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Dec 30 03:07:45 <xzcvczx> what did you use for taking the lcd screen out?
Dec 30 04:58:22 <mattholimea1> awww, no cam?
Dec 30 04:58:34 <Mononoke> no
Dec 30 05:00:41 <mattholimea1> so, what's the overall feel of the current moko project? How many apps, etc?
Dec 30 05:00:57 <mattholimea1> current state* of the moko
Dec 30 05:01:18 <mjr> currently rather a work in progress
Dec 30 05:01:27 <mattholimea1> i looked at the BB a few months ago and it didn't seem like there was much activity going on
Dec 30 05:05:24 <mattholimea1> hmm, not a very talkative bunch...
Dec 30 05:08:08 <mattholimea1> reading the intro "what to and not to expect"... definitely looks like there's some work cut out for people here
Dec 30 05:11:15 <summatusmentis> mattholimea1: as far as I know, the _base_ software is there, but there was/might still be some issues w/ the gsm modem
Dec 30 05:11:31 <summatusmentis> on top of other software just not being implemented yet
Dec 30 05:13:42 <Mononoke> mattholimea1: talkative bunch : lots of people here are from around europe and it's early sunday morning...
Dec 30 06:36:20 <raddy> Hello Everybody
Dec 30 06:36:24 <raddy> Howdy
Dec 30 06:36:42 <raddy> I don't have reliable internet connection,
Dec 30 06:37:01 <raddy> Is it possible to build openmoko locally
Dec 30 06:37:11 <raddy> Without Network access?
Dec 30 06:39:06 <raddy> Anybody there????
Dec 30 06:41:34 <mwester> Nope.  Nobody here.  It's the middle of the night in Europe.
Dec 30 06:41:47 <mwester> Or at least very very early on a Sunday morning.
Dec 30 06:42:02 <mwester> in answer to your question: No.
Dec 30 06:43:29 <mwester> Theoretically, if everything was fetched previously, and all the versions were set in the sanesrcrev files and all, then one should be able to build without a network connection.  But I know from experience that this does not work.
Dec 30 06:44:46 <mwester> For example, there is at least one recipe that downloads data during the "do_configure" step, which is a broken thing to do, but it's low on the list of things to fix.
Dec 30 09:36:46 <Mononoke> how hard it would be to implement geiger counter into openmoko ?
Dec 30 09:46:21 <_buz> pretty hard
Dec 30 09:47:25 <CoreDump|Zzz> the hardware would have to be pretty small to fit into it ;)
Dec 30 10:16:48 <Hopscotch> good morning
Dec 30 10:17:34 <CoreDump> morning Hopscotch 
Dec 30 13:15:16 <wuffwuff> hi there, anyone on the ccc congress in berlin?
Dec 30 13:37:44 <Stephmw> SpeedEvil: any idea what I could use to try out various map projections?
Dec 30 13:39:15 <CoreDump> does anybody know a good way to stress-test a NIC?
Dec 30 14:00:07 <balrog-kun> NFS may be a good test
Dec 30 14:14:59 <raddy> Hello Everybody
Dec 30 14:15:15 <raddy> I don't have network access in my computer
Dec 30 14:15:27 <raddy> can i build openmoko?
Dec 30 14:23:07 <starox> raddy: I'm not sure, you must download source, but even with that, I think some package do svn/cvs/mtn/git checkouts
Dec 30 14:26:12 <Stephmw> here's someone who'd know ;)
Dec 30 14:26:32 <Stephmw> hey mickeyl, "< raddy> I don't have network access in my computer can i build openmoko?"
Dec 30 14:27:12 <goxboxlive> hi mickeyl Looking good right :-) http://www.linuxtogo.org/~goxboxlive/Neo1973/screenshots/RoadGPS.jpg
Dec 30 14:27:37 <mickeyl> raddy: you need a computer with network access to download sources.
Dec 30 14:27:54 <mickeyl> you can build without network access, _if_ you have all sources downloaded
Dec 30 14:30:24 <starox> Someone is working on a moko manual ?
Dec 30 14:30:45 <starox> I'm on the calculator app and I don't know how to go to main screen :)
Dec 30 14:31:16 <mickeyl> short click on power closes an app
Dec 30 14:31:17 <starox> (It's on a T5 so if I must press a button ... )
Dec 30 14:31:19 <Sup3rkiddo> starox, click the app name on the top left...a menu should pop up
Dec 30 14:31:21 <starox> Argh !
Dec 30 14:31:30 <mickeyl> T5?
Dec 30 14:31:39 <starox> Sup3rkiddo: I just have dialer, and calculator ...
Dec 30 14:31:42 <starox> Yes
Dec 30 14:31:51 <starox> palm Tungsten T5
Dec 30 14:32:17 <starox> Should'nt home be always in the upper menu ?
Dec 30 14:33:22 <starox> (I know it's not a phone ... I just wanted something to test whatever I'll do ... I'm waiting for gta02)
Dec 30 14:34:08 <mickeyl> ah, there's probably no support for the T5 keys in neod yet
Dec 30 14:34:10 <mickeyl> patches welcome :)
Dec 30 14:34:53 <starox> mickeyl: I'll try ... and do :)
Dec 30 14:35:18 <mickeyl> cool
Dec 30 14:39:40 <zilux> starox: Graham Williams' manual: http://openmoko.togaware.com/survivor/index.html
Dec 30 14:52:25 <starox> zilux: thank you
Dec 30 15:31:26 <thomasg> hm, is there a good gps-monitor on the buildhost that shows the signal of all the satellites?
Dec 30 15:32:08 <ckuethe> it varies by location
Dec 30 15:39:50 <mwester> Re: Building openmoko without network access: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3374
Dec 30 15:40:01 <mwester> (g'mornin')
Dec 30 16:00:20 <nardul> Evening
Dec 30 16:00:29 <ajbrun> afternoon
Dec 30 16:00:46 <nardul> details :P
Dec 30 16:02:22 <Mononoke> anyone from greece around ?
Dec 30 16:02:58 <nardul> How "only for developers" is the phone at the moment? The Neo1973 that is. I read that it is not for open public, but calling me public would be some stretch. Although not at dev level i know a bit. Would it be doable?
Dec 30 16:03:18 <nardul> That is to say, i know nothing of the phone as such.
Dec 30 16:04:50 <dread> nardul: the gta02 might workout, i don't think you would be happy with the gta01 currently sold
Dec 30 16:05:37 <nardul> As in completely not usable?
Dec 30 16:06:23 <thomasg> nardul: not usable as every-day phone
Dec 30 16:06:49 <nardul> okay. Curses. I'll have to wait for gta02 then.
Dec 30 16:06:56 <thomasg> there's a total lack of powermanagement, so it's not possible to use the neo a half day of work
Dec 30 16:07:04 <nardul> ok
Dec 30 16:07:07 <dread> not, sms messaging works now, placoing and recieving calls works. but in general, the battery-lifetime is to short, to less cpu, missing graphics and last but not least the wifi chip are reasons to wait fir gta02 :)
Dec 30 16:07:47 <nardul> wifi is overrated :)
Dec 30 16:08:10 <thomasg> yes it is, if umts/wcdma is avaiable :)
Dec 30 16:08:13 <nardul> But true. Just wanted to find out. My current phone is as good as dead. sadly. it'll have to last a few months more.
Dec 30 16:10:32 <NineX> yes but somethink is wrong with dbus-eds
Dec 30 16:11:00 <NineX> sms event are ocours only with usb cable plugged
Dec 30 16:11:37 <dread> uh, i haven't unplugged my neo for a while....
Dec 30 16:12:11 <NineX> my neo works without charging about 6 ~ 8h
Dec 30 16:12:15 <NineX> so...
Dec 30 16:12:30 <NineX> i think there is a lot of work to do...
Dec 30 16:13:40 <nardul> No kidding :) The question is. Is it being done?
Dec 30 16:47:44 <Sup3rkiddo> boy..transferring stuff at usb1.0 sucketh...
Dec 30 16:48:04 <white_gecko> part
Dec 30 17:14:36 <[blackb]> hi all
Dec 30 17:15:04 <[blackb]> i need an info there is sameone here thet i could ask?
Dec 30 17:16:54 <Sup3rkiddo> [blackb], jep, but am not a all knowing demi-god though :)
Dec 30 17:17:11 <cyphi>   
Dec 30 17:17:19 <[blackb]> i installed pocky under arm MX31
Dec 30 17:17:26 <[blackb]> poky sorry 
Dec 30 17:17:34 <[blackb]> and it's good
Dec 30 17:17:52 <[blackb]> but now i want install poky under MX21
Dec 30 17:18:15 <[blackb]> i need only X server and python source
Dec 30 17:18:33 <[blackb]> it's possible to do thet?
Dec 30 17:20:30 <[blackb]> i must program with openmoko but it must cross compile under MX21 and in need only X server and Python resource kit
Dec 30 17:44:41 <NineX> http://pastebin.ca/838804
Dec 30 17:44:42 <NineX> :S
Dec 30 18:06:54 <[blackb]> nice
Dec 30 18:07:03 <[blackb]> NineX:nice error
Dec 30 18:09:41 <[blackb]> anyone could help me then?:)
Dec 30 18:17:33 <jeddy3> rtp, ping?
Dec 30 18:20:16 <mwester> [blackb]:  The snippet you've posted there indicates that the build system is working perfectly.  There were build failures in the two build targets listed, it removed the failed builds, and then determined that it could not proceed without those builds being successful.  So it stopped.
Dec 30 18:20:44 <mwester> You need to go back further in your logs to find out why those two targets failed, and correct whatever is wrong there.
Dec 30 18:21:42 <mwester> er, NineX even.
Dec 30 18:22:58 <mwester> [blackb]:  I don't think that you can currently build openmoko on anything other than an Intel X86 host.
Dec 30 18:28:07 <NineX> mwester: i build on amd64
Dec 30 18:29:20 <mwester> NineX:  Yeah, I got your question and [blackb] confused.  Sorry.
Dec 30 18:36:25 <[blackb]> mwester:i could't run openmoko in a arm architecture?
Dec 30 19:23:23 <rtp> j_ack: pong
Dec 30 19:23:33 <rtp> j_ack: sorry
Dec 30 19:24:35 <zilux> current mokoified version of gutenflash (RSVP text reader) available online
Dec 30 19:24:38 <zilux> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gutenflash
Dec 30 19:31:56 <mwester-laptop> [blackb]: you can't *build* openmoko on ARM; it runs on ARM just fine :)
Dec 30 21:06:01 <CM> jeddy3: God fortsättning :)
Dec 30 21:08:12 * CM continues to eat and drink :D
Dec 30 21:09:41 <zash> the boredom
Dec 30 21:17:31 <torpor> yo .. anyone know where to get a nokia n810 in vienna, austria?  as in, walk into the shop?  please /msg me if so .. 
Dec 30 21:23:22 <jeddy3> CM: detsamma :)
Dec 30 22:38:09 <NineX> http://pastebin.ca/838804 < somethink is broken :S
Dec 30 22:39:56 <mwester> You need to go back further in your logs to find out why those two targets failed, and correct whatever is wrong there.
Dec 30 22:39:59 <mwester> You need to go back further in your logs to find out why those two targets failed, and correct whatever is wrong there.
Dec 30 22:40:21 <mwester> (oops, I'm typing double it seems)
Dec 30 22:40:29 <rwhitby> My guess is that the OM stable repo doesn't have vala-native
Dec 30 22:41:11 <rwhitby> if that was the case, you would need to poke mickey_away
Dec 31 02:49:13 <rwhitby> Five new NSLU2 firmware releases now available: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.misc.nslu2.linux/20642
Dec 31 02:49:51 <rwhitby> (The NSLU2 is a good device to use as a bluetooth access point, or dfu-util flasher, or usb-networking device for the Neo1973)
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