**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 05 02:59:57 2008 Jan 05 03:03:33 openmoko: 03werner * r3769 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/scripts/ (. README build update): Jan 05 03:03:33 openmoko: Example scripts for the "manual" u-boot build process (i.e., without using Jan 05 03:03:33 openmoko: OpenEmbedded or anything similar.) Jan 05 03:03:33 openmoko: NOTE: this is still unfinished and largely untested work. Jan 05 03:03:33 openmoko: - scripts/README: description of what this is and of toolchain requirements Jan 05 03:03:36 openmoko: - scripts/build: build u-boot from scratch Jan 05 03:03:38 openmoko: - scripts/update: update one or both (upstream git and OM SVN) repositories Jan 05 03:18:24 openmoko: 03werner * r3770 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/p/: - kernel/p: removed empty directory getting in the way of file name completion Jan 05 03:35:10 openmoko: 03werner * r3771 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/scripts/build: Jan 05 03:35:10 openmoko: - scripts/build: fixed incorrect negation in [ ! -z ... ] || ... Jan 05 03:35:10 openmoko: - scripts/build: typo, "which" not "with" Jan 05 04:11:36 openmoko: 03werner * r3772 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/scripts/ (. README build update): (log message trimmed) Jan 05 04:11:36 openmoko: Example scripts for the "manual" kernel build process (i.e., without using Jan 05 04:11:36 openmoko: OpenEmbedded or anything similar.) Jan 05 04:11:36 openmoko: NOTE: this is still unfinished and largely untested work. Jan 05 04:11:36 openmoko: - scripts/README: description of what this is Jan 05 04:11:40 openmoko: - scripts/build: build the kernel from scratch Jan 05 04:11:42 openmoko: - scripts/update: update the OM SVN repository Jan 05 04:11:53 openmoko: 03werner * r3773 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/scripts/update: - scripts/update: we don't need to symlink "patches" again Jan 05 04:12:45 what to do with 55 LCD's and 29 PC's running Linux http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2CXoPq-RJ0 Jan 05 05:02:29 maybe spring ? Jan 05 05:02:33 ...hits head Jan 05 05:14:55 ;) and nobody defined which hemisphere's "spring". Jan 05 05:15:12 west Jan 05 05:15:18 mwester, gives me more time to save money :) Jan 05 05:15:23 (precession) Jan 05 05:21:54 lol Jan 05 05:22:02 well i have the money Jan 05 05:26:11 :) Jan 05 05:27:52 * mwester slips into a dark alley, and waits for dbmoodb to pass by... Jan 05 05:43:07 s/Spring/Q2/ Jan 05 07:26:53 oh just a q with the v2 - will it be available in how many colours ? Jan 05 07:35:25 dbmoodb: afaik in only two Jan 05 07:36:17 i mean i haven't heard anything about the colours since v1, so i assume there was no change Jan 05 07:36:46 sure Jan 05 07:37:21 just can only see the freerunner up several sites in a black variety + the freerunner name on it - it looks worse than the v1 Jan 05 07:37:44 in my opinion - just the freerunner text - fic is a different company now but... Jan 05 07:38:04 the name dies hard - (neo1973) Jan 05 07:39:21 so you have a link to a picture with the freerunner text? Jan 05 07:39:38 i think most phones don't have their name printed on the front at all Jan 05 07:39:46 I would rename it to OMG Jan 05 07:41:44 sure Jan 05 07:41:56 OPEN MOKO GROUP right ? Jan 05 07:42:20 i hope the freerunner text / image is just for the ces show or for the new atm Jan 05 07:42:30 and it will retain the neo1973 name... Jan 05 07:43:03 - only mention of the name on openmoko - is in this irc topic as i can see ... Jan 05 07:44:22 http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/03/openmoko-to-unveil-consumer-minded-neo-freerunner/ there is the link Jan 05 07:44:29 wait... that's not it Jan 05 07:45:34 http://www.news.com/8301-13580_3-9839867-39.html there Jan 05 07:52:20 did android realy steal openmoko's wings? cause I didn't notice anything Jan 05 07:53:14 Mononoke: you would be able to infer the same about openmoko and the qtopia green phone Jan 05 07:54:52 Mononoke: Im not sure it matters though, if android works out to be very good then they can run that Jan 05 07:55:16 on the OM hardware Jan 05 08:02:19 the more the better no ? Jan 05 08:25:01 Mononoke: it's hard to measure, but imho marketing-wise yes, a bit Jan 05 08:27:22 hmm, it's strange, gllin got no fix yesterday when i left it running and went to sleep Jan 05 08:27:33 it ran for four hours according to the nmea logs Jan 05 08:27:47 and it was seeing eleven satellites just fine Jan 05 08:40:39 oh no, it ran for two hours because the phone battery died after that time, but since gllin was running on a different system it still kept running and emitting NMEA Jan 05 08:41:53 so from one point the messages start repeating and only the timestamp changes Jan 05 08:49:12 good morning Jan 05 09:20:52 mickey|zzZZzz, ping :-) Jan 05 10:17:36 hi Jan 05 10:50:59 yo Jan 05 10:51:21 hi Jan 05 10:51:26 hi Jan 05 11:31:11 Have fun with Free Penguin: http://www.freepenguin.it/index-en.html =) Jan 05 11:31:22 whats up with this damn terminal issue in the latest release, anyone know? Jan 05 11:34:47 torpor: "damn terminal issue" ? Jan 05 11:35:21 i can't do a 'make openmoko-devel-image' no more without running into this issue .. NOTE: fetch http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/openmoko-terminal2_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target.OM-2007.2.applications_3542_.tar.gz Jan 05 11:35:25 404 Jan 05 11:35:31 ERROR: No providers of build target u-boot-openmoko (for []) Jan 05 11:35:43 its borked. Jan 05 11:35:58 it is mentioned regularly Jan 05 11:36:08 whats the fix? Jan 05 11:36:26 check the irc log please from yesterday Jan 05 11:36:35 who fixed it? Jan 05 11:37:06 this is a problem due to repository mis synchronisation Jan 05 11:37:16 will be ok after a while Jan 05 11:37:49 so there's no fix right now? Jan 05 11:37:51 i just wait? Jan 05 11:38:32 people who face the issue succeeded to worjkaround it Jan 05 11:38:38 faced Jan 05 11:38:51 do you know what the workaround is .. ? Jan 05 11:39:30 I can retreive it in the irc log. atm I use an old repository image Jan 05 11:39:50 if you could just tell me what to grep for that has the discussion from yesterday i'll look it up .. Jan 05 11:40:52 ok :-) Jan 05 11:41:21 check the name of the faulty packages Jan 05 11:45:42 ok Jan 05 11:45:46 fixed it thanks zilux .. Jan 05 11:46:42 good Jan 05 13:25:15 hello Jan 05 13:25:21 yo Jan 05 13:26:19 <_wedge_> hi, does someone know, which font is used in the openmoko logo? Jan 05 13:26:46 openmoko Jan 05 13:26:49 that one Jan 05 13:26:56 <_wedge_> own font? Jan 05 13:27:10 Speaking non-sillily, I don't know Jan 05 13:27:51 <_wedge_> damn, i would like to use it at an presentation about openmoko Jan 05 13:28:18 I think it's custom, but am not sure. Jan 05 13:29:27 dose someone successfully research market for alternative holder for moko? Jan 05 13:30:34 I'w got basic an it is so stupid. molo lay on desk an lay. Jan 05 13:31:02 there is a car-holder which works as a "desk-holder" just as well Jan 05 13:32:11 CoreDump: but holder is for what device? fore sure not for openmoko :P Jan 05 13:32:36 openmoko is a distribution, not a device. The holder is for Neo1973 and FreeRunner Jan 05 13:33:08 dunno if you can buy it yet tho =) But I know there is one Jan 05 13:34:12 it's not on the OM shop I'm afraid Jan 05 13:34:46 The device is whatever you can convince it to run on. Jan 05 13:34:57 even a normal PC. Jan 05 13:35:14 (though it's not very functional in that role) Jan 05 13:36:50 * CoreDump hugs his expensive little GPS dongle Jan 05 13:40:16 CoreDump: size isn't everything Jan 05 13:40:30 Vibration is important too. Jan 05 13:40:41 and girth Jan 05 13:40:47 what are we talking about again? Jan 05 13:40:52 =D Jan 05 13:41:28 it is running navit well enough now. All we noq need is a working text-to-speech app. Jan 05 13:43:01 any volunteers to debug a kernel freeze caused by espeak? =) Jan 05 14:02:26 CoreDump: not checked it but I guess this is a PortAudio freeze Jan 05 14:02:41 must be kernel, the whole device dies Jan 05 14:02:50 only ejecting battery helps... Jan 05 14:03:17 CoreDump: here using espeak + pulse, I used Navit with speech Jan 05 14:03:25 pedestrian navigation, ok Jan 05 14:03:28 there may be a bug in portaudio of course, but the kernel shouldn't crash _ever_ ;) Jan 05 14:05:06 sorry to come back on this but Jan 05 14:05:28 did you try sd + espeak (not espeak-generic) + alsa Jan 05 14:05:56 yes Jan 05 14:06:04 I'w kill my distro :( after upgrade Jan 05 14:06:04 and... Jan 05 14:06:08 nada Jan 05 14:06:14 no sound, no crash Jan 05 14:06:22 ok :-) Jan 05 14:06:26 I can't make spd-say emit anything Jan 05 14:06:34 incompatibility between alsa and pulse Jan 05 14:06:36 tried pulse, alsa, oss... Jan 05 14:06:51 if you wait say 10 seconds Jan 05 14:07:06 you might launch speech-dispatcher again Jan 05 14:07:20 because pulseaudio has released the audi device Jan 05 14:08:03 you can check the audio dev release using aplay for example Jan 05 14:09:49 hmm my sd is missing sd_espeak Jan 05 14:10:09 time to update :-) Jan 05 14:11:54 well, it is disabled by default via configure... Jan 05 14:12:15 so recipe update Jan 05 14:12:30 insteda of using aplay: lsof /dev/snd/* Jan 05 14:13:20 in my sd recipe (mokotts): Jan 05 14:13:21 EXTRA_OECONF = "--prefix=/usr --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --sysconfdir=/etc pidpath=/var/run/speech-dispatcher/ --with-espeak=yes --with-flite=no --with-ibmtts=no --with-nas=no --with-alsa=yes --with-pulse=yes" Jan 05 14:13:21 Jan 05 14:22:52 is there a way to clear the ipk cache? Jan 05 14:24:15 the feed lists? Jan 05 14:24:38 when I try to install a package an old dependency come back Jan 05 14:25:24 guess it comes from the ipk cache: Jan 05 14:25:25 ERROR: Package espeak-zhy (parent espeak-zhy) is not available from any configured src Jan 05 14:25:35 ipkg update ;) Jan 05 14:26:05 I installed this temporary package by hand Jan 05 14:26:36 ok will do the update Jan 05 14:29:11 ipkg update is partially done Jan 05 14:29:37 it finished on: Jan 05 14:29:39 ipkg_download: ERROR: Command failed with return value 1: `wget --passive-ftp -q -P /tmp/ipkg-WC3VBd http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/ipk/neo1973/Packages.gz' Jan 05 14:30:34 and then ipkg install, asks again the old dependency :-) Jan 05 14:30:41 my environment is perhaps broken Jan 05 14:31:56 ok, recompiled with your EXTRA_OECONF Jan 05 14:32:06 ok Jan 05 14:32:09 aplay does not work, cat blah > /dev/dsp *does* Jan 05 14:32:36 the alsa device is temorarily locked Jan 05 14:35:04 heh, the default output was wrong Jan 05 14:35:07 it works now =D Jan 05 14:35:13 great! Jan 05 14:35:30 fun can start :-) Jan 05 14:36:00 the dorr is opened to talking apps Jan 05 14:36:10 =D Jan 05 14:36:16 zilux: thanks man Jan 05 14:36:37 ok :-) Jan 05 14:48:03 zilux: does speech-dispatcher ship with an initscript? I can't seem to find it in the checkout Jan 05 14:52:11 audio playback is not perfect Jan 05 14:52:45 it add "noise" at the end of ever sentence. Do yo see that as well? Jan 05 14:56:19 it is better using a alsa conf file Jan 05 14:56:26 just ckecking... Jan 05 14:57:27 http://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/test/alsa/.asoundrc.44?rev=50&root=mokotts&view=auto Jan 05 14:57:52 copied to /home/root/.asoundrc Jan 05 14:58:41 for these tests, the PulseAudio server was stopped Jan 05 15:06:03 mokomakefile is failing to retrieve openmoko-terminal2_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target.OM-2007.2.applications_3542_.tar.gz is something down or is something wrong with the makefile? Jan 05 15:09:19 bmk789: you should ask mickeyl about the terminal Jan 05 15:10:35 ? Jan 05 15:14:00 monotone.openmoko.org accidantly pulled a broken revisio Jan 05 15:14:07 you can either wait until the next sync. Jan 05 15:14:15 or pull from monotone.openembedded.org in the meantime Jan 05 15:15:10 ok, how often are the syncs? Jan 05 15:16:06 mv monotone git ;p Jan 05 15:16:16 Maintaining the overall look and feel of the developers’ Neo 1973, the Neo FreeRunner features hardware improvements such as 2D/3D graphics and a faster 500MHz processor that boosts performance to enable video and audio processing, as well as a new generation of mobile applications emerging from the open source community. Jan 05 15:16:19 500mhz? Jan 05 15:16:39 El_Salvador: from what ive read, its a typo Jan 05 15:17:10 sure? Jan 05 15:18:03 pretty sure Jan 05 15:19:04 ok Jan 05 15:19:06 thanks Jan 05 15:21:03 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02 says 400MHz Jan 05 15:29:38 now where is the freerunner name from? Jan 05 15:30:14 KrisAbsinthe: http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/index.jsp?epi_menuItemID=887566059a3aedb6efaaa9e27a808a0c&ndmViewId=news_view&ndmConfigId=1000017&newsId=20080103005343&newsLang=en Jan 05 15:34:41 for some reason alsa stopped working Jan 05 15:35:08 the PulseAudio server is running? Jan 05 15:35:43 aplay errors out due to missing device Jan 05 15:35:52 try: lsof /dev/snd*/* Jan 05 15:36:07 rebooting w/o sd init-script atm Jan 05 15:37:38 there is no /dev/snd Jan 05 15:39:00 * CoreDump sighs and reflashed neo Jan 05 15:40:34 Any words about the Accelerometer's model ? Jan 05 15:41:09 ah hi Sarlacc why this nick? Jan 05 15:41:12 gah, spam in the wiki :( Jan 05 15:42:01 josch, i like this nick...:P, friends know i am not in home when i am using this Jan 05 15:42:27 Sarlacc, okay now this is your chance to get mickeyl :-) Jan 05 15:43:44 mickeyl, hi..a question if you are free now.... Jan 05 15:43:57 sure, go ahead Jan 05 15:45:39 mickeyl, yeah so, me and josch has been hacking around with python bindings for libgsmd, low level stuff...now is it worth it to put an extra dbus layer for freesmartphone.org... Jan 05 15:45:48 in our bindings that is Jan 05 15:46:23 well, every work is worth it, however Jan 05 15:46:41 there's work on a pure python gsmd prototype Jan 05 15:47:06 mickeyl, i understand, i was looking at py-proto using pyserial Jan 05 15:47:19 at the end of the day, the question is Jan 05 15:47:19 ..we didnt want to reinvent the wheel Jan 05 15:47:29 do you still need python bindings to libgsmd when you have dbus bindings Jan 05 15:47:39 if thats better we'd better concentrate on that Jan 05 15:47:47 i think so, too Jan 05 15:47:53 i really love to see a Jan 05 15:47:56 fully functional python gsmd Jan 05 15:48:04 with the proposed FSO dbus api Jan 05 15:48:13 is the api ready? Jan 05 15:48:23 then we have everything in place to slowly start on revamping the apps to use the dbus API Jan 05 15:48:29 and in parallel work on the open phone daemon Jan 05 15:48:56 mickeyl, we have some stuff working...but we were wondering....if some project wants to use libgsmd directly without the dbus stuff, maybe our bindings can help? Jan 05 15:49:02 josch: not yet. i will add some more API description files over the weekend and then issue a RFC on the smartphones-standards list Jan 05 15:49:48 Sarlacc: sure. python bindings to libgsmd are cool for several things, unit testing etc. Jan 05 15:49:53 just have in mind Jan 05 15:49:59 that i want to discourage people using libgsmd Jan 05 15:50:01 eventually Jan 05 15:50:19 since plans are to make the open phone daemon the only thing accessing libgsmd Jan 05 15:50:23 and even more later Jan 05 15:50:26 phasing out gsmd Jan 05 15:50:33 and integrating a standalone modem backend into ophoned Jan 05 15:50:57 oh!...fine..thats cool... Jan 05 15:52:03 the first backend for ophoned will use libgsmd though Jan 05 15:52:09 and if you python bindings can help us stabilize it Jan 05 15:52:14 mickeyl, so i guess we will keep working on the bindings hosted at projects.openmoko.org and at the same time keep a lookout for ways to help in freesmartphone.org once we have a nice sexy set of specs? Jan 05 15:52:15 then we benefit from that work Jan 05 15:52:27 Sarlacc: yes, that sounds like a good plan Jan 05 15:54:10 mickeyl, cool, thanks for all the info... Jan 05 15:55:29 http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/?group_id=14&release_id=53 if anyone wants to test them out Jan 05 15:55:45 nice Jan 05 15:55:55 do you have a bb recipe offhand? Jan 05 15:56:08 i think we should ship these bindings, so people can experiment on their devices Jan 05 15:57:09 mickeyl, yeah, http://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/recipes/?root=python-openmoko but we could use some help from senior guys as we are a tad inexperienced Jan 05 15:57:47 aah Jan 05 15:57:48 cool Jan 05 15:57:55 ok, let me add that to OE and try to build Jan 05 15:59:03 not all of the API is complete though, just those stuff in libgsmd which are known to work Jan 05 16:02:12 Hi mickeyl. I just read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Host-based_development_with_Xoo_and_Xephyr which is a really great howo, but did you realize the linked file om-launch is missing in subversion ? Jan 05 16:04:59 p0seid0n: yeah, i did not have a chance to commit the file. will do over the weekend Jan 05 16:05:22 ok, good to know. I wrote my own so far Jan 05 16:05:28 oh cool Jan 05 16:05:30 can you pastebin? Jan 05 16:06:09 It's confirmed that the '4.3"' screen size in 'freerunner' is wrong - and freerunner is simply a marketing name of GTA02? Jan 05 16:06:40 Oh - diddn't see you there, or I'd have phrased that differently. Jan 05 16:06:54 * SpeedEvil is editing wikipedia. Jan 05 16:07:07 to my knowledge 'yes' to both Jan 05 16:07:21 thanks. Jan 05 16:07:28 It's not really good, but it works Jan 05 16:07:35 4.3" wheres that from? Jan 05 16:07:42 unfortunately only on my machine ;-) Jan 05 16:10:03 roh: http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS2393777675.html Jan 05 16:16:03 * CoreDump aaaaaarrrrghhhhh's mightly Jan 05 16:16:21 * SpeedEvil takes away CoreDump's parrot. Jan 05 16:18:36 RPROVIDES += "speechd" in package foo results in foo-dev _also_ providing speechd. As soon as some other package "bar" depends on "speechd" it will pull in a _ton_ of -dev packages Jan 05 16:19:22 right Jan 05 16:19:31 PROVIDES_${PN} always Jan 05 16:20:09 ipkg will not reveal what pulls in the -dev stuff Jan 05 16:20:27 NOTE: package python-gsmd-0.02+svnr127: completed Jan 05 16:20:29 it will say package foo (not foo-dev!) depends on -dev stuff Jan 05 16:20:30 ok, commiting the package Jan 05 16:21:06 !lart ipgk Jan 05 16:21:08 * cdbot2 chops ipgk in half with a free AOL CD Jan 05 16:21:27 ~lart cdbot2 Jan 05 16:21:28 * apt whacks cdbot2 with the cluebat Jan 05 16:21:38 botwars!! Jan 05 16:23:35 =) Jan 05 16:23:52 I learned how to use Pspice today at school .. Suggestions for a Linux equivalent ? Jan 05 16:27:53 whats Pspice Jan 05 16:28:15 Circuits drawing program Jan 05 16:29:28 like eagle or geda? Jan 05 16:30:08 will take a look at those .. thanks Jan 05 16:37:41 xfig Jan 05 16:37:49 * SpeedEvil giggles. Jan 05 16:38:05 In theory it looks like it might suit, in practice, run away. Jan 05 16:56:22 time 4 ride :) Jan 05 16:56:23 sija Jan 05 16:58:10 zilux: I've just pushed an updated sd into OE, any comments? Jan 05 16:59:40 what's sd? Jan 05 16:59:47 * SpeedEvil hasn't been keeping up. Jan 05 17:05:04 CoreDump: have you the URL please? Jan 05 17:05:46 I'll upload the bb somewhere Jan 05 17:05:53 SpeedEvil: sd=speech-dispatcher Jan 05 17:06:00 CoreDump: ok Jan 05 17:06:43 CoreDump: nice, i am interested Jan 05 17:06:52 i had some problems to get it running with navid Jan 05 17:06:58 s/navid/navit/ Jan 05 17:06:58 borg_ meant: i had some problems to get it running with navit Jan 05 17:07:17 http://hentges.net/tmp/speech-dispatcher/ Jan 05 17:07:30 borg_: you could have tried mokotts :-) Jan 05 17:07:32 borg_: thanks to zilux it works now Jan 05 17:07:56 CoreDump: thanks Jan 05 17:14:48 CoreDump: atm DEPENDS indicates flite and not espeak. Jan 05 17:15:04 zilux: thanks Jan 05 17:15:10 espeak is pulled in via shlibs magic Jan 05 17:15:56 ah :-) Jan 05 17:18:54 some stutter remains :\ Jan 05 17:20:43 Have you accidentally enabled --max-headroom ? Jan 05 17:20:49 one glitch in one minute of reading? Jan 05 17:21:36 it speaks the sentence, then at the end repeats the first 0.1s of the sentence again Jan 05 17:22:00 I had this without dmix Jan 05 17:22:23 the .asoundrc file helped Jan 05 17:22:29 installing a systemwide asoundrc is less-than-ideal :\ Jan 05 17:22:41 I want it to work OOTB for everyone Jan 05 17:23:09 espeak+pulse can solve this Jan 05 17:23:43 but I have more glitches with it Jan 05 17:23:56 so perhaps pulseaudio 0.9.8, freerunner will help Jan 05 17:24:28 even when set to "pulse" I get the stutter Jan 05 17:25:14 nm,pulse doesn't work at all=) Jan 05 17:25:27 high cpu usage? Jan 05 17:26:07 here sd+espeak are customized for gta01 Jan 05 17:27:24 no, the plugin dies when set to pulse. Maybe my pulse-server is b0rked. Anyway, someone else can fix this... Jan 05 17:27:35 ok Jan 05 17:29:43 nice, when sd is running the OM xserver does not play screen-tap sounds Jan 05 17:30:41 same behavior with aplay instead of sd? Jan 05 17:31:31 hmm Jan 05 17:32:02 aplay: main:546: audio open error: Device or resource busy Jan 05 17:32:19 well, that's not very friendly for an alsa service... Jan 05 17:33:05 it would mean - on Neo at leat - that SD must only be started on demand, not via init Jan 05 17:34:33 usually with mixing capabilities there are not such issues Jan 05 17:35:31 no mixing OOTB on neo then...meh Jan 05 17:39:40 freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r30 10/trunk/software/py-proto/ (pygsmd.py sample.py): fixed parameter bug Jan 05 17:50:37 ~seen writchie Jan 05 17:50:40 writchie was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 17d 22h 58m 24s ago, saying: 'some 4 band 3g phones are called 3 band gsm 900/1800/1900 with UMTS 2100'. Jan 05 17:51:35 mickeyl: are you busy with fso?-) Jan 05 17:52:24 pretty much yeah Jan 05 17:52:36 dbus api first draft comes along nicely Jan 05 17:52:45 will write an official "RFC" to the list on monday Jan 05 17:52:50 * Stephmw is now officially looking for a new job Jan 05 17:52:58 then we can start using emdete's pygsmd to implement the dbus API Jan 05 17:53:04 get some experience with it Jan 05 17:53:07 and improve Jan 05 17:53:12 only after that Jan 05 17:53:18 we start with actual ohphoned Jan 05 17:53:27 (at least that's what i would recommend) Jan 05 17:54:53 i have tried to be active on the list but not much happens without other people :) Jan 05 17:55:18 sure Jan 05 17:55:28 it's as usual when starting something new Jan 05 17:55:33 the "critical mass" is not there yet Jan 05 17:55:37 but i'm working on it to change that Jan 05 17:57:33 do you give svn access to others or prefer patches instead? Jan 05 17:59:15 svn access Jan 05 17:59:31 we're small enough at this point of time Jan 05 17:59:34 no need to overcomplicate it Jan 05 17:59:40 just register @ linuxtogo.org Jan 05 17:59:44 then i will invite you Jan 05 17:59:51 and you can add yourself an svn key Jan 05 17:59:58 projects.linuxtogo.org, that is Jan 05 18:02:50 hi Jan 05 18:03:16 hi Jan 05 18:06:31 openmoko: 03werner * r3774 10/trunk/src/ (2 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) Jan 05 18:06:31 openmoko: target/u-boot/patches/uboot-20061030-neo1973.patch: disable HWSWP in LCDCON5 to Jan 05 18:06:31 openmoko: make frame buffer organization consistent with what u-boot's CFB driver Jan 05 18:06:31 openmoko: supports. Note that this requires pixels in swap screens to be swapped. Jan 05 18:06:31 openmoko: This resolves Jan 05 18:06:34 openmoko: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1140 Jan 05 18:06:36 openmoko: - board/neo1973/common/jbt6k74.c (board_video_init): disable HWSWP in LCDCON5 Jan 05 18:07:01 * * OM Bug 1160 has been created by roman.moravcik(AT)gmail.com Jan 05 18:07:02 * * SMS messages are sorted by date in ascending order. Jan 05 18:07:03 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1160 Jan 05 18:07:28 mickeyl: done Jan 05 18:07:57 sauna, bbl Jan 05 18:10:29 have fun Jan 05 18:12:03 Hello ! Which project have more features and more stable ? Jan 05 18:12:12 openmoko-messages or openmoko-messages2 ? Jan 05 18:14:04 mudyc: which realname do you have at projects.ltg? can't find you offhand Jan 05 18:17:22 mickeyl: hello Jan 05 18:17:58 mickeyl: do you think it's necessary show gsm applet popup on cipher change? Jan 05 18:18:51 mickeyl: i was just wondering why i see popup from gsm applet on every incoming / outgoing call Jan 05 18:58:23 doc|home, can you help me install openmoko? Jan 05 19:14:49 openmoko: 03werner * r3775 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (eabi-toolchain.patch series): Jan 05 19:14:49 openmoko: - series: enabled eabi-toolchain.patch (and moved it further up) Jan 05 19:14:49 openmoko: - eabi-toolchain.patch: for "raise", use "hang" instead of "_start" Jan 05 19:22:36 is GTA02=freerunner? Jan 05 19:22:48 Blastur: yes Jan 05 19:22:48 apparently Jan 05 19:22:59 and no, it's not really 500 MHz, it's a screwup Jan 05 19:24:19 ok Jan 05 19:24:54 afaik the person who made the announcement was asked to report the cpu's max supported frequency and it is just 500 MHz Jan 05 19:32:09 hehe, ok Jan 05 19:32:23 so perhaps you can overclock the neo to 500 mhz if you apply additional cooling ^^ Jan 05 19:33:30 anyway, it's a shame no community updates has been released.. its been 2 weeks since the last one, and i bet people are DYIng to know what the status of the project is.. especially now when a lot of people expected it for christmas Jan 05 19:33:51 the rumours about march sounds promising, but it'd be good to hear an official say it :) Jan 05 19:33:56 temperature is afaik not the problem. the cpu takes overproportional amouts of energy when run at full speed. Jan 05 19:34:10 oh Jan 05 19:34:14 its not linear? Jan 05 19:34:17 also the busclock goes down due to scaler ranges Jan 05 19:34:22 no. Jan 05 19:34:34 i wish we lived in a linear world Jan 05 19:34:38 things would be so simple Jan 05 19:34:47 dont you, roh ? Jan 05 19:35:14 you also have to tune the voltage up to make it any stable. 500mhz requres higher voltages according to the datasheet (and all devices crash if not done) Jan 05 19:35:30 okay, so its not an easy hack :) i get it Jan 05 19:35:36 i wasn't gonna attempt it anyway Jan 05 19:35:46 a linear world world.. dunnoo.. sounds scary Jan 05 19:35:50 what about underclocking for better battery life? Jan 05 19:35:58 easy more or less.. making sure its stable and usefulkl hard Jan 05 19:35:59