**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 23 02:59:57 2008 Jan 23 03:02:47 hoors Jan 23 03:06:30 I *loathe* hard drives. I've never had a volontary laptop replacement. The hard drive always croaks while I'm still perfectly happy with the machine. Jan 23 03:07:05 Has anyone in here used a solid state IDE drive before? Jan 23 03:09:01 y Jan 23 03:09:36 to a imited degree Jan 23 03:09:48 512M CF->IDE adaptor Jan 23 03:10:51 Hmm. I have a Soekris box with a CF card for the boot drive, and it's a little pokey. Jan 23 03:11:39 Sure - you can easily get 4G ones Jan 23 03:11:44 larger is harder to get Jan 23 03:12:38 I've been looking at this one : http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2552721&CatId=2503 Jan 23 03:13:28 I survived with an 8 GB drive before, but a little bigger would be nice Jan 23 03:13:39 * sparq sighs Jan 23 03:13:53 thats pretty pricey Jan 23 03:14:22 About the same as the replacement part from IBM ;_; Jan 23 03:14:53 considering 8g cf (fast 20mb/sec) is half that price Jan 23 03:15:14 u pay an extra $100 just for the 1.8" form factor and cf->ide interface Jan 23 03:15:25 True. Jan 23 03:16:45 you can get those for like $10-$20 Jan 23 03:17:15 Hmm... I'll have to see if I can find one that will fit into the drive sled Jan 23 03:17:46 u can get one for a 2.5" ide hdd form-factor Jan 23 03:17:53 one that even accepts dual CF cards Jan 23 03:17:58 so u can put in 2x8g Jan 23 03:18:00 or put in 8g now Jan 23 03:18:04 and 8g later when its cheaper Jan 23 03:18:09 in addition Jan 23 03:18:16 that is about $20 Jan 23 03:18:21 2.5" doesn't do me any good, though Jan 23 03:18:25 i know Jan 23 03:18:35 just so u know that u pay a premium for the 1.8" there Jan 23 03:18:56 beleive me, I know ;_; Jan 23 03:19:08 I have a 1.3" drive you could have cheap. Jan 23 03:19:14 20MB Jan 23 03:19:35 Can store tens of mp3s! Jan 23 03:19:39 Whoa, I could maybe fit my kernel on that! Jan 23 03:20:46 I think I have one of those in my junk drawer that I pulled out of an AT&T Eo (don't ask why I had one of those pieces of shit) Jan 23 03:21:51 I bought 5 surplus. Jan 23 03:21:58 They were cheap - $20 Jan 23 03:22:06 And I was sure I'd find some use for them. Jan 23 03:22:17 throwing at coworkers? Jan 23 03:22:23 http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=11521 Jan 23 03:22:28 1.8" Jan 23 03:22:36 CF->ide 1.8" Jan 23 03:22:50 not sure if it works for your x40 tho Jan 23 03:22:56 I was planning at this time a portable PC based on AMDs 386/33 embedded chip Jan 23 03:23:11 Hmm.... Jan 23 03:23:41 Handheld rather Jan 23 03:24:15 Hmm... I might be able to use that, actually Jan 23 03:24:31 Naah - it's PIO even. Jan 23 03:24:46 Oh, ick. Jan 23 03:24:52 i would defintiely think a cf->ide adaptor if u find one that will work Jan 23 03:24:56 then u can buy any cf u like Jan 23 03:24:58 And Indeed Jan 23 03:24:58 any size Jan 23 03:25:12 and replace when its cheaper/bigger Jan 23 03:25:58 one day i'll get to replacing the 30g hdd that powers rootfs on my media pc Jan 23 03:26:06 I have doubts you'll ever see 32G CF Jan 23 03:26:07 one day... Jan 23 03:26:23 No - ever Jan 23 03:26:28 As in CF will go away Jan 23 03:26:34 yea Jan 23 03:26:52 SpeedEvil: 32gb cf already exists Jan 23 03:26:59 Well - 128 then Jan 23 03:27:20 for a rootfs Jan 23 03:27:22 thats all i need Jan 23 03:27:29 hell 4gb is overkill Jan 23 03:27:34 my media go on a raid array Jan 23 03:27:43 i just want the core os/everyhting to not need a hdd Jan 23 03:27:44 heh. Maybe I could use a dual SD-IDE adapter, and run software RAID Jan 23 03:28:04 raster: I tend to do similar. Jan 23 03:28:08 Will OM 2007.11 auto switch to USB Host mode? Jan 23 03:28:13 raster: 4.7G root partition. Jan 23 03:28:26 KrisAbsinthe: there is no simple detection mechanism Jan 23 03:28:36 SpeedEvil: so u find replacing the hdd with cf works well? Jan 23 03:28:51 I've only done it on a carputer Jan 23 03:28:57 SpeedEvil: How did you discover that adapter only uses PIO mode? Jan 23 03:29:02 4.7G root partition - for easy backups. Jan 23 03:29:15 sparrow: no - it was a 1.3" PIO 20MB hard drive Jan 23 03:29:16 SpeedEvil: Thanks, are there developers working on it or is that a good project for me? Jan 23 03:30:00 KrisAbsinthe: well - not really - there is no automated way to detect if a device or a host is plugged in Jan 23 03:30:24 KrisAbsinthe: I suppose you could try to talk host if there is no device. But that's a bit messy. Jan 23 03:32:13 SpeedEvil: It could be done on Device IDs , listing what devices use Host and falling back on device mode if an ID is not present, a config file kind of like how old PCMCIA drivers were defined Jan 23 03:33:17 Err - no. Jan 23 03:33:24 sorry, if specific IDs are not present Jan 23 03:33:33 There are two completely seperate configs that the USB port can be in. Jan 23 03:33:40 It can pretend to be a device. Jan 23 03:33:52 Mass-storage, usb-net, usb-serial, or whatever. Jan 23 03:34:03 You can plug this into a computer and use it as normal. Jan 23 03:34:18 Or it can be a host - into which you plug devices Jan 23 03:35:35 right, have a daemon that detects which mode in which to set the USB based on a host device list Jan 23 03:35:49 Doesn't work Jan 23 03:36:03 The two modes are completely seperate. Jan 23 03:36:11 If you plug two devices together, they don't talk. Jan 23 03:36:22 If you plug two hosts together they don't talk Jan 23 03:36:35 I don't think Jan 23 03:36:48 oops Jan 23 03:37:02 that was a mischan Jan 23 03:37:05 anyway Jan 23 03:37:24 I don't think there will be electrical damage Jan 23 03:37:36 I'm unsure how much it will confuse a USB host if you plug in another USB host Jan 23 03:37:55 See fig 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common-emitter Jan 23 03:37:56 oops Jan 23 03:38:20 Oh no, i want the Moko to detect my keyboard and switch to device mode automatically Jan 23 03:39:18 It's probably reasonable in that case to do the following: Jan 23 03:39:37 5V present at USB port: Jan 23 03:40:06 Set port as device, attempt to get a host to configure us, and charge. Jan 23 03:40:37 If no response after 1s or so, set port to host, and attempt to configure a device Jan 23 03:40:53 If no response after 1s, it's a dumb charger. Charge at high rate Jan 23 03:41:01 thats not a bad idea Jan 23 03:42:40 If there is no 5V - then the best I think you can do is to simply flip between the two modes. I'm not really sure how much it will upset a host you plug it into in that state. Jan 23 03:43:35 does GTA02 add 5v to the USB, or is that undecided Jan 23 03:45:53 yes - at low power Jan 23 03:46:14 sweet Jan 23 03:46:16 1ooÍA Jan 23 03:46:19 100mA Jan 23 03:46:28 enought for thumb drives Jan 23 03:46:35 *enough Jan 23 04:39:40 does om-make just find where make install installs the files and packaes them accordingly? Jan 23 04:41:03 Oh, cool. Newegg.com has 32GB CF cards for $134. Jan 23 04:41:20 That's not _too_ horrible. Jan 23 04:41:30 32G microSD'd be lovely Jan 23 04:41:39 and how! Jan 23 05:39:00 anyone here used libportaudio with openmoko? Jan 23 05:39:37 SpeedEvil, Hi I update gsmd patches on to my device and host system and I wrote one application which tested AT Commands whill testing AT Commands application get hangs Jan 23 05:39:41 why ? Jan 23 05:40:41 No clue. Jan 23 06:06:04 DYNAMIC ENTRY Jan 23 06:15:12 ddd Jan 23 06:38:50 whats the hardware address of the alsa sound device on the moko Jan 23 06:38:50 ? Jan 23 06:38:52 hw:0? Jan 23 06:39:18 or is there a way to search? Jan 23 06:42:52 anyone? :[ Jan 23 06:43:09 have you tried "default" ? Jan 23 06:43:23 I will try that Jan 23 06:43:31 (trying to do this with jackd) Jan 23 06:44:47 ugh, I hate portaudio Jan 23 06:48:57 nope Jan 23 06:49:03 doesn't work? Jan 23 06:49:18 nope, trying to do this for a simple cli voip client Jan 23 06:49:32 I think its because I am trying to hook in from jackd.....ugh Jan 23 06:49:53 never tried that Jan 23 06:50:10 ya....I should just bind straight to alsa Jan 23 06:50:24 instead of this jackd->portaudio->alsa crap for cross-platforms Jan 23 06:51:11 but then you'd need to rewrite for other platforms Jan 23 06:51:26 correct....my current delima Jan 23 06:51:37 instead of a cross-platform gtk voip client (end goal...iax) Jan 23 06:51:42 at least openmoko and maemo Jan 23 06:57:08 oss is also on the moko right? Jan 23 06:57:35 afaik, yes Jan 23 06:57:39 k Jan 23 06:57:43 ty :] Jan 23 06:57:52 :) Jan 23 07:00:05 all well Jan 23 07:00:07 i hav eto give up for tonight Jan 23 07:00:23 thanks anyways, I will stab at it tomorrow. Getting this to work without portaudio would be just great :] Jan 23 07:00:47 and without jackd? Jan 23 07:01:01 are you going to try plain alsa? Jan 23 07:01:17 Alsa or OSS Jan 23 07:01:22 with portaudio I can just choose Jan 23 07:01:26 do I still need jackd? Jan 23 07:02:01 i'm not sure, i think not Jan 23 07:02:15 crap. Jan 23 07:02:26 ugh I will have to try to figure this mess out tomorrow, want to help? :] Jan 23 07:02:55 well, i think i'll still be here Jan 23 07:03:41 but i'm not really a sound programming expert Jan 23 07:42:00 has anyone tried `make flash-qemu-local' recently? (with MokoMakefile) Jan 23 07:43:36 i get a timeout error with the u-boot, although it used to work a month ago Jan 23 07:44:56 rwhitby, could this be a MokoMakefile problem? Jan 23 07:48:13 cosmin: more likely to be a u-boot vs flashing script problem Jan 23 07:49:47 could it be that the flashing script is too old? Jan 23 07:50:12 if i deleted it, would it get re-generated by make? Jan 23 07:50:16 no Jan 23 07:50:21 it comes from openmoko svn Jan 23 07:51:03 so i guess there isn't much i can do Jan 23 07:53:41 cosmin: you can report the problem on the development mailing list, framing it in terms of qemu flashing, u-boot and the script which is used, rather than mentioning MokoMakefile (which may cause some people to ignore your problem) Jan 23 07:55:12 ok, thank you :) Jan 23 08:07:42 good morning Jan 23 08:26:34 morning Jan 23 08:26:42 morning all Jan 23 08:40:00 * * OM Bug 1194 has been created by mickey(AT)vanille-media.de Jan 23 08:40:02 * * Touchscreen Jitter Jan 23 08:40:03 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1194 Jan 23 08:40:56 does anyone know why qemu-neo1973 ignores the virtual sd card? Jan 23 08:58:46 cosmin: i.e. the kernel doesn't detect it? did you build the mmc driver? Jan 23 09:00:00 balrog-kun: i passed the -sd flag to qemu, but there is no mmc* file in /dev Jan 23 09:00:28 it used to work a month ago, with some older images Jan 23 09:00:42 cosmin: is the driver in the kernel? Jan 23 09:01:06 i'm not sure, how can i find out? Jan 23 09:02:38 it should be visible through /sys somehow but i don't know exactly Jan 23 09:02:49 does the same kernel/rootfs detect the SD on a real Neo? Jan 23 09:03:15 i haven't tried Jan 23 09:04:14 well, i don't think it's qemu that's ignoring the SD card :p Jan 23 09:04:23 god damn, the neo needs to come out Jan 23 09:04:27 my phone is fallnig apart Jan 23 09:04:35 i don't want to buy a new one Jan 23 09:05:29 ColDfyre: gaffa tape Jan 23 09:07:10 GTA02a5 = freerunner? Jan 23 09:08:06 who knows Jan 23 09:09:24 GTA02 == freerunner Jan 23 09:12:09 Gaffer tape, sometimes shortened to gaff tape (especially by theater and photographic professionals), or made possessive, as "gaffer's tape", is a strong, pressure-sensitive, cotton cloth adhesive tape. It is an essential, all-purpose tool on theater, film and television productions as well as live performances and any other kind of stage work.[1] Jan 23 09:12:12 ? Jan 23 09:12:47 ColDfyre: its used to mend stuff that breaks Jan 23 09:13:09 also gaffa tape Jan 23 09:13:18 * XorA has even gaffa taped trousers in an emergencey Jan 23 09:13:53 werds Jan 23 09:13:55 oh Jan 23 09:13:58 won't help me Jan 23 09:14:01 let the thumbscroll madness begin Jan 23 09:14:19 my moto a780 is a hybrid of 2 phones now Jan 23 09:14:22 * XorA shoots raster Jan 23 09:14:25 it's amazing it works Jan 23 09:14:32 the two essential items in any stage monkey's toolkit are: gaffa tape (for when things move but shouldn't) and WD40 (for when things should move but don't) Jan 23 09:14:41 solder and wires inside where they should not be Jan 23 09:15:28 * raster dodges the bullet with his new greasy thumb manoeuvre Jan 23 09:15:32 cjb_ie: :-D Jan 23 09:26:24 * nox-Hand sighs Jan 23 09:53:12 hi, what's going on with openembedded.org? i get name resolution errors... Jan 23 09:55:36 * SpeedEvil declaims What's in a name? That that we call openembedded.org, by any other name would resolve to the same IPV4 address. Jan 23 09:56:36 (though it doesn't resolve for me either) Jan 23 09:56:45 so oe is dead? Jan 23 09:59:29 what a bunch o muppets Jan 23 10:01:02 mmm Jan 23 10:01:03 Domain ID:D94244924-LROR Jan 23 10:01:03 Domain Name:OPENEMBEDDED.ORG Jan 23 10:01:03 Created On:21-Jan-2003 23:58:22 UTC Jan 23 10:01:03 Last Updated On:23-Jan-2008 07:46:59 UTC Jan 23 10:01:03 Expiration Date:21-Jan-2009 23:58:22 UTC Jan 23 10:01:05 Sponsoring Registrar:Tucows Inc. (R11-LROR) Jan 23 10:01:55 does someone have the ip adress - i could fake it for me in /etc/hosts? Jan 23 10:02:29 what has been done at "Last Updated On:23-Jan-2008 07:46:59 UTC"? Jan 23 10:03:12 that'll be tucows pulling the registration after their grace period Jan 23 10:04:00 anyway, does someone know the ip? Jan 23 10:04:36 * SpeedEvil looks on scrolls Jan 23 10:06:10 192.58.209.90? Jan 23 10:06:23 I don't seem to have it Jan 23 10:06:40 nope not that one Jan 23 10:07:39 no :/ Jan 23 10:08:42 what signal is sent when you select an app and hit the trash can icon on the neo? Jan 23 10:09:14 SIGTRASH? Jan 23 10:09:45 SIGSELECTANAPPANDHITTHETRASHCANICONONTHENEO Jan 23 10:10:07 FuzzyCat: s/neo/om/ Jan 23 10:10:46 * FuzzyCat stabs SpeedEvil and Gottox Jan 23 10:11:20 emdete, I'm actually doing it on the neo... :) Jan 23 10:11:48 FuzzyCat: yes, may be, but om provides a trash, mine hasn't got one Jan 23 10:13:54 shut it biatch Jan 23 10:14:19 hey, i just don't like gtk ;) Jan 23 10:15:56 neither do i, but that's what the default is, and so that's what I'm deving for Jan 23 10:17:28 the neo is free and not bound to any default :D Jan 23 10:18:21 that's not true.. Jan 23 10:18:51 it may be free, but the default environment *is* gtk / om Jan 23 10:22:00 85.214.40.226 www.openembedded.org Jan 23 10:23:26 FuzzyCat: yes, for the default you are right, shure. but there are some interesting other projects on the way also Jan 23 10:27:48 is it no longer possible to use an emulated sd card with openmoko under qemu? Jan 23 10:39:04 cosmin: I "solved" the uboot flashing problem by simply using the "august snapshot" uboot instead of the bleeding-edge one OE builds Jan 23 10:42:55 cesarb, how did you changed to an older uboot? Jan 23 10:44:16 cosmin: flash-qemu-* is just a call to something like ( cd build/qemu && openmoko/flash.sh ../../images/official ). I just typed that by hand (including the parenthesis) but changed the directory to one where I placed only the uboot, kernel, and rootfs images I wanted to use Jan 23 10:45:15 cosmin: this way I used the up-to-date rootfs (as of some days ago), the "august snapshot" uboot I use on my real hardware (I had a copy of it somewhere else which I grabbed and used), and my hacked-up experimental cpufreq-using kernel Jan 23 10:46:27 cool, i need to try this Jan 23 10:47:42 but the sd card is no longer there, is it? Jan 23 10:48:18 openmoko: 03thomas * r3933 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (opkg_download.c pkg.c pkg.h): opkg: fix some compiler warnings Jan 23 10:49:36 cosmin: didn't check. mokomakefile should be generating the card, but I don't know if the current kernel will talk fine to the emulated SD. Jan 23 10:50:11 cosmin: when I first created the patch to add the virtual SD card to mokomakefile, the kernel back then could read but not write from the emulated SD (it failed the writes) Jan 23 10:52:10 cesarb: i used to have an emulated neo that could also write to SD images, but the latest one doesn't mount them Jan 23 10:52:36 and there's no output from dmesg | grep mmc :( Jan 23 10:54:28 cosmin: I think nobody uses qemu for testing anymore, now that everyone who wants to do development has a neo (and sometimes several) ;-) Jan 23 10:55:42 cesarb: on a slightly MMC related topic - any thoughts on why the neo on boot sets the SD clock to PCLK/4 - when it seems from the debug output - the normal one - that it wants 25Mhz - which 22Mhz - PCLK/3 is much closer to Jan 23 10:56:00 It gets 16Mhz Jan 23 10:56:31 cesarb: doesn't the real neo have the same problems with sd? i mean, with the latest images Jan 23 10:56:36 SpeedEvil: look at the datasheet, perhaps the value is someting like PCLK/(someregister*2) Jan 23 10:56:46 SpeedEvil: i.e. not all dividers are equally possible... Jan 23 10:56:50 perhaps Jan 23 10:57:24 I was just wondering if you happened to know. I'll look at it when I next have the datasheet open Jan 23 10:57:49 SpeedEvil: I didn't get to the sd driver yet ;-) Jan 23 10:57:57 k Jan 23 10:58:06 * cesarb is first testing what's already done... like, why does the serial fail at 12000? Jan 23 10:58:30 what output baud are you trying for? Jan 23 10:58:46 SpeedEvil: whatever gsmd sets Jan 23 10:58:57 and PCLK is set to 1:1:! - so that it's 12Mhz PCLK? Jan 23 10:59:03 SpeedEvil: yeah Jan 23 10:59:07 SpeedEvil: at least should be Jan 23 10:59:20 SpeedEvil: unless my divider setting code is bogus Jan 23 11:00:07 SpeedEvil: that's the only case so far which uses 1:1:1... Jan 23 11:00:32 115200 Jan 23 11:00:59 I wouldn't have expected that not to work Jan 23 11:02:02 SpeedEvil: it's never exact, so it's possible that with that frequency in particular the deviation from the expected value gets too much Jan 23 11:02:16 SpeedEvil: I will add a printk to the serial driver to check when I get back from work Jan 23 11:02:27 * cesarb has to go now Jan 23 11:02:34 There is probably a prescaler Jan 23 11:02:38 maybe not set Jan 23 11:02:38 wave Jan 23 11:20:50 is it possible to input data in the current openmoko browser? Jan 23 11:48:00 freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r55 10/trunk/software/py-proto/pygsmd.py: bugfix: ring() had wrong parameter description for dbus Jan 23 11:56:08 torpor: ping Jan 23 12:16:59 openmoko: 03thomas * r3934 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/opkg_cmd.c: opkg: don't print "Successfully terminated." message Jan 23 12:33:37 openmoko: 03thomas * r3935 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/pkg_parse.c: Jan 23 12:33:37 openmoko: opkg: apply "1-pkg-parse--Optimize-inefficient-parsing.patch" from OpenEmbedded Jan 23 12:33:37 openmoko: pkg_parse: Optimize inefficient parsing. Instead of expensively probing all Jan 23 12:33:37 openmoko: fields in row, dispatch based on the first letter of the field. Tests show ~12 Jan 23 12:33:37 openmoko: times reduction in number of calls to low-level parsing functions. Jan 23 12:40:10 hmm... openembedded went from bugs.oe.org not responding to *.oe.org no longer resolving... quite hard to submit patches that way... Jan 23 12:42:48 openmoko: 03thomas * r3936 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/pkg_vec.c: (log message trimmed) Jan 23 12:42:48 openmoko: opkg: apply "2-pkg-vec--Optimize-gross-inefficiency.patch" from OpenEmbedded Jan 23 12:42:48 openmoko: pkg_vec: Optimize gross inefficiency. Jan 23 12:42:48 openmoko: This module tries to implement *unique* vector (without duplicating objects), Jan 23 12:42:48 openmoko: and does this by iterating thru all already existing elements. Thus, Jan 23 12:42:51 openmoko: complexity of adding N elements was O(N^2). However, there're no grave reasons Jan 23 12:42:52 openmoko: to do uniqueness at all: Jan 23 13:27:19 ghjkl Jan 23 13:29:51 indeed Jan 23 13:54:45 * FuzzyCat dances Jan 23 14:07:33 lol Jan 23 14:12:31 I wonder what would the reaction be if I suggest having SELinux on openmoko ? =] Jan 23 14:32:39 can anybody tell me, where the contacts from standard-contact-manager in OM are stored? Jan 23 14:32:48 file? Jan 23 14:32:55 voi1: evolution data server Jan 23 14:33:13 does anyone here use OpenMoko under QEMU? Jan 23 14:33:16 hm. XorA: how can i access it? Jan 23 14:33:43 voi1: you need to use the eds api's Jan 23 14:33:54 XorA: want to backup my contacts / not get in all contacts by gui. Jan 23 14:34:20 XorA: k, thx for help. Jan 23 14:34:32 voi1: you could issue a Request For Enhancement on contacts and see what happens Jan 23 14:34:42 i need some help regarding the latest QEMU build Jan 23 14:35:03 i can't find the SD card anywhere Jan 23 14:35:16 does anyone know where it is located? Jan 23 14:42:56 did anyone here use gdbserver to debug applications for OpenMoko? Jan 23 14:58:02 worldwarZ: just gdb arm until now Jan 23 14:58:54 worldwarZ: most of the times traces (ok, printf) Jan 23 14:59:39 zilux: you mean you installed your application on the device, and executed on the device Jan 23 14:59:43 zilux: ? Jan 23 14:59:53 worldwarZ: yes Jan 23 15:00:13 worldwarZ: if possible, faster to debug on your PC Jan 23 15:00:40 zilux: well i tried to use gdbserver, and cross-gdb-arm, and it works only Jan 23 15:00:53 zilux: for simple apps, like hello world Jan 23 15:01:35 zilux: it i start including libraries(gtk, cairo), there are library incompatibilities Jan 23 15:02:01 zilux: between the libraries on the device and the ones from the toolchain on my pc Jan 23 15:02:08 zilux: so it won't work Jan 23 15:02:35 zilux: the app is BIG so printf is not so great Jan 23 15:06:42 worldwarZ: did you set gdb variables such as solib-absolute-prefix,... Jan 23 15:07:04 yes Jan 23 15:11:47 I just (before I had dinner) set bug 1165 to depend on bug 1177, but I just saw that the .desktop-stuff is mentioned in 1177 too, so they are sort of identical. Should one of them be marked as a duplicate of the other or are they different enough to be two bugs? Jan 23 15:12:04 Could maybe someone with better bug management experience take care of it? Jan 23 15:42:58 <`pwgen`> hi Jan 23 15:45:16 Can anybody tell me exactly a version number - boot from SD-card is working? I have some problems with several u-boot - versions. Jan 23 15:45:26 <`pwgen`> does anyone know how the gsmd send signals to the dialer app ? Jan 23 15:46:48 <`pwgen`> mompl i had to reboot my moko to check u-boot-version Jan 23 15:48:01 <`pwgen`> u-boot 1.2.0-moko9_r13_0_2632_0 Aug 12 2007 works fine for me Jan 23 15:50:56 `pwgen`: did you use qemu, or the real device? i also tried qemu with this version and it does not work.. Jan 23 15:51:15 <`pwgen`> real device Jan 23 15:51:50 `pwgen`: ok ty - I'll try this on my device. maybe this is a problem of qemu .. Jan 23 15:52:32 <`pwgen`> kernel is in /boot/uImage with zImage symlink to uImage Jan 23 15:53:17 kk thank you. Jan 23 16:24:01 Field: for a u-boot that can boot from SD, look up the "New U-Boot Snapshot" thread on the device-owners mailing list archive (Jan 13) and use that version. Jan 23 16:26:13 mmontour: ty Jan 23 16:34:58 freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r56 10/trunk/software/py-proto/ (12 files): switched logging to syslog Jan 23 17:14:59 ScaredyCat: ding ding Jan 23 17:27:07 <_D-a-m-i-e-n_> Hi there... Can someone tell me how the memory of the Neo1973 (GTA01bv4) smartphone is organized? Why do you always use some specific addresses (e.g. 0x30800000, 0x32000000)? Jan 23 17:54:58 _D-a-m-i-e-n_, the adresses are used as a kind of partition scheme on the flash memory. first area is for bootloader, next for splash, and so on. Jan 23 18:01:34 <_D-a-m-i-e-n_> thomasg, no that's not what I meant.. I meant RAM addresses.. e.g. 'nand read.e 0x32000000 kernel' reads the kernel partition into RAM.. but I wonder why there are always some specific addresses i.e. 0x30800000, 0x32000000 and 0x33000000 Jan 23 18:02:09 well, how else would you know where in the flash you can find what you're looking for? Jan 23 18:02:29 the adress tells you where the "partition" starts Jan 23 18:04:15 <_D-a-m-i-e-n_> I'm trying to load a ~30MB kernel into RAM and start it using bootelf Jan 23 18:04:32 <_D-a-m-i-e-n_> nand read.e 0x32000000 kernel --> bootelf 0x32000000 Jan 23 18:05:19 <_D-a-m-i-e-n_> but it always terminates with 'qemu: fatal: Trying to execute code outside RAM or ROM at 0xe595c000' Jan 23 18:05:30 <_D-a-m-i-e-n_> btw. I'm using qemu Jan 23 18:06:05 <_D-a-m-i-e-n_> so my question is what is the memory layout of the Neo1973 device Jan 23 18:06:18 <_D-a-m-i-e-n_> does it start at 0x30000000 Jan 23 18:06:20 <_D-a-m-i-e-n_> ? Jan 23 18:09:47 <_D-a-m-i-e-n_> ... and the same happens when using the --kernel parameter of Qemu Jan 23 18:10:17 <_D-a-m-i-e-n_> when using a smaller kernel (~24MB) it works Jan 23 18:19:27 openmoko: 03werner * r3937 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta02-acc.patch: (log message trimmed) Jan 23 18:19:27 openmoko: Applied funbar-2.6.24-platform-spi-gpio-acc-repair.patch to gta02-acc.patch: Jan 23 18:19:27 openmoko: This doesn't actually do anything about the INT problem yet. Jan 23 18:19:27 openmoko: The 2.6.24 gpio spi and platform situation was completely Jan 23 18:19:27 openmoko: messed up and was a long way from even being able to talk Jan 23 18:19:31 openmoko: to the motion sensors. Jan 23 18:19:33 openmoko: This patch gets the gpio SPI actually working and both Jan 23 18:38:34 hi Jan 23 19:47:26 hmm... if I try to buld task-openmoko-feed it fails because it can't find swt3.4-gtk, but just building swt3.4-gtk works just fine... Jan 23 20:00:58 I've been scping all of the directories in a qtopia-image to my desktop PC and re-copying them as I bounce between OpenMoko nightly images and the "stable" qtopia image. Anyway, each time i re-flash I need to enter my contacts and such again. Can anyone point me to the location of the "user" files in a qtopia image OR explain why a restoration of my filesystem doesn't register these? Jan 23 20:03:54 kdean06: Asked in #qtopia about it too? Jan 23 20:04:27 I just try to keep things on the sd card that I want to keep between reflashes Jan 23 20:04:49 I must be out of it today... I forgot #qtopia existed. Jan 23 20:05:26 :) Jan 23 20:06:11 Re using flash, I would too, if I knew where to find it. I've got links using my OM images and that works fantastically. Jan 23 20:21:02 <`pwgen`> Hi Jan 23 20:24:58 All: Has anyone messed with binding to alsa on the moko? (for a voip app, stereo app, anything) ? compiling against alsalib Jan 23 20:41:33 bkruse: it works Jan 23 20:41:46 XorA|gone: how so? Jan 23 20:42:02 I tried using and compiling against asound from the toolkit, I guess it is NOT the right version Jan 23 20:45:44 bkruse: well alsa-utils from compiles fine in OE Jan 23 20:47:15 XorA|gone: hmm Jan 23 20:55:15 <`pwgen`> i was able to build linphonec but didn't testetd it for now Jan 23 21:06:02 hmmm Jan 23 21:06:15 `pwgen`: with the toolkit or in Open embedded? Jan 23 21:12:25 <`pwgen`> 1 i build with mokomake ... after that i build openembedded with linphone .. Jan 23 22:01:38 any pre-ordering going to happen? Jan 23 22:25:22 heh, it seems there is more hardware discussion in openmoko-kernel than neo1973-hardware Jan 23 22:35:36 there's plenty in here too - but not every day ;) Jan 23 22:48:11 hi Jan 23 22:48:25 my neo does a lightning effect when i plug it into usb Jan 23 22:48:27 yo Jan 23 22:48:35 wow that's cool Jan 23 22:48:38 and refuses to do anything when i push and hold the power button Jan 23 22:52:38 If my Neo could shoot lightning, it would have been totally worth the $300 :D Jan 23 22:59:00 idioterna: that doesn't sound healthy Jan 23 22:59:16 idioterna: does it do that with every usb port, or just some? Jan 23 23:03:00 i dunno, i've just tried with one Jan 23 23:03:26 it flashed the backlight irregularly Jan 23 23:03:48 * Stephmw wonders if that burning smell is idioterna Jan 23 23:04:07 idioterna: I'd desist until someone more knowledgeable can diagnose the issue Jan 23 23:04:10 how do i know the battery is charging? Jan 23 23:11:29 * Mononoke realises that his hair is on fire /o\ Jan 23 23:28:28 apparently i did just drain the battery completely Jan 23 23:29:05 Hi all, after booting from SD, anyone know how to mount the normal root? Jan 23 23:33:11 battery... that puts me back to my paranoid conspiracy theories Jan 23 23:33:36 erko: mount /dev/mtdblock5 /somewhere perhaps Jan 23 23:34:16 what would happend if you have battery, lets say Lipo, and you expose it to 'emp' ? Jan 23 23:39:14 balrog-kun: thanks for the pointer -- this ended up working: mount -t jffs2 /dev/mtdblock4 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 24 01:05:20 2008 Jan 24 01:21:02 are there python projects in openmoko ? Jan 24 01:29:52 yep Jan 24 01:31:49 balrog-kun, like ? Jan 24 01:32:24 shriphani: i think there's a dialer and a messaging program in python Jan 24 01:32:35 see project.openmoko.org Jan 24 01:32:45 oops, rather projects.openmoko.org Jan 24 01:32:58 ok Jan 24 01:53:20 <`pwgen`> http://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=python-openmoko Jan 24 02:57:12 Damn. I found exactly the adapter board I need, but I can't find a US vendor. Jan 24 02:57:38 Anyone planning on traveling from Taiwan to the US anytime soon? ;_; **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 24 02:59:57 2008