02:20 sebasmagri: Well, there's only the gta01 availible right now Dec 16 17:02:44 The final harware revision is still some months away before you can order it Dec 16 17:03:00 CM: can't get the drift, of what you said; should I download the file or just try to rebuild from the start? Dec 16 17:03:27 mohamed: Well, I can't say what is wrong with your svn checkout Dec 16 17:03:34 CM, and wich is the package system in Openmoko??? Dec 16 17:04:00 sebasmagri: ipkg, similar to debians dpkg but simpler Dec 16 17:04:31 ah ok fine... are you a developer?? Dec 16 17:04:51 mohamed: try a make rebuild-package-openmoko-sound-theme-standard2 Dec 16 17:05:12 sebasmagri: No, just a hang around here :) Dec 16 17:05:48 sebasmagri: There are several OpenMoko employed developers in here though, and a lot of people who do develop applications on their freee time Dec 16 17:06:15 CM, dont you know if the openmoko plattform can be adjusted to other package system? like portage? Dec 16 17:06:46 I'm a gentoo user too btw.. Dec 16 17:06:55 And no, don't know how hard that would be to change. Dec 16 17:07:29 there has been some work done to make openembedded generate debs instead, but I don't know how far along that is yet Dec 16 17:08:26 KrisAbsinthe: care to upload the gsmhandset.state to a pastebin or something? :) Dec 16 17:09:03 KrisAbsinthe: Or maybe file a bug and attatch it there? Dec 16 17:09:19 Since it's clearly a bug if the audio is configured wrong by default Dec 16 17:09:37 CM: chachi, what's your ETA on the flight up? Dec 16 17:09:56 xcasex: I'm driving, so late saturday the 22:nd Dec 16 17:10:13 It's only 1000km or so anyway.. :P Dec 16 17:10:39 CM: excellence. pop by and i'll treat you to some fine cousine ;) Dec 16 17:11:56 Hehe, sounds nice :D Dec 16 17:15:26 hi Dec 16 17:30:23 CM: thanks alot CM it worked fine Dec 16 17:32:01 mohamed: glad it helped :) Dec 16 18:13:30 is it possible to deactivate the power save features while connected to USB ? This would be great for development. Dec 16 18:15:37 matsimoto: Yes, I think that's just to hold in the power button Dec 16 18:15:47 And select "no pm" from the menu Dec 16 18:16:21 CM: I mean a more automatic mechanism :) in charge mode no pm and in battery mode pm on. Dec 16 18:16:47 Hehe, ah, ok. Sure, but I guess that should be some kind of option to neod or similar Dec 16 18:18:20 that would be great. I try to use it at my secondary phone. And when in a hurry I remove USB and go out. one hour later the battery is dead without the pm Dec 16 18:18:43 one hour is a bit unlikely if it's been fully charged Dec 16 18:18:49 it should last >>3 Dec 16 18:18:51 NineX had his phone on for 11 hours with pm Dec 16 18:19:36 CM: my friend workin onthey own krenel patchset + couple programs for power managment Dec 16 18:20:14 ok, ok let say 3 hours, but if it is in your pocket you will forget to activate pm. Dec 16 18:20:14 NineX: Cool. We sure need better pm Dec 16 18:23:51 hi Dec 16 18:30:25 SpeedEvil: I'm thinking of adding code to arch/arm/plat-s3c24xx/time.c to allow the use of dynticks, for longer IDLE times... do you think that would bring a noticeable decrease in power consumption, or at least allow later for use of SLOW or something like that? Dec 16 18:30:39 It won't hurt Dec 16 18:31:16 In practice, I don't think it'll buy much. Dec 16 18:31:54 SpeedEvil: given that I will have to busy-wait until just after the timer decrease (so as to not add too much jitter when changing the timer counter), it might lead to _less_ IDLE time in some situations Dec 16 18:32:05 I should check that, but from memory it wasn't significant - the Hz spike Dec 16 18:33:09 SpeedEvil: if we could make it enter POWEROFF instead of IDLE... Dec 16 18:33:17 btw, is the phone supposed to lock itself DURING a call? :) Dec 16 18:33:18 * cesarb goes look the datasheet again Dec 16 18:34:46 cesarb: that'd be nice. Dec 16 18:34:55 cesarb: it's orders of magnitude more coding though. Dec 16 18:35:16 SpeedEvil: wouldn't it need just changing the pm_idle logic? Dec 16 18:35:29 no Dec 16 18:35:35 SpeedEvil: if I read that thing right, it only turns off the CPU core, and can wake via interrupts... Dec 16 18:35:49 power off mode on the CPU - assuming you're talking of suspend-RAM mode is basically CPU off Dec 16 18:35:57 you're coming back from suspend-RAM Dec 16 18:36:22 CPU core clock 'off' is depressingly high power Dec 16 18:37:34 What we 'really' need is to hack _rapid_ suspend and resume paths into drivers Dec 16 18:38:22 SpeedEvil: OLPC-style? Dec 16 18:38:28 pretty much Dec 16 18:39:12 SpeedEvil: as long as we can make it _transparent_ (so no apps ever notice... I want to have it wake up after one second if some app did a sleep(1)) it would be great Dec 16 18:39:22 yeah Dec 16 18:42:20 the problem with SLOW is that it changes the clocks for everything... Dec 16 18:42:54 and the problem with POWEROFF is that we lose the high-res timer (timer4), making wakeups harder Dec 16 18:44:05 * cesarb wonders if the hw designers gave more than a passing thought on power issues Dec 16 18:45:53 * mwester-laptop wonders why cesarb even wonders that Dec 16 18:47:19 mwester-laptop: heh Dec 16 18:55:20 hi anyone know what the state of palm emulation on the OM is? Dec 16 18:56:25 Is there any info on the resume-issue with the modem? Dec 16 18:56:26 hm, if the RTC XTAL is connected, the s3c rtc has a mode where it can generate a tick interrupt with period of 1/64s... and if I'm reading correctly, that can wake up from power_off... but the problem is that we lost the hi-res timer in that mode, and thus it's not transparent anymore Dec 16 18:57:05 if only we had a wake-up capable hi-res timer which would not power off with the rest Dec 16 18:57:11 cesarb also the rtc xtal is gone. the only rtc we kept complete is the one in the pmu Dec 16 18:57:43 roh: oh well Dec 16 18:58:10 * cesarb wonders if the rtc core is turned off then, or is still on sucking power Dec 16 18:58:23 good question. Dec 16 18:58:38 but no clue. Dec 16 18:58:41 should, yes Dec 16 19:14:41 SpeedEvil: did your measurements of IDLE mode agree with the datasheet (i.e. are we really entering that mode)? Dec 16 20:15:46 I need some pointer again, I searched Google but sis not find a solution there... Dec 16 20:16:38 When I run 'make openmoko-devel-image', bitbake says "bitbake: /usr/bin/env: bad interpreter". Dec 16 20:17:46 If I check the file, I get: Dec 16 20:17:51 openmoko@openmoko-devel:~/moko$ file /usr/bin/env Dec 16 20:17:52 /usr/bin/env: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/ Dec 16 20:17:54 Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped Dec 16 20:18:12 ...end running it gets me a copy of my environment, as I guess I should. Dec 16 20:18:31 /bin/sh: unae: not found Dec 16 20:18:32 * Witch is cold and apparently prone to typo tonight :-( Dec 16 20:18:41 Linux fic-gta01 2.6.22.5-moko11 #1 PREEMPT Sun Dec 16 13:34:12 CET 2007 armv4tl unknown Dec 16 20:32:44 Witch: don't know if that's your problem, but "bad interpreter" usually means there's a junk \r at the end of the line Dec 16 20:36:03 SpeedEvil: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA01_Power_Management says IDLE is not implemented, but looking at the kernel code it does seem to be implemented (s3c24xx_default_idle, called as arch_idle from default_idle from the idle loop) Dec 16 20:36:36 SpeedEvil: either I'm missing some path (that code has too many function pointers), or the wiki is wrong Dec 16 20:46:29 Hi all Dec 16 20:46:51 ave Dec 16 20:47:31 while going through Bug 887 . Just thought can that bug be caused because of mmc settling time ? Dec 16 20:50:13 new_bie: I don't think so - normal boots don't use mmc, just internal NAND flash. Dec 16 20:54:44 is it a known bug in ipkg, that it tries to wget Packages.gz to /tmp/ipkg-????/, but they are in /tmp/ipkg.????/ ? Dec 16 20:55:47 mmontour : my mistake i thought that bug was bcoz of booting from MMC Dec 16 20:56:40 No, 799 is the MMC bug. I attached a workaround patch, but it would still be good for someone to investigate and figure out why it didn't work as originally written. Dec 16 20:57:08 yeah i mixed up both the bugs Dec 16 21:19:55 any takers on OM and palm emulation? Dec 16 21:21:35 duffyd: you mean, running Palm apps, or the Palm user experience? Dec 16 21:22:00 running palm apps Dec 16 21:51:48 Hi all Dec 16 21:52:05 can I change the boot image System_boot.png?? Dec 16 22:06:14 are there any GPS programs available yet that show velocity, direction, plot, etc? Dec 16 22:07:56 ScaredyCat: can you show me content fo openmoko-agpsui2.bb file? Dec 16 22:11:55 NineX: Should be the same as http://abraxa.dyndns.org:81/random/openmoko-agpsui2_svn.bb unless he changed it in the meanwhile Dec 16 22:14:12 * gcb77 added information on setting up navit at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit Dec 16 22:46:27 how to use toolchain Dec 16 22:46:31 ? Dec 16 22:57:56 palm emulation - pretty plz? Dec 16 23:01:36 bitbake openmoko-devel-image , making wrong dependecies tree - trye to compile linux-openmoko before u-boot-mkimage-openmoko-native Dec 16 23:41:48 what's the latest cool news on this front? Dec 16 23:49:22 jadams: wiki ;) Dec 16 23:50:10 shakespeare was a woman Dec 16 23:50:15 err.. Dec 17 00:16:37 * zilux has just added a 'News' paragraph to the navit wikipage: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit#News Dec 17 00:57:31 DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0 Dec 17 02:11:50 When I do a # make update-makefile Dec 17 02:12:09 I get an error : svn.nslu2-linux.org , have people seen this before? Dec 17 02:15:23 looks like rwhitby.net is down too. Dec 17 02:16:33 not from here Dec 17 02:17:09 Ip address? Dec 17 02:17:35 66.159.209.53 Dec 17 02:31:24 ls Dec 17 02:32:56 . .. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Dec 17 02:59:57 2007