**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 26 02:59:57 2008 Jan 26 03:18:45 having problem with alsa, modules seems to be loaded but i have no alsa related /dev/s and alsactl is giving me "no soundcards", any hints? Jan 26 03:19:42 rmmod/modprobe snd_soc_s3c24xx_i2s does not give any usefull dmesg to work with (no errors can be seen) Jan 26 03:22:25 blckdove: what do you mean by alsa related /devs? Jan 26 03:24:21 like /dev/sound/* Jan 26 03:24:44 snd you mean? Jan 26 03:24:54 yeah Jan 26 03:25:58 im not very femiliar with the way alsa works, i am just asuming I should have some dev for that when module is loaded and device is working Jan 26 03:26:28 in my gentoo i have /dev/sound/* Jan 26 03:26:51 I've always had /dev/snd in debian Jan 26 03:27:27 anyway i dont have any sound related devices in /dev/ in neo Jan 26 03:27:38 and having problem like this: Jan 26 03:27:47 root@fic-gta01:~$ alsactl -f /etc/stereoout.state restore Jan 26 03:27:47 alsactl: load_state:1327: No soundcards found... Jan 26 03:28:08 snd_soc_s3c24xx_i2s module is loaded Jan 26 03:28:18 no usefull dmesg Jan 26 03:31:40 http://pastebin.ca/872942 <-- some output from a Neo with working sound, using my own build of the 2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr3874-r13 kernel Jan 26 03:32:40 i seem to be missing buch of snd_soc related modules Jan 26 03:32:53 i have only snd_soc_s3c24xx_i2s Jan 26 03:33:45 snd_soc_core module not found Jan 26 03:35:01 modprobe snd-soc-neo1973-wm8753 is giving unknown symbols.. so i have missmatch of modules i asume.. Jan 26 03:36:04 ok.. gonna build my own kernel tomorrow.. =D Jan 26 03:36:08 You could do an "ipkg list_installed | grep module-snd" to see if you have any mismatched package versions Jan 26 03:36:39 yeah Jan 26 03:36:47 ipkg Jan 26 03:36:50 oops Jan 26 03:37:02 I never experienced this sound problem with my bleeding-edge MokoMakefile builds, but then again I haven't done a clean build or install for a long time Jan 26 03:37:42 I builded up mine few hours ago... wasnt quite sure did my kernel match with the rootfs i installed Jan 26 03:37:49 this might be something to do with that Jan 26 03:38:44 I need to take a look of the pkg management thing Jan 26 03:39:00 thx for the info anyway.. was a great help Jan 26 03:39:42 np, and good luck. Jan 26 03:44:16 anyone know how i admin myself in my own project in GForge? Jan 26 04:46:15 Does anyone know kdean06's email address? Jan 26 04:46:48 I told him I would email him a python gtk example script, then realized that I don't remember if I even ever had his address :-( Jan 26 04:50:42 good morning Jan 26 04:52:09 good evening :-) Jan 26 04:56:37 its about midnight here lol Jan 26 04:57:20 11pm here Jan 26 04:57:36 KrisAbsinthe: I had assumed you were in western asia Jan 26 04:58:10 kdean06: In case you look here, I put your python gtk test script on the bottom of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Python Jan 26 04:58:22 Nope in Ohio lol Jan 26 04:58:28 gotta go, g'night (or g'day as the case may be) Jan 26 04:58:32 cool :-) Jan 26 04:58:50 me too, source code kept me up long enough Jan 26 08:04:09 * Linux_Galore waves Jan 26 09:58:47 * bkruse_home is about to make an ipkg release (with ported libraries) of asterisk Jan 26 09:59:13 thats cool Jan 26 09:59:26 ya...just needed to get that done before working on the gtk+ iax client Jan 26 09:59:31 bkruse_home: please tell when it's ready to test Jan 26 09:59:42 kinneh: you can be my first beta tester :D Jan 26 09:59:53 what could you do with it then ? Jan 26 10:00:07 make sip-calls ? Jan 26 10:00:08 kinneh: the real reason I did it was for some alsa trouble (asterisk has chan_alsa) Jan 26 10:00:22 kinneh: yes, sip, iax2, h323, um, theres TONS of things after this first step Jan 26 10:00:27 its a whole pbx on your phone Jan 26 10:00:37 cool Jan 26 10:00:42 * kinneh smiles Jan 26 10:00:56 :] it is pretty cool, I am sure someone will do something pretty crazy with it Jan 26 10:01:02 bkruse_home: does it have a nice graphical display with a pretty operator and a plugboard? Jan 26 10:01:07 just what asterisk can do on a normal box is pretty cool Jan 26 10:01:21 SpeedEvil: actually, the http server IS working, and I got the gui loaded on the openmoko browser...lol Jan 26 10:01:40 :) Jan 26 10:01:42 I had to get that working since thats what I work on day in and out anyways Jan 26 10:03:05 as of now, the ipkg depends on termcap, libgsm, etc Jan 26 10:03:11 so I have to ipkg-ify those Jan 26 10:03:14 :[ Jan 26 10:09:24 bkruse_home: Cool work :) Jan 26 10:12:34 freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r60 10/trunk/software/py-proto/pygsmd.py: added phone number to info for incomming calls Jan 26 10:12:39 the iaxclient will be the better use of the phone, but having a full featured pbx and gui interface on your phone? just plain awesome. Jan 26 10:13:12 Not quite as awesome as if you could put it on the network side. Jan 26 10:13:16 But still awesome. Jan 26 11:05:38 hello friends Jan 26 11:26:14 anyone know when the next community update will be posted? Jan 26 11:26:25 it has been over 2 weeks now Jan 26 11:26:41 that's what i was wondering... Jan 26 11:27:23 there was a little update on the 24th Jan 26 11:27:47 basically, they're working with a5, and the hardware seems good so far Jan 26 11:27:56 nice! Jan 26 11:28:11 and all the CAD files are available in a bunch of formats Jan 26 11:28:22 all? Jan 26 11:28:25 Oh - case Jan 26 11:28:47 "Evaluation of the GTA02A5 is taking place. There is some excellent discussion on the kernel list" Jan 26 11:29:07 funky Jan 26 11:29:18 what happens to the ppl that buy the gta02 if they discover a hardware flaw a couple of months later or so? Jan 26 11:29:26 Practically. Jan 26 11:29:51 It seems unlikely they'll sell them before having a batch of them externally evaluated for a while Jan 26 11:29:59 Unless they are stupidly brave. Jan 26 11:30:25 I would almost take the risk of a harware flaw just to get it a bit earlier :P Jan 26 11:30:45 i'm sure you're not the only one Jan 26 11:31:54 I'd be _very_ wary about relying on anything that I haven't seen working. Jan 26 11:31:54 do you guys think OpenMoko will be affected by this? http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/01/25/2031214.shtml Jan 26 11:32:09 See the 'oops, no 4th band' issue Jan 26 11:32:11 a lawsuit would be terrible for a company like OpenMoko i guess Jan 26 11:32:32 the Freerunner definately falls under that patent Jan 26 11:32:38 no camera though :) Jan 26 11:33:56 there's a big discussion about it on the mailing list Jan 26 11:34:06 doesn't seem to intersting tho Jan 26 11:34:10 not until they win a case Jan 26 11:34:17 anyone know anything about CMS's? (totally unrelated i know) Jan 26 11:34:33 are there any free CMS systems that could be used for a business? Jan 26 11:34:39 CMS? Jan 26 11:34:50 websites - custom management systems Jan 26 11:35:04 * bkruse_home dances Jan 26 11:35:07 ah, no then :) Jan 26 11:35:16 :p Jan 26 11:35:18 smlsfb: you're missing the point Jan 26 11:35:18 bkruse_home, something good? :) Jan 26 11:35:36 smlsfb: asterisk on the moko! Jan 26 11:35:43 SpeedEvil, liabilty? Jan 26 11:35:44 smlsfb: It can take millions or tens of millions to defend a lawsuit against a rich opponent. Jan 26 11:35:54 bkruse_home, awesome! Jan 26 11:35:58 smlsfb: it can be cheaper just to pay them. Jan 26 11:36:19 smlsfb: which is one major reason why the patent system is broken. Jan 26 11:36:40 true. but the freerunner isn't selling right now, so there is time to see how other companies handle it Jan 26 11:42:56 bye friends Jan 26 11:53:24 projects.openmoko.org only allow 2MB upload for project releases? lol crap Jan 26 11:56:16 bkruse, that sucks :P Jan 26 11:56:58 spydon: totally....I am going to have to host it elsewhere...ugh Jan 26 11:57:04 I can do that though, no big deal Jan 26 12:06:50 Odd. Searching slashdot. Jan 26 12:06:53 'Neo1973 Jan 26 12:06:55 Great deals on steam engine toys Feed your passion on eBay.co.uk!' Jan 26 12:07:07 on an ad. Jan 26 12:08:23 Oh - and is it freerunner, Freerunner,FreeRunner? Jan 26 12:09:51 the asterisk.ipk ended up being 20 M :x Jan 26 12:10:28 stupid wav files is probably what it is Jan 26 12:10:33 might have to make an asterisk-sounds also Jan 26 12:12:11 you guys know of any freerunner reviews that came out during CES 2008? i believe it was shown to a select few people there? Jan 26 12:12:18 like, an independent review Jan 26 12:12:42 where is your flash mounted on the neo? Jan 26 12:13:02 20M will fit in GTA02 Jan 26 12:14:41 XorA|gone: oh ya? Jan 26 12:14:51 20M certainly should not fit in the default build IMO Jan 26 12:15:21 SpeedEvil: I doubt a full VOIP exchange is going to be in the default build :-) Jan 26 12:15:26 SpeedEvil: nono, thats the sound files bloating it Jan 26 12:15:44 ah Jan 26 12:15:47 XorA|gone: I can get it under 5 megs, I do not think that would be much to put in the repository Jan 26 12:16:31 bkruse_home: are you working with the asterisk .bb files already in OE? Jan 26 12:17:13 XorA|gone: right now just toolkit and ipkg tools Jan 26 12:18:00 bkruse: ah ok, I was going to say if you made improvements to modularity and packaging then feel free to post them on OE bugtracker Jan 26 12:18:33 improvements how so? I could :] Jan 26 12:19:47 bkruse_home: I havent looked at the recipes, but to get in the feeds its a lot easier if the packages come from OE Jan 26 12:20:34 gotcha Jan 26 12:34:00 hi Jan 26 12:34:49 is openmoko going to be on the embedded world in nürnberg? Jan 26 12:36:18 bipak_: these are the ones I know someone will be at in near future http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/01/22/conferences-ahead-3/ Jan 26 12:37:03 oh ok, so the answer seems to be: "no" :( Jan 26 12:37:20 bipak_: thats only one guys Jan 26 12:37:30 ah Jan 26 12:37:33 bipak_: I dont know where the others .de members are planning to be Jan 26 12:38:04 bipak_: ask on the community list probably best plan Jan 26 12:38:22 ok thank you Jan 26 13:02:17 12http://bitxarraco.myminicity.es/ind Jan 26 13:02:19 12http://bitxarraco.myminicity.es/ind Jan 26 13:02:20 12http://bitxarraco.myminicity.es/ind Jan 26 13:02:20 12http://bitxarraco.myminicity.es/ind Jan 26 13:02:21 12http://bitxarraco.myminicity.es/ind Jan 26 13:02:21 12http://bitxarraco.myminicity.es/ind Jan 26 13:02:21 12http://bitxarraco.myminicity.es/ind Jan 26 13:02:23 12http://bitxarraco.myminicity.es/ind Jan 26 13:02:25 12http://bitxarraco.myminicity.es/ind Jan 26 13:02:27 12http://bitxarraco.myminicity.es/ind Jan 26 13:02:29 12http://bitxarraco.myminicity.es/ind Jan 26 13:02:31 12http://bitxarraco.myminicity.es/ind Jan 26 13:02:33 12http://bitxarraco.myminicity.es/ind Jan 26 13:02:35 12http://bitxarraco.myminicity.es/ind Jan 26 13:02:37 12http://bitxarraco.myminicity.es/ind Jan 26 13:02:39 12http://bitxarraco.myminicity.es/ind Jan 26 14:29:13 hi, is the audio subsystem going to change in freerunner? there is an AC97 included in FreeRunner's SoC... Jan 26 14:29:34 and i'm wondering if this will change anything ;-) Jan 26 14:29:37 not really Jan 26 14:30:01 The wm* chip basically does enough. Jan 26 14:30:29 And I think that the codec is not actually included, only the I2S interface - which the current one does too. Jan 26 14:30:35 As I understand it anyway Jan 26 14:31:11 so, the AC97 I/F on the SoC is not used? Jan 26 14:31:24 As I understand it, it's no different from the current chip Jan 26 14:31:28 And it is used Jan 26 14:31:56 the WM* chip is a digital/analog mixer that goes on the end of it Jan 26 14:32:54 ah okay, the wiki says that the wm* is connected via IIS and I2C, nothing about the AC97 Jan 26 14:35:48 thx :) Jan 26 14:36:07 AC97 is the same interface as I2S on the s3c24xx chips Jan 26 14:37:19 FreeRunnder driver is already in SVN as I wrote is months ago Jan 26 16:04:13 <_Krieger_> i have now another stop on making qemu. Please, look http://www.pastebin.ca/873480 - maybe you can help me Jan 26 16:08:52 hola Jan 26 16:11:52 ha! ... got my sound working Jan 26 16:12:15 <_Krieger_> i have now another stop on making qemu. Please, look http://www.pastebin.ca/873480 - maybe you can help me Jan 26 16:14:47 i am way too niewbie to help =D Jan 26 16:15:26 newbie even Jan 26 16:15:35 or what ever Jan 26 16:17:50 _Krieger_: weird.. do you happen to know if it worked with older kernel/rootfs? Jan 26 16:18:04 and the same version of qemu Jan 26 16:18:33 <_Krieger_> balrog-kun, openmoko qemu never worked at me Jan 26 16:23:19 blckdove: What fixed the sound problem? Jan 26 16:27:17 sigh.. apparently the buildhost paths changed Jan 26 16:32:07 _Krieger_: oh, that explains it Jan 26 16:32:44 the download script failed to find the images on the openmoko.org buildhost and downloaded from ScaredyCat's buildhost Jan 26 16:33:04 ScaredyCat'a latest image apparently is 63 MB which is more than u-boot can handle Jan 26 16:33:24 i doubt it would work on a real Neo Jan 26 16:36:35 Weird Jan 26 16:36:35 openmoko: 03andrew * r3959 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/env: Update buildhost image download path... again. Jan 26 16:37:31 or more correctly, not u-boot but our current NAND partition layout Jan 26 16:37:38 as well as RAM layout during flashing Jan 26 16:37:44 Ah, ok Jan 26 16:38:45 qemu should handle at least up to 56 MB with the current layout, the real neo also around this size Jan 26 16:41:12 <_Krieger_> barlog-kun, so what i must alter in Makefile to make it work for me? Jan 26 16:41:37 _Krieger_: try updating and it should work with the above svn change Jan 26 16:42:27 <_Krieger_> make update in a root dir? Jan 26 16:43:15 sounds right, but i don't know about the mokomakefile targets Jan 26 16:43:56 I am able to make phonecalls. Problem with that seems to be that other end is having his voice echoed back, quick testing with alsamixer did not solve the problem... I am expecting that capture and output is configured somehow wrong and these are interconnected in the soundcard... any ideas? Jan 26 16:44:42 <_Krieger_> it started to download http://downloads.openmoko.org/OE/snapshots/OE-this-is-for-mtn-0.35.mtn.bz2. thanks for response anywey. Jan 26 16:45:09 ouch Jan 26 16:54:43 its the alsamixer settings Jan 26 16:55:31 Thats what I am expecting ... anyone who do not have this problem could paste amixer output? Jan 26 16:58:59 ill edit mine real quick and tell you the values Jan 26 17:00:14 thx Jan 26 17:07:39 headphone: 76 PCM:80 SideTone:71 Mono:86 MonoBypass:86 MonoSidetone:71 MonoVoice:71 3D:67 AlsaCapture: 73 73 67 71 0 71 Ampleft:61 AmpMono:55 AmpRight:61 Bypass:71 Speaker:81 Voice:71 Jan 26 17:07:47 i think thats right Jan 26 17:08:49 ok.. just to make sure, can you paste result of amixer, thatway i can have all of them? Jan 26 17:09:09 yeah just a sec Jan 26 17:09:32 its a long list so > asound.txt could be more suitable Jan 26 17:09:46 or similar =D Jan 26 17:14:27 ok, so im retarted today, how do i get that to output to a file Jan 26 17:14:52 "amixer > file.txt" Jan 26 17:15:06 remove quites Jan 26 17:15:28 i tried with alsamixer > file.txt lol Jan 26 17:15:48 amixer is different tool =D Jan 26 17:15:55 pure cmdline Jan 26 17:17:33 stupid thing with that is that you cannot output directly to format that you could input with --stdin Jan 26 17:20:25 while you at it, can you do "amixer contents > amixer_contents.txt" aswell Jan 26 17:20:34 should I paste this here or add a wiki? Jan 26 17:20:44 that might be output that could be used to input directly Jan 26 17:21:10 if you can paste it somewhere else first, i can do complete wiki for inputing correct values easily? Jan 26 17:21:20 after I have tested that it works Jan 26 17:22:01 you can do it to wiki your self ofcourse if you whant =D Jan 26 17:24:51 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:KrisAbsinthe here its on my User page Jan 26 17:25:38 Anyone know what the release cycle will be like for future phones (after the FreeRunner)? Jan 26 17:26:08 no idea Jan 26 17:27:21 Cell phone contracts kinda limit people's options. I need a FreeRunner, but if they are being released every six months it would be nice to know so I don't sit on the phone for ever. Jan 26 17:28:41 If the GTA02v5 PCB is out and in preliminary testing, and works out, the end of march is about the earli9est it might work out. Jan 26 17:29:02 KrisAbsinthe: thx for the alsa info Jan 26 17:29:22 That's not the FreeRunner, SpeedEvil? Jan 26 17:29:24 s/PCB/version/ Jan 26 17:29:25 SpeedEvil meant: If the GTA02v5 version is out and in preliminary testing, and works out, the end of march is about the earli9est it might work out. Jan 26 17:29:26 blkdove: np Jan 26 17:29:40 mblo: it is the version that may end up getting released as the freerunne Jan 26 17:29:49 If things go wrong, v6 may be needed. Jan 26 17:30:13 I understand. I'm curious about future versions beyond FreeRunner. Jan 26 17:30:34 Basically 'wouldn't it be nice' internal discussions as I understand it. Jan 26 17:30:37 Im not sure FIC even knows about that Jan 26 17:30:47 ahhh Jan 26 17:30:49 we should do a sweepstake on the release date Jan 26 17:31:05 Sweet betting pool Jan 26 17:31:17 Febuary 29th Jan 26 17:31:20 I bet the FreeRunner will sell fast. Jan 26 17:31:37 I know i am getting one, need it to finish my app Jan 26 17:31:42 Practically speaking. Jan 26 17:31:44 april 1st Jan 26 17:31:57 ok someone create the wiki and we add dates :) Jan 26 17:32:01 It's not going to be suitable for consumers for at best another 6 months Jan 26 17:32:22 consumer ready date sweepstake Jan 26 17:32:29 The software isn't quite ready? Jan 26 17:32:41 But, the phone part works, correct? Jan 26 17:32:49 mboldisc: calls and SMS start and stop working on a moderately regular basis with new builds Jan 26 17:32:54 openmoko can donate a freerunner as the prize Jan 26 17:33:07 Okay. Jan 26 17:34:12 Hopefully, there won't be any hardware problems with the FreeRunner. Jan 26 17:34:17 incidentally, any moderately new (scaredycat?) build where they mostly work? Jan 26 17:34:29 I can handle software upgrades. Jan 26 17:35:53 Im building a desktop app to "sync" OM based devices. Any ideas on features, so Far I have PIM data managment, Podcast managment , Ipkg manager, Backup and restore kernel root and uboot,network control Jan 26 17:36:28 sounds great Kris Jan 26 17:36:41 KrisAbsinthe: I could comment on stuff that'd need lots of dev, but that'd probably not help. Jan 26 17:37:05 the webcache and mokopedia ideas Jan 26 17:37:05 Coded a few hours got the backup and restore working for now Jan 26 17:38:03 What's the language most Openmoko dev's are using? Python? Jan 26 17:39:05 depends on level mboldisc Jan 26 17:39:13 Application level. Jan 26 17:39:39 python seems to be popular but still quite a few using C Jan 26 17:40:05 ahh okay Jan 26 17:40:09 hell, im using Gambas2, lol, makes me feel like im 14 again messing with VB Jan 26 17:40:48 :) Jan 26 17:41:10 but eh we got some many choices of languages already u can use Jan 26 17:41:12 KrisAbsinthe: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Server:WebProxy and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokopedia Jan 26 17:42:39 Those are really good ideas Jan 26 17:45:59 The wikipedia one at one point had also 'current events' pack Jan 26 17:46:10 Which was more what I meant as it was relevant to your idea. Jan 26 17:46:47 In that as you get up in the morning, or take your device with you, you have all the articles relating to stories that broke last night, for example. Jan 26 17:47:09 KrisAbsinthe: mokopedia is not a idea, its running on the neo :) Jan 26 17:48:24 ..and runs well Jan 26 17:48:59 Also - picking popular items lets you add some pictures Jan 26 17:49:13 I see that, only concern is the size of the english version Jan 26 17:49:28 Yeah. Jan 26 17:49:51 but the information, there is a lot there Jan 26 17:50:13 I couldn't find a source for good stats on popularity. Jan 26 17:50:20 I don't think they are kept at the moment. Jan 26 17:50:58 dunno if carrying wiki is best solution, best would be having good connection to net =] Jan 26 17:50:59 SpeedEvil: i screwed up when i made my Gforge page, how can I admin myself? Jan 26 17:51:15 Mononoke: Sure. Not possible all places though. Jan 26 17:51:22 KrisAbsinthe: no idea, sorry Jan 26 17:51:52 btw it'll be probably dvd size: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:DVD Jan 26 17:51:57 I will enjoy having Wikipedia everywhere, i like proving people wrong lol If im wrong , good cause then i learned something Jan 26 17:53:06 Wikipedia is greaty for proving people wrong. Jan 26 17:53:12 Editing is just so easy! Jan 26 17:53:41 looking on history is easy as well.. Jan 26 17:55:11 openmoko: 03werner * r3960 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta02-acc.patch: Jan 26 17:55:11 openmoko: Yet another "quilt fold" miss :-( Jan 26 17:55:11 openmoko: gta02-acc.patch: Jan 26 17:55:11 openmoko: - arch/arm/mach-s3c2440/mach-gta02.c (spi_acc_cs): one hunk from Jan 26 17:55:11 openmoko: s3c-gpio-spi-allow-multi-cs.patch wasn't applied yet. Fixed. Jan 26 17:55:12 * ScaredyCat slaps self a number of times Jan 26 17:55:26 lemme help Jan 26 17:55:32 ~trout ScaredyCat Jan 26 17:55:33 * apt slaps ScaredyCat around a bit with a large trout! Jan 26 17:55:34 meg Jan 26 17:55:42 meh even Jan 26 18:09:53 hejo Jan 26 18:16:09 openmoko: 03werner * r3961 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/smedia-glamo.patch: Jan 26 18:16:09 openmoko: adjust-glamo-intl-timings-back.patch Jan 26 18:16:09 openmoko: From: warmcat Jan 26 18:16:09 openmoko: smedia-glamo.patch: Jan 26 18:16:10 openmoko: - drivers/mfd/glamo/glamo-core.c (glamo_init_script): restored timing values to Jan 26 18:16:12 openmoko: avoid frame buffer bitrot Jan 26 18:24:00 openmoko: 03werner * r3962 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (gta01-core.patch gta02-core.patch): (log message trimmed) Jan 26 18:24:00 openmoko: fix-initdata-mismatch.patch Jan 26 18:24:00 openmoko: Fix linker warnings of this type: Jan 26 18:24:00 openmoko: WARNING: vmlinux.o(.data+0x3be4): Section mismatch: reference to .init.data: Jan 26 18:24:00 openmoko: (between 'glamo_spigpio_cfg' and 'gta02_nor_flash_data') Jan 26 18:24:04 openmoko: Signed-off-by: warmcat Jan 26 18:24:06 openmoko: gta01-core.patch: Jan 26 18:36:30 openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r3963 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/libgsmd/libgsmd.c: gsmd: remove handle packet msg type = 2 error (Erin Yueh) Jan 26 18:37:48 openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r3964 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/gsmd.c: gsmd: disable COLP to avoid cme error 512 (Sean Chiang) Jan 26 18:39:20 openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r3965 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (include/gsmd/usock.h src/gsmd/usock.c): gsmd: query network registration 2nd try (Erin Yueh) Jan 26 18:58:01 Would you like to reach adult materials ? Adult videos, photos and etc... ? If yes, you can be a free member of Exotics Forum ! http://exotics.heavenforum.com !!! Jan 26 18:59:12 spam is so subtle these days Jan 26 18:59:21 Indeed. Jan 26 19:05:39 openmoko: 03werner * r3966 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/s3c2410_touchscreen.patch: Jan 26 19:05:39 openmoko: s3c2410_touchscreen.patch: Jan 26 19:05:39 openmoko: - include/asm/arch-s3c2410/ts.h, arch/arm/plat-s3c24xx/devs.c Jan 26 19:05:39 openmoko: (set_s3c2410ts_info): can't be _init and exported at the same time, so we Jan 26 19:05:39 openmoko: remove __init Jan 26 19:24:58 how do I define a postinst script for a sub-package in .bb? Jan 26 19:28:49 hello everyone Jan 26 19:28:55 What's new? Jan 26 19:29:07 patiently awating freerunner, you? Jan 26 19:29:36 I am thinking about installing the latest uboot and rootfs, should I? Jan 26 19:29:38 Malvio: is that really new? :) Jan 26 19:29:46 haha i suppose not. Jan 26 19:30:00 Malvio: Yeah. The FreeRunner would be schweet. Jan 26 19:53:32 can I disable qemu from MokoMakefile process... I whant to build on target only Jan 26 19:56:19 blckdove: just make the image directly Jan 26 19:56:35 <_Krieger_> attention, bug caught. mkdosfs should not be hardcoded to /sbin/mkdosfs - in gentoo i have it in /usr/sbin/mkdosfs; Mokomakefile has a hardcode Jan 26 19:56:36 <_Krieger_> Makefile:27:MKDOSFS := /sbin/mkdosfs Jan 26 19:57:12 blckdove: "make" is "make all" which is "make openmoko-devel-image openmoko-devel-tools build-qemu openmoko-feed openmoko-toolchain" Jan 26 19:57:19 blckdove: you can run them separately Jan 26 19:58:03 i tried one of those but it still whanted to compile qemu.. let me try one more time Jan 26 19:58:07 _Krieger_: that variable is there precisely to fix the hardcoding I made Jan 26 19:58:40 _Krieger_: it's there so people can run "make MKDOSFS=/Applications/Things/bin/mkdosfs" or something like that Jan 26 19:59:09 _Krieger_: It originally was hardcoded directly in the rule; after all, everyone runs Debian ;-) Jan 26 19:59:39 cesarb: still tries to compile qemu Jan 26 19:59:49 I dont have gcc 3x installed so it fails Jan 26 19:59:59 gonna install gcc 3x and get it overwith Jan 26 20:00:27 blckdove: if it's bitbake that's trying to compile qemu, it's a completely separate qemu compilation from "make build-qemu", and one you can't avoid that easily Jan 26 20:00:46 oki Jan 26 20:01:04 qemu might come in handy later on tho.. so might be worth installing Jan 26 20:01:26 blckdove: it sure is annoying qemu can't be compiled with a modern gcc, but it does some strange things with the compiled code (extracting code snippets to later do some translation thingy IIRC) Jan 26 20:02:54 there are patches for gcc 4.1.x and 4.2.x support Jan 26 20:03:20 there's no definite solution yet, but it's in the works Jan 26 20:06:09 balrog-kun: good. Because gcc-3.x isn't going to last forever Jan 26 20:28:46 cesarb: why not? :) Jan 26 20:29:06 gcc 2.95 is still in wide use Jan 26 20:29:08 balrog-kun: bit rot Jan 26 20:29:23 heh Jan 26 20:29:24 bit rot happens when a tree is being modified Jan 26 20:29:40 balrog-kun: no, bit rot happens when the surrounding environment is being modified Jan 26 20:29:55 balrog-kun: for instance, qmail. qmail hasn't been updated in years, and thus it doesn't even compile anymore Jan 26 20:30:44 balrog-kun: you could say it "rotted" Jan 26 20:31:37 but it still compiles with older compilers i guess? Jan 26 20:31:54 and runs Jan 26 20:32:07 balrog-kun: nope. What made it stop working it a change in glibc (it follows the standard more closely, and declaring "int errno;" doesn't work anymore) Jan 26 20:32:22 s/working it/working was/ Jan 26 20:32:23 cesarb meant: balrog-kun: nope. What made it stop working was a change in glibc (it follows the standard more closely, and declaring "int errno;" doesn't work anymore) Jan 26 20:33:23 cesarb: well, i'd define bit rot differently, i dunno Jan 26 20:34:10 balrog-kun: http://www.jargon.net/jargonfile/b/bitrot.html Jan 26 20:37:05 well qemu did not compile even switching to gcc3.4 Jan 26 20:37:21 error: unable to find a register to spill in class `GENERAL_REGS' Jan 26 20:37:46 cesarb: you're right about bit rot Jan 26 20:37:53 * mwester doesn't bother with qemu; too much trouble for just a handful of locales. Jan 26 20:37:58 blckdove: strange. I have gcc-3.4 and only gcc-3.4 as the 3.x compiler installed (qemu detects the default compiler is a 4.x one, searchs for a 3.x one, and finds 3.4) Jan 26 20:38:43 blckdove: that's the same error you would get with gcc 4. make sure the makefile grabbed the gcc 3.x and that it's not gentoo's modified gcc 3 version on a 32 bits OS Jan 26 20:38:48 these don't work either Jan 26 20:39:21 balrog-kun: gentoo? that explains everything, gentoo's compiler setup always confuses qemu Jan 26 20:40:38 cesarb: well, configure knows about the gentoo versiona nd shoudl autodetect it, but they applied patches on it that use up additional registers on 32bits Jan 26 20:40:43 similarly to gcc 4 Jan 26 20:41:08 I was using gentoos [1] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.6 * Jan 26 20:41:35 blckdove: that's precisely the broken one i think Jan 26 20:41:56 damn Jan 26 20:42:01 the patch they apply is wrong even according to gcc developers Jan 26 20:42:33 oki Jan 26 20:43:47 oh dear Jan 26 20:44:11 gcc3.3 is masked by gentoo Jan 26 20:44:22 <_Krieger_> make qemu succeed, but freezes on a splash screen with 'Please wait'. I`m disturbed by results of strace, but i can`t figure what is lacking exactly. http://www.pastebin.ca/873711 Jan 26 20:45:41 * cesarb thinks he found out why the serial stops working at 12000 kHz Jan 26 20:45:58 * mwester is wondering if cesarb will tell us... ;) Jan 26 20:46:30 With all the other speeds I've tested, the deviation is around 2%; with that speed, the deviation is around 7%, which probably goes above the limits Jan 26 20:46:43 deviation on the baudrate, or some other clock? Jan 26 20:46:43 * cesarb tries to recall where he last saw the maximum allowed deviation Jan 26 20:47:05 mwester: my debug printk says "baud: 115200 calc: 107142" Jan 26 20:47:21 blckdove: strange, in my install 3.3.6 was the default 3.x version for some reason Jan 26 20:47:24 on amd64 though Jan 26 20:47:48 (115200-107142)/115200 gives me 0.069947916666666665 Jan 26 20:47:50 im not using 64 system Jan 26 20:47:58 which is for all pratical purposes 7% Jan 26 20:48:22 I seem to recall that there was a patch submitted (and rejected IIRC) that used various techniques for setting the various registers to derive the baud rates... so that might be fixable if I am remembering correctly. Jan 26 20:49:47 And yes, 7% can be a problem. Worst case would be a drift of 7% over 10 bits of data before a transition to syncronize; that's pretty darn close to the edge of that 10th bit. Jan 26 20:51:05 mwester: I only find one register to set... and it's based on the PCLK solely (unless you have an external clock source for it) Jan 26 20:51:21 mwester: I also failed to find the maximum % on this datasheet, so I saw it somewhere else Jan 26 20:52:28 cesarb: What's the error the other way (i.e. if the register value is set so the actual baud rate is higher, not lower)? Jan 26 20:53:16 mwester: no idea, and my printk doesn't print the register value (my mistake). I'd guess the error would be higher (I see some rounding-looking code where that value is calculated) Jan 26 20:54:24 * cesarb adds it to the printk and recompiles... It's qemu, it'll be fast ;-) Jan 26 20:56:36 Yeah, but sometimes the allowable error in real life might be greater in one direction than the other... just a thought really. Jan 26 20:56:55 . Jan 26 20:57:00 :) Jan 26 21:07:13 mwester: "baud: 115200 calc: 107142 quot: 6" Jan 26 21:07:28 "6" ouch. Jan 26 21:09:02 mwester: using 5 gives me even worse results Jan 26 21:09:13 (12000000/(5+1))/16 is 125000 Jan 26 21:09:27 Yeah, I was hoping it was some much larger number. Jan 26 21:10:16 and it looks like going down (for instance 10MHz) it gets even worse Jan 26 21:10:37 I think the GSM modem will autobaud, but that would mean we'd need to re-init the thing when the clock changes; disruptive Jan 26 21:10:58 mwester: we can also try using lower speeds from the beginning Jan 26 21:11:12 It needs to be within 2% ideally Jan 26 21:11:18 5% is 'ok' Jan 26 21:11:24 and 10% is guaranteed to fail Jan 26 21:11:25 SpeedEvil: hi Jan 26 21:11:30 hi! Jan 26 21:11:51 cesarb: is there a programmable prescaler? Jan 26 21:12:01 SpeedEvil: none I could see Jan 26 21:12:04 cesarb: pclk/512 or 1, for example Jan 26 21:12:19 SpeedEvil: it seems like a fixed 1:16 prescaler (which is why there's a 16 in the formula) Jan 26 21:13:54 * cesarb suddenly finds what he was looking for in the datasheet: 1.87% Jan 26 21:14:01 that's what it says should be the limit Jan 26 21:14:45 openmoko's qemu still have issue for compilations http://pastebin.com/m1461d53d Jan 26 21:14:51 oops hello Jan 26 21:14:59 Ah - ok Jan 26 21:15:04 UEXTclock Jan 26 21:15:17 1.87% is very conservative Jan 26 21:15:24 May have been what I was thinking of. Jan 26 21:16:23 UEXTclock is an external uart clock input - useless in this case Jan 26 21:16:33 !ombug 801 Jan 26 21:16:34 * * Bug 801, Status: RESOLVED (WONTFIX), Created: Unknown Jan 26 21:16:35 * * christoph.gysin(AT)gmail.com: qemu-native fails to build on gentoo/gcc-3.4.6 Jan 26 21:16:36 * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=801 Jan 26 21:16:46 GNUtoo ^^ Jan 26 21:17:01 balrog-kun, thanks Jan 26 21:17:23 what annoys me is that when I use 45000, PCLK is 11250 - LOWER than 12000's PCLK of 12000, and yet it works fine ("baud: 115200 calc:117187 quot: 5") Jan 26 21:18:09 GNUtoo: oops, actually that's not the bug i was thinking of (but is its duplicate), one moment Jan 26 21:18:23 It's 1.72% in that case! Jan 26 21:18:41 yeah - 117.18 Jan 26 21:18:51 GNUtoo: it's bug #1093 Jan 26 21:19:03 balrog-kun, ok thanks Jan 26 21:20:38 * cesarb will try editing the gsmd command line to make it use a lower speed (the classic value of 57600) so as to have more range, and see what happens in the real device Jan 26 21:20:40 Odd. Jan 26 21:21:04 What's more important: a couple extra kbytes of transfer speed, or gsmd working in SLOW mode? ;-) Jan 26 21:21:16 11250/16 / 6 should be ok Jan 26 21:22:15 SpeedEvil: well, as I said, 11250 (pclk for 44MHz) works fine, the problem is with 12000 (pclk for the first of the SLOW modes) Jan 26 21:22:31 first of the slow modes? Jan 26 21:22:35 There's more than one? Jan 26 21:22:45 Or do you mean winding down pclk further Jan 26 21:23:22 SpeedEvil: the first one on my frequency table ;-) Jan 26 21:23:53 SpeedEvil: there are several slow modes, that's SLOW/1, you also have /2, /4, /6, /8, /10, /12, and /14 Jan 26 21:24:00 Oh - right. Jan 26 21:24:06 down to 800Khz or so? Jan 26 21:24:15 SpeedEvil: I don't have /14 on my table (not a round number), and commented out the rest except for /1 (I'm not going that far yet) Jan 26 21:24:15 * SpeedEvil wonders if that saves any power at all. Jan 26 21:24:44 SpeedEvil: so I can go down to 1MHz if I uncomment everything Jan 26 21:24:54 SpeedEvil: probably does, since I'm disabling IDLE while on SLOW Jan 26 21:25:07 SpeedEvil: but is that a significant saving? I have no idea at all Jan 26 21:25:35 * cesarb just wants to get to SLOW due to the ridiculous jump in power saving the datasheet shows at that point Jan 26 21:25:45 yeah Jan 26 21:29:18 Actually, on reflection, the UART thingy probably isn;'t a prescaler so much as a sampling clock Jan 26 21:30:45 SpeedEvil: makes sense Jan 26 21:30:47 Most UARTs are require multiple samples per bit. Jan 26 21:31:50 * cesarb loves having vi on this phone Jan 26 21:32:12 The right - though more complex way'd have been to make it able to do 14/15/16/17/18 samples per bit, but... Jan 26 21:32:37 Random thought. Jan 26 21:32:51 Do we know that UARTClk is not connected to the 12Mhx clock? Jan 26 21:33:12 UEXTCLK Jan 26 21:33:41 SpeedEvil: wouldn't that be listed in the gpio.txt table if it were the case? I recall no such thing Jan 26 21:34:07 SpeedEvil: it would in fact need to use two pins, one to get out the clock from the osc, one to get it back in as the external clock... Jan 26 21:34:11 No - it's not a GPIO Jan 26 21:34:34 Oh - doesn't matter if it does anyway Jan 26 21:34:38 it's still 12Mhz Jan 26 21:42:48 great, now gsmd decides to misbehave Jan 26 21:43:00 how can I test things this way? Jan 26 21:43:30 cu! Jan 26 21:43:39 or awk Jan 26 21:43:49 SpeedEvil: cu _never_ worked for me on this device... Jan 26 21:44:10 SpeedEvil: and if I'm not using gsmd it's not a valid test ;-) Jan 26 21:53:10 * cesarb wonders whether this thing really autobauds, or if it autobauded to the syslog debug spam which is also 115200, or it's fixed to that speed Jan 26 21:53:31 I suspect it'll need a poweroff-poweron cycle Jan 26 21:53:42 SpeedEvil: already did it. twice. Jan 26 21:53:49 :/ Jan 26 21:53:52 * cesarb also wonders whether gllin will hit the same bogosity Jan 26 21:53:58 Probably Jan 26 21:54:10 With added closed-source goodness! Jan 26 21:54:14 SpeedEvil: for my next test, I'm gonna interrupt uboot and tell it to change the kernel command line so it uses another speed Jan 26 21:54:42 * cesarb things this won't help much, however, since uboot also spams the serial Jan 26 21:54:54 Has anyone ever made gsmd work with a different serial speed? Jan 26 22:00:29 doesn't work at all :( Jan 26 22:04:12 and now I, without booting, change gsmd to 115200 and it works Jan 26 22:04:18 It really doesn't seem to autobaud Jan 26 22:04:48 :/ Jan 26 22:04:56 Which seems to utterly crush our hopes of using SLOW mode in practice :( Jan 26 22:05:32 unless someone knows a secret command to enable autobauding in the modem Jan 26 22:05:39 depending on flow control Jan 26 22:05:54 if you could speed up on flow control from the modem Jan 26 22:06:16 SpeedEvil: how? flow control is a "please stop", not a "I want to transmit" Jan 26 22:06:53 This qemu gcc thing is pain in the ass... atleast in gentoo Jan 26 22:07:15 there are different sorts Jan 26 22:07:34 though yes, I think only rts/cts is on the GSM port Jan 26 22:07:39 so it won't do that Jan 26 22:09:55 SpeedEvil: oh well, at least we can use this code to get to 45MHz... not that much of a saving, but it should be worth something (probably not much more than you already gain via IDLE) Jan 26 22:10:28 At 45Mhz even idle should use lots less Jan 26 22:14:56 I can imagine at least three different places where the speed could be set: firmware, strap, or it just doesn't have another speed Jan 26 22:15:48 If it's firmware, there's always a VERY slight hope that OM can manage to somehow make available one which can switch between a couple of different speeds and save the setting Jan 26 22:16:21 or some wierd init sequence Jan 26 22:20:46 is the partition u-boot or just uboot Jan 26 22:22:53 it's "u-boot" Jan 26 22:23:17 thanks, been so long since i messed with it Jan 26 22:56:26 * cesarb does the calculations for 5000 (10000 with 1:1:2 or 1:2:2), still not good enough Jan 26 22:56:58 If at least we had a multiplier so we could clock pclk at twice fclk :D Jan 26 23:14:29 i did "ipkg upgrade" some minutes ago, now i get "error while loading shared librarie libdbus-1.so.3" Jan 26 23:14:37 is someone experiencing the same? ;) Jan 26 23:16:05 after this it gets stuck and X doesn't start Jan 26 23:54:14 Hello Jan 26 23:57:28 asterisk released on the moko! Jan 26 23:57:30 http://bkruse.com Jan 27 00:01:38 downloading now, thanks man and good work Jan 27 00:16:52 bkruse: interesting :-) Jan 27 00:28:59 installed asterisk no problem ;) Jan 27 00:33:30 hi Jan 27 00:33:32 Would you like to join a forum ??? Exotics Adult Forum ::: http://exotics.heavenforum.com !!! Free membership !!! Come and enjoy the forum !!! It's new !!! It's free to share adult materials !!! Come on ! Jan 27 00:33:35 Would you like to join a forum ??? Exotics Adult Forum ::: http://exotics.heavenforum.com !!! Free membership !!! Come and enjoy the forum !!! It's new !!! It's free to share adult materials !!! Come on ! Jan 27 00:33:38 Would you like to join a forum ??? Exotics Adult Forum ::: http://exotics.heavenforum.com !!! Free membership !!! Come and enjoy the forum !!! It's new !!! It's free to share adult materials !!! Come on ! Jan 27 00:33:41 Would you like to join a forum ??? Exotics Adult Forum ::: http://exotics.heavenforum.com !!! Free membership !!! 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Jan 27 00:43:49 People are going to get sick of stuff like that Jan 27 00:45:46 yay, security :) Jan 27 00:46:05 i already feel much more secure using samsung hardware now Jan 27 00:47:18 And it looks like the formerly easily downloadable 2410A (the one for GTA01) is also now behind that login barrier Jan 27 00:50:32 It's going to be a problem if at least the BSDL file isn't available (isn't it needed for using the debug board to... debug?) Jan 27 00:57:41 KrisAbsinthe: check it out Jan 27 00:57:49 KrisAbsinthe: tell me how it goes, have not had time to do much tesing Jan 27 00:57:51 testing* I want to port pidgin to moko also Jan 27 00:58:43 i want IRC but the damn OSKB is too small, need to buy a BT one Jan 27 00:59:01 KrisAbsinthe: Well I want to port some apps Jan 27 00:59:05 some I might do some irc client Jan 27 00:59:36 Sweet Jan 27 00:59:50 KrisAbsinthe: tell me when you get it, it should be pretty easy to installed Jan 27 01:00:08 oh i installed it already lol Jan 27 01:00:14 KrisAbsinthe: works? Jan 27 01:00:57 have not tested a call, but the install worked and the program launches without faulting Jan 27 01:01:08 KrisAbsinthe: horray! Jan 27 01:01:18 KrisAbsinthe: Did you have to install the speex lib also? Jan 27 01:01:42 i did that first so I dont know if it was required, ill uninstall real quick Jan 27 01:01:55 KrisAbsinthe: perfect! Jan 27 01:03:01 hopefully it will complain about the library not being installed Jan 27 01:03:35 KrisAbsinthe: then, if you could try a 'console dial' and if that worked in the the speaker as a real call, that would give me a good audio hook Jan 27 01:06:23 Did not need to link the termcap , Did not complain about speex Jan 27 01:06:29 yay! Jan 27 01:06:32 and it still starts up? Jan 27 01:06:36 did you ipkg remove speex ? Jan 27 01:06:37 yeah Jan 27 01:06:47 sure did Jan 27 01:06:53 herm, must not have removed the library really... Jan 27 01:07:40 must not have Jan 27 01:08:13 wait, after you did that did you run ldconfig and do you have a /usr/lib/libspeex* something? Jan 27 01:09:10 Didnt run ldconfig and i have no lib Jan 27 01:09:18 ahh, it did work Jan 27 01:09:26 i bet asterisk will die on startup (I believe) Jan 27 01:09:34 or complain about speex somehow Jan 27 01:09:38 let me check Jan 27 01:10:25 nope, i did killall asterisk then ran it , in that console now Jan 27 01:12:17 just reinstalled speex, now you want me to try a console dial Jan 27 01:19:12 yes, KrisAbsinthe, that would rock Jan 27 01:20:05 no problem, how do i do that lol Jan 27 01:20:43 KrisAbsinthe: um, edit extensions.conf add a context called blah at the bottom Jan 27 01:20:46 [blah] Jan 27 01:21:13 crap, brb, try console dial 1234@default Jan 27 01:21:14 brb Jan 27 01:43:58 Hello Jan 27 01:44:39 hello Jan 27 01:45:11 KrisAbsinthe: are you guys testing asterisk *on the neo*? Jan 27 01:45:29 yup Jan 27 01:45:40 THAT is frikking awesome Jan 27 01:45:53 not to sound like a teen from the 80s, but it is ;-) Jan 27 01:45:54 i wondered... how do i know what # of MHz the GSM net in my country runs at? Jan 27 01:46:01 they ipkg is available Jan 27 01:46:08 hit my wiki lol Jan 27 01:46:12 Sjano: If you're not in the US, it's almost certainly 900/1800 Jan 27 01:46:13 just a sec Jan 27 01:46:25 which are both supported by the neo GTA01 Jan 27 01:46:28 and FreeRunner Jan 27 01:46:36 US is 850/1900 Jan 27 01:46:51 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM_850_test there are lists of every county in the world Jan 27 01:47:06 but wurp2 is right Jan 27 01:47:31 Has anyone been testing ScaredyCat builds? Jan 27 01:47:35 wurp2: and yes asterisk is sweek on the neo lol Jan 27 01:47:39 The last 2 I tried had no sound :-( Jan 27 01:47:42 *sweet Jan 27 01:47:52 What kind of stuff are you trying with it? Jan 27 01:48:18 waiting for him to get back cause i dont know too much about it , do you? Jan 27 01:48:23 or planning Jan 27 01:48:32 want to make a test call Jan 27 01:48:51 I thought it was for doing stuff like being your own VOIP phone servic3 Jan 27 01:48:59 oh it is lol Jan 27 01:49:02 e.g. you could spoof caller ID Jan 27 01:49:12 not that I would do that ;-) Jan 27 01:49:44 And I had some thoughts about using it (on a server machine, though) to give internet even when you're someplace w/ no gprs Jan 27 01:49:45 me either, im old , i remember when you could easily confuse the CID Jan 27 01:49:58 write a modem for the neo, and one on your server box Jan 27 01:50:15 then get a voice only all you can eat mobile plan, and get data for free Jan 27 01:50:26 of course, that would be a lot of work, and I'm busy and lazy Jan 27 01:50:44 KrisAbsinthe: 37 yrs here Jan 27 01:50:52 so I'm old too, relatively Jan 27 01:51:20 exactly, my plate is full with making a Desktop Manager for Moko based devices Jan 27 01:51:27 Im 27 Jan 27 01:52:51 heh Jan 27 01:53:00 "old" Jan 27 01:54:16 burning non-scaredycat image to my neo :-/ Jan 27 01:55:06 how long battery lifetime does Neo1973 have? (i don't own one yet... just waiting for it to be finished since i don't know enough programming to really be any help).. and is it stable? can it send ad recive calls, sms and mms? Jan 27 01:56:07 5 hours or so, and functions come and go with releases Jan 27 01:56:42 if your not a developer id stay away for a couple months Jan 27 01:58:14 SMS and calls are decent with the Qtopia images Jan 27 02:00:01 what does qtopia use for gsm stack? must be different from openmoko Jan 27 02:00:18 proprietary Jan 27 02:01:07 KrisAbsinthe: yeah, i know... but still... i think it's an exciteing project.... hope it'll get end-user friendly soon :D Jan 27 02:01:49 Sjano: thats what everyone is working on. I cant wait to see the masses with this device lol Jan 27 02:08:33 KrisAbsinthe: no, it's not proprietary Jan 27 02:08:50 Qtopia uses it's own, qt based stack of gsm libs and programs Jan 27 02:08:59 it's all opensource, and it's pretty well done Jan 27 02:09:03 except it's in C++ Jan 27 02:09:11 quite modular and flexible Jan 27 02:09:36 plus, fully documented Jan 27 02:09:38 I see, i didnt know that it was open source without buying the kit Jan 27 02:09:56 Qtopia phone edition is entirely gpl v2 Jan 27 02:10:06 they freed it last autumnish Jan 27 02:10:13 thats great Jan 27 02:25:52 Does someone have their neo handy with a term open? Jan 27 02:25:57 Or sshed in? Jan 27 02:26:06 I think I am missing something from /dev/snd Jan 27 02:26:10 like my sound device Jan 27 02:27:30 im in Jan 27 02:27:56 wurp2|away: what modules you have loaded? Jan 27 02:28:30 nevermind apperently im froze let me reboot real quick Jan 27 02:28:48 http://pastebin.ca/874084 Jan 27 02:29:13 I see snd modules in there Jan 27 02:29:24 but I don't see anything in /dev/snd that looks useful Jan 27 02:30:09 I saw some comments from ScaredyCat about something like this yesterday Jan 27 02:30:20 but... I'm not running a ScaredyCat image now Jan 27 02:30:38 I updated my kernel, thinking maybe it was a mismatch, but to no avail Jan 27 02:30:44 i have 6 items , typing them in just a second Jan 27 02:31:04 KrisAbsinthe: thx Jan 27 02:31:29 controlC0 pcmC0D0c pcmC0D0p pcmCOD1c pcmC0D1p timer Jan 27 02:31:31 np Jan 27 02:31:38 Yeah, all I have is timer Jan 27 02:31:55 So I definitely have a problem there Jan 27 02:32:03 what build you running Jan 27 02:32:08 wurp2|away: i had same problem and fixed that this morning Jan 27 02:32:17 I am really not that interested in debugging it, if anyone can point me to a good recent kernel/jffs2 combo :-) Jan 27 02:32:22 blckdove: Aha! Jan 27 02:32:24 Great! Jan 27 02:32:33 u are missing snd_soc_core and others Jan 27 02:33:04 do ipkg list_installed | grep snd Jan 27 02:33:12 KrisAbsinthe: uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr3874-r13-neo1973.bin/ OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080124-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2, but it sounds as if blckdove is fixing me up :-) Jan 27 02:33:16 Neat! I just updated my phone and now all the text strings appear as square boxes. Jan 27 02:33:18 K, I did that earlier Jan 27 02:33:22 but I wasn't sure what I needed Jan 27 02:33:42 latest snapshot seems to miss few snd-modules Jan 27 02:33:48 bbl Jan 27 02:34:04 blckdove: http://pastebin.ca/874088 Jan 27 02:34:37 wait ill check my log Jan 27 02:35:11 snd_soc_core,snd_soc_s3c24xx,snd_soc_wm8753,snd_soc_s3c24xx_i2s Jan 27 02:35:21 maybe the latest snapshot is also missing a few fonts Jan 27 02:35:29 w/ kernel_ prepended to it? Jan 27 02:35:43 RayDar: I just updated to latest and don't have font probs Jan 27 02:36:50 blckdove: Are those in the standard repositories that come in the image? Jan 27 02:36:54 Or did you have to add some? Jan 27 02:37:16 'cause I don't see thos in ipkg list Jan 27 02:37:17 i have 2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr3874-r13 modules Jan 27 02:37:26 blckdove: thx Jan 27 02:37:57 KrisAbsinthe: back Jan 27 02:38:08 blckdove: Did you d/l those individually, or add to your /etc/ipkg for it? Jan 27 02:39:02 i added ipkg conf http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.11/ipk/neo1973/ Jan 27 02:39:34 I got my device yesturday so I am not sure if what I did was correct.. but it worked Jan 27 02:39:38 heh Jan 27 02:39:45 =D Jan 27 02:40:39 wurp2|away: btw I removed snd modules that where with old kernel Jan 27 02:40:55 wurp2|away: u are running 22.5 kernel right? Jan 27 02:41:06 yeah Jan 27 02:41:18 ok .. you should be fine with adding those modules Jan 27 02:41:18 OK, I will crunch on that Jan 27 02:41:24 thank you very much! Jan 27 02:41:32 going to spend time with family... Jan 27 02:43:08 KrisAbsinthe: did you try the console dial? Can someone install the asterisk package and try to console dial and see if you get audio? Jan 27 02:46:05 wurp2|away: after getting sound work, pls do phonecall and see if other end will get his voice echoed back. I suspect its alsa mixer/config/ctl restore problem that has appeared after update. I was working on it today but could not get it solved Jan 27 02:46:41 Im assuming its new problem because I cannot find any similar problem reports Jan 27 02:49:02 oh if I only could get qemu compiled with gentoo :( Jan 27 02:49:14 wurp2|away: Which files did you use? Jan 27 02:49:43 I think his gone Jan 27 02:49:57 what you need? Jan 27 02:51:27 http://pastebin.ca/874097 - snd modules needed Jan 27 02:51:37 blckdove: I just installed the latest snapshots from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D and my fonts seem to be messed up. I just get black squares instead of text. Jan 27 02:52:05 hmm... I dont have that problem Jan 27 02:52:26 It roundly sucks. Jan 27 02:52:53 where exactly is your fonts bad? Jan 27 02:53:03 in GUI? Jan 27 02:53:17 The boot font works, but once it is booted up into the GUI, the text strings are just black squares. Jan 27 02:53:41 Rakshasa: have you ever upgraded u-boot? Jan 27 02:53:46 rayd: Jan 27 02:54:09 SpeedEvil: Yeah. I just did today, along with the other two. Jan 27 02:54:35 did you upgrade u-boot last?2A Jan 27 02:54:38 I did not update u-boot btw (I have the one that came with the hw) Jan 27 02:54:39 Hmmm, not all the fonts are bad "Registering...." at the top of the screen is visible and the large clock is OK. Jan 27 02:54:42 ok Jan 27 02:55:08 The problem is with the initial u-boot and jffs Jan 27 02:55:44 I used http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/uboot-gta01bv4-latest.bin Jan 27 02:55:46 jffs has a problem where if you overwrite a large filesystem with a small filesystem, the result may not be the small filessytem, but a massively corrupt filesystem Jan 27 02:56:16 Combine this with the first u-boots lack of wiping a partition before you dfu-upgrade it, and you get problems Jan 27 02:56:26 so you need to nand erase rootfs first Jan 27 02:56:47 SpeedEvil: And then re-send all three? Jan 27 02:56:49 however, this may not be the problem. note, nand erase alone can brick your device Jan 27 02:57:06 see [[bootloader]] or [[flashing openmoko]] I think Jan 27 02:57:07 I have a debug card. Jan 27 02:57:20 Still, you don't want to have to use it. Jan 27 02:57:36 where is x11 conf file btw? Jan 27 02:57:57 mwester: I bet you are correct and I won't want to have to use it. Jan 27 02:58:24 I guess I will try the "nand erase rootfs" command as suggested by SpeedEvil Jan 27 02:58:33 It's one of Murphy's laws. If you have it, you won't need it. Jan 27 02:59:55 Which item on the power menu is the shutdown now? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jan 27 02:59:57 2008