**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 16 02:59:57 2008 Jan 16 06:01:00 * * OM Bug 1184 has been created by cwixon(AT)usa.net Jan 16 06:01:02 * * Month View for January 08 displays incorrect week numbers Jan 16 06:01:02 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1184 Jan 16 06:19:02 Hi, all Can I want to update my Openmoko build environment. Shall I update if It is ok to build ? Jan 16 06:23:18 , any Idea ? Jan 16 06:23:27 CM, any Idea ? Jan 16 06:43:18 openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r3853 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (include/gsmd/usock.h src/gsmd/sms_pdu.c): gsmd: update sms pdu len and fix typos (Wang Yanke) Jan 16 06:54:32 CIA-1 Are you working on gsmd ? If then I need your help Jan 16 07:08:50 Atul_: CIA-1 is a piece of software which mirrors commit messages into IRC channels Jan 16 07:09:25 rwhitby, oh sorry i dont have idea new to irc Jan 16 08:09:02 good morning Jan 16 08:16:33 morning Jan 16 08:48:25 can someone explain to me what ccache does? Jan 16 08:52:05 emdete: caches the result of a compile Jan 16 09:31:17 XorA: shure.. but how/what? if i compile the same c-source again? Jan 16 09:31:39 XorA: isn't that what make is for? to /not/ compile the same stuff again? Jan 16 10:11:14 good morning Jan 16 10:12:37 morning Jan 16 10:13:38 hello Jan 16 10:44:26 hi Jan 16 10:55:00 morning Jan 16 11:10:06 hi Mac Jan 16 11:10:23 hrw: Hi Marcin Jan 16 11:10:53 hey guys Jan 16 11:11:00 anyone know where to get the latest settingsGUI? Jan 16 11:11:05 is it released yet? Jan 16 11:11:15 i wanna use the BT pane .. Jan 16 11:24:14 never midn igot it Jan 16 12:19:29 hi Jan 16 12:21:57 torpor I am still working on it - though mickey has put a .bb of the beta to the oe repository - source is at: http://mput.de/~kristian/.openmoko/settingsgui-0.8-beta.tar.bz2 <-- bluetooth panel is still buggy Jan 16 12:22:32 torpor i hope to release a tested version on thursday Jan 16 12:23:51 What're the power management problems with 2007.11? Jan 16 13:35:10 mickeyl: are you aroung? Jan 16 13:36:06 kind of Jan 16 13:36:36 mickeyl: did you make openmoko-terminal2? Jan 16 13:37:05 yes Jan 16 13:37:42 has it been removed from the build or is there just a server error Jan 16 13:38:18 I liked having it i in there but you have to remove it to get a build to run Jan 16 13:44:27 builds fine here Jan 16 13:44:32 is your tree up to date? Jan 16 13:48:27 Err Jan 16 13:48:31 does OM run X? Jan 16 13:48:47 Someone is asking me, i have completely forgot everything :/ Jan 16 13:49:01 Yes Jan 16 13:56:23 On the theme of X Jan 16 13:56:39 has anyone tried different bit depths? Jan 16 13:58:55 hi Jan 16 13:59:16 doubt rgding OE.. Jan 16 13:59:52 I have specified DEPENDS in bb file as DEPENDS = "eet-moko-host evas-moko-host ecore-moko-host embryo-moko-host edje-moko-host" Jan 16 14:00:32 but when i do a build the dependencies are not built.. Jan 16 14:00:41 any reasons for the same? Jan 16 14:01:52 DEPENDS are built Jan 16 14:01:54 but not packaged Jan 16 14:02:07 only if you bitbake something that RDEPENDS on them Jan 16 14:02:12 so either an image Jan 16 14:02:22 or a metapackage Jan 16 14:02:32 just try RDEPENDS instead of DEPENDS Jan 16 14:02:54 build on DEPENDS are not at all called.. Jan 16 14:03:03 will try it out.. Jan 16 14:05:50 openmoko: 03chris * r3855 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/src/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Move MokoAlsaVolumeButton/Control to phone-kit from dialer Jan 16 14:10:35 freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r43 10/trunk/standards/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Phonebook.xml: otapi: add first sketch of org.freesmartphone.GSM.Phonebook Jan 16 14:10:52 freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r44 10/trunk/standards/otapi/ (5 files): otapi: misc dbus interface changes/improvements Jan 16 14:11:12 mickeyl: I'm just pushing a bb for that modified gsmd with LiPS stuff. Please take a look and verify that it is not going to break libgsmd... Jan 16 14:11:27 XorA should check this Jan 16 14:11:34 he did the latest work on gsmd bb Jan 16 14:11:42 okay :) Jan 16 14:12:09 * XorA shudders and hides under a rock Jan 16 14:12:09 XorA: read that? :-) Jan 16 14:12:24 that should apply to libgsmd-devel? Jan 16 14:18:33 mickeyl: no sucess Jan 16 14:18:52 hmm, strange Jan 16 14:18:54 mickeyl: any reference on meta-package bb file? Jan 16 14:19:06 e.g. have a look at files under meta/ and tasks/ Jan 16 14:19:19 k.. Jan 16 14:19:20 or, e.g. python/python-efl.bb Jan 16 14:20:57 strange. my bb file is almost similar.. Jan 16 14:21:04 let me check.. Jan 16 14:28:23 florian: that .bb file is going to go horribly wrong Jan 16 14:29:10 XorA: ah too bad... i did not sped much time in that one. let me know what i should change... Jan 16 14:29:19 florian: CONFLICT_NAME Jan 16 14:29:34 florian: it can only take one argument Jan 16 14:29:45 florian: and Ive no idea how to do a 3 way version Jan 16 14:30:06 although I secretly suspect no-one uses libgsmd-devel anyway Jan 16 14:30:44 XorA: ah right i see... yes, that is going to blow up at some point Jan 16 14:33:28 XorA: sounds like a job for a virtual/gsmd Jan 16 14:34:44 florian: I suspect nothing would go horribly wrong if we just removed all the CONFLICTS Jan 16 14:34:58 florian: the packages naturally conflict by installing the same files Jan 16 14:35:25 ah, but that breaks the RPROVIDES, hrmmmm Jan 16 14:36:01 although we can assume that libgsmd-plugin does not provide libgsmd-devel-plugin Jan 16 14:36:18 possibly Jan 16 14:41:19 * XorA will have to ponder again on how to do gsmd if everyone is eventing new ones Jan 16 14:42:20 We could make all three PROVIDE virtual/gsmd annd if we et the dependencies correctly and RPROVIDES everythign should be fine. Jan 16 14:43:34 XorA: That's true.. well these people have a good idea in mind and once it is properly integrated this LiPS API might be beneficial upstream. Jan 16 14:44:58 florian: yeah, I was just trying to cut down the typing when I made the .inc file Jan 16 14:45:13 hmm, florian, wasn't the plan to implement the LiPS API on top of the dbus service? Jan 16 14:46:23 whats LiPs Jan 16 14:46:38 Linux in Phones I think Jan 16 14:47:53 XorA: ok, then i'll wait before i try to touch it again Jan 16 14:48:52 mickeyl: yeah... but they hat this example implementation already and since we want to make st stuff usable asap that's a good step ahead. Jan 16 14:49:18 mickeyl: I have a reminder for a telco about that for this week :) Jan 16 14:49:19 righto Jan 16 14:50:00 Sup3rkiddo, XorA: lipsforum.org that is Jan 16 14:50:51 florian: ahah, right words used in wrong way :-D Jan 16 14:51:48 * florian remembers the fun finding a name for LiPS-related projects :-) Jan 16 14:52:08 lips-tick :-) Jan 16 14:52:25 * SpeedEvil stabs XorA Jan 16 14:52:26 lips-lock Jan 16 14:53:13 Anyone played with low colour depths in the fb/X server? Jan 16 14:55:06 As I understand it, the LCD connections to the LCD are not easily removable? Jan 16 14:55:18 and replacable without damage that is Jan 16 14:56:42 the LCD<->board connector is similar to the debug board one, just a bit smaller and more fragile Jan 16 14:56:53 the toughest part is removing the display, since it's glued to the board Jan 16 14:56:55 but possible Jan 16 14:57:15 Ok - so that's I think a no - if I want to keep it working. Jan 16 14:57:32 yes. i wouldn't do that to my sole neo Jan 16 14:58:07 I'm doing related stuff - attaching a PSP display to an identical CPU. Jan 16 14:58:25 Do you happen to know what sort of glue - for future reference - silicone? Jan 16 14:58:36 sticky, I suspect. Jan 16 14:58:41 :) Jan 16 14:58:52 my first couple of Neo were held together by gaffa tape Jan 16 14:59:42 taoe++ Jan 16 15:02:57 SpeedEvil waht kind of board are you using? Jan 16 15:03:15 SpeedEvil ... if you can say Jan 16 15:04:30 Can't right now, sorry Jan 16 15:05:10 Maybe in a week. It is a nice board, Jan 16 15:06:22 SpeedEvil i guess it is :-) - have fun Jan 16 15:15:18 * XorA goes into town Jan 16 15:23:30 openmoko: 03chris * r3856 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (8 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) Jan 16 15:23:30 openmoko: * configure.ac: Jan 16 15:23:30 openmoko: * src/phone-kit/Makefile.am: Jan 16 15:23:30 openmoko: Add alsa to dependencies and compile volume control object/widget Jan 16 15:23:30 openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-alsa-volume-button.c: Jan 16 15:23:31 openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-alsa-volume-button.h: Jan 16 15:23:35 openmoko: Remove unused MokoAlsaVolumeButton Jan 16 15:25:05 OMG, openstreetmaps is awesomest Jan 16 15:29:24 Sup3rkiddo: Did you just look at it? Jan 16 15:29:50 I mean, for the first time Jan 16 15:29:53 wurp2, na, lol....plotted some points around my home with the neo Jan 16 15:30:07 wurp2, i didnt get a gps fix until today Jan 16 15:30:24 Did you upload them to OSM somehow? I dunno how to do that except some pretty manual ways... Jan 16 15:30:38 Sup3rkiddo: ugh! Jan 16 15:30:40 afk for a bit... Jan 16 15:31:08 wurp2, not yet, i am gonna roam around a bit more, Chennai is horribly devoid in OSM Jan 16 15:32:48 You go from NMEA -> GPX , and then either upload the GPX to the server, or load it into JOSM. Jan 16 15:33:28 Then - assuming JOSM - you create ways along the tracks, and set them to the appriate types Jan 16 15:33:46 -> wurp2 Jan 16 15:34:19 yup, yup..yup...=D, Jan 16 15:34:24 See wiki.openstreetmap.org and click on 'getting started' Jan 16 15:34:31 * Sup3rkiddo is now a cartographer B) Jan 16 15:34:42 You've got your own cart? Jan 16 15:34:49 blrh Jan 16 15:35:05 The cart is the easy part. The horse is the tough one. Jan 16 15:35:55 Oh - and #osm over on irc.oftc.net Jan 16 15:36:23 * mwester can build a cart easily, but he is having trouble with building the horse part. Lightening is scarce at this time of year, and assistants named "Igor" are hard to find. :( Jan 16 15:36:47 man, thats lamest thing i have heard today Jan 16 15:37:01 mwester, you obviously suck at standup comedy :? Jan 16 15:37:22 So I've been told. Jan 16 15:39:58 :P Jan 16 15:52:58 openmoko: 03chris * r3857 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-alsa-volume-control.c): Jan 16 15:52:58 openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-alsa-volume-control.c: Jan 16 15:52:58 openmoko: (moko_alsa_volume_control_set_device_from_name): Jan 16 15:52:58 openmoko: Finish implementing (didn't realise I left this unfinished): Fix Jan 16 15:52:58 openmoko: infinite loop, get card name correctly and resolve alsa alias Jan 16 16:13:29 openmoko: 03chris * r3858 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-alsa-volume-scale.c): Jan 16 16:13:29 openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-alsa-volume-scale.c: (create_widgets): Jan 16 16:13:29 openmoko: Remove rogue '.png' on the end of icon names Jan 16 16:22:22 Sup3rkiddo: Why so long to get a fix? Jan 16 16:23:52 wurp2, Get your phone back yet? Jan 16 16:24:15 kdean06: Nope :-( Jan 16 16:24:39 I'm guessing possibly today, probably by end of tomorrow, and almost certainly by end of Friday Jan 16 16:24:48 Hrm. Jan 16 16:24:51 Michael mailed it back to me on Monday Jan 16 16:26:08 Cool. :) Jan 16 16:26:38 I guess ;-) Jan 16 16:27:00 It'll be cooler when it's back in my hands, and I can play with gprs, etc. Jan 16 16:27:07 I'm getting segfaults on openmoko-messages2 after inserting my wife's SIM card and getting 8 SMS messages she couldn't access... Are those messages stored in /root or elsewhere? I don't want to kill them on today's flash. Jan 16 16:27:09 Does your audio player skip? Jan 16 16:27:15 Occasionally. Jan 16 16:27:24 More when it's on the speakers than on the headphones. Jan 16 16:27:40 Hmm, I'll have to pay attention next time Jan 16 16:27:46 I thought I remembered it skipping on both Jan 16 16:27:57 I have no idea where the SMSs are stored :-( Jan 16 16:28:28 Is there a python api yet to the moko api? Jan 16 16:29:56 kdean06: Have you tried QTopia yet? Jan 16 16:30:24 I haven't... I'm semi-reluctant to do so because it feels like cheating. :P Jan 16 16:30:32 I felt the same way Jan 16 16:30:37 The UI is much snappier Jan 16 16:30:48 And more of the 'end user' type stuff works Jan 16 16:31:18 The audio is *much* louder and clearer (I'm sure if I knew enough about alsa I could get the same from openmoko's media player) Jan 16 16:31:21 and it doesn't skip Jan 16 16:31:22 wurp2, i am supposed to work on that =), i have the gsmd API coverd in sorts but emdette's version is much more stabler as it talks over pyserial Jan 16 16:31:23 BUT Jan 16 16:31:33 No, real reason... I'm documenting the applications on OpenMoko and I'd rather not do dual-booting before I get the "basics" down and feel more comfortable with OpenMoko and the Neo itself. Jan 16 16:31:47 no terminal! Which is just a show stopper for me Jan 16 16:31:50 and no real docs Jan 16 16:31:55 Sup3rkiddo: Cool!! Jan 16 16:31:58 wurp2, http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/python-openmoko/ Jan 16 16:32:10 Sup3rkiddo: tyvm! Jan 16 16:32:45 kdean06: Are you publishing these docs? Jan 16 16:33:06 I will, or I plan to. Jan 16 16:33:21 Sup3rkiddo: Is python-openmoko your project? Jan 16 16:33:38 wurp2, the python-gsmd is for the libgsmd API, freesmartphone.org also has some python stuff but more stable Jan 16 16:34:00 I haven't written anything yet except a very wordy review of Day 1 using the thing, but I plan to break down every application - documenting bugs and filing them as well as writing simple "How to" type stuff as one would find in a manual. Jan 16 16:34:02 kdean06: Yaknow, if you just entered them directly on the wiki, ppl would be updating them & helping you complete them as you go along (hint, hint) ;-) Jan 16 16:34:19 Did you look at that manual link I sent you? Jan 16 16:34:24 lol Jan 16 16:34:31 wurp2, yeah i am one among the team, lemme know if you are interested in binding openmoko-libs, Jan 16 16:34:49 If I can get MokoMakefile to build through clean once I may contribute some Jan 16 16:34:52 wurp2, I must be crazy, I recall you mentioning it but I STILL don't think I've seen a link. :P Lemme check my logs to see. Jan 16 16:34:56 but my time is very restricted Jan 16 16:35:12 kdean06: sec Jan 16 16:35:18 wurp2, yup sure, any help...i could use help from an experienced dude Jan 16 16:35:34 kdean06: http://openmoko.togaware.com/survivor/openmoko.html Jan 16 16:36:44 kdean06: I'm pretty sure I posted it last time I brought it up, but I didn't label it Jan 16 16:37:06 Bookmarked. :P Jan 16 16:37:14 neo1973 manual link (out of date, but still useful): http://openmoko.togaware.com/survivor/openmoko.html Jan 16 16:37:18 now it's labelled Jan 16 16:38:00 Sup3rkiddo: So far my way of getting MokoMakefile to build through is just run my script to do the update sequence they list on the wiki Jan 16 16:38:23 And just keep doing that each time I think about it, assuming that EVENTUALLY the repository will have something that builds in it Jan 16 16:38:57 wurp2, hmm, thats kinda sucky, but once you have a clean build its smooth...i struggled for two weeks in the beginning Jan 16 16:39:31 Sup3rkiddo: Yeah, I figured that would be the case (it would be smooth after the first clean one). Hence the lackluster effort on my part Jan 16 16:39:44 Eventually it will work, and then my laziness will have paid off Jan 16 16:39:47 wurp2, hehe.. Jan 16 16:43:15 I love that exit quip. :p Jan 16 17:02:07 hi 2 all Jan 16 17:06:27 hi yoyo Jan 16 17:21:34 Sun is aquiring MySQL. Jan 16 17:21:52 http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/compiler_complaint.png Jan 16 17:21:55 now it's yoursql :/ Jan 16 17:22:00 not mysql! Jan 16 17:22:39 My being the name of one of the founders daughters :P Jan 16 17:23:12 Mononoke, Love it. Jan 16 17:28:28 I love about 90% of xkcd Jan 16 17:28:35 and I like the other 10% quite a bit Jan 16 17:29:18 oh, for anyone who's sick of firefox truncating xkcd's hover-overs: http://home.etu.unige.ch/~robin0/LongTitles_en.html Jan 16 17:29:29 its fixed in FF3.0 Jan 16 17:31:56 I've heard that the gta02 gets only 10h of battery life. Is this right? Jan 16 17:32:09 cjb_ie: thank you! Jan 16 17:32:16 That seems... rediculously low. Jan 16 17:32:45 cjb_ie: Installed. Thanks! Jan 16 17:33:09 mgregsond: It's more like 6 hours when you're lucky, you can count on 4. Jan 16 17:33:16 mre: Powersaving is not done Jan 16 17:33:28 mre: there is work on doing it Jan 16 17:33:54 mgregsond: You know the phone is still under development, not consumer ready? Jan 16 17:34:22 In principle it looks like powersaving can be considerably better than it is - for GTA01 and GTA02 Jan 16 17:34:59 wurp2: Yeah, the a01 gets ~6 hours Jan 16 17:35:08 wurp2: Wasn't the a02 a consumer release though? Jan 16 17:35:09 mgregsond: Sorry, I see now that you said '02 :-) Jan 16 17:35:20 mgregsond: I have no idea what the life is like on 02 Jan 16 17:35:41 wurp2: The last estimate I heard was 10h... :s Jan 16 17:35:47 mgregsond: But I'm pretty sure that the power saving software is not done for either platform, so 10 hours sounds like a reasonable estimate for current '02 time Jan 16 17:35:50 mgregsond: the final 02 release hardware is not determined Jan 16 17:35:57 wurp2: I'm hoping it's, well... 4 times that. Jan 16 17:36:11 mgregsond: It will do that - powered off and wake on ring Jan 16 17:36:18 mgregsond: I think it will be, in standby mode Jan 16 17:36:25 mgregsond: That bit is yet to be coded though Jan 16 17:36:38 Ah, so this is a software thing and no Jan 16 17:36:40 mgregsond: SpeedEvil knows more than I about it Jan 16 17:36:48 mgregsond: basically, yes Jan 16 17:36:53 not a really shitty battery... Jan 16 17:37:01 mgregsond: powersaving hardware is only the on-off switches. Jan 16 17:37:26 mgregsond: the software has to prepare all of the preconditions to throwing these switches, and throw them at the right time. Jan 16 17:37:46 The power saving stuff will be done for that a02 release? Jan 16 17:37:56 mgregsond: And be able to cleanly recover from being turned off. Jan 16 17:38:02 mgregsond: maybe Jan 16 17:38:57 Any idea what kind of battery life is reasonable to expect after the powersaving is implemented? Jan 16 17:39:06 mgregsond: The hardware will possibly be ready before the software. Jan 16 17:39:15 _VERY_ROUGH_GUESSES_ Jan 16 17:39:31 Some months in suspend-RAM, with everything off Jan 16 17:39:44 Will that still wake on ring? Jan 16 17:39:47 A year or more completely off - in suspend to disk Jan 16 17:39:49 No Jan 16 17:40:11 About 80 hours or more in suspend-RAM with GSM on Jan 16 17:40:30 If you can actually pull that off, I'll buy one. ;) Jan 16 17:40:36 And maybe 20-40 hours with bluetooth on - it's hard to tell Jan 16 17:41:04 Much of this is hard to measure. Jan 16 17:41:08 SpeedEvil: My old WM5 phone got ~3h with bluetooth on. 20 hours is at least longer than a work day... Jan 16 17:42:13 Basically as the hardware can't be properly measured until the software is ready. Jan 16 17:42:26 Yeah Jan 16 17:42:53 sorry, I'm trying to decide if the a02 will be worth buying or not. Jan 16 17:42:57 Well - with absolutely no powersaving other than the display being off, it gets some 5h or so with bluetooth on, logging an external GPS Jan 16 17:43:08 SpeedEvil: The a02? Jan 16 17:43:08 I'd say you can't tell at this time. Jan 16 17:43:41 But, should I wait until I can, or just buy something else? Jan 16 17:44:15 GTA01 will hopefully show progress in power managment in the next few weeks Jan 16 17:44:19 I played with an a01 running qtopia yesterday and it was pretty sweet... Jan 16 17:44:34 There is work done on cpufreq Jan 16 17:44:53 mgregsond, Don't let the release of Freerunner determine anything. It might be out tomorrow, it might not be out until 2012. Though if you'd like to help development (which is pretty much all that's happening with Freerunner now anyway) you can always get an 01. :) Jan 16 17:46:18 kdean06: Problem is, with the a01's current battery life it's not actually useful. Plus, the 850mhz band... Jan 16 17:48:41 At this point, the software is crappy enough that there's only so much use anyway - I can't access messages2 without a segfault - improved battery life doesn't really matter and that's a software issue not a hardware one - if you're looking for a fully functional phone replacement that's even further off than Freerunner's release. Jan 16 17:49:02 I see... Jan 16 17:52:28 kdean06: But it can make and receive phone calls, yes? Jan 16 17:52:51 Most of the time, yes. Jan 16 17:52:55 lol Jan 16 17:53:20 My 01 can, I mean. I assume Freerunner also can, I've not seen that hardware. Jan 16 17:56:51 kdean06: Alright. Thanks :) Jan 16 18:00:57 kdean06: If the a02 comes with 850mhz band support, then I can at least hope that with enough work I'll end up with a fully functional phone. I'll wait for news on the a02 850mhz model... Jan 16 18:02:15 kdean06: Last time I used windows mobile it wasn't in a state that I'd consider 'finished' yet either. With moko I can atleast hack at it myself. Jan 16 18:03:19 Damned thing used to occasionally crash and lose everything. Jan 16 18:03:46 (Occasionally -> once every week or so...) Jan 16 18:04:26 SpeedEvil: Thanks for the help. Jan 16 18:07:39 mgregsond: I was told when I orderd my '01 that the '02 would include a tri-band 850 mhz version Jan 16 18:08:07 I really expect to use my 01 as my primary phone once it gets back from Michael Shiloh Jan 16 18:08:31 The battery life is crap, but I'm rarely away from a PC for more than 2 hours Jan 16 18:09:02 And when I am, I can bring my charger with me. Occasionally I'll run out of battery, but it'll be less than once a month Jan 16 18:09:30 and if SpeedEvil is right that some of the battery life issues will be resolved in a few weeks, I may never run out before the issue is fixed Jan 16 18:10:13 and if I lose the occasional call, well, I really want the gps and media player more than I want to talk on a cell phone, anyway Jan 16 18:10:55 hi Jan 16 18:15:33 Wifi needed here Jan 16 18:16:09 GTA01 ... progress in power management ? Jan 16 18:16:12 any details ? Jan 16 18:19:18 * SpeedEvil consults his magic-8-ball. Jan 16 18:19:22 Ask again later. Jan 16 18:19:42 gah .. okay Jan 16 18:20:04 More seriously. Jan 16 18:20:20 There is someone - whoes name I'm blanking on - doing work on PM Jan 16 18:20:26 cesarb? Jan 16 18:20:33 good... Jan 16 18:20:43 He's got lots of code - nothing actually compiled as I understand it though Jan 16 18:21:12 interesting Jan 16 18:21:16 to do stuff like changing frequency and adjusting appropruiate registers in peripherals so they stay working Jan 16 18:22:02 "yay" Jan 16 18:22:53 I'm sure it's cesarb now ... he's the one who started the power management keys page on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_management_keys Jan 16 18:22:56 :-D Jan 16 18:23:51 I plan in the next weeks to be getting on with nasty hacks That's a horribly generalised page Jan 16 18:24:04 s/s T/s, T/ Jan 16 18:24:04 SpeedEvil meant: I plan in the next weeks to be getting on with nasty hacks, That's a horribly generalised page Jan 16 18:24:19 hehe Jan 16 18:24:49 It should at least say something like "on some [[PC]] keyboards after 2000' or simialr. Jan 16 18:25:14 SpeedEvil: He has lots of code, but none of it's compiling? Jan 16 18:25:19 Yes. Jan 16 18:25:24 As he's not tried. Jan 16 18:25:33 That is a nonstandard way to work, to say the least Jan 16 18:26:13 If it works for him. Jan 16 18:28:11 * cb23 wonders if the gta02's bigger battery would work in the gta01 Jan 16 18:28:44 I wonder if the new Li batteries with nano-silicon wire will work in the '01 Jan 16 18:28:44 My guess would be no. Jan 16 18:28:53 ->cb23 Jan 16 18:29:04 Of course, they're just under development now, but several x the battery life would be very cool ;-) Jan 16 18:29:08 The 'middle bit' of the case is getting totally revamped Jan 16 18:29:15 s/ x / times / Jan 16 18:29:16 wurp2 meant: Of course, they're just under development now, but several times the battery life would be very cool ;-) Jan 16 18:29:39 SpeedEvil, ah, internal / nonvisable changes only ish? Jan 16 18:29:40 wurp2: well - incresed energy density in cells isn't always good. Jan 16 18:30:07 http://youtube.com/watch?v=4OsBc8RqSKU Jan 16 18:30:39 cb23, SpeedEvil: i think they work Jan 16 18:30:40 * cb23 guesses its a liion/poli explosion Jan 16 18:30:50 cb23'd be right. Jan 16 18:30:50 no flash :/ Jan 16 18:30:56 Quite a good one. Jan 16 18:30:59 heh, those things are mean Jan 16 18:31:09 Jet of roaring flame and all. Jan 16 18:31:32 * cb23 recalls the time he used a laptop battery to power speakers Jan 16 18:31:33 i have two of the FIC batteries and they work fine in GTA01 but i'm not sure if they are the new ones yet Jan 16 18:31:57 i was all scared, and then figured that they have internal circutry that should keep them stable enough Jan 16 18:32:06 balrog-kun, the 1700mah one? Jan 16 18:32:09 they are thicker than my nokia BL-5C battery, so they may be the new model, but i'm not sure Jan 16 18:32:12 what's it say on the backl bal? Jan 16 18:32:27 Mine says FIC, then four lines, then 1200MaH Jan 16 18:32:29 mAh Jan 16 18:32:36 cbrake_away: in principle. Jan 16 18:32:38 cb23: Jan 16 18:32:40 it still says GTA01 battery on them, lemme check what's the ampere number on them is Jan 16 18:32:47 MaH would be nice Jan 16 18:33:04 ah, no, they are 1200mAh Li-ion too Jan 16 18:33:04 who would care about power management then :) Jan 16 18:33:10 Mega angstrom henries? Jan 16 18:33:21 i thought they were the new ones since they're thicker than my old battery Jan 16 18:33:26 i only had the Nokia one until now Jan 16 18:33:41 SpeedEvil: milliamp-hours Jan 16 18:34:07 cb23: the problem is that you rely on the safety circuitry 100%, and if anything goes wrong, you've got a 2m blowtorch just next to your genitals. Jan 16 18:34:35 genitals... blowtorch... bad... Jan 16 18:34:52 actually it says GTC-01/GTA-01, not sure what that means Jan 16 18:34:54 SpeedEvil: My understanding is that the chemical explosion is not directly related to the mAh in the battery Jan 16 18:35:13 Several improvements to Li energy density have also improved safety Jan 16 18:35:15 Some chemistries are 'passively safe' - if you stab them or something goes wrong, they don't explode in that manner. Jan 16 18:35:30 wurp2: Not directly no, chemistry is important too. Jan 16 18:35:34 yeah, last i heard, c4 was pretty stable too :) Jan 16 18:35:50 provided you dont carry a blasting cap in the same pocket Jan 16 18:35:54 wurp2: the problem is that if it gets hot enough to melt the batteries seperator then things get going _really_ fast. Jan 16 18:36:22 wurp2: then in many chemistries, the internal compounds are flammable. Jan 16 18:36:45 So that when the cell vents, you can get a blowtorch Jan 16 18:37:10 Especially as particles of molten lithium may get carried along to aid ignition. Jan 16 19:00:22 I need to go scrue ma savage into one peass Jan 16 19:00:24 sija Jan 16 19:22:07 * bkruse waves to I-MOD Jan 16 19:45:13 haa :) my savage is from now on in one pice ;) Jan 16 19:45:33 eh? Jan 16 19:46:00 sorry for my English :/ Jan 16 19:47:08 what's a savage? Jan 16 19:48:05 doc|work: I mean. I have a remote control care savage (hpi) and five minutes ago it whose disassembled. now it isn't Jan 16 19:48:30 :) Jan 16 19:56:12 Crap, I just had my first experience the the GTA01's crappy power management. :S Jan 16 19:56:28 kdean06: what happened? Jan 16 19:56:46 It's dead. :P Jan 16 19:56:57 It's not dead. Jan 16 19:57:01 It's just resting! Jan 16 19:57:05 Indeed! Jan 16 19:57:18 You know how to revive it? Jan 16 19:57:54 unplug, remove battery 10 mins, replace, replug, wait 1h and it should boot Jan 16 19:58:31 It will be enough to run it for a few minutes Jan 16 19:58:35 Fair enough, thanks. Jan 16 19:58:46 So, has this been confirmed a hardware fault, or still unknown? Jan 16 19:59:51 It's a firmware fault Jan 16 20:00:05 It needs to suspend at 5% battery use Jan 16 20:00:08 left Jan 16 20:00:14 Or turn off at 1% Jan 16 20:00:25 at the moment, it simply drains the battery all the way Jan 16 20:00:43 fun Jan 16 20:04:29 The thing that got me was that I went on a trip right after I got my gta01 Jan 16 20:04:35 and I was only around Windows machines Jan 16 20:04:47 and I could never get it to pull 500 mA from a windows machine Jan 16 20:05:20